The Ringer NFL Show - Week 8 Awards

Episode Date: November 1, 2021

We recap the Week 8 slate by giving out awards, including Winner of the Week, We’re Not Mad Just Disappointed, the D.B. Cooper Award for Biggest Disappearance, and more. Later we induct the next player into the 2021 Fantasy Burn Book and recap our day of prop bets. Email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody? I'm JJ John D. Stramski. And I'm Jason Gough, and if you haven't heard, the ringer has gone local. I'm bringing the fire. I'm bringing the rain from the Big Apple with my show, New York, New York. And I'm reping Shy Town with my new show The Full Go on All Things Chicago. We've got episodes three nights a week with all the reaction to the local teams and guests. Plus bonus episodes around all the big games and storylines.

So whether you're uptown, downtown, downtown, in the burbs, or a transplant. Make sure you follow New York, New York, and the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifitz. I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. Week 8 is done, except for Monday to football, which we're not going to talk about Giants Chiefs. He needs to care about that.

Week 8 is done, as far as I'm concerned. Let's just get to it. Week 8 winners. What if the Giants win? I'll be on Greenroom after the game. And if you want to hear my thoughts on the Giants win, you can find me there. There's only one winner from the week.

There's only one man. There's one man who rises above all else. The cream rises to the top. White Lotus, aka Mike White, baby. The next Brady is what people are already calling him. He's the current Brady. Mike White walked in to the Meadowlands

and beat up Joe Burrow and the Bengals, put up 28 fantasy points, the third quarterback on the day, won the game, put up 400 yards, three touchdowns, two picks, both of which were not his fault. They were both tip passes.

He looked amazing. was 37 for 45. Not only that, he has the second most yards by a quarterback in their first game ever behind Cam Newton. That's pretty hilarious.

On 82% completion percentage. DK., I have a very serious question for you. So obviously, so he's a fifth round pick from 2018. You know, Mike White has worked very hard to get to this point in his life. We've never heard of him,

but Mike White has been working for this moment his entire life. Do you think any of that had anything to do with this? or do you think he accomplished the 400 yards 100% solely because we bet against him for the under? We took the under on the passing yards. Who really could say?

It was funny because there's like all these tweets about he's like, this is like the one of the greatest rookie, not rookie, one of the greatest debuts for any quarterback of all time. And I'm like, of course we should have predicted that. Yeah, that was obvious. That was easy against the five and two bangles who had just been shutting down everybody whose defense looks so great. No, I mean, this was just like one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen, like, for real.

Craig, I think you said on the green room earlier, like, this is the most improbable performance ever we've ever. Like, literally when you stack it up against like some of the greatest debuts of all time, like this maybe is the most improbable performance of all time. It was bizarre. I don't think it's, you know, I don't think it's necessarily indicative of the fact that, like, Mike White is going to be the next great quarterback in the NFL. We can dig into why I think that.

But Craig, first of all, give me your spiel on it. What do you think? On why he's the greatest quarterback of all time? No, I'm saying he's not. I'm saying he's not. He's very, very close. The next Brady. All I got to say is sometimes these guys have performances where you look at the box

car and you're like, oh, all right, this random guy didn't play too bad. Kind of like Cooper Rush tonight. But when you actually watched Cooper Rush, he wasn't that good. Mike White, when you watched Mike White today, if aliens came down and knew what football was and watched this guy, didn't know any of the players' names, they'd be like, what was this guy, top five quarterback in the league? He looked fantastic against the team

that just beat the hell out of the Ravens and Lamar Jackson last week. Mike White looked really, really good. He was dialing it up, super accurate. I think Craig is an agenda here. Why? Which is? Mike White kind of looks like you.

Mike White could very easily be a horaceck. Oh, yeah. Okay, does he look like me, or is he just white, 6-2 with brown hair? I like that you just casually threw the height in there as if that would ever translate. 6-2 and a quarter. Yeah. How tall is Mike White? He's 6-4.

I think he just looks like your average white kid, which might be me. Yeah, so do you. Yeah, okay, that's fine. Why doesn't he look like you then? I'm probably just bigger. Yeah, Mike White, man. Yeah. I was asking you guys,

we talked about a little bit on the green room which everybody should listen to on Sundays. Yeah. Like, I want to know when the next late, late round quarterback

who actually blossoms and becomes a thing is, right? Like, obviously Brady was a six-round pick. Hyfitz pointed out that DAC was a fourth-round pick. That might be the most recent guy to go outside of like the first three rounds

and actually like make a statement. When is the next one going to come and is it our boy White Lotus here? White Lotus. So not to throw too much cold water on the Mike White White. excitement because it was definitely fun and like Craig you mentioned this earlier like he was viking on the sideline during like he's dancing and the fourth quarter is a close game

you know it's like he's kind of got a little bit of the burrow swag where he's like this guy's ice cold um it's kind of like space jim he took joe burrow swag he did i know seriously burrow through a pick but i wanted like a little context here to be to be honest um his average deficit target today was 4.2 yards. There's a lot of checkdowns. I know that he made some big hits. He did make some big throws. I'm not going to take that away from him.

And it was a lot of fun to watch. And we were joking about being excited about watching the Mike White show and like rushing for more than two yards, all that stuff last week. This was legitimately kind of a fun game to watch. But again, like I said, four. And this is from PFF. 4.2 yards per attempt on his average of the target. 63% of the yards he picked up today.

So more than half of those 400 yards. came after the catch. I saw that from Dwayne McFarron, PFF. And 21 targets. So 21 of his completions were to running backs. Sorry, of his passes were to running backs. Michael Carter had 14 targets. Ty Johnson had six targets.

This was a strangely dink and dunk offense that went prolific. It was like kind of a weird contrast because he was dinkin and dunking, but he was the first Jets quarterback to pass for 400. yards since like the year 2000. So I don't know what to make it. The Falcons in the Super Bowl by checking down to James White. I don't see your point here. I mean, look, he took what the defense was given him.

He was very efficient with it. So respect. Like, he did a good job. Taking with the defense, and giving them checking down to running backs. It sounds like a guy I've heard of before. Mike White's the greatest quarterback of his generation. Just ice cold and clutch.

D.K., let me ask you, if Mike White comes out on Thursday night and Spanx, whoever the hell they're playing, I forget. Spanx. Another 400 burger, three touchdowns. Does Robert Sala and LaFleur, do they think about it? Do they think about it starting him over Zach Wilson? Does it cross their mind? I was like livid when Hyphus was bringing this up on the green room.

And the more I think about it, I'm like, okay, fine. Look, if they want to try and win some games, the best thing that they could do is pretend that Zach Wilson still hurt. Keep him on the sideline. Keep him with the trainers. Basically, like, say, look, he's not ready to come back. Put him on IR, whatever. on ice for a little while. But I don't think, like, generally speaking,

they're going to just, like, switch to this guy and, like, trade the number two overall pick after, like, five games, or however many games he started. Like, that's just ridiculous. This is not, this is not. This is not... This is not... He lost his job to Babe Ruth.

Good Lord. This is the 26... He was drafted in 2018. He's bounced around the league. They just traded... They just traded for Flacco, you idiots. Mike White is not the next Tom Brady. He just had the best game for this franchise in, like,

20 years. Ever heard of Steve Young, D.K.? I mean, look, I can't argue with the Steve. The Steve Young is such a good Trump card because you can use Steve Young for anyone because Steve Young didn't do jack shit until he's like 30 years old. Now he's a Hall of Famer.

So what am I supposed to say to that? He's a quarter L. Patterson. Anyway, I don't know. Look, hey, I want the Jets fans to enjoy this. I think it, look, we should talk to Jets fans because if I'm a Jets fan, If I'm a Jets fan, I'm like, this sucks because Zach Wilson didn't do any of this shit like earlier in the year. I actually, my real explanation though is I'm not shocked that Mike, that Mike White was better than Zach Wilson.

