The Ringer NFL Show - Week 9 Recap: Deadly Darnold, Colts Collapse, Pathetic Packers, Bowers is Back, and Abe Lincoln Collinsworth

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 9 action by going through categories such as Winners and Losers, Fart or Shart, Intrusive Thoughts, and so much more. (0:00) Intro (1:52) ‘Sunday Night Football���: Seahawks-Commanders (14:31) Winners and Losers (38:27) It’s So Over. We’re So Back. (45:54) Who’s Cooking? (55:40) Fart or Shart (01:11:51) Intrusive Thoughts (01:17:31) Play of the Day (01:23:27) The WORST Play of the Day (01:25:44) Tom Brady/Magic Johnson Tweets (01:36:04) Stadium Pulse of the Week (01:55:07) Fantasy Burn Book Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here!  Email us! [e-mail] This episode is sponsored by Chime. Bank Smarter, Progress Farther The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Producers: Kai Grady, Carlos Chiriboga, and Ronak Nair Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ring of Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hypertons, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Coral Beck, and we are going over all the games from Sunday of Week 9. We're going to hit all the games, except Giants Niners. I kind of refuse to talk about that one. At the end of the show, Craig talks about the timeless, classic underdog story that was the Los Angeles Dodgers winning the World Series. It was an unbelievable game and series.

No, it's great. It's a great underdog story. Maybe you guys have heard of it. Do that at the end of the show. Earlier in the show, Craig is going to, at some point, There's a Gettysburg address will come up. You'll figure that out soon. And yeah, this was really fun.

And we actually started recording the show during Seahawks, Washington, because it was so uncompetitive that we just were like, we're not going to wait for the end of this game. Let's get to Sunday of week nine, but first, let's take a quick break. This episode is presented by Chime. Bank Smarter this season. Fantasy football is all about strategy. Well, here's a winning strategy for your money.

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half, we literally decided to just start recording in the middle of the game. The game is not over. I wanted to record at halftime. I was like, this is, it's 31 to 7. Sam Donald hasn't incomplete of the pass yet. 16 out of 16 in the first half, four touchdowns. Yeah, he was basically perfect. 282 yards in the first half.

JSA had over 100 yards in the first half also. He's the first Seahawk ever with four straight 100-yard games, which seems kind of wild. So, yeah, the Seahawks are freaking rolling right now, and the commanders are not. Darnold, first player with four touchdowns and no incompletions in the first half in 10 years. Sam Darnold had never completed 15 straight passes at any point in the NFL.

It completed his first 16 in this game. Again, 282 yards and four touchdowns at halftime. He had two touchdowns at a half time. 11 seconds because Washington botched a kickoff four touchdowns in 25 minutes. Donald was amazing. You know it's funny in a way this reminds me if there was a Justin Fields Bears game. The best game Bear Fields has ever had as a passer, honestly.

It was against a different Ron Rivera depleted Washington team. I kept thinking of that game tonight because I was like, wow, Donald looks amazing. But, D.K., I mean, when Mike Torrico starts saying, why can't Donald be in the MVP conversation? We're like, well, calm down. However, I do feel, and I have felt the entire

summer that the Seahawks are clearly the most underrated Super Bowl contender. I think Darnel's MVP is ridiculous. But you watch the Seahawks tonight, the combination of how he's playing like this with how good they are on defense. You're like, the Seahawks could absolutely win the NFC, couldn't they? I mean, I think it's definitely in the realm of possibility. It makes me a little bit nervous because they cannot run the ball at all. It's like one of their main sticking points.

But yeah, they're a good defense. Obviously, their passing offense has been really, really good right now. They're one of the top teams in DVOA. I'm guessing after this week, they'll be the number one team in DVOA. So, you know, they're good on offense, defense, and special teams. Pretty balanced across the board. They kind of remind you a lot of the Vikings from last year where it's like this team could win a bunch of games, but then you have Sam Darnel that quarterback in the playoffs and who

knows what that's going to be. But at the end of the day, I'm not complaining. Like, Sam Darnel is playing awesome. And it's really fun to watch as a Seahawks fan. I mean, they've lost two games by a combination of seven points this year. That's it. Right. And even the week one game.

versus the 49ers like tarik woolen should have knocked down two different passes on that drive the nineers came back the buck's game like i mean the ceilks really could are a couple of plays from being undefeated yeah and you can say that about other teams but honestly the ceilks it's really they've just been so competitive and again there's so few teams that are good at every level i know earners jones got hurt tonight inside line down that's that makes me worried too it matter it's the same with the ravens obviously the ravens have more injuries but at any at the mike mcdonald's done an unbelievable job as the coach of this team clinkubia coming in as the offensive coordinator obvious has done an unbelievable job.

I think in a way, Donald's playing better even than he was last year. I think Donald looks like a better and even more complete quarterback. I mean, if you look at all the numbers, it's that's certainly true. Like the advanced stats, he's way more accurate. He's like way fewer turnover-worthy plays.

Everything that you look at in terms of just taking care of the football and explosive plays, I think I saw he has the most 20-yard passes completed this year. Yeah, it's crazy what he's doing. Even the big plays feel measured. Like, he's not ripping the ball. in the sense of like he's taking shots, Baker Mayfield style.

Even these deep long of a 60 yard touchdown today, the JSN stuff, it all feels very calculated and smart even though it's big plays. Yeah, they're getting, they're doing a great job of getting guys sort of one-on-one down the field and then Darnold has a really accurate arm

and he can layer the ball over a defender. We saw that on a play with J-Send today where J-San basically just got lined up one-on-one with a guy and Darnold just threw it light, very softly over the guy's shoulder right into his hands. And we see that like every single game now. The best representation, I think, of Sam Donald's season was, I forget, I can't even remember which first half touchdown it was. I think it was the third when, I don't know what they ran.

It looked like they just ran like four verts or whatever from like the 30-yard line. And he kind of layered it between two guys, ran into Elijah Arroyo's hands, the tight end of Miami they took for his first career touchdown. And then they cut on the other side, Jackson Smith-Digua was wide open for a touchdown. And just that is the CUC season. It's like, you could, J.S.N is wide open to the right, or Donald can just. just like rip a pass, just drop it in between two defenders and the left. Everything he's doing just seems like it's sitting. Also, Tori Horton, the rookie receiver that you guys in Seattle has been obsessed with has just,

as you texted me earlier, old Yellard Cooper Cup this season, because Cooper Cup did not play in this game. And frankly, they don't really need him back. I mean, Cooper Cup's value probably comes from obviously just being a wily veteran and also he's a really good blocker. And I think that's something they really value. So Cooper Cup's probably not going anywhere in terms of where. in terms of when he's healthy.

But I mean, Tori Harton is clearly like a dangerous player. He's got, I think, four or five touchdowns this year on part-time usage. He's explosive down the field. He's a really good kick returner upon returner. So, I mean, he looks to me like he's going to be a really, really good player in the league.

Kind of like the thing we talk about, Craig, where it's like you just know. Or what is it that you always say? I've seen enough. Yeah, I've seen enough. That's kind of how I feel, Thornton. I've seen enough. He's going to be a good player in the league.

It's funny. The Seahawks have a bunch of things. guys who just like catch touchdowns. It's like Jackson Smith, the Jigma gets all the yards. And then there's just all these guys who just scored touchdowns like AJ Barner, Arroyo, Horton. It's unbelievable. Like they're they're actually doing so much with a pretty limited like offensive skill group. Like they're running back to solid. Well, two rookies. Yeah, me two rookies tonight had three touchdowns. Super young. It's like JSN and obviously is exploding and there's a top five receiver in the NFL. But outside of that like they're really

making it work. It's a lot of like heavy sets, a lot of play action. And Darnel is dicing it up to all these kind of random guys that are emerging. Well, that's what Greg Olson was tweeting that tonight. Basically, the Seahawks, they don't run. Like, they're not a very good run team. Coming to this game, they were dead last and success rate on the ground. Yeah, they like cosplay as a team that's good at running that makes you think, we got to stop the run.

And they look like they're going to run the ball, but they really don't. That's exactly what Greg Olson said. He's basically like they pass out of heavy personnel. They're a heavy personnel passing team, which is kind of cool and fun. And hopefully they can kind of, get it figured out as the year goes on, start to run with a little more efficiency, explosiveness. Tonight they've been running decently well, it feels like.

I don't know if the numbers are backing that up. But yeah, again, that would be, to me, the biggest bugaboo is the best teams can kind of beat you in multiple ways. And I would love it if their run game was a little more explosive. But for now, I'm obviously not complaining too much. Like the early Ravens, we'll see if they fall behind if they can still keep up. With Washington real quick, I will say, this is two horrific primetime losses for Washington and back-to-back weeks.

know jaden daniels just came back but i mean between the chiefs last week beat washington 28 to 7 a monday day football now i mean the game is 38 to 7 i don't know what the final score i end up being but that is a combined score of 66 to 14 in prime time in the last two weeks Washington season is not over but it kind of feels a little over like terry mclorne has a setback with his quad look mccaffer goes out tonight Noah brown's hurt they are frankly all the younger guys are hurt all the older guys are out like there. The defense is obliterated. I mean, I, it might be, I want to, you know, Bill and Sal

cross the team off every week. Watching this game tonight, I'm like, Washington just feels like a third-tier NFC team. The thing about Washington to me is, it's probably really hard to almost make the Super Bowl last year and then kind of have to take a step back and almost be like, we kind of need to rebuild a little bit, reset. But Jen Daniels got to hurt what we're talking?

Right. Oh, is that right? No, I'm asking you. That's not good. Yes, he's hurt. He's right. He's writhing on the ground right now. Get the fuck out. Oh. Well, it was 38 to 7, so you know, this is... I think his elbow... Oh, yeah.

The wrong way. Yeah, that is not good. It's his non-throwing elbow? Oh, we'll just cut it off. Extremely painful. I think it was his left elbow, yeah, Craig. Holy, but that's pretty gruesome. It's making a right angle in the wrong direction.

Well, that's why you probably shouldn't keep your guys in when it's 38 to 7. I know. There's seven minutes left in this game, and he's scrambling. that's horrible. Hopefully he's all right. Well, I guess Washington's season is over. I guess it might be. My point was going to be is like, even if the season's over, like, the one thing you want

as a fan of a football team is like, I want to know we have our guy at quarterback. And at least you know that Jane Daniels is awesome. Yeah, yeah. Is that what you were saying when you realized he was riding in the ground? Well, yeah. I was like, okay, look, if the year's not going to be here, hopefully he's okay. They have him for the long term. Yes, I'm like, at least you know you have a guy who can play like a top five quarterback in the NFL

when he's right. Right. Man. Roodle. He's right. He's stretch it off or whatever. Hold on. Yeah.

Wow. Well, I'm not lovely note. Let's get to the most important thing that happened on Sunday Night Football. I think I know you're going to say. I thought I was having like an aneurism or something. Chris Collinsworth,

they show a B-roll of the city, which is funny because the stadiums don't work really near the city. But they show the B-roll of the Lincoln Memorial. And Chris Collinsworth says, Did you know? Oh, sorry. He's like, Craig, actually, Craig, can you do it? He's like, you know, my dad's name was Abraham Lincoln.

And Mike Tarrico was like, what? And he's like, yep, my dad is Abraham Lincoln Collinsworth. I googled it. Obviously, like, that's correct. Abe Lincoln Collinsworth is Chris Collinsworth's dad. He played basketball in Kentucky. He won the national championship in 1957. His name's Abraham Lincoln, Collinsworth.

Abraham Lincoln, Collinsworth. Isn't the irony? Wasn't that Kentucky? team actually all white. They weren't even segregated. They were still segregated at the time. It's a guy named Abraham Lincoln on an all white basketball team. On a segregated basketball team.

What the fuck? Yeah, he probably wouldn't have made it otherwise. Yeah, that's crazy. Abraham Lincoln Collinsworth. And Torillo was just like, oh, you learn something new every day. Okay. Abraham Lincoln, God.

Dude, honest Abe Lincoln, Collinsworth. That's why. wild. Also, wait, one thing before we move on from this game, I just found this to be really odd. The kicker for the Seahawks, they were about to kick the field goal, and then it was like close to halftime. And they said, uh, he's named Jason Myers to kick her. And it, and Tariko said, no one has scored more points in the NFL the last five years than this man. And I was like, excuse me? Jason Myers has the most points in the NFL since 2020? No fucking idea. What if you could have given me a hundred people. I know it's often. We don't talk about points.

in NFL. I know it's often... Jason Myers is not a kicker that lives in my head at all. Right. If you're right, if you're going to pick 20 kickers, I can barely remember

he's the Seahawks kicker, you know? I would have been like Justin Tucker, Chris Boswell, I don't know. Right. Just a rand-off. Craig, before we go, I'm going to text you something right now.

I just, I have no context. If you're listening, I haven't sent this to him yet. I want you to just read this in your Chris Collinsworth voice, okay? Just read that what I just texted you in your Chris Collinsworth's worth voice.

Four score. and seven years ago, our father has brought forth on this continent a new nation my conceiving liberty dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. I just love how, now we're in engaging in a great civil war,

testing whether the nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battle gridiron of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field and as a final resting place for those who gave

their lives that that nation might live it is all together fitting and proper that we should do this, Mike. The Gettysburg a dress. Jesus. Oh, my Lord. Oh, thanks, Chris. Third and eight for Marcus

Marriota. All right, winner or loser? They just scored a touchdown. Yeah. They did. Without them, there you go. Look it up. Who scored? Rodriguez, I think. Of course.

Yeah. All right. Not Bill. No, not Bill Merritt. And yeah, okay, we can probably move on from this game. Yeah, we're going to move on from this game. My dad just texted me nasty Jaden Daniels injury. Indeed.

That's right. He's in an air cast. Or not an air case. He's in some type of. Your dad said nasty injury. Your mom said, why do you look so sweaty? I know. Are you sick?

