The Ringer NFL Show - Week 8 Winners, Waivers, and Burns

Episode Date: November 2, 2020

We lead the show with the players we are most worried about after a slow Week 8, including Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Ezekiel Elliot, and Jonathan Taylor. We also offer up our winners of the week, discuss players who deserve to be in the fantasy burn book, and recommend our top waiver adds after Week 8. Headlines: Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Chiefs (5:30) Ezekiel Elliot, Cowboys (9:34) Winners: DK Metcalf and AJ Brown (18:04) Joe Burrow and the Bengals (22:55) J.K. Dobbins and Zack Moss (26:33) Fantasy Burn Book (29:45) Waiver Adds (34:12) Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode, we talk about the running backs we're worried about like Zeke, Clyde, and Jonathan Taylor. We also run through the options to replace George Kittle and look at all the running backs on waivers. Well, not all of them, but all the good ones. Stick around. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. I'm Danny Heifitz here with Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck. Craig, Chargers backup quarterback. How are you feeling of that devastating loss yesterday?

We should be 7 and 0. I mean, it's really ridiculous. It's just like the Phil Rivers team all over again. And, you know, maybe the quarterback is the problem. Maybe it's Phil. Maybe it's Herbert. Maybe there was like a spell cast in you guys or something. Something's going on.

It was a spooky weekend for the charges. We just can't get a double-in-win. She never have left San Diego. That's what I'm saying. It was like that when they were in San Diego, too. Calm down. Let's not pretend. That's true, but San Diego's a lovely town, Danny.

Oh, yeah. I mean, San Diego's quaint, what I would call quaff. But do you guys want a fun fact? Sure. You know what Gropal is? Gropel Gropel is a light form of hail

Which I discover on Sunday When they're like It's gonna gropel in Cleveland Not sleet Not sleet Not hail It's called gropel And when I found out

It was gonna grople In Cleveland, Ohio For this Browns Raiders game Was when I realized You know what This is gonna be a weird ass football Sunday And it was Because there were like a half

A half dozen games Were affected by the rain It's weird You can't see rain on TV It's the wind You definitely can't see wind on TV and then there are kicks curving, like, wanted the movie, whatever. It was such a strange day.

It was a low-scoring day. What did you guys make of this week? Everybody's fantasy team was in, like, the red, you know, on Yahoo. You can see, everybody was like, projected points, 87. I was just looking through my leagues last night, and there was a legitimate, ridiculous amount of teams that were, like, under 100 points. And a lot of them were done for the week. So it was kind of a dud of a week in terms of,

fantasy scoring. I mean, like, if you look at some of the scores, teams were scoring points, but it was sort of this strange, you know, combination of defensive touchdowns and no-nameers scoring touchdowns. So like the fantasy days were, we're just kind of off. The fantasy stars didn't really do that well. So I'm going to read off a group of players that scored touchdowns on Sunday, well, over, you know, during the whole week. That were likely not on anyone's fantasy team. I mean, some of them may have been started, but there were low percent start players. most likely sitting on a lot of benches. Jordan Wilkins, DJ Dallas, two touchdowns,

Samadjai Pryde, Marvin Jones, who has just been terrible all-season long score, two touchdowns. Nahim Hines, Danny's guy from the beginning of the season, who everybody probably dropped to this point, back with two touchdowns. Curtis Samuel, two touchdowns. Miles Boykin, the Forgotten Man in Baltimore,

two touchdowns. Caron Johnson, the Forgotten Man in Detroit, two touchdowns, that's Craig's guy. DeMarcus Robinson, Mikul Harbin, KJ Hamler, David Moore, Ross Jwelly, Albert O, I'm not going to even try to say his name. Abuikunum, I believe, is how you say it.

Darnow Mooney, Tassum Hill is back. No, I think he was the QB 17 this weekend. So take that with what you will. I don't know if it was a QB. Deshawn Hamilton, Jack Doyle, who is in the Burnbook, Mike Williams. And then if you're looking through some of the scores, here's players that scored fewer than five points

in half PPR this week. George Kittle, Clyde Edwards-Alair, Mark Andrews, James White, Adam Thielen, Jonathan Taylor, Justin Jefferson, D. Andre Swift, John Hussmith, Cole Beasley, Uncle Cole. Even he failed us this weekend. Joshua Kelly, A.J. Green, Henry Ruggs, Tevin Coleman, Henry, had Henry Rugs twice there. That's mean. That's how about he screwed D.K. He should have had more. T.Y. Hilton, Mike Kosicki, Deontay Johnson, and Kenny Gulladay. Some of those were injury-related, but still, it was... The point is there was a lot of no-name or scoring points and, like, your startable, big,

name players were just kind of AWOL. So very strange week overall. There's actually a reader who emailed us in a name for this concept. Fantasy entropy. And entropy is, there's two definitions of entropy. One is just the general tendency toward chaos. But also just it's at its simplest level. It's just energy that isn't able to be transferred into mechanical work. So if you're like boiling water, the heat's supposed to go to the water and it boils it. But the heat that comes off it that you feel is useless heat. It's just lying around.

that heat isn't boiling the water. That's when Jordan Wilkins gets two touchdowns, and none of the players for Jonathan Taylor gets two touchdowns. And this was the most fantasy entropy week of anything we've seen so far of useless people scoring that didn't help anyone, except for like the real life teams, but who cares about that?

Except for Dalvin Cook. Yeah, except for Dalvin Cook. Who had one billion fantasy points? Literally the first player ever to score a touchdown on his team's first four drives. Crazy. Which is kind of what we've always wanted. Also, I'm somewhat surprised that hasn't happened before, which sounds crazy, but...

I don't know. Four drives in a row is a lot. So, you know, after this week eight here, like, how worried are we about certain guys? I feel like that's kind of where we're at now with this weird low-scoring week. It's like, well, how much is fools go and how much is real? The guy I'm worried the most about is Clyde Edwards-Hillair. It's like, yeah, he had 4.5 points this week or whatever, but are we worried long-term about him? So they've had a weird game script the past couple of weeks.

They played the Jets. They played the Denver in the snow. And that's what I call it now, the Denver. But if you look at the first six weeks without Levyon Bell, Clyde played like two-thirds of snaps. And with Levyon, he's playing like half the snaps. So he's dropped a little bit. And their touches in the last two weeks,

Clyde's had 21, Leves had 15. So he's not going away. And I can't imagine his Levy on Bell's role is going to get smaller. and the chiefs have one of the easiest schedules to finish out the year, which you'd think it's this most, it's such a bizarre thing with these chiefs because you thought the Jets

that they'd have a ton of carries. But they just get up so quickly because Mahom's throws like 80-yard touchdowns and then they just bench everybody. And they didn't run the ball. And it's like, how worried are we about Clyde? It's tough because you have to keep starting him, I feel like. Or, you know, if you sunk a big pick into him,

it's not like you're going to all of a sudden just sit him for good because he still is the lead back in that offense. But I do think, like you're saying, Craig, it's going to be very frustrating and variable, depending on the game. Like, the Chiefs, in a game that everyone expected them to just salt the game away in the second half

and run the hell out of the ball. They ran the ball. You know, like Clyde had six carries. Lev Bell had six carries. I was thinking it was going to be like 15 and 15. Right. Instead, they just passed the hell out of the ball all game long. And then this is coming off of a game.

