The Ringer NFL Show - Week 8 Recap: Jayden’s Hail Mary, Jets Darkness Retreat, and Of Course… Wade Jones

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 8 action by going through categories such as, “Who Won Week 8?,” “FEELING NICEY,” and “Fart or Shart” (2:55). Later, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (01:10:48). Winners and Losers (9:21) The Oppenheimer Award (37:20) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (38:32) Fart or Shart (46:28) FEELING NICEY (48:15) Intrusive Thoughts (52:03) The Arthur Smith Award (54:19) Play of the Day (58:12) The Tyrique Stevenson Worst Play of the Day (59:14) Lucille Bluth Award (66:27) Worst Ref Moment (68:38) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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all of the games after week 8 we are having through the season. Dekke, I think that's a little surreal, don't you feel? It's absolutely flown by. It feels like it's almost the holidays now which is just wild. So yeah, the season is going by really good. Well, it is a holiday. It's National Ted End's Day.

Dude. How many times are they going to say that? I know you guys celebrate. I know. I wanted to do the LeBron meme. Remember that meme of LeBron where he sits down with the two women and he's like, first and foremost, Happy National Women's Day. You can read his lips doing that, and both women go, thank you. I wanted to do that to start today's show, but I haven't to be it to him.

But yeah, happy Tide Ends Day. Did you see tight ends cut more passes today than any other day in NFL history? What the hell? Do you guys know how long we've been celebrating Tide Ends Day? Five years? I don't know. Yeah, 2018. So I guess maybe six.

But yeah. So I didn't want to talk about this to later, but I guess it's just been shoved out of wrote to the point. Who can't, like, what's the point of all this? Big tight end. I don't get the end game. I get inventing other fake holidays. Like, I get Mother's Day or Father's Day or volunteers.

They're all to make you buy shit. What is the end game of the national tight ends? Why are they pushing this? Advertising. It's how advertising works. Awareness of tight ends. That's all they want. What's the product?

They want more money. Who? The tight ends. Who gets out of the trade ends. Get any money from this. They don't get that much money relative to most positions. I don't think they need to raise awareness of tight ends and appreciation of tight ends.

I don't know, I'm making it up. Maybe that's not why it was invented. I have no idea why it doesn't make any sense. I don't know. Maybe it's honestly just feels like the NFL just branding more shit and having more reasons to talk about something. You know what I mean?

And now it's another day we can talk. It's another visual graphic they can put up on the screen. It's like the fourth Sunday of October like it's freaking Thanksgiving. And they're like, Roger Goodell's office. He's like, what if, what can we beat the World Series with?

Tight end. The tight end holiday will be bigger than the World Series. I don't understand. The whole thing's really weird. Well, it works. George Kittle was incredible tonight. It's true. George Kittle loved it. So the Cowboys lost to the Niners. The Niners, almost 30 to 24, the Niners beat Dallas. The game was way closer than it should have been at the end. It was like one of those blowouts that actually became like almost dangerous.

It was like three different games. First half was a slog. I didn't know who was going to win. Then the third quarter, the Niners scored 21 to zero. and the game was over, and then the fourth quarter, Dallas came fighting back and C.D. Lamb, like, doubled his fantasy points over the course of, like, five minutes. Like, absolutely wide open touchdowns.

It's always funny when the best player in a team by far is wide open. That never gets old. C.D. Lamb went from having, like, a mediocre day to being the number one fantasy receiver. Yeah, like 40-something points. 13 catches, 146 yards, two touchdowns. Both those touchdowns, like I said,

I don't know if there was a guy within 20 yards of them. It was bizarre. That was, like, the perfect encapsulation of, like, ideal fantasy garbage time. That is exactly how you envision it. They're like down 17 just enough to where you can't give up. You got to stay motivated. But the defense is also up enough where they can kind of ease off, you know?

We were texting about whether we should start the show early. And if Dak Prescott should be in the burn book and then all of a sudden the Cowboys were like, maybe we can win the game. So I don't know. Dallas, it is what it is. I mean, I will just, I do want to just note that they had three penalties on kickoffs in this game, including the, I know this wasn't. the sexiest play the game.

But the reverse pass on the kickoff that was throwing the ball forward, I was kind of fascinated by that because, one, having three penalties on kickoffs when they have like the kickoff guy, like they're John Fossel, or sorry, Bones Fossil or the special team's coordinator for the Cowbys, he's the guy who like pushed this on the NFL side. How are they have three penalties on the kickoffs? I don't know. I just think it's weirdly emblematic of how Dallas is like the least attention to detailed team in the entire league.

like they, Rico Dowdle gets freaking food poisoning or whatever on the way to the game so they're actually depending on Dalvin Cook because Jerry Jones I think actually can't remember anything that's happened in the last four years. And so you just like Dak Prescott and C. Land looked like they hadn't met until the fourth quarter. Like the whole team

is just like bizarre. It's extremely weird. And then also like in the very last possession when the cowboys were like actually threatening to potentially, you know, tie the game or win the game late there. Dack just started like hucking up deep balls and like the key third and ten or fourth and ten or whatever it was

I think it was third and ten he just hucked a go ball to Kavante Turpin of all people like what do we do it here like I mean turpin The disdain in which you enunciated turpin Yeah no you said you made that sound You know it's also funny you really should have caught it for the record It went off his face mask what did you say

Cavante Turpin Turpin Turpin team. The fact that they're relying on Zeke Elliott and Dalvin Cook like four years after their prime as like their main running backs right now. They don't have a real solid number two at this point.

CD Lamb is the only, you know, big time playbacker. I think now in the NFL, you guys can correct me if you don't think this is true. You need at least two like big time playmakers if you're going to be a good offense. Yeah, the perfect example is every time T. Higgins misses a game, the Bengals get killed. They're all in three without T. Higgins. Right.

I got to say though, if we switch gears, I thought Purdy was awesome tonight. It was a mess, mainly on the cowboy side. Dak looked terrible. Purdy looked fine, but the second half, Purdy really turned it on. He had over 50 yards rushing,

250 yards. I mean, once again, Purdy is just like a little, we were texting about him, and DK said like, shifty little fucker, what did you call him? I think I said,

what did I say? It was like sneaky little fucker or something like that. Because I think it was that one run where he, like, pretended he was going to pass it out and then he just took off running really fast and like the whole defense

just opened up. He's scampers. Yeah, he scampers. That's a great way to put it. He can scoot. I keep coming back to when he pointed out that he had a faster 10-yard split than C-D or than-C. McCaffrey and Devo Samuel, which I still, that's one of those. I can't unsee that.

It's the opposite of an ick. Whatever the opposite of an ick is, I'm just like, oh, wow. It's an erection, an erection, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still think that I still feel like I need the entire concept of athleticism. He explained to me. He literally, he's the least athletic. athletic looking person I've ever seen.

Brock Purdy's faster than Deepo Samuel for the 10 yards. He is not the least athletic person. No, well, you know, at least athletic NFL. He does not look like an animal player when you see it. Brock Purdy? Just if you look at his face, you're like, this guy's super athletic. I guess face alone, I still think like, I don't know,

Eli Manning. Oh, okay, fine. I probably is exaggerating. Just a little, Craig. Brock Purdy is 6.1-220. He said. Eli Manning is a good example. I know, but Brock Purdy is 6-1-2-20. Like, you saw Brock Party in person, you're also not like NFL player. I don't know.

He just has like a baby face. He's a boyish face. Yeah, he doesn't look like he would be a good athlete, you know. He looks like his childhood clothes could still fit him. But no, so I mean, Brock, I was, so Brock Purdy's making $950,000 this year. Dac Prescott makes about $890,000 per quarter. Per quarter. And so, Dak Prescott makes almost Brock Purdy's yearly salary.

every quarter he plays. Dude, that's wild. And when we were talking about DAC's contract this year, I described the whole DAC Prescott Cowboys thing as a potential catastrophe because Dallas could let DAC walk into free agency. And a very smart person that I know texted me

to remind me during the game that I had said that and basically asked if I felt stupid for safe because basically you're watching this team and you're like, man, maybe Dallas didn't need Dak Prescott. I know that's like a bombastic thing to say. But there are times where you watch the Cowbush

tonight and you look at like, there's such a ceiling on this team. I don't think it's fair to put it on DAC. And also obviously like they should have traded him probably before the draft. I'm not saying they should have let him go to free agency. But I think it's probably unfair to put this team on DAC instead of Jerry Jones. But there are so many moments. I don't know what about the playing the Niners breaks Dak Prescott's brain. But the interceptions he threw tonight.

And also Fred Warner just dropped that pick that he just threw directly to Fred Warner at the end of the game. I don't know. Something about Dak. But it's weird because I agree, Craig. Brock Purdy just played so much. better from start to finish, with the exception of the garbage time. Yeah.