Are you sick? You look sickly. Wait, winner. Winner from today. We're going to Buffalo. Buffalo B. They literally won. They literally won the game.

Buffalo be Kansas City, 28 to 21. Can we call them a winner? I thought we said on Thursday that if they win it doesn't, it literally doesn't matter. Well, that was what I was saying. That's what I'm going to, where I'm going. They are literally a winner because Buffalo is now beaten Kansas City five straight regular seasons, but they're still 0 and 4 versus the chief of the playoffs. So, D.K, while Buffalo is literally a winner, does this mean anything to you?

like narratively not a lot it does help with the standings it helps with the playoffs it literally helps in the standings it helps in the standings a lot i'm talking about like once they get to the playoffs and these teams inevitably face off again in the playoffs does this win mean anything no probably not if anything it's almost funny from the chiefs like it's almost like we're just going to lose every regular season just to show you that it doesn't matter this doesn't bother us at all every single time these teams have played in the regular season, you feel like it's meant something,

and then you get there in the dozen. I mean, I think this game in a nutshell, I don't want to spend that much time on it because we talk so much time about these. Everyone wants this game. I feel like it's like pseudo prime time. I think the whole thing's kind of summed up that Josh Allen set the bill's franchise record

for completion percentage with like 88%, 89% almost. And then Patrick Mahomes at the lowest completion percentage of his career. I think that that kind of just is a neat little summary. They just couldn't block. The chiefs couldn't block. To me, that was the story. Mahomes was pressured all night.

50 got hit 15 times and they just kind of kept losing offensive line, man it was like Kingsley Suaamataya got hurt and then Joanne Taylor went out and then obviously Josh Simmons has this like situation he's away from the team and frankly I mean I don't, DK, do you think Joey Bosa is back

or do you think the Chiefs line was so playing so poorly that Joey Bosa was briefly resuscitated? I don't know. I think he definitely somewhere in the middle. I don't think he's like back back. There was one play, the fourth down play, where they got like a fourth, the chief's got a fourth and 17.

Bosa got so cleanly into the backfield that he thought they were running a screen to his side because no one was blocking him. And so he like ran in a circle because he was like, wait, where's the running back? That was one of the stranger plays. That wasn't like the craziest play I've ever seen or all season.

Yeah. But it was, it was wild. It was bizarre. I don't know why the chiefs can't really get third and ones, but that fourth and 17. I don't know, Craig. I thought that fourth and 17 was just, like, I actually, like, my eyes kind of popped out of my head.

I know. That was the most casual fourth and 17 conversion I've ever seen in my life. Like, everyone just kind of moved on, which I guess is a testament to how amazing Mahomes is. But, I mean. Also, then Rishi Rice, again, just running around. Just open. Just wide fucking open, like always. Fourth and 17, it was a 29-yard pass to Rice.

He's just, like, wide open in the middle of the field. And I just couldn't believe. It's like, they were in a weird spot where they're, like, too far to kick, too close to punt. They're like, I guess we'll just go for it. And they just very easily got it. And I thought it was ridiculous. It was the easiest looking thing I've ever seen, probably because they didn't block Joey Bosa

and he decided not to do anything about it. But I get it. It would have been confusing for him too. James Cook first running back to run for 100 yards in the Chiefs in 34 games. I do just want to shout out Josh Allen. Most games ever with a rushing touchdown and a passing touchdown in NFL history.

He's like not 30 yet. That's kind of, also players have had six rushing touchdowns and eight straight seasons. It's just a list of five of the best running backs ever. It's like the Danny and Tomlinson and Marshall Faw. and Jim Brown, Derek Henry, Thurman Thomas, and then Josh Allen. It's just bizarre. So, but anyway, yeah, we don't have to spend a ton of time on this.

Bill's literal winner. Yep. But then a literal and spiritual winner, and I do think the thing we should probably go to next is Craig, your Pittsburgh Steelers. Unfortunately for our Ringer 107 picks in which we did horribly, the cult were not a wagon today. And of course, this just goes to show like, I don't know. no, man. This stuff's all over the place.

The NFL is insane. Like the Packers losing to the Panthers. The Steelers fucking handled the Colts. Like this game ended up 27-20. It was really like 24-10, basically most of the second half. That spiritually would act. Like the real score was more like 24 to 10. The Colts had six turnovers.

They had four all season. And today they had six. Daniel Jones had three picks and two fumbles. The Steelers were, their defense was completely different. I mean, I know they switched up some scheme stuff, which is nice to see. Their defensive line was fucking great. Like, their linebackers and their linemen were just like in Daniel Jones's shorts the entire night. They couldn't get anything going.

They couldn't run the ball. Jonathan Taylor had like 50 yards rushing. And it looked like what the hype was supposed to go. You know, in August, everybody's talking. Oh, the Steelers' defense could be special. Right. The practices that we're seeing from this defense, D.K. Mek, I think this is the best defense I've ever seen. Him coming from Seattle.

And they were, they've been horrible all season. Couldn't do anything. They were getting gashed by tight ends. Tyler Warren had his lowest, lowest total. of the year, 20 yards, I think you had. It was a complete reversal of everything we've seen from the Steelers defense this year. Yeah. I mean, that's, and again, to reiterate, this was one of the greatest offenses we've seen through

eight weeks ever. And they couldn't do anything. Legitimately up there with the 07 Patriots. And the Steelers had injuries. Like, they had a bunch of safeties out. They had to move Jalen Ramsey to safety. They traded for Kyle Dugger. He started after basically two days in Pittsburgh.

So, but their defensive line was great. Like, the rookie Harmon's good. Like, they have a lot of Peyton Wilson, their second year guys, awesome. They're really good up front. And so I honestly, I don't know what to take away from this game. I don't know if that's who the Steelers are or what. It took,

it's the 1,000th less than the Tallman era that as soon as we completely write off the Steelers that you should bet on them, all it took was Craig having an intrusive thought last week that T.J. Watt was super overrated. And then Steelers Finns literally holding a funeral for their defense in the parking lot with a fucking casket in the parking lot. Exercise the demons. Yeah. Yeah.

TJ Y had a really great strip sack. Yeah, look. Then the offense was pretty mediocre, but 18 pressures on Daniels. What can we say? 18? Six takeaways. Well, we have to. I know we're not here at Fart or Schart yet,

but we have to do a little interlude here for Fart or Schart, D.K. Is this a fart for the cults? Is this just like a burn the tape? Like, you know what happens sometimes? DJ what gets to you? Or is this a, is Daniel, like when Sam Darnal just had his total collapse to the two weeks at the end of last season,

And like, did that just happen? Daniel Jones? Is it going to be totally different going forward? Or what's it going to be? No, I don't think this is a shart. Like, I don't think they're going to turn back into like a terrible offense and all that stuff. I do think it will be very telling to see how Daniel Jones reacts to this because I think in the past. This was we got like, I got like five different texts from people today being like, oh, old Sam Darnold is back.

You know what I mean? Like, sorry, not Sam Darnold. Old Daniel Jones is back. And it kind of reminds me of like. Sam Darnold last year kind of collapsing at the worst possible time for the Vikings. And so it'll be really cool that they're informative, I guess, to see how he reacts to this next week. But yeah, I mean, this was a horrible game by Daniel Jones, six, five turnovers.

Like he said, he had two fumbles lost. I think he had three fumbles and then he lost two of them. Plus three picks. They couldn't run the ball, which was shocking. Again, this was like a terrible defense for the rest of the season. The Steelers. Like historically bad. It was so weird.

I think 450 yards each of the last two games, which the Steelers' defense has never done. Jonathan Taylor, 14 rushes for 45 yards. They couldn't run the ball, so they had to put it all on Daniel Jones's shoulders. Again, this offense has been so good because they have such incredible balance

and they have so many different weapons that can make big plays. And it just went to crap today. I think they're going to be fine. I think their offense is going to remain very good. But just a sliver in the back of my mind, I'm like, man, did Daniel Jones just turn back into a pumpkin here.

Well, it's interesting. We're in an interesting time right now with a handful of good teams in the NFL. Guys like Daniel Jones, I would put Sam Darnold in this category. Caleb Williams is pretty young and unproven, but I kind of think he has the same feeling. You could throw what Mack Jones is doing on the Niners in there, where there's a lot of guys who are performing really well in the system. When things are working right, they look awesome.

And then we saw Donald in the playoffs last year. And there are these quarterbacks that are like, every week I see it, I believe a little bit more. more. However, I wouldn't, I wouldn't let these guys walk me across the street because when the playoffs roll around, I don't trust any of them. But their offenses are absolutely humming. Like the bears put up 40 fucking seven points today. And Daniel Jones, the best offense since the 07 Patriots, and yet still, Hyphins, doesn't it feel like that they're the most points per drive since the 07 Patriots? They're not the best offense since the 07 patrons. Doesn't it

feel that way, though, where there's a lot of these great offenses and great quarterbacks that you still don't trust? Yeah, I mean, it's, the reality. The reality, is that we give too much credit individually to quarterback sometimes, and it's okay for quarterbacks to, like, operate in one of the most efficient offenses ever. Like the Lions also, if you just look at straight points per game through like 10 weeks, one of the best teams ever was the Lions last year with Jared Goff. Right, right. Like, I don't know. I guess I'm more comfortable with this idea that sometimes Sam Donald would just come out and throw 14, four touchdowns and 16 passes

like six months after we wanted to write him off, one month after we decided he was a great quarterback after five years of writing him off. Jones, I actually was just more just, I really struggled. I believed he was better and healthier than he ended on the Giants tenure. But it was rattling, it just was really like hurting my brain that the Colts offense could be 30 plus points per game with him. And I kind of have been waiting for something like this, mostly to just like make me feel better that the Giants released to this man last year, like in November, they cut him.

and I'm like, and he just now, but I don't know. I mean, clearly the Colts are just a better team. I don't know. I think this is probably closer to burn the tape. I don't think the Colts are going to be a 30 plus point team going forward. I'm confused. I want to go back and watch this game for, to your point, why the Colts couldn't run on Pittsburgh, I was very surprised by.

But the also has made out stupid fucking mistakes, like six turnovers. Frankly, they only lost by seven goddamn points. No, I know. That's the flip side is don't turn it over six times. Even the Colts have turned it over three times. They probably win this game. I mean, Josh Downs fumbled the punt. That was so stupid, too.

I am so judgy of punt returners. If you're not going to catch it, get away from the ball. Why do you need to be so close? You've decided not to catch it. Get away from the ball. You're like, voyeurism. What are you doing? And then sometimes, like, I'm not going to touch it.

But then it bounces close to them. And they're like, ooh, wait, should I? Should I? Get away. I'm not. I'm not supposed to be here. Get away. Oh, God.

Anyway. Anyway, yeah. Anyway, Steelers, I guess they're, the steel curtains back? They're back? Are they back back? I don't know. I Googled Silk Curtin trying to find the joke you made, and then I just got a bunch of ads for curtains,

and I felt really stupid. You mentioned the other team, the, you mentioned how the Bears scored all these points today, and I have to, I'm sorry, my loser has to be the Cincinnati Bengals, because I actually, originally was going to talk. I was going to have winner Joe Flacco, because I just couldn't believe what I watched. And then the Bengals lost the game to the Bears today.

It was really, I know we joke about this all the time, but really was one of the four or five crazes games of the entire year. It just truly like an inexplicable, inexplicable game. The final score is hilarious. It's 47. Bears had 47 points. Bengals at 42.

I feel like in the offseason, when the Bengals signed Jamar Chase to a huge contract and signed T. Higgins, also to a huge contract, both a receiver and brought back Mike Gisicki at tight end, while also paying Joe Burrow. We went on the show, and we literally said, isn't spending all of this money on offense going to just lock in Cincinnati as a non-competitive defense that will bring down the ceiling of this team's ability to win every single week?

And Mina Kimes made the joke, the Simpsons Mark McGuire joke of the-socks some dingers. Do you want to know the terrifying truth or you want to watch Jamar Chase and Teagan socks some dingers? And we were like, dingers, this was the dingers game. just dingers. I could decide whether this was a bat like an impressive or just horrific for both teams. You know what I mean?

Like I didn't know whether to be impressed or disgusted. Just a strip club. It was a strip club of a game. It was crazy because I mean, obviously the offense is exciting. There was a whole bunch of guys that kind of were blossoming before our eyes.

Colston Loveland had an incredible game winning play. And then also I was just like, man, this isn't this isn't good football. This isn't fun to watch. What are we doing here? Corey McGettty, bad porn. A lot of scoring and penetration. I don't know if you're having fun watching it.

So, I mean, just to go through it, because this was inexplicable, Joe Flacco broke his career high for passing yards by almost 100 yards, had four passing touchdowns. 450-something something? He's the first guy over 40 to ever hit 470 yards in games. Jamar Chase and Teagans both had over 100 yards. T. Higgins was the number two receiver on the day. The Bengals had 42 points.

Just to recap in case, You didn't see this one. The game just seemed super over. There's like under three minutes left. The Bengals are down 14 points with under three minutes left. Joe Falako throws a pick. Games over. I don't know what the odds are.

And that has to be 99. That has to be like a giant's bet Bronco situation, 16, 100 games in a row, like turnover, down 14 under three minutes. The game's over. Well, Flacco gets the ball back right before the two-minute warning. Joe Flacco scores in four place with a crazy touchdown at T. Higgins. get the two-point conversion also to T. Higgins. Bengals get the onside kick, which never happens anymore.

The percentage of getting an onside kick nowadays, isn't it, like 3% or something? It's crazy love. It meets the standard of literally a statistical anomaly. And so now Flacco gets the ball back down six, scores again in six plays. So Joe Flacco scores two touchdowns in 49 seconds of game time under the two-minute warning, to the point where he actually leaves time left for the Bears, like inconceivable. Yeah, like they left like 50 seconds or something.

