The Ringer NFL Show - Week 8 Matchups, Must-Starts, Must-Benches, and Kadarius to the Chiefs

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

We kick off our NFL Week 8 preview by discussing the report that Giants WR Kadarius Toney has been traded to the Chiefs, and which games have the biggest fantasy shootout potential. Then, we bemoan the Broncos offense with Russell Wilson, offer up the RBs who could shine this week, waffle over the Rams-49ers matchup, and more. Check out our Week 8 Fantasy Football Rankings for this week's positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You can listen to This Blue Up on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. to the ringer fantasy football show my name is Danny hyphen, I am joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horleback. D.K.K. is like, wow, that was really loud. He's by your standards. If you are wondering who to start,

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to go to fantasyfobal.com to check that out. We're going to get to all our Sunday, or, well, Friday awards ahead of Sunday's action, but first, we have massive earth-shattering news to discuss. That's huge.

The New York football giants have traded Cadarius Tony to the Kansas City Chiefs for conditional third and sixth round picks. What's the opposite of a Sunday scary? Sunday horny? Because that's me. God. I'm a scared and horny are opposites, but that's fair.

Heifis, what was their first reaction? to this. Thank God. You like hate Tony. My first reaction was I hope the, my first reaction when I read this was like, oh, the conditionals are because conditioned on him playing. That was my first thought. Right.

And I was like, well, he's not going to play. So we're not getting a third round. Also, it's a fake injury and he's just been, they just been putting him on ice. Yes. Cadarius Tony tweeted, uh, the joke would have been funny if I was actually hurt still L.O.L. Irrelevant people don't get updates. I think he was sub-tweeting Haifitz there in particular. So obviously the subtext behind that, perhaps, you know, the relationship between the Giants and Cadarius

Tony wasn't great. Obviously, Joe Shane and Daibald didn't draft him. He was drafted by a previous regime. They tried to trade him in the offseason. Right. He's been hurt a lot. Who knows how long he's been injured. We basically have no idea what's going on with Cadarious Tony's Tony. Dude, I got an... So that's thing. This led to my real reaction because once I saw this, good riddance. I'm so glad this dude is gone. I'm so... tired of goodbye. I've never been more committed to Tony just absolutely bawling out and making a high school. This is going to be the most delicious thing.

Get out of here. I don't care. He didn't pretend to be hurt. I guarantee you it was a- He literally just said. High Fitz. I think it was an understanding between the team and the player that he did not have a future in New York and therefore why would it go out and get hurt worse? Obviously, he's got hurt a lot. There's a mutual benching. It's not him pretending to be hurt. It's fine. Goodbye. Well, I mean, everyone involved with us. I can't wait for him to be like the next Tyree Hill.

I'm sure he will be good somewhere else. I have no doubt he'll be good somewhere else if he's on a full. I've never wanted anything more in my life. So I feel like we have to let people know. He's he's 43% rostered in Yahoo, 30 on ESPN. Is he worth adding right now? I say yes. I already had him stashed on one of my teams.

Same. Is he worth starting him in it? I mean, the cheese are on by this week. But is he worth starting immediately? Probably not. You're going to have to wait and see. But he is undeniable. the most talented wide receiver now in the Kansas City Chiefs.

Yeah, he's certainly worth a pickup because, again, it is worth, it is about upside on your bench and you want the guy that if they get an opportunity could be great. Admittedly, Cadarist Tony, obviously can be great. I'm just very angry and bitter. It's such a good spot. It makes so much sense. I mean, he's super cheap. The Chiefs could literally have him for the next four years paying him $2 million a year.

And Juju could be gone next year, Unrestricted free agent. McColl, unrestricted free agent next year. So it would just be, you know, they have Skymore who hasn't done anything, MVS, and now Cadarious Tony could be their new guy out of the slot. He can play outside. Obviously, this all depends on, like, how quickly he can learn the playbook. Is he actually going to make an impact this year? But it's certainly worth the gamble, man.

That guy's got some juice. I can't remember a player in any sport where I think I'm more bitter at when they're leaving. I don't feel this way very often. I'm not a guy who gets mad at players. I can't remember a player that I felt more bitter toward in their exit. It is. I will say, and I'll admit, even though I'm very much. much for Tony to be awesome now. Like, it's not a great sign when a team moves away from a first

round pick after a year. Like, that's very bad sign. Don't forget the only other team that wanted him in the first round was Urban Myers-Jadors. Whatever. Look at Andrew Wiggins. Disaster on Minnesota, first overall pick, the next Michael Jordan. Wrong fit. He comes to the Warriors, All-Star, helps him win a finals, and now he's a completely different guy. What year was he the first pick? What does that have to do with anything? Football is very different from basketball. I'm just saying what year is to see the first pick. I'm just looking at the chiefs 2014 or something

I know I'm just saying yeah it's like seven years I'm just saying there can be right fits and Andy Reid and the chiefs

in a professional ass organization and Patrick Mahomes to me is the perfect spot for a guy like Kadaria yeah obviously if he's gonna go to a place it's the chiefs are always

the place where would a receiver go it's the chiefs to the point where we have to take the chiefs out of it just like can I just be bitter why you guys can I just be bitter that this guy just like

get out of let me be angry I think you're quietly nervous that he's going to be great and you're going to be upset that you lost out from the beginning. He don't protest too much.

Yes. Have I been quiet at any point so far? I've been very loudly upset. But you've been proclaiming that you want him off the team and I think secretly you just wish he was playing

for your team and just he was playing. No shit, Craig. The whole thing I've been bitching about is he never plays. It's the entire problem. You keep saying get rid of him, trade him, trade him. Why wouldn't you want to?

won't play. Yeah, I don't think we disagree here. The problem was he wouldn't play. Anyway, I'm looking at the Chiefs offense and the way that they line guys up. Right now, there's like no real primary slot guide. Like McCall Hardman is leading the team in slot targets, or slot rate, 46%, then Juju at 43%,

Skymoor at 40, Marcus Vela's Scantling at 34. I think they're going to move everybody around. Like, they don't really have one guy that plays at one position, you know what I mean? So I think this could be very interesting. I think he's a great fit for what they want to do. Like, just look at what McCle-Harman did last week. He had two rushing touchdowns.