I think that what's stunning is how much the extent to which that he was better than Zach Wilson. Like a guy who's been around the league, even if you've never heard of him. It's like he's mentally been practicing in the NFL for three years, which does matter. Like I'm not surprised that like a rookie like Zach Wilson is overwhelmed. and like BYU, it's not quite the same environment as like the SEC. I mean,

I'm not surprised, but it is in a weird way, Roger Sherman pointed this out, somehow still depressing for Jets fans, as you said, that Zach Wilson has looked so overwhelmed. And yet Mike White just comes in and is like,

oh, this is easy, just throw to the running backs. And it's like, damn. Was it that easy? Also, how does just checking down 20 times produce 400 yards?

That part still doesn't make sense to me. Mike White, you know, has been on the jet since 2019, so you could argue he is yet another player once freed from the yoke of Adam Gays to succeed. Wow. Oh, my God. Also, Kevin Clark made the point to that Cooper Rush

made the Cowboys four years ago because he beat Mike White out for the job or three years ago. Wow. Well, they were afraid because they knew he was going to beat out DAC. Yeah, that was their plan the whole time. Okay.

Anyway, no, I don't want to... I don't want to take anything away. Mike White's the big winner. Good job, Mike White. That was a hell of a deal. Well, you already did, but it's okay. I did poo-poo it a bit. You just want to take his job away.

Other than that, you don't want to take anything away from Mike White. Just the starting quarterback job. I'm not trying to take his job away. I'm just telling you, you're being ridiculous. Are you rooting for Mike White or not, D.K. It's a simple question. I'm very agnostic about it. Okay, DK rejects the fact that Mike White will be the greatest quarterback.

I have zero Mike White on my dynasty team, so I don't give a shit. Okay, how about this? Can we rank the 2018 quarterback? back's going forward. Is Mike White above Josh Rosen? I mean, he's got to be, right? Is he above Sam Donald?

That's where, that's the line right. D.K., right now you're starting your career. You're starting a team. Who do you want? Sam Donald and Mike White. You're starting a franchise right now. Holy shit. I really just object to this question on religious grounds.

This is the, this is the most bad faith question I've ever asked you at this podcast. You know what? I refuse to answer that. So let's move on. All right. Whatever. Okay.

Who else won the day? I mean, Mike White won the day. We can give Cooper Rush, too, since he just gave, you know, we got all the shots of his backup quarterbacks won the day. Trevor Simeon, unbelievable.

Yeah, also, Gino Smith had a pretty damn good day too, randomly. I think the key is that quarterbacks don't matter. We've been talking about running backs don't matter. The quarterbacks are irrelevant. Just play the backups. Yeah, honestly, you're not wrong. Amongst the top 10 quarterbacks in fantasy this week are

Davis Mills, Justin Fields, Mike White, Jimmy Garoppolo, Carson Wentz. Jesus. Yeah, grim stuff. I want to get losers. My winner. Hold on. Before we move on, we got to acknowledge another jet. Big day for the Jets, by the way.

The Jets literally are winners. That's wild. I'm actually legitimately excited about this one, and that was Michael Carter from the Jets. He looked awesome. He had gradually kind of taken over the backfield over the last few weeks, but this game was, I guess, like, his big breakout. he had 15 carry 77 yards a touchdown added nine catches on 14 targets for 95 yards scored 32 points in ppr he is the rb one after sunday is over um and i think so like generally speaking for this season

14 targets is really what stood out to me because the jets are going to likely be playing a lot of negative games scripts are going to be playing from behind which means the passing game work for the running backs are going to be more valuable in most cases than the early down stuff The fact that Carter was utilized so much as a pass catcher makes me really excited for what he can do in the second half of the season, especially when you got a guy like Mike White at quarterback. Mike White, since he has taken over, or like I guess over the last two games overall, the Jets have thrown 40% of their targets to running backs. So this is a like fertile ground for pass catching running back. And I'm just kind of excited. The fertile delta, yes.

So I'm excited about Carter. I think he also like passes the eye test. He looks really good. He's, he's, he's, like, got a spring in his step. He could bounce, bounce it, you know, after the catch and everything. So I don't know, I just like him. I think he did, he looks really good. And over the second half of the season, he's kind of got like that sneaky RB2 appeal to, like, be pretty consistent go forward.

Sneakly had 71 yards today receiving as well and looks really good. Yeah. Like another really kind of explosive backup. Benz, did you guys see Benzell X tweet today about? the Jets, they're two and O'N O'O against teams that made the playoffs last year and 0 and 5 versus the rest. Why do we do it? Why do we play fantasy?

Why do we bet on this shit? Nothing makes sense. I mean, I think it makes perfect sense. Mike White's just a really good quarterback. Rack your mind around at DK. You're out here like, ooh, you just checked it down and they got 400 yards. I mean, don't think about it. Look, he did make some good throws, all right?

I don't want people getting in my mentions. No, to be clear, Mike White probably still sucks. But that's not fun. Thank you. What's fun of it? about that. All right. Loser. Man.

There's so many to choose from. Us for playing fantasy football. That's number one. That's number one, as always. Deky, you want to go first? Yeah, I'll start. So I wanted to put Justin Fields as a winner, but I'm not quite ready to put him in the category where, like,

I'm excited about what he's going to do weekend and week out. So I'm saying Matt Nagy, Bears head coach, biggest loser of the week. And I'm not going to joke about COVID, but he missed the game in COVID protocols, but him not being at the game. And then Justin Fields had the best game by far as a pro.

Feels related. You know what I mean? I don't even know where to start with Justin Fields. Because when you watch him, so like there's been several games this week or this season where when you watch him, he looks completely lost. Like he just looks like,

like he's never played quarterback before, you know what I mean? And a lot of that is to do with the offensive line stinks. The play calling doesn't seem like very geared towards his particular skill set, which everyone knew before the season was like he likes to drop back and pass it deep. He likes to, like he's mobile. He's all that. He doesn't like, he's not a quick drop back passer. And this offense was like, here, get the ball out quickly.

Like you didn't ever do this in college. Do it now in the NFL with terrible receivers. Well, so there was all not terrible, you know, under, performing. How about that? So anyways, but then in other games, he's definitely flashed where like, you're like, oh my God, this guy's traits are elite, elite, elite, elite. Like, he's a really strong arm, really good accuracy. And when he takes off and runs, it's like, holy shit, this guy looks like Michael Vick out

there and it's like the speed. You know what I mean? So this is one of those games where I got really excited about what Fields could be down the stretch, you know, in his career because they finally started, it felt like like they were starting to use him more logically in like the scheme. He did end up, it, it felt like he was a little more willing and a little more decisive on when to run. Early on in the season, he was like trying not to run. I don't know if that was the directive or like that was him trying to like prove that he can be like a pocket pass or what. But in this game, he took off

and ran more. He had 10 rushes, 103 yards and a touchdown. And the touchdown was a broken play basically where he tried to run to the right and then he broke it back, went to the left, like broke a tackle or basically busted a big run to the left and scored a touchdown by annihilating a pursuit angle from a defender. That was easily the best play of his career to date. Yeah. So, I don't know. So he had 25 fantasy points.

Does this mean he's going to break out and have a great second half of the year? I'm not quite ready to go there yet because the Bears, generally speaking, just been a disaster. But, like, for the first time, I was like, yes, this is exactly what we pictured in the offseason when we were excited about drafting this guy in fantasy. because he's running, he's got that dynamic ability to change the way the defense has to defend you

when he's willing to use his legs. There's this whole argument, I know that I'm kind of granting a little bit, there's this whole argument where at some point you have to teach a quarterback to play in the pocket. And I think a lot of coaches will, are like very strong believers

that you have to be able to drop back in the pocket and throw in order to succeed in the NFL. And I think that's true, generally speaking, like over time. However, I see a strong value, and quarterbacks running, and especially guys like Fields who can really change the game

what they're running, because when you look at it from a psychological point of view, when you make these big plays, you get that confidence, it builds up if you get more rhythm in the game. You could see that with Fields in this game. He was picking up first downs with his legs.

