The Ringer NFL Show - Week 8 Recap: WE’RE LEVIS-TATING, Bengals Bounce Back, QB Injuries, and A.J. Brown

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

The guys recap Week 8, starting with all the QB injuries that happened, including Kirk Cousins's Achilles injury. They also talk about Will Levis’s electric debut, the Bengals' big win against the 49ers, and the dominance of Tyreek Hill and A.J. Brown. Check out our Fantasy Football Rankings for this week’s positional rankings and more! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Weird week. A lot going on. Chargers, Bears, Sunday at football. We don't have to ever talk about that again. Not much time packed there. No. Never thought like a team that lost by 20 got job by the refs. But like the fact that the first play, just the player just kept going to the end zone.

And the ref was like, yeah. And then they're like, yeah, someone blew whistle. so the whole game, whatever. And then they brought in the ref, like the booth rep for the guy who works for NBC. And they're like, what happened there? And he's like, I don't know. That was weird. The whole game, like,

and then later they were like, yeah, that was intentional grounding. Sorry, Collinsworth was like, that was intentional grounded, right? Terry. And Terry's like, yep, absolutely, Chris. And they're like, cool. And then the refs just never even discussed it. And they just went going. And I'm like, I've never sympathized with the team that lost by 23 with the referee.

ever in my entire life. But it's fine because it makes up for Tyson Bejan's dad just getting all this airtime. And I'm like, okay, cool. At least this guy will go right now. They sat him right next to the very enthusiastic Chargers fan woman that went viral a couple weeks ago. Are they giving her free tickets for the rest of the season, you think? Like, how's that work?

Do you think she's a plant? Is that what you're insinuating? No, I'm saying now that she has gained this public, like, persona. Like, do you think they're now inviting her to games for free because she's on camera? Yeah. Okay, the actual news of the day. This is sad. Kirk Cousins, quarterback for the Vikings, probably almost definitely towards Achilles.

So the Vikings won by 14. They beat the backers, kind of won the game, but lost the war or battle. I don't know if Kirk Cousins is the war. But Cousins is out for the season. And like, I don't know. There's so many ways to look at this. I mean, it sucks for the Vikings. It sucks for fantasy football.

If you have the Vikings, if you have Kirkie's done, Jordan Addison, who's been fantagium, he has seven touchdowns the season. Like, it might be. hard to play going forward. I mean, the quarterback now is Jaron Hall, who's a fifth round rookie at a BYU. And I feel like T.J. Hawkinson was a top two, top three tight end. He's not going to be that probably

anymore. And then Justin Jefferson, if you had him on IR and hoping he'd come back and save you for the playoffs. I don't know. This is, it's so weird. Kirk has it. Like, it's all, he's going to be 36 next season. I know. This is an inflection point for this franchise, of course, because now the question is, where does Kirk play next year? Are they, I mean,

it's almost positive they're going to move on from him at this point. Who's going to be the next quarterback? Are they going to trade for a guy? There's just so many questions to answer or to ask right now. And so it does, uh, it's just, it sucks especially just for fantasy though. Like, I mean, obviously it sucks the most for Kirk Cousins, but it sucks for fantasy just because all these guys that we're relying on now are probably going to have much, much, much lower floor or much, much lower floor. And I think it also begs the question like, what are we going to see with Justin Jefferson the rest of the year? Um, is he going to come back and be, or is he going to come back even at all?

And if he does come back, is he going to be the elite guy? Yeah. It's a bummer for Minnesota because, you know, like three weeks ago, everybody was like, are they going to trade Kirk to the Jets? How are they going to tank? You know, they should just focus on getting Justin Jefferson, the quarterback of the next decade. And then they beat the Niners.

They, you know, strung a couple wins together. And the Lions lost. And it was like, oh, wow, like the Lions are actually not that far out of first place in the NFC North. So it's a huge bummer that they were actually gaining momentum and, like, becoming a contender again this year. And now it's all. in the trash.

Maybe this is bad, but I'm one of those people with it when the Vikings started 0 and 3, I'm like, just trade him to the Jets. Maybe this is bad, but my first thought was, can you imagine if the Jets had traded

for Kirk cousins and that he'd also towards Achilles? What's going on with these Achilles injuries? It feels like there's, Craig, you mention this. Yeah. It feels like the Achilles is the new ACL

where it's like, I mean, again, maybe this is all anecdotal because like Aaron Rogers is famous and it's, but I feel like it's happened a lot in the NBA and the NFL and like the last like four or five years,

It felt like the run of it started with like the Durant, Clay Thompson around like 2019. And then since then, I feel like all we hear about is guys tearing their Achilles more so than their ACLs. Yeah. Anecotally, to me, it always felt like a very rare injury. It was like, you know, obviously in most in most cases it was like career ending. Career ending. It's not like that anymore. A lot of guys are coming back from it, which is great. But it definitely feels more common for whatever reason.

I don't know why. But it sucks for him. Kirk Cousins is said to be a free agent next year. And I think it's weird. It doesn't just affect the Vikings. It's like the free agent class in general for quarterbacks. Like if you're not going to be in position for a young quarterback in the draft, Kirk Cousins kind of was the free agent class.

It's like, now it's like what? There's Ryan Tannaill's a free agent. I mean, is he going to retire? Baker Mayfield with the bucks. He's the only starter. And then it's like Jacoby Brissette and Tyrod Taylor and Sam Darnold and Drew Locke and Garter Minchin. I'm like, okay, so backups.

Wow. That's the free agent class? I believe so. Maybe this couple guys have missed. But that's, yeah. So, I mean, Kirk. And also, is Kirk going to sign Kirk Cousins to rehab with them? Somebody will sign him.

I feel like he's proven enough over the years. Somebody will sign him. Plus, you know, what we saw with this show. I didn't actually watch the show, but like one of the big things that was coming out of that quarterback show on, it was Netflix, right? Was that he just is like a absolute lunatic about taking care of his body. So he's kind of got like the Aaron Rogers vibe.

Maybe he'll be back this year. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look at Rogers was running around pre-game. If Rogers comes back successfully, does Kirk have to listen to Dolphin, He seems like he'd be up for it. He already does a lot of like cognitive training where he like hooks up like things to his brain and like runs frequencies through them.

So I wouldn't be surprised. That's how they call plays. They're just hardwired in. He runs frequencies through the whatever. That's how talking works. It's just a frequency going through your brain. I don't know. I'm not a sound.

Listen. That's how music works too. Yeah. It's just to think about it. man. It's literally a vibration. Okay. So yeah, so that sucks for the Vikings, but so many quarterbacks got hurt today. So Kirk towards Achilles, that's like Matt Stafford hurt his thumb. Desmond Ritter was like clear to a concussion, but then never reentered the game. And then Arthur Smith had coached the Falcons said that it was not performance related to benching for Ritter.

Whatever happened. Kenny Pickett suffered a rib injury. Tyrod Taylor suffered a rib injury for the Giants. And then he's actually in the hospital right now overnight. Well, we're recording this Sunday night. That poor guy. We're listening to this. I know. He's had some really rough luck with injuries. Who's to know? I mean, he got stabbed.

You always joke about it. But he got freaking hit with a needle too hard. And I think go to the hospital for that. So I feel like I might be related. I don't know. So then the Giants went to the third string quarterback Tommy DeVito. Like there was some, we came into the weekend thinking it was tough for quarterbacks. We're down to Tommy DeVito now.

Tommy DeVito. What Scorsese movie was he in? I forget. Good God. Is this the most of talent? quarterback ever. I thought it was Ben Danucci, but like Ben Danucci,

I looked it up. He's from Georgia. Tommy's from New Jersey. He went to Don Bosco Prep. This is the most Italian dude ever. You know that the name Tommy DeVito, Tommy DeVito is one of the original members of the band of Four Seasons.

