The Ringer NFL Show - Week 9 Matchups: Tyreek Hill vs. the Chiefs, Cowboys-Eagles Shoot-out, and the Upside Down Slate

Episode Date: November 3, 2023

Game(s) of the Year, Seahawks fans being unfairly tired of Geno Smith, the Upside Down slate, Dresser Winn, Now or Never: QB Edition, the Heifetz Hex strikes again, and much more (1:43). Check out our Week 9 Fantasy Football Rankings for positional rankings, waiver wire pickups, and more! Fanduel.com/ringerffs is live! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Danny Hyvitts on Instagram. I'm trying to answer starts to questions on Sunday mornings. Me, the eight ball, whatever you want. Week nine. Week nine is unprecedented. are four games of the year this week. Generational matchup. It's the week of the year, some would say. It's the week of the decade. We have the first ever good international game. We have Kansas City Chiefs home. Loll, it's in Germany against the Miami Dolphins at 930 Eastern in

Frankfurt. The Seattle Seahawks, D.K. Seahawks are at the Baltimore Ravens at 1 p.m. Eastern. Great game. Dallas. That's an amazing game. Dallas Cowboys are playing the Philadelphia Eagles at 430, which is a sick out of C. Eastman. And then the night game is Buffalo Bills at the Cincinnati Bengals and Sunday day football. So that's crazy. Whoa.

All time bad significant other Sunday. All time. Hey, honey, sorry, 6.30 a.m. Starts all day a.m. I'm wrapped up. Mahomes. Yeah, it is not counting the playoffs, but this is the craziest NFL day wall to wall. Like for the regular season, we probably ever have. Like, Mahomes at 9.30 in the morning and then Burroughs going to wrap it up. Burrow and Josh Allen at 1130.

Are you going to get divorced this week, Craig? TBD, you know, check in with me. Keep me in your thoughts. For this actual game, one, Tyree Kill playing against the Chiefs. It would probably be more fun if it was like in Kansas City. But obviously these two offenses are incredible. And then the Chiefs, the offense are the best offense in the NFL, lead the NFL in the NFL and EPA per play and explosive plays and EPA per Rush

and all these credible things. And then the Chiefs are the other best offense in the NFL. And like last week against the Broncos, no one remembers it. No one can think about it. Nothing happened. No, Bahamas was terrible in one of the worst games in his career. And we're all just agreeing to just throw it out because he was sick. Just like a league-wide agreement to just pretend that everything's fine.

Yes. Correct. So like the chiefs are like favored by one and a half points. Which side would do you want? Like would you, do you think the chiefs are going to win this? Like chiefs one and a half. Which side do you want of that, Craig? I think I think money is going to be on Miami.

I think not only because. of their sexy offense and they're just like a more relevant team right now. They're probably the most famous team in the league. But kind of like for all the, I'm going to pick the chiefs because one, the dolphins haven't beaten anybody this year. They haven't beaten anybody good. They beat the Chargers. I don't really count that.

And I'm going to take Patrick Mahomes. I think that a lot of team, everybody fades or everybody puts their money on the team that had the great week before. But, and for the same reason, I'm going to pick, I'm going to pick the Eagles to beat the Cowboys, and I'm going to pick the bills to beat the Bengals because I'm going to fade the public on the team that just had a hot week coming into next week. TK. I think I'm going dolphins in this one.

I just think their offense is just too explosive. And I feel like the way that the Chief's offense is working right now, it's just so disjointed and it's so heavily reliant on Patrick Baham's like pulling a rabbit out of a hat every play, it just feels like. And so, I don't know, just kind of going with the obvious, I guess. I want the dolphins in this one. But it is interesting that the line... You said the line has the Chiefs' favorites?

Yeah, the Chiefs are favored by one night. Well, it's a home game for the Chiefs. So, you know, the Chiefs, like, where the Dolphins have been there longer than them. Right, right. Where are you? I actually think, I'm torn. I kind of think the Chiefs are going to win,

but I think the Chief's defense is the biggest part of the game. And it's not really sexy to talk about the Chief's defense, but Steve Spagnolo is the incredible defensive coordinator for them. And then I'm looking at all these numbers for Tua. And Tua, he has, like, the biggest gap in the NFL between when he's, he's pressured and when he's not, or at least like I think the second biggest gap of like, if you can pressure Tua,

the whole offense is thrown off, but they can't. It's like really hard to pressure Tua because he gets the ball out so freaking fast and throws it downfield because only Tyree Kill and Jalen Wado with a running start can get nine yards downfield in like the two seconds to it gets rid of the ball. So the only ways you can hit Tua, or if you get an interior pass rush really quickly, or like really great bits of blitzes or like you can rotate coverage enough to

screw with Tua. The Chiefs are really good at that stuff. And I think Steve Spagnol is this incredible coordinator. And the Chiefs defense has been really good. And I feel like between Chris Jones, the defensive tackle, and I kind of just, the same way, too, is, I don't know, I feel like if you can throw two off with the pre-snap look changing, I feel like Tua has fallen into some traps this season.

And I feel like Steve Spagnola actually might kind of get them. So I feel like Tua actually might have a pick or two. And I don't want to say a lot of sacks, but three sacks on Tua is like a lot. Yeah, the difference in completion rate when Tua is pressured versus kept clean is, there's a 37% difference in completion rate. Wow. I feel like this is just kind of going to be a fantasy banza, though.

Like I think this is like the pass it. I mean, it's Germany, but pass it to the Italians game of all pass it of the Italians game. Like I really think that Mike McDaniel is the whole game plan will be around Tyree Kill. I mean, it's kind of amazing that the chiefs traded Tyree killed with the Dolphins. They won the Super Bowl. Now the Dolphins and it really is one of the best trades. Did you see that Tyreek came out this week and said on a podcast, I forgive me, I forget which one it was. But he said that his agent was really.

just trying to put pressure on the chiefs by doing the whole trade request thing and he wanted to stay in KCE but then the chiefs sort of like called that bluff and then he was traded. Wow. So that's wild. That's a sliding door moment for you. That is pretty nuts. I think so here's why I think, here's why I like the dolphins.