So they'll get him involved in that way. He's better than Sky Moore. Sky Moore is just killing the Chiefs. Like, he keeps muffing punts and stuff. Just get him off a punt. He didn't do that in college. I don't understand why they have him returning punts. Like, that is a hard job to, like, track to football like that

and catch it when there's a guy in your face. Like, why are they having some guy who's never done it before? Do it. It doesn't make any sense. So that's, I mean, that's the first thing they need to change. But I think, yeah, this, I do wonder what this means for Skymore in the long term. I'm not giving up on Skymore immediately because obviously he's still a rookie and he used to work his way into the offense. But I do think long term, they see both

Skymore and Cadarist Tony as like longer term guys than Juju's on one year deal. And like you said, Craig, Hardman's on the last year of his deal. So I don't think they're going to resign him either. This is so annoying. I'm so annoyed by all of this. It's such a, I love it. What a savvy move by Kansas City. We were on a call when when the move came in, the three of us, and I was like, Craig and I were so stoked. And then Danny's just brooding in the corner, just pissed. Brooding is the right word. That's exactly what I'm doing.

All right, well, as if this isn't scary enough. All right, let's go to this Sunday scaries, just things that, you know, scary us ahead of Sunday. So one game that I'm kind of worried about, just everybody involved in this game, basically, is the Broncos versus Jags in London. So first of all, everyone's jet lag from traveling all that stuff. And then add into the fact that Denver is either going to be starting a really hobbled and frankly broken Russell Wilson or Brett Rippin. I actually probably prefer Brett Rippin to start this game, honestly, for fantasy purposes. Because if you look back in the, you know, obviously Wilson's been a Iron Man when it comes to playing throughout his whole career.

He's only missed like three games ever or something like that or four games. But at the same time, he's not very good when he plays. hurt. Like, here's the thing, D.K., but here's the thing. You left out the main line item here, which is Russell Wilson's hurt, but as it was reported, Russell Wilson worked out and stretched for

four of the eight hours on the flight from Denver to London, said he was doing high knees in the aisle when the rest of the guys were asleep. Get some rest. What an asshole. You know how PFT comments or people will do like the fake breakouts of like the athletic premium plus or whatever, and it's a joke

but a lot of people think it's real? I don't know how you can do that. How is he not getting in trouble for, for, it's satire. But that's the point. I thought this was satire, because I've never heard of the person who tweeted this. And I thought that this was a joke. Like, I thought this was a meme. He told this to report that I couldn't believe that it was real. He told this to reporter that he was doing high knees on the island plane. I think the key part of this story is that he was telling everyone that he did this. It's like, dude, or just do something and don't tell people about it. I, I don't even know to respond. Like, I will say this. There's, he's obviously a meme and the subway commercials are being memed and him

just talk about the danger witch and everything is just me. I also do think it really greats on teammates at a point where excuses and tryhardiness are being leaked out. Like obviously all the players in Seattle that used to play with them fucking hate him, which is very clear now. Yeah. I think that when you're losing and everyone's, the only, like, it's underrated how obviously every athlete wants to win. super underrated how much they don't want to be embarrassed. They're like almost equal. And when you're supposed to be good, like the Broncos and your team's losing and everyone's

like, why do you suck? And then the guy who's like leading your team just kind of keeps leaking, oh, yeah, I was injured or like, like the tryhardiness. I do think that eats it people. And this could get very ugly. Everyone's human. Luckily, this will be the least watched London game, I think, of the season because it's the morning after like Saturday, Halloween.

So we don't have to even just acknowledge this game exists. one last thing I wanted to add before we move on from this obviously we talked about Denver but the Jags going up against the Broncos defense sucks too like the Broncos defense is legitimately awesome their first and points allowed to opposing quarterbacks this year in fantasy their first and points allowed to posting receivers in fantasy this year their middle of the pack versus Titans and RB so like I guess the one thing I could be excited about is is watching Travis ETN and that's about it

oh we get to ETA to second one last thing in the Broncos though I do want to say one last last last thing Broncos have 100 points exactly in the season. They had seven games. The Tim Tebow Broncos did that in five. Oh, God. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Okay.

While you mentioned ETN though or some of this game, dude, I have Travis Eton for the debutante, which I hate that this went from like the creepiest award to now I'm doing it, but it's like, this is the breakout. Everyone's coming around to this. To be honest, I didn't even expect this to catch on. I thought it was like a one and done, but you guys kept adding it to the dock every week.

comes back. So obviously the Jaguars traded away James Robinson and now Travis E.TN's getting it. I got to tell you, I know that ETAN's good because I was talking to my mom. And my mom was watching the Giants game. She's like, who is this ETIN kid? He's unbelievable. Oh, yeah. And if he just learned to catch the football, I swear to God, he'd be a top five

running back in the NFL period. Like, it was like this three-headed monster, like Reese Hall and Ken Walker, who's going to be incredible. And then E. E.N, I feel like, is this third guy that's right there. He just, the Giants would have lost to the Jaguars last week. If they did like a trick play, I don't think I saw, but they threw back across the field to him. And it was one of those, like they created a wide open lane on a trip play.

He just dropped the ball, straight up. But other than that, every time he touches the ball, he goes for a first down. How is it that this running back who was touted for his receiving ability and was a first round pick not good at catching passes? That's a great question. He did catch a lot of passes in college, but the distinction, I think, think is that he wasn't like being utilized as a pass-catching guy where he's running routes down the field, he's getting vertical, it's more like just dump-offs and stuff. Every time you see him trying to catch a pass more than like three yards best line

scrimmage, he's just alligator-arming. He's trying to like clap the ball in. I don't understand. I guess obviously it's harder than it sounds, but like teaching a player hands technique doesn't seem like that difficult. Like you make the diamond with your fingers when you catch the ball. Yeah. You see it in. Like there's techniques. I feel like I got hand technique right now. If you threw me a football, I feel like I know how to catch you. Yeah,

and there's also, there's like techniques based on where the ball is coming to you, like how you position your hands. He just doesn't seem to get that. Obviously, you know, it's motor like memory, whatever it's called muscle memory.

So like you have to, you have to eventually learn that and it's going to take time. But he needs to absolutely learn that stuff because his hands technique is atrocious. And that's, I think the main problem. That being said, I agree completely with hyphids.

This guy has insane juice. He is like the fast, like, you think Tony is fast, watch him on the field. He has incredible, incredible burst. Every time he touches the ball, every time he carries it, he's like just shot out of a cannon. He's so fast.