High Fitz, I believe you said that it was, the most rush attempts ever from an Andy Reid game team. Maybe that was two weeks ago, but the bottom line is like, yeah, that was two weeks ago. It's, it's tough to predict what this team is going to do weekend and week out, and that makes Clyde very, like, risky. It's not tough. It's impossible because you have to know how the defense is going to play them, because I think the general way we approach these kinds of games at the most zoomed out level is that if we think a team's going to have a big lead in the second half, like in the second half, they're going to run the ball, protect the lead, not risking interception, try to kill the clock,

et cetera, et cetera. I think the problem is that the Chief's passing game has gotten the point where it's so good that they think passing is perfectly safe. They have no problem passing to just keep scoring. They don't think they're going to have any incompletions. They're just going to keep the clock moving and score and just run up the score until they win the game.

And they're at the point where they're so efficient. You have defenses. I mean, Patrick Mom said this, that the way that teams have started to play them It's just they just put their linebackers back. And they just keep playing six, seven, eight yards off the line of scrimmage. And that if they do that, they're going to run. But if they don't do that, they're going to keep passing.

So that's only specific to the chiefs because they're that good. But the flip side is that the chiefs aren't going to have patterns that are adaptable, like normal game script. They're not going to just be up so they'll start running. And I think that that's really infuriating because you're not really going to have any rhyme or reason of whether they're going to be, you know, the most run-heavy, game in Andy Reid's career, or Clyde's going to get six carries. We're just not going to have any idea.

But yeah, you're kind of stuck with it. Are you sitting Clyde then, Craig? No. You've got him on your team? You can't. No. One thing for certain, it's that you shouldn't have drafted Clyde's sixth overall, right? I think that's officially a regret.

He maybe should have gone in like the mid to late second round. But no, because you spent that much capital on him, I doubt you're in the position to be able to sit him. Well, let's also, let's also, I mean, look, it's not like, like, Kareem Hunt when he was a rookie and this Chief's offense like three years ago. I mean, he ended up being a top three running back from fantasy. And he had a couple bad weeks. Let's not forget, like, this is the Jets and that as the Chiefs get more competitive, we might see other things here. Like Levion Bell, it was a really weird situation with like Lev Bell and Elair for this game. I think we're

going to get a better idea of how the actual splits breakdown for the Chiefs over the next few weeks. But having said that you're going to figure it out with them in your lineup because you're not benching the best running back on the best team. DK. Is there other people that you're worried about for, I mean, we're almost halfway through the season at this point. Are there other people that you're worried about, just generally? Well, I'll let you take this one, but basically everybody on the Cowboys at this point are... Except Michael Gallup, I guess, who's just Danucci's favorite guy. It's a freaking bizarre world.

I believe it was the second best game of the season for Michael Gallo. I told you guys, I don't know if you remember last week I was like, Gallup is freaking lobbying for some targets. He said that Danucci was slinging that thing around or something like... Office politics at the NFL level. I love it. But I don't think Danucci is probably gone after the... I mean, at this point, it's back to Dalton.

But are you feeling like after these last two weeks, Dalton and Danucci, how are we feeling about it? Can we even play the Cowboys anymore? I think you have to hold out hope that Dalton is going to return. He's going to regress to being an average quarterback. And that they're going to have some semblance of an offense that everybody will put up average numbers and you can maybe start everybody as your flex.

Are the Cowboys just like the Dallas flexes now? Dallas flexes. I mean, at best, because the crazy thing is, so we talked a lot on Friday, but whether you should play a Mori Cooper. I mean,

he got one catch for five yards, and he was invisible in that game. Brutal. And, I mean, if that's the floor with Danucci, and that's terrible, even when Dalton comes back,

I mean, you know, if he clears concussion protocol this week as he's expected to do, it's not like you're getting a lot of practice, and that's a disaster. Also, Dallas is a hard.

Dallas is a hard schedule coming up. And then if you think, well, the only... The only bedrock that you think for the Cowboys is, we'll at least play Zeke. The Cowboys have eight games left. Seven of those eight games are against above average run defenses. Like the Steelers have one of the best rundies, the Ravens, the Eagles, they have to play again.

They have Niners. Teams that control the line of scrimmage that are probably going to dominate Dallas's backup line. There's very little room for optimism here. And, I mean, again, like I feel like at this point, point, it's probably too late, but I would trade away any of these guys if you can get anything close to value on them, especially Zeke. But at this point, it's just kind of, it's awful. Like, would you rather have, I mean, I feel like Zeke, Jonathan Taylor and David Montgomery are all

equal in my eyes at this point. Volume running back some terrible, well, not terrible offenses for Indianapolis, but just boring guys who are touchdown dependent. It's kind of crazy that it's come to that, but on Friday, we're going to have to really get into like some, who, like, who the hell do we start in that, in that range? Like, are you going to, should you just, should you just start Jordan Wilkins over Zeckel Elliott? Well, here's the key to. Zika hasn't been good. I can't really stress this enough. He's not impressive. Has Zika had five

runs this season where you're like, oh, yeah, he looks great. I think he looks good in the first two weeks, and then it's completely fallen off. I don't know if... Even Collinsworth was kind of shitting on him a little bit last night. A lot of people, a lot of people on Twitter are saying, many people are saying high kids. That Pollard is better than Zique at this point. Well, look, we don't have to get a roster building here,

but I think at this point, the Cowboys let Byron Jones, their cornerback go and paid Zika Elliott. And I think in retrospect, if you could have Byron Jones and Tony Pollard, that would probably be a better combo than playing Jordan Lewis and Daryl Worley. Yeah, they also did not pay DAC yet either. Oh, yeah. Details, details. We don't need to go into that. But neither here nor there. But the point is, if you have these guys, you're screwed.

Is that the theme of this so far? Sorry, if you have these guys, you probably got to play him and you're screwed. I got many, not many. I got a few Zeke offers this past week. And I was just like, no. I mean, I don't want it. At this point, it's like, you're exactly right. You're trading for a David Montgomery, like a low-ceiling, high-volume guy who is in a terrible, terrible offense.