I think obviously Tyree Kill can take it to the house on any given play where he most are extremely explosive running back. But I think also you got Waddle who's come on strong lately too. And so I don't know, it's just like I feel like they have too many weapons. And then when I look on the other side of the ball, it's just, we're trying to find a weapon

for Patrick Holmes. You know what I mean? So obviously, that's like very simplistic way of looking at it, but I just don't understand how they're going to stop all these guys. Also, the Chiefs from a point's perspective, chiefs are one of the worst second half teams in the league. They're averaging 1.3 points per drive in the second half, which is only ahead of the Giants and the Cardinals in the second half. The Chiefs are averaging six and a half points in the second half per game, six and a half. And they used to be the comeback team. Like the Chiefs used to be the most My favorite down was Patrick Mahomes in the fourth quarter down a touchdown on third and 20

because this line already had a holding penalty and I'm like all right this is just like pure unholt like unbridled creativity and now it's boring. Literally less than a touchdown per second half right now the chiefs are averaging. So it's like if they get down, if it's 21 7 and half,

I worry. I feel like this is a game where the chiefs need to get out in front and turn this into a shootout. I think it'll be a really good game. I also, the fact that it's in Germany, it's crazy that this is like a great, this is the first great,

game they've had in Europe because like usually they just kind of threw bad teams there. But the interesting thing is it's a chiefs home game, but Chiefs fans are going to complain. The Chiefs wanted this game too, like in Germany because the chiefs are like the marketing rights in Germany. And so they, you know, they have Patrick Mahomes and they're like, yeah, we're going to, because Germany actually, they think there was more millions, more NFL fans in Germany than England. And so I, the NFL, I, all right, I've ever told you the story that I was in Barcelona like nine years ago and I randomly ended up in a bar watching how classical like the

Drid FC Barcelona soccer game. And I ended up randomly getting beers at the only other American there who was turned out to be a very, like a C-suite level executive at a very prominent NFL team. And this is like nine years ago. Name the team.

No. I don't know why, but this just feels like the most Hafeits thing ever. It is. It's so hype. He explained to me that the Rams were going to move from St. Louis to L.A., they're going to try to put the Jaguars in London.

And then they're going to use London as base. They're going to try to put more games in Germany. because there's so many, there's so much football fandom in Germany. Did he tell you what stocks to buy too while we're at it? Yes. And then those things went down and up and it was a whole thing. Anyway, but point being, the Germany thing's a big deal. Like, there's a reason they're putting Chief Dolphins and like good teams are going

to Germany is because all these teams see like a business opportunity there. So you guys are going to have to get up earlier. Why does this game have to be at 630 Pacific? Why can't it be later? I don't, because I don't think they're going to do the whole horse and pony show and just put it up against like freaking Steelers Titans. I don't know. to me it's like these games should be Friday or Saturday and they should live alone and they should be on.

They legally can't put games on Friday or Saturday until after college football ends. What about Tuesday? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You're just losing so many. I mean, Germany's eight hours ahead of California, of Pacific time. It's like put it at 11 a.m. Pacific.

That's 7 o'clock in Germany. Done. They should call you next time. You're losing half the coast. That's all I'm saying. Seahawks Ravens, D.K. Ravens are favored by six. Your CX are five until you're in first place,

Tybrick, right? Is that offensive? Six points? Are you surprised by that? I think I am a little surprised. Why are they down so much in this one? But we're asking you. I'm too close to it, I feel like.

I feel like CX are a good team. Do you think CX plus six then is a great bet? Yes, I do. What's the temperature check on the CX right now? The CX are always, it's always funny because an old tweet of mine kept getting retweeted on Sunday. It was like, familiar feeling following another CX. Seahawks win.

Misery. It's just like every time the Seahawks win, we're all just like fucking miserable because it was so ugly and gross. And, you know, this was after the Seahawks beat the Browns. And it was just like kind of an ugly game. Gino Smith was like throwing picks left and right. And by the way, Seahawks fans are kind of out on Gino Smith, which is just shocking to me. And it's like, I'm getting it in both text messages and I'm seeing it on Twitter.

It's like people are like sick of Gino. He has too many turnover. He has too many interceptions. First in the division. I was literally in first place over the Niners. Like, what are you talking about? I know. Well, hey, look, I'm a Gino believer.

I'm a big-time Gino guy. And so I looked up some of the stats to kind of back up my love of Gino Smith. And so here's just like a sampling. And you mentioned that they're five and two. First in the NFC West over the 49ers currently. Miserable fans. They are ninth in offensive DVOA, 11th in points per game, 11th and points per drive.

And then from Gino, Gino Smith in particular, You know, there are some stats. I think that would paint him as like a middle of the road quarterback, but like at the same time, that's fine. But you're going to leave those out because you're like him. I'm going to start with that. That's why I'm prefacing it. EPA for dropback, he's 12th.

Yards per attempt, 7.3, that's 14th. Pass rating, 90.1. That's 15th. And I think the pass rating in particular is just like getting dragged down by the fact that he has thrown six interceptions this year, which is to me the most glaring and concerning thing about Gino Smith. But everything else that you look at is like incredible. 49.4% success rate.

That's fourth best in the NFL. So he's just getting the job done consistently. His 7.6% off target rate is fifth best. So he's very accurate. He's putting the ball where he needs it. And crucially, he is one of the most pressured quarterbacks in the NFL, his 41% pressure rate, which is 28th in the NFL. And he only has a 5.9% sack rate, which is 10th.

So basically, his pressure to sack rate is one of the best in the NFL. In fact, he's fourth best in the NFL from, basically avoiding sacks when he's pressured, which is obviously so huge. We've talked about it all year. When you get a sack, it's like a de facto turnover. You have to punt on like the vast majority of those drives.

And your three times as likely to score touchdown on a drive that you don't take a sack. You're twice as likely to score points. So obviously I think just his ability to avoid sacks, make plays. There was a big play last week that he, you know, scrambled away from pressured, was flush from the pocket, like did a high step to avoid a tackle, and then threw a touchdown.

And everyone's like, we need to bring in Drew Locke. He threw two picks. Who's saying that? I'm not going to name names, but there's several people on my Seahawks group chats, just like my friend groups, that really want him benched,

or at least, at the very least, just sick of him. Dude, people are calling for Drew Locke. People are calling for Drew Locke. They're idiots. You read the Gino Smith stats. Can I read you the stats from Drew Locke from the one drive against the Giants? The one drives played the shit.

Sure. Yeah. He had two completions and six attempts. Not great. 33.3.3% completion percentage, but 63 yards, which comes out to 30 yards per completion. Right. That's hard to argue against that. Kind of irrefutable there. Didn't Geno Smith win comeback player of the year last year? Did he? Drew Locke still has time to be eligible this year. And then, so he won comeback player in the year last year. He threw like 30 touchdowns.

And now they're in first place after eight weeks in the division over the San Francisco 49ers. And everyone's like, we're good. Let's go to Drewlock. Let's go to Drewlock. Who's never done anything good in his career. It's where we are. You nailed it. But the Ravens defense has been incredible this year. Like Mike McDonald, I spent Spagnola for the Chiefs. Mike McDonald for Ravens is one of the best defense quarters of the league.

The Ravens defense is like, has been dropping like flies all year, but they've been fine. And I feel like if Gino can play and if the Seahawks win this game, frankly, and you guys are still miserable, you don't deserve happiness. And I see why they took your basketball team. Wow. That cut too hard at the end. I retract that. How's the Giants doing, Hyfitz? When they win, we're not like angry.