Tommy DeVito. Interesting. I just love it. I just love that this guy is in the playing quarterback. A quarterback named Tommy in general, this is great. Joe Pesci must have played a character named Tommy DeVito at some point.

right. Tommy DeVito? He sounds like he's hanging out with... Just like an extra. He's an extra in any of those shows, any of those movies. And he threw for negative one yards. Well, I was going to Rebo Levis's stat line

just pretend it was Tommy Davido's style. Would you have rather had Kendall Hinton today in the game or Tommy DeVito? You know what's tough is there's two separate games the Giants have had this year where that's a question. Yeah. How many passing yards did the Giants finish with this game? Are we ready to talk about this? But screw us.

Seven. The Giants, no, seven passing. But if you do net passing yards, if you subtract sack yards from the passing yards, the Giants had negative nine passing yards today. Jeez. Is that a record? Well, the only team since 2010 that's had negative passing yards in a game is also the Giants two years ago with Jason Garrett.

They lost 26 points to the Bears. It's the only team since 2010 to do that. I'm so sick of the Giants. High Fitz. I'm sorry, but Jesus. I think the Giants and the Jets should play each other every week. I think everybody would be cool with that. They just play 17 games. You are spared this being in prime time.

I can't believe. So the Jets won 13 to 10 in overtime. The Jets got the ball 24 seconds left down three. They somehow managed to spike the ball with a second left. I have no idea how it happened. It honestly is one of the worst Giants games I've ever seen. I think that three of the worst 10 Giants games in Giants history of the season.

It's like every week. The, so he's pouring rain. The turf was a disaster. Everyone got hurt. I think there's so many numbers that could summarize this game. Lo-key, one of them is probably that Darren Waller was ruled out

for the entire game with a hamstring injury. And he left with like one catch for four yards and he was the leading receiver for the team. Like that's like that's... Oh, God. But the Giants and Jets

had 15 puns of the first half, which is the most in the 21st century. 15. 0 for 17 combined on third down in the first half. It's impossible. So it's like the Giants abandoned the concept of the forward pass. Tommy DeVito was essentially, honestly it happened to my high school varsity team.

Like we had two quarterbacks. One broke his collar, but one had a concussion. We just couldn't run an offense. We just had our running back, take direct handoffs. The Giants, that's what they did. Sequin had 34 carries for like 128 yards,

which that's not that many. Yeah, they called Joe Judge's nephew Tommy DeVito. And they're like, hey, can he play quarterback today? Is that cool? Tommy? Yeah, he'll come. For context, when I said the last team to do that negative passing arts was the Giants. Before the Giants, the last time a team had had negative net passing arts was the Titans in 2009. When they lost that game to the Patriots 59 to 0 and we've talked about a lot,

that's the most dominant pro football game I've ever seen. Oh my God. That was the last time there was negative net passing nerds. 59 to 0 through three quarters. Anyway. Also, just while over here. Sequin's dad wore a Jets jersey. of the game.

What's happening here? What's going on here? Apparently he's done this before. In 2019, apparently Sequin got him the jersey. It's a Joe Namath jersey. And he's just like, I love you, son,

but I'm a Jets fan. And he just roots with the Jets. Well, it's better that Sequin got it for him. That's context I needed because otherwise I'm going to be like, all right, dude. Yeah. Is it?

No, no, no, before he was in the NFL. It's not like Sequin was on the Giants. Imagine loving a pro team more than your son. But did you hear that that piece of information? It was before he was on the, Giants. He got him to Jersey. Yeah, he was like at Penn State. Okay, I'm back. This is terrible. What are we doing here? You imagine. He walked out of the stadium with him. That's like Liz just wearing like a Barstool sweatshirt around every day.

And I'm like, what? She has her loyalties, you know? Not changing now. She loves PMT. She's like, what can I tell you? I liked PMT long before you worked at the ringer, Craig. So yeah, I didn't want to talk about that right now, but whatever. The actual good football, will Levis and the Tennessee Titans. Game of the week. Game of this century. Titans beat the Falcons, 28 to 23. Will Levis replaced Ryan Tannahill's first career start. Will Levis at 238 passing yards.

Four touchdown passes, which for context, Ryan Tanaill had two touchdown passes on the entire season. Will Levis had four today. And he was the third stringer until this week. Yeah, that's the craziest thing about this whole situation is he was not even the backup. He was the third stringer. What are these coaches doing?

This feels to be like the Justin Herbert situation all over again. Like, if Ryan Tannel hadn't gotten hurt, like, Will Levis would be the third string guy still. I guarantee you, maybe throughout the whole season Will Levis would never have seen the field. And now we get him in and he looks awesome. He was really sharp. I actually went back to somebody tweeted out a clip of every throw he made in this game. He was really sharp, man. Like, there was a few, maybe like two or three sort of if he throws in there, but otherwise he was really accurate on time.

Like, he dumped off when he should. and he hit the big throws down the field, like really accurate down the field. So, man, he was awesome. He was really, really exciting. This is like a breath of fresh air into this offense that absolutely sucked all year. What did these coaches do?

He has an absolute canon of an arm. I couldn't believe the ball coming off of his hand. I mean, his three deep balls. Well, he had two deep balls to DeAndre Hopkins. One was definitely an offensive pass interference on DeAndre. Dude, he had one to Westbrook-Aquine, which I think was the best one of the day. was like backpedaling like flicks it off his hand 40 yards beautiful right in his lap uh i was like shocked

at like the strength of his arm the accuracy of his deep balls and not only that for somebody who's like seems to be i feel like will levis his persona it's that gunslinger like plays recklessly i actually thought he was like kind of responsible as a quarterback like he took a couple sacks to not like run clock in the fourth quarter like he ran out of bounds at the right times he actually was was much more like coherent as a quarterback rather than somebody who just had a cannon of an arm. I totally agree. Third string all year. I'm not going to lie.

Maybe it's because we kept making jokes that he was like Blue Mountain State. I kind of thought he'd be a little dumb. Like, just play like a golden retriever, like a young Josh Al and like all that's old. He actually played really well. Honestly, also his best throw of the day, I thought was an incompletion. He threaded a pass, not even like horizontally, but like vertically dropped the pass into Chigo Concoe between three defenders and then like dropped it. Oh yeah, and he dropped it. he was incredible.

And my only question, well, first of all, four people had four touchdown passes in their NFL debut. Fran Tarkington, Marcus Mariotta, and Will Levis, which talk about, what would they talk about? What would those three people talk about? But that's a weird. That's next season of quarterback. I think it's those three, I'm pretty sure. Bring Mario da back and it's Levis and Fran. Should we keep in mind, is it Will Levis or was it the Houston Oilers throwback uniforms?

Like, are they like a like Mike thing? Like anyone could have done this today in his uniforms? Look good, feel good, play good, guys. 100%. He looked good in the uniform. I actually can't, like, picture him in the modern Tennessee Titan uniform now. Like, to me, this is what Will Levis is. It's the Houston Oilers.

Just keep them. I like the thing that struck me about this game is the career. His redemption arc is actually very fun because, like, if you go back, obviously, he was highly talked about prior to the draft. Then he fell on draft day. He was, that was massively, massively disappointing because he thought he was going to be like top 10 pick. He went to the green room.

There was a moment where he was going to be a number one pick. Yeah, the cameras were on him the whole night. He was just like inconsolable. He looked so sad. It was like very like a tough moment. The girl that was sitting with him in the green room recently, I think, according to PMT, actually, broke up with him. She's a social media influencer named Gia Duddy. And this happened.

He's been playing behind Malik Willis all year. I forgot his name. Like I couldn't remember his name. Gia, that sounds like I got that wrong. I might have written it wrong. Anyway. Gia Duddy. Anyway.

But anyways, and then all this shit happens to him this whole year. And he has like his heroic moment here. His whole family was there at this game. He like had one of the greatest debut performances of any rookie quarterback ever. Like, this is awesome. This is a great story. He had swag too. He's so ripped.

He's almost a little bit too buffed to throw. Like his motion actually looks a little stiff and weird because his Biceps are too big. Tight skin. He's like pretty thick, man. When he's running, like, he's very mobile. He can lower his shoulder into somebody. I think there's a couple takeaways.