He was extending plays. He had that touchdown. Starts feeling it. Starts getting more confident. Yeah, DK. What you're describing is momentum. Yeah, you're saying you believe in momentum. I believe in confidence.

I believe in he looked like scared in a couple, not scared, but like in a sense that like he just didn't know what to do. Like he almost looked lost. And then in this game, he's like feeling it. I believe in confidence. I'm not necessarily saying moment. I don't know. I'm actually not saying momentum because like I said, I don't know if this is going to like go to the next game. There's an argument whether momentum exists.

It's just people conflate the terms of momentum and confidence. I think the long. TK. spitting in the face of analytics. To wrap up this really long, rambling thing about Justin Fields. We didn't make it a fun of Matt Nagy in this conversation. That's true. I just think my point is he feels like, it looked like he was so much more confident and felt

more comfortable. And I think a big part of that is because he was willing to run. He was more decisive in running. And maybe, just maybe, that means he'll do it more in the future if, you know, the bears kind of let him do his thing. And so I thought overall it was a really good sign. I think it was not a good sign that the game that Matt Nagy missed was his best game by far. How funny it will be if Nagy comes back. A not bad defense. How funny

it will be if Nagy comes back and Justin Field sucks again? That's when you fire Matt Nagy. Yeah, probably. You got a way. I mean, yeah. Yeah, you can't do it. I mean, they lost. The bottom line, the Bears did lose. Quick sidebar here. Peter Schrager said this. I think on Good Morning Football, and I have 100% agree. I never even thought about this. If a coach has to miss a game like Matt Nagy does for COVID, why can't he just like call in or be in a booth. Oh my God. It's just simply the most out.

It's just literally a rule that it's about the technology that coaches are allowed to use. And like the technology they can use on the side and stuff is very regulated for Patriots cheating related reasons. And then they just haven't adjusted those rules for like. It's so ridiculous. Well, no, I get it. It's just they weren't thinking about like. Well, update the rules.

Yeah, no, they need to, they obviously need to change the rules. There's no reason that. It makes no sense that like Cliff Kingsbury has to be a. at home and can't communicate with his team. Cliff Kingsbury went on a walk and didn't watch the game when he was out. The only reason... It's not a bigger deal is that all...

Until today, all the teams who've had their coaches missed the game have won. Funnily, and Kevin's the fans game just a goddamn playoff game. And the Browners were up like 26 points in like 25 minutes. It's like you were there. They all certainly would have played worse. So anyway.

But yeah, no, they need to change that role. All right. My loser for today. is Carson Wentz. But if I'm being honest, I don't really think Carson Wentz is the loser. I think the losers is my belief in the human capacity for change.

Because watching Carson Wentz today really took a dent in my, my, my, my, my, just true optimism, my, like, core belief that human beings can change for the better. Because fantasy-wise, once was all right. He was like QB-11. In real life, I think this was the most Carson Wenz game that has ever happened.

Did you guys see this game live? I did. Well, this game was his career in a game. It was, right? It was. Like, I'm not, okay. So if you didn't get to see the game, so basically, fast forward to, like, the final two minutes or so, and it's, like, 24 to 24 tied.

The Colts of the ball is, like, 90 seconds left. So they're tied to 24. It's 90 seconds left, and the Colts are pinned, like, deep near their own end zone. And it's, like, first down. and they call a screen and the screen isn't there. And Wentz, for some reason, backs up into the end zone, instead of throwing the ball away, he backs up into the end zone, takes too long, and gets hit.

And he's like, oh, shit, I'm going to take a safety. So he switches hands with his left hand, throws the ball to another defender. First of all, it looked like arrested development when Joe throws the letter into the ocean. Yeah. The guy, the defender catcher takes three steps and walks into the end zone. I don't want to like be hyperbolic.

But I think that that is one tier below the butt fumble and like the worst football plays I've ever seen on the NFL level. It's not as funny as the butt fumble on its face, but like. So to speak. Oh yeah, sorry. No pun intended. The fact that he switched hands first is like the funniest thing. It's like, dude,

stop watching Patrick Mahomes, like highlights. Yeah, that's always been the problem. I think, again, like what your point was in the incapacity for people to change is, generally speaking,

throughout the season, I would say people are pretty, you know, happy with how once it's played, like encouraged. It feels like maybe there's a chance. This is going to be their new... He had one pick going into,

today. Yeah, he had one pick. He had 15 picks last year. He led the weekend picks last year with 12 games played. Technically had one pick. He did have a shovel pass that turned it out going down as a as a fumble that was intercepted. Like last week or two weeks ago or whatever, like that one was pretty.

Regardless, he was turning the ball over less. Pretty terrible too. But like at the end of the day, like people were pretty, I feel like people had been encouraged. Like they're kind of trying to massage out the tendencies that he had as a eagle where he's like trying to do too much. Like this is the thing. I even wrote this in, like, to link everything up,

I even wrote this in my Justin Fields scouting report last year, during the draft process, that Fields has a little bit of a Wensian propensity to try and make too much shit happen when people are draped on his shoulders. This is like what Wence has done, his entire freaking career, is he tries to do too much when pressure comes,

he thinks he can be a hero, and this is exactly what happened. He tried to switch hands and then throw it with his left, in and he threw it right to the defender. This is pretty much what happened when he got that shovel pass interception, whether it was last, I can't even, I can't remember when it happened. It was like last week at the week before. I think it was in the rain in the Niner game, wasn't it?

Yeah. And he tried to do a shovel pass after he was like had a guy draped on him and it got picked off. It was like the easiest, like stupidest play. But the amazing thing for this week was that he does the pick six. Then the next drive, someone comes down, gets the deep, deep, deep, the pass interference again by under throwing the deep ball, gets them to overtime with the touchdown, all 90s. seconds and then throws another pick in overtime. First quarterback to throw a pick in the final two minutes of game and overtime in 15 years.

And it was a horrific pick in overtime. It was a horrible, horrible pick. I can't picture it. Can you describe it to me? There was a player standing where he was trying to throw the ball. Correction, there were three. It was like ludicrous. It was kind of like the Brady pick where a second as soon as he threw it like a guy just stepped right in front and grabbed that.

Like, well, how often on this show, like so many of the conversations we have, have, especially entering a new season, or basically about this player has always been this way. And what we're really arguing about is, like, can this player change? And I am a sap. And I kind of genuinely believed, like, look, you know what? We all had a tough year. And like, whence, you know, his new spot, new spate, new me. And, like, comes in. And I'm just, I believe, man, I'm a believer. and I watched him today and a small, tangible, like measurable piece of me today died. Because I felt like it wasn't just watching once. It was like maybe I have more doubt now.

I have more doubt now. And that maybe we just, you know what? It's like I used to watch House as a kid and House's whole thing was like, people never changed. I'm like, I think he was right. What about Josh Allen? He's an alien or something. we don't really know what's going on with him.

Is he like he's the guy that... No, but that's the problem. It's Josh Allen. Great comedian spawns the 10,000 bad ones. That's Josh Allen. Josh Allen ruined it for everybody else because now everybody thinks that their shitty quarterback will be able to become a Josh Allen.

It's Josh Allen and Corderole Patterson. Those are the guys who can change. The rest of us can only help. The two teams that made big, very like franchise, like important franchise decisions in order to trade for a quarterback this offseason were the Colts and the Panthers.

No, the Panthers one is, I think the Panthers need to get some justice here. They gave up a second round pick. And like, what they really says to you is they basically were like, we're going to grade Donald as if he were in this draft. What did we say scouting-wise about Donald three years ago, right? That staff wasn't there. But regardless, if we graded Sam Darnold as a prospect,

would we take him ahead of Justin Fields or Mack Jones? and if you even have to think about it, just take the second rounder and take a different guy. I get how they came to that decision. The first rounder for Wentz, he's like... Is it official in the first rounder yet? If he plays 75% of the snaps.