It's better when Tyra Taylor's in there, that's for sure. So when's he coming back? That's fine. I know I hit it. I opened a wound. That was mean. I regret that. I know I 100% agree that Seahawks fans are like irrational weirdos and I'm one of them.

So I get that. We have a reputation and we earned it to say that. So yeah, I think this is the best game of the one o'clock slate, obviously. The Ravens have been incredible. Lamar is, I do think Lamar is the MVP of the first half of the season. Craig, do you think he's good yet? I think Lamar is good. Of course, I think he's good.

He's like a top seven quarterback in the league. But I don't know. I kind of feel like, I guess if you had to give an MVP, it would probably go to Lamar right now. But I don't feel like there is, I don't think there is an MVP in my head yet. I think there is not, I do not think there is a player this year

that has been so exceptional that you're like. It's Tyree Kill. Tire Kill himself was like, look, man, I'm not taking MVP. there's a player on our offense that's like more important than us. And his name is fullback Alec Ingold. That was literally what he said this. If you're Alec Ingold, are you offended by that comment?

No, I think it's so obviously being sarcastic. PR he's ever gotten. It's like, this fucking fullback doesn't mean shit to us. I think Alec Ingle was like, wow, he knows my name. I just remember thinking like Alec Ingle just catching strays over here. I think Tyree, you can give a receiver offensive player, the year and that's that's good. We don't have to pretend a receiver's MVP, but he can get

offensive player of the year. Was the last non-quarterback MVP, Adrian Peterson? Yeah. Yeah, so it's been a minute. It's always quarterback. Yeah, it's always quarterback. I mean, Devonte Smith won the Heisman, right? There we go. Yeah. I saw this stat. This is pretty wild, actually. According to Aaron Chats from football outsiders, or sorry, ex-football outsiders now FTN network, he said that the Ravens have the highest

DVOA ever for a six-and-two team. So not the highest. DVOA ever, but just for that record, this is like the best team ever that's had that record. They're like really ridiculously good. And no one's talking about it. This is like the, Craig, who is the team they say everyone, no one likes to talk about them? Because they're boring. Saints. Doesn't matter what the Saints do.

No, it doesn't matter what the Ravens do. No one will think they're good. Even the Ravens, like, the thing about Lamar's MVP thing is he's done it before. So it's kind of, you know, it's like, oh, we flips. The Ravens could rock the Seahawks and like, they're not going to get talked about because Chiefs Dolphins, bagel spills, Cowboy Seek. Eagles. Like the remark can literally throw five touchdowns and be like the D block on Sports Center. Speaking of which, moving on from that. Cowboys Eagles 430. This game's wild. I think

the Cowboys, since they got rocked by the Niners, they've been more aggressive. They've been blitzing more. So I'm very, I'm really curious. Obviously, this is just like two stack teams. This is the beginning of this insane stretch for the Eagles, where the Eagles next seven weeks are playing the Cowboys this week. Then they go on by. And then the Eagles play the Chiefs, the Bills, the 49ers, the Cowboys again, and then Seattle. That's the next seven weeks. Wow. It's a gauntlet right there.

If you have the Cowboys defense and fantasy, do you play the Cowboys defense? Do you just be like they're the number one defense by far? You know, and I think I should have. I think they pick six Hertz in one of the games last year. Part of me is like they just create turnovers. Like you're not trying to hold them under 20 points. But are you going to bench the Cowboys defense?

I think I would, to be honest. I'm not. I think obviously there's, you could quibble about who you're going to start over them, and there's a few teams that you can start over them. But to me, they're almost like one of those players that does not matter who the matchup is. They're just like one of the elite players in fantasy

that you're starting them, whoever they're playing, because they're so good at getting pressure and getting sacks and creating turnovers that even if they get scored on a lot, I still feel like they could still produce in Fantasyland. So I don't know. I'm still starting to Cowboys. I care more about what the Cowboys do in this game than the Eagles.

Like, I think I know the Eagles are good. I think I'm still waiting to decide if the Cowboys are good. Again, we've joked about this all the time, but they've pretty much played one normal game this year, and it's against the Chargers, and they won by three. Every other game has basically been that either lost or won by 30. So weird.

Yeah, I mean, look, they let up 42 to the Niners. They let up 28 to Josh Dobbs and the Cardinals. Both games they lost. So I'm much more focused on if the Cowboys can put in a solid performance here, and we can all believe that they're real or not. So if they put up a normal game, do you think they're real? And they, like, lose a close one? Yeah.

Okay. What if Tony Pollard is still bad and they play a normal game, then how are we going to pitch him as a by-low? We'll do us pitch him again next week next week. It'll be week 15. We'll be like, I don't know. The normal games are increasing. Pollard.

Yeah. He's due. Regression. I think it's going to be a shootout. That'd be fine. Wait, let's, we've been doing this new bit where we actually pick who we think is going to win the games. Who do you guys think is going to win Cowboys Eagles? I think the Eagles.

Yeah. Yeah, me too. Which means we should all take the Cowboys. Yeah, no. All right. Can I flip? That'd be great. That would be a great bit on all the studio shows and stuff if they put up the graphic.

But then you see whoever else takes and you're like, I changed my mind. So did you guys ever see World War Z? No. No, I've seen the meme just one scene. The 11th man thing. It's basically in the movie, Israel has this concept called the 11th man. And if it's anytime 10 people agree on anything, they have an 11th man come in and be like, hold on, hold on.

That's really funny. And so, like, I think that's, we should just have the fourth man. Kai can be the fourth man. Come in here. Every time we agree on something, we're like, okay, putting money in the pot,

and we're betting on the opposite thing. I love those studio shows. It's like, whatever, Fox or something. And it's like, or it's like the Monday night football one. It's like ESPN or whatever, and it's Chargers,

and it's like 11 people voting on the Chargers. Well, it's like, there's no spread either. So it's like the spread's like 10. and they're like, I'm picking the charges to win the game. And we know. Thanks. The funny thing is, all of them are like two and five. Everyone has like a terrible record.

We should do that though. Every time we agree on something, we just bet we have a fund for the show that we bet the opposite. We just got the fourth man jar and then we bet, yeah, we bet against ourselves. Also, man, you know, this game, Cowboys Eagles, these are like the only two good quarterbacks in the NFC now. If you go through the NFC quarterbacks,

it is so dark. If you wanted to rank them, Jalen Hertz, and Jack Prescott are probably one and two. And then after that, it immediately drops to Jared Goff, Brock, Purdy, Kyler Murray. One of those three is probably the third best quarterback in the NFC. You have Gino Smith, Matt Stafford. Kyler Murray, by the way, hasn't played since the toward ACL,

and that he's in the running with Goff. I think Goff has to be third. And then Purdy's fourth. Yeah, probably. Torn ACL, Kyler Murray, wasn't played in a year, is fifth. And Daniel Jones with a neck injury is like sixth? Or Gino, sorry. Gino.