One, look, DeAndre Hopkins had like the, like, probably more points today than he has, like, his whole season on the Titans. He had three touchdowns. 130 yards. Is DeAndre Hopkins a screaming sell high? Because like Will Levis is a rookie and this is probably not going to happen again? Or is this the beginning of something beautiful? I think probably the former. If we're being completely realistic here.

I will say, like, again, Will Levis was expected, or at least through part of the process, expect to be like a top 10 pick. I wouldn't treat him like any normal second round pick. It just kind of like happened that way and then no one else was ready to take a quarterback that high and blah, blah, blah,

and he ended up being a second round pick. But I think, you know, we could be pretty optimistic about him going forward. And honestly, he looked a lot like the guy who played two seasons ago for Kentucky. like he was much more of a gunslinger two seasons ago. He was more on time. You know, he did like the big play action shots down the field.

I talked about this on the Friday show, I think. Like he had like no big time throws last year. Like he had like one of the lowest big time throw rates of any college quarterback last year. And I felt like in this game, he was letting it rip, which is great to see. He had a swag back like Craig said. So I'm actually pretty excited about where this is going to go. Watch the Titans just go right back to like Tanna Hill or Malik Willis or whatever next week and just like completely fucking blow our minds.

I want to give a little credit to Mike Vrable because I think the instinct for a lot of defensive coordinator minded coaches is to be like, hey, kid, don't screw anything up. And I think that they did give Will Levis the license like, hey, kid, like, let it rip. And so, but they don't always do that. I mean, they did make him, he was a third string quarterback until like four days ago.

Oh, right. Sorry, I forgot we started with the, well, he let him, whatever. It's fine. It's good. Well, someone got hurt. And thankfully, I mean, no offense to Brigh Teno. But, you know. Again, this is the Justin Herbert situation potentially here. You know, let's just, let's just call it what it is.

That got Tannel got stabbed. Yeah, got it. Real quick. The Oilers, power ranking the throwback uniforms. Oilers number one. Well, I got to disagree with that one. Miami Dolphins. You think the Seahawks ones are better than the Oilers?

It's close. It's not close. They are. This has got to be our, this is our pole. Yeah, this is definitely our pool. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Best throwback uniforms. I think it's a Cocks.

Close second. man slide. Wow. Yeah, the Seahawks, they're really cool. It was the whole package. I don't know. Maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention to the Texans game or sorry to the Titans game, but like the Seahawks did the whole thing.

They did like, they had their field made up in like the old school Seahawks look. They had like the helmet on the center field or the middle of the field. They had the old Seahawks like font in the end zones. It was like everyone, all the coaches were decked out in the old school Seahawks stuff. It was like freaking being transported. quarterback to 1990. They did the whole thing. The Seahawks are the only team who did that.

So that, I mean, I think that pushes them over the top of my life. No, I'm kidding. No, every other team did that too. The Oilers did that. Well, they didn't do as good of a job, in my opinion. All right. Well, I'm sorry they couldn't recreate your specific childhood for everybody. Yeah.

Why would I be nostalgic about the Houston Oilers? It's good. All right. Paul, who had the best throwback uniforms. Okay. Other quarterbacks who suck today because, honestly, there are other quarterbacks who were hurt that just played. So Patrick Mahomes gets added to the, like, injury report.

but not with an inter designation, like, questionable, but they're like, hey, he's sick. And clearly, I think the Chiefs would have said nothing, if not Bejan Robinson last week. And the NFL is like, yeah, what are you doing over there? So the Chiefs are just like, hey, he's sick, by the way. Chiefs lost to the Broncos 24 to 9. Big, what's up?

What are you doing their Vegas energy? First time Patrick Bohmns loses a road game due to a division opponent in his career. Chiefs had beaten the Broncos in their last 16 games. That snapped. Sorry if I jinxed that. Third time in the Mohles's entire years to that. That was the high of tech. I did.

You said that 16-in-ost out like 100 times. I did. I should have known. I should have put my mortgage on the Broncos. Yeah. That was a Costanza lying in wait. Just the third time in his entire career, playoffs or regular season,

that the Chiefs did not score 10 points. Wow. I asked you. Against the Broncos defense. I know. The team that left 70 points six weeks ago. How do people bet on this sport? Do we?

We're just throwing this out, right? Like he had flu or COVID, and we'll just never talk about this again, as long as he just. just plays well next week. Yes. Here's what's funny. Maybe this isn't funny.

I don't know what it is, but we're already back to the point where players are just playing with the flu. COVID's in the rear view now, I get, like, you know? I didn't even think about that.

Players are just playing sick, just breathing all over each other. Like, who fucking cares? Whatever, we're back to the old days. Oh, so I like the idea that it's like flu-like symptoms

and we're like, yeah, what does that mean? We're like, should we, no one's testing shit anymore. So, you know,

whatever. I don't actually, this is whatever. It's not my problem. I don't care. What I will say is, I do think, I think Occam's razor with this whole thing is, yes, it was because he had the flu. Like, you're not going to play as well when you're sick. Like, look, I think if I had the flu like symptoms, I probably wouldn't be doing this podcast.

So the fact that he, like, played an NFL football game, I'm writing all of this off. I don't, I'm not buying a second of this. Good for the Broncos. I was, I mean, look, I was impressed with the Broncos offense. We should, we should say that. I mean, 24 points. They were like, they had a. a lot of like really slow matriculated drives going up and down the field.

They ran the ball well. Russell didn't have any interceptions. Like they actually looked kind of decent. They've won what, three in a row, three of the last four? This was the Chief's defense that had been really hot too. Yes. So, yeah, I think that's a great point. Do you know the phrase that Craig just said,

matriculate down the field has no basis in the English language, but it's used so much in the NFL that Miriam Webster changed the definition of matriculate? They changed. I don't know. I don't know. It means where you attended college or were you graduate? Was it TechShram? Some football guy just used it so much that they became a thing that all coaches use.

And then Mary Webster was like, fine. Like how literally doesn't mean literally anymore they did that. I think we should get rid of the word. I think it's dumb. I don't, I think you should just say matriculate. Matriculate. I don't think that, I don't think where did you matriculate should be a question. I think it should only be where did you go to college.

It sounds personal, right? Like a HIPAA violation. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway. Brock Purdy and the 49ers lost to the Bengals, 3117. Purdy, 22-131, 365 yards, a touchdown two picks. One pick was like on a screen pass at the goal line.

That wasn't great. Gets the ball back. And next throw, also a pick, like to a linebacker he didn't see. Maybe possibly the worst game of Brock Party's career. He lost a fumble as well. He lost a fumble. It was just like a mess. he was concussed six days ago and probably shouldn't have played.

So like, do we throw this out or what are we like, what do we do? No, I don't think we throw it out. I mean, if we throw this out, then we'd have to throw out every past performance where a player played in a game a week after getting a concussion, which until this year happened all the damn time. Like there's thousands of performances of people playing a week after they got a concussion. So unless we throw all those out, we can't throw this one out. I also, to be, to be honest, I watched every play of this game.

I actually don't think he was that bad. I think he had three bad plays. One of the picks, the first one was tipped, not really his fault. Or like, it was an amazing play by the defensive alignment, essentially. But the other two were not great. But I kind of thought he was all right. Nine in completions over 350 yards. He just had like two bonehead plays.

I kind of don't think he looked like out of it or off. I just think he like sometimes makes a couple bad throws. I thought it was fine. I can't believe I'm saying this, but like I can't believe. He really looked all right to me. He ran a lot. What are you doing? I know.

Craig's just position. himself for the pivot as anyone turns on Purdy and Craig's disposition and he'd be like, no, he's actually pretty good. Look, my whole thing was like, I don't think Pertie's bad. I just don't think he's Tom Brady. Like, I just think he's like a fine game manager who can like imagine that be a pass. I know. Something that's controversial. You know, I don't have to pick some extreme side. So they didn't have Trent Williams, I mean, maybe the best left tackle in the league and they didn't have Debo Samuel. Trent Williams is a bigger deal when he's out than Depot. Yeah, but he didn't. Purdy wasn't really pressured though. I feel like the Trent Williams thing.