To be down 14 under the two minute warning and to actually take the lead and leave too much time, it just blew my mind. So then the Bengals who are so fucking bad at tackling that Colston, Caleb Williams hits Colston Loveland over the middle for, I don't know, 20 yards downfield. He pinballed off of three guys and then ran 58 yards. The safety on Cincinnati, it's easy to criticize, but like obviously you get mad when the safety just kind of throws a shoulder at a guy. and then like they bounce and you're like wrap up.

That is like the ultimate wrap up situation. There's like 35 seconds left at the time. They need to a touchdown, like tackle them, lay on them. Like you need to like kill clock. And he just goes your arms. Yeah, use your arms. And he just bounces and runs in the whole thing. And the Bengals players after the game lost their minds.

Chase Brown was at, they just threw the team under the bus. Chase Brown was just sitting there. It was like me with Craig in the group chat, just making fun of him too. Like Chase Brown was like, They were asked Chase Brown in the running back. How do you feel? He was like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, just get a stop. We put up 42 points.

We got the lead back. Like, just end the game. Let us go to victory formation. I'm like, oh, my God, these guys are losing their minds. You know what I don't understand about this Bengals, Joe Flacco thing? I guess it's only, how many games do you play? Has he played four? Four.

He's 11 touchdowns and two picks in these four games. Why is he not taking as many sacks as Joe Burrow and getting hit as much? Because it's like, if you look at the numbers, he's basically getting sacked like half as much as Burrow did. Sacks are a quarterback stat. It's a stylistic approach to pressure. I guess it's rhetorical, but it's just because Joe Burrow takes more sacks. Joe Burroughs is less decisive or something?

I don't know. I will, I'd actually be curious to pull up the time to throw. I think the short answer is basically like your reaction. Flacco's getting out earlier? Yeah, your reaction to pressure is either to hold onto the ball and scramble and try to extend. What Burrow does is he will trade sacks for the opportunity to extend the play and try to get a play downfield.

Flacco has made. it to 41 years old by getting rid of the ball. It's just funny, though, that, like, Jamar Chase is having the best stretch of his career, and it's not with Joe Burrow. For fantasy, because there's a lot of catches. Yeah. Joe Marchease is absolutely fucking miserable.

I understand that. The cut time on the sideline? It's just kind of funny that a 41-year-old is taking less sacks and doing a better job at getting to-Mitching. Well, Craig, that's, like, my intrusive thought of the week was basically, like, wait, it had me, what Joe Flacco was doing has me almost doubting my conviction. that Joe Burrow is one of the best

quarterbacks? Like, is Joe Burrow a system quarterback? Is T. Higgins and Jamar Chase just propping Joe Burrow up? There's no way, right? Joe Flacco does make it look quite easy to play the Jamar Chase and Teagan. They're like, oh, can anyone do this? Also, the context of when Joe Flacco was with the Browns, he was

legitimately fucking horrible. He was the worst quarterback in the NFL when he was on the Browns earlier this year. This is my point. This is what I'm saying. Almost like the theme of every conversation. It's a team sport. From weeks, from weeks one to four, guys, weeks one to four, Joe Flacco averaged six points per game.

He was dead last in fantasy points per game. He had two touchdowns of six picks, a 60 pass rating, which was also dead last, 32nd in EPA per dropback. Since week six and it's being traded, and this is why Mike Tomlin was upset about this, he is the QB1 in fantasy, 25 points per game.

Is he really? He's two in, to interceptions. 28 completions per game, which is most in the NFL, 103 pass rating. He's fifth in EP. a per drop. Can I

well, they are averaging more points per game than they've ever averaged with Burrow. They are leading the league in points per game with Joe Flacco,

32 points a game. What the hell? We haven't talked about this. Why should the leadership of the Cleveland Browns not be fired for this for sending Joe Flacco

to the Bengals? Well, I thought, remember you said they're playing chess. They want the Bengals to be better so that the Bengals will get a worse pick.

If that was their reason, if they said that to Jimmy Hasl and the owner of the Browns and they're like, the Bengals will be better and will be worse, and that way

ruining the draft capital. Cool. If they said Joe Flacco sucks, he can't play. We're going to send him to Cleveland. And he's going to send him to Cincinnati. It's going to ruin their season. For a fifth round pick swap,

they move from basically the 180th pick to the 200th pick. If they told him that to just get, basically move up 30 spots on the third day of the draft, like they honestly, I think this is malpractice. And I actually think it's going to, I think it will actually maybe end the tenure of the Cleveland front office. I'm not saying it will happen.

This is the straw that's going to break the, Camel's back of the fucking Browns. For the fan base. I think the fan base can't get over this. They are so, like, Cincinnati and Cleveland. Meanwhile, Dylan Gabriel can't pass the ball more than like 10 yards down the field. Have you seen? No, I'm just saying that the Browns fans can take a lot.

Certainly. Flacco playing like this for your division rival because you gave them to, you didn't get anything. They turned a sixth rounder into a fifth rounder. The division rival thing is, is, it's un-American. It is un-American. It's un-American trading to your division rival. It's kind of all you have at some point. It is.

Like, what are we doing? Like, it's unsportsman-like. It is unsportsman-like conduct. That is literally what the frowns did. You can't do that. It's been, I will say, though, it's too. I'm upset that the Bears won, not because I don't like the Bears. By the way, the Bengals keep losing.

They keep losing. Well, speaking of that, before we get talked about the Bears, I have a great stat for you here. The Bengals are the first team to score 38 plus points and back to back games and lose both since the 1966 Giants. Yeah. The Bengals defense, it sucks. It's going to suck. They're going to be like this forever.

They're locked in. It's not because they paid the guys. It's because they missed all their picks on defense. It is what it is. We'll get to the Bears in a second. I just want to say, before the Bears came back and won this game, I think what Flacco is doing, because he should have won this game. And the story should have been the Bengals defense slew it.

Joe Flacco came back from, he won that he should have won this game in regulation with a minute and 45 left. I think this is one of the craziest runs I've ever seen from an athlete. Like Joe Flacko, the last three years, he was dead to rights two years ago, so much so to the point that he beat DeMor Hamlin for comeback player of the year two years ago. He's literally Michael Myers. Every season, he just keeps coming back. He was dead to rights four weeks ago.

Like, he was awful for the Browns. Can I reiterate? He was the worst quarterback in the NFL when he was on the Browns. This is unbelievable. A month ago. Yeah, I'm blown by Flacco. But the Bears, though, do deserve credit because even if they did, it in the strip club of the Cincinnati Bengals.

We keep making the joke because it's the, Craig, how did you put it? It's like, is this team actually good or is it just, you know, it's like, does the stripper actually like you? Is this just her job? It's like, is this team actually good or is this the Bengals defense they're playing? Right. Yeah, and I mean, it definitely is the Bengals defense is horrific. But we said on Thursday, we were like,

you know, if there's any game where Caleb's going to be fantastic, it better be this game. And, I mean, he was great, especially for fantasy. He was by far the best fantasy quarterback of the day. I think it was the third best game of a, fantasy quarterback this whole season. He had 37 points. Caught a touchdown through three.

Caught two passes today. Yeah. Caught a touchdown from DJ more. Not one but two. Yeah, they were great. And then we also saw Colston Loveland. Like finally, we also talked about this on Thursday.

You know, if we were as good at our ringer 107 picks as we were about fantasy prognostication, we'd be having a good Sunday because Colston Loveland, as we said, all the Bears receivers were banged up. Loveland was fantastic. Had the game winning 50-yard touchdown and like looks now like he is you know, officially kind of like, oh, I understand

why they took this guy 10th. Right, right. Yeah, that's the key thing is now you kind of can glimpse why they took him over Tyler Warren. I think for most of the year it was like, man, look at what Tyler Warren's doing. And then now the colds suck. I think he's just, he's closed the gap and he did look great.

He out there. He had 26 points in fantasy, two touchdowns, 118 yards. This other guy, Kyle Monongai, also looked really good. They're running back, their backup running back, who's been splitting reps with DeAndre Swift. DeAndre Swift was out this week. Monongay looked really, he was breaking a lot of tackles, pretty explosive.

He looked amazing. For a seventh rounder. He looked like David Montgomery. He looked like he was worth doing a David Montgomery Halloween costume. Yeah. So he finished as the RB3 on the day. DJ Moore finished as wide receiver three. He threw a touchdown on the Philly special to Caleb Williams.

He looks, he looks, he looks, he looks, he's looking like he's getting more on the same page with Caleb Williams. I think they're, their connection is like improving a little bit over the last few weeks. So that's good. Overall, though, like hopefully, obviously this is a huge caveat. It's the Bengals defense. They're not going to face the Bengals defense every week. But they did what they were supposed to do.

Yeah, maybe this will be like a little bit of a momentum, confidence boulder for them and they can start to really gel. And it's nice to see the young players for the bears kind of doing what they were supposed to do. Well, I will say for the first time this season, maybe ever on this show, I think we have a debut top ball Daily Double with Manungai and Lovelin here, right? There we go.

Two guys, two rookies maturing in front of our very eyes. We need a sound drop. Every time you say maturing, Haifitz dies a little. That's like people who say human being maturing. We need a sound drop like Jeopardy for

debutante Daily Double. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Menongai looks fantastic. And I mean, he looks better than Dandre Swift. I mean, importantly, the run game. The run game has just been effective.

I know it's the Bengals. I understand that, but he just, he looked awesome to me. 47 points in regulation, pretty good. So stick with the NFC North here. We got to go to it's so over. We're so back. We're so back for JJ McCarthy, quarterback of the Vikings. I don't know, D.K.

I thought it was a huge game for him. This was a crucial, crucial game for him. I mean, if he would have played poorly, it would have all fucking over. No, he looked actually very impressive. High Fitz credit to that. for having that. I got off that pod and I was like, I don't even know what we were arguing about really,

but yeah, JJ McCarthy played really well in that game. Wait, credit to Hyvitz for predicting he would play well? I don't think he, I think he just said this is an important game. Okay, I'm taking the credit back. Heifitz gets no credit. Shit.

Well, I forget, Hyvids, were you saying McCarthy was going to be awesome? No, we were arguing over whether it was like a pivotal game, I guess, for JJ. Pull up the tape. I said J.J. McCarthy's going to complete 14 and 45 passes for 14343. yards, two touchdowns, one pick, five sacks.

He's going to run nine times for 12 yards. The stat line won't be awesome. The stat line doesn't look great, actually. But he's going to have a few awesome moments. I will say he didn't have to do a ton. He was protected. But like the first drive, like didn't have to do much. They moved the ball a lot with runs and screens.

Then he threw it awesome. Like the first real passy out of the game was like a dime to Jordan Addison. And Jordan Edison dropped it. It was awesome. So two plays later he just throws to the other sideline to Justin Jefferson. And Justin Jefferson catches it touchdown. the next drive come down and he's like scramble gets to the red zone again and he didn't really have to do a lot of work him getting them in the red zone but when he was there he did his job and he like did the thing you're like kind of never supposed to do as a rookie quarterback get away with it scramble was right through across his body over the middle of field just did it worked to tj hawkinson got another touchdown had another scramble in the third quarter got a touchdown like there was a lot of puns in between that don't worry about it but the coolest play that he had of the all game was to i ice the game because the Vikings won this game, 27, 24,

and they actually got to get multiple first downs to not get the lines of the ball back. And on third and six, he kind of roped a pretty dangerous pass to Jalen Naylor, and he just fucking nailed it. And Jalen Naylor caught it. And they just ended the game. And it was pretty like ice in his veins.

And then all the videos after the game were pretty cool. Yeah, he's nuts. I mean, he is one of the more intense people I've ever seen, especially for a rookie, him in the locker room afterwards. Like, he doesn't blink. But... I have a tiger, Craig. almost like this guy has only

thrown 41 passes in the NFL and we shouldn't maybe decide if he's good or not yet. He's basically played six quarters until today. You know what I mean? This guy hadn't played football. I want to say just from like an affect point of view or just his body language and how he appeared on the

field, he felt way more confident, not a deer in the headlights like we saw for almost all his other plays prior to this other than that fourth quarter against the Bears in week one. I thought he just looked more confident, look more poised. I don't know.

He was just stepping into throws. He was playing on time a little bit more. He was definitely still late on some throws and there's things to work out. But I think overall, it was a positive performance and we can probably shut up about him getting benched now. Well, this is why I thought it was such a big deal. The Vikings are four and four. But every other team in the NFC North has five wins.

So the Vikings are totally still back in the playoff hunt now. This was a huge win because they brought the lines back to Earth. The Packers blew it by losing. into Carolina. Like, the NFC North could go any which way over the second half of the season. There's a lot of excitement.

I think sometimes, like, rookies come in, and they're kind of like still playing like they were in college where it's like, you're scrambling around. It's all like magic plays at the end of the game,

stuff like that. I do think McCarthy has a lot of that, and it's like, the actually good quarterbacks end up graduating from that and they end up becoming guys who can just like sit in a pocket rip passes or read a defense,

play good. And that's always the line. There are a lot of guys who come in. Like, I think Dart has a little bit the same thing, even though I think darts good. But like, where it's like all these crazy magic plays.

And it's like, these are fun. But eventually you're going to have to be able to just like face a good defense and dice them up with your arm. And so McCarthy, it's like we're seeing everything. Again, he's played like 10 quarters. And I think so far you have to be, you have to be relatively excited about what you're seeing, right? Yeah, I think, Vikings fans, I think, feel super vindicated.

Like, you know, because probably weren't shadow. He probably was hurt. Also, yeah. Also, like maybe... Because I said something about him never playing a... Never having a start for the Vikings ever again. That was a... Bill made us give a hot take.

That was basically a take person. Well, I gave a correct take, which is that why did the Bengals even know need Joe Burrow back? Like, Joe Flack was perfectly fine. That's kind of aging perfectly. Also, like, maybe it's a good thing to wait to make sure that a player that is really important to your team is 100% healthy. Yeah.