Wait, where's your last? last Drew Locke, you don't know. Drew Locks 8. Matt Stafford without a thumb? I don't know. I mean, it is so bleak. Just Matt Stafford throw it with his foot. Thumbless, Matt Stafford.

No opposable thumbs. Just chucking the ball with his foot. I want to see that happen. Compare it to like the ASC. You have Mahomes and Tua and Lamar and Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. I mean, it's ridiculous. It was bad coming into the season and it is worse

considering how other than Rogers most of the quarterback injuries have been in the NFC. And then also on top of it, the new quarterbacks who are playing poorly or the NFC ones. Jordan loves playing poorly for the Packers. Bryce Young's been unimpressive. And then like at the AFC,

Richardson, when he played was, look crazy. You know, maybe it wasn't polished, but looked incredible. And then Stroud's been great. And so it's like just, it is even worse than it was when we entered the season. Even our Lord and Savior,

Will Levis, although we don't know what he did against the Steelers. William D. Levin. Billy Jeans? William D. Levin's. Billy Jeans. Billy Jeans. God, that is so good.

Billy Jeans. My God, that's good. I want to interject for all the Carolina Panthers fans that are yelling at high offense. I feel like Bryce Young has played a lot better the last year. He's played better. He's played better. He couldn't have played worse. To be fair, I think that Bryce Young's good.

It just isn't the worst spot of all those guys. He's in a tough spot, yeah. Like the Panthers, he's just, I think Stroud on the Panthers would look poor. And Bryce Young on the Texans would look good. The Bengals bills are Sunday at football. I mean, it's weird. And it's like last year they played the playoff game and the last thing they were in primetime

was the DeMarie Hamlin thing. So it's like, you know, it's just kind of like, there's just like kind of a weird error about it than being on prime time. But I, I, I, I, again, when they, these teams actually finished that game and they played in the playoffs and it felt like, the Bengals just kind of like rocked them off the floor.

Like the, the bills were, as Lombardi used to say, they kind of just showed you all the holes in your team. And I feel like the bills left that game and they literally spent the offseason and like licking their wounds. Like, all right, we need Dalton. They literally drafted Dalton Kincaid to get all the first downs.

They couldn't convert. And they just try to get more physical because they could run the ball. Like the whole off season was about that game. And if the big, the bills don't win this game. I just feel like it's going to be like pretty depressing for Bill's fans. It is pretty crazy. If the bills didn't blow that game against the Chiefs where Mahomes moved down the field in 13 seconds kicked field goal, like maybe the bills in the Super Bowl and just like

our entire perception of who the bills are and who Josh Allen is is completely different if Mahomes can't get down the field in 13 seconds. 100%. I don't know. It's just like a weird sliding doors moment. And also I just don't feel like those chief teams exist now without Tyree Kelle. It's like they don't have, they can't do that.

But the flip side is the Bengals. I think the Bengals win this game. The line right now is Cincinnati giving two. I think the Bengals win. And like the bills totally could. I could be totally wrong. I do. Which is why I'll be betting Buffalo.

Fourth man jar. Yeah, we really do need the first thing. If you think about like your group chat and it's like everyone's going to be on the Bengals, everyone's going to be on the Eagles. everyone's going to be on the, I don't know about the Ravens Seahawks and everyone's going to be on the dolphins. And that just immediately tells you

bet the Chiefs, bet the bills and bet the Eagles. But I think personally, I think if the Bengals win this game, I think they're going to become the Super Bowl favorite in the AFC over the Chiefs and the Dolphins. At least like from an insider perspective.

Or Super Bowl favorite period. Maybe period, depending on what happens in Philly, Dallas. But if the Bengals go back to back, shutting down the Niners in shutting down Josh Allen with how good Burrow looked last week. Like if they could do that again, this immediately becomes a team

where you're like, I don't see any holes. Do you guys remember the SNL bit? The Stefan, Bill Hader would come out of Stefan and he'd be like, New York's hottest club is, I feel like that is going to be the Bengals. It's going to be like,

the NFL's hottest team is Cincinnati. This club has everything. A star quarterback, elite skill position, good O line, solid defense, good coaches. Their mojo's back. This team has everything. We got to get Craig to do a Stefan thing of the hot new team.

This team has everything. The names were always really funny. Like, scoosh. Yeah, it'd be like, New York's hot as, because he would just make it up. It'd be like, New York's hot as Club is Hula-Sha. Like Al Pacino. Or he'd be like, New York's hot as club is Kevin? Oh, God, it's good.

Anyway, that's how I feel about Cincinnati. I feel that way too. Everyone's going to be in on him. Time to get out. You convinced me we should just we should just do parlay with the Bengals and the or sorry the bills and the Cowboys. Should we just parlay Chiefs Cowboys

bills? Yes. We should start tracking. 100% of the fourth band. This is good. Here's what's weird though. So we have this like incredible slate and I do think wall to wall

it's like the best regular season day, quality day forever. And it's, you know, people will probably break up. week of the decade. So all the good teams are playing each other. Like that's just the theme. It's like 12 hours of all the good teams.

But at what cost? And it's at the sacrifice of all the bad teams are also playing each other. This week is basically what Craig said about the Giants Jets. These teams should play each other every week in quarantine. That's really what we have this week.

It's a quarantine. All the bad teams are being pitted each other. And in exchange, the price of your Joe Burrow versus Josh Allen and your Dolphins, Tyree Kill versus the Chiefs, and the Seahawks, Cowboys Eagles is, Craig, do you want to take us through some of the quarterback matchups? We definitely have or may have.

Happily. So I'm going to even include Thursday night football, even though it already happened. Starting with Kenny Pickett versus Will Levis. Then on Sunday. Billy Jeans. I think you have to say the team names because with some of these people, you have no chance to know what team is talking about. All right. So on Sunday, we have Vikings versus the Falcons, which is Jaron Hall versus Taylor Heineke. All right.

Those teams are 500, by the way. Jaron Hall versus Taylor Heineke. Heaney. This is a good match. Yeah. That's the great one. Those teams are combined eight and eight. We have the Cardinals versus the Browns,

aka Clayton Tune for the Cardinals versus maybe Deshawn Watson or PJ Walker. Dude, someone bought tickets for their children thinking they would get to Sean Watson versus Kyler Murray and they were getting like Clayton Tune versus PJ Walker. We have Rams Packers, which could very well be Brett Rippin versus Jordan Love. We have commanders' pats, which at this point, this looks pretty. good. Sam Halvers, Mac Jones. That's like a B plus. Imagine thinking Mac Jones,

like watching Mac Jones is pretty good. That's the one where there's no backup quarterback and the fans are devastated. It's like, oh my God, our starter's still here. Like, they're so upset. We have Hyvitz's Giants versus the Panthers, which is, oh, sorry, Hyvitz's Giants versus the Raiders, which is Daniel

Jones returning from his neck injury versus Aidan O'Connell and the lack of Raiders coaching staff. There's no coaches on the sidelines, I believe, this week. just go out there and play, you know? You know what's so funny about it? The interim Raiders coach is Antonio Pierce. Yeah.