Okay. Yeah, or something about the playoffs. Or the plus 70 in the playoffs. Yeah. But at this point, the playoffs are looking bad because, I mean, they basically lost the division today. I mean, I know I was dramatic about once before, but they are now three and a half games.

behind the Titans halfway through the season. I mean, after all, and honestly, like, to wrap to wrap up this conversation completely, like, I was like, the cults are kind of frisky, like, honestly. They almost won this game. They have some very good, like, up-and-coming players, Michael Pittman, Jonathan Taylor. You know, they're like a frisky team.

I think that could definitely be a hard out. But like, yeah, it's definitely tough now, losing to the Titans. If they were to won that game, different story. That's why I drafted you award. hit us, D.K. All right. AJ Brown.

I love it. I'm loving it. This is great. And actually, I was, this was a big roller coaster ride, too, because, like, he didn't have his first catch until four minutes left in the second quarter. I honestly was like, is he playing? Every time I looked up at the Titans game, I was like, where is it? He's not even out there.

Ended up having 11 catch. Or, sorry, 11 targets, 10 catches, 155 yards. 31.5 p.R points. That follows up a 27 point performance from last year, or from last week, sorry, when he had eight catches, 133 yards in a touchdown. He's just going nuclear. Like, I love everything that they do in this offense is predicated around like Derek Henry and then the play action game.

And A.J. Brown is like so perfect for that because he just catches these passes over the middle and then takes them down the field. But he's also like dominating on the outside. I don't know. A.J. Brown's just, he looks like one of the best receivers in the NFL and like his numbers are actually backing that up now. So it's lovely. I love it.

before the Julio Jones trade sending him from the Falcons of the Titans, there was just no other receivers in Tennessee. And Ian Hart, it's a pro football focus wrote a great fun piece that was basically like AJ Brown will probably be the number one receiver in fantasy this year. Yeah. And then Julio was traded and we were all like, oh, well, that's over.

And the irony is now Julio is just missing so much that it's actually just gone back to like Julio was never there. And they have nobody on this team except AJ Brown. And he's basically maybe the best receiver in fantasy again. I love it. All he had to do was get over the Chipotle. I'm actually pretty confident that he can keep this up. Like, how do you feel about, I'm not saying necessarily he's going to score 30 points

a game, but I think it's his health. No, I think he's the top five receiver. Every week he's healthy. He's the top five play. Yeah. I know that sounds crazy based on how he did like the first month of the season, but he wasn't great the first month of the season last year either. Yeah, I know.

He's kind of like Derek Henry used to be. Yeah. I, I repeat to Derek. No, he's still good. Okay. AJ Brown, my, that's why drafted you a word, Chris Godwin, man. Chris Godwin did the best game in the season. He was kind of up and down, Antonio Brown kind of stole his thunder.

Antonio Brown was out this week. Godwin, eight catches, 140 yards in a touchdown. Number three receiver on the week for Chris Godwin. There was a point mid-third quarter where Chris Godwin had the majority of Tampa Bay's yardage. So he just, it was just, I think people who had Chris Godman just really needed to see it. So it's good. Craig? It's Bobby Trees, who was a top 10 wide receiver.

this week. Two touchdowns today, one rushing and one receiving. He, this was a kind of an old school Bobby Trees game. You know, he got three rushes. It was all over the field. They were using him in a lot of different ways. This is what you wanted out of him. And, you know, now looking at his entire season, it doesn't look as bad as it kind of did three weeks ago. He's had double-digit fantasy points in the last, in each of the last five games. It's kind of rounding into form a bit. Woods and and Cup both had nine targets today, plus Woods had three rushes. Um, I think, you know, slow and steady wins the race here. Maybe Robert Woods is the tortoise, but I think by the end of the season, he will probably be a top 24 guy, which is what we expected.

Yeah. I think it's also... Did you say slow and steady wins the race when Cooper Cup has the best fantasy start to any season ever? Well, I mean, slow and steady wins the race in terms of your emotions when drafting Robert Woods. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I was going to say, it's all about comparison. It's all about pacing yourself mentally.

I mean, fantasy football is really like a test on your mental stability, your mental fortitude. It's how long you can be patient, you know? Don't trusting the analytics. Don't beat yourself up too much if Robert Woods and Cooper Cup are both sitting there and you did like I did too many times and you took Robert Woods over Cooper Cup. Is that what you're saying? Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. How often you guys like feel good about your team?

Percentage of your day. Dude, Craig and I were just bitching at each other before the show. I had a miserable day to day. Even when I have a great team, I'm just nervous all the time. Every time like my player runs, I'm like, don't get hurt, don't get hurt, don't get hurt. Is he limping?

It turns out of such a nervous, nervous Jewish mother, watching my players. How many hobbies do you have where most of the time you're not having fun? Is that us or is that fantasy football? Is that just most hobbies? I don't know. I feel like most hobbies, you have a good time

and it doesn't cost a lot of money. I don't think that's true, actually. I'm just thinking like most hobbies are expensive. Think about like mountain biking or skiing or snowboarding or. Yeah, extreme sports are pricey. Anything it takes like, do you have to travel and go do this? Like you have to drive to get there. I don't know if people like to read.

They like to knit. They like to cook. Like most of the time you're just happy. Yeah. You know, I like to read. You're in a book club. And then you're like, oh, shit, I didn't read the book. Like gardening.

Oh, now your fingers hurt. Well, now your back's going to. hurt. He's pulled landscaping duty. Just like thinking about like snowboarding back of the day. I'm like half the time it's like completely white out conditions. You can't see shit. You're like freezing your ass off. Are you a snowboarder? Yeah, I used to be. Ooh. I don't do any more because my knees hurt too much. I'm getting old. Wow. Dickag. I kind of want to hit them out with you. Actually, there's many reasons why I don't

do it anymore, including the fact that my snowboard and all my gear got stolen and I just didn't want to buy new stuff. How to get stolen? I had it in a locked garage and someone stole it for my garage. I was hoping for a better story. Are you like a whiskey guy on the mountain? Like a little swig of fireball up there? Yeah, you got to get warmed up. There you go.

Yeah. I'm a snowboarder, like Mount Baker, and near where I live, it's like constantly snowing and cold and like wet, like it's a wet snow. So it's not like beautiful sunny day where like all your endorphins are gone. It's a dry heat. It's a wet snow. I got to eat some chili and do a shot here, get warm, freezing my ass off. I almost died skiing and I gave up.

Anyway, I don't know how we got on this. I mean, look, I love snowboarding, but I just can't do it anymore. It's too expensive. I guess we'll talk about football. I kind of could just talk about this forever. But anyway, Dad Award, while we're talking with DK. Speaking of Dad's. The dad, we're not mad.

We're just disappointed. Listen, Devante Smith, I'm not mad, especially at you. I'm just disappointed in the production. the underlying numbers that you've been putting up all year. They've been great. Coming into this game, you had to run a route, and this is according to PFF,

on 94% of your team's dropbacks. You had a 24% target rate. That's exactly what you want from like a wide receiver 2, wide receiver 1 type player. Unfortunately, my God, this Eagle's passing game. It's just rough.

It's just rough to watch. Hasn't translated to big points. You were ranked 37th in PPR coming into this game, and then you had one catch today for 15 yards. In a 44 to 6 below, if I had told you before the game, you guys, that the Eagles had won 44 to 6, wouldn't you have guessed, like, you know, Devante Smith, the number one receiver on the team had had more than one catch? Yeah, I would. Thank you. That didn't happen.

He had one catch. Jalen Hertz had nine completions. Nine. In a 44 to 6 win, he had nine completions. The irony is it's like that. I was going to say, is that why? I don't say they didn't need it. I'm just saying this pisses me off.

Dude, Eagles fans weren't so mad that the Eagles were not running the ball that three weeks ago, they literally gave a fake standing ovation when they ran the ball. And then three weeks later were like, dude, all they did was run. Hurts his nine completions. It's like they just swung all the way. But they didn't need to run, though. I know. I know.