And like, like, Hafeud said, they've got a really tough slate of defense is coming up, so I don't see anything getting better. I can't believe it's falling this far as far as the week? Honestly, can we make that the poll this week? I like that for a poll. Which disappointing running back would you rather have the rest of the thing? season. Zique, David Montgomery, or Jonathan Taylor? How would you guys, who would you guys take out of that three? I think I would take, God, I think I would take Jonathan Taylor, then Montgomery, then Zique. I think I'm anchoring here, but I still would take Zique. I don't know. So, I don't

know. It feels nuts. Montgomery has outplayed Zeeke the last three. It feels nuts to not take Zique, right? And almost like we're doing this performatively. But the reality is if you strip away the sexiness of like Ezekiel L. 80 was a top five pick, Cowboys running back like 13 and 3 rookie year. Like you take that stuff away and you just think about it. This offense isn't going to put drives together. They're not going to get first downs. Like, they're just not going to be on the field very much.

They're not going to be in the red zone. He's not going to get a lot of scoring opportunities. He had what? He was something, I forget how many carries he had 60 something yards, no touchdowns. That feels like his future. A lot of seven and eight point weeks. At least I don't know.

I mean, it's not like the Bears have exciting offenses, but at least on the Colts, I mean, it seems nuts to plug Jonathan Taylor this week after he had, what, 22 yards? But I almost would rather have Jonathan Taylor. It seems nuts, but I think I would. This reminds me of last week. I mean, think about where we were a week or two ago

when we're like, would you rather have T. Higgins or C.D. Lamb? And we were like, wow, I think it might be T. Higgins. Now it's obviously T. Higgins. It's not even close. Right. Yeah. So if you look at where this is trending, I don't know. Zeke's trending down.

So yeah, vote on that poll on the Spotify app. If you have it, check below the title of the episode and you'll see it. Yes, please vote. We are not offering you free iPad. We're just saying please. Please vote in the poll. We really like the polls. Maybe one day we'll be able to give iPads.

One day, yeah. We can work on that. Okay. Let's get who won the week? Yeah. It's going to do it. All right. Top scores for this week.

This is before Monday and a football. Oh, thank God. I don't even want to think about that game today. The top scores so far. Patrick Mahomes is the QB1 for week 8. Russell is the QB2. Stafford's the QB3. Russ Wilson has the most fantasy points ever through seven games.

And as the fifth most fan of points through seven games period, any position. He's doing okay. He's all right. Can you guys guess the top five through seven games, fantasy points ever? I'm going to go with Priest Holmes, Marshall Falk, McCaffrey, Todd Gurley.

Are you bad? Oh, you read the thing I wrote. Yeah, I did. Obviously, I was saying don't read that. That's such, why would you read it? You know, I used to put some things in like invisible ink, which is like I would write it in white text, and then I would have to highlight it to see it.

You guys made fun of me, so I stopped doing it. Now you're reading it. Man, that makes it no fun. I could just have the power to edit your reaction out and then just leave me getting it perfectly right. Yeah, you know what? I won't do that. Wow, Craig.

Well done. Amazing work. Thank you, DJ. Great job. See, you're Michael Gallup, D.K., you're the Michael Gallup of this podcast. You're just like Craig's slinging it this week. Okay. Running back.

Those good edits. Calvin Cook was the RB1. Zach Moss was the RB2. I'm going down the list here because it's nuts. Yovani Bernard was the RB3. Jordan Wilkins for Indianapolis was the RB4. And then Neheme Hines was the RB5. And then DJ Dallas for Seattle was the...

Yeah, can we point out that the RB4 and 5 are on the same team and both are not, Jonathan Taylor? Fuck. That's crazy. I don't even know... Don't you love fantasy? Why do we play this game? That's like if Kanye West won the election and then number two is like...

Who ran for the Green Party last year? Right, yeah. Neither Trump or Biden. It was just... Okay, so we have to give a little credit to Dalvin Cook here. Again, I mentioned the four touchdowns and the first four possessions. That was a crazy game. The first half was just long Vikings touchdown,

long Vikings touchdown, long Packers touchdown, long Packers touchdown half time, which was nuts. But Dalvin Cook, he had the third biggest game ever for a player who had missed the prior week. And that's like since 1950. So I guess don't worry about groin injuries. Suck it up everyone else. Dalvin Cook was my first, he's my first round pick in the best ball

draft so feeling good. Ooh, damn it. Didn't that start? Doesn't that start for week nine? Not, didn't count last week? Oh, shit. It doesn't count. Oh, that's horses shit.

God damn it. Sorry. Got to read the fine print, my guy. Okay, so Dalvin's amazing. Just keep going through receiver. Receiver, it was D.K. Metcalf, unbelievable. Wide receiver two is Devante Adams. Then it was Tyree Kill.

And then shout out to Bobby Trees. He was fourth. Tide in it was Travis, Kelsey, Jared Cook, and Eric Ebrun were the top three. And then a defense was the Eagles against Danucci, the Steelers against Baltimore, Lamar played awful. And then the Dolphins against the Rams, which was absolutely nuts to watch. So all that said, D.K., who's your winner of the week?

So my winner of the week is Ole Miss's 2018 receiver core, which was made up of several players, but most notably, D.K. Metcalfe and A.J. Brown, who, let me ask you guys this question. Next year, at this time, like halfway through the season, would you be surprised at all if we were talking about DJ and AJ being the two best receivers in the NFL full stop. Next year you could convince me that you could argue it right now. Right now.

Yeah. I mean, to me that is just it's astounding. These two guys were on the same team on Ole Miss and the team wasn't even good. Like it was a bad team. Like they were I think like five and seven or something like that. The quarterbacking was atrocious. But that's neither here nor there.

What I really want to talk about is how like physically dominant both of these guys are. AJ Brown had a really incredible catch where he kind of spun around and broke a few tackles, managed to get into the end zone. And then D.K. Metcalf, just a really, really great running catch on a slant route. And then he overpowered a guy in the end zone, just walled him off later in the game. Two touchdowns. We have to linger on that D.K. touchdown.

That was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen him do. Obviously, that rundown he had against the Niners, or not the sort of the Niners. Oh my God, the Cardinals on that overtime game. That is going to be not just the highlight of his season. That might be like the highlight of his career. But the touchdown he had where he just, I don't know if it was a slant or I think it was just honestly an in. He just 90-degree angle.

Caught a ball, the defender. First of all made the defender trip. It was so well run. And then he just, he was running up on the left side. And then just jogged horizontally, outran three or four different defenders just ran up to side there for a touchdown. And anyone else, it would have been, and I'm talking anyone else in the NFL.

except maybe Tyree Kill that would have been like an 8, 12-yard gain. And he just scored a 30-yard touchdown. And my jaw dropped like I was a cartoon. Yeah, yeah. You can see, you can see when he starts making the turn up the field, he turns on the juke, like, you know, so remember when he chased down the guy against Cardinals, where he was just running in like perfect, like running motion. I'm telling you, it was like Optimist Prime.