He's a legendary Giants linebacker that all Giants fans love because he won the Super Bowl for the... He's the middle linebacker when the Giants beat the Patriots in 2007. So it's a weird dynamic where all the Giants fans are like, hell yeah. I kind of think the Raiders are going to be good this week. Does you guys see that they're calling Aden O'Connell AOC? This is going to be confusing. It's fucking hilarious. But you know, there's always...

There's always... The interim coach thing always works week one. When the coach gets fired, the next week's the team always wins. Dude, I saw something today on Twitter and it was like basically some beat reporter for the Raiders was like, the offensive line is having an impromptu wrestling match in the locker room. And it's like everyone's like, they're having the best time ever. It's like when Urban Meyer left, they threw a parade. It's like all the kids like when the teacher's not there just on the top of the desk, like partying and shit, like having the best time ever.

Oh my God. Okay, just rounding it out real quick. We have the Colts versus the Panthers, which again, this is looking pretty good. Gardner, Monshoe versus Bryce Young. Pretty juicy. Finally, again, another one. This is like an A-minus for this Sunday. We have Bucks Texans, Baker-Mayfield versus C.J. Strau, which is like two pro bowlers this year.

Baker-Mayfield. Actually, one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL right now. The quarterback thing is insane. I know we keep harping on this, but the list just gets longer every week. That's the thing. It's like we have like five guys making their first. first start this week. It's like Clayton Tune.

Tudy? Literally he was the tune that is. Who tune that is? The middle class is really dying because Kirk Cousin getting hurt really fucked us. Because now we're like so. And we didn't even include Zach Wilson. He's playing Monday night. It's like so we basically have MVP candidates and then and then the lower class

of course. You know what we were at. Here's where we knew where we're at. The Rams signed this week. I read this three times. So they have staff with the thumb injury and then they have Brett rip him. And they have signed to their practice squad, a guy named Dresser

Win. They just thawed him out. He's been frozen since 1950. Like the, yeah, he was on the 34 Chicago Cardinals. And then they unthought him like Han Solo. No, dude, they actually did unthal him because he was in the Canadian football. Austin Powers. Yeah. Just he's wearing like

a fur chest. What's the shirt that has like all the feathery stuff in it? Ruffled, the ruffled shirts. Yeah, yeah. Some big medallies of peace medallion. Condoms are for Taylor's man. That's Dresser Wynn. Dressor Wynn sounds like an Austin Powers character.

Dressor Win. It does. Dude, Dresser Wynn, I went to look up his Canadian Football League stats because he's in the Canadian League. First of all, he went to, he committed to Western Michigan in high school,

and he reneged, and he went to University of Tennessee Martin, which, you know, that's scandal. I can't, I don't understand this, folks.

Why are we not drafting quarterbacks who just went to, like a normal big 12 school. Get the guy from Oklahoma State. I don't care who it is. Just get that guy and make him the third string. We can't live on this Shepard University, Tennessee. What is it, Tennessee? What?

The U.T. Martin Hawks. Come on. Mountain Hawks. Who's playing quarterback at Purdue? Get that guy. Mountain Hawks. So he went to the Edmonton Elks in the Canadian Football League. There's not one quarterback in the United,

the continental United States that they get. They go to Canada. It's actually better. than that. I went to look up his stats. He never played for them. He was on their practice squad. Good God. The Edmonton Elks cut him from their own practice squad and then the Rams signed

him and I'm like, I know that he was on the Rams practice squad, but he kept going back and forth from the Rams practice squad to the Edmonton Elks practice squad. And like, I'm not being hyperbolicry. Like, that's crazy, right? Like, that's a crazy thing. Yeah, man. There is no

better argument that quarterback is the hardest position in any sport because every year there's like six who are solid and they can't find any others in the world. Craig, there's something really something to this. Do you know where Taylor Heineke went? Where? Old Dominion. Yeah, I just don't

get it. Do they not have anyone from USC that can play quarterback in the NFL? I mean, all the U.S.C. Quarterbacks have historically sucked. It's like Matt Barkley and John David Booty. Tyson Bayton with the freaking, you know, Shepard. I think, you know, I think the answer is, you know what Colin? This is

my actual guest, Craig. what Chris Collinsworth wax poetic about, about, well, you know, just because he didn't go to a big school, but, you know, 10,000 hours, look at all the, actually, Toreko said that, but whatever, it's like the reps. I think that the quarterbacks who've gotten a ton, like four years of playing time at the lesser colleges, have a higher floor of, I will not have seven turnovers in this game

because I have taken a snap under center and you don't have to teach me on a week's note. Like some quarterbacks have been in the shot, They don't know how to take a snap under center. And I think, like, you know, if you've only played the 12 games. And like, and I think the difference is like, the coaches are just like more confident. They won't be fired for putting this person out of the field, even if the ceiling is like not that far from the floor. It's just shocking.

It's like the opposite of the job for us where it's like, like our law firm only hires people out of Ivy Leaks and Stanford. The NFL is like, well, we like schools no one's ever heard of for our quarterbacks. Some community college. Dude, dresser win. I look at it up. To continue this, Brett Rippin went to Boise State. I mean, at that point, Boise State is like the most famous school in America. I know what color there feels is.

Clayton Tune went to Houston. Again, okay. That's decent. Who else is starting this week? Where'd PJ Walker go? PJ Walker went to Temple. Where'd Jaron Hall go? BYU.

That's a normal one. That's a normal one. Like, you know who's a good example of this? Did Minshu go to Wazoo? Yeah. Fucking do that. But from Mike Leach. But from Mike Leach.

Yeah. I want to say he started Alabama, though. Dude, yeah, he wasn't out. You know how he went to Washington State? He was sitting at Alabama. Mike Leach was like, literally cold. He was like, all right, son. You want to like win a national championship while you're holding a goddamn clipboard?

Or do you want to come to play for me, try to make the playoff and lead the entire goddamn United States in passing? Gardner Minchu was like, I'll do that. I know. Munchu was like, I think already planning for life after football at that time. Yeah. And then now he's like, dude, he's in the NBA. are in the NFL.

He's starting. It's crazy. Like, you know, I like, Aiden O'Connell, Purdue. Love it. Was there for four years.

Love it. The blue bloods of college football, you know. Man, you're right, though, Craig. This is weird.

Like, why can't we get a quarterback from a big SEC school? Texas. Just give me the guy went to Texas. Give me anything.