I recognize that. Actually, I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. Yeah, we're just, yeah. They ran the ball 46 times today. 46 times. Ridiculous. Three different receivers, or sorry, three different running backs had double-digit carries in this game.

Anyways, you know, I guess you could have. Did you guys know Jordan Howard was still in the NFL? No. Didn't they just claim him on waivers or something? Like, how did he even end up on this team? I can't remember. Or was he coming off the IR? I think he was in the crowd.

and they just like I don't even know his origin story on the Eagles. All right, Craig, who you're mad at? You're not mad. You're just disappointed. I'm not mad at Chase Claypool. I'm not mad at him. I'm disappointed in him.

I'm disappointed in the Steelers' usage of him. He's like a Formula One car being driven by my grandfather. And it's a bummer. It's just a little disappointing. He's been pretty, pretty, grandfather catching strays right now. It's just mean. He's, he's underwhelming this year.

He's the wide receiver 32. It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's not what you expected. He has one touchdown this year. He's just the odd man out in this offense that dinks and dunks, and that's not his game. He is a race car,

and they just refuse to go over 20 miles an hour with him. He's catching like five yard outs. It's just, it's not what it's supposed to be. He's like one of those, uh, like off-road Baja trucks that can do everything and then they're just like driving

in the slow lane like down like down Main Street. You know what he is? He's a, he's a Lamborghini at Peach City, Georgia where Mike's at right now where that's just a golf cart community

and that's where he's changed Claypool is right now. They made him into a golf cart. No. This is brutal. I was so excited about what Claypool would be able to do this year. I definitely came into the season with I guess like your,

my eyes, open about the idea that like this offense is just not going to be vertical it's not going to be a vertical offense but i just kind of thought they would get him involved in other ways enough that it would like be okay because you remember last year he was scoring touchdowns on sweeps and things like that they're getting immutalized in that way but that's really just gone to naji now you know what i mean yeah um so yeah it's definitely it's been definitely disappointing yeah i'm very curious where his career is going to go post rothusberger because it's going to be you know fast fascinating. Deonté is like perfect with Rothsburger. Claypool is not. However, I do think

Deonté is talented enough and it has a broad enough skill set to thrive with any quarterback probably. But yeah, the next quarterback for the Steelers is going to be important because both of these guys are super talented. I know I said Carson Wentz had one of the worst throws I've ever seen today. I also have to say like Ben and Rothesberger, whence it was like the dumb play. And like he was under duress. It was like he did something bad. It was like he did something bad and made it worse and then panicked and actually made one of the worst things that we've ever seen. Ben, it was different.

In a clean pocket, Ben Rathesberger, I know sometimes you just don't see a player that's standing right there. There were two guys just waiting for him to throw the ball and he tried to split the two like a bowling ball.

I tell you, Tony Romo, it was like, I have no idea what Ben just did right there. I had no idea why he made that throw. Frash players. Like players don't like to make fun of other players. And Roma was like, Roma was speechless. He was doing the sounds.

He's like, I can't, I can't figure out why he did that. It reminded me last year. Yeah. I don't know, Jim. It reminded me last year

when the Steelers lost to the Bengals on Monday night football and my grandmother texted me, I think Ben Rothesberger has an astigmatism. Yeah. Oh,

he's got more than that. That's, that's the, the only explanation I could have is his eyes don't work anymore. And maybe he's that old. What the Steelers do

at quarterback? next year, I think, is one of the most interesting Oskies and storylines. It'll define the next five years for the team. We actually didn't talk about we had so much to talk about with the Seahawks Steelers game from, was that a week ago or four? Time has just died.

Last week, I think. Was that one? No, it was several weeks ago. Because last week was the rain, the bomb cyclone. Well, the Steelers Seahawks was its own kind of bomb cyclone. Anyway, what we talked about, I can't remember we talked about this other pot or not, but that I wanted to know

what it was like. As an outsider, now that I see it, I wanted to know what it was like between this one and the Giants holding on to Eli Manning for too long and the Steelers with this team. Because when I was with, you know, I'm a Giants fan and I was like, is this what it looked like to everyone else. And I, a lot of Steelers fans on Twitter and emailed us and basically were like, the difference is like, this Steelers team is really, really good except for Ben Rothesberger. Like, Eli Manning, it was sad, but like, who cared? The Giants sucked. The Steelers team could win the fucking Super Bowl with like 12 other quarterbacks. Yeah, the fact that we're still like going to maybe be nine and eight and squeeze into the playoffs is even worse, you know? It's crazy. How good, like it's almost in a weird way, even though I feel like we talk about this every week, it's somehow not disgust enough. The Steelers defense is like legit probably the best one in the NFL. Also like everything is good. Everything about their team is honestly above average.

It's wild. I cannot believe how bad he is. Is the Lion playing one? Yeah, it's been better. I mean, it's not great, but it's been better. Yeah. And he's a catastrophe. The whole point of Ben is to make good decisions.

Like, that's the point of an old quarterback. And he's incapable. All right, any, we don't have to talk about this. That's the whole point of an old quarterback. Yeah, you're wise. He jobs to be smart. Okay. I have, I'm not mad at Dak Prescott.

That would be ridiculous. He's hurt. He's a calf injury. Like, I'm not mad. You can't play. You have to do his best for, long term of health. I am disappointed about when we learned. Like the timeline, I'm disappointed at the communication involves with, not, that's the whole team. You know, I'm not mad at that,

but, you know, Mike, Doc, you know, he's in the walking booth. They're like, don't worry, don't worry. Craig, Dr. Holbeck over here is like, oh, walking boots actually good. Fucking food's actually good. Frike. Matt McGrath. I forgot about that. I was corroborated, so people agree with that. Mike McCarthy says at like Thursday, and they're like, is that going to play? Mike McCarthy's like, well, you know, he's got to cross the threshold.

Like it's stranger things going through a portal or something. Like, what the hell does that mean? And then basically like, you know, that's going to be a game time decision. Okay. I feel like Cooper Rush was going to play the whole goddamn time. And so all these people, son in the football, so all these people with the Marikou Cooper and CD Lamb and Dalton Shultz. And if you needed Dak to do anything for you and you had Cooper Rush, CD,

Craig, were you one of those? That's me. I got screwed by this game because of Dak. Because of Dak. By the way, so Dak has a calf injury. Before the game, he's doing very physically demanding, like, hardcore calf lift jumps. Why is he doing that? Because that would prove it's healed.

It's like running around in those jumps. You know the one, like, do you remember? the jump shoes that he's done like the platform he's doing those like knee high jobs i'm not sure you don't sound disappointed you sound mad well this isn't my well if this were a different category called i'm not disappointed i'm pissed i would have had it back you should have that as a side bar i'm not disappointed i'm fucking mad he's doing like these knee high like root jump workouts and he's like balancing on his calves flexing them uh i mean at the end of the day though no they made the right decision. I'm just saying it really screwed you.

Dalton Schultz had 3.1 points in PPR. Like that one hurt. But Zek had like nine points. Zek had 11 in PPR. CD had 17. I don't do PPR. Okay, well, whatever. I'm saying they're not screw it.

Isn't it funny though, half PPR versus PPR the mental difference of like nine versus like 10 and a half points? Right. Like 11 and a half PPR is like six. It's like that's a shit game. We need to figure out the inflation. I'm just mad because if, if Dax. play, this game would have been like 40 to 30. And they did all right.

He robbed us. He robbed us of a fun game. Mori Cooper ended up, I mean, that was great at the end. And Cedric Wilson had the long touch. Anyway, I'm just saying it was, it was a lot of stress. That's all. A lot of stress. New award this week. We got the D.B. Cooper Award for the biggest disappearance. We like to think about the players in this category as just taking their briefcase, mid-flight, and jumping off the plane, just being like, and I'm out. Yeah. I'm I'm done flirting with this waitress. No,

stewardess. I'm out. I'm out. I'm going to leave. I'm going to jump out of the back of the plane. DB Cooper story, very fascinating, by the way.