Yeah. Or no, it's a Mo's from the office. He did the Moes office thing. You can see him get into that. Like immediately as he starts turning the corner, he hits the gas, and then he's just gone. Like, his accelerator, he has drag racer acceleration. This is something I said, like, in my pre, like, when I was scouting him out of Ole Miss, is like that, that acceleration is rare.

And. D.K., where does he rank amongst your favorite Seattle Seahawks of all time? Is he quickly rising? Of all time? Wow. Yeah, he's definitely getting up there now. I mean, I would say probably give it, like, another year or two before he's, like, top five. because you still have Sherman,

Cam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, some of the all-time greats in terms of the defensive players, and then obviously, like Wilson, you have like Largent. Marshawn.

Yeah, Marshawn. How could I forget Marshawn? He's probably number one, honestly. But DK is definitely making his way up the list. I bet you by the end, at the end of the day, he'll either be number one

or number two behind Marchan for me. I think D.K. Metcalfe has become one of the coolest players faster. than anyone since Odell Beckham. I also think it's really cool that he bucked what everyone said about him, that like he wasn't going to work out, and he was just going to be like this stiff

giant man that you could only run deep. To be fair, I said that. I didn't think he'd be... Yeah, I just think it's cool that he's like one of the most dynamic past catchers in the league. I also just quickly want to shout out the tweet you reference, A.J. Brown tweeted, I mean, the thing where D.K. Metcalfe went viral and it was like he looks like he's the Hulk

was a tweet by A.J. Brown. And the caption on the tweet, everyone ignored because it was like, oh my God, look at D. DK McK. chest. But the thing H.J. Brown said is this about to be bigger than O'Dell and Jarvis land you when they entered the draft. Two potential first-run draft picks in the same school, NFL, I hope you're ready. And I remember thinking when I saw that, I was like, dude, why would you compare yourself to the best receiver combo in the NFL? Like, why? And then, dude, they're so much better than Odell and Jarvis already. It's not even close. So, yeah,

props to H.A. Brown in them. I think it's fascinating, too, that they're in their own sort of category as receivers too, like these big, physically dominant, like, Des Bryant in his prime, maybe even like Megatron in his prime. I'm not saying, I'm not saying the D.K.'s Metatron, but like just physically overpowers guys. And both of those guys can do it. Russell Wilson went on Bill's podcast. And I think in that discussion, I think the name that came up was Terrell Owens. And I actually think that's the correct comp for D.K. Metcalfe. That is the last player that reminds me of him. D.K. Metcalf is 22. He's 22. That's the thing. It's one thing when you say it.

And he's already doing this. But it's another one you're like, every week he just does something that you're like, no, actually, that is the comp. Anyway, Craig, do you have a winner for this week? Yeah, Joey covers in the Bengals, baby. Once again, Joe Burrow covers and actually just outright won against Tennessee this week with no offensive line starters from week one. Not a single one was playing today.

And he was sacked zero times, which is great. He was finally not thrown around like a rag doll. But the Bengals offense in general is, pretty exciting and it's getting better almost every week. They're kind of like the Chargers, which is funny because it's Herbert, but they're in pretty much every game. Every loss that they've had this year is by five points or less besides that blowout to Baltimore. And if you look at the past three weeks for the Bengals, it's been the best three weeks stretch fantasy-wise for pretty much every player in the team. Burrow, Boyd, Higgins, A.J. Green, and Gio Bernard.

It's been the best combined three weeks in fantasy, even if you take any three weeks in a row. So it's fun to have taken the risk on somebody like T. Higgins or even Tyler boring name Boyd. And it's really, really paid off. The next three weeks, the next four weeks, they have a biweek. But then after that, they come back with Pittsburgh, which is tough. But then after that, they have Washington. They have the Giants. They have Miami and they have Dallas. So I think the good times are going to keep rolling for the Bengals. My other thought from this game was that it confirms to me that the Titans defense is one of the ones you want to be playing against every week. Like we've been talking about the Seahawks

the one you want to face. Oh, yeah, for sure. The Jaguars, when you're going to fit, the Titans are right there. Honestly, considering the Seahawks are getting Jamal Adams back and just traded for Carlos Dunlap, the defensive end from Cincinnati, the Titans' defense might be better as it going forward than Seattle to go against

because they have no pass rush. They spent $20 million plus in Janavian Clowny and Vic Beasley. They suck. They don't do anything. And they have no secondary. I think they just traded for Desmond King from the charges. I don't think that's going to fix anything. Like, here's the thing.

The Titans are allowing opponents. Have you guys seen this to, convert and third down 62% of the time. If you combine third and fourth, 62 and a half percent of the time. Ben Simmons for the Philadelphia 76ers made free throws at a lower rate

than teams against the Titans are converting on third down. That is crazy. And it's one of, like I'm talking like no team in NFL history has allowed like 50% of third down conversions. The Titans are at 63. And they couldn't even get a pass rush

on Cincinnati, who has one of the three worst offensive lines. In theory, the Bengals were the worst offensive line the Titans are playing all year. They couldn't pressure them. So, Dean P is the defensive coordinator, retired over the offseason. And I just think the Titans, this Bengals thing was half to me about the Bengals and T. Higgins and Burroughs really good. It's also like the Titans are playing the Bears this week. I think that we talked about the Seahawks defense being like the Rainbow and Mario

cart. I think the Titans might be that too for the second half of the season. I would, you know, if you have any hesitancy about David Montgomery this week, where Alan Robinson or even, you know, if you want to throw Jimmy Graham in the mix, I think that this Titans defense is awful. Well, yeah, I mean, shit. Now, I mean, this is like an immovable object

going up against an unstoppable force with the Bears' anemic offense versus Tennessee's defense. We're going to see who budges. An extremely movable object against the very light force. A couple of notes on Burrow. He, right now he is third in the NFL in passing yards.

This is Monday afternoon, so Monday night football hasn't been factored in yet, but I don't think that'll change. He's third in passing yards. He's on track to have the most. yards for a rookie passer ever. And he is currently the QB8.

So I'm feeling better about my bold take that he would finish top six. We'll get into those on Wednesday. From before the year. And we'll get into those on Wednesday, like Craig said. We're going to kind of revisit and give some second half predictions too. All right. My one of the week was all the rookie running backs not drafted in the top 50 because Clyde was awful and Jonathan Taylor was awful.

But the other ones had good weeks. DJ Dallas, who, I mean, you probably only had if you added him on Sunday or, you know, deeper leagues if you're listening. but four-string special teamer for Seattle ended up with two touchdowns. Shout out to him. Zach Moss for the Bills, who was invisible for the first six or seven weeks of the season, out-snapped Evan Singletary for the first time this season, had 20 points, most importantly, six Red Zone carries. Singletary had one. The Bills don't have a great schedule for like run defense coming up, and it's not great because Josh Allen is like the goal lineback. But still, whatever,

Zach Moss looks like a starting running back. Good for him. And then also, J.K. Dodd, Dobbins, D.K., you have been screaming from the rooftops. Thank you. There were actually calls about, like, noise ordinances you were violating. People were like, what is this guy? But you're screaming from the rooftops for J.K. Dobbins. Ingram had to get hurt. And then 16 touches for 121 yards.