That's why I think he's so exciting. And that's why, obviously, the Jags were willing to trade James Robinson. They want to make this his back. They want to make ETS backfield here. I feel he's going to get 20 touches a game, and he could be a top five running back the west of the way. I know. This is like a huge, huge opportunity,

especially in fantasy where he could be involved in not only the ground game, but in the passing game as well if he can, you know, get some of these dump offs and things like that, not necessarily. Downfield stuff. Also, E.N, such a cool name, right? Do you know what E.TN means? It's just the French word for Stephen.

If his name were Travis Stephen, would we be as excited about him? Not even close. Not even close. Sorry, Reuze. Yeah. He would run a slower 40 if his name was Travis Steven. That's the thing. ETN's like, whoa.

Look at this guy. Travis Stevens like, yeah, but now he, but with ETS, though, he's got like the, you know, the letter ETN. it's just cool and sounds cool and everything. It looks cool. It does. Who else we got for the debutante ball? I wanted to shout out Tony Pollard, who kind of been disappointing this year.

I think a lot of people thought it was going to be more of an even split and that, you know, the analytics have been on. Tony Pollard has been like the apple of the analyst's eye for years now. And it kind of hasn't come to fruition, but Zieg is now dealing with what we know is a sprained MCL and a thigh bruise. He hasn't practiced on Wednesday or today, which is Thursday. Cowboys are on a buy next week, so like trading for him might actually be easy right now. Maybe someone's willing to get rid of him. I would definitely grab Tony Pollard. I think even if Zeke plays this week, I think he's very startable.

He hasn't been consistent. Like Pollard's had games where he scored one, three, and six this year. They're playing Chicago. Cowboys should run the ball a lot. This is what we've seen them do. Like they beat the Lions last week. They ran the ball a lot, controlling the game, time of possession. And Pollard is clearly, we're going to talk about guys.

with juice today. Pollard's also got the juice. He could scoot. This could be a huge breakout game for Pollard. I'm just looking at right now through seven games. Pollard is trailing Zeke by six points in fantasy in PPR. Zeeke's just getting all the goal line work and getting the touchdowns. So I'm very excited about Pollard. He's like, you know, arguably going to be an RB1 this week. Like he has that upside. He can be a pass catcher he can hit the home run.

Yeah. So even if Zique plays and you're in like you have Tony Pollard on your team and you see that Zika is playing, I would still start Tony Pollard for this week. Absolutely. Speaking of Cowboys Bears, though, this maybe is a Costanza, but dude, maybe possibly coming out party for Justin Fields of the Bears. Wasn't that last week, wouldn't you say? Well,

that's the thing. It was last week. And I get, we Costanza this. Again, I'm going to, I think I'm leaning harder to the Costanza than ever, because last week I was like, well, every instinct I have is that the Patriots will crush the Bears. And so Justin Fields's good week. And it was. And I'm not saying Chicago's going to beat Dallas. I guess I'm saying this. It's like last week against

the Patriots, they gave Justin Fields 11 design runs. That is like more than double than he'd gotten in any game this season. I don't know what took the Bears so long to like maybe we should design runs for Justin Fields. Who's like a cyborg of a person. But we're here, which is what matters. And I think he's so frustrated at the Bears staff. What took so long? Why? I don't know. What happened here? What is the fucking disconnect. I don't understand this. It's like 6-3, 230 pounds, he can run like a 4-4, and they're like, oh, you know

it would be good idea if we fucking run him some? Like, no shit, you idiots. I don't understand this. It just bothers me so much. And they trade it up to get him. It's like with the Giants. And the Giants could get Cotony. But it's like getting a Bugatti and sitting in the right lane behind all these trucks. And then you're like, you know what we could get in the left lane

and like pass these cars? And after the game, Fields talked about how they stole some plays from the Ravens. And it was really working for him. It helps move the chains. It creates explosive plays. Again, it's just like no shit. No shit. What the fuck?

This is like my musical tastes where I'm like, have you guys heard of this Stan Gets guy? And he's like, yeah, what took you so long? It's like the Bears just discovering the Ravens Playbook. I think I think this is like a great example of something that happens a ton in the NFL where it's coaches

come in and they want to run their stuff. You know, they believe in their scheme over specific players and tailoring things to specific players. They think their scheme is going to win out in the end. It's going to give them the best chance to win. Obviously, they're not, well, I can't say they're not idiots, but they're probably not idiots. They want to win football games, right? I can't say they're not idiots.

So they think this is the best way to do it. And, you know, again, like, obviously the long-term play here is like, Justin Fields is going to have to eventually develop into a pocket pass or at least someone that can go through his reads and things of that nature. Obviously, he's still very much struggling in that area. area. So I guess maybe it's like they were worried he's going to just fall back on this too much. But I mean, look at the success that Jalen Hertz is having, for instance, with, you know, he's been one of the highest volume runners at quarterback in the NFL. And he's still developing as a pastor.

But guess what? He's improving because he's out there making plays. You're getting confident. The guys around him are more confident. They're making explosive plays on the ground. I don't know, man. It's just this is one of the, this is like a perfect example of like, I don't understand what coaches are thinking sometimes. So to your point, I'm not saying the Bears are going to beat the Cowboys. I'm not saying Justin Fields will definitely have a great game. What I'm saying is he had 24 points last week, give or take. He had like 18 the week before that.

And now he's running more. What I'm saying is if Justin Fields puts up like 20 plus points this week against Dallas and the Dallas defense, there's not reason to think you can't do it against anyone. And what I'm saying is if now this, again, 6'4, 230-ish-pound cyborg, is going to now run like 12 times a game. I think that Justin Fields might be a top 10, top 12 quarterback the rest of the season. I know we literally just did the power hour, but I'm just thinking about this more. It's like, if he does it, I'm not, here's thing.

I'm not saying he will. Like if he doesn't, it's still a volatile guy. But if he does have a good game against the Bears, I'm sorry, if he does look against the Cowboys, why would you be afraid of any other defense? That's kind of what I'm saying. You know, it's kind of crazy about this too, Hyphitz, and there's more meat on the bone than you might even realize. he had 10 design rushes last week and only one scramble.

I'm looking at some of his past games from basically his entire career. He averages like four or five scrambles a game. So tack that on to like the design rushes. And he could pick up like 60, 70, 80, 50, 80, like 90 yards in this game on the ground. That also opens up the past the game, I feel like. The more you design runs, the more the defense has to think about that, which opens up a lot more. Wow. Yeah. Bears are in the cutting edge here.

Have we talked about a team more that is worse? than the Bears this year. Oh my God. I mean, I just rooted for the Giants for like the last five years. We've done so much Bears content this year, I feel like. His previous career high and designed runs in any game is four. Wow. That's funny.