Dak is one of the best quarterbacks in the league who will just throw an absolute backbreaking pick to no receiver. Yeah, he hits the wrong. for no reason. Absolutely no one. And then Dak throws a receiver. It's insane. All right.

Let's get to winners and loser the day. I mean, there's not much to talk about here. The winner of the day is Jaden Daniels and the Washington commanders. This team is magical. The team of destiny. I don't know what. I think I've said this like six or seven.

on this podcast. What the hell is going on with the commanders this year? They're just so good. They're unkillable. So Washington with number two pick, Jaden Daniels, plays the Bears, the number one pick that went to the Chicago Bears. I mean, first of, Washington was better than the Bears like the whole game. And then somehow the Bears end up almost by accident taking the lead in the final minute. Washington hits a Hail Mary to win 18 to 15. Best play of the season. One of the best plays I've ever seen. I'm just, I was going to say, like, what was your guys' first reaction? But it was just, holy shit, holy shit, what the fuck, right?

Do you mean best play like it was an incredible play or just like an exciting play? It wasn't, like, skillful. I'm just saying it was like a moment. That's what I was curious. Because remember, the Hail Mary a few weeks ago that Rogers threw, I felt like that was a more impressive Hail Mary in terms of, I think, who was it was at Lazzard who came down with it? That was like, oh my God, he caught it.

He like three flies up it with seven people. This was like a classic, like, cartoon, like dinks off seven dudes right into his hands. Like a Rube Goldberg. Yeah. You know, this was the first game since 1977 where each team scored a go-ahead touchdown in the final 30 seconds?

Oh, wow. Really? 1970. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, because this was a wild game. I actually thought Caleb Williams, like, after playing an absolutely atrocious,

atrocious game for like, you know, the vast, vast majority of the game, he came out and in the fourth quarter, he made some incredible plays, and he brought them down and he led them to what should have been a W. but you know what I don't know what it is about this commander's team they just seem to have that magic like I said

this play was crazy I want to talk about Tyreek Stevenson in a minute here when we're done talking about the commanders but I don't know there is something about Jane Daniels and the commanders that is just special this year for whatever reason they just they have like you guys say this I haven't heard this expression until like a month ago and now I've heard it like 30 times they have a horseshoe up their ass or whatever what is that expression I hadn't heard that a month ago

I think Bill says it a lot. I think that's where I first heard it is Bill would say that. Well, I don't remember hearing it until like a month ago. Now it's like the Bader Meinhoff thing. But it's just the sappy earnestness about sports. It's just, again, I live in Washington, D.C., and I'm a Giants fan, but it is impossible not to notice the wave of fandom that has been like resuscitated around.

I don't know. It really is, it's like the Wizard of Oz. it's like the whole thing was in black and white. Now it's like in color. It's unbelievable. Dan Snyder's gone. It's the other way around. It's like once he's gone, it's like it's lifted.

The clothes is lifted. Yeah. And like Lord of the Rings. I know. I know. They're like, I'm bad a shoe. He like hits it with his staff.

Yeah. It's just like everything's amazing now. And like the video I actually thought there was so many edits of the thing and so many videos. But the one that I love was there was a video of four dudes like 20 something bros walking out of the stadium. And they all jaden Daniel's jerseys on that were. I knew when they had tag sticking out. And I'm like, that is the experience, though.

Like this has become like a show with Washington. It is unbelievable. We also, we're going to have to name this play at some point. Kyle Brandt suggested the Noah's Ark because it was Noah Brown who caught the pass. I think Noah's arc's not that bad. We can work with that. We can work with that. Having said that.

We'll brainstorm. I'll think about that. We have to talk about Tyreek Stevenson, aka number 29, on the Chicago Bears. this is like an all-time terrible moment for any defender. First of all, okay, if you hadn't seen the video, there's a video from the end zone area of the stand someone took, some fan took on their phone.

This is unbelievable. I've never seen someone do this. Okay, Tyreek Stevenson is like walking down the field, like talking shit to the stadium, talking shit to the fans in the end zone area, like while the play is going. He took of like five seconds to realize the play. He's playing in the game.

Like, Jane Daniels walked around or kind of like ran around a little bit for a few seconds, maybe like four or five seconds before he chucked this thing downfield. So Tyreek Stevenson for like, I don't know, literally a solid two to three seconds while the play is happening. It's just jawing at the fans, like not paying attention. With his back to the play. And then he finally notices. And by the way, you can see like Bears fans like in the end zone pointing to the fucking field. Like, hey man, a play is happening.

And then he turns around. You know what's funny is if. didn't do that, they might have won the game. I know, right? Like, if he just kept taunting them, they might have won the game. I mean, maybe it was Washington fans who were just like trying to talk shit back to him. I don't know who they were, but they were all pointing like, hey, man, you're missing. No, there were Bears fans like screaming at him to turn around.

So anyways, he turns around and runs over and goes to, like, knock the ball down. There's like six or seven guys all going up for this jump ball. And he did the Mark Andrews thing. he volleyball set it up perfectly for a wide open no brown to catch it to for it to settle into his hands like a falling leaf like so easily settle like it was the worst play i've ever seen like maybe the worst play i've ever seen tyrick stevenson goes from not paying attention to volleyball setting the ball up perfectly so the guy could catch it for the way it's you know it's funny that that we haven't quite figured out hail mary's because this is not the first time this happens right everybody jumps up it hits everyone's hand it pops up it to the one guy standing behind the group. Shouts out our buddy Jackson Bevins, but he always tweets about that teams should be blitzing on a Hail Mary.

Send four, five, six guys or something, and you won't even have enough time for the receivers to get to the end zone rather than Jane Daniels get six seconds to just cruise around back there and pick his perfect spot. Would you guys agree with that? I don't know.

Maybe it's been tried and it doesn't work, but I feel like it's worth it. Yeah. I don't have that numbers in front of me, but like the most anticlimactic Hail Marys are the one they just get sacked pretty quickly.

It's like, don't even give them opportunity to throw down the field. And on that note, like the play before, they backed off so far that it gave Jane Daniels like a wide open opportunity to pick up 15 extra yards to make that Hail Mary easier. So it's like they're just so conservative and so, you know, like prevent defense or whatever

that it actually ended up like really costing them. So I thought that whole sequence was like terrible by the Bears. The blitzing 100%. That happened to Anthony Richardson today. They like put an extra second on the clock for no reason at the end of Texans Colts and then they just sacked. I went left to a huge mistake. But no, they absolutely, I don't understand.

I think they only rushed three there, though, and they just got to him. Well, they just got to him. Yeah, he kind of screwed that up. But yeah, no, I agree. If you send four on a nail Mary, that's usually enough. But we're letting Tyree Stevenson off the hook here. We have to go back for a second.

I mean, I wasn't. I said it was the worst play I've ever seen. Well, no, but I think we should linger on that because that's not hyperbole and it's not living in the moment. It's like all-time cocky shithead athlete move ever. I think it really is the worst play I've ever seen. But in any sport. They teach you to bat it down. Why is he batting it up in the air, dude?

That's not my problem. It's him shit talking to the face. Yeah, my problem was in yelling at fans during the field, then tipping a Hail Mary to lose a football game in a game between the two next stars at the NFL that was such a big deal. They flexed it to a bigger primetime window because they thought the game was such a big deal.

And then they made Jade Daniels play in that game just for the ratings. I heard they gave him a secret injection into his race. Dude, I can't stress enough. What are the dumbest things any athletes ever done with the mix of, like how dumb it was, the shift in win probability, which is as big as you could possibly have on a place, tipping a Hail Mary to another player,

the stakes of everything involved. I know it's not a playoff game. So you take out a championship thing. It's every other box you could check. I don't want to be a dick. Tyree Stevenson has already tweeted it out. Having said that, this will be his entire life,

will be defined, like Tyree Stevenson's entire life will be defined by this play and it will be in the first two paragraphs of his obituary. Jesus. I don't know about that. This is who he is forever. I don't think it's that high stakes. I mean, whatever, sure.

I was like, my joke after the game was like the bear's defense is going to code read this guy so hard. But then he apologized. Like, he was a big man about it. He tweeted out an apology or whatever. Like, maybe he won't, maybe he'll live this down eventually. But like, yeah, that was like,

really, really tough look for him. It was a very, like, measured and mature response he gave. And it kind of like, I was kind of like, oh, like, I wish he just doubled down. Dude, I know. You got the it because he ended up being too nice. Yeah, that was like a really, now it's like, oh, I feel bad now, you know? You know, I kind of wanted to meme it. Should I, tell me if I should tweet this out.

I kind of wanted to meme the play, because I think the meme's going to be legendary of him yelling with everything going on behind you. God. She's like talking shit three seconds into the play. And you know what's funny is he turns around. It's not even before the play. He notices the play is going on when he turns around. And he doesn't like deer in the headlight sprint.