Who cares? If you watch that game, you were like, holy crap, why is this guy not playing more? If you watch literally any game from this year, you would ask that question. This pisses me off. This is exactly what I've been like screaming about. You know, you know, Independence Day, when the crazy guy, Randy, Quaid? Oh, yeah. Is it Randy? He's like, I've been saying it for 10 damn years. I have I can't believe you brought that up. I have such a freaking problem with that movie because it's

perfect movie except for that, which makes no sense. Because they're literally at a meeting about aliens descending on the planet and it's so serious, they need random people to be pilots. And the guy stands up and it was like, I was abducted by aliens. And everyone laughs at him. Dude, you're at the meeting to find pilots to fight aliens. Why is this not a believable story? Listen to the guy. Listen to D.K. But pretty bad plot hole. I'll admit, but I love that line.

I've been saying it for 10 damn years. Give the ball to J.K. Dobbins. They're picking nits is over. But yeah, JK Dobbins, if he lost DJ, we'll get into waivers in a little bit. But a huge week for the rookie running mix. That, you know, weren't drafted high. The Ringer Fantasy Football Show is brought to you by Fandul.

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Who cannot sit with us? Do you guys have anyone for the Burn Book this week? I'll say before we start with official submissions, I was tempted to put Deonté Johnson in there. After I spent like 20 minutes singing his praises last week about how he's the number one for the Steelers and you can forget about it because he uses all, like the way that they use him.

he's like the de facto number one. He's always going to go in there, get volume. And then he goes out and has like one catch this week. He did get injured for a little bit, but that didn't really explain the whole story. I think he missed like a few minutes in the first quarter. He came back in the second quarter. That's par for the course.

I mean, he is truly boom or bust. So frustrating. So frustrating. Still like him as a player, I think he's really good. And I think typically, like normally speaking, he's going to have all the volume that you want. But man, it's just like, This year has been really, really brutal.

Every time I feel like I put him in my lineup, he just gets a goose egg. So not putting them in there, but I wanted to. That's how I feel about Marquise Brown. And apparently that's how Marquis Brown feels about the Ravens, because did you guys see what he tweeted? Yeah. Yeah, he's not so happy with Baltimore. It's so infuriating because he has so many air yards. And it's interesting, it almost makes me feel better when I'm looking from the outside.

I'm like, wow, why isn't Marquise Brown getting more touches? And then Marquis Brown is like, hey, guys, why aren't I getting more touches? And it's like, in a way, it makes me feel better. But it's, so maybe we should just put the Ravens in the burn, but I'm going to give it them another week because I'm hoping, you know, maybe squeaky wheel. Maybe he'll get something. I don't know. Yeah, I'm the same way.

My guy's Jonathan Taylor. I mean, this was the week. Like, this was coming out of the by. They're playing Detroit. You had a shitty run defense. Everyone was like, here we go. And then like, you're in the third quarter and they're just jamming Jordan Wilkins down people's throats.

And same with Naim Hines. and I don't know. There was a bad video that D.K. showed us in our slack of Jonathan Taylor kind of doing some Trent Richardson-esque stuff

just running into somebody's butt instead of hitting the hole that was wide open to the left. Those clips are always a little bit dangerous to use as evidence because you don't know, I didn't look into the context

like maybe he just needed to get like six inches for it first down or something. But the clip is against the Jets. He runs directly into his offensive line and then like it's like the controller gets stuck

and he just goes, like, it's like he's just running his feet into nothing, and there's this giant hole to his left. All he has to do is turn, and he doesn't do it. Maybe football's not your sport. That's enough of that. People are getting real Trent Richardson vibes right now with Jonathan Taylor. I don't think it's that bad. I don't think we need to panic quite yet, but he's been very disappointing, honestly.

And Frank Reich apparently said that now he has a little bit of an ankle problem, but he didn't know that during the game, and it's something Reich learned after the game, so maybe Jonathan Taylor kept it quiet. I don't know. Either way. Yeah. And he got fewer carries as the game went on. So maybe that's ankle. But he's,

but it's when Frank Reich is clarifying, no, no, no, I bench him because I thought he was bad. Then I realized he was hurt. That's, that's not what you want,

folks. So that's, but we're not going to burn. We'll take a hiatus on the burn this way. We're all like right on the verge. Yes. But we're not going to burn any of these people. Yeah.

There's some, there's some burn book people on notice right now, but not quite. Yeah. Burn notice? That's a thing, right? Oh,

I love burn notice. Did you ever watch burn notes? There's a whole SNL sketch about that show. What is burn notice? No, I loved burn notice. Burn notice is amazing and it had me from the first episode because the first five minutes of the first episode he breaks into someone's house.

And it's like, if you're breaking to someone's house, don't wear a ski mask. Like, I just go to the fridge and grab a yogurt. Because if someone breaks, if someone comes downstairs and they're like half awake and they see someone in a ski mask, it's going to freak out and call the police. But if someone's eating a yogurt casually,

they're going to be like, what are you doing here? And you're like, what are you doing here? And then like, you can just leave. and they'll be like, yeah, it's fine. Great show. So if you find somebody in your home eating yogurt, it's probably hyphids. I mean, only if you have strawberry. I'm trying to get into like Greek yoga. It's a whole thing. Only if you have strawberry. Well, because I used to do the yellow play, but that's like, you know, I realize that's,

you know, I have to kick the habit. I have to get into the Greek string stuff. Yeah, you got to Greek. Anyway, let's move on. Waverwire? Yeah, let's do this. If anyone has, like, yogurt tips with like oatmeal, please email them in the ringer Fantasy football at gmail.com. I'm trying to get my yogurt oats thing going. So that would be great. Craig's like, I'm cutting that.

Okay, waiver wire. Injuries. Kenny Goladay hurt his hip for Detroit. T.Y. Hilton on the Colts has a groin injury. Darrell Henderson for the Rams has a thigh injury. Tevin Coleman for the Niners left with the knee. We don't really know the severity of this one yet, but he left the game right after he returned from the IR.

Calvin Ridley has the same injury. It's the same injury that kept him out the previous few weeks. So it doesn't look good for Kevin Coleman in my opinion. Calvin Ridley left. Thursday night football game with a foot sprain, not considered serious, but still a foot sprain. Jimmy G has an ankle injury that is high sprain, right? High ankle sprain. High ankle sprain. He's supposed to be out six weeks, potentially the rest of the season if they end up getting surgery. So I kind of think Jimmy G's season is over.