I don't know. Well, while we're talking about why the Bears are doing things. Wait, did we have another debutante? I have one more. This isn't the same vein. It's maybe more of a Costanza, but because of what PJ Walker has done previous to last week. but maybe PJ Walker this week.

What do we think? Wow. Coming out party for PJ for Phil? Yeah, for Philip Walker. He looked great last week against the box. He made some legitimately very nice throws. It wasn't just like, you know, a couple of plays here and there. He scraped by by the skin of his teeth or whatever.

He looked legit really good. He had five completions of 20 plus yards on just 22 attempts, which was third most among all quarterbacks. Like for instance, Joe Burrow threw the ball 42 times last week. he beat him in terms of he only did that because I said he wouldn't do that though. If I'd said nothing, he would have had a terrible game. But in addition to the fact that he looked really good last week, I think more realistically, I'm excited about this matchup.

He gets against the Falcons who are actually banged up on defense and is already giving up the third most points to opposing quarterbacks this year. So with a really banged up secondary and PJ Walker playing with a little more confidence, getting DJ more and more involved, there might be a little bit of a Uing theory thing going on with Robbie Anderson, not in town anymore. I think you mean Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, I don't think. I'm not going to say they're better without Christian McCaffrey.

I don't think that's the case. But that's the Uing theory. It's the entire point of the Ewing theory. Okay, I'm just saying addition by subtraction, sorry for using the Ewing theory incorrectly, according to your terms. Wow. It's according to Bill Simmons terms, really. Just like, it has to be the best player of the team.

It's the rule. I mean, Robbie Anderson was clearly the best player, so I don't know what you're talking about. Anyway, I'm somewhat morbidly intrigued with PJ Walker this weekend. Morbidly. That should be a category. Morbid intrigue. There we go. We should tell you that.

Oh, my God. It's like if someone's like, hey, there might be a really bad train crash at 4 p.m. today on TV. I'd be like, what channel? Well, I might put that on. What channel? Yo, this is when I moved to Los Angeles. this is like the number one thing I always I never got why people

watched car car chases on the cops like live What? Have you ever seen an action movie? What are you talking about? I don't know but like they don't know They don't happen as much And then I moved to Los Angeles And it happened like relatively a lot in L.A

more than anywhere else I've lived And I was always like why And then you put it on and you're like Oh, he's trying to like escape society Like you're trying to leave This the whole thing Just trying to run What are you talking?

but I think you're reading way too far into it. It's like fast and furious in real life. It's like it's cops chasing a dude on the freeway. I know. I just, I feel like, I don't know. I feel like until I move to LA, like they're on, you see it more in LA.

Like it happens more. You see the helicopters flying. You're like, oh. No? Just me? I'm not sure where he's going with this one. DK, have you ever watched a live car chase though?

I don't know where you're at with this. Somebody trying to escape society. It's like a higher level thing. I watched the OJ. chase? I think that's the only one I ever watched. Before Craig and I were like born, so that one doesn't count. I definitely watched that. It was a slow race, though. That's my point, though. I never watched one in the moment.

This is conversation that's gone on too long. I'm just canceling myself. All right, let's move on. What do we have that? Probably unanswerable question. Is Hyattin's an alien? That was weird. Now I'm confused. He's like, these car chases are interesting. I'm like, did you just download that file into your brain? It's like a metaphor for the pandemic. people trying to get away from society. Yeah, dude, car chases are fascinating. Oh, fucking no, man. An answerable question of the week, other than my very answerable question right there.

But this could also be morbid curiosity, which is what do we do with the cults? Yeah. What do we do, D.K. What is going on? Let's recap the cult's offenses here. I don't know if people realize it, but they are first in past completions per game this season. They have passed an incredible, incredible amount of times for what they. I think what people expected them to be,

like a run-heavy team under, you know, Jonathan Taylor. Who you expect that would be good? Well, that too. Taylor also has been hurt. He missed two, two and a half games. Yeah, and I think this is largely due to the fact, like Matt Ryan said, a couple of extremely high-volume passing games this season.

But at the end of the day, like, this passing volume, I think, is going to evaporate. It's very similar in my mind to what happened to the Jets offense when they went from Flacco back to Zach Wilson. like you're not going to see Sam Ellinger pass 50 times a game, I would guess. I don't think that's how they want to play it, certainly. Because he's more of a, I mean, coming out of like high school, he's a dual threat quarterback. He has a little bit of mobility.

They're probably going to incorporate him into the run game. It's going to look closer to what the bears are doing with Justin Fields than, you know, what the Colts have been doing with not Ryan. So I am very worried about just the past volume, the overall number of throws that are going to happen. And that's obviously not good for Michael Pittman. It's not good for Paris Campbell, who's been coming on really strong lately. And so I don't know.

I don't know what to make of this. I do think it is really good for Jonathan Taylor, though. I think you're exactly right, because when the Jets went from Joe Flacco to Zach Wilson, fundamentally Joe Flacco was staying in the pocket and checking down, and Matt Ryan was staying in the pocket and really turning the bowl over. We're checking down. And Sam Ellinger is going to scramble and he's going to run.

And it's just, again, Paris Campbell maybe would have been an ad if Matt Ryan had stayed healthy, but or slash he's getting benched even though he's hurt but when he's healthy he'll be benched i don't know but whatever's happening paris campbell as an ad was irrelevant you still have to play michael pitman but i think this is probably really bad for michael pitman i don't think paris campbell i wouldn't completely eliminate him from consideration i probably would not play him this week but the idea that he could be the checkdown option is sort of intriguing if ellinger decides to just like dink and dunk down the field what were you going to say craig i just it's probably

only Michael Pittman and Jonathan Taylor are the only people you can start this week for the Colts. How often, I wish we could track this. We should go back and look. How many times when an owner more or less gives in what sounds like perhaps an ultimatum of sorts to the GM and the coach and being like start winning or I'm going to like I'm just so pissed, like make a change. And either for whatever, they met with Jim Mersey and then they benched Matt Ryan. How often do we go from that to like a happy place for the team? That's a good question. Can you remember exact examples?

I'm coming up blank with other examples if that's where that's happened. I can't think of it off the top of my head. If anyone can think of examples of this, email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you're an example of an owner kind of coming down from the top rope and being like, do this, like midseason. There's a lot of stuff in the office scene, but midseason being like change things and then it like works.