Shepherd? So, Craig, you mentioned PJ Walker, and we all stuff with the Rams and everything. And I think that, we got to do a little

segment here called it's just now or never we got a couple quarterbacks there's just it's just it's just it's just now or never it's like a pep talk week for a couple guys like we got the browns the browns who again have are spending the most money this year are playing the cardinals who well the coaches and players are trying to win the front office is very much trying to lose espins jacques trotter reported that deshawn watson was asked if he was going to play this week and disown watson said quote he was not sure why put pressure on it you know he has been paid um 10 million dollars since kevin's Stafansky said that Deschon Watson was medically cleared.

Deshawn Watson's gotten $10 million. He's been paid $10 million in like a month? That's how it gets to get $46 million a year. That's how it works because like they're paid per week. I know, that's still just wild.

He's gotten $10 million. You know, we're talking direct deposit. I mean, taxes, so it's probably half that. But regardless, he's gotten $5 million in the 30 days. So,

yes, because it's medically cleared. Man. If they can't be, if Deshawn Watson plays this football game, and the Browns can't beat Clayton. tune. Like dissolve the Browns

as a franchise. Relegate them somewhere. Is it, it's kind of like you, the Browns think they were going to be better than ever and they'd finally be bad and you get to the like, you're climbing the mountain and you're like, oh my God, we're actually at the bottom. It's like a dad who like just bought his son

like an expensive baseball bat in Little League. And he's like, hey, listen Tommy, all right? I didn't spend $350 on a D.Marini battle for you to go, oh and four, all right? I didn't drive an hour out to San Mateo for you to strike out looking with the $300 bat, all right? I feel like that's how every Browns fan feels. They're like, all right, DeShan, we're playing

Clayton tune this week, all right? Lace them up. Dude, the fact that Watson has thrown five passes in the last month and two of them went to the defense and one went to the offense is pretty brutal. 10 million bucks. And it's it is possible, hey, look, we're talking to the Cleveland Browns. It is possible that Sean Watson's right

and that he shouldn't be playing with the shoulder and that the Browns screwed up the injury because they're the Browns. That's possible. Having said that, that's also crazy. that the Browns have a $230 million quarterback and they just completely botched his shoulder, throwing shoulder. That's like the alternative,

but it just feels like between everything going on, it's like, I do think that his shoulders probably hurting him a little because he doesn't have the juice of his passes, but like he is, if you go at the beginning of last season, if you just look at every quarterback that had 300 dropbacks, EPA per dropback, there's like 35 quarterbacks,

so it's like the perfect number. He's second to last. He's only ahead of Zach Wilson. Like he's literally been like throw for throw, drop back for drop back. like the worst quarterback in the league other than the guy who were mad has a job and he's the highest paid person.

Not great. D. Marini bats. Less than ideal. Those East Bay magazines were incredible with all the bats. The best, man. Craig described it as porn, porn for middle schoolers.

Although I guess middle schoolers look at real porn too. But yeah. They were just going from switching back and forth. DK like keeps forgetting that you have to porn magazines in the woods. Yeah. It's like now it's on the internet and, you know, kids don't even have to dig through like.

Random piles and trees and woods. I still get people referencing porn in the woods for me. This is like three years later that we talked about that. I think it was this year, but I got... It was this year? I don't know. For the people listening of no idea. You live kind of close to the woods, don't you?

Yeah. Well, what are you hiding? I mean, I'm in a neighborhood. So I guess relatively close to the woods. Yeah. So for those who don't know, just to recap, back in the day in the 1990s before the internet, there would be like porn magazines hidden out in spots in the woods.

that you could go look at. It was like your friends would hide a couple of magazines. You'd go out there and when you wanted to and look at them. And that blue high fits in Craig's minds. It did, to be honest. Where were they buried? Like, how were they presented? They're like, you know, like, you could put it in like a box or something

or like a plastic bag. I don't know. You know like on the street how sometimes there's like little setups where there's like free books and it's like take a book, leave a book? They're not like mini libraries. That was in the woods. It's like essentially the same idea, yes. There's a shoebox in the woods somewhere.

A 14-year-old boys. I mean, like, practically speaking, it's the exact same thing. It was just like a collection of 14-year-old boys across the neighborhood stealing their dad's magazines. It's like a whole network, yeah. It's just like, you know, they got, now they have like the shoplifting, you know, networks and everything. And back in the day, it was just porn.

That was like what we trafficked in. Different time. Yeah. You didn't work harder for porn back in the day. These kids have it so easy. I swear to God. You know what? You're right about that.

Thank you, Craig. You're 100% right about that. They do have it too easy. I guess I did too. The golden age of porn right now. It's just so easy to see. It's a joke. But I guess Hyvitz and I are in the same.

I mean, we came up in the internet age. So I guess we can't really bitch. But you're right. Summer children. Sweet summer child. In my day, you'd have to fucking go out to the woods and the snow. So what you do in the winter? It's dark.

You have to bring a flashlight, you know? There's snow? What's you do when there's snow? Just wear mittens. I maintain that the biggest, like, back in my day thing that we're going to have to tell our children is that we had to sit in a car and drive with our hands and stare forward and actually like operate the vehicle. And your feet. And I end our feet. Both hands and a foot.

It's like playing the piano. And I think they're going to be like, holy shit, what did you do for six hours driving from L.A. to San Francisco? And you'd be like, nothing. And you're like, stared in front of you. And they're like, what? Listen to a podcast. Is that healthy?

They're going to be like, that's insane. Do you guys know how to drive a stick? No. That's a generational thing. That's like a lost language. That's over. The language is a Latin. Latin.

Yeah. We have to teach our children specifically to drive a stick just in case someday they ever end up behind a stick shift, you know? They won't. It's kind of fun. I gotta be honest. It looks cool. It looks very,

very masculine. It's like cigarettes. It's like it looks cooler. Totally. Dick Hammer probably can drive a mean stick. Dude, on Dick, sorry, on the subject to Dick Hammer,

who's Sam Donald's grandfather. Dick Bong. Who Dick, Dick Hammer, Sam McDonald's grandfather, who has a crazy life, almost as crazy as dresser win. And we're talking about how he was on a show as a firefighter and then like

left to become a real firefighter. Who, to be clear, has been reanimated from being frozen for 50 years. Dressor Winn is, I believe, 23 years old or something, right? So my brother, who's a firefighter, texted me, Steve Bouchemy was an FDNY was an FDNY firefighter in the 80s. I knew that. And then became an actor. Yeah.

And on 9-11, or on 9-12, went back to his fire station at FDNY and rejoined his fire department and searched through the rebel of 9-11. Wow. I didn't know that. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, pretty cool. So he's the last version of like the Renaissance man who did a little bit of everything. Yeah, honorary.

Yeah. Honorary, Chloe Spock, Steve Bouchemy. Nice. Has there ever been a firefighter to actor since Steve Bichemi? I doubt it. How many have there ever been? Did Dennis Lurie actually do it or do you just play one on TV? I don't know.