I don't think he got he got sacked like once. I feel like he was all right. Someone made a great point. I'm sorry. I forget who they can't run left when Trent Williams is out, which is super true. Like they can't. The Zoolander. The Zoolander offense.

Yeah. They're Zoolander without Trent Williams. While we're on the Niners, I got to say, I just, I fucking can't stand what Kyle Shanahan does with the minutes he's racking on his players. There was nine seconds left in the game. They were down 3117. Nine seconds left. They get the ball and run a screen.

pass to Christian McCaffrey, it goes for like 25 yards. Down 14 points. There's no way they can win this game. It is physically impossible. It's not even like Oppenheimer where it's like a non-zero chance. It's a 0% chance they could win the game. And McCaffrey, their most important player, their franchise player, if he tears the ACL, the season's essentially over.

Who has an injury, he's managing. Right, correct. They've already rushed him back. They throw him as designed screen pass and have him run into the defense 25 yards down the field. It makes no fucking sense. And Kyle Shanahan should have to answer to it. Craig was,

Greg was just complaining to us about this prior to the show when we were planning. And, like, right when he was doing that, someone tweeted at me, this is Christopher Dolores. It goes, Kyle Shanahan cares less about the well-being of his workers than 18th century Cole Barron. It is reckless behavior from Shanahan. Genuinely, reckless.

Just, like, chew them up and spin them out. I will say, it's incredible. We didn't spend enough time last week because it was Monday night football. then like, you know, Pardy was hurt and everything, talking about how the fact that Christian McCaffrey got hurt and we didn't know who to play

and we were like, who's going to be Elijah Mitchell, Jordan Mason, and they just gave McCaffrey every snap at the goddamn game coming back from injury. And then he does this, you were right.

Craig, you were on this for a while and I don't know I felt about it, but you're so right. Like, it's actually a crazy thing to do. It's why I don't feel bad anymore when the Niners are like hurt at the end of the year

and everyone's like, well, man, it's luck. If they were healthy, the Niners would win the Super Bowl. It's like, well, maybe it has to do with the fact that the coach plays every player 100% of the snaps, no matter how healthy they are.

Maybe that is something to do with it. He's like, he gets too, he either, he feels too passionately, Craig. He either likes someone too much or hates someone else too much. It's like, let's put one hard. Worst play. Yeah. He's like, dude, there's plenty of room in this gray area, man. Just like, find somebody that you're like, just okay with and let them play.

Plenty of sea, Kyle. All right, throw her back up. Jordan Mason could have done that with nine seconds left. It would have been okay. He's like, hey, do you want to move in together? And it's like, dude, it's like our fourth date. Yeah. Just chill.

Take it down a notch. And this is like, this hurts us saying this. I think the NFL needs to load manage way more. I think if you're down 20 and there's six minutes left in the game, I think everybody should be out of the game. And they never do that. The NFL needs to step in. Stop these coaches.

I think it's insane. In the game tonight, Josh Palmer hurt his knee on like the 10th play of the game. And he already came in with a knee injury. And he was like writhing in pain. It's like, dude, you're playing the bears. Let this guy rest for the next week. Nope, he's back out there like 10 minutes later. I'm like, it's okay.

You're up 14-0. You don't need Josh Palmer back. I don't get it. Relatedly, Christian McCaffrey tied the longest-stricken NFL history with 17 consecutive games with the touchdown. Yeah, like against his will, probably. Yeah. He dragged into the end zone.

No days off. Also, who's Lenny Moore? Oh, no, sorry, a lot of people are going to yell at me now. I don't know. Leonard. Leonard. Letty. Dude, Lenny. They don't make Lenny's anymore.

Did he play with crazy legs, Hirsch? Dude, I actually, well, no. Hershey. Lenny Moore was drafted in 1956 by the Baltimore. Oh, wow, he was pretty good. 1956, ninth overall pick. Lenny Moore. He probably ran like, he probably ran like a 4-9.

He's probably just as slow as Jake Bobo. But he was so elite back then. It's like Smush Parker would have, like, the Bob Coozy of his time, couldn't dribble with his left hand. Oh my God, the videos of that. It looks funny because 60 years later, Celtics still have someone who can't dribble with their left hand. He looks like fucking Stanley from the office.

Like, it's unbelievable. Oh, my God. The visual. I just got the visual in my head. It's so good. It's just like bending or he's like hunched over. I could dribble better than that fucking guy. Oh, God.

That's great. Legend, Bob. Anyway, Lenny Moore. Yeah. Let him more. Cool. We should talk about the Bengals. I feel like that is the bigger takeaway. Not that Purdy was shaky.

It was that the Bengals are back. And I'm ready to throw all my money down on them to win the AFC. Burrow, I loved it. Joe Montana was there. The original Joe Cool. And Burrow came out, had the best game of the season. Four completions, three touchdowns. 28 out of 32.

Against the Niners. 43 yards rushing. I mean, he looked healthy. Like one of the first places, the game. There was some crazy. He alluded like four sacks on this one play, scrambled out, and then made like a perfect pass to T. Higgins for the first down on third and ten. Yo, that was a way, way more athletic version of the Eli Manning escape for the helmet catch. It was like Eli kind of got out by accident.

He like, Joe, Burrow did it himself. He like fell out of the pocket. It's like when a dog is under a blanket and it just kind of doesn't know where to go. He doesn't know what is up or down. Joe Burrow was like a hero trying to save a child from a burning house. Like Joe Burrow actually like just, it was so agile. And I was like, wow, the Bengals are the best team of the league right now, aren't they? Oh, man.

It's really fun seeing it again because like Chase, Jamar Chase is just so powerful and so fast and just so good. And T. Higgins looks like he's getting closer meeting all the way back. Even Joe Mixed looked good today. You know, he's kind of had a tough year, but he looks really like he had more explosiveness, I think, than we've seen in any other game. Again, and again, this is coming against one of the best defenses in the NFL. And so that was like really impressive. On the road, on the road. So this is going to be two seasons in a row where Jamar Chase is going to have a stat line that doesn't reflect his skill.

Because last year he missed the first four games of the season. So he only played 12. So statline, he only had 1,000 yards and nine touchdowns last year. This year, the Bengals have this weird Joe Burrow injury for the first month or so. And so like, it took six weeks for this team to get off the ground. So I bet you his stat line at the end of the year, probably not going to look as good as it could. I know right now probably the two best receivers in the league unequivocally are probably Tyree Kiel and A.J. Brown and those will probably be the top two picks in the draft next year.

But Jamar Chase is there in my opinion. But because of him having two weird years in a row, I think when people are drafting next year and going backwards and looking at the 2023 stat lines, it's not going to look that great for Jamar Chase. But I am going to put a lot of money on Jamar next year because he basically had his rookie season. And since then, there's always been something kind of holding. him back from having a complete season. And so next year, I'm going to be all in on Jamar

because I think him and Burrow are probably the best duo talent-wise in the league. I think that's a good call. I think what's insane is that Jamar Chase is 23 years old. I know, I was just going to say this. He's going to be 24 at the start of next season, which is like some rookies are going to be coming in at 24. Yeah, like, Dalton, yeah, like, how old is Dalton Kincaid?

I think he's already 24. Or, Donald Kincolkate is 20. He's older than Jabar Chase. Like that's wild Like that's a pretty crazy way to think of it so yeah But to your point though Craig I think the top two guys are now are Tyree Kill and AJ Brown Like the

They both had this crazy Very weird specific record But Tyree Kill fastest with thousand yards in the Super Bowl era As DK said only The Super Bowl era But like if you could just NFL history Which we could get into why there's a difference But again crazy legs Hirsch

Sure Don Hudson And um Charlie Henigan. Those are the only three guys who have gotten a thousand yards fast. What does crazy legs imply that you're that you're fast or shifty?