We should talk about that at some point in the off season. What's that? No, the DB Cooper story is fascinating. Not my DB Cooper story. I never met him. I never met the guy.

Oh. Okay. What are you about to say? I did like a, I did like one of those go down the rabbit hole deep dives on the DB Cooper story one time.

I did too. A couple years ago. It's like so fascinating. freaking crazy. It's one of those that he probably died, but if he didn't, whoa. They found, they found like his clothes

or part of his briefcase or something and his body wasn't there. They found some of his money in like in this riverbed or something like that indicating that some of it had gotten lost. Anyway, I think there was also a story about some woman said her husband

on his deathbed told her that he was D.B. Cooper or something like that. Anyway, I could be completely. We'll talk to a podcast about this next. Internet, internet deep dive someday. Anyways, so this is the DB Cooper Stapes per next gen stats.

We'll get that chance. The DB Cooper Award for biggest disappearance. It goes to two guys for me this week. I got two here. Noah Fant. Two catches for eight yards. More like Noah where?

Oh. Nailed it. And then the other one, which I want to give a sorry to the listeners for recommending you pick him up and play him and Kenny Gainwell for the Eagles who got it wasn't necessarily

like he was D.B. Cooper like the team D.B. Coopered him. They just get like they basically said fuck this guy. You imagine if I told you they would have 46 carries and they wouldn't give Kenny Gainwell a carry. So he had he had no he had 12 carries. He ended up having 13

carries for 27 yards. 12 out of those 13 carries were in the second half. He was, they barely even played him. in the first half of the game, it was all Boston Scott, and Jordan Howard, is that the name? Jordan Howard?

I'm completely, yeah, Jordan Howard. It's a really easy name. It was like, when I said it, I was like, that doesn't sound right. Anyway, yeah, he was basically not utilized whatsoever.

We had the thought that maybe it wouldn't be like the best game for Kenny Gamewell because they're playing from a positive script. They're leading. They're going to run the ball a lot. That might be part of the deal here. However, it feels more likely

that he's in the doghouse for something, right? He just, they didn't even barely use him at all in this game. And now, and this was after being somewhat phased out, uh, over the last few weeks as they kind of like leaned on Sanders more. So like there's something to this. There's something going on here. Well, Boston Scott played pretty well. All right.

He also had, what do you have? 60 yards and two touchdowns. Here's the interesting thing. So the knee jerk reaction here is to say, wow, great game from the Eagles running backs who have been notoriously fickle. And we loves Miles Sanders as a by low. obviously he got hurt, big opportunity here, but like this can't happen again.

The Lions have like one of the worst run defenses in football. But next week, the Eagles play the Chargers who have like the other worst run defense in football. So this actually really matters for streaming and for starting. Like it's actually a really big deal. We'll talk about that more on waivers. But I mean, it's oddly,

it's one of those very not replicable games that is oddly still replicable next week. Maybe not 46 carries, but it's still very important. Yeah. I just thought, So I thought I had the inkling that Boston Scott was going to be the early down guy basically essentially replacing Sanders. But I thought that Kenny Gainwell is going to have a much bigger role. And I certainly didn't think Jordan Howard was going to be playing over this guy in this game or in general.

Just because, like, Kenny Gainwell, they hadn't even played Scott at all before Sanders got hurt. Like he had like nothing. It was all Gainwell. So I don't know. It's just bizarre. I guess they're worse. some signs over the last few weeks that potentially he could be sort of phased out of the ground game but man this was disappointing disappearance he did end up getting 13 carries and turned it

into 27 yards in the second half so it was almost complete waste um i definitely feel people's pain because i started him in a league or two correct who's your dupy kirk who's your dupac mike williams it sucks that we're here but we are uh he he's had back-to-back duds mike williams was averaging 90 yards a game for the first five games of the season in the last two games of the season. The most recent two, he's been averaging 24. He said two catches today, two catches in his last game. He's just not being used.

I mean, the targets are not even close to where they were. He's had five targets in each of the last two games. Before that, he was averaging like 11. This is more of like, honestly, the entire Chargers team said peace and jumped out to play. The charge, yeah. The charge really did you. They took their brief guess of money.

We're going to roll play here. I'm actually going to say don't freak out about Michael Williams quite yet because I think the Patriots just looked at this offense and were like, if the Patriots take away the bad, the thing they do well, the Mike Williams deep balls were the obvious thing to kind of be like, no, I'm not going to let you do that. Yeah, I mean, they let up a deep ball to Keenan. Yeah, but yeah. I saw this from my buddy, Zach Cox, who covers the Patriots. Justin Herbert has now faced the Patriots twice. In those games, he's posted his worst and second worst pass rating of his career and the worst and

second worst completion percentage of his career. Two of his four career multi-interception games have come against New England. That quarterback league baby. Belichick's got his number. I tried to tell you. No one want to listen. What does Davis Mills do that Bill Belichick can't figure out? You know what?

He's a one of one. Him, Mike White. That game will forever go down. It's like one of the weirdest shit. The Mike White game and the Davis Mills game. What is going on with this season? If Mac Jones didn't pull that game out of his ass and they didn't come back and win, that would be such a bigger deal that Davis Mills shredded that defense.

We're going to have to, another follow-up to the... We'll never top, like, the weirdest shit that happened in the 2020 season. That obviously will just forever be number one, but we're going to have to do the weirdest things that happen in 2021. We're going to have to go through.

Because there's a lot already. There's a long list. All right, the Derek Henry Award for the player you wish you had in fantasy. Yes. Hi, Fitz, you go first. I'm just going to... Borderline...

We almost need to rename this to the Cooper Cup Award. I just... There's a lot of stats. Last week, he had the best... start to a fantasy season, Frino, any receiver ever. This year, this week I just want to say

he has more points this season than he did last season, like all of last season. The whole last season, he's already over surpassed. He's already scored 10 touchdowns this season, which is ridiculous. Yeah, it's like we're running out of things to say

about Cooper Cup at this point. Everything is easy for him and for this passing offense. It does kind of feel like we've overlooked the fact that Matt Stafford is like, absolutely ridiculously shredding up defenses every week. So maybe that's like what we talk about here. But like Cooper Cup,

I wish I had him in more fantasy team. So hot right now. Cooper Cup. So hot right now. So good. And it doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like this is going away. I don't know if he's going to score 20 touchdowns this season,

but like everything is so easy. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, it's really the Rams and the McVey offense. Because I don't think Cooper Cup is like physically like a top five receiver in the league. But it's. No, but he's not a scrappy white receiver just doing this with like pure grit.

No, no, he's really good. But he's like wide the fuck open on most catches. It's like Cooper Cups, a really good receiver, but all, yeah, it's just, it's, it's, apparently breakfast with Stafford just does wonders. Bobby Tree is just isn't getting breakfast and Stafford, I guess. Maybe that's the problem. Dude, get up early and eat breakfast. Start Zooming with Stafford.

Zoom with Stafford. See, I told you Fields and A-Rod would do the Zoom. All right. Great game today. All right. So, yeah, my guy. in this category, the Derek Henry Award for player you wish you had in fantasy or wish you had

more of is Michael Pittman. Yeah, you have a portfolio. Yeah, you know. Michael Pittman is a guy that we haven't really talked about a ton on this show. I mean, Glansburg. He was in. Yeah, he is legitimately turning into a star. Like, before our eyes this season, I feel like.

He's the type of player who, if he continues on this trend, he might end up being like a top 50 pick next year. Is that even like too high? Could he go higher than that? Or too low, I should say? Could you go like in a top 30? It does. Yeah, the quarterback play.

Very important. But yeah, you're not, yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess you could make the argument that like he fits well with Wentz because Wentz is willing to throw balls up into traffic. It's a good point. Wentz doesn't care. Yeah, maybe that's like a big deal. But you can't deny.