It's the same one, right? The same ankle that he hurt previously. Yeah, and he's got compounding injuries at this point, right? Like, it's been several different things. And he hasn't been playing well. I don't know why they would rush him back at this point anyway. Like, if you watched yesterday's game against the Seahawks, he had, I think, through three quarters, he had 61 passing yards against the defense that has given up the most passing yards through seven games of any team in history.

He had 61 passing yards. He was playing terrible. I don't think he was totally healthy, but the big news, though... No, he wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't. The big news is that George Kittle has an ankle injury, too. He left shortly after doing he did.

A foot injury. He has a broken foot. Yeah. So he could... potentially miss. Well, he's probably going to miss, you know, at least a month, but potentially the entire season per Adam Schaefter, he might miss the rest of the year. So 49ers are just, yeah, 49ers are badly injured.

All right. So let's go position by position here. We'll talk about people to pick up for each spot here. Let's start running back, as always. There's a lot here. I'm just going to like run through these names that people in considerations from shallow leagues all the way through deep. But basically you're talking about J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards in Baltimore.

Zach Moss for the Bills Jamichael Hasty for the Niners they're on Thursday night football especially if Tavin Coleman isn't going to be able to play Damien Harris for the Patriots Jordan Wilkins and Neheme Hines for the cults depending what the deal is with Jonathan Taylor Malcolm Brown and Cam Acres for the Rams

depending if Darrell Henderson's hurt We don't know the deal And then DJ Hallis if the DJ Dallas If the top three running backs in Seattle are out We like all those guys to varying degrees Who do you like the most out of those DK Well obviously Dobbins If he's still out there he's he's rostered in 60s

percent of league, so he's probably not in most appeals leagues. But if someone has, you know, neglected to pick this guy up after all the begging that I've done all season for the freaking Ravens to play this guy, he would be my number one choice. You know, again, you can never assume that coaches will make logical decisions, but it was clear to literally anybody watching that game. Dobbins is the best running back on that group. And also, guess Edwards is probably better than Mark Ingraham, too. Edwards has been running well as well. So I would say Dobbins would be my, my number one choice. I would then probably throw it to either Moss or Harris for the Patriots because Damien Harris, he's not getting a ton of volume, but he's definitely done well with his opportunities. I don't love either of those because Josh Allen steals goal line carries, Cam Newton steals goal line carries. By the way, Josh Allen and Cam Newton are kind of like the same player. They're strikingly similar. Yeah, Alan's been more

accurate as a passer this year, obviously, but they do the same thing to the running backs on their team in sense that they still a lot of those high value carries. And then from there, I think it's worth taking a shot on either Acres or Brown at this point if Henderson ends up missing time. They do have a buy. The Rams have a buy this week.

So we could end up seeing, you know, Henderson just come back after the buy, but it's worth taking a shot in one of those two guys. Henderson leads the way in like running backs that everybody like, I mean, you never root for anybody to get hurt. But like, I feel like there's a lot of people out there just kind of hoping he cramps up one game so Kamakers can get 15 carries. Yeah. And then honestly,

what do you guys think about this Wilkins-Nay-Minds thing? What do we do? What do we do with the Colts backfield? So I think that you hope for the best, you prepare for the worst. They're playing Baltimore next week. Yeah, they're playing Baltimore, so don't prepare for some revelation on this week. I think if you have Jonathan Taylor, I would not trade him at a very low value. I would hold on to him. If you have someone in your league who is trying to panic trade him and sick of him, I would maybe go get him. I would also have Jordan Wilkins because I think that the Colts

offense is waking up. I think their defense is very good. I kind of do still want this running game. It still is a good offensive line. I think that this could be a good running game for the second half of the season. I want whoever the guy is. Hines is the past catching role. I've talked the preseason. He's Danny Woodhead in this old Chargers offense for

Philip Rivers. That's his role. He's really good. I mean, Niam Hines is fantastic. He makes a lot of place. You see the back flip he did after he made that. And Simone Biles quote tweeted it and was like, great job. That was impressive. The other guy to keep in mind now that Coleman is likely out for a bit is Michael Hasty, who we talked up all of last week.

It's probably going to be McKinnon and Hasty for the next couple of weeks here. And then as soon as Moster comes back, I think Moster assumes the starting job, but we don't really know when that's going to be. Yeah, Hasty was fine when Coleman and McKinnon were all in. But now that's back to two people, I think Hasty's right back to leading the backfield and carries. Also, sorry, we didn't button up the Colts thing. I think Wilkins is the priority over Heinz. And I love Heinz. But I think Wilkins just on the off chance they actually give him the starting job, which again, the point here is we have uncertainty. Wilkins might just take

the job. It also might be a completely random one week. But on the off chance, he's the starting running back for the Colts now or the leadback. I kind of want Wilkins on my team. Just on aside on Wilkins, he's been quietly like the best fourth string running back in the NFL for like two or three years running now every year because I pay attention to this I keep I keep track of it like during the season and during the off season like elusive rate for from PFF like broken tackles per carry you know total broken tackles all that stuff yards after contact per carry Wilkins is always really high on all those lists he's a legitimately good player but for whatever reason the Colts have just never really given him too many

carries and not enough opportunities. I think we saw it in the game yesterday. Like, he's actually a pretty good player. I don't know, again, I don't know if he's going to continue to get that volume, but it's not like he's just some Joe Schmoe, I don't think. In the before times, you know, when we saw each other in person, Lombardi always talked about we're a couple injuries from a really good team. And to Craig's point of like, no one roots for people to get hurt.

But sometimes there are people in a depth chart that whether they were drafted really high, they were free agents signed to a lot of money, there are guys who are getting outplayed. by people behind them, but can't be benched because of the optics. And you look around the league right now, and you look at, I mean, Zeeke and Dallas, where I think a lot of Cowboys fans are wondering if Tote Pollard is just better for that team. And you look at this one where it's like, I mean, Wilkins was just better than Taylor, as you're saying,

like there are just certain guys that you're looking around. You're like, wow, like this guy should just be the starter, but they can't kind of do it. And if that's the case in the culture like screw it, maybe we can win the division, maybe we can make a playoff run. Wilkins is the guy. I think he's a high priority.

I want to give you guys, I want to throw a few stats of you guys from Rich Rebar from Sharp Football Analysis. He had an awesome tweet up this morning. In terms of running backs with at least 50 touches this season, J.K. Dobbins leads in mistackle rate per touch, 32%. Mark Ingram is last. Oh my God. That's strike against the Ravens. Are you serious? And then the strike against the Colts so far this year. And I mean, again, I've been the guy that's trying to get Jonathan Taylor more touches. But Jonathan Taylor, and among those 52 running backs is 48th in miss tackle rate per touch. Jordan Wilkins is third.