I don't know. It's always usually bad. Other quarterbacks. So Matt Ryan got benched. Now the Saints. similar situations where with Matt Ryan they're like

his shoulders not healthy but when he is healthy he's still on the bench and the saints with James they were like Andy Dalton's playing for James and they're like Andy Dalton's still going to play

James is healthy though but like he's not good enough to play anymore and so they both just done the same thing and I'm like Craig you seem very upset that James wasn't playing

over Andy Dalton yeah when I first heard about it I was like why are they playing Andy Dalton over James Winston I mean James Winston isn't Joe Montana But I'm like, what are we doing here? I thought we kind of had an understanding about this situation.

And so I kind of dug into a little bit more. I mean, Dalton obviously just came off two pick sixes against the Cardinals. One, I guess, wasn't his fault. But unfortunately, fellas, after diving into the data, at least this season, it does seem as though Andy Dalton is better for the Saints, James Winston. And I hate when the data disproves my point and subverts. my opinion. But yeah, James

James basically, he is who you think he is. He has more passing yards than Dalton. He throws to wide receivers way more than Dalton. He's way more air yards than Dalton. But like that's kind of it. And when you actually go to Dalton, he's got like better touchdown pick ratio, higher EPA for dropback, better pass rating,

you know, more, like higher completion percentage, more on target throws. Like he's just, he's just playing smarter and James is just winging it. Yeah. But for me and how I want to envision the Saints and for fantasy purposes, I still want James and I still think

ceiling-wise, you're not going to the playoffs with Andy Dalton. To me, you could go to the playoffs with James, so I don't really get it. I actually prefer Dalton in this case. Here's what.

First of all, I think he's probably better off. He makes Camara better because he's willing to check it down. Are you talking about the Saints or Fantasy, D.K.? I'm talking about fantasy. I'd rather, for like,

for fantasy purposes, I prefer to have Dalton play because he's going to make Camara more relevant in my opinion. Yeah. Because he's willing to check down and just take the easy dump off. But also, he's been force-feeding Olave. So I think he keeps Olave going. There's no one else there, though.

Well, that's fine, and that's great. Honestly, like, both these guys are very usable, have high ceilings now, and Dalton can just keep doing his thing. Like, to me, I don't see an upside for seeing Winston come back because it takes Camara off the table a little bit. Just for fantasy. Yes.

But whether you think the real saints should do? well i think they're probably making the right choice based on everything that craig said with like i love that Craig we should make that a segment too just like i looked at the facts and changed my mind well don't you guys don't you guys build it that's rare these days still take stats and and help them help your argument or whatever they can build you you can craft an argument based on stats any way you want like i struggled i struggled with jamest you know i know i i think i think the saints actually better with any dalton just don't throw toothpaste sixes and you'll be okay. I mean, what are they? One in three with Dalton? It's not like they're

but... Well, how about this? Maybe the Saints aren't that great. I mean, they're kind of hurt. They're injured. They have a lot of injuries. They don't have a lot of depth because they continue to trade into the first round, trade up in the first round. Michael Thomas has just, I don't know, I don't know what's going on Michael Thomas. I told you guys this was going to happen. I warned you. Why have they not put Michael Thomas on IR? He hasn't practiced since week three. Michael Thomas is my version of Cadarious. What's he doing? Well, he must have exactly. exacerbated the injury. I think he exacerbated the injury.

Why wasn't that reported? What's going on? If they knew it was a month at the time, they would have put them on IR, but obviously they did not think it would be a month. I think it was turf toe or it was some toe injury. Yeah, it's a toe injury. I got to say, we always sit,

I know that toes are important to, like, athletes and, like, turf toe is a big deal. And, like, it's actually, you kind of cannot run with your, however, when you have a fantasy guy, it always feels annoying when the guy's a toe injury. I'm not saying it should, but it does feel annoying. I always got annoyed in fantasy baseball when a guy on your team pulls something running to first base, and I'm like, God, dude, really?

Like, how far is it? Like, 70 feet? Like, come on. Yeah, I'm not saying you should judge people for that. I'm saying in my horrible lizard brain self, I'm like, man, so every part of them is okay except for the toe? D.K's just quiet. I have bad news.

Jamar Chase out four to six weeks with an injured hip? Oh, for crying out loud. So according to Adam Schaefter, Jamar Chase is dealing with a hip injury that is expected to sideline him four to six weeks, makes him a prime candidate for injured reserve. Man, that sucks. Wow. So T. Higgins to the moon. And then, I don't know, I guess this is good for Hayden or Hurst, probably. Obviously, Tyler Boyd, a big one. Man, that's terrible. That sucks for the Bengals, too, obviously. Wow, that's huge. Sucks for me personally. Wow. That's tough. I feel like a like a, like a Jewish-Jewish mother right now.

I'm just like, oh, this is terrible. Get your hip better, Jamar. Fantasy is the most disgusting thing you could ever play, because the second that happened, I was like, I have Tyler Boyd in my dynasty league. Yeah. Oh, boy. So, see, a hip?

I get that. Four to six weeks at a hip. That totally, you know, that's amazing. You know what? I respect the Bengals for telling us it's four to six weeks. Meanwhile, the Saints. Yeah. No idea.

Stringing us along. Yeah. Yeah, that's like, yeah. Boyd, yeah, well, God, I hate this. Why do we do this? All right. That's such a downer. Yeah, sorry.

All right, we can talk about something either happy or sad, depending how you look at it. The Giants and the player, Seahawks are playing this week. This should be fun. This is crazy. So the Giants are six and one, and the Seahawks are in first place in the NFC West. Look at us, D.K. Who would have thought? Not me.

Not me. I really would not have thought, honestly. No, no, no, definitely not. I am curious, though, because the Seahawks have been playing better defense the last couple of weeks. Obviously, they played well against the Cardinals, then they played well against the Chargers last week. Their defense is seemingly starting to figure out a little bit.

I'm not saying that they're like elite or good even, but like it will be interesting to see if the Giants completely go off on them or if the Seahs continue to play kind of like more discipline, more like just better ball. they've just been giving up so many explosive plays in the past, and that just hasn't happened over the last couple weeks as much. So I definitely am interested to see how this goes. And I think this will be a good litmus test because the Giants,

you know, obviously they have Seekwan. But at the receiver position, like, they're still very thin. Well, I was going to ask, obviously, with the Seahawks defense, not being great, Hyphids, do you think this is the week where you can start a Giants ride receiver with any semblance of confidence?

No, because the sucks actually, no, no. The Searx actually have really good quarterbacks, but the jokes on them because our receivers suck, so you shouldn't have those. It's like bringing a, I don't have any analogy. I'd be willing to start Wondale and deep leagues.