What is that really weird? I was reading his Wikipedia. It was like that his legs would like bend or roll as he ran. He ran. He ran very strangely. Yeah, it's kind of like what we say about Ken Walker.

Like he's like a Orthodox box or whatever. I feel like I say a Pacheco could be. We need to have a crazy legs every generation. Isaiah Pacheco could be that guy. We do need a crazy legs. Crazy likes Pacheco. It kind of works. I have a bold to pick with Don Hudson, too.

At some point, I need to give a Don Hudson rant. Let's hear it. I think Don Hudson's a fraud. Can we back up? Tell me who Don Hudson is. So Don Hudson is... I don't know anything about this. Why some would say the only competition for Jerry Rice

with the greatest receiver ever, or the second greatest receiver ever. Peter Kigg did a countdown a while ago that Don Hudson was the greatest football player ever or this was before Brady had won like his sixth ring. So after five rings, it was still Don Hudson for Peter King. He needed six.

Google Don Hudson. This doesn't even count as football. I'm sorry. He was the first like modern receiver, but here's my issue. Well, D.K., your editor, Riley McAtee and I, our first big argument was over Don Hudson. Because Riley McAtee was like, Don Hudson had 1,200 yards and 70 touch.

touchdowns in 1942. And I'm like, yeah, because everyone who could guard him was like storming the beaches of Normandy. Oh my God. Like, everyone who could guard Don Hudson. I'm like, I don't care about your 11 touchdowns. His helmet is legitimately, it's like a water polo ball with a hole cut out of it. Yeah, they could afford metal because they had to send it to France. Oh my God.

Everyone who could guard you was fighting the Nazis. I'm like, I'm not impressed. You led the league in catches for the entirety of World War II. And you know when he retired? 1945 when everyone came back. Never played in 46. Real convenient. I'm like Don Hudson.

I'm unmoved by the records. Don Hudson is going to sue your ass. By the way. Or his estate is he died at 97. Okay. Anyway, this doesn't count. Let's talk about like actual real football. This is like the Bob Cousy discussion.

What do we do? Tyree kill. Fastest 2,000 yards in the Super Bowl era. but then A.J. Brown, longest streak ever with six games of 125 yards, which I've decided is the line now for random records I care about. Everything weirder than that I'm done with, but that one kind of, I actually get it.

I like that. Okay, I agree. It's pretty incredible. It's not that weird. I can wrap my head. If I can understand the record upon first reading, I'm okay with it. But I hate when you have to like, it's like,

oh, on a Sunday when it's raining, Will Levis had the best day of all time technically. And you're like, all right. Like among players who had played in 60 plus games, it was like, okay, let's step. Second round draft picks and we gate in the history of second round draft picks and we gate, Will others had the best day ever. But no, this is not like that.

This is 125 yards plus in six straight games. No one else has ever done that. But I feel like Tyree Kill and A.J. Brown are easily the two best receivers in the NFL. And I feel like they're completely different. Like looking at them, they're completely different, but they're playing style. And it's so funny. It's Tyree Kill. Everyone knows is getting the ball.

And somehow no one's ever near him. and then AJ Brown is everyone knows who's getting the ball. There's always two people near him, but they both each catch it every time. It's such a, it's a great microcosm of like how the wide receiver position should almost be like four or five different actual positions because there's just so many different types of players at receiver. Like AJ Brown, what does he weigh six, he's like six one, six two, two hundred and twenty five pounds, just pure muscle like absolutely huge.

And then Tyreek is like five, seven. How tall is Tyreek? Five-eight? I'm not sure, but we were talking last week, and we were having the conversation about how A.J. Brown has all the size and speed of, like, D.K. Metcalf, but all the soft receiver skills that I don't want to say, like, Antonio Brown or something. But, but, like, it does feel like he's, he's approaching the point where he has the best of every possible world. His ceiling's the highest. And it's almost like Terrell Owens-esque, if Terrell Owens wasn't an absolute. like cancer in every team he'd been on.

It's like AJ Brown is a great relationship with Jalen Hertz and is like a pretty likable person. Well, he did start going off. Absolutely just going off. It really just going off. He yelled at, uh, Yeah, that's when this drink began when he started yelling at Jalen Hertz. So let's not just like, you know, by the way, Tyree Kill, apparently it's 510,

which I never would have guessed. No way. He's 510. No shot. He's 100% 58. Okay. I'm with you on that one, I think. Tyree killed that touchdown where he was,

bracketed in double coverage by the Patriots, but he just ran between the two guys and no one touched him, and he just ran past both of them. And I was like, oh, my God. So I think Chase is a notch below both of them. I think that they're just like another love right now. I think you're right, Craig, that those are probably the top two picks and drafts next year.

Do you think AJ Brown is one of the players who's taking the biggest jump this year? Not to say that he was bad before, but like, I don't know, because now I just look at him. I'm like, that is one of the best players in the NFL. period. I would not have said that last year. I thought he was a really, really good player. But he's, I don't know, to me, he's just on a whole different level. Do you guys agree with that? Or do you think it's just recency bias? No, I'm right there. Just taking his game to a new level.

Like, if you could just have AJ Brown or Justin Jefferson for the next five years, who would you want? Man, that's hard. I kind of want to say AJ Brown, to be honest, but... A.J. Brown is 26. Justin Jefferson's like... Yeah. Still, though. He's having a... an insane year. That one-handed catch today was incredible. Yeah, the Eagles Washington game was crazy. This is somehow like the best, one of the best,

the best rival in the NFC is for sure. Like the last three games, Washington, so Eagles won 38 to 31 today, but the game was like weirdly close and back and forth the whole time. And then last two times they played was overtime when Sam Howell said an overtime, the Eagles won by three. And then the game for that was Monday Night Football when the Washington beat the Eagles last season.

So then this week, it's 38 to 31 Eagles. Sam Howe was the number one quarterback. on the week in fantasy, which is incredible because, again, on pace to still in play for him to break the sack record before the buy week for Washington. And then the Eagles had a perfect fantasy football day

because they got two touchdowns to AJ Brown, 99 yards, bounce back game for Devante Smith, and then DeAndre Swift got a touchdown too. So just like a perfect fantasy performance. And then Jahan Donson had the bounce back game too for Washington. Boy, he's back. Still looks good, too. never we never gave up we knew that it was howells fault and it was just all of the

plays where johan dotson would have had to catch howl got sacked that's what we determined um yeah i kind of gave up on him from a fantasy point of view which i regret but the whole time i want to say we talked about how we still believe he's really really talented really good player finally that showed up today he looked really good man i don't even know if this counts has bounced back this is just like incredible, but no one talks about. The Saints. 138 to 27 over the Colts. Alvin Camara is top four running back on the week.

21 touches, 110 yards two touchdowns. Since Camara came back in week three, he's 39 catches as a running back. The gap between Camara and first and second place, which is DeAndre Swift, the gap between first and second and catches among running backs is the same between first and second as it is between second and 39th. Jeez.

place. Like, that's how big the gap is. I love Kamara, man. I'm so happy we were in on him this year. I'm so happy we were in on his weird health kick, making sure his legs weigh the same and him finding new trainers because he honestly does look like vintage Kamara, especially today. The last few weeks have been like primarily like volume-based performances. But today, his two touchdowns were old-school Camara where like it almost looks like he's like hovering and he just bounces off. people and like he slips lose his balance yeah slips through tackled like people slip off of him it's really weird should we get our legs weighed like recalibrate do you think we'll be better just podcast if our legs are just weighing the same did we ever figure out how we're going to do that

no we uh no i don't think we ever forget how to weigh our legs all that we had engineers email us and i think they all had smart ideas but we forgot all of them i prefer the emails from the people who were like i'm not an engineer those my favorite part was that the people who started with um not an engineer, we're so much more confident about the way to do it than the people who are like, here's my job. I mean, that's like a microcosm for the world. But yeah, that's true. But isn't it funny about the Saints?