Wow. That's, oh, well, that seals it. There's volume, there's volume considerations there. And wait, Hyvich. Do you want to do a lap here about Damien Harris? I'm so happy about that. Yeah, pick up Damien Harris if he's still around in your league. I think that, I think because there are so many IR spots in fantasy this year because

of COVID, I know that there's like some real blood feuds people about whether you can use the IR spots for just IR for only Corona people. but the leagues where you just had I are. I think a lot of people stashed Damian Harris, and that's paying off. He's four games this year, 200-yard marks this season. He's just so clearly the best guy in that team.

It's clearly the best running back. It should really just be he's the main runner. James White's the pass-catching guy, and Rex Burkett spells them every now and then. But I think the Patriots can't pass, but they're still a good running team with good run-blocking. I think Damien Harris is going to be really good

to the rest of the season. I mean, I think he's a starter. How do you rank these running back ads here? I think there's clear tiers. I'm hesitant to just do one, two, three, four, five, six. Because to me, there's a clear top tier of Dobbins, Harris, Moss, in that those guys look like the leadbacks on a team that will run for the rest of the season. And hasty.

And hasty, well, would you put him lower? It depends what you need. If you need someone for like this week, Hasty's top tier because he's going to play. It's Thursday night football. I don't think Kevin Coleman's going to play. And but so I think that. Dobbins, Moss, Damien Harris are guys that are going to just get the majority of snaps and carries the rest of the season.

Below that it's hasty, who I think every week that Coleman and Moss stood are out is a top 20 play with way more upside because it's the Niners, but eventually he's going to lose playing time, probably. Yes, yeah, yeah. And then in that category is Jordan Wilkins, who could be good, could also fade back into irrelevance immediately. We have no idea. And then Malcolm Brown and Cam Acres are in that same category to me of like, just

you're playing the slots and like you're just kind of hoping. and they could be relevant, but in reality, you're probably going to get a lot of mid-link performances from them. So, and then DJ Dallas is kind of like if you're in a deeper league

and somehow he's out there still, then, you know, you want to grab him because it seems like you might have a role. But to me, the priority is Dobbins, Moss, Harris, hasty, Wilkins,

in that order. And also, I want to put Gus Edwards in there, too, if you're anything like, where do we put Edwards? I think Edwards is good. He's a good runner. I love Gus Edward.

Craig's the Gus Edwards hater. Craig's hate, Craig hates Gus the bus. I just don't like his nickname. I think he's a good player. That's because Jerome Bettis is the bus. No, it's because Gus the bus. You can't be named Jerome and be called the bus.

I guess it's because of the Steelers. But whatever. Any qualms there? No, I think that makes sense. It's two wide receivers. All right. And again, Kenny Gallaudet is out, so that sucks. So if you have Kenny Gallaud in your team,

definitely give it a listen. D.K., who do you like this? This was a strange week. Yeah, so there's actually one guy that stands out, well, two guys that stand out the most of me in this list. I think Corey Davis of the Titans, who has still rostered in only 47% of Yahoo Leagues. He had missed two games on the COVID list,

but otherwise he's been very productive and consistent this year, quietly. And this was one of Craig's preseason sleeper players because he'd been kind of just forgotten, the forgotten man behind A.J. Brown. But he has double-digit points in half PPR in four out of five games he's played this year, 10 targets in both of the last two games. He had eight catches, 128 yards, and a touchdown on Sunday.

he's been the number two, I guess, like de facto on the team behind A.J. Brown, but he's getting good volume, and he's a good player. Yeah, right? He was the number four pick in the draft or whatever it was, and I think we all judged him a little too hard on the Marriota Titans. Yeah. So, you know, I think he's a must add this week.

And then the other guy who I'd say is a must add is Marvin Jones, of the Lions, who becomes the Lions de facto number one with Gulladay out. And Galday could miss some significant time here. We'll have to see how it goes. I feel bad because we just said to cut him, and now Gallaud it gets hurt. You can't predict injuries, to be honest, but he is picking up his pace. He's six catches or five catches for 80 yards last week. Three catches for 39 yards and two scores this week.

Obviously has Matt Stafford's trust, and he's a big play guy down the field. The Lions are tough to trust in general with anything. But I do think he is a must add at this point, just kind of see how it all shakes out. Yeah, that's probably the first tier of guys. Yeah, I would say that's the clear top tier. And then we'll get into, I guess, a group, it's like a plateau of guys below that. Curtis Samuel, the Panthers, they're using him as a running back a little bit. So I think he's interesting.

He's had a touchdown in two straight games. Is Mikul Hardman finally happening? I don't know. We'll see, but he could be worth a speculative ad. I keep saying, I think DeMarcus Robinson and Hardman should be on everybody's team. They should not be on free agency because they're just great flex starts. any moment they can have an ADR touchdown more than any other player. With the amount of injuries and the ever-present threat of COVID cancellations, I think you're right. He's a good flex guy.

Jacoby Myers from the Patriots has emerged. He was like, I don't know if you remember last year, but he was one of the Patriots best receivers as a rookie, and then he kind of just got lost in the shuffle. I feel like we do this every four weeks with patch receivers. It was like Harry for a minute, and then it was like Demir Bird for four weeks, and now it's like Jacoby Myers. 16 targets, 10 catches in the last two games, though. And I would, add Mike Williams. And Craig, you can add a few guys here too. All right, yeah. So I wanted to toss in the name Jalen Rager. I mean, this was his first game back. He didn't light the world on fire. He had a touchdown. He was second on the team in targets. He's just watching him. He passes the eye test.

He's clearly like a really explosive, good player. I think he's probably one of the higher ceiling ads, like the season long ads, especially with all the Eagles injuries and the receiving core. And then the other guy, when we talked about doing this same exact thing with Deshaun Jackson a couple weeks ago is IR watch. You want to look at Alan Lazard. He's creeping back for the Packers. He practiced secretly on October 29. He had a core muscle core surgery that was going to like have him out for four to eight weeks. Well, four weeks was this recent week. That's when he technically could have come back based on their predictions. So he'll probably practice this week. They're on a short week. So maybe he won't play Thursday. But then the week after that

looking good. You have to keep an eye on the Packers for the trade deadline because there's been rumors that Will Fuller could get traded to the Packers or whatnot. But if he doesn't... Alan Lazzard is like legitimately, could be really good. He's only played three games this year and you put up 16, 6, and 23. So if you can spare a couple weeks, I think you should definitely add him. Will Fuller and Aaron Rogers is like my fever dream. Oh, that would be fun.

I honestly think Fuller is better off on... In terms of fantasy, though, on the Texans. But the Packers number two receiving option, and I'm not counting tight ends because Tunyon has been pretty impressive, but... Between MVS and Equanimia St. Brown and whoever else they throw out there, no one can do any. They're the most inconsistent, frustrating group. So getting Al-Nazar who is, if anything, consistent. I mean, he's like Aaron Rogers loves him.