Yeah, it is super deep league, but unless you're like racked by buys, like you can play Wondale, but I'm not sitting here like, the Searks actually don't give up that many financing points to receivers. What really happens is these two teams both have good running games and terrible run defenses.

And so I think that what happens here is that, Like they both, the Giants in the Seelux are top five in getting 10-yard runs or more, like chunk first-down runs of 10-plus yards. And they're also, their defenses are like bottom five and allowing those. Like these are both kind of like low-key. The Giants are the defense that made Kenyon Drake look solid. And then the Seahawks are the defense that just gives up these like seven, eight-yard chunks over and over on the ground.

The difference in the game to me is that low-key, you could convince me that Gino is the second best. quarterback the Giants to face this year based on how they're playing this year like obviously the Giants to face darn Rogers and Lamar and in a vacuum those guys are better but in terms of the actual offense operating I kind of think that this is the week like Gino's going to connect with Tyler Lockett. If DK Metcalf were playing in this game I kind of think the Giants might lose by like 20 points but I still think even with Metcalf out that it's just like two teams they're going to be able to run but the Sealks can pass at a higher clip and the Giants have been kind of

buttering their bread by other quarterbacks just making mistakes. And I kind of don't think Jito's going to do that. Man, don't give me hope. I feel like you're trying to reverse Jinks, but you're making some good points. It's in Seattle. I'm doing that every week.

It's working every week. I don't know. I actually think this is going to be a fun game. It's also weird because you're right. Hiveits, they don't give up a lot of points to wide receiver in Seattle, but they give up the most points in fantasy football to tight ends

and the 10th most to quarterbacks. But of course, Daniel Bellinger is probably not going to play. this week for the giant. So the tight end is Chris Myeric, Mayoric. Tanner Hudson, maybe? I don't know. They have Madden generated tight ends. Yeah.

Just get them jack stole. No, yeah. So I think that the Searx win, but yeah, this is a real test of whether the Seyukon, obviously big game, but we'll silly. Other Mario Kart rainbow strip potential? As always, the Lions. Dude, the Lions defense. I know it's bad and you know it's bad, but just wanted to note that.

this. Shout out Mike Clay at Eastby and found this. Tyree Kill is the highest graded wide receiver on pro football focus and he will often in this game be matched up against, I can't pronounce this name, Amani Oro, I can't pronounce it. Amani O'amonio. He was the lowest graded cornerback on PFF. So it's literally the highest graded receiver in the season against like the lowest graded cornerback on pro football focus. Orawaray. Is that it? Oruari. Amani or Warre. he's not had a good season. Like Jeff Okuda hasn't been playing as well the last couple weeks. And their slot quarterback is also, like, was on their practice squad for Detroit a few weeks

ago. Like Jalen Waddle and Tyree Kill. Yeah, but, you know, that's not exactly newsworthy saying start Jailen Waddle and Tyree Kill. Do you like, Miami's offense is pretty funneled to those guys and Rahim Moster? Do you like, is this a week where you're starting my Gassiki? Is there anybody else? Yeah, you could do Gisiki. You could do most.

Yeah, no, really I think the answer is Tua. that Tua is the quarterback that usually it's like, oh, should I play two or Derek Carr? Someone asked this this week, should we play two or Lamar Jackson? I was like, Lamar Jackson. I was like, but if two outscored Lamar this week, I wouldn't be stunned. I'll put it that way. It's not as crazy as a question. I think that's really it's like Tua is really high for me this week.

Yeah, I agree. Craig, to answer your question about Keseki, so the last two weeks, he has run 68 routes, which is really good. He's run a route on 73% of the team's dropbacks, which is way, way higher than what he was getting early in the season. So it does feel like they're starting to incorporate him into their offense and be like a major part of that. Instead of having just Waddle and Hill,

it's now he's kind of like the third guy in this offense. And he scored, he's averaging 15.3 PBR points. And obviously he had a huge game two weeks ago and then an okay game last week. But yeah, it does feel like he's starting to be a bigger part of that offense. All right. Combocha Girl Player the Week, again, for the, you feel one way, you feel the other day. Do I? Do I not?

I don't know. Craig, who's your kombucha girl player of the week? Rams offense. Playing the Niners. I'm kind of, I've, if anybody listened to the Wednesday show, I've put a lot of my capital and a lot of my reputation on the Rams having a strong second half of the season. The Rams have not been great against Shanahan. McVevor, Shanahan wins every time.

except that one playoff game and the Rams won a Super Bowl. So all in all, I'd still rather be McVeigh. However, other than Cooper Cup, it's been pretty bad across the board. And the Niners D has been very elite. However, as of late,

the Niners are really hurt. Eric Armstead's been out. A lot of guys are out. And the Niners have actually been pretty vulnerable. You know, they've been bad on the ground. So I kind of think Daryl Henderson, secretly playable this week. They haven't been pressuring the quarterback

that much, only three sacks in the last two games. I just can't believe Jimmy Gropo is favored on the road against Matt Stafford and McVeigh The Niners are favored in this game and they're super banged up. Debo has not been practicing this week. Yeah, might not play.

So I'm drinking the kombucha right now. I don't know. I don't know. I think I'm going to bet the Rams though. I can't believe they're getting points at home against Jimmy G. You might as well double down. They're coming out of a buy. Yeah.

It's kind of embarrassing if they can't beat them coming out of a buy. I don't blame you. my kombucha girl player the week i actually have two one it's just this all the steelers receivers because the steelers are playing the eagles and my first reaction is like oh my god this is a bloodbath i can't play steelers receivers against the eagles and i'm like what well can he pick it he gives him the chance gives him the ball and also dionte johnson is fourth in targets but he's 41st in receiving yards and i'm like well i can't bench dionte johnson and i'm like can't bench dionte johnson

and I'm like, can I? Why not? Why can't I bench Deonté Johnson? Deontes last in yards per target in the league. Oh, my God. It's ridiculous. I know. So I just keep, and then same. And I'm like, is Deonti Johnson even the number one receiver on his team anymore?

His Pickens just passed him and everything. Everything about this, I just keep thinking if I bench these Steelers receivers and they have a good game, I'll feel like an idiot. And if I play them and they do poorly, I'll feel like an idiot. Yeah, I mean, the Eagles have two good outside corners, right? They have Slay and Bradbury. So theoretically, Claypool is the guy who could have a game today. I think Deontay has the lowest ceiling of any of the players getting, like, a lot of targets in the league. I just keep thinking about benching the guy who's fourth in targets.