Again, you guys know I'm bad with names. So forgive me. But the guy who is the new Darth Vader, or sorry, the Ben Skywalker. What was his name? in the newest movies. Adam Driver. He was in the military. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's sort of similar. I mean, there's cool ones. Like Harrison Ford was like a, like a woodworker. He was like a set builder. But he just had,

he was just oozing sex appeal. So they're like, we gotta put this fucking guy in a movie. The director was like, I can't stop staring at you, man. I don't know. Seriously. I want to just be in the movie?

And now Harrison Ford, all he does is crash airplanes every once in a while. Crazy. A couple more games that one hit. Other, now or never guy, Jordan Love for the Rams.

I mean, you mentioned Sean Watson. and if he plays, or he doesn't, that's weird, but if he plays at K.P. Clinton, two, the Cardinals. Jordan Love, it's been terrible. The Packers earn a four-game losing streak. They're, like, second-lasts and, like, first half points over the last five weeks. The Packers' GM is publicly saying,

they're like, you're going to resign him? And he's like, yeah, we'll see, right? Important 10 games. And, like, if Matt Stafford doesn't play this game in Brett Rippin and Dressor Win are the two players. God, damn it. Like, or Stafford does play with a thumb that barely works. What if Dresserer wins starts?

knowing Sean McVeigh I feel like he's going to do this I actually think it's the opposite I think Stafford's thumb There was like a weird dark period I think Stafford's thumb okay And even if he doesn't play this week He'll come back after the buy

I think Stafford's thumb is all right Stefania Bellity has been What a great breakdown of it That basically he has this repair thing And they probably had to check If it broke or not And they're like yeah it's fine It's just like a pain tolerance thing

Oh Jordan Love at home favored Against the Young Rams defense and Dresser Wynne? Dressor Wynne being an employee, even if he's not active, is just so embarrassing.

No offense to Dresser. But, see, like, stop saying that. We have to figure why his name is Dresser. It's where he was conceived. What? Okay.

On the dresser, get it. Well, actually, D.K., if you look at his Wikipedia, he was born in Dresden, D.R.E.S. so maybe he was conceived in Dresden, and they were like, Dresser.

Wow. Really? Wait, so is he German or does he just? No. It's Dresden, Tennessee. Oh. Okay. He went to Dresden High as well.

We were talking about Germany, you know. The other thing I have to be accountable. The Raiders fired Josh McDaniels this week, and a lot of people got the push notification while they were listening to the show on Tuesday or that we released Wednesday where I said that there's no way that the Raiders have the money to fire Josh McDaniels till the end of the year. And yeah, and then they got fired him. So there got, Mark Davis did it go fund me.

And the Raiders fired McDaniels. And some pointed out the Raiders fired their coach, the fire the GM, Bench their starting quarterback for a rookie from Purdue, still favorite over the Giants. Shocking. It's just absolutely incredible. Get New York out of my face. Yeah. Get them in the jets and trap them in the metallands and have them play every week.

I never want to watch a New York team ever again. Put them on at 630 a.m. Pacific and send them to Germany. Permanent Germany team. The Josh McDaniels thing is funny. Dude, that's crazy that it came out. This is the first time we're talking about it, I guess. It came out at like 10.30 Pacific time. Like, that's just wild.

Talk about, you know, a news dump. Is it a news dump if it's noteworthy the time that you released it and you wake up on East Coast? You're like, oh, my God, they did this last night. Yeah, I feel like news dump only makes sense if it's Friday night. It's funny to me that, like, a news dump is even a thing. It's like as if people don't have the internet. Yeah, it's definitely a free internet thing.

Like everyone still sees it You know it's just we're not at work And wouldn't we see it I guess I feel like the only other way you can news dump is when like You know that you're about to have a scandal And you wait to release it like right after somebody else has a scandal Yes that's they definitely You can actually definitely see all these things that they kind of like let something fly

Now would be a good time to like announce something crazy Yeah The Joshua Daniels thing is funny though because I just TK you asked me the other day like why did they think this would work And I'm like it's just well it's the other way round. It's like how do you get the job? And I feel like if you go in and are honest, like, hey, Mark Davis, I know you made the playoffs, but you have no chance of competing with Patrick Grims for this roster. You missed like every

draft pick for four years, basically, except Max Crosby. And this team isn't good. You're going to have to rebuild. And then, you know, hopefully year two, maybe, probably year three, then you'll be competitive. We have to get a new quarterback. And then Josh McDaniels walks in. He was like, yeah, this is easy. Like, you can totally compete. Who wants to come in and here? You have no chance of competing in your divisional rival you hate for tears. Truly just a snake oil salesman, you know? The Giants did the same thing. They hired Dave Gettlement because he was like, yeah, just extend Eli.

We still got this. Gettleman. What's Gettelman doing these days? He retired. He's just hanging. Just watching the chaos he unleashed on the world. Forced to retire. Retired without cause.

All right, we have a contest over at Fandall. Fandle.com slash ringer FFS. Or as Craig would say, URL is in the episode description. Because everyone remembers things, as Craig would say. It's running from week 3D, week 10. we're taking the top five scores, averaging them. Play with us. We're going to send the winner, a trophy.

There's money. There's pride, championship attitude. And also you could just play with us and beat us. Who are you guys building your teams around this week, DK? So here's the Stars and Scrubs short version of the story. Alvin Camara is my star. I think he's going to catch about 25 passes in this game. And then my scrub, this is coming out of left field, I think, probably.

but Devin Singletary for the Texans, who is, he has been playing a whole bunch more the last couple of weeks for some reason. I think this team might be losing a little bit of confidence in Damian Pierce, which is devastating to me personally because I love Damian Pierce. But it's been more of a 50-50 split over the last couple of weeks. And it's looking like, Damien Pierce might be trending towards not playing this weekend. So I just got in while Devin Singletary is still very, very inexpensive. I went with A.J. Brown because I'm sick of not being a part of the A.J. Brown experience. And I'm finally ready to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

I also want with Jalen Hertz to pair him up. And then for a scrub, it's not really a scrub. It's like a half scrub. Tony Pollard and Nico Collins are two really talented players who have had a couple slow weeks in a row. And I'm basically getting talent for as cheap as I can. And five weeks ago, these guys would have been like $3,000 more. So I'm going with two of them.

Also really cheap. Pat's defense against Sam Howell. I'm doing that as well at home. There you go. Yeah, I want to echo with Dick. said about Alvin Camara. So the Saints are playing the Bears and the Bears. I mean, if you watched that game in prime time, like the Chargers kept checking down

Austin Eccler and the Bears play this kind of soft zone where you can just, the bears give it up the most fantasy points to running backs in the receiving game. Like they've allowed five receiving touchdowns just to running backs. Eckler at 100 yards receiving at halftime. Yeah. And so out. And then now they're playing the Saints who their only offense between the 20s is just checking down at Camara.