Yes. And the mobility, you can tell them. Dude, there was a couple of plays during this game where he got chased down from behind and tackled. And I was like, oh, God. Like I was really, I just kept, I was really worried about him a couple times, but came through unscathed. And yeah, they got to feel pretty confident going forward about this. So that's a huge bonus for them.

I can't wait for that. He's going to play shit like shit next week. And we're going to be, it's so over. It's so over. Speaking of it's so over, I felt like Trivian Henderson for the Patriots. It was also kind of, it was a real big, it's over. We're so back. Week within an it's so over.

We're so back season for Trivia and Henderson where it's like, every single time, we're like, this is going to happen. No, it's not. I want this guy. Why am I doing this? And then today, Jackie and I earn like a 14 team league. And she actually needed to like add her. She comes to me like 20 minutes for the game started.

She's like, I need a running back off waivers. And I'm like in a 14 team league to play. And I'm sitting there looking at it to Rill Jennings. And I'm like, that's pretty stupid. I shouldn't do that. He's never had more than two fantasy points. And then you saw the video of Vrabel hugging him. And you're like, you know what?

Anyway, he scored a touchdown instead of trivia on Henderson. So I feel like it's so over. And yet, D.K., you told me today that Trayvon Henderson's nameplate is allegedly the right size now. I can't confirm it, but it looked normal. So that's good. You know, because we talked about his nameplate. His numbers were all small and, like, crammed together for his letters, yeah. Yeah, sorry, his letters.

There's like all these people talking about how, you know, the uniform design is, they have the stripes on the shoulders. I'm like, what about Christian Gonzalez? What about fucking Romandre Stevens? Their nameplates are normal. like why can't we fit his name in there anyway so it looks like they fixed it maybe they didn't but it looked normal today so we're so back on that he also had his best game i think as a pro 14 carry 65 yards he had four catches for 32 yards he played 75% of snaps um so he's like a third

of the way to call him un guy cool he i'm sure he'll get relegated back to the bench if remodre comes back so you got to you got to kind of watch what happens with uh remandre's injury as a toe injury which can linger um but At the very least, he made some nice place today. Yeah, it was something that you couldn't have said about pretty much any other game for last week. It was still annoyingly underwhelming for a guy who started the game. And he had like 11 points. He had 10 points.

It was fine. Oh, my God. D.K., you're such a whore for double digits. If he had 9.6 points, you would not be like, yeah, he had 9.6. It's his 10. I'm looking on the bright side of life. Like watching Terrell Jennings score in the first quarter in the Reds on, I was like, what the fuck? I know.

I know, I totally agree. Craig just texted Terrell Jennings to the group chat. What are we doing? It's like he's putting the name, the people to kill list. Terrell Jennings. Now we're going to get into something special. That's right. It's time for a brand new segment called Who's Cooking This Week?

Brought to you by our friends at IKEA. Now, IKEA's where to go when you want to cook up your dream kitchen. But today we're talking about who is absolutely cooking in fantasy football. And Craig, I think that there's only one. guy here we can really start this with. Who's in the kitchen cooking? I got to give it to Drake London, who the Falcons unfortunately lost in devastating fashion by one point to the Patriots. But Drake London is absolutely cooking in fantasy. It was a slow start. The first month was a little messy. Since week four, Drake London, number one wide receiver in fantasy points per game. Really?

He had three touchdowns today, about 120 yards. Third best fantasy performance by receiver this season. Every touchdown was fantastic. Like even if he just had one of those, it would have been like the play of the day. I think he had three. They were all like one handed. He is basically playing basketball. He plays basketball at wide receiver more than any receiver I can remember. He's like, I don't even know why he needs to run routes. Like just throw, you know, aim him at the corner of the end zone and throw it up and he will just like go up and come down with it like a power forward. Yeah. He is really, I mean, he literally did play basketball at USC. But he's in Incredible. And it's like the new best jumpball guy in the league, I feel, like him and T. Higgins.

I totally. That is a good point because I think T. Higgins still deserves the crown, but I agree that Drake London's right there. I think today looked like Michael Pennix to Drake London today really reminded me of Michael Penix to Romick's to Roamed Zunzee at Washington in college, where Michael Pennick just had this rapport of just like, I'm just going to throw up. And that, and that works like 80% of the time just toss it to Rome. He's going to figure it out. But like with just enough of a rapport to figure out what like picking and choosing your spots, they were totally on par or they were just on the same page the whole time. But to your point of the degree of difficulty, it's like if it was gymnastics, like the harder the routine, the bigger the score, the multiplayer or whatever, like Drake London, it wasn't quite Simone Biles stuff out there.

But everything was like as hard as it could be with no margin for errors at the end of the half. It was at the end of the game. It was to tie the game. I know they didn't tie the game. But everything was really important and as hard as it could possibly be. And Drake London just, it kept like escalating the seed. Yeah, the fourth quarter one was nuts. It was like one-handed corner of the end zone.

He had like a 50-yard catch down the sideline where he went up so high and grabbed it. He basically landed on Kristen Gonzalez. He like body slammed him and injured him. It was like a WWWE move. It was like he got the ball and then like crushed him. He like could, his air time was so much better than Kristen Gonzalez is that by the time he came down. Christian Gonzalez is already on the ground, and then he, like, landed on him.

But, yeah, man. Remember the quaint old days when we couldn't remember any place from Drake London? Those days are early. I know. He has such an identity now to me. Like, he's like a Mike Evans, T. Higgins, just, like, throw it up to him in the corner of the end zone. Drake London, to me, is also age-wise, like, the Sam Darnold's,

because the same way Donald is, like, two and a half years older than Tyler Shuck, who had one of the worst performances I've ever seen today. Drake, like, I'm just saying, Drake London's 24? Yeah. I mean, he's like his entire prime is ahead of him. So, I mean, it's unbelievable.

It's a good, it's a good call, Craig, too, because it felt like at the beginning of the year, he was a bust. It felt like things were going to go really poorly. I remember, because we touted him a lot. We really liked it coming into the year. And I was like, oh, this is not aging well. But they're definitely on the same page now. And because, like, last year, when, when Pennix was starting, he was the number one receiver in fantasy. Now we're seeing that again.

He's just lasering in on him. I mean, he had 14 targets today. The other guy that I want to shout out, who is also doing, you know, he, at the beginning of the year, it looked like he was one of the worst picks in fantasy. And it was mainly because he got hurt and they tried to play through the injury. Yeah, it was only because he got hurt. Right. But Brock Bowers, man, he reminded me today why I love him so much.

He was absolutely thrilling to watch. Just the guy moves differently than everyone else on the field. He's bigger and more explosive than pretty much any defender. and he had three touchdowns in this game. He had a one-handed touchdown in the beginning of the game. Another, he, like, caught a ball and outraced everyone to the end zone. And then he caught a third touch on an overtime. The dude, he's just so good.

I love Brock Barrett. He clearly changes the Raiders' offense so much. So it's really just fun to see him healthy and out there. I think Gino had a much better game today because Brock was out there kind of doing his thing. Yeah, so he had 37 fantasy points, three touchdown. downs, 127 yards. This is exactly why people were drafting him at the one-two turn this year.

It's a big win for waiting for your players to be healthy with J.J. McCarthy and Brock Bowers, where they took the extra weeks to be like, we're actually going to wait until he's 100%. And he's probably not even 100%. And he is so clearly like the best tied it in the league. It's crazy. It's the best player in the fields.

It's unbelievable. It's one of the receivers, period. Yeah. It's unbelievable. And Bowers, too, it's funny, though, D.K., because you're like, oh, he looks like he's huge. He does look like he's huge. He's not. He just has like this.

Every time he has the ball, he just feels like he can't be brought down or he can't be caught. He's like made a cement. But he's 6'3. If he's 6'2, he probably wouldn't play tight end. I see what you're saying. It's funny too,

because there were all these memes of people of Aaron Glenn, the coach of the Jets, sprinting down the sideline celebrating. And it was just like all these like one and seven fantasy managers celebrating that Brock Bauer had 40 points today. But Brock Bowers doubled his fantasy points today.

Like, I don't think Brock Bowers had. He's like the tight of 10 even after missing all that time. Because he doubled his points today. I looked it up because I was curious. If you go by full PPR scoring, so like you get a full point per catch, Brock Bowers did the 10th most fantasy points today in a single game by 10 and ever.

I mean, he made me believe in the Raiders again. Gino was kind of cooking. Ashton Genti was doing stuff. I was like, they're hanging with the Jags. I mean, we can talk about what they did at the end of the game by going for two, but they lost by one. But I don't know. The offense looked a lot.

better because of Brock Bowers. Yeah. My, yeah, and power is just unbelievable. The other guy I want to just mention for cooking days, Matt Stafford for the Rams. We don't have to spend a ton of time in this game. It was 30, the Rams beat the Saints 34 to 10.

It was not the least competitive game maybe of this year. Dude. That was the one bet we hit. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Stafford, this season, has 21 touchdown passes and two interceptions. He had 20 touchdown passes last year in the entire year.

Wait, can I be the guy to do it? Why isn't he in the MVP conversation? But he actually should be. Yeah, right. Because he has 21 touchdowns and two picks. I know it's probably Josh Allen. But if we voted today, I feel like Stafford would be second or third, or they shouldn't. And I mean, them getting Devante also.

It's like, because Puka inevitably will miss a quarter of every game because he always gets injured because he's a maniac. And having Devonte there is just like this automatic. red zone target for Matt Stafford is really something. I was thinking today, Stafford to Devante at the two-yard line feels as inevitable as, this gets lost, but peak Drew Breeze to peak Jimmy Graham

was felt literally like unstoppable. Like there's nothing you could do. And obviously Devante Adams is not like stylistically or size wise like Jimmy Graham. But watching it today, I was kind of like, there's nothing anyone could do about this with the ramp. Like there's no way to play defense in a way that Stafford's not going to get this ball to Devante

unless you're just playing in a way that they're just going to be able to run it up the middle. It's like a pick and roll in the NBA with like two players that no matter what you do, you can't stop it. It's like when being the pick and roll, you're like what? I don't know how we do that. And Puka did leave for a portion of the game today. He was hurt. Puka never has a normal injury. It's never like his ankle.

I feel like it's not a normal guy. It's like his like neck or abdomen or ears. Like it's always just like the weirdest thing. It's always like a glue. Puka missed time in the third quarter. Guts. Like it's never his hamstring. It's always like, puka, neck might not return.

He's like, what? So true. So true. The whole time you guys were talking about Devante Adams on the Rams, I just kept thinking, it's so funny how heartless and callous the Rams are. It reminds me of the toy story thing. You know, it was like throwing away Woody. It's like people forgot Cooper Cup ever existed on the Rams.

Like that's what I'm talking about. Like the Rams after getting the most that they could out of Jared Goff discarded him into the waste bin and decided they'd rather have someone better in Matt Stafford. Obviously, like you could look at the two trades and both sides have done a great on that trade. But they very callously just ditched Jerry Goff and went with Matt Stafford. And then this offseason, they just just jettisoned the former, you know, triples crowd winning Cooper Cup in favor of Devante Adams. and Devante Adams is living his best life right now. So I don't know. It's like,

does that make them villains or does that make them more likable? I'm not sure. They're like, ew. Cooper Cup's 32. No thanks. Bye. Yeah. I mean,

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Fart or shart? Do we have a drop? It's time for fart. Or shard. I tried to fart. I tried to fart. Do you think IKEA knows that we put that back to back with the IKEA thing? They should be so lucky.

Okay. Daniel. Stop asking me. Daniel. What? Listen up. Okay. We have not been, Romadunese.

Woe Madunese. Womudunze. We have not been seeing a lot of big time froes from Kewb to Wom lately. That's true. The bear scored 47 points today. Rome adunze had zero catches. That was bizarre. Absolutely bizarre.

Rome was the wide receiver three through the first month of the season. And I think everybody was like, wow, bears got a guy. Everybody was right. Last year was an aberration because the team was a mess. Rome is the guy who should have been taken a top top. Since the beginning of October, Rome Adunze is the wide receiver 58. He has 11 catches in the month of October and this week as well. 11 catches in his last four games.

What gives? Which month do I trust? September or October? Was it a fart or a shard the entire month of October? I think it's a fart. I think he's good. I'm not 100% sure, but I think he's a really good player.

And so therefore, he'll be fine. You think he's really good? Yeah. Why? But then what's been going on? He's dropping a lot of passes. People are talking about that. He's dropping passes and he's hurt.

He also should have had a touchdown today. He has a heel. injury, yes. Maybe he's one of those guys that just doesn't really, he can't play through injury as well as some other players. Maybe that's kind of the story on him. He scored 47 points. Last year he was

you know, obviously the top 10 picker. What was it? Where do you go? 10 or 11 or something like that. He was 9th because Ryan Poles, the GM for the Bears literally had to be restrained by Bears staff to not trade their fourth round or to move up a spot or two to get room of dudes. They were like, can you fucking wait?

we have like four picks in this entire draft. But he hurt his knee at the beginning of year, and then he was obviously very disappointing his rookie year, especially relative to some of the other guys in that receiver class. And so I don't know, maybe he just doesn't perform well when he's hurt. I'm not really sure what the deal is, to be honest. But like I would stand that by that. I think he's a good player.

I just, I don't know. I think it's worse. He's unselfish because while the Bears have to score 47 points, he was doing this menile grunt work like blocking and shit. Okay. So he's the opposite of AJ Brown essential. Yeah, exactly. He's just been farting for a month, but no need to go to the doctor.

Should we get that? Well, I mean, you know, maybe just lactate pills or something. I don't know. Lactate, getting touched. Don't know what you're doing. Reach out. Could be sponsoring this segment. We should have to be a badge next year's rankings.

We should have it be like unselfish for receivers, but it's like derogatory. Like the unselfish, we should know who actually are like good guys. Like Godwin, unselfish. Right. Horrific. Yeah. I only want the really selfish guys, though. I want the guys who are pissed.