Literally, the targets in the NFL right now, it's Tyree Kill, Jamar Chase, Cooper Cup, Deonti Johnson. But I'm like, do I need to play him? Do I need to play him? I don't know. Yeah, he gets 11 targets a game. He catches five of them for like 40 yards. Pickens, to me, Pickens, I feel like you got to do it. He's like 80 yards are a touchdown every week, the last four weeks.

He's been good. And Pickett clearly has a relationship with him. Deonté, dude, I totally get it. That's crazy that he's fourth in targets and you're considering benching him. I'm also kombucha girl on the Packers just versus the bills in general because I'm like, Packers, 11 point underdogs

and I'm like, ah, Rogers, come on, 11 points. I'm like, no, yeah, they're going to lose by 11, aren't they? Are the Packers going to trade for a wide receiver? Can they trade for like Jerry Judy or something, please? The report was they were looking to trade for AJ Green, which Jesus. Oh, God. It's a terrible idea.

Let me tell you. I don't think you should do that. I've written there's a fucking million receivers on Earth. Just why would you trade for AJ Green at this point? It's not going to help. Let's do a couple of emails. I also have to do a longstanding correction here from our waiver wire show.

I had possibly more feedback on this moment than anything I've ever said on the show. I guess barring like Mike Davis for like a single mistake. And I got to tell you, maybe the dumbest thing I've ever said. We were doing zip codes, and the question was how many zip codes are there? And I was like, well, there's five digits.

So it's got to be like, you know, 10,000. Because it's a five-digit number. Right. That's not the highest five-digit number possible. No. What I meant was 100,000. Yes. That's what I kept saying?

And I'm like, well, it's 40,000, and that's still five digits. Like, what are you talking about? We didn't call you on it, though. Our running bit is like, like, if when you, the closest you get to feeling like a ghost is when you're listening to a podcast and people are wrong and want an answer and you're yelling it and they can't hear you. And I, we got more ghosts emailing me of just like, 100,000, you idiot than anything. So, sorry about that. You know what though, hi, it's, here's what I'll say.

We could have cut that. We could have re-recorded that. We didn't. We are the most vulnerable people on this podcast network at the ring or doing show it on time every Monday. It is so hard to just get the most random. They're unanswerable. They're unanswerable. The most random, obscure questions you can imagine, and we have 10 seconds to answer,

and thousands of people will hear us. I'll say this. Yes. Should I know how many zip codes there are? No. Should I have known that, well, a five-digit number, I'll pick. Obviously, it means there's $100,000, like $99,000, $9,000 instead of $10,000. Yeah, I shouldn't.

Probably shouldn't do that. I tell this to my girlfriend. I could, like, follow your logic, but yeah, you missed a step there. Well, you know what hurt was I said this to my girl? girlfriend and as I laid it out and I said 10,000, she just looks to be like, I was a morrow, like immediately and I was like, man. That's when it's tough when you like, you try to validate yourself by going to somebody and being like, you understand what I mean, right?

And they're immediately like, no. No. Did you say that out loud? My God. Anyway, yeah, glad everyone takes advice. I think that we're dumb. Speaking of me being dumb, got a great email from Mike on dudes being dumb. Nice.

The endlessly running thing of just men doing things that women would never think of. Mike says in college, we had a house rule. Yeah, Mike. Mike. Well, I was going to say, to be clear, women would never think of it because they're too smart. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, to be clear. None of these things, it's like positive. No, it's like things that...

They have lives. Yeah, and culture. Mike said, in college, we had a house rule. If there was a hole in your pants or jeans at any time, or shirt, too. Oh, God. Clothing. We could put our finger into the hole and rip it all the way down to the bottom. Oh, man.

And so the best one was someone did this as someone at the beginning of a 45-minute subway ride in New York City. Just figure in a shirt, ripped down to the bottom. Oh, God. Boys never really leave that like seven-year-old frame of mind do that. No, and Mike wrote... Getting pantsed was a thing. Like, people just pull down your pants. Mike wrote that girls never thought this was funny and would never have come up with this in 10,000 years.

We thought it was funny every time. Men are dumb. Yeah, that's correct. Men just love hurting one another. We'll never stop liking that. Remember, God, there were so many things. Yeah, pantsing people. Remember table topping? Table topping? I hated the table topping. It's when you walk up to somebody and distract them. And while you're distracting them, a second person runs up behind them and gets on their hands and knees and you push them so they topple over the back. We did that. In my high school, for whatever reason, our friend group got really into running up behind people and slamming your hands down on their shoulders. just like really hard. Just like just wham!

And like everybody around would like cheer and clap and stuff and the person who got hit would just be like, oh my God, my shoulders. And it was just like that was what our class did. Why are we like this? I mean, we'd be like Seth Rogen

like death from above like in, you know, Panoply Express where you just come and just like slam hands down on the shoulders. Dude, guys usually just play a game called like dead arm where you just punch each other in the arm until one of them goes dead. Or you get one shot each to get one another dead arm.

Yeah. What are we doing? Oh, God. We used to play a game. It was like, like jousting. We were just right, this is when I was like 10. We would ride our bikes at each other and just essentially play chicken. Whoever turns first wins or loses.

And sometimes you just like literally run into each other head on. That was at the time when parental supervision was just non-examined. Yeah, we were definitely not. We were just like, dude, in the street. How far was culture come from like? I always hear those, like, stories are just like anything that takes place in like the 50s or 60s. It's just like kids roaming about and like dogs, not on leashes just running around and they'll come home for dinner. Dude, I got to say, even in the early 2000s, social media has really changed everything, giving your little kid a phone.

Even in the early 2000s, I remember every summer, I used to just like leave the house at 9, 10 in the morning and just go run around with my friends until dark. And my parents, they didn't know where I was. Seriously. I do this the same deal I would just like and I would honestly come back at like two in the morning like my parents would have gone to sleep before I'd be like bruised smelly

dirty I was like in a creek playing wiffle ball on bikes it's like cats like you just let them out and hopefully they'll come back you know yeah sometimes they just find new houses

and just live there yeah you assume that somebody else's parents fed you you know oh he must have gone to somebody else's house for dinner had some mac and cheese or a hot dog I love that you guys never grew up in a world

where you'd have to call someone's house and ask for someone and like see if they're there In the beginning Yeah we did a little bit phased out very quickly When you're five

Who are you calling You didn't know anyone You were five years old No but like if I wanted to go Hang out with a friend When I was seven My mom would call The home phone of the other mom's house

Late elementary early middle When the phones came in That's fair I didn't have a phone Until middle school Yeah The razor Oh my God

I had a rumor, LG rumor. I don't even know what that is. Great phone. I want to shout out, what is the name of this website? There's an incredible website that tracks extinct sounds, and it's just sounds that are going out of, I think it's, yeah, I think that's it, saveth sounds. Dot info.