I'm not kidding when I sit. Like the over under on Fandall sports books like four and a half or something. like you can bet Alvin Camaro for enough catches. I'm not kidding you. I think he'll have that in the first quarter. And I actually think, I think that there is a, it is on the table that I think Alvin Carabat

has literally the most catches of his career in a single game. And I keep wondering if he's going to have three catches per quarter. Like I think, I think I would bet the over and the over under up till 10 on catches for Camero this week. Wow.

And then the flip side is, Patriots, Washington, baby, Washington defense. Yeah. Two top defensive ends. Oh, yeah. And someone's got to catch passes, probably. Probably.

I think so. I mean, that's like the fifth best game of the week, probably, Commander's Patriots. It is really. D.K. said that too seriously, and now I actually want to ask, I almost let it go. But, like, you don't actually believe that, right? No. No. What is the fifth best game at the slate?

Um, the only reason, the only reason Highfitts that I even got a glimmer or flicker of excitement about this game is like, I feel like Mac, or sorry, I feel like Sam Howell is. is just kind of like a chaotic quarterback and he's a little bit fun to watch because he just... He'll just huck it deep, you know? And especially last week, like, they were pretty feisty against the Eagles. I don't know. That's why...

He's fun at watching like a car chase way of like, this could go wrong every second. It's like a puppy. I'm watching him run around, run into things. Just bounding about... A puppy rounding the corner at full speed and just like clipping the dining room chair.

Yeah. That's somehow. What is the fifth best game? Damn. I think it's Buck, Texas. Yeah, I think so. Yes. Yeah.

All right. That's all we got. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Kai, for producing this episode. Thank you, Jack, for help behind the scenes. Thank you. Emails at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com, fantasy courts, trivia questions,

and I'm in a number of just general. Send us whatever. More names. If anyone can figure out why he's named Dresser, please email us. Anyone finds the answer to that or whether weird quarterbacks went to colleges. Thank you, Lauren. Lauren.

Thank you, Luda. Oh, damn. Wow. That's cool. Thank you. Is Luda the most successful rapper turned actor? No, L.O. Cool J. That's a good question.

No, but. Well, the L.O. Cool J. How many fast? How many fast? How many fast? Yeah. Longevity, maybe. I mean, no one's ever put it this way.

No one's ever had to come up as an actor. Because of the first Fast and the Furious Ludacris is like the guy who puts nitrous in your cars. And the third one, like, I'm hacking into the Department of Defense. Give me two seconds. Isn't common? Common's pretty big.

Common. How many of the Fast and Furious movies is ludicrous in? Is he in, like, not, like... I want to say he's in every single one. I think he has to be, though. He has to be the biggest because other guys have done more. Like, yeah, like, Ice T and Coop. But, like, that's the biggest thing in, other than Avengers.

Like, that's the biggest thing in Hollywood. And he's in nine of them. He's, like, it's 10. He's the sixth biggest character, like, maybe in any movie. L.L. Kooj is, like, kind of, like on the poster and he's been on that for like 15 years. The NCIS LA? Like what? Yeah, NCIS. If we're doing that, isn't Ice-T is in SVU?

I think Ice-T is over L-O-Cool-J. I'm fine with that too. I'm fine with that too. By the way, I see the best follow on Twitter. Really? Yeah. Dang. Why? Is he just funny? Yeah, he's just funny? Yeah, what is he funny? Dude, if you ever seen the John Mullaney bit about Ice-T?

a law and order. No. Oh, I have. The Jamalady bit where like, I see he's just like disgusted every time that there's a case when he hears the details. And they're like, dude, you work here. Like, you do with this all the time. This is, this is the nature of our work.

He's been on L Kudj has been on NCIS since 2009. Yeah. I think he's clearly above L Kool-Kul-Jan. It's just a question of whether ludicrous on Fast and Furious is like, that's just a bigger thing. I'm sure we're missing someone very obvious, by the way. So email us in who. who were missing.

50 cent? What he had, what, four brothers? That was like 15 years ago. I'm trying to think, what's his big acting? I don't even know. Oh, wait, dude, the person who were missing is Ice Cube. Oh, I said that. I already said that.

Oh, did you? Well, you should have said it again because he's definitely the answer. Yeah. Ice cream's so big that he put his own son in the movie about himself. That's how much cloudy has. Wait, what is the category that we're discussing?

Rappers became actors. Ice Cube is a really good. one. It might be ice cute. He has to be it because he's he's headlined like 10 movies. That's a different thing. Yeah. He's like headlining comedies. He's like headlining fampling comedies. Dude, by like ninth birthday, I think we went to see a, yes.

It was great. I didn't actually see that, but I still feel like we're missing someone extremely obvious. Ice Cube's probably the one. Looking at Net Worth, it goes Ice Cube and then my boy, LL Cool J. What about then Ice T? Will Smith does not count. Then Ludo. No, he was an actor. who wrapped.

Right, okay. Mark Wahlberg? Justin Timberlake? He's not a rap. Mark Wahlberg technically wrapped. I think that actually... Is it true? Mark you're back in the Funky Bunch.

Yeah. It's what we were called. Literally true and spiritually wrong. That's a performer. Okay. Damn. I put him in the performer category. Yeah.

Okay. Dude, you know what movie was fucking sick? It was Triple X. Oh, yeah. the original Vin Diesel and then even the Ice Cube one. Dude, it always trips me out that Vin Diesel gets credit in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.

I think he's Groot. Wait, have you ever seen the video of him like doing the video of him saying I'm Groot? He's Groot. Like him, it's like a three minute YouTube video of him just like, I am Groot like a hundred different ways. Is he just is he just like in the scenes

doing Groot motions? No, he just is the voice. He's literally just the voice. They don't pay him to do the stop. He's probably made $20 million saying I am Groot. I am Groot. I'm Groot. Oh, think about that.

We should maybe make a list. Like, what do you think the easiest money of all time? It's that. Of all time has ever been. That will never get beaten. Vindiesel getting money. He had two lines. He had two lines.

And one of them was his character. So his character's named Groot, you have two words. I'm Groot. Like, nothing can beat that. I'm Groot. Other than literally, like, getting money passed down to you from your parents, that is the easy. way to make money of all time.

Here's an hour. You can say, did they even need him again for the other movies? You know what I mean? He just does that once for a hundred times. It's just reuse it. Yeah. Well, it's like, even baby group. Like, I'm sure they just like modulated his voice. Like, I don't even know if you have to read again. They're like, hey, should we bring Vince back? And they're like, for what?

Yeah, it's like, we can't, we're not paying him more to come in and say the same shit over and over. I'm grew. The other one, it's great. It's just like Waka flaka doing all the Waka's and the Flockas. Bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow. That's a great YouTube video. Check that out. I think he's lost. All right.

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