Yeah, I want to yell for the ball. We should have selfish and unselfish. We should know. That should be a little tag on our ranking. If it didn't, didn't happen with just winning. Yeah. Godwin, like, had his wife like take to social media to lobby for him to get more targets, didn't he?

I don't know if Godwin's the best example, but. I don't remember that. Maybe I think, I think I'm thinking of the right guy. you know what we're not sure it sounds like you hate the godwin family no i love them because they're divas godwin i don't know is that true i don't remember that i'm gonna have to google it now okay she said something about todd bulls yeah like a couple years ago there we that's smart though by godwin because he's a team player then he goes home quietly complains to his wife and then he's like hey look if you want to post something that's fine

but i'm not going to through channels He's going through channels there. Okay, all right. So it's a big, it's a big fat, month-long fart for Roma Dunesay. I have one more for you, Dan. God. Just to be clear. Did you just call me Dan?

Yeah, I did. We didn't mention that Roma Dunesay had zero catches and Caleb Williams. His quarterback had two. Right. And Rome didn't even throw one of them. No. Sorry, keep going. Okay, next one, Daniel.

The Green Bay Packers, usually fart or shard is for a player in fantasy. I'm expanding it to an entire team. The Packers lost today to the Carolina Panthers. They're 16 to 13, while wearing their ode to 1923 leather helmet things. And it seems like they went a little too method with it because they looked like they were playing in 1923. It's at six points through 57 minutes. Daniel Day Lewis over here. Yeah.

The Packers have now lost to the Browns and the Panthers. What's up? Fartre Shart. Yes, this is Fartter Shart. And I'm talking about when I say Fartter Shart, I mean in terms of, do you think this team could win the Super Bowl? It feels more like a shirt to me because they just keep letting teams

that are not supposed to be hanging around, hang around. And that could be a fatal flaw. The two worst teams they played this season, they lost to. I don't think the Packers are a Super Bowl team. Like, there's something off with this team. There's everything about it. You can't quite put your finger on it. But like every single part of it,

the parts, the, the, The sum is just less than the, fuck. The hole is less than the sum of the parts. Like Jordan Love, just as a singular player, he's clearly so talented. With Jordan Love doesn't want to throw from a clean base and he starts trying to do cool shit, he just sucks.

Like Jordan Love trying to throw off his back foot and do Mahomes like stuff. Dude, the fourth quarter, the fourth down throw today was like one of the worst throws ever. The fourth down throw was genuinely one of, that was one of the worst. I've never seen a one play embarrassed two people and two different teams so thoroughly.

Yeah, the Panther guy. Like, somehow Jordan Love did one of the dumbest things I've seen from quarterback all year. And then the guy, the Panthers who dropped in. Oh, my God. That's the worst pass they've ever seen dropped in any context. Football, baseball, any of that. There was a moment when Love threw it,

the camera pans to the end zone, and the only guy in the frame is a Panthers guy. Only guy. It's not a bullet. He's so much time. Like, fielding a punt in the end zone. And it goes through his hands. And he dropped it.

And I'm like, that should have been the easiest. It probably was the easiest catch that guys had at any level of his entire life. The rare, I could have done that moment. Yes. Wasn't it actually better for their field position, though? No, because he should have scored a touchdown. Like, he could have gone the other 99 yards. We should do that at the end of the year, the rewatchables.

We should all get to pick one play a year. You're like, I could have done that. Yeah. We all get to pick one. That's actually really good. It's tough because I don't know how we have to log them as we go. Yes, we do. But this, that would be mine.

Even that one, like, that's harder to look. Because for real people, that is like 30 yards away. It's like any foot. football being thrown 40 yards. You're like, yeah, harder than you think for your normal fucking person. If you're wearing the gloves, though, man. The gloves are remarkably sticky. You just catch it your God.

Anyway, but the Packers, though, there's so many things that are just like, I know the Packers have injuries, you know, their offensive line is a perfectly healthy right now. You know what else offensive line is healthy? The Panthers, they had three backups on their offensive line. Somehow, this was the first game in Micah Parsons' career. We had zero pressures. I think the most damning stat in this whole discussion about the Packers is the Packers lost when Bryce Young went 11 for 20 for 102 yards in an interception.

They lost that game. It's like the Browns game. What happened here? If somebody was like, hey, the Panthers are going to score 16 points and Bryce Young's going to throw for 100 yards. How much of the Packers don't win by? The Packers 2. Shout out to Justice Mosquita at Acme Packing Co.

I mean, one, put it very well. Matt Lafleur was playing for field goals in a game where the kicker was hurt. But also noted the Packers were 13 and a half point favorites. It's the first time in the history of the Green Bay Packers, they've lost outright after being favored by like 13 points. Like they've been tracking this since 1970. Rob Demovsky at ESPN, that's that. Like they've been tracking this since 1970. It's the first time the Packers has been favored by this bunch who just lost the game.

And I just, they're just not obviously of talent. Obviously they could compete with anybody. The Packers play the Eagles next week. They could just beat the Eagles. but I just, I don't have faith in this team. They just, they just are less. They did not punt today and they scored 13 points. That is like impossible.

The way that Haifahs put it where there's something off about this team. Like that's just like to me the truest way to describe the situation. Something's off of these guys. I know. They run the ball a lot, but it doesn't feel like they're particularly great at running the ball. It just feels like they can't. It just, they honestly seem kind of like a mediocre office. Their most explosive receiver is Christian Watson, who's the guy who just got back from a terrible knee injury, is by far their best receiver.

Rameo Dubs, who somehow... He's good. Yeah. Well, it's the Guardian cap with the old, the old leather print. You know what? It should have just been leather. She's got in the leather cap. That would probably be way safer than the fucking Guardian cap.

You know what it reminded me of today? It has been bothering me for a long time. I just figured it out. Oh my God, I can't wait to talk to you guys about this. This is the Guardian Cap. It's a great thing. The Guardian Caps are good, and it's not 100% sure whether they help guys long-term with the concussions.

Anything that might help is good and should be destigmatized. However, they look like the book covers you would put on your textbooks in high school. And I just figured this out. Stretchy, elastic things. It's been bothering me. Yes, for two years. And it's like you'd have your chemistry textbook or your math textbook. I hated those.

This little cover over it to like a little, I don't even know what that is. Latex condom you put around your chemistry book. It's like a book condom. And that's what Robio, it looked like that so much today with the leather print of it. You could tell they didn't really get that much time to do that. It's like the Packers logo, they put a lot of time into it. This one was like, oh, that was a rush job.

I feel like they were also always like a sparkly blue. They were like neon colored and very stretchy. There was like pink ones and blue ones. There's like nothing ever normal. I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. The other thing is here that we're totally bearing the lead on is Tucker Kraft towards ACL. And that is a brutal hit for them.

He was like obviously one of their best offensive players. And Golden got hurt too. Yeah, they did lose a lot of guys during the game. I just like, but the Panthers are hurt too. But yes, Golden, but I mean, Tucker Craft obviously real life fantasy, everything. Tucker Kraft, I think Packers fans would say he's been their best player this season on office. For sure.

They're absolutely a breakout player. Was the number one tied end in fantasy entering this week. So that's brutal. I mean, we don't know for sure. But generally speaking, the hit rate on if they think you'd where he's ACL on Sunday is 98% heading into Monday. So hopefully this is the one. Oh, it's not official yet. Okay.

I, um, I, I went to look at the 1923 Packers because that's the homage that they were doing today with these, with these like fake leather helmets. And I wanted to see if there were any games where the 1923 Packers outscored the Packers today. There was. They, the last game of the season,

the Packers outscored the Hammond Pros, 19 to zero. And they won the game. The Hammond Pros. The Hammond Pros. And I went and looked at, I looked at the roster of the 1923 Packers. Yeah. It's an all-time list.

Yes. Yes. Here are some of the players on the 1923 Green Bay Packers. Okay. Cub Buck. I could just stop there. Cub Buck. Oh my God.

I love it. And I think he's done up only by the next player on this list, Jug Earp. No. Cub and jug. Cub fucking Jug Earp. Cubbuck and Jug Earp. Cubbuck and Jug Earp.

Was Jug Earp related to Wyatt? Jug Earp. Jug. Jug. Urp. What are we doing? I love that. There are.

We have Norbert Hayes. We have Dewey Lyle. We have Jab Murray. Jab Murray and Dewey Lyle. Jab, Jug, and Cub. We have Mertch. Mert. We have Mert basing.

Mert. Mert. We have Cowboy Wheeler and we have Whitey Wooden. Did you say Cowboy Wheeler? Whitey Wooden. Cowboy Wheeler. There's also a guy on this list whose name is just Kenyon. Like a one name.

He's just got one name. A mononym. It's the craziest list of me. We got Cub, Jug, Jab. These are like workplace platforms. Come, Jug, Jab, Mert. We should do play around the 1920s. backers or workplace platform sold for a billion dollars this week.

We got Buck Gavin. Like, we got Dewey. I mean, this is unbelievable. Jamf and Jug. I feel like Stefan, like making up restaurants on weekend update. Jug Earp. Cub Buck. New York Todd's club is Dewey.

Like, what's going on? E-mail us. Amos gardener? I forgot Moose gardener. Moose? You forgot moose. I forgot moose. Dude, it's wild.

Wow. Shout up to the next. 1923 Packers. Would you rather be named Cub Buck or Jug Earp? Cub Buck. I'd go Jug. Jug is cool. Jug is incredible.

Jug. Oh, my God. It's so funny. He, uh, let's see. He was born in 1897. His photo looks like Cub Buck. Right. Oh, I'm talking about Jugrb.

Oh, sorry. I'm going to send a photo Cub Buck. And this man, this man, oh God. That guy looks like a jug. Cubs does look like a jug. Please, my father was jug. Call me Cub.

Father was bear. This is Jugg. I just sent you a picture. He looks pretty normal. They also look like 20 years apart. Yeah, he looks like he's like 45. Chuck looks like the coach. Chuck looks like Cubs there.

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a game. His body language is not great. It hasn't been great for a while. I feel like that doesn't really jive well with Pete Carroll. I know. Well, all about that, right? Composure. I don't know. I guess Pete's odd head, though. He's competitive. He likes people who are competitive. He was, he was yelling at the ref today. And he was chewing gum. at such a clip. I couldn't believe he was talking and chewing that fast at the same time. It was unbelievable. It's voracious.

I feel like when Pete Carroll, I feel like he started this thing of, maybe he didn't start it, but the coaches the like Ben they have where like every play Pete Carroll kind of has his like Zan and he sits. Hands on his knees. And I feel like when he did it when he was younger, it felt like, oh, this guy is like does yoga when he's good.

And now I'm like, he kind of just looks old when he does. He just can't stand for three. hours. He actually needs to do it now. De Niro, when they deaged him and the Irishman, where it was like, you look young, but the movements are old. Totally.

He's trundling around. You don't have any wrinkles, but you can't bend over. He's like beating up the store, the store owner guy. It's a tough scene. This is an old man. Like, what are we doing here? Craig, any intrusive thoughts?

He can't bend over. I don't think the two point conversion should be worth two points in fantasy. That's stupid. It does feel like a lot. Because when a quarterback throws a touchdown, they only get four points in fantasy,

even though it's worth six points in real life. But then when they throw an extra point, they get the same amount of points that it's worth in real life. Oh, for quarterback. Yes. I get the guy catching it. The quarterback, like,

I was going against Bo Necks today, who had a bad game. I was like rooting for him to fail. They score one touchdown. He throws an extra point, gets two points. I'm like, that's so stupid. So I agree.

He should get one. in that the quarterback gets four, but I actually think fantasy should go back. I think quarterback should get six points for touchdowns. Well, that's fine because then the ratio was even. But the way it is right, now it's off. And then two doesn't make any sense. It should be you get six points for the passing touchdown

and two for the two-point conversion. Or just call it four and one. And one, yeah. But the answer was, I think the answer of why is that, frankly, the rules of fantasy and all the default scoring is just long enough ago that it's before it was really fractional.

Like, it wasn't that, long ago, like even 10, 12 years ago, like, which isn't that like 20, 13, 14, whatever, like, where there was still a lot of fantasy. It wasn't really the default to have the point. Like, it was kind of just, your fantasy score is 90 to 88. Yeah, yeah. And he used to be a big deal. Like, if your guy had 89 yards, he still only had eight points and you were, right,

he needed that extra yard. Yeah. So I think part of it's, they're like, we're not going to like, what are we, like, the, I don't know, the ratio is like, yeah, we're going to give them like one point for two point version. It didn't happen enough for them to, like, it just was a, two points. It's like, teams are going for two so much. more now, it's weird that they get half the points of a passing touchdown for a two-point conversion.

It's also strange that I think every time I look at this, I'm like, that can't be right. It doesn't count as a catch. No, it doesn't. Which is such a funny quirk. Which is also stupid. It doesn't make, no, it's like you catch the key. I don't. I think it's because it's the official, I think it's all the statistics are downstreet the

official. The playlike doesn't exist. Yes, it's kind of, it's actually, you know what it is. It's probably most similar to what the NBA just did where they, just remove the heaves, like the end of half heaves from like, which is so lame. Dude, it's so fucking lame.

That's the most like snowball bullshit. It is such snow bullshit. Like, sorry you don't like, so they don't like mess up their field goal percentage? Players don't want to get stuck with the ball. That is stupid. That is stupid. Okay.

So they've decided that, which I get because over Fiergency. Well, it's one of those like the best shooter probably gets the ball at the end of every, you know, let's say you get at the end of a quarter. whatever, however many times. If you miss, you're going to miss all of them.

If you miss 16 threes over the course of a season, maybe it drops it, it's that going to cost you a million dollars down the line. Having said that, the league capitulating and be like, fine, we'll take them out of the stats if you'll shoot it more. I'm like, please. But it's an on time down, I guess. It's not really a play.