Like, nobody gave a shit that the Saints just put up 38 points today and looked really good. Like, the Eagles put up 38. I think, which, you know, the Saints tied for the highest offensive performance today. And nobody cares. I don't know what the Saints have to do, but people to compliment them. But I don't know. Why would you love me? Derek Carle looked good.

They have a lot of talent. They won, but nobody cares. Tassum Hill. Hall of favor. Taysom Hill. Number one tight end on the week. Nine carries 63 yards to touchdowns. He's the goal one quarterback for this team.

They can't move the ball. He's like, he's like peak era Cam Newton in the red zone these days. Like, you cannot stop him. I think it was Camara or somebody after the game said, it's like, is like the tush push, like you know it's coming,

you still can't stop it. It's like they light up with like nine guys on the line of scrimge and just smash into the end zone. It's great. I mean, he has a pass, a rush,

and a catch in every game. Like he is literally, 44-yard pass. Yeah. And blocks. He is Cloice Box. He's the Cloice Box of 2023. He is Cloyce Box.

We got to write that that Cloice Box Award for Taysom Hill. I think we made fun of him for way too long and now he's actually good and now no one is. able to admit. I always liked him.

The people hating on him. Well, to be clear, I think Sean Payne did try harder to make him like a regular quarterback. It's kind of like Daniel Jones, where people made fun of him more when he got paid a lot of money. And Taysimo got that fake contract. But he actually does get paid like $15 million a year, which is more than actual dead ends. Like, he was making more than Travis Kelsey until like two months ago. That's kind of ridiculous. Wow.

I don't think I've ever said that out loud. That's true. like wanting to send him to the Hall of Fame and he still says that's ridiculous. Yeah, that's a lot. 10.8 million in cash this year for Tasonville. Damn. I poo poohed you guys a little bit last week because you said he was a big wave rat and I was worried about Juan Johnson coming back in and sniping all the routes because

he was essentially playing receiver the last like three weeks. He only caught one pass today, but it didn't fucking matter because he ran nine times that's two rushing touchdowns and he threw a 44-yard bomb. Like he's just immune. to whatever role he does, he's just going to produce. He's not going to do this every week. And if you pick him up and you put him in, he'll burn you. But I don't care because at the end of the day, if you're streaming tight ends,

you're just scrounging for four or five points and maybe they get a touchdown. And why not gamble on the touchdown or bust guy as the guy who's like a goal line quarterback for an NFL team? Like he just is taking direct snaps inside the 10 yard line. He's actually a good runner. He is. There was a moment where I forgot like what position he was drafted as. Like, that's how versatile he is.

I was like, was Taysa Miller quarterback out of high school or college? It also makes me think that Tim Tebow could have been this if he was willing. Yeah, no, he was too Hollywood. Was Tebow ever this fast, though? I can't remember off the top of my head because I think Taysom Hill has like explosiveness. Yeah. I think the idea of Tisbo being a physical player was much more an idea. Like, if you watch Tasem Hill, he puts guys on their ass.

Yeah, he like, I don't know if Timbo could. Like, the Tatea thing doesn't work if he can't block well. He's just willing to get down in the mud. Put him into Hall of Fame. Honestly, who can do what he's doing? Crazy Lakes Hill. Crazy Lakes Hill. Other than Eli Manning, that's like the best Taysom Hill Hall of Favor is incredible.

I don't know, man. I don't think he's going to go to the Hall of Fame, Craig. Not to like rain on your grade. I don't know why we've been out on him for so long. I think it was because he was always just like seen as a vulture. no one knew what position he was and he was kind of ruining fantasy. But now he might be revolutionizing it and he was just before his time. Because he was ruining fantasy.

He's after his time. He should have came back from World War II and killed a bunch of Nazis and then like played for 15 years and become a million. Become a titan of industry. Yeah. He's way after his time. It's like Jim, he is like Stan like tripling the basketball hunched over. We're like, wow, this is so crazy to watch.

You just call him, you just call him Stan? Stain for the office. Stanley. I don't know. Stan. I don't know. We're friends. Speaking of things, no one cares about. You're right.

No one cares about the Saints. Gus Edwards. Top two fantasy players last two weeks. AJ Brown, Gus Edwards. That's great. It's kind of weird. Love fantasy.

Love what we're doing. It just feels like the Ravens, they like decide before they're going into the game. Like, all right, are we going to have Lamar rush for touchdowns or the running backs today? And today was a day where they just kept giving it to the running backs. They trust us. in the locker room before the game.

Am I crazy, despite what I just said about Gus Edwards, having more fantasy, not counting quarterbacks, more fantasy points than every player except AJ Brown. Every time Justice Hill touches the ball, I'm like, he's so much better. Justice Hill is averaging like five touches a game, and they all are going for like, he's like discount Devon A-chan. Like every time he touches the ball, it's nine yards. They've got to have a stat.

I think actually next-gen stats might actually have this stat, but it's basically how many yards north you get or downhill, versus how many yards you actually run on the field. You know what I mean? Like Justice Hill is going real wide to run two yards. Whereas guess I was he's so good just right up the middle of the field. He breaks tackles. This is like a player who, you know, it's along the same lines of like a Rashad Penny where, you know, a certain threshold.

He's like one of the top yards per carry running backs of all time. If you like really look at what he's done. Literally top five. It's insane. But he's like no one thinks he's good. I think people think he's good, but not think he's... Including us, obviously, like, when you set thresholds for stat, the storytelling that goes into it.

So all the TV broadcasts, and we do that too, but TV broadcasts, when they're like top yards per carry all time, it happened all time with Brown's games. It's like Nick Chubb one, Jamal Charles, two, Jim Brown three. And it's like a very random number of carries because the random numbers to make sure it's not Gus Edwards at three instead of Jim Brown or whatever.

Right, right. And like, they don't want Aaron Jones and Gus Edwards messing up the stat? Guess Edwards? I'm looking at the next-gen stats. There's an efficiency metric that they have.

Guess Edwards is like top 10 in the NFL. Yeah, but we also like it's because the Ravens offense, especially prior to Todd Munkin, like, it's like the easiest offense to run in because like everybody was terrified.

They're creating space. Yeah, so it's like everybody, JK Dobbins. That's why we're all cool. It's cutting off the stat. Oh my God. I looked up yards per attempt all time and I did filter out running back.

So I just have the number one. Actually, can you guys guess who's actually their number one leader all time and yards per attempt? Like, what's the minimum amount of carry? No minimum? I've stumbled into the greatest list ever. Yeah, no, no, no, no, the qualifying leaders only, but it includes all positions. Rashad Penny. No, it's Michael Vic.

Oh, yeah. Number two is someone named Beattie Feathers from the 1934 Chicago. Beattie Feathers? Cardo's way. Beethe feathers. Are both names made? it up? Are they, is that a double nickname? Beating feathers.

That's this stage name. Beating feathers from a thousand and four rushing yards this Ricky year. He like didn't have a thousand the rest of his career combined. I can't even know if this was the Cardinals of the bears. 34 Chicago Bears.

Beattie feathers. Beady feathers. His name was William. Beating feathers. Wait, at the point I was going for. Third is Randall Cunning him, and fourth is Lenny Moore. Lenny. Lenny.

Beedy feathers. It sounded like everybody was just going off every game. Oh. Anyway. It was just a bunch of Tase and Hills running around putting up numbers. One of the top pictures of Beattie Feathers is him punting of football. That's amazing. Everybody was playing one position.

They're just playing like everything. Yeah. Yeah. It was just a bunch of guys out there doing whatever. dude beanie feathers oh he does have a photograph the funniest thing he's remarkably flexible

he can get that he can get his foot above his head by like four feet the funniest thing about close box is that his photo Wikipedia is a painting that is just I'll never get over that

oh my god okay I also want to mention the Cowboys it's gonna be sick cowboys playing the Eagles next week CD Lamb 12 catches 150 yards two touchdowns he had 130 yards to touchdowns

for halftime And then the Cowboys, I mean, they just absolutely rocked. They embarrassed the Rams. Like that was, it honestly looked like the Giants opening game against the Cowboys. It was 40 to 3 to 20, but it didn't really look like that. And then the Cowboys defense, I think it now is basically the second best fantasy defense halfway through season in like 10 years after that crazy run the Patriots had with the darn old scene ghosts.