He kind of just like jogs to the middle of the end of it. He meandered over. Yeah. I almost like, yeah, his, I agree, Craig. The casualness with which when he saw the play had been going on for quite some time almost makes me wonder if he kind of was aware. It's actually weird. I know. On the flip side, let's say he intercepts this pass.

If he intercepts this ball, is it like the most badass thing anyone's ever done? No, because it's like you're not supposed to, you're not supposed to like win the Hail Mary. I think that it would come out later. We're like, wow, that was really cool. I don't know about badass. It would have been really funny if he would have caught that.

Well, both are funny. It's badass, but like you're supposed to, you're supposed to deflect the Hill Mary. It's like being up through a toll booth. The Bears just can't have nice things, man. D.K., what you said about Washington, you're just like this team has a horse show up its ass or there's just something magical about this team.

I really do feel like that. It just works out that way with certain players. Like, I don't know what it is, but it's like, I think Stroud had that last year where it's just like, things just worked out. It was like third and 15s just worked out. And it's like an ineffable quality. And it happens with certain guys who are going to reach that echelon.

and it's not like Caleb's not going to be good or anything like that, but Jade and Daniels has captured whatever that intangible thing is. And there's like, it only happens once every couple years. And it's like shit like this just happens. And it's not something that's a statistic.

You can't predict it. You can't measure it. But it just happens to guys like that. It's like the guy that you hate because he has it all. Yeah. And he's always so happy and like chill. Dude. Never looks like he's under any pressure.

He just goes out there, hucks it up, wins a game. That's because he's got broken ribs, you know. Yeah, no, it's true. I think that we should really start drafting more quarterbacks. Maybe God really does love him more than us.

Damn. God hates the bears. I had that as an original winner. I was just like, God. You know, and that's the difference is like when Aaron Rogers did the Hailberry, they lost that game. Right. You know what I mean?

Like, God didn't actually answer anything for them. So, maybe God does like this is the end where like Rogers was like getting pulled up. He's like, fuck you, big, bro. He's like, flog him. in the first. Suck my. And then it's drop them out. Like, you ruined it.

I mean, to be honest, that's basically what, what's his name was doing? Tyreek Stevens. Yeah. Tyreeks Stevenson. Oh, my God. Dude, he actually was,

Craig. That is actually, that's so funny. Wait, we got to make that edit. We got to make the Tyre Stevenson getting his like, fuck. Suck my.

Oh, no. That's good. That's good. Wait, no, no, pull me up. Yeah, no. Oh, my God. All right.

Anything else that bears at Washington? That was crazy. Wild game. Okay. My other loser for the day, other than Tarek Stevenson. Dude, Aaron Rogers, speak of the devil. Aaron Rogers, Jets lost to the Patriots today, 25, 22. They lost even the Drake May left mid-game to a concussion.

Not even mid-game. Mid-game, we had like three passes. First quarter. Like mid-first drive, basically. Jets fall to two and six, which is the same record as the Patriots. I enjoyed the memes that the Patriots have their lowest expectations for a team in the entire, for lowest expectations for a Patriot season in 25 years. And they have the same record as the Jets with like the highest expectations for a Jets season in 25 years.

So that was incredible. Jets have lost five games in a row. And I know I'm between this and the Tyrick Stevenson thing, I'm kind of on one. But again, not only is this Jets team the biggest disappointment and failure for Jets season ever. I think this is actually on the shortest of short list. for the most disappointing failures any team has had in my entire lifetime. I think it's up there with the Steve Nash,

Dwight Howard, Lakers. I think it's up there with both iterations of the Nets when they had the Durant and Hardin and Kyrie or before that Garnett Pierce. Any pathetic failure of a season you want to pick, I think that this Jets Aaron Rogers experiment will go down right with all of them. Firing your coach

when you didn't need to fire him and then trading for a receiver that you didn't need to trade for and then losing the next two games after that is just about as low as you see. Craig, did you see this tweet from football perspective? The Jets scored 20 plus points committed zero turnovers

and held their opponent to under 250 yards of offense from 1940 until yesterday. So essentially, like, since Cloist Box was running around until today, teams were 756 and 0 when they hit those benchmarks and the Jets lost to the Patriots today 7.526 and 0 they had 20 plus points no turnovers and held the Patriots to less than 250 yards of offense

and they lost. That's disgusting. Finding new ways. I feel like I'm just kind of numb to the Jets being bad. Like at this point I just you expect it. I know that Jets fans are probably in that boat too so it doesn't like register to me as much as it's registering with high fits in terms of like,

this is really disappointing. I'm just more like, ha-ha, Jets. But, dude, the Jets were seven and a half point favorites today. Who would the Jets beat? The Panthers.

The Panthers are the worst team in the one. But that's it. I think that's the thing. Ask that question. It was funny. Like, you're right. Like the Jets should be underdogs to literally 30 teams in the NFL.

I know. I think I agree with you. Like, I don't know who they'd have to play where. I'm like, oh, that's easy. Just to, we just have to,

I, D.K., I know you're numb. Let me see if any of these like cut through. I mean, yeah, yeah. First of all, they ran out of timeouts in the first quarter. Dude, I've never seen that. Aaron, I've never seen that in my entire life. They've running out of time into the first quarter. They kept having delay of gains.

Because Aaron Rogers was like running the clock down too much, trying to get players set and stuff. Joe Caparosa turned on the Jets, uh, theorized this. I think he's dead on. I think Aaron Rogers was shaking off the play calls like a pitcher. Like he was shaking off the plays. And it just kept wasting the fucking time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they had all these delay games.

games. They took a delay of game and a two point conversion, which, like, again, after wasting three timeouts, like, the whole thing is, like, again, this is three timeouts in the first quarter, it's fucking crazy. This is, like, hindsight analysis, I know, but like, do you remember when Aaron Rogers went to Egypt and skipped out on mandatory, like, training camp stuff? And everyone was like, it's fine. He's a veteran. Another shit matters. Like, don't worry about it. He knew he wasn't going to listen to those plays anyway. He was like, I'm just going to call my own shit. Why do I even go to training camp? He probably could have used a few more

practices to get everybody on the same fucking page. Dude, he's like cooking every meal from scratch and he doesn't need to be doing that. He shows up and he's like, I'm going to build every play from the bottom up and I have 30 seconds. It's actually wild. It's like every time I try and help my dad

with a project, he just does it all. And I'm like I'll hang out back here. I mean, I'm not saying that like, my dad's in the wrong, but like he just has his way of doing things. And I don't know how to do any of the stuff he's doing. And so I just kind of like hang out and talk to him. And that's why it's so annoying

when you're planning the project that your dad goes to Egypt to check out who really built the pyramids. People are aliens. And you're like, damn, dad, I really wish I had known ahead

what you were going to do. You know when you're like playing pickup basketball and there's like one guy who's trying to drop like an out of bounds play and you're like, hey man, let's just play the game. It feels like Aaron on every single play

is like on the back of his hand like giving everybody a route to run. And you're going to turn on step four to the left. It's ridiculous. I think this tarnished Rogers his legacy in a way that actually more so than the Brett Farr of Jets season did like by a lot. I actually think we're going to look at Rodgers.

Like how you're talking in the past tense. It tarnished his legacy. It's tarnished. We're mid-tarnish. I mean, look at this. First of all, you couldn't script this. Jeff Oldbrick, the new Jets head coach,

said after the game, he called, he called the loss a moment of darkness. And then the most perfect thing ever, Aaron Rogers. A retreat of darkness. Yes, a retreat of darkness. A darkness. was told that Ulbric said this and Rogers literally deadpanned and said,

I've been in the darkness. You got to go in there and make peace with it. Okay. Kind of a bar. Kind of a bar. This fucking guy. Small win. Legacy untarnished.

It would be a bar if it, under different circumstances, I feel like. Look, they'll probably, they're playing Thursday night against the Texans, which is hilarious. Elite Costanza. Craig, who's your other winner from today? I think we have to give it. up for Jalen Hertz and the Eagles. They beat the hell out of the Bengals, 37-17. They had seven possessions, turned those into four touchdowns, two field goals and a punt. I thought Hertz was great. This was the best Hertz game of the season. He's had no turnovers of the last three weeks.

I thought, he doesn't throw over the middle. Usually he did that a ton today. I just thought everything was working. This was an impressive win. On Thursday, on the Friday show, we were talking about how this was a pivotal game for both these teams. Whoever loses this game was going to kind of slink back into like out of playoffs territory and the winner was going to kind of like, okay, they're officially in this thing. The Eagles are now five and two and the defenses look great. I just think it actually seems like the vibes are starting to turn. It's funny.