But yeah, it doesn't count as a catch. Yeah, that's weird to me. Don't get the yards either. So, like, if somebody this year, if Jackson Smith and Jigba ties the record for catches in a season, but he also has three two-point conversions, That doesn't count. He doesn't...

You don't factor that in. I never thought about that, but yeah. Yeah. That's very weird. I've had that exact same thought, though, Craig, before, where I'm like, the two-point conversion for a quarterback feels like a lot relative to their touchdown. Yeah.

We should go to... Fantasy scoring, I do think it should be fixed. Super Flex league should be the default. Play with two quarterbacks. The quarterback should get six points for a passing touchdown. And you should get half point per first down for rushing or receiving. in addition to half PPR.

Yeah, we do that in my home league. We do a half point per first time. Any other intrusive thoughts? I already did mine with the Joe Burrow thing, which I don't believe, but it makes you go hmm a little bit. Hmm. Interesting. That's what it makes you do.

Okay. All right. Yeah. Well put. It makes me go, hmm. Things that make you go, hmm. Okay. You know?

Yeah. Well, let's change the name of the category from intrusive thoughts to things that make you go, hmm. Yeah, yeah. That was like my Packers thing today. It was just like, there's something off about this team. Yeah. Okay. Play of the day, I mentioned it.

Dude, hard to beat the Drake London fourth and goal to tie the game. I mean, Cam Little set the field goal record 68 yards today for the Jags. Oh, that was my intrusive thought. But he did 70 in the preseason. Was totally underwhelmed by that. I'm like, this isn't the furthest kick this guy. I've watched this guy make this year. He made a longer one two months ago.

Yeah, but we can't start counting preseason stats. For that specific thing, we can. For the field goals? For the field goals. For nothing else, it should matter. Field goal is a field goal. If anything, it's harder because all the backups are actually trying. There's no stakes.

Stakes are make the fucking team. Start having spring practices and keeping stats on that. I will say, though, the kicking. It's a slippery slope. I don't actually believe this strongly. I'm just like, I decided to go this way. It's good for the pod. I'm like, you know what?

We're not counting preseason stats. I'm done with that. I will say, though, I know I've talked to this a lot, but we just need to, we need to just acknowledge we're in the juice bowl era. Like the kicking balls, their juice, like this is insane. It's fine. I think we'll figure out if we like it or not.

Like, we just got to live in this for a year or two and decide if we like this product. it is weird though like it's just weird it's just weird that kickers can make stuff from 70 I think the NFL's going to change the rules very soon about kickoffs

like where we the like the field position is going to have to change because it's too easy to get into field goal right well I do think it was really interesting a week ago back in my day when the Colts were wagging to hear Shane Stike in describing about why he wanted to accept the ball first and he's like well we're good

on offense and based on his point was it's not the same as it used to be to just use like you actually want to limit kickoff so you're like I don't like the idea that damn like have touchbacks at the 35 now and it's like the combo of pushing the kick the touchback to the 35 with the kick the kicking ball rule now extending field go range to 40 shame's example is they need 15 yards to reach field range so if you kind of get three points on your first drive then just going to get like but then you have to kick off they're kind of 15 yards away from getting three points back which is added so if you

More to the value getting touchdown. It's really interesting. If you're punting, too, it's much easier to pin the other team back. Because the punters are better too. Which I haven't done a good enough job talking about. The punters are better too. It's not just the kickers. The punters are better pinning it and getting field position they've been.

The kickers and punters are influence to the game more than ever, which is just, I'm not saying it's bad, but it's just weird. I think we need to get people angry about this. And I think the way to do that is you have to rebut. brand. It's not, kicking balls is dumb. It's torpedo balls. That's what they are. Oh, the torpedo balls. That's good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they are what they are.

And also, it's torpedo balls, but also field goals are participation trophies now. It's, the field goals just participation trophies. Everyone gets a fucking field goal. You're going to get field? Oh, you mean, you met a 10 yards? Extra point to tie the game. Well, it's just, but it's true. Yeah, that's true. The

Salkins guy missed an extra point. But that's funny that all the kickers either can, 10 teams have guys that can make it from 70 yards, and then five teams don't have a guy that can make an extra point to win a game. However, it's just weird that it's scoring drives? Isn't that the analogy for baseball instead of the torpedo bat?

It's just juiced balls. I mean, that's funny to say, so yeah, juiced balls is good. The torpedo balls are juiced. Torpedo balls, yeah, maybe we just combine the two. Yeah. I just, like, I'm, we can kick field goals further than ever, and I've never felt less about field goals.

Like, I'm just completely dead inside about field goals. They don't move me at all. The oldest I feel watching football is like, back in my day, when someone attempted a field goal from 60 plus, they'd cut to it live because it was such a big deal. They would change the game and be like, look at this. Can you believe they're trying a field goal from 60? There were four 60-yard field goals made in the 20th century.

And the 70, and I'm like, we waited an hour and a half to even talk about a 70-year-old field. You used to have to go to the woods to find porn. Now it's just open your phone. It's everywhere. It's not fun anymore. It's not fun anymore. Don't even talk about it. No.

Not having a good time. Speaking of porn, I will say Rico Doudal played the day. Rico Doudel did a touchdown celebration. He did the key and peel. He did the two pumps and then stopped at the two pump for the celebration. Because then it's not sexual. Yeah. Which is funny because it's like somehow the key and peel identified some actual nameless aspect of the NFL rulebook where I kind of do think of RICO doubtle did three pumps.

He would get flag, but he did the two and he just isn't. flagged. The pump rule. Pump rule. The Colston Leveland touchdown was sick. Probably was to play the day since Drake London and the Falcons lost the game. Oh, Dowdow was flagged. Was he?

That's what Austin just texted us. Oh, God. He should have got the third pump in. Just puritans out here. Let him do some pumps. It's so sick that's let him pump, man. Let him fucking pump a little. Who cares?

Too pump. I know. What is this soft? Ronald Reagan ass. When I was growing up, everyone was saying suck it to everyone else. Yeah. Doing the

suck it. The triple H. Bam. Triple X. When you go on a triple X. DeGate called him triple X. Whatever. Degeneration X.

We got so many emails about that being like, I can't believe he'd called triple H, triple X. He's doing an X and his name is triple and triple X is a movie. I mean, look, I understand I made an egregious mistake, but also I don't watch wrestling, so sorry. I do a lot. I did do a lot of suck it gesticulating back in the day. interesting. Maybe we'll save that for power hour.

Colston Loveland is probably the winner for play of the day. Oh yeah, he picked that. He like pinballed off of three guys and then scored a 50-yard game when a touchdown. Pretty sick. Worst play of the day and then we'll get to some announcer stuff. Worst play of the day, it has to be the falcons kicker missing the extra point. It's always the kicker. To tie the extra point. It's always that. Fucking kickers. It's pretty incredible.

I feel like once a week we text that. Even with the torpedo ball, he's missing. It's like, come on. I will say, though, the Jordan Love, fourth in Scream. to what should have been the stupidest-looking interception of the entire year, and then the guy just dropped the easiest ball I've ever seen. Any other coaching decision? Or any of the worst play of the day? No.

I mean, the only other one I had was that Cincinnati challenged a play. Oh, my God. Where DJ Moore was trying to score on a reverse, and they tried to – and the ball kind of came out of his hands and, like, flew into the end zone. So the Bengals challenged trying to prove that it was a touchback, and that it was the Bengals ball. But the current call on the field was that like he was out of bounds at the one. Yeah. The challenge, they ended up noticing in the while reviewing the tape that he actually scored a touchdown.

And they just gave the Bears a touchdown. Talk about your all-time backfires. This is like the Sun Tzu thing, Hyphitz that you said, never interrupt your opponent when he's in the middle of making a mistake. Like the Bears were about to run another play. It didn't look like they were going to challenge this. Dude. They were lined up. It looked like they were trying to go quickly.

And then the Bengals threw a freaking challenge flag. They were like, no, hold. on. He might have got in there. Let's let them take a closer look. Idiot. What an idiot? Idiot. Hey, honey, take a picture. That's like Lee Harvey Oswald being like, hey, check out this is a Pruder film.

It reminds me, I still have it memory hold or whatever just in my brain. There was a playback, I don't know what it was, like 10 years ago or something, where Pete Carroll and the Seahawks had stopped the Rams. on like a third and short and they were lighting up to punt and Pete Carroll fucking called time out. And then the Rams decided to go for it and they won the fucking game on that play.

And I wanted to ring Carol's neck for that. I'm like, you just gave them the opportunity to be brave. Why did you call time out? You fucking idiot. I was like, I've never been more mad of watching a football game at that moment. I don't remember the exact details,

but I'm pretty sure they lost the game because of that play. announcers Tom Brady Magic Johnson tweets any Tom Brady or any other announcer stuff from this week anyone they caught your eye Tom Brady has numerical numbers or he has numbers for different types of throws

and he talks about this incessantly on the broadcast today one throw is a laser it's like a like a fastball you're just throwing it as hard as you can in there a two throw is a layered throw so a little touch like over the defender you're layering it over the lineback or whatever

A three throw, which sounds like you're not, that's not the right way to say it, is a rainbow that the wide receiver can run under. And he talked about the one throw and the two throw and the three throw. I don't know, probably like 10 or 15 times today. I've never heard anyone talk about this before. I thought it was kind of fascinating and it was like kind of cool to as an illustrative way to talk about. Because I think he was talking about J.J. McCarthy and he's all fastballs and he needs to learn

how to layer the passes a little bit more and blah, blah, blah. But I'm like, I just had never heard of this before. and I don't think Brady's ever said it before, at least not that I've heard. The game clinching pass to Naylor, he was like, oh, that was a two throw. He kept bringing it up, like every five minutes. It was like he mentioned that over the weekend

and somebody's like, that's good. You should do that on the broadcast. And he was like, yeah, I should. People will love that. And then that was the only thing he talked about. This leads me to another question, which is, what do you think, Tom Brady, what's the craziest thing you could say

about football really confidently they could get away with, where you'd be like, I'm sure that must be a thing since Tom Brady said it like eight times. Like could he grade how sweaty the center's asses and be like, yeah. You know, it's funny. That's where my head was going. That's a thing.

That's a thing. He's like, oh, yeah, that's a four swamp from Robert Hainesie there. Yeah, they're going to have to swap that. Yeah, that's some Jacksonville classic.

What if he was like sometimes, you know, for certain players, you know, you don't need smelling salts if the ass of the center in front of you smells bad enough. You can just do that. Sometimes that's enough.

Oh. It's like, there's like famous centers. It's like, Oh, Jason Kelsey, you don't want to be under center of Jason Kelsey. Dude, he had this whole thing where someone was like, do you wash your belly button? Jason Kelsey was like, what? No.

Do you guys, I've had a long debate about this with my friends. Do you guys wash your like your forearms or your shins? Yeah. As much as you would wash other parts of your body. Do you make a concerted effort to like scrub your shins or your forearms? Like scrub, no. Or you just like this. Or do you just kind of let the soap kind of fall down?

Maybe one wipe. That's it. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's certainly not scrubbing the shins in forearms. Like I would say that I would, it's not like, I definitely not doing that every day, but it's not like never. So I would say, you know, the forearms get probably once a week. I'll conceal who had this take, but somebody had the take that like they don't wash their legs. You definitely could get away with it.

And it was just like, people, they were confused. they're like, oh, people, you're like washing your legs? Or you just, I just let the soap run down. It's like, sure, you can wash your feet. Obviously, you're watching, like, you know, the parts that really sweat. But it's like your legs. You need to wash your legs. You know, you're like.

You should definitely do it, but I do think, I do think a lot of people just don't do it. A lot of men. Yeah. It's like, sure, if you ran, if you ran a marathon, you're probably, you know, scrubbing everything. But if you just had a normal day, are you really washing your legs? I like it. Are you really washing your legs? Like an idiot?

I think the short answer is if I was at the gym, yeah, and if I'm having a norm, if I'm waking up out of bed and I'm just like, like, probably not. Yeah. I think, Jason Kelsey had a whole thing about showering, right? About like how often. Yeah, he's like, washing my feet is like, that's what the floor is for.

Yeah. It's a soap. It's a step in the soapy water. No, you got to wash the feet in the shower. You got to wash them. It's a little day. No, that is a good point. Like, if you do that over the course of your life,

eventually you will fall. You know, they need, you know in golf, there's that little thing that you can scrape the dirt off your golf shoe with? They need something like that in the shower where you can like put your foot on it. Wait, that's a great idea. A million dollar idea, Craig.

So you don't have to bend over. How do you not get it moldy? The foot catty. I don't know how you get it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure we can figure that out. I think it's true of Craig's Christmas gifts. Talking of showering, it reminds me that like, at least for me, everything in the shower is very much very routine oriented, right?

Like you do the, you do the shower in almost the exact same routine, or at least I do, as they do every other day. Have you ever tried drying off in a different, like, order than what you normally do? It is incredibly taxing on your brain. It's like, I do it exactly. I've started to realize this. I do my dry off exactly the same way every single time for the past, like, whatever, it's almost 40 years.

Difficult to not do it the way you always do. Yeah, it's like muscle memory. Yeah. It's like putting your pants on with the wrong leg first. or whatever. So just try it. Or wiping your ass with the wrong hand, which feels completely alien. Yeah. Do you put your pants on the same way every time?

Yeah. Oh, I don't know. Wait, oh, I don't know. For sure. For sure. Do you put your pants on first or your socks? Pants. Pants. Pants. You put your socks on first? Your socks on first.

Yeah, I do. I think I put on my socks first because to me, when you already have your pants on, it's more, it's harder to get your socks. And it's like, and you've got to, like, sit down while you're in jeans. or sometimes if you have high socks, you've got to, like, pull the jeans up to get the socks on it and then put the jeans back down over the socks. To me, if you just put the socks on first, then it's easy.