And it is just all these sounds that have gone away. So like, it's among the sound of a razor snapping. It's like how AOL instant messenger sounded when you signed on. The sound of like the original windows, typewriters, like Nokia, like snake on Nokia, like all these different sounds. And the razor snapping shuts on there. Like a home phone number or a home phone sound. Oh, I remember these, Craig. Yeah.

Great phone. They like rotated like circular, right? No, no, it just went up and down horizontally, the LG rumor. Well, there were some that like spun and open. Yes, that was the sidekick, I think you're thinking of it. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, the spins were great. Oh, yeah.

I loved the LG rumor. I missed the full keyboard. I understand the Blackberry appeal. I really do. I had a Blackberry for a long time. Yeah. Dude, my, my fiancé's little brother is in college. Mm-hmm.

And he wanted to buy a keyboard to, like, use for his monitor. And he went out and bought like a, like a 1996, one of those like really clickety-clacety-clacety-thick-ass keyboards. Yeah. And he loves it. And he's like, it's so satisfying to type on it. I totally get it. I don't know why we're making buttons so thin now. Hold on, hold on.

He has a clackety keyboard in college. Yeah. Doesn't you have a roommate? I don't know. I mean, whatever. His roommate's going to go to sleep and he's just like clacking away? These kids, they don't sleep. I don't know what to tell you.

They're on Adderall all night. Oh my God. I used one of those at the rear office for like two days and someone turned to me. It was like, I'm going to kill you. I can see that. That's like the most accurate. think I've ever heard in my life. Speaking of words,

I was thinking how Craig used the word clickety clackety, and I'm like, that is 100% I understand exactly what you're talking about. We got an email. Frank, do you want to take this one? Yeah, so I talked about how everybody misuses the word peruse, because it means to, like, examine something carefully or thoroughly.

This was weeks ago we were talking about this, yeah. Yeah, and we got an email from Mr. Bell, and they said, turns out peruse is a contronym, meaning it has multiple definitions that contradict one another. So if you actually, if you go to Merriam-Webster

or Dictionary.com, literally the top two definitions, the top definition of Peruse to read through with thoroughness or care. The second definition is to browse or stand. Cool language you got there. What are we doing here? That's like the word literal.

Literal now has the opposite thing in the, in the definition. Think if you look at a Merriam-Webster for literal, it will be the same thing. It's even worse. So I just read the dictionary.com definition. The Merriam-Webster definition, there's two.

To read in a very careful way, to read in an informal or relaxed way. What are we doing here? Fucking choose one. We need law and order here. This is ridiculous. Words should mean things. There's a couple other. There's like a bunch of contronyms.

Some funny ones are like the word transparent could mean like obvious but also invisible. Here's a couple others. No, no, that makes sense because transparent. Oh, I see what you're saying. Like a company is being transparent with the way that they donate their money or whatever. Here's a couple others that I thought were funny. Fine, which can mean excellent or acceptable.

Like either one. Craig says, that's fine. That's accurate. That one is spiritually so true. What are you talking about it means two different things? I know, but the word fine does mean two different things. Peruse is confusing. Fine. It's like someone says fine. You're like, oh my God, this could mean so many things.

If someone just sent you a text, fine, period. You're talking about context. You're talking about context clues. Okay. Fine has evolved in our culture over the years. Is there a worst text you can get from a significant other than fine, period? K. K.

With no period. Actually, what's worse? K with a period? K with a period is probably the lowest of low. Dude, anything with a period. If you end any sentence over text with a period, it's a problem. Huge problem. Oh, my God.

Here's another one. Buckle, which means either to connect or to break or collapse. What about sanction? Sanction means to approve or to boycott? You can just do both, I guess. What language? This is the stupidest fucking language. I sanction this, but it's like, right?

I never thought of that before. Like you impose sanctions, but you also sanction things. I don't. I never thought of that. English is a very complicated language. My mom used to tutor some native Russian speakers on how to speak English. and she was, I was looking over like her course material and like she was trying to teach them different, you know, conjugations and things of that nature. There's a million irregular conjugations in the English language.

It's like you just have to memorize the fucking words. Like you can't, there's no rules with anything. And she was just like, I was looking through her thing and I'm like, this has got to be the hardest language in the world to fucking learn. And everybody has to learn it. It sucks for them. I love just an English teacher just being like, just memorize the fucking words, kids. That's it. Memorize it.

I will say, I want to say, it's not the hardest language to learn, but it's fucking annoying, that's for sure. Feels the most random. Yeah. Like this pod.

Much like the final 10 minutes of every episode of this podcast. Here we go. Perfect. All right. Well, on that note, thank you, Dickie, thank you,

Craig. Thank you. I sanction this pod. I sanctioned this. I don't know. You impose sanctions on Kedarious Tony, but we sanction Kedarious Tony on the chief.

This episode was fine, right? Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you. In excess. In what? I don't know them.

In excess? The I-N-X-S. In excess. I-N-X-S. You're going to recognize it when you pull up the first in-excess song. Never tear us apart. Need you tonight?

How's that going? Don, don, da-da-da-d-d-d-d-d-do. Oh yeah That song feels 80s as hell Are they an 80s band? Oh yeah Yeah I think so

They may They could have started a little earlier But they were definitely famous in the 80s Doa Lipa didn't steal anything from them right Because when you just Craig did his I was like oh do Alepa I should have stayed at home

If I knew better a lot Honestly maybe we're on to something Imagine if we start another lawsuit Called sampling guys guys. Not if you don't give credit. Yeah. Hey-oh.

Mariah Carey, we're still waiting. Mariah, we got to get Mariah into fantasy football. That feels extremely hard. Do you think? I don't know if that's up her alley. I can't imagine she's focused on the Sunday slate in the fall. Oh my God. It does.

The Break My Heart does sample that song. Oh, shit. It does. That is sampling that song. Wasn't that obvious? I mean, I got it immediately. I didn't know that they sampled the song. You just organically figured it out. All right.

I'm so thrilled. Wow. Cool. Wow. That was my first pandemic song. Thank you. All right. All right.

Goodbye, everyone.