I can see how the more the Eagles win, like the stronger Siriani gets and like the more the players start to buy into his bullshit. Like this is what I was saying with Jalen Hertz. Like the method acting thing, all of his corny-ass quotes. Like it didn't work when they were losing. But you string a couple of them. wins together and it starts to snowball and you start to believe in it a little more. And now it feels like this team is like joking on the sidelines.

Siriani, the buzz cuts kind of looking cool now. And it feels like this team is like is slowly coming together. The easiest thing in the world is to maintain culture while you're winning. I think, frankly, the Eagles were built to run all over a team like the Bengals who cannot stop the run. I think that like culture is when you're Mike Tomlin and the Steelers are sucking and he's like, all right, we're going to go out and win nine games anyway. I don't know.

It's probably best for everyone who hates the Eagles for Siriani to remain the coach because he's still a total Gibroni clown. But yeah, they dominated today. They've given up two touchdowns in the last three games. Yeah, we probably should have half that fucking Georgia defense, should we?

I'm not saying to the best team in the league. I'm just saying like, this is the first time. First time this year, I think Eagles fans are like, we might have something again. And I believe that. Joe Burrow was just like, yeah, we did a finish seven and two. This is doable.

Like that's literally what he said. Get T. Higgins back. My God. So he had like a midweek quad injury. On Friday. Somebody ran into his leg, I guess. Dude. So brutal. It's weird that like a season, I know that it's like their season doesn't hinge on only Higgins, but like

it kind of feels like it does. They're only three without him. Yeah. If Higgins is in there, they're like unstoppable offense. Obviously the defense has not been good. But man, as soon as they lose him, it's like, oh, now we've got to throw to Gisicki. And Gisiki made some nice plays this today, but I mean, it's just a different.

Do you guys, is there a particular body part that gives you the ick when you hear about a player getting injured? Turf toe. Oh, for me, it's quad. When I read quad, I'm like, come on. Like, you should be able to play through a quad. I've, like,

hurt my toe before and, like, you can't do anything if you have an injured toe. I know, but it just says toe, and it's funny. I know. I know. Did he just have a quad contusion? I was going to say, but my quads, I'm like, yeah, it's like I can totally get how a quad is a problem. I don't feel like I know what a pulled quad even feels like. I don't think I've ever pulled my quad before.

It was like a bruised quad. I don't think they're normally pulled. I think it's hard to pull a quad. I think it's easier to bruise a quad because that's running into it. You get like a huge ass bruise and you can't move your leg. NFL bruises have nothing in common with normal bruises. NFL bruises are car crash bruises. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like your entire leg is just. red. Do you have an injury where you're like, really? Um, oh, also quarterback's when they get the little finger injury. Good question. Malit finger. Malit finger. Come on, bro. You're a fucking football player. I'm just like midweek quad. I'm like,

fucking play. Oh, look, I'm fully aware how I sound. I'm sure it was bad. Yeah. All right. Craig, any other losers from this week other than all the losers who, um, missed the games with the quad. I don't think we could move on from winners and losers without mentioning Anthony Richardson as a loser. I saw a tweet today from Brandon Carney. He's verified.

I'm not sure who he is. But his tweet says... Yeah, verified. That means a lot. His tweet says... I think he has like $17,000. I mean, I'm not saying anything bad about this individual person, but verified tells us exactly nothing. There's so many bots that are verified out.

Take 60 seconds right now. Look at the camera and talk to Brandon. No, no, go ahead. Brandon tweeted, ooh, look at me. I'm Anthony Richardson. I either throw a 70 yard TD or shit my pants. That's exactly right. Dude, sometimes I literally think Anthony Richardson

might be like the worst quarterback in the league by a wide margin. Sometimes I'm like he's worse than Will Levis. He finished the game 10 for 32 today. It's like really, really tough. Dude, I bet that's never happened. We should look that up. I bet that's a score coming.

I bet there's never been a quarterback who actually completed exactly 10 of 32 passes. He was two for 15 at the half. He had two completions at the half. Austin Gail, our buddy at the ringer, who has switched, now that Deshawn Watson's after the year, I think he's set his sights on Anthony Richardson stats. He's just put, all the servers are running overtime,

looking up stats on Anthony Richardson. The entire cloud. Yes, he's reprogrammed the space station to focus on Anthony Richardson now. And this is the stat he dropped today. Anthony Richardson rakes 22nd in completion rate among the 225 quarterback. with however many dropbacks since the year 2000. So basically, of all the quarterback since the year 2000, he's the third worst in completion percentage.

You know who he's right behind or right in front? I can't remember. Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow, who's hilariously listed as a tight end. Also, next outfielder. You're like, you have the same completion percentage as a tight end. That gave me the end. It might be time to, no, I'm not giving up.

I'm not giving up. But yeah, right. Having said that. He also played a man. Amazing. Yeah. It's like he's so bad. He is so bad sometimes. And yet he had an absolute dime to downs, two dimes to downs. He had an absolute beautiful ball. The Tyler Goodson touchdown went right through his hands. He had a touchdown to A.D. Mitchell that was barely out of bounds. So there's somebody posted a, it's one whole minute of Anthony Richardson getting no help from his receivers. Just like one full minute of drops by his receivers. That's the thing. It's like it should have been a 15 for 30. He should have been 50% 400 yards. But he just like he doesn't do anything normally.

And he's like he's like a golden retriever a little bit because he's like he almost wants it too much. He's like trying so hard. Every time he gets sacked he'll never go down. He will like throw a 400 pound man off him to keep going and then throw a horrible pick. He wants it too much except for that one play he took himself out because he was tired.

Oh my God. Which I don't think has ever happened at any level. That was weird. I've literally never seen that before. I don't think. Have you guys seen a quarterback be like, I'm tired? I need to come out on third down. Maybe it's happened, but I've certainly never heard somebody admit it.

No, they would have the decency to lie about it. You know, you need to lie about these things. Like, I don't know, my shoulder. I thought I fucked up my shoulder. And then I got to the sideline, it felt better. It's like with Lamar shit is banned to pretend it was a cramp. Take that to the grave, dude. But yeah, yeah, it is really weird because simultaneously, I thought he had like the worst

game I've ever seen. And also, like, he was pretty impressive at times, too. He's like Shrodinger's quarterback. And they almost won it. It was like 23 to 20. Shrodinger's quarterback. It is. It is true.

Yeah, I don't know what to do with him. Fuck. Josh Downs having a huge ass day, like after I was basically like, okay, you could probably just drop Josh Downs. And now I think I'm like, classic fantasy. Now it's like Michael Pittman's like I don't, I don't care for Michael Pittman. Jonathan Taylor looked awesome though. Oh, he's great.

Most underrated running back in the league right now. But you want to know what's funny about this whole thing. Next week, they play the Vikings. Oh, my God. That's going to be appointment television. That'll be number one on my... Over under seven and a half completions. I think the line should be a little higher.

Maybe we should do this on Thursday, genuinely. Yeah, that's actually... Yeah, that's good. Completions are points for the cults. What's higher? Completions giving like two. All right. Any other winners, D.K.?

I just got one small one. I want to get through really quickly here. It's the Lions. for being at the apex mountain of complimentary football today, winning 52 to 14 over the Titans. At one point in the game, they had 49 points with 26 pass yards. Like,

they ended the game with 52 points, obviously, they had a 90-yard punt return by Kleefe Raymond. Their defense force for turnovers, at least I think I count it four, two picks, two fumble recoveries, and their offense was absolutely unstoppable. Run game was dominant.

Jimere Gibbs, absolutely electric, explosive, David Montgomery threw a touchdown pass. Basically, they've completed the circle of toughness. This is an expression that Pete Carroll used to use. Special teams, defense, offense. All of them are clicking so together, so like in unison. It's just so fun to watch. So anyways, complimentary football, all three phases.

This was the team that we're, this was our Cassanza potential bet here with the Titans, and that did not age well because the Titans got absolutely boat, raced by an absolutely just complete team in the Lions. This has to be the widest gap in the history of the NFL passing yards to points, right? Yeah, I would have to imagine. It was crazy. It was 86.

86 passing yards to 52 points like that. There's no way that's ever happened. Yeah. Actually, actually, when Shepra Kelly was playing. Before they were doing the forward pass a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

No, yeah. The whole game was insane. They had 49 points until they like got to the 20 yard line. It's a really weird game. All right. Yeah, Lions are winning the Super Bowl. I am become death Oppenheimer Award for the player who went nuclear. First of all, just tight ends.

I mean, we mentioned tight ends. 175 catches most catches by tight ends on national tight end day. We're not giving this shit any more airing. But yeah, the tight ends played really well. Yeah, can I just say four of the best 10 tight end performances of the season happened today. What? I, uh,

that is like nominate of determination. And next week it's going to be the least probably, right? Yeah, it was like, it was Kelsey Otten, Kyle Pitts, shouts out, and one more, maybe Brock Bowers. Kelsey did his first touchdown at the year, which was a huge ache for me. I don't think it was Brock. I forget who it was, but yeah. Cade Otton was the guy that I wanted to bring up in this category. Oh, yeah, Cade, yeah.