He's not necessarily going to be like a super high-ceiling guy, but he'll catch the contested passes. He's got speed down the field. I like Lizard. And then one last thing is if Calvin Ridley is on your team, you can grab Russell Gage if you need it. you can't get anybody else. You know, I don't think he's into doing anything nuts, but he's an easy feeling.

If I had to rank these receivers, I would put Corey Davis, like in terms of ads. Corey Davis and Marvin Jones is top tier guys because there's a certain level of consistency. For Jones, as long as Gald is out, there's probably consistency.

Davis has been consistent. Then there's a tier drop to me. And it's, I mean, Curtis Samuel, me Cole Hardman and Mike Williams on like the statistical lines are the same player.

In real life, they have nothing in common. But they are just, they're going to get you zero to two points each week. or they can hit 20. And there's very little in between. Like they are just boom or bust guys. And then to me it's like the Jacoby Myers-Rager Lazard tier and then Russell Gage, Marvin Hall.

And then I'll throw in, I think Jacobi Myers Braxton Berrios, if you want a disgusting AFC's team. Mims, once again, led the Jets and receiving yards. With how many? 42. 42. You know what? I don't want the, I don't want the slowest kid at the race or whatever.

I don't know the analogy. He's the fastest kid at the shittiest. team. Yeah, yeah. Whatever the analogy is. I don't want it. Okay, tight ends. Kittles out this week. I mean, the obvious one is Jordan Reed if he comes off injured reserve this week. But like, come on. What are we doing here? I mean, I guess. I'm just saying, man. Jordan Reed getting some Nick Mullins pass or whatever and he'll get hurt again. If you're going to throw a dart, you know what? I understand returning to comfort. The other one just, I mean, Robert Tunyon, Dallas Goddard, Trey Burton, like what would you guys, if you guys had George Kittle, like who are you trying to get?

Goddard. Yeah. Even though he had a shitty week. and maybe he wasn't fully healthy and he disappointed a lot of people, including myself. But I feel like it's got to be Goddard. Yeah, I put Goddard first. I think Tunyon is, I think Tunian is worth starting. And then from there I'd say probably Trey Burton, Jordan Reed,

because Burton, he's not getting very much volume, but what he does get are high value running carries. He stole a touchdown from Jonathan Taylor. He's had Wildcat touchdowns in two games in a row. So there's that. But I don't think you can count on that every week. Well, they did that against Patricia, who was the defensive coordinator when Frank Reich did that against him in the Super Bowl. So it's kind of like a real like screw you to do it to him twice in the same game.

Yeah. So that would be my Goddard has a potential to be like a top three tight end second half a year. Tunian, you're always going to get, he's got good chemistry with Aaron Rogers. And, you know, his target share isn't necessarily super consistent. But you want a piece of that offense because they're just passing the ball a lot. and there's no real number two behind Devante Adams at this point. So I think Tunyon is the guy. Beautiful.

Quarterbacks? Any streamers you guys like? The Eagles, Rams, Browns, and Bengals on buys this week. We got a few quarterback issues, you know, with Wentz, Goff. I got it. People starting Wentz off. I hope none of you guys are starting any of those people. I have Goff in a couple of Dynasty leagues.

It's been brutal. Well, two quarterbacks. I don't think any of those got. I hope none of you are. And then Mayfield and Burrow are also off this week. So a couple streamers to think about. Derek Carr going against the Chargers this week. Teddy Bridgewater against the Chiefs.

And then Nick Mullins, by the way, we addressed it earlier, but Nick Mullins is now, I guess, the starter for 49ers for the near future. And he looked pretty damn good in the fourth quarter against the Seahawks. I think he came in and had like 150 yards and two touchdowns and like 15 minutes of play. So that's not shabby. You don't want to stream Andy Dalton against the Steelers? No, I do not.

and I definitely don't want to have anything to do with Danucci anymore. So, yeah, the pickings aren't necessarily great, but how would you rank that group, especially against the defensive, you know, the defensive opponents? Bridgewater, Carr, Mullins? 100%. That order. I think I agree with that, yeah.

Who we drop in? Anybody? Who gets dropped this week? I think you can cut Boston Scott because the Eagles are going on a buy, and then Miles Sanders will probably be back. So there's so many running backs that are out there that if you can try to pick up one of those running backs and you're trying to get useful people. I think that there's probably someone on your waivers

that'll be more useful to you in week 10 and beyond than bosses Scott will be. I don't know if anyone's been holding on to AJ Dillon, but I think you can drop A.D. And Jvonne Mims. Javon Wims. Yeah, you can drop him. What do you guys think of dropping James White at this point?

Yeah, because he's the past catching back on a team that's not going to have any leads. Yeah, it's worrisome. So, I mean, it's like, it made sense when Brady was, I don't know in a funny way it's kind of like Edelman was the guy who had so much rapport with Brady but White's kind of the same way of like

do you trust even though the Pat's will be losing and in theory White will be playing a lot. Do you trust Cam Newton to be checking down at the time to James White? I kind of don't. Trust? No, I do not. I think it's possible they'll have a couple of big games to end the season like in big games meeting like double digit points

but I don't know. It's really hard to plug them into my starting lineup right now. I think the Patriots I have no problem cutting him. Yeah, I started Le Michael P. Rhine over James White. That's how desperate I got. So, yeah, I think he's probably, I don't know. I don't know if he's necessarily like on the drop list, but he's in the area code.

Oh, there's one more guy. One more thing to talk about with quarterbacks. Carter Minchu is getting benched. Well, he's injured technically and or getting benched for, it looks like Jake Luton. Oh, no. Ricky out of Oregon State. If you're in a one quarter black league, cut Gardner. And if you're in a two quarterback league, I mean, Godspeed.

I mean, I guess you can try to hold on to him. But, like, I mean, if you're between Gardner and Jake Luton at this point at a two quarterback league, like, that sucks. Jake Luton is, DK, give me height weight. Oh, he's, I think he's a taller dude. He's like six foot five, 225. I have him at 6'6. Can I get his weight?

Maybe no one has ever met this guy, so no one knows his weight. Oh, what'd you say? 225. He's 66-224. Wow. 6-6? Uh-oh. Is that too tall?

Or is Herbert killing that narrative? I don't think Herbert's 6-6, right? I think he's pretty tall. You can't make fun of guys for being too tall in a year that Herbert is just unreal. Jeez, D.K., you are just a monster. No, this was a tongue-in-cheek's slightly take from Mays, that... There's a line. Yeah.

Like, you know, it's like, yeah, exactly. But Herbert is, Herbert's killing that theory. And I think we'll see what Jake Luton can do. You know how like, you're not supposed to say Gremlins three times after midnight? Yeah. When you say Jake Luton three times in this podcast, the podcast is over. So that's the rule. All right.

Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Lorne. Thank you, Jake Luton. Thank you, everyone for listening. We'll see you on Wednesday.