But the Dallas defense is insane. Also, bounce back for C.D. Lamb had a great game. Dak looked good. He had a career game. Two straight weeks now. Also, when are we going to talk about Tony Pollard just kind of being a bust? Because he kind of has been. Yeah, we really fucked that up, didn't we?

We maybe jinxed him. I wouldn't say it's our fault. It's coaching. No, I don't know. Yeah, it's bad. I think he has three straight games with less than 10 points. That's not great. That's not what you're looking for.

He's probably a by low. I mean, he hasn't had over 50 rushing yards since like week three. What do we do when we recommend someone to buy low, but everyone's drafted him? and wants to get rid of them because we told people to take them. Is there an element of the Cowboys just have never, they never play a regular game to this? They don't play in normal games.

They either get killed or kill. But you think in a game like this, this would be perfect for Tony Pollard, but they just like kept throwing. Six points today. That's tough. Yeah. We need the word for when you see,

like you're out all day and you come home and you check the box scores and you go, Dallas, 43. And you go, oh my God, great. They won by 23 points. They put up 40 plus. I have Tony Pollard. You check six points.

There needs to be a word for that. Is it blue balls? I don't know. 15. So 12 rushes for 53 yards today. Last week, it was 15 rushes for 30 yards. The week before, eight rushes for 29 yards. It's rough, man.

I'm getting a new memento tattoo. And I know people would be like, who's explosive? This is there. Did you see? I don't care. My new rule is if you broke your leg within the calendar year,

I'm not drafted. If a bone in your body was broken, No, some bones, I don't care, but like your leg? Some bones are fine. Rating's in your job title. Rank the bones in which you care the most. Femmer. Timber.

Tibia. Tibia is top three. Fibula. I don't know the word. I don't know. Is it fibia or fibula? Whatever. Fibia.

Tibia. Fibula. Yeah. Okay. That's what, yeah, that's what I meant. All right. Foot bones. Those are tough.

There's so many of those. Do you care more hyvitz if a player tore a ligament or if he broke a bone in his leg of his legabular? you know what? I think I was gaslit this year to be told that broken bones don't mean anything. And I was like, okay, sure. That sounds true.

And I'm like, you know what? I don't think you were a gaslit. I think it was, I think, data would suggest that's the case. But maybe in this case, it didn't work out great. By various medical professionals I spoke to. Anyway.

I was gaslit by my teachers on real historical facts. Gaslighting, you know? Well, I just got, I tell a story at Halloween party this weekend. At a Halloween party this weekend. And I was in my kitchen getting a drink. And I accidentally turned on my gas stove with my butt by accident. And it was like, you know, doing the gas stove thing.

And my friend Claire was like- Were you a chef for Halloween? Yeah. Made it funny because they can yell people. And then I turned around and I'm like, Claire, why did you do that? Like, why did you turn on the stove? She was like, you turn on the stove. I was like, you turn on the stove.

And I was like, that's called gas lighting. Oh. Wow. pretty bad. That's good. Dad level. Yeah. It sounds like you won that night.

Thank you. I've also made a discovery. I also think, someone not talking about enough. Kickers are incredible now. I feel like we are talking about it the appropriate amount. But we,

no. Everyone's like, no, everyone is, everyone's like, oh, get rid of kickers to fantasy. The kickers,

I started looking into this today when the Dallas Cowboys kicker before halftime made a 50, rookie, made a 50, 58-yard field goal standing on the Cowboys logo. And he drilled it.

And it was so casually down the middle. And so far past the, it was never in doubt distance. And I'm like, it was so normal. It was so routine that I started looking this up. And I realized, do you know that there have already been four kicks this year made from 60 yards? Four. There were four 60-yard kicks in the 20th century. Yeah.

You know, I forgot. I actually forgot how rare a 60-yard field goal was. And knowing that you were going to talk about this, I remember distinctly back in college, when a kicker would, when like Matt Prater would line up for like a 61-yarder. It was a big deal. In Denver.

Yes. It was like a big deal, I remember. He's attempting a 62-yarder. They would have like a guy, like a kick-returner down in the end zone. They'd come to it. Like Barry Brown was about a break. They'd be like, oh, hold everything.

Matt Prater's going to attempt a 63-yard field goal. And now I actually don't even really think about it if it's a 60-yard field goal. It's, they're hitting the net. You get mad if they, if they miss like a 40 something yarder, even though that's like hard. That's kind of where I'm going.

Someone, like, someone made a missed a 54 yarder and they're like, and they're like, oh, and I'm like, you remember a hard 50? So here's, I started looking this up. The numbers are insane. But for 60 yarders, one third of all 60 yard field goals

ever made in pro football have been made since the beginning of the 2021 season. One third of all of them. That's two and a half. seasons. So it's like they, and then from 50 yards, so this is through, if I just look at the last eight weeks, because we're eight weeks in the season, so I feel it's the only way to compare. If you look at the last 15 years, teams have tried almost twice as many field goals from 50 yards this year through eight weeks than they did 15 years ago, almost twice as many. And I think that that's really like attempts is almost a better. And they're making them at a slightly higher rate.

But the attempts is interesting to me because coaches aren't going to let you try a kick unless they think you can make it. They know your range. So like the range itself has like double from 50 yards. They're just so many good kickers now. Well, I want to see somebody show up and like kick a 75 yarder. I'm surprised we haven't seen like a Victor, a Victor Wembe Nama or something where it's just like there's this free kicker that we've never seen before and he's drafted in the first round because he was kicking like 77 yarders in college. Like I feel like that's going to happen. And I'm surprised we haven't seen it yet. Some guy who just like dedicated his life from 10 years old on to becoming the greatest kicker in the world. Well, Roger Sherman, who is now just doing Road, Raj, just like going as many college football

games as humanly possible this year, I always asked this question of, like, if you had a kicker that could make a field goal from like, or no, he started with like, if you had a punter that could put the ball at the one yard light every time, where would you take him? Because the answer is obviously first overall, because field is like that's. And so if you had a kicker, how far would a kicker have to make up field goal consistently if you did just draft him first overall? First overall? Yeah. Because if he could just consistently make 70-yard field goals, he'd probably be worth more than like 25 quarterbacks. I think if you could hit a 75-yarder, you'd be maybe the first pick at the draft.

Because that would mean you're like around the 40-yard line, your own 40-yard line. You're scoring like on every drive, right? Yeah, that's the thing. It's like if you can actually, and that's kind of like if you could make is, and I'm saying like consistently is at that length, 65% of them even. It's pretty insane. You get basically get two first downs and you can feel a goal instead of punt. You essentially like 15, 20 yards, right. You kick that field goal.

The only issue is they'd have to be so accurate because if they missed, you're screwed because the other team is essentially in the red zone. Oh, that's true. It's like going forward on fourth in your own end. Yes. There is a weird rule that almost never happens that, wow, this isn't happening in years. If you fair catch a ball at the end of the first half when times expired, a punt, you get the time, you have the, you have the, you have the, you have the, you. option to elect a field goal, even if the time is expired. Actually, I think only if the time is, or if there's any time left, I forget it's out

it works. But if you take an onside kit, or not an onset, if you fair catch it and you get to do a field goal, but there's no defense. So you get to like line up for a kickoff style. What? I know this sounds crazy, but this is something Roger brought up, right? Are you gaslighting me? This is, maybe, yeah.

This is like you're trying to win a Toyota at half time of a basketball game. It is. It's like, so imagine the kickoff. I know. Yeah. I was like, did you just come up with that? We talked about this. For those who don't know, Craig made a lot of conversations, turns out.

Yeah, for those who don't know, Craig made a half-court basketball shot in college for a truck. And then never got the truck. There's a whole thing. I'm not going to lie. It's very impressive because Craig does it and doesn't, all the kids freak out. Craig's like, yeah, no, I knew that was going in. Hey, you had felt good coming off to hand fingertips. I should have done the Steph Curry thing.