With Godwin and Evans out this week, Otten is like essentially the team's number one now. Over the last two weeks, he's caught 17 passes for 181 yards and two touchdowns. He's the tight-ed one over the last two weeks. that's probably bad for the Buccaneers overall because he's not like a super dynamic player but he's absolutely stepped up and is a must start every week at least until Evans gets back.

So continuing this tight end conversation but moving on to our next category here of it's so over and we're so back. I actually think we have to do it. I think it is so over for our beloved category of two tight ends who outscore Kyle Pitts and a lie. I think that we have to.

in the category. It's time to rename it. Kyle Pitts had four catches for 91 yards and two touchdowns. Kyle Pitts had the second best tied-in fantasy day of the year. I think that it's over for two tight-ins about square cowpits in a line. Can we end this? Are our little guys all grown up? Yeah.

For the record, we discussed maybe retiring this last week and then today's today's performance was just like put it over top. This is like, dude, look, when you love something, you have to let it go. It's just like we're dropping him off of college saying goodbye, leaving him in the dorm. I will say for the first. I was going to talk about Grant Calcutera. God. For the first time since I think maybe when he was at Florida, he had a play where I was like, oh, this is why he was a top five pick. I agree with you. I think I know what play you're talking

about. It was the play where he almost fumbled at the one. He arguably did fumble before he went into the end zone, but they didn't call it. Very nearly the second dumbest play of the day. But like he caught like a little slant. He in the stiff arm, my favorite playing football, I've said this before in the pod. My favorite play in football is the reverse stiff arm where you stiff arm a guy that's coming from and like you just shove him to the ground. Larry Fitzgerald used to do this all the time. And he did that. And then he like ran,

you know, he ran away from the defense. He looked awesome. He looked explosive. This is like the dynamic big time pass catcher, big play creator that I expected him to be. And certainly the Falcons expected him to be when they drafted him that high over Jamar Chase. So yeah,

that was cool to see him like finally do that even though technically probably gloated early and almost fumbled into the end zone. But yeah, he looked really good. good in that play of particular, but just over the last couple of weeks, he's been really going off. Craig, any, uh, we're so back. It's so over. Dude, the Browns were so back. The Browns are so back. They won, they won, beat the Ravens, 2924 today. James, 3334 yards, three touchdowns.

I was waiting for that. Jerry, Judy, Elijah Moore, Cedric Tillman, all had the most yards of the season. Dishon Watson's never thrown for 300 yards with the Browns and his 19 games is a Brown. James Winston and Joe Flacco have done that six out of seven times. That's fucking crazy.

Imagine if the Browns had been trying to win this whole season. How good they'd be. Dude, their defense has been fine all year. I don't know. I mean, look, James was still James. He had like picks dropped.

I mean, there was a horrible Kyle Hamilton pick that should have lost the game. The game should have been over there. Oh, my God. That was, oh. It's the perfect James experience. He throws a horrific pick that gets dropped and then a dime to Cedric Tillman.

Essentially win the game. Another guy who's out of here just talking about God and everything and just like pure faith. And then like something like that happens. And I'm like, that's probably a better way to live. Does it not feel like James Winston is like memorizing lines for these interviews? Dude, you mean this? Dude, I thought he was like memorizing lines too. And he's like giving this like, we're going to go in a battle, all this stuff.

And then he's like, represent the name of the back of your jersey. represent the logo on your helmet. Oh, wait. We don't have decals on our helmets. But, like, it's the Browns. Like, they do everything. I'm like, dude, he's, I actually think there's no one else on earth quite like James Winston. He's a little too earnest for me.

I don't really like all that stuff. It's beyond earnest. It's like, it's like, it's cryptic almost. Did you also see how he had the E to W shirts on sale? Oh. Should we get one? Yeah. I will say, it is, it is really nice.

to that he's opening up this offense and making, you know, some players fantasy worthy or fantasy relevant, I should say, like Elijah Moore. Craig, weren't you in on Elijah Moore a couple weeks or was that hyphids? I still have my shares, haven't sold. I kind of sold, I'll be honest,

but he looked pretty good out there today. Cedrick Tillman. Cedriced looks like a star. He looks great. Is this the next freaking, Nico Collins? Yeah. In that moment, it's not to show.

Like, he barely played at all last year. And I was like, okay, he's just going to be another random third round pick who never does anything but he looks really good Jerry Judy still on the team

not really doing anything much but yeah he had a good day today he had a fine day he had a fine day he said anyone else what he finished dead last yeah

anyone else sew back DK we're so back Marvin Harrison is good again thank God Marvin Harrison had he looked really good today he did he had let's see here

six sketch catches 111 yards in a touchdown. I counted like three or four really difficult catches. Like ones where he like he probably shouldn't have caught that. Like he there was one where he had to like full on dive, full extension, brought the ball in. They initially I think called it incomplete and then they reviewed it.

And it's like he caught it. He burned Jalen Ramsey too. He looked like Maserati, Marv. Like he looked fast again and then he finished it with that crazy catch. Yeah. And Josh Norris pointed this out on Twitter, but it seemed like they are kind of figuring out better ways to use him.

Like early in the season, they're just like having him run the hardest. routes, the lowest probability, the lowest, like, you know, chance of completion routes in their offense. And now they're giving him, like, crossers, things that he can get a little run after they catch because he's good at that. He has some good speed. And he's, he's playing faster.

Like, frankly, he played really slow early on in the season. I think he's just getting more comfortable and, you know, starting to do his confidence back. So I don't know, Marvin Harrison, he looked really good. He looked like a top three pick in this game. So that was cool to see. Yep. My other words, so back speaking of that Cardinals Dolphins game.

is the Miami offense, which it would be a much better story if Miami won. They lost. Honestly, the dolphins blew the game. They were up, I think they were 23 or something.

I mean, sorry, Carlos, but yeah, Miami totally blew it. The defense, you know, they had,

David of Bradley Chubb or Jeline Phillips or Zach Sealer or Javan Holland in this game. But the offense, like, looked really good immediately to it came back and just,

D.K. Texitos is to it, like, yeah, the actual MVP of the NFL. I'll do it early. I'll do it early in the show, but this is one of my intrusive thoughts

from this, from this game was like, is in the strictest interpretation of the award, is Tua like actually the MVP of the NFL? Like the, the offense is non-functional when he's not in there. They are literally last few yards per play. They're the worst.

Yeah, the worst offense in the NFL by far, despite the fact they have Tua, or sorry, despite the fact they have Tariq, A-chan, Waddle, Rup Mostert. Tua unlocked all those guys today. Like, immediately.

The way he gets the ball out so quickly, you know, the way that he can pass over the middle of field, throw with anticipation. I don't actually believe he's the MVP, but like if you're like, if you're doing like a strict, strict interpretation.

Football war, yeah. Wins above replacement. It's just like everyone other than two is Deshawn Watson basically. Yeah. So anyways, I don't know. I obviously, you know,

they didn't win, but I had that thought. They were 11 of 15 on third down. Devon. Devon H. Had 10 carries for almost 100 yards and these six catches for 50 yards. And then Mostern also had a couple touchdowns. So,

I mean, they were both like top 12 running backs today or so. So, yeah, it's exactly what you wanted in the Miami offense. Their offense straight up just doesn't work without two. And he slid, too, was the crowd. The crowd, that was the highest the crowd or the loudest the crowd cheered in the entire game was when he slid. They were like, they were like encouraging him essentially to slide. This is Apex Mountain for crowds influencing what players do.

Well, well, sorry, Stevenson. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying today. Oh, today. Today it was like two plays. The last two weeks, the last two weeks, crowds have been like the MVP, like, with the Georgia game. Yeah, that's really good on the field or whatever. This year, Apex Mountain for crowd participation.

Yeah. That's pretty good. We have to get a little more serious here. Okay. It's time for Fartor Sharp. Craig. Daniel. Oh, God.

Why is it always made? Daniel. Through two games, Devante Adams is now averaging less targets, less catches, and less yards. with Aaron Rogers and the Jets than with his three games on the Raiders earlier this year. Today, he had seven fantasy points. After two games with the Jets,

is this a fart in the wind or a shart in the shorts? It's a fart in the wind, I think. Buying low on the Jets. Yeah, well, I don't know if I'm like buying it necessarily, but he was matched up. I need to look at like the stats because he was probably matched up with

what's his name? Christian Gonzalez. I think he was moving around. I think they were saying. Okay, so that's probably not the only reason he had a slow day. Christian Gonzalez also got rocked by Brian Thomas one week ago.