You can't just go right over it. This explanation is hilarious. I don't, there's nothing wrong with doing it that way, but it's so foreign to me. So we just had to literally last night before we went out, Liz was like, it's weird you put your socks on first. She was like, that must be a guy thing. Nope.

No, it's not for me. No, it's not. Let's do a poll on this. Yeah, let's do it. Do you put, yeah, let's do a poll. Do you put your pants on first? I don't like putting my socks on after I already have my pants on. Well, here's the question that will color your socks.

What? What if you put your socks on? Like, do you know what outfit you already want to wear? I just wear white socks usually. But what if, even if you wear like black shoes and like light pants? Or black, I guess you're not, I don't know, darker shoes are saying that don't go white so. What does the color have to do with? Well, here's, well, this is where I'm going as well with this.

I am 30. I don't know you just trying to visualize, you know. I feel. Just kind of be a part of your. life. I feel that I'm completely, I feel like I still have no idea how to wear socks, like in society. Like, I feel like I'm so underprepared. I am, like, I have the bare minimum. I feel that there are all these rules around socks that I still don't understand. You could just follow your heart on that. What do you mean? The idea that like, like, you're

supposed to just like, there's like eras where it's like, you have to wear socks either so high, you don't show any ankle, or like you have to show so much ankle that it's like you're not wearing socks. Even though if you weren't wearing socks, it's like kind of crazy. And, like, I just, there's all these rules around socks. Well, I think what you're describing is just, like, the trends of fashion that, you know, things come and go. Now, like, the low ankle sock, which used to be the grossest thing you could wear is now kind of back. And now the low socks is cool again. It's back?

Yeah, like, my dad, my dad in like 2002 taking me on, like, a camping trip would wear, like, new balances with like a low ankle sock. And now that is just completely cool again. I feel like I have gotten all my sock advice from a mishmash. of people from different eras of sock rules and I have no sense Are you seeking a lot of sock counsel from people? No, I need so.

Who's your sock? I knew now. If someone could fucking email me at ringer fantasy football, gmail.com and tell me to fucking wear socks I feel like I have all these conflicting socks principles. Is there really that many rules?

Dude, I don't know how to wear socks. I don't know. Just like, I just feel like I'm lost. All right. Well, I think I can help you. I think I know how to wear socks. So you could just wear white socks every day and that's fine.

because I was told that's not okay. So I bought all these other kinds of socks. Who told you that? What other kinds are there? I don't know. This is what I'm fucking trying to talk to you guys about. Someone told me a while ago you can't just wear white socks all the time. What are you got blue shoes or black shoes or something?

Apparently you can't wear white socks with black shoes. No, you can't wear white socks with black shoes. You can. That one looks a little bit more stark, the contract. What about dark blue? Where does it end? It depends on the outfit. If you're wearing like...

So that's not what you said before. But it's like, I don't know. It's common. It's common sense. It's like if you're wearing like dark dress shoes in a suit, you're probably not going to wear white socks. But if you're wearing blue sneakers and blue jeans, you can wear white socks. Great example.

Dark dress shoes and a suit. What colors a suit? Dark blue? Sure. What color of socks you go? You can wear a lot of different colors. It has to be like, it just can't be white. But I think you can get away with anything.

Can't be white. But can you wear black socks with dark blue suit if it's brown shoes? No, you don't do black socks and brown shoes. So what fucking color socks do I win? with blue suit and brown shoes. That should be a simple thing. But it's not white and black, but those are the socks I have, Craig.

That's less sock dependent, though. What you're really just talking about is like matching colors. No, but the socks is the hard part. I mean, yes, but the socks is like, how many socks do you have? Like, there are rules, right? It's like, you don't wear brown shoes with a black suit. Like, there are just rules.

To DK's point, yes, you can Google it, but then you're a fucking idiot, Googling what color socks do I wear? No, who cares? I'm tired of this. You're talking about it on a podcast now. God. You can't have just Google it and no one would have known.

I do Google it. Now millions of people know that you don't know how to work stuff. I don't give a shit. I need help. Email me. Anyway. Help me Tom Cruise. Help me, Tom Cruise.

Help me Oprah. Help me Oprah. Oprah, Winfrey. Man. Craig puts the socks on first. That blows me away. Yeah, do that. I prefer it.

But that was the point I was trying to make you. Do you know your outfit? Also, just try mix it up tomorrow. in terms of how you dry off. There are sometimes where I'll forget, I'll have the pants on already, and I'm like, oh, I got to put socks on. I'm not going to take my pants off to put the socks on. But when I'm like out of the shower and then I'm getting ready,

I think I do sock first. You know how like in Fight Club they have the thing where they have an assignment every day? Here's my assignment to you guys. Dry off, dry off in a different order. I like that. We're going to check. It'll fucking blow your mind.

That's good. It's going to feel weird. All right, stadium pulse of the week. My stadium pulse is just putting on socks. Craig, what's your stadium pulse of the week? week. This is just my excuse to talk about the Dodgers game last night. Because my stadium pulse is Yamamoto coming into pitch

in the bottom of the ninth in game seven after throwing 96 pitches the day before. And pitching two and two-thirds inning scoreless. But I, so I went out to a bar. I went to Big Deans, which is like the best sports bar in L.A. I knew you were at Big Deans on the Instagram story. I almost texted you if you were at Big Dines.

It's like, that's my favorite sports bar. Where's Big Deans? It's under the pier in Santa Monica. It's a great bar. It's kind of tucked away. I think it's the best sports bar. But anyway, I I just, I thought that was, I think the best baseball game I've ever watched. I know everyone always says that and it's like, well, actually, game six of 2012. For me, that was the best baseball game I've ever watched. And I think it was also the best sports bar experience I've ever watched.

Being surrounded by all these Dodger fans in LA, Liz is a Dodger fan. Her old family, big Dodger fan. So I'm like kind of getting sucked in a little bit. Like I'm like definitely rooting for the Dodgers because I know a lot of Dodger fans. But because I'm an A's fan and all my friends. from the Bay are going to fucking hate me because they're all giant fans, but like, I'm kind of like, this is fun. I'm having fun. The Dodgers have absolutely replaced the Yankees at the early 2000s. It's like everyone hates the Dodgers. Like everyone wasn't a Dodgers fan was rooting against the

Dodgers for this because like the hatred of like the killing of the sport of everything. I get it. I get it. You're the only person that I think has the ticket to being a Dodgers fan because you live in L.A. and the A's spat in the face of everyone. Like I'm not going to become a Dodgers fan, but I am going to probably, I'm going to root for them. So, okay. Well, That's kind of sounds similar. I do think it is interesting, though, from my point of view, because the Mariners lost in game seven to the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays took it to Game 7 in the World Series and, like, transitive property.

I'm like, so the Mariners maybe could have won the World Series, like, that drives me insane. But when you're picking who to root for when your team is out, I think that's kind of an interesting thing. Who are you rooting for, Dekka? Before I say anything, I was rooting for the Dodgers. And I didn't have, like, a specific reason for it. It was just like, like, it's like my gut feeling. But the Yankees lost to the Blue Jays. and the mayor has lost to the Blue Jays.

And I was like, I'm not rooting for the Blue Jays. And they're like, oh, you're going to root for the evil empire thing? I'm like, yeah, they didn't beat this this year. I'm like, you know, I can't root for the team that eliminated me. But it's like, I don't actually have like any ill will towards Blue Jays. I'm just, I don't know, for whatever reason. I was. I don't know what it was.

But I literally went into this being like all my friends, all my group tax, everyone's like, we want the Blue Jays to win. And I kind of told myself, okay. And then I just, I watched game one. And I just, I let my body speak to me. and it was just like, for some reason, I felt myself wanting the Dodgers to score. Sometimes you just know, like, you,

while you're watching the game, like sometimes like who you're ready for. I'll figure it out. And so, but I do want to talk about that game. That game, that was the most unbelievable game ever seen my life. The play when the guys ran into each other at the warning track and still

pies and he was like, oh my God. Oh my God. I think that was the big, I think that was the worst error. Like, KK running it, I don't know exactly what goes, but generally speaking in baseball, If the center fielder calls you off, like you're off.

Like the center fielder gets total dominance. But he had to, Pyes had to run so much further than Keeke. Whatever the commute. And I know he had just entered the game for the center fielder. However, that to me is the worst error in the history of baseball. And he happened to catch the fucking ball. It's crazy. But if Kiki, imagine if Pai, again, I get how it happens because Pyes came so far away to get it,

but he's the center fielder. And if he's calling for it, or maybe he's coming so far when he's not calling for it, whatever. if they if kick aaron an an is had ran into him hard enough and he hadn't caught the ball that would have been the most mean thing ever that would have been yeah the worst error in the history of baseball i mean it was hadn't caught like bill buckner it was based it was based it would have replaced bill buckner it was bases loaded with two outs in the bottom of the ninth that that yes like seven there were a lot of incredible plays but the context of all of them made them all timers like there was like the Miguel rojas home run in the ninth that was crazy

He hadn't had a hit in like a month. Dude, it's so funny, too, that the Dodgers, the whole thing is, well, their payroll, they have all these MVPs, they just spent their way. And that fucking Rojas is the guy that actually goes and hits the home run to save the... Of course, ninth in the lineup, right? And everyone's like, oh, if you give up a hit to him, like, Shohay's, like, that's what matters.

Like, you got to get Shohay out. And Rojas, no big deal. And he cranks a homer. And then, I mean, the Big Dien's going absolutely fucking crazy. He hadn't had a hit in a month. And the Joe Davis, he, he, just had the most genuine. He just screamed no way after he hit the Homer. I sent it to Carlos. I want to play the clip of Joe Davis yelling, no way. I don't know why I just jumped out to me.

I've watched it 10 times. Drilled the left field and... It's just so good. It's so good. No, why? It's so authentic. I was watching this. So I was at a wedding this week and shout out my friend Mike who, this is the bachelor party where I pulled my hamstring. So shout out to my friend Mike who got married this weekend. We were in Charleston. And after the wedding, we showed up.

And I think the after party, probably the eighth inning, the seventh inning, we're honestly like right when the game got really good. We show up in the seventh inning. And everyone really likes baseball in this group. But then the scene is kind of set. Everyone kind of like locks in. And we were all watching. And frankly, everyone was rooting for the Blue Jays in this group.

I kind of was secretly rooting for the Dodgers because I'm mad. But everyone really wanted the Dodgers to lose, which I think most people did. But I was mostly just, one, I can't believe Yamamoto came in and, like, I didn't know it was physiologically possible once you've thrown 100 pitches in a baseball game to the next day, just come in and throw another 60,

like actually hit 100 miles an hour. Yeah. Like I know you could pitch in two days rest or whatever, but I didn't know you could pitch 100 miles an hour that, like, just, I didn't know you could do it. that at that. Dude, that was wild.

Yeah, and all his pitches were basically just as good as they were the night before. And, dude, this was almost, this was basically the second time he had done this. Like, game two, he pitches a complete game. And then game three is the 18-day game. He warms up. It was crazy. He deserved it. I will say, though, I feel like that we're burying the lead, though.

The play of the game that will, the pitcher that will be preserved forever is the picture of Will Smith, the catcher, not the guy. Like, catch, like his foot on the plate. Oh my God. So close. Yeah, it's Keener Filafel like the, yeah, he's name's harder pronounced. The Yankees Finns just called him IKF back of the day. I have no idea how he batted cleanup for the Blue Jays at any point in the series.

But he's like sliding in. And how far is he off from scoring the game when he run to the World Series? Like two inches? And the combination of everything of one, sliding in with his legs instead head first, which is like, you know, baseball 101. I know there's big studies or whatever to say it's faster. It doesn't fucking matter. Or you just run.

through it. No, well, you got to slide, but the other thing is he had no lead off third. I get there's a thing where Muncie's playing closer to thirds. If you hit a line drive, you catch you get doubled up. Doesn't fucking matter. He had no lead off third. He said in an interview, he did that deliberately. He was like, I was told by my coaches to stay close to third in case months he doubled me up. Well, that was fucking wrong and stupid clearly because if he had been one, literally 12 inches closer, the Blue Jays would have won the World Series. Well, I think that hyphen, that is, and this is going to be so brutal for Jay's fans because there was so many moments in the series that they just could have had it.

It was insane that they didn't win. It was insane. It was miraculous that the Dodgers won. Even the Wedgy in the game before, which saved the, which really helped the Dodgers, that would have been a run scored in the ninth. And you don't know where things would have gone after that. It was. There's so many what-ifs.

It's just, it's absolutely brutal from a sports perspective. Like, that is one of the most devastating ways to lose. I totally agree. And it's like, I know that he could. get doubled up a third. But that I'm not a baseball expert. That doesn't mean, I don't understand how that correlates to having to be

that close to the bag as he was. I don't really understand that. It sounds like though he was just doing what he was told. Like he did that wasn't a gut call. Yeah. I know, no, I totally. And like that, I mean, he just got something to the game because Boba Shet, they were like, he can't fucking run. He can't be, I mean, he's not. Dude, there was, there was like eight different plays

that all came down to like an inch in the final four endings. It was I mean, there was a Kiki, like, grounded of the pitcher and Vlad like kind of missed the base and like he almost made it. I mean there was so many. It was wild. I mean there was a yeah there was a Freddie replay. I

will say though that ninth that and also Will Smith's foot coming off home plate and getting back onto home plate and I'm watching the replay and you know my feeling about replay generally speaking which is the NFL standard at least is clear and obvious and if you have to watch it six

fucking times it's not so clear or not so obvious is it and it's a little different though in baseball when it's like yeah so like the whole championship's on the line like it's just crazy to like be micromanaging like will smith's foot when does it drop on the plate and they're it just it was it was i think genuinely the best sports viewing experience i've ever had yeah Craig you you texted this to me too like playoff baseball it's better than anything it's not even close so i mean i get an adrenaline headache after every game just watching it because it is so intense every single pitch matters

every single pitch is just, and the the precision that they have to have on so many of these plays is incredible. I'm so impressed by baseball players in general because it's just such a hard sport to play. Hyphids and I talk a lot. Hyphids, you and I talk about like the Ilam ending and how basketball would be improved if there was an eel ending. They're basically a target score you need to reach. That way you can't just like the whole fouling thing would go away.