I should have just shot it and turned around. Like Jordan Poole for the Wizards the other day. Jordan Poole does the spit around. God, I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying the Jordan Poole experience. To get a player on the Wizards that the Warriors traded away, shot a corner three, and then turned around to stare at the other bench and then bricked it. And he did go in while he was backwards to the basket. And then he could have gotten the rebound if he had just followed up.

Good, good. But yeah, that would have been good. But the point being, I'm serious. The real world, if you, fair catch the ball, part, you can a lot. you can elect for this kick, but there's no defense. So Justin Tucker's always said he could make a 75-yard field goal with the running start of no defense because he could just do a kickoff.

I mean, isn't that, isn't that, oh, I guess that, no, that's way further. I mean, what do you kick off from? The 25, the 25? The 25, they moved it back or up. I forget. I'm out the age where you're the kicker guy. You're the kicker guy. I know, but they changed it twice in my lifetime.

So now I feel old. I mean, if you kick off from the 20, I mean, that's 80 yards of field plus the end zone. They kickoff from the 35. Oh, they kickoff from the 35. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I mean, that's like 70, 80 yard field goal right there. And, I mean, guys are hitting that through the upright all the time on kickoffs.

D.K.'s been very polite, but I can tell he doesn't give a shit. Sorry. I'm sorry. This is a... I just don't care. Four kicks in the 20th century, 60. All right, whatever. It's fine.

It's not my thing. Is that what we got? Kicking is your ick. It's just so non-congruid with the rest of the sport. It's just weird. Wait, wait, before we go, we have to. The rain. There was so much rain today.

Craig asked the question, why can't you see rain on TV? I know that sounds stupid. And I know it is a stupid question. Everyone's wondering this. I've always, I've always wondered why, like, D.K. didn't know it was raining in the Giants game. It's insane. Well, I thought your question, I thought when you first asked,

I thought your question was like, why doesn't the rain hit the camera? And I was like, well, they have like a cover for it. But I'd actually, I get that part. No, it's like, you know what? They have to like show you the special shot of the announcers zoomed wrong to show you the rain. And then they cut back to the game. And then it, like, the rain's gone. And I mean, this is like a simple answer, but I think it has something to do with the focus of the camera.

Like the camera's lens is focusing on the players and on the field. No. I get that. But that's a word. I don't know what it means. There's no way that's correct. My guess is because when it's a close-up, even if you're focused on the player,

you can see the rain. And I think it's because when you're so far out and you're so zoomed out. The rain drops are too small. Wait, did you tell you literally think that's it. Yeah, I did not Google it. I'm just, I feel like it's common sense. It's just like the, I mean, water is quite literally see-through.

And it is too. God damn it. And like, and tell me, is a cloud, Chris. And like the raindrops are so like small that from a distance you can't see him. I think that's the answer. I think that's the answer. I really do. Oh, my God.

I think I work from home now so much that I'm like, can I see through rain when it's outside too? It's quite literally see through. Water is translucent. If anything, it's a miracle because you're like, can you imagine if it raid. You're like, yeah, can't put it on TV. You can't tell when it's rain. though because the game looks like it's like

foggy or something. There's just like a weird haze. I really don't think you can tell. Like you can tell based on the context clues, but it's incredible how sometimes you're like, oh, it looks like it rained and then they cut and you're like, oh my God, if you were outside in this, you have to tell from the fans and how sad they look. Oh, I know. Is it the frame rate? Is it something like that?

Who knows? No one knows. Again, when it's close up, you can see the rain. So I don't think that the frame rate. Do you know how many people listening right now are screaming the answer to us. This happens to us a lot, I feel like. Were you, I actually, are you guys laughing at me because my answer is so dumb or just at how stupid this conversation is? Because I literally think it's that. I'm laughing at us because we don't actually know the real answer. And I think it's that raindrops are small and the camera is far away.

I genuinely feel that way and there's see through and their see through. Everyone's like, well, the drops are too big. When you're photographing an entire field from a distance, yeah, you're not going to see tiny little raindrops. I kind of think that's just it. But there's so many raindrops. But they're also small. But my questions, I guess when I'm asking is that cameras work. Because when I'm there, I see the rain. Yeah. Well, your eye doesn't work like a camera. Right. Hey, there's an answer. There's an answer. Emails at ring infancy football and email.com. If you know why the cameras don't show the rain. We're going to get so many emails that are with the headline like, you guys are morons. We usually get a head. It's just like a piece of a map.

Every week, yeah. I feel like. All right. We're going to leave. Thank you, DK. We're asking the questions that matter, you know? Thank you in advance to everyone to email those explaining how the rain works. Well, no, actually, I want to know rain works too, but emailing us how the rain camera thing works.

Thank you, Carlos, for producing this episode. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Prince. Purple rain. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah.

Maybe Prince, he would know, I feel like. See, if the rain was purple. He would have a really good air. You would see it, but it is not. It is secret. I hope now that you're wrong. It's clear. Notoriously see-through.

Famously see-through. Like somebody tweeted at us that we sound like every conversation that's ever happened and always sunny. And like, I can't not see that now. Every time we have a conversation, I'm like, God, we're morons. So Pittsburgh is in Pennsylvania? Yeah, but Philadelphia is also in Pennsylvania. So how could that be?

Excuse me, what is this man saying? Is water transparent or translucent? It depends on the water. That's a good question. What is the difference between those two words, Craig? Transparen is totally see-through and opaque is not see-through at all and translucent in between. Translucent allows light but not detailed shapes. I think a translucent.

Translucent. You had a little Collinsworth moment there, Pash Rush, translucent. I think it depends on if the water is moving. I actually saw this thing on Instagram where if a water, if water is coming out of like a balloon at like a really even rate, it looks like it's like frozen.

You know what I mean? The water looks like a icicle. But it's actually a whole bunch of water flowing out. It's like this optical illusion. It's insane. Is that like how rims on cars look like they're going backwards sometimes? Oh, I have thought of that way.

Can I ask you stupid question? It's an optical. illusion, yes. To answer your question. Water coming out of a balloon. Don't you get the same effect with like your faucet? If you just look at it a certain way, you just turn a faucet on.

You must have the most badass faucet if your faucet looks like that. But I don't think most faucets do. But I, but he's, you're saying like if water comes out of like a spout in an even rate. It looks like it's paused. It looks like the water is just sitting there in space, not

moving. Like an ice- Why wouldn't a faucet do that though? Why wouldn't a sink? Because it doesn't come out at a uniform enough manner. Really? Water is sick. I love water. Can we start talking? Should we start talking about surface tension?

Well, it's the weak force. That's the weak force. It's crazy. It's actually like. There's like this whole thing that I read about last summer about why people like, have we talked about this? Why people like living near water? Because they don't want to die.

Yes, but like they don't actually. It's like a subconscious thought. I get here in California. This must be a mystery to you living near water. Well, no, but it's like people, like, no, like bodies of water. And they didn't, they were just like, I like living near water, but they like couldn't really explain why.

And it was like, you. Because you're evolved to be near water. Well, I mean, yes, the view. But yeah, civilization obviously, like, is built around water, right? It starts near water and then expands out. But I never really consider the fact that like, why people just like staring at water. And it, like, doesn't really make sense.

But people just like to sit and look at water. And do you know? When you actually think about it, it's funny because it's like, It's just flat and there's no features to it whatsoever. It's just water. You don't ever hear people being like, I just want to sit and look at a big old patch of grass. Just like grass as far as the eye can see.

I love that. But it's like water, absolutely. And it's because like if the inherent like human feeling of safety and security, if you're near water. DNA deep. Yeah. Anyway, I love water. It's like the opposite of an ick.

It's an ah. Ah, water. That's why you say that after you have a refreshing goal. glass. It's late. It's too late. That's good. That's all right. All right. Goodbye, everyone.