Also last week, Devante Adams sucked also. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, those are all salient points. Okay, he's like, it's starting to smell pretty bad in here. Maybe it isn't a shirt. How about it's not a fart in the wind, but it's a fart in a really,

it's like an elevator fart. it smells like shit and you're like okay there's no air in here waiting on these doors so you really feel like so you feel like this is a buy-a-low opportunity for Devante no I don't know

I don't necessarily encourage you to buy any of the Jets offensive players however I don't think that this is going to be the story it's not going to be the story all year it's not a chart okay all right fine

Devante Adams is too good and I think it's just a matter of time before they start to link up okay all right next category here. The John Gruden got me feeling nicey award, which gets ready.

Sean Tucker, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Who is this guy? Over 100 yards, 9.7 yards of carry. Rick Flair would love you. He times the ho. So well. Bo Nix

28 to 37, 284 yards. I couldn't do that in pre-game warm-ups. Dude, Bonex looked good today, man. He looked really good. It's the Panthers. Can we throw it out? It's the Panthers, but also, you know,

maybe it's just going to be really good for his confidence. Maybe they're going to start to get a little momentum here. But yeah, it was the Panthers, but he looked really good. He made some incredible throws. He scored a rushing touchdowns. He had four total touchdowns. Where is he on the year? Remember my take purge where he's going to end up as the number one,

he's top 12 quarterback? Right now he's the QB 13. He was the number two quarterback today. literally only other than Jaylon Hertz. Yeah, he was incredible. I gotta say it started out slow. Didn't feel great about that take early in the season. But he runs even more than I was expecting.

So that's a big thing. I think Bo Nix and fantasy kind of need to start playing. In real life, I still think the Broncos are total frauds and that I still think even though they're five and three, they finish under 500 as a team. But Bo Nix running is legit, but also the Panthers, like all the Broncos wins have mastered it.

They're the bad good team. That's what Denver is. All their wins are. kind of fake. They're kind of like Dallas. Doesn't that mean they're the good, I never, is it good bad or bad good good, good, good that makes more sense? I think that what's the bill thing? So, Bill's, the good bad team

is the bad team that plays, like Cardinals were the bad good bad team last year. Right, because they play up to their competition. Yeah, the bad good team is the team that you think is good, but actually sucks because they just beat up on bad teams. Like how the Cowboys have only beaten like Justin Fields with the Steelers and Daniel Jones with the Giants, terrible

quarterbacks. Anyway, the Broncos are five and three. I know. That's a, they're the good bad, dude, again, all their wins are kind of fake. Craig. You know who's got me kind of feeling, you know who's got me feeling nicey? Ladd McConkey. Six target, six catches 111 yards, two touchdowns. Honestly, though, like last four weeks, Lad's kind of coming on.

For those of you who don't remember, in August, when I gave my sleepers, not only was it Josh Palmer. I added Ladd. It was Josh and Ladd, Ladd and Josh, and I decided to, and I stuck with Josh. Admittedly, I leaned a bit more on Josh. However, Ladd is playing, he, Ladd just looks good. This is like the connection. He's like the, the reliable third down guy here. And Palmer had a decent day today, 72 yards. But yeah, I mean, as Quentin Johnson's been hurt, Ladd looks good. A lot of these rookie guys are starting to come around. This is, we're getting close to the second half of the season. Lad will probably be a lot better in the second half than it was in the first half of the season. Herbert's thrown a little more.

Ladd-McConkie is averaging almost exactly the same amount of points per game as James and Rashid Shaheed. And, by the way, slightly more than Marvin Harrison, Jr. Yeah, Ladd's been good. He's the wide receiver 27 right now. The play today that he made where he caught the ball and ran after the catch and basically ran away from the defense on like a deep crosser was the quintessential, like how I pictured Ladd McCocky from college. Like he was so good at Catcher the Pass and just instant acceleration

running away from defenders and creating after the catch. So that was really cool. And yeah, he's definitely coming on. And obviously he has earned Justin Herbert's trust and the team's trust. All right. Intrusive thoughts.

Again, just things, you know, you think about DK. You mentioned that earlier you had the two MVP thought. That's intrusive. I alluded to this earlier. My intrusive thought was I think Roger Goodell personally pitched National Tident's Day and that's why no one has the juice to just be like

cancel this thing. Yeah. I think it was like Goodell's son or something that's my intrusive thought. It was like it was his Christmas gift like his nephew in 2018. Yeah, exactly. Craig, what's your intrusive thought? Sometimes I don't think Caleb Williams is going to be good.

Again, this is a safe space but he had like four completions for most of the game today. He had 38 yards at some point in the fourth quarter. quarter passing. And it's not like they're playing the Vikings today. You know what I mean? Like, um, there are, there are much like Anthony Richardson. I'm not comparing them. But like, there are moments where he looks awesome. But there are some moments where I'm like, I don't know. I could see it being year three and he's kind of doing the same shit. That's all.

Yeah. I think that, I think I don't have that feeling either or I don't have that feeling, but yeah, there was times where he was like really, really playing poorly. It's hard for me to separate because I think Shane Waldron, like the number of just stupid-ass base. The offensive line is terrible. The stupid-ass plays. I know. Caleb Williams was

pressured. I saw this at like 52% of his dropbacks today. Like he was and they were it was the fastest time to pressure I think of any quarterback this season on average. Like he was getting under pressure like almost immediately every play. So I know that sounds like I'm making excuses for him. He was playing poorly.

I will admit that. But there was like these mitigating circumstances, especially like Shane Waldron. It's like Caleb is DK's son. Well, yeah, and I don't want it to be that way because I want to like go into this and like be unbiased throughout the rest of his career. But like, I don't know, the way he played in the fourth quarter, especially and put them in a position to win. Yeah, he was great. I felt like, okay, I'm not going to get on get too hard, be too hard on him for this game because he, really, he made some incredible plays late in the game.

Shane Waldron, come on, man. What are we doing here? Should we talk about that right now? Worst plays? Sorry, the Arthur Smith Award for the coach that pissed you off the most? Sure. Let's just skip to it because Shane Waldron absolutely has outdone himself. Do you remember that play?

Describe the offensive lineman run. Do you remember, yeah, do you remember the play? I think it was like in week one or two where they ran on fourth and two from the two-yard line, a speed option that lost like seven yards. Now no one's going to remember that. That's the good news for Shane Walser. The bad news is this is probably worse. 621 to go, third and one from the one yard lane.

They were trailing 12 to 7. They couldn't get shit going on offense at all, the entire game. And they decided to dial up a fullback dive to a backup offensive lineman. Just give it to your running backs, man. The guys that have experience carrying the football, receiving handoffs. and of course the offensive lineman like threw it he basically you know I've mentioned this before you know when you're like

just walking along and then you like start to juggle your phone and then you actually like kick it and it goes like 40 feet I did that today I almost texted you so did Josh Allen Josh Allen did that today walking to the bathroom I threw my phone you end up literally just like batting your phone at like 50 miles an hour and it like shatters

like that's essentially what he did with the football this backup offensive lineman I don't even remember his name It doesn't matter. Just give you the ball to a fucking running back, man. Shield Capadia posted this right after. And I think this is such a great take. He goes, every team needs one. Hell no, we're not doing that coach on its staff.

Get the veto power on one dumb idea every week. Because remember, if this play is on the playbook or whatever, they've practiced this before. Like, somebody has to step in and say, look, man, can we just maybe give it to like a guy who's used to carrying the football and receiving handoffs? and this is like the majority of what he does in his life is like take handoffs and run. Right.

Yeah. It's like big dom is like physical security. We need like a big dom for play calling. It's like, no, we're not doing that. We're just not doing that. Yeah. Get back guy. Get back guy.

Get back guy needs to be expanded. Also, how much money do you think that offensive lineman who fumbled the ball should pay Tyring Stevenson as a thank you for no one remember this? Truly. Truly. He owes him thousands of dollars. God, that was frustrating. The other, yeah, the other coaches that just, I mean, again, I mentioned the Jets not having,

it's really Aaron Rogers's fault, but having no timeouts in the first quarter. I've never seen it. Yeah, also shout out the Broncos ran a fake field goal with up 21 in the fourth. And you know what? I feel like everybody on line was getting mad at Sean Payton. When the lions do it, it's cool. But when the Broncos do it, it's lame. I'm sorry.

I think it's the lamest thing in all of sports. And I hope I've never done this. I'm going to make sure I go, I've never done this probably, is when people complain about running up the score. Dude, I totally agree. If I've ever had that, the opposite of that take, I apologize and that person wasn't me.