Like, he looks really good out there. He's mossing dudes on like one time or two times a game at this point. Ten catches, 86 yards. two touchdowns, 30 points in PPR. And this is off a 105 yard in a touchdown game last week. He's also been like quietly really good like consistently. Week two, eight catches 123 yards. Week three, six sketches 68 yards.

Week five, six sketches 89 yards and a touchdown. He is developing into a like wide receiver one, like an alpha. And it's just fun to see because, you know, he was so cheap. You could, you caught his ADP before the season was 102. You could have got him in like the 10th, 11th round. Yeah. So it's hard to find guys like that and that late in the draft. And so, like, he's just been, you know, really, really fun to watch.

Brandon Cook's award for player you don't want to acknowledge is actually good in fantasy. I got one. This is me holding on to my takes and my hopes that, like, Leviska-Schanalt was going to be a thing this year, which just doesn't seem to be a thing. Jamar Agnew for the Jaguars is good at fantasy. I think it's fair to say, like, he's the type of guy who's going to be. like consistently utilized in this offense. I'm not saying he's like the greatest player in the world. He wears number 39, I think.

It's just bizarre. It looks like he's out there playing DB and he catches. I keep thinking he's like intercepting a pass when he gets it. Oh, yeah, because he returned the touchdown 109 yards and I thought he was a cornerback. Because it was like, well, what's funny is. What receiver wears 39? He went to the university of San Diego and he played cornerback and returned kicks. That was what he did in college.

Yeah. He's a receiver. It's actually a cool story. He basically, I heard this on Twitter, so I don't know exactly what the story was, but he basically taught himself how to play receiver during the pandemic. Dude, shame. He's like watching videos on how. He's like Googling how to be a receiver, you know?

This is like what I do with my house. I'm like, how do you put tile in the kitchen? This is what TK was saying where like people have hobbies other than fantasy football. How do I become? How do you play receiver? Other football. But anyways, so the production is certainly there, and they certainly seem to be wanting to utilize him a lot in this offense.

I saw Urban Meyer said he's the best separator on their team right now. Good God. Can we just take a brief pause to acknowledge the fact that the best player on the Jaguars got better by not being coached? YouTube. YouTube was better for the coaching of the Jagu. Than Urban Meyer? YouTube is greater than Urban Meyer. Today?

12 targets, six catches 38 yards on the touchdown. In week six, because they had to buy week seven, week six, five catches 78 yards, week five, six catches 41 yards. He's getting targets. He's doing enough with it. I'm not saying he's going to be like a wide receiver two or anything, but he's a flex option that seems to be consistently a big target for Trevor

Lawrence in this offense. They're always going to be playing with a negative game script or almost always. Yeah, I really wanted Chanel to be a thing. It doesn't look like he's going to be a thing. at least this year. Jamal Agnew is what I wanted Chanel to be. Don't make fetch a thing, D.K.

Agnew is also one of the three guys who has the record for the longest touchdown ever, 109-year-t touchdown. Trivic, can you name the other ones? I know one of them and I don't know the other. It's Antonio Cromartreux and Corderle Patterson. Patterson, yeah.

Of course. Everything I guess is one should be a bit. Patterson's everything I don't know is in Patterson. All right, my guy I don't want to admit as good as Michael Carter, which we already discussed. D.K. No, you just spoke. It's late. Sorry. Craig.

who's your guy you don't want to go. It's just good. Sedger Quilston on the Cowboys. I refuse. I made so much fun of him in week one when he was like, he's the number one on the Cowboys. And I was like the, the,

the chutzpah it takes to, like, I'll be the number, I'll choose number one for the Dallas Cowboys, even on the floor receiver. I'll never move. This is the, I'll never admit,

of Jamal Agnew, who is 39. He's like, I'm still going to just keep my DB number. I'm number one. Now, I'll never surrender on this hill. 39's not even a good DB number.

It's just, yeah, Mika Fitzpatrick. That's kind of cool. Can we rank numbers? That's funny. That's our Wednesday show. We got that figured out. You got power hour figuring out.

Do you know what? Email us. Oh, wait, email us. Email us. Can you imagine trying to do two minutes on a number? Like,

all right. The number, the fourth best number is 21. It's like round. It's got some, bigger fantasy football at gmail. It's got some curves on it. That number does.

Email you. email your arguments for the best numbers. Color way. We have to figure out like the position though because there's, I think it's receiver, right? That's what you got to be. We'll figure out what we're going to work. Quarterback, we want a quarterback that are receiver numbers. Probably receiver. I think receiver.

Like, yeah. It's the sexiest. No one grew up being like, I'm going to be a right guard. Well, kids have a certain size did. Anyway. Weird, weird flex, but okay. I did mention this before, but Jordan Howard coming out of nowhere, two touchdowns, 57 yards, annoying the shit out of all Kenneth Gainwell managers. Yeah, good job, Jordan Howard. 0.1% of people started Jordan Howard today.

That's the 0.1% that controls 80% of the global wealth. Those are the people who are on the Jordan Howard. Tech billionaires. They know, because apparently they can see the future and they start Jordan Howard. Started him. Exactly. All right. Quick aside, I want to briefly rank

some of the good Halloween costumes. Did you see Aaron Rogers' Instagram that he was John Wick? Honestly, it was really good. It was unbelievable. Check out his Instagram. There's two different posts. One is just the dog, and it's amazing.

Do you think he grew his hair out specifically for Halloween? Not 100%, but I'm like 95%. I think that's actually why he grew the hair out. I think he was growing it out because he was kind of in that mindset and then like September rolled around and someone's like, yo, you should just keep that for Halloween

and he was like, ooh. No, I really actually like this whole time, this whole Packers like thing that Aaron Rogers has done for like the last year and like he's going to get traded or they're going to give him a new contract, all this stuff.

I think he watched John Wick parablellum one night and was like, that's my vibe this year. Like I'm going to fucking kill everyone. I'm going to destroy everybody. Prepare for war. It was. good. All right, number two, though. I'm thinking I'm back. I'm liking Miles Garrett,

the grim reaper coat with all the names of the quarterbacks he sacked. I got, I got to say he's playing it a little heavy. The problem is you lost the game. You have to win. If you're going to show up with literally the name of everyone you've sacked, you have to win the game. I just feel like I've been hearing about this for like the last two weeks. Oh, he's got the gravestones outside of his house about the quarterback. It's like, I get it. Okay. But you know what I would put ahead of him? His had a lot of makeup and stuff. So it was cool, very ornate. But Josh Allen, did you see his?

No, actually. He dressed up as Phil Mickelson. And he walked in and was like, him and was like pointing and looking at his calves. It was really good. Wait, I'm actually going to look this up. That's actually really funny. Yeah, that was great.

I did, I made this category. To be honest, I missed a lot. I just really made it for Aaron Rogers. By this, oh, this is Josh Allen's one's really good. Go back to Miles Garrett real quick. You have to admit the, or you have to kind of admire the commitment after he did the whole bit with Kyler Murray's gravestone being really small.

They lost to the Cardinals anyway. Wait, with the Kyler Murray gravestones tinier than the other ones. It's just a mini gravestone. Wait, I'm sorry, I'm looking this up right now. Oh, my God, it never even occurred to me. That's so... That's funny.

Did you not see this? I didn't realize the Kyler one's tinier. I didn't put that together. you're listening to High Fitz Luce his mind live. That's so funny. You're listening to High Fitz Losing His Mind on KCR Radio. Okay, sorry. Speaking of losing his mind, while I'm just laughing,

punch drunk at whatever time it is right now. I just want to shout to Tracy Wolfson, the Sutherland Reporter for Steve. She just wore wolf ears, and I actually really appreciated that. I feel Siler reporters never have any fun. I know. I agree. Good fair. Yeah. Good pun.

All right. prop that update man we'll just move right past that not great let's just say the Mike White under didn't hit the under and the passing yards did that survive the Mike White

rushing yards one did the rushing yards one which I brought forward that was a roller coaster of emotion survivors of the day big zoinks energy for us okay yeah let's not dwell on it

Let's just flush it. Move on to next week. Do less, do more. Okay. This is a very important conversation. It's burn book time. Yeah. We have a lot of candidates here.