Just basketball should end with the basket, not a series of fouls. I saw somebody tweet this yesterday. And I never really thought about it this way, but baseball is the only sport where you can't run out the clock. And so it's like, it's just even. Like everybody, it's 27 up, 27 down. And it's so, in football, it's like, oh, the Seahawks were up 30. Like you run the ball, like run out the clock, blah, blah. Baseball, it's like in the same amount of people got to have to hit no matter what.

Right. And it's so cool because it's got to get through them all. It is essentially kind of like the Elam ending where it is always going to be the same. And the end of the game is always the best part when it's a close game. basketball when it's a close game sometimes the end sucks because it slows down the pacing changes fouls become a huge factor baseball is the exact opposite everything just becomes so much more electric and the thing about playoff baseball that that has aged well is that i think shout up to my friend zuck who pointed this out to me i think he's not invented this but mark

yeah yeah yeah right between him uh training mark the uc black belts yeah yeah shout out so as mark zuckerberg my dear friend once told me um Baseball is obviously longer and it's a whole, it's frankly just more of a commitment. But the payoff, it's a lot, baseball is a lot more like reading a book because there are so, the people,

the characters, you spend so much more time with these people, there's so much more, frankly just, I guess data, for lack of better term, there's so much more history. It's like the difference

in watching Game of Thrones or reading the books or whatever where you have so much more history with these characters. And somehow, some way during a baseball season, all of it comes back around and pays off during like these World Series runs.

And when you actually get, see your team make a playoff run, all of it somehow comes back the good and the bad, the guy who can't field fucking can't field or the guy who does this like these little moments like everything comes back around in these incredible ways that you somehow see coming but also

never expect and totally and so there is such a and I really do think so because baseball watching it coming to the playoff baseball it's kind of like watching Game of Thrones where you're like damn this TV show's sick but the people were there the whole time the emotional experience is a lot more like finishing the best

book you've ever seen and so it just And I think that's why baseball fans who love baseball are so addicted to baseball. Is there because there's nothing quite like seeing a playoff run for some team. You spent 162 games with. Yeah, like Liz, my wife is not a huge sports fan. She, you know, she's, but this this Dodger series, her brothers are like die hard baseball fan, die hard Dodger fans. And she now, this series completely chancing.

She watched the whole 18 inning game like alone, basically. Just watched the whole game and is now so invested in it. And now she's like getting all into it, which I think is awesome. But Haifitz, I think one thing that baseball does that's cool is like, even though the game is the same length as a football game close enough or whatever, what baseball does is like, Miguel Rojas could be up to bat for like a minute or two. And the announcers then have time to like tell you about them. Yes. And there's like, it's a three two count. He's found off a couple.

It's like, so he's like seen 10 pitches. And if that, you know, that happens a few times over the course of the game, there are these baked in moments to build the narrative of the game. And football, it's like some random player catches a pass. It's like, you have like 10 seconds to be like, oh, he was a fifth round rookie out of Kansas State. And then you don't even know what he looks like and then he's on the bench before the next play starts. And it's like baseball,

you can kind of learn all these storylines over the course of a seven-game series. The structure of football and one of the quiet reasons football has become popular as a television product is that football is perfectly paced for the keeping of attention and the building of suspense the way it works. But to your point, I totally agree.

The way at bats work in baseball is a perfect way to build relationships with everybody on the team. It's really weird that every single player on the team gets actual like one to two minutes of face time, sometimes four minutes of face time, four times a game. Yeah, where the two announcers

just sit back and talk about them for five minutes. Yeah, and you learn. I was going to add to that, like the majesty of baseball, I feel like is maybe it's just for an American, it's because it's part of our tradition or whatever, but like going to baseball, Going to baseball games, I'd never been.

I think I hadn't been to a playoff baseball game in like 20-something years. And so going to that Mariners game, the majesty of it all is so cool. The sounds of the ballpark, like that when Carlos played that clip, when you can hear the crack of the bat, like the home run go out. I'm like, man, that just gives me goosebumps. It's so fucking cool. And then the relievers walking on and getting, like, doing their slow walk out of the hole pin. It is. It's fucking theater.

It's so good. We should do a fantasy baseball league next year. I know. We actually should. We should do fantasy baseball. I see it. I don't know if we're getting old or what our baseball is getting better.

And like I've been in LA for like eight years now. And I'm kind of getting sucked into. I'm like, oh, this is, it's cool to be in a city when like a team is doing well. And all the people in the city like walking down to bars last night, every bar is blasting Randy Newman's. I love L.A.

Everyone's, I'm like, this is so cool. This would be such a root for it. Cool. Well, it's, I mean, hard for,

I mean, it's super easy to not root for it for literally everybody else. I'm saying when you're there. Yeah, I know, no, I know. I wish that literally this team that you falling in love with was anything other than this juggernaut behemoth. I'm not falling in love it. I'm just, it would have been any team of any

city right there. No, it's cool. And the thing about the thing about LA is like the fan base, it's not the LA caricature of like the fans. No, the Dodgers fans are the realest fans. But people don't get rid of that. It's the Dodgers just represent the death of the sport, which I will say is also better for the sport overall because you do need to fill in. What are the Mets represent then? Well, the bumbling before. They're the, they're the Browns. Don't they have the highest payroll over the Dodgers? You know who's paid the most cash in the NFL over the last four years? The Saints.

The Eagles. You just paid the second most? The Browns. Oh, God. Like, the Browns are the Mets are the Browns. It's like they've spent a ton of money. The owner is $20 billion. There's nothing better to do.

I'll cap it off with this. I decided that I will allow my children to be Dodgers fans. However, I will not allow them to be Lakers fans. That's not happening. And I don't know how that's going to work. I don't know how I'm going to allow them to be Dodgers, not Lakers, but then root for the warriors. It's going to be very complicated, but I'm going to pull it off.

Yeah, you figure that out. I think you can figure that out. That's funny. I don't have any, like, I think Seattle sports is one of the most remote in terms of compared to all the other major metropolitan sports areas. So, like, people here are just Seattle fans, generally speaking. That's nice. That's easy.

Yeah, it's easy. Also, it kind of sucks sometimes. Dude, I just love the Joe Davis. No way! Wait, play it one more time. I want to hear the crack. Drill the left field. It's so good.

No way! Like, I just, I don't know why that. I was like, oh, that was just completely genuine. Also, the great thing about this, I mean, every sport does this in some way, but the fact that baseball players, when they win a big series or win a big game, they just go and fucking drink beer. Oh, I don't know they do it in other sports, too. I recognize that.

I have to. I have to say, what other thing? Just chugging beers. Otani joined the desk after they won which it's a solid I hope you're about to say what you're going to say because I'm obsessed with this theory I think that motherfucker speaks perfect English

Oh he does He like he goes through the interpreter for everything And at the end he's like thank you guys And it was just like the most Like if you just heard him say thank you guys You would never in a billion years Be like that guy doesn't speak English You'd be like oh yeah he was he's like American

Like he and I So the theory that's been floated that I've heard for years, is that Otani does the interpreter charade because he's so fucking famous in Japan, he's so famous here, that he doesn't want to talk to anyone. He just wanted people coming up

to him, and so he just kind of, the whole thing's like a charade to focus on his craft, and he doesn't want people to speak to him. He just doesn't want to deal with the media. It's genius. But when someone from the L.A. Sparks shows up, like, what's her what's her name? Cameron Brink? Who?

Yes, Cam Brick. When she's there, suddenly he doesn't need an interpreter. He's like, hey, Cam. Suddenly his English is great. Yeah, dude, there was a tweet of that interview hyphids, and it says, that thank you guys was a little too smooth. Yeah, it was. It was like, his guard was down. He's like, thank you guys, see it. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. What was that?

Why did we just do this for the last? Also, but yeah, it's like every time there's like four questions, the interpreter, it's like, oh, I get to ask two questions now instead of five because this is great. He probably saves him all the time. I get it. He's filibustering interviews. He's filibustering interviews. He's a filibuster. The interpreter is just a filibusterer. It's amazing.

Which I've started thinking of now because now when people ask him stuff, I've started being like, I think his interpreter, like if you sometimes when you hear like Hispanic baseball players with their interpreter, like sometimes it takes a long time

to relay a long question. And sometimes he's like, I heard what they said. I'll just say. Yes. Sometimes Otis. I'm like, that was really short for like a long question.

I'm like, I feel like maybe Oton he just completely understood what was said. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, love him even more. I actually, yeah, I love him even more. I respect it.

Burn book. I have one guy this week. I think we should burn Xavier Worthy for the Chiefs. Oh, oh, wow. So Xavier Worthy is, we have not talked about him much, but in October. So Xavier Worthy, long short, he's had one game with double digit points this year,

and you probably did not play him in that game. Like, he got hurt in week one. got you a zero. Missed two weeks, came back. I went back and checked, and Yahoo, more than half of people did not play him the wake he came back because he had the shoulder injury and his questions about him. He had double digit points that week.

He had like 14. It's nothing special. But then everyone's been playing him since. And since then, he's had one good game. He said like eight and six and eight and four. He hasn't done anything. Rishoree Rice is getting the ball like every goddamn play. Like, you don't watch the Chiefs and think I want to play worthy,

but you play him every week. he's done nothing for you. That's a good one. I was going to suggest Bill Merritt, who... Yeah, he's up there too. The only thing, with receiver, at least, like, odds are you have another wide receiver you could play. Bill, it's like running backs are so tough.

I think people were, you know, sold this upside play with Merritt. He had a good week one, then he had three shitty weeks, and then he had a great week five. And then people have probably been trying to chase that high for a month. He hasn't had over five points in a month. And he's a running back. I got checked. Like, he's starting.

starting in all three leagues I'm in this week. Like, people are still depending on this guy to be like a serviceable RB2. It's unplayable. Yeah, I'm, okay, so I'm going to pull him up. You know what? He's neat shit. Yahoo. He was started and he was benched in three quarters of Yahoo

leagues for the week that he went off from week five. Of course. So you're probably right. Like, Bill is probably the answer. And then everyone's like, oh, great. Like, Merritt's back. and then he's goose-egged you basically for a month. That's really what the burn book is for.

It's not just someone consistently bad. Yeah, they burn you. It's someone who reels you back in, the siren song. Yeah. All right, yeah, I think it's Bill Merritt. Sorry, Bill. All right, Bill Merritt, you're in the burn book.

So week one, we burn Jalen Waddle. Week two, we burn Mark Andrews. Week three, Isaiah Pacheco. Week four, Calvin Ridley, week five, Trivia, and Henderson, who we've kind of wanted to burn every week since. Week six, Tony Pollard, week seven, Justin Fields,

week eight, Alvin Camero, who had... Did he even have a full point today? He had negative points in at least one of my leagues. Negative? Yeah, he had a fumble. Lost fumble. I don't believe.

Saints had the 13th lowest time of possession in the history of the NFL today. So it's kind of sick to even have negative points, yeah. Accomplishment. Week 9, Bill Merritt, you're in the burn book. Man, that's really, that one, he's the first, Bill Merritt's the first person we burned it a long time. that I actually feel bad about doing it. Yeah, the rest of them are kind of like these players

that we always kind of have like a negative relationship with. Merritt, we really wanted it to work. But you're right, because if you benched him for week five, it's one, nine, six, five, three, two, four. I mean, which is just like a phone number. Like, that's not a real fantasy player. Eight, six, seven, five, three, oh nine. Okay.

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We'll go with that for now. People are going to be mad at me that I was, I'm like, I kind of like the Dodgers now. It's like, oh, cool. You hopped on board the fucking. No, people are going to love it. The evil empire. No, no, no, everyone's going to love the Beaconatechewson for watching the movie on series.

I'm not adopting them. I'm just saying I now, you know, I'm cool with them. No, Warriors, Dodgers. People are going to love it. I'm cool with them. Goes well with Duke. Yeah, yeah. Just love Grayson and Allen and Steph and Otani.

I get it. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Randy Newman. Nice. Or Tommy Two Tone. I think that's who sings 8,67, 5, 309. Tommy Two Tone?

That sounds like a character in Goodfellas. I literally think it is a character. Tommy Tuton. That sounds like one of the guys in the indictment for the... You're thinking of Tommy Two Times. This is Tommy Two Tone. He's saying, 8, seven, five, three, oh, nine. So that's the original doctrine, right?

Because it's not his number. He's giving out her number, right? Oh, is that right? What? Whose number is he? It's not the original docs. It's based on, they saw for a good time called Jenny, 8675309.

It's like written on a stall in the bathroom. I thought he was giving out his ex's own number. No. Do you think he could have made the jingle work no matter the number? Or did he get lucky that the kind of the way the words mixed together you can sing it easily? Well, let's try. I'll send you guys a picture. D.K., can you try singing it with Bill Merritt's?

points over the last month, and let's see if the tune still works. That'd be great. I'll text you in the same chat. I sent the Gettysburg address to Craig earlier. Okay. Man, I kind of want Craig to finish that speech, too, while we're at it.

I did a good amount of it. You did a lot of this. It's not a long speech. It really did most of it. Oh, Christ, it's so small. Since week two. It starts with one, which is great. All I do.

Do all the single digit numbers. Yeah, do the single digits. In the same tone as 8, 6, 7, 5,000, 5. All this. Okay, okay, okay. 1, 9, 6, 5, 3, 2, 4,000, Oh, you know what? Maybe, maybe.

Yeah. You can probably. That's incredible. That's incredible. All right. Jam-Jat-Jatty. It's a great song. It's pretty good.

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