And I'm, I rescind that take. I think it's the lamest thing to complain about another team running of a sport. This is the NFL. This is pro football. Like, this isn't Alabama versus like Dayton or whatever. Like,

these teams are getting paid a lot of money to like, be professional football teams. There's no such thing as running up the score. Every team should try and run up the score every single game. That's my take. It should be a point of pride to run off the score as much as humanly possible every single game. Should I become a Sean Payton guy? I'm kind of debating it.

I'm really, last week we were talking about how he's a fraud. Yeah. They're crashing in the burden. They play the Panthers. I know. But like I just think it's like it'd be cool if I was into Sean Payton. I think you're buying the peak.

No, but like not even that. Just like it's funny. I should just like be a fan. of his. As a bit. Yeah, like, he said Bo Nix is going to be like, he reminds him of Patrick Mahomes.

Like, I just, it might be fun to just, like, support Sean Payton and kind of ride that ride. All right. Next up. Play of the day,

I mean, it's play of the year is the Jaden Daitles. Oh, Mary. Noah's Ark. That's the play of the year. I don't know. I don't know about that name. He's like Noah's arc.

The only other one I want to shout out of just Bradley Bow's been kicking the shit out of the Saints lineman who was trying to break just herbert's leg. That one, that play stirred. that stirred something deep inside me. That was like a primal moment. Yeah. If you didn't see it, yeah, yeah.

A guy did an old school gator roll on Justin Herbert's leg. He had thrown the ball and then a guy grabbed his leg and then literally tried to grab and twist it like he was trying to like shred his knee from the base. It was a Bush League play. And then Bozeman saw it. The center. Came in like a bad out of hell. It was like fucking death from above. He like, he came down on him.

And then he was like giving him four. shivers to the neck. It was like, it was like a UFC finish. Yeah, it was like finishing a UFC fight. Yeah. Bradley Bozeman.

It's still something inside me. fired me up so much. Yeah. That was badass. Worst play of the day. I have a question. Can we rename this the Tyreek Stevenson

worst play of the day? Sure. I think we should rename it. I think we should. The only thing I, this is obviously Tyree Stevenson is the winner. I do want to just shout out

all the Ravens drops between Kyle Hamilton dropping the ball in his hands that they would have won the game. And then James literally wins the game on the next play. And also the ultimate ick, Rashad Bateman, Lamar Jackson rolling right, launching left, a ball that probably traveled 35 or 40 yards in the air, hit Rashad Bateman in the fucking face. And he lost it in the sun and bounced off his head. That was not a good look.

That's the worst place. It could hit. And also I just want to shout out Connor Williams to Seahawks Center, who not only did he at the one-yard line in the first drive, snapped the ball 30 yards over Gino-Smith's head, like, yak-a-de-sacks. But then on the next drive, then when they got back to the one, stepped on Gino-Smith's foot on fourth and one, that had him think a sack.

Yeah, that was really, really rough. Not a lot of things went well for the Seahawks today. I was going to have them as one of my losers, but let's be honest. I think they are just frauds at this point, right? I kind of got excited about them last week after they beat the Falcons, but, yeah, not so much anymore. I think they need D.K. Metcalfa lot. Yeah.

It's kind of like the T. Higgins thing. My worst play of the day is, did you guys see that the Miami Heat unveiled the Dwayne Wade statue outside of the arena? What the fuck was with this thing? This is like the Rinalo Cristiano thing all over again. The hit rate, I think we need something else maybe other than statues. The hit rate on statues is really low.

It's just hard. It's hard to recreate a human person. How is it hard? Like Michelangelo's walking around. We have AI. Like, how is it hard? Like, it's, it clearly is. I don't know.

It's clearly hard. I mean, why don't they make them out of plastic so they're not messed up, you know? They could do like a wax thing. Get like a 3D printer. How is, the metal is not the problem. What I don't understand is we literally have photos. We have 3D rendering. Like, there were no many fucking photos that are of Dwayne Wade millions.

Like, how the fuck? It looks like Dwayne. It looks like they made a statue of Dwayne Wade when he's like 80. It looks like Thanos. It looks like Thanos and Ed. It looks like Thanos and Ed. Harris as a statue. It does.

Wait. If you're listening, I'm going to read this. Like Ed Harris. Oh my God. Someone put the statue photo on the, that photo of LeBron doing the dunk with Dwayne Wade running by. And they put the statue's face on Dwayne Wade's face. And it looks so good.

That doesn't look even remotely like Dwayne Wade. It's not even close. It's so funny. I don't know. I don't know. Like maybe get the Madam Tussos people to like just, make wax figurines because that would look good.

I don't know. Do you think it's possibly related to the Miami Heat having the same judgment of the team that decided to name their fucking arena FTX Arena? Do you think that

that could possibly be related? They hired Pat Riley's son to make the statue? I don't know. This is same yeah, same Bankman Fried made the statute. It's bad.

And Wade was looking at it. You could tell he was like, you think he really had never seen it? Did they give him approval? I was, So we were on with Austin earlier, and Austin was like, we had statues down like a couple thousand years ago. We had this.

I know. I know. We have regressed. It's actually like the oldest art media. Right. It's the first. That's because we don't spend time on anything anymore. I used to take them 30 years to make a statue.

Now they crank it out in two weeks and it looks like, shit. Austin just tweeted. He just said a tweet. Dwayne Wade said, who is this guy when he looked at the statue? No, that's a joke, right? That's not. It's got to be real. everything on the internet is real

that's not real wait we have to find out I'm not sure do you guys think he had never seen it I think so because they probably they wouldn't have done this if he had seen it don't you think well or is it for the show of it

you have to unveil it Austin says he really did say it wait he does say it he says who is that guy no fucking way oh my God who is that guy he says who is that guy

Dwayne Wade's had a tough go do you guys remember I could be super wrong about who it was. I think it was like the mayor of, was it the mayor of Miami? There was some woman announcing Dwayne Wade at a Miami Heat game, and she called him Wade Jones. He's come, collected, has a will to win because his name, of course, is Wade Jones.

Yeah. Yeah, this is crazy. It's the funniest video of all times. She goes, his name, Of course. Wade Jones. And Dwayne Wade just goes, who that is? The funniest shit I've ever seen.

The second time in his career, he's had to say who that is. He's like, I was a really good player. Why can't people remember what I look like or what my name is? They're just like the pure confidence in the woman. To just add the flare of, of course, you didn't have to do that. Of course. His name? Of course. It's just so, it's so good.

Oh, my God. If you have any doubt, don't say, of course. Of course. She didn't have any doubt. That's what it's so good. I think. Wade Jones. The second time in his career, he's tried, they're honoring him. He had to say, who is that?

That's Wade Jones. The stagues of Wade Jones. God just texted us. It's like when John Travolta called her Adina Mansell, Adel Dezine. And he goes, the wickedly talented Adel Dizzee. Oh, my God. You can't stop that in flares. Stop improvising.

The wickedly talented. Adel Dazine. Deltzine. Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com for other clubs like that. Wade Jones and Adel DZee. What's worse? I don't know. Wickedly talented.

The wickedly talented. I might add that in the new intras. His name of course. I'm sorry by the wickedly talented Candy Deli and Clark Cogback. His name? Of course. Of course.

All right. Moving on. Who was that woman? I forget. I got to find it. Who was that? I'm crying I don't know

I feel like I'm crying This is the closest like emotion to crying Who was Kai? Can we play? Kai, wait, can we play that?

We got to find that. We got to find this. Craig sent him. Oh, I got it. I found it. I don't know who this woman is, though. I found the video, though. I'll send it.

Do you know who the woman? is. I don't know if anybody does. All the players look up when she says Wade Jones. She says he's calm, collected, has a will to win. Shock! It's at the parade. It's at the, like, they're wearing

champion shirts. Shock is there. Dwayne Wade turns around when she says it. He looks back up at the stand looking for Wade. Oh my God. It's good. You can't beat that. You can't write that.

Emails at Rear Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. All right. They're all looking in the crowd. Who are you in asking? Oh, my God. Do we just finish? Do we just end the show? No, wait.

Let's at least do. Lucille Bluth, I got to say. The stout line that I won't respond to, Nick Westbrook Aquina has three touchdowns in the last three games. I just got to put that out there. Only him and a Monrae St. Brown have done that. D.K. Did he try to shout Nick Westbrook-Kine out on the Friday show, and I took that as a thing as a sign.

You were insulted. You spent too much time on the Titans. He has four catches and three touchdowns last week. My Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line and what respond to it is, as often, Gail keeps banging the table out. The Raiders have the worst rushing offense in the 21st century. Like, they're literally the worst by EPA per play. And I also think yards per carry, they're really low, too. But they straight up the worst rushing offense in the NFL.

Like in the 21st century. There's a lot of worsts of the century this year. It's like Anthony Richardson's completion percentage, Deshawn Watson, the Raiders rushing run game. Everything is hyperbole now. The real answer is because we're using a lot more true media. And true media is amazing, but true media goes back to 2000. And so it's like a really nice pithy way to say like since 2000.