I want to just throw out. I kind of want to burn the Browns receivers, like Jarvis and Odell. Like the LSU, like that was a fun idea that really was never fun in practice. And we, let's just give up. like it was never good

let's just give up I'm not going to say he blew the game but he really if someone blew the game for the Browns is probably Jarvis like he fumbled he bobbled the last pass it wasn't an easy catch

but like I don't know if it's a drop we need a word for between a bobble and a drop but like Jarvis really blew it and then Odell had like the worst game of his career in which he did not get hurt in the game like he literally had one I think did he have one catch for six yards literally the worst one catch on 42 snaps

worst game of Odell's career, basically. I, we could go in of why that is forever, but for fantasy purposes, like, I'm done. I'm done with these guys. I actually think, I think that's the best one. I was going to suggest, like,

kind of just the Jacksonville Jaguars as a unit. Just kind of the whole team, we just kind of just, we move on. We can't burn Agnew. I just admitted that he's a thing. I do like him. Do you guys have James Robinson has 0.6 less points than Trevor Lawrence on the season?

it's not great. Leviska Chanel, zero touchdowns. Like, no one's good. Dan Arnold. You know it's good Marvin Jones, my guy. He's not. He's not, he's had some good weeks. 30 yards today.

I just, everybody in the Jacksonville Jaguars, I just remember us talking ourselves into them a little bit the season about, oh, they're going to be aired out. Talking ourselves into them. You talked yourself into them. Come into K. Come in K.

Yeah, I was there. We were all, listen, we came around to the idea that perhaps the Jags, while they might not be a good team, Lawrence would be slinging it, 48 passing attempts a game, a lot of picks, but a lot of touchdowns. We all got drunk on this, and you guys were doing Jacksonville Jaguar shots, and then I was like, no. And then I took some shots too, and I got drunk on it too, but I sobered up first. We're doing drop shots.

And at the end of this, I was like, oh, what are we doing here? And I was, and I partook, I'm not proud of it, but like, Craig, you get peer pressure to do it. You not pretend like you were not the ringleader of this. You bought the bottle and you passed out You poured the shots and handed them out Anyway He's the guy buying shots

Yeah and it was like 10 minutes before closing time Yeah I was like let's do it Actually I don't know I feel like I don't remember it that way I feel like I was pretty excited about it too I want to take some Take some of the blame here too

I think also it's worth noting Lawrence hasn't been quite as sharp as I had hoped He did not look great today Against the Seahawks obviously His coaches are not great I have to say one of the things. That's a big thing. While we're talking about Urban Meyer, I have to say something.

There's been, like, so much said about Urban Meyer being like a bad coach. But so much of it has really not focused on, like, coaching. This is so meaningless, but there was a minute and 46 seconds left. The Jaguars were down 24-0, and they scored a touchdown. So it's 24 to 6. There's a minute and 40 left. And they kicked an extra point. Right.

which that makes them down 17. You can make an extra point. So it's like you're 24 to 6. If you make it 24 to 8, it becomes a two possession game. Yes, you have to do the unside and get it back and do the unsigned. But it's a two possession game. And instead they're like, you know what, fuck it.

Let's make it a three possession game. Let's just not even try. With a minute and a half. What on earth is the rationale other than seven just looks better than six? Right. Seven looks like we scored a touchdown. looks like maybe we just had two field goals. It's like, that is like...

Or maybe even worse, they just didn't know that they should go through there. Is it malpractice or is it negligence? I don't know if there's a more basic football IQ test than like, do you want to... Those are two words you don't want to be throwing around that coaches. I couldn't let that go. That was astonishing. Did you guys see the thing where there was somebody tweeted back-to-back clips of Mike Tomlin being asked if he was going to maybe take the USC job and Urban Meyer being asked?

Wait, can we... Can we play that in this? It's kind of long. Tomlund goes on for a bit. But Tom, but that's the point. The body language. He goes 45 seconds about how he loves the Steelers and the organization and the passion he feels for his players. He would never want to leave them.

And he's like, listen, I guess you can say, you know, I guess they say never say never, but never. And that's how he ended it. And then it cuts to the same question to Urban. And he's like, I mean, I mean, no. No. I don't know. He's looking down too. Everyone's not great with that contact.

Oh my God. Irvin Myers is like fidgeting. He's like, he's like, I mean, maybe, but like probably not. Unbelievable.

I mean, how much, how much are they paid? How much we dug it? All right. Are there any of the burn book inductees or nominees?

No, I think we have to pick. So who we give it? I think it should be, it should be O'Dell, honestly. Odell. How is it not,

not, Jarvis just O'Dell? Yeah, because Jarvis is going to hurt all year. O'Dell's playing through two, like, injured shoulders. I feel a little bad. Yeah.

Like, he both, he's postponing surgery to play for this team. The burn book has been especially merciless this year. We, like, burned Rahim Moster. He was out for the season. All right, we didn't know it was out for the year, okay, when it happened. We're just like, I will, jerk.

No, it's, it was. I get, he's gutting through an injury. I, he's also, it was literally the worst game of his career. I think the O'Dell thing, it, it's, this has been a long time coming, honestly. this has kind of been like since he's been on the bottom. Most people are listening right now are like, how did you not do this like four years ago?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, our whole pitch in the off season, one of my whole things is that Jarvis has just been better than O'Dell since they've been on the Browns. It's a good point. Really, it's been mercy that we waited this long.

That's maybe. All right. Odell. Let's do a real quick. Let's do a real quick burn back, burn book recap. We had Raheimoster week one, Marcus Callaway,

week two. Kyle Shanahan. This is the one's like really like playing out well. Week three. Mike Davis, week four. Sorry. Alan Robinson in week five. Another good one.

We've been hot this year. Another good one. No one has rebounded. Yeah. Miles Gaskin. Did we burn him and then he scored 30 points? He had a 30 points. Did we burn him after?

He had 30 points and then like zero and then we burned him and then he had 30 again. We're like, fuck this. But then this week we had like six. So it paid out. Robbie Anderson. Because he's going up and down. And Robbie Anderson, I think he got hurt today, but I think he had like literally had zero points.

Yeah, and then Beckham. I don't feel bad about any of those. I mean, I feel a little bit bad about the whole Mooster thing, but that's fine. Again, you know, hindsight's 20-20. We didn't know. We didn't know he's out for the year. All right. Odell, you're in the burn book. Sorry.

All right. That's all we got. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Urban Meyer, no thanks to you. I don't know what you're doing. Odell, sorry, it took so long. Thank you, Mike for producing this episode. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Oh, God.

Thank you, Cake. Did I already say that one? I don't know. Craig doesn't even know what cake is. I don't. I don't. Spelled like it sounds? Craig doesn't know it.

I just Googled cake and it didn't work. I googled cake band. Were you an idiot? Can you Google cake? Did it come? Did not how Google works? Food show up? I just Googled the word cake.

You know the short skirt long jacket song? Probably a lovely thing to Google. What kind of cake comes up first if you Google cake? well like it's cakes in the area of LA to buy Magnolia Bakery Milk Bar Corporate capitalism's Addy right there

I'm like Dave Chang shout out milk bars lies a milk bar near me actually I love a bar All right This pod's running long Talking about cake You know the tough

To do the Oscars Do the Oscars song Craig wrap it up To like move near a milk bar Right after you find out You really shouldn't eat dairy That's like

sucks. Take lactate. Lactose. That is a story for another day. No, let's dive into that now. You don't think that this is a dive-in-time. I wanted to hear, you're lucky I didn't ask more about D.K.'s snowboarding use. We'll get into that. I could tell you about it.

Did you have shoulder-length hair like Aaron Rogers did? No. I'd actually, the longest my hair ever was, it was like in college, it was like, not quite shoulder-length, but it was getting close. Send picks, please. Think of that I'm back. See if I can. dig one up yeah sweet that's if it done yeah