It probably goes back further. But we don't have it since then. So branding. Everything's so extreme these days though. You're right, Craig. It's either the best or the worst. Ain't that the truth. Worst referee moment.

other than just the Carl Pitts fumble being left as a touchdown because they don't have pylon cameras, which what the hell is that? Were they saving money and not having pylon cams? You have a TV truck at every place. Have a fucking pylon cam. How hard is that? Don't get that. But also the Thursday of football, the Sam Darnold face mask, I know that was like a few days ago,

but the Vikings Rams game ending because Darno was face masked and the rest were like, oh, oh, didn't see that. That was pretty tough. I know. Isn't there a, does the, what's it called? like the replay assist can they not do that for penalties? I don't, I am not going to lie,

I don't understand how replay assist didn't step in there. I feel like that's the entire concept of what they were going for. And ironically, because it was a safety that was a scoring play. Yeah, dude, and speaking of replay assist, did we not all watch the game end in the Colts game and then they just added a second?

What the fuck was that? Everybody was like, no, the clock definitely ran out. Yeah. It did. That was really weird. And then it was a quite apparent on replay. Yep. And the announcers,

Nope, put one second on the clock. You could kind of feel the announcers were like, I don't know if he got that off, John. And then when the refs put the second back on, they kind of just let it go and moved on. Like Goodell got on the line. He's like, shut the fuck up. And then they were going to try to hail marry it.

They rigged it. They, you know, they were going to have the hell marry and then Anthony Richardson screwed it up. That's why they had to let Jade Dandos do it. All right. Weird day in the NFL. Weird day.

Two tight ends who outscored Kyle Pitts and a lie, RIP, to this category. There were literally not two. There weren't even two. Wow. There was only one. Email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. If you have a suggestion for a future player, that should be the new. Who's the most disappointing player right now?

I think we need to find a new Kyle Pitts. We need to adopt a new Kyle Pitts. We should think about it. We can give out our burn books for the week. Maybe it can be that guy. There is a guy who I think is kind of fitting the most. mold. High Fitz,

maybe you see where I'm going here. Two out of the three of us hate this player. Oh, no. I know where this is going. And they are a nominee for the burn book for me.

I think I would love two odd receivers who outscored Jalen Waddle in a lie. Craig, you weren't even here. When we hopped on the call to start the show,

Austin Gale was absolutely ranting about Jalen Waddle. He was fired up. So it's actually like in the background of the show we got people that hate Jalen Wattle too.

I don't know. I don't know what else we're supposed to do as fantasy managers. He had 45 yards today. What are we supposed to do? We were waiting all year for this. And look what happened. They get the ball to everybody else. He's an afterthought.

I hate the man now. I really do. He's driving me mad because every week the projection says 12 and a half. And then he gets four. Have you ever seen the movie Saving Silverman? No. Oh, there's a line where, I'm not going to explain it too much, but he goes, basically, he's like,

our fun level never was really that high, but now, two. And it's like, Craig's just like, he's losing it. Who do you guys? Is Waddle the player who has the farthest delta or the largest delta between like, his name's J-Lawater, I should probably put him in my lineup, but I can't because he sucks. He sucks or whatever. Yeah, I think he's like.

the hardest player. When I don't start him, I'm like, I feel like I'm a galaxy branding this or something for some reason, but like, yeah, he's, he's completely unreliable. He's the most talent. He's replaced Pitts as the most talented player who's unplayable. And I don't like watching. He's the fastest guy in the league who never has big plays.

That too. The other guy in this category with Burnbook and the Cow Pits thing is, this is a daily double. Ooh. Found it. And this is from a lot of people. people. Bang.

A lot of people. Is that what I think it was? He's doing an Austin Power's chairperson? A lot of vagina. Yeah. Somehow a lot of vagina is like less graphic than pussy galore. Jesus. It's the name of a character in a movie in a serious movie, or at least somewhat serious.

Yeah. Yeah. Tongue and cheek. Right. I mean, Austin Powers making fun of those movies, right? Yeah. Yeah. There's other Austin Power's names that I think are worse.

Kyle's suggestion for Byrne Book and also could be the Cow Pins Board. It's just straight up Anthony Richardson. I had him as well. He was nominated for me. He's had more than 12 points once this year. He was outscored by Bryce Young today. Too. That's tough.

And Garder Minchew. Yeah. And Drake May, who played like he had through six passes. No, that can't be right. Drake May had 11.5. Anthony Richardson had 11.52. Really? Drake May completed three passes.

Drake May ran a touchdown. Yeah. I think with the Anthony Richardson thing, we should just reconvene next year and see how he's doing. I hate it. I'm just not going to think about him for a while. We just time out.

I'll check back next year. See what's going on. I actually think he shouldn't play next week. I think it'll be bad for his career. if they play them against Minnesota, just play Flacco. Wait, so are we burning Richardson or Waddle?

Well, I thought we were changing the two tight ends who outscored Cal Pitts in a lie. So that one's now Waddle, but are we burning him? I think we have to burn it.

He has to be... Who outscored Jalen Waddle in a lie. Yeah. But then he has to be... You can't have that category. Yeah, we're burning Jail and Waddle. Yeah. And we're naming, it's two tight ends.

It's two receivers who outscored Joe Waddle and O'I. All right. And I hope this galvanizes him. I hope this kicks him into shape because I can't live like this anymore I'm fucking trapped I can't live like this

No I cannot do we want it let's do Should we do a quick two receivers in a lie For Jalen Waddle today? Sure There's going to be a lot of them Um All right let's see here Number one

Rakeem Jarrett Right on the box Number two Trent Shurfield Okay Number three DJ Turner No fucking way DJ Turner

out scored Jell and Wattle Number four Xavier Gibson Fuck I saw him score a touchdown Number five Nelson Agallor Unlike Agallor

Agallor always just quietly Has a 50-yard catch every game He does He's yeah he's weirdly good Number six Josh Palmer Yeah he definitely

outscored him for sure. Yeah, yeah, maybe he outscored him. Rekeem Jarrett? What are we doing here? Full disclosure, didn't know who he was when the season started. I thought Rakeem Jared was strictly special teams. Christian Kirk broke his collarbone and outscored Jalen Waddle. That was brutal because he was going to get traded.

I know. That sucks. All right, yeah, Jalen Waddle. You're in the burn book. and also you are now you're a new category. Congratulations to Jailad Waddle. All right, that's all we got.

Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Austin. Thank you everyone for help behind the scenes. Thank you for listening. Emails at Rigan Fantasy Football at gmail.com. Send us fantasy courts. Got a little special fantasy court action going on this week.

Send us emails. Send us emails on other, you know, a Deem Denzel and the wickedly talented and also, of course, Wade Jones. Thank you to Wade Jones and email to ring your fantasy football

at gmail.com. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Tom Jones, of course. She's a lady. My grandma loved Tom Jones. Really? I just know him as the fresh prince bit.

I don't really know anything else about them. What's the French, fresh prince bit. Carlton dance. French press. Is that a Tom Jones thing? What?

What's a Tom Jones? The Carlton dance? Is that to a Tom Jones song? Yeah, it's not unusual. It's unusual to be loved. It's the entirety of how I know Tom Jones. Dude, if you watch old videos of Tom Jones, dude, if you watch old videos of Tom Jones, it is like the most, like, 70s thing in the 80s thing in the world.

He's got like the biggest collar. It's just like real, real old. old school could not exist today. The girls are like going crazy for him. He's like 40 fake tan. He's got his like big hair. And he's just like winking at women as he sings. It's crazy.

Gigantic cross necklace. Yeah. Sexy. Yeah. Tom Jones. I bet you he had a wild life. He's still alive. But I bet you he has had a wild life.

I bet you he had a wildlife. I mean, he's still alive. He's lived like 10 lives. Dude, he's, he's OBE. Yeah, yeah. Sir Tom Jones, OBE. He's Welsh, I think. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, shout's out Tommy J. That guy was a real vibe back in the day. Tommy J. It's a credit to him that he became so famous when his name was Tom Jones. I know. You got to be really good. Oh, wow.

That's not even his real name. name is Tom Woodward. Sir Thomas Jones Woodward. Why did he come into your head? Did you like Tom Jones? You listen to Tom Jones? Because you said Wade Jones. His name? Of course.

Of course. His Wade Jones. His name, of course, is Tom Woodward. Dude, should I go with Tom Jones for Halloween? This guy's a vibe. he had a song called what's new pussycat yeah what's new pussy cat that's the chumel milani bit

the chalemalini bit he played that 11 times in a row at a diner and a jukebox dude no one's doing it like tom his voice has been described by all music as a full-throated robust baritone yeah yeah damn god damn like it you will vibrate

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