The Ringer NFL Show - Week 9 Recap: Saquon’s ReVurdle, Lions-Ravens Super Bowl (?), Mike GeSicko Mode, and Exploding Whales

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

The guys recap all of the NFL Week 9 action by going through categories such as, “Who Won Week 9?,” “FEELING NICEY,” and “Fart or Shart” (1:16). Later, they add a name to the Fantasy Burn Book (1:08:04). Winners and Losers (9:29) The Oppenheimer Award (35:01) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (40:21) Fart or Shart (47:10) FEELING NICEY (50:41) Intrusive Thoughts (52:14) Play of the Day (55:03) The Tyrique Stevenson Worst Play of the Day (1:02:50) The Arthur Smith Award (1:04:30) Worst Ref Moment (1:05:15) Lucille Bluth Award (1:06:51) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings: https://fantasyfootball.theringer.com/ Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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right on the Ringer NBA YouTube channel. Football show, my name is Dana Hypatin today. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Quarbeck. And today we are going over all the Sunday games from week nine, starting with just Sunday football that just added Colts Vikings. I barely watched this game. I feel like I missed nothing. Did I miss anything? I liked it. At all? DK, anything of note that I should know that happened in this game. Like a lot of bad offense, generally speaking. Sam Donald had his moments.

He had three touchdowns, but he also had two picks. Joe Flacco, absolutely miserable evening. The Colts didn't score an offensive touchdown. The run game wasn't working for most of the game. Yeah, it was tough. This is one of those things where it's like everyone's going to be like, I'm sure Anthony Richardson could have done that. And there's a world in which he would have done way better.

And then there's a world, which he would have completed four passes out of like 23 attempts. Like this is the dilemma that you have by when the first time you bench a guy, it goes up against like this really notoriously difficult to play against defense in the Vikings. So it's, it's funny though because like everyone is basically saying like, oh, are you happy or say? Like what you did. But now I'm like, this is like when we were arguing about this on Power Hour last week.

I'm like, again, I don't think they were benching Anthony Richardson for the season. I do agree with Hyphen-so like this was definitely like a, more of a punishment situation. Also, it was really funny when they cut to Anthony Richardson tonight right after they talked about how he tapped himself out for being tired. The shot of Anthony Richardson on the sideline, he was yawning.

I was like, it couldn't have been worse. He's like literally still tired on the sidelines. They were waiting for that? Maybe. What are the odds that they just like found that by accident? It's a good question. I don't know. That is elite cinematography by whoever was operating that camera.

But I'm like, yeah, I don't think anybody was like, yeah, this is the long-term solution here. It's Flacco. I think this is more of a punishment. And hopefully now, I bet you Anthony Richardson starts next week. I'm still not convinced they're going to go back to him right away. I don't know. Maybe it's just like pride for them or something or whatever is going on behind the scenes.

Admitting you're wrong? Yeah, I think they're going to keep going with this for a little while. But we'll see. Dude, it was bad. It was really bad today. Flacco couldn't move. He was terrible. I have a question.

This is unrelated to Flacco. I had this theory for a long time. growing up that like the producers of the broadcast save the pictures on the sideline where like a guy's picking his nose and then like insert it into the show like they tie it to because it's like the odds of someone picking their nose is like 75% if you're like on the sideline for whatever reason it's just always a guy picking his nose I know that's a fake that's not a real thing it's just a conspiracy theory but I just like it's a good theory do you think that they save it for the people who didn't talk to them enough in the pre-production meetings and

they make those people nose pickers or they're like rude to them that week or whatever they big-timed them. In reality, they have like 20 cameras that are all looking at different things, and there's like a technical director who picks the best one. That's the most interesting at that moment, so that's why. And in reality, they're all playing football and it's really hard, and you have to breathe really heavy, but like it's really hard to wipe your nose

with a face mask on and so they get off and they're just like getting all. Yeah. I think you should destigmatize it. Let people pick their nose. Yeah, it's fine. Just don't know. Eating it's another level, dude. I've never understood that at all. Yeah, it's...

Eating your bugger. Yeah. Can somebody, is any brave soul who does it and is willing to, we won't say your name, but email us. If you're a pro bugger eater and you want to make the case, email us. Dude, we will redact your name. Emails or your fantasy football at Gmail.com. No, make the case for bugger eating. Greg's totally right. Make the case is a great idea for our podcast. I guess that's kind of the hottest take, but yeah. It's the week of the election. And I like the taste of it.

It's the week of the election. We're trying to embrace debate, all right? Right, yeah. Please email surrogate fantasy football at gmail.com. if you did eat, we'll take if you did eat boogers as a kid, but preferably if you actually are an adult that still does privately, and we'll redact. You have my promise off the record. If you wish it was publicly acceptable to eat boogers, email us.

This is the Costanza. This is the sidefold episode where they're talking about like, Moses probably picked his boogers. What's wrong with that? Like, yeah, of course, and the dry eat? Of course he was picking the burgers. All that dust? Oh, that dust.

Before we move on from this horrific, game. Everybody was glazing Flores, right, for his, for his really intricate schemes. You never know who's blitzing. There's eight guys up. Four of them drop back. You don't know which four it's going to be. This is, again, this is like the too high thing that craze from a few years ago. Why doesn't everybody do this? I know it's like what some defensive coordinators are stuck and they're setting their ways and they do things the way they've always done them. But like, this feels really obvious. Like this is like a no-brainer situation to me, right? Highfitts. Can you tell me why every defensive coordinator doesn't just have different people dropping back every time?

So I think that there's a simple answer and then a more complicated simple answer. The simplest answer is just like the time kind of progress kind of moves a little slowly where it's like you watch the dolphins at the beginning of last year. And you're like, why weren't you having players do full sprint motion before every play all the time? Like, you know what I mean? Like we were joking like, wait, the innovation is just have guys running full speed before the snap. Like, why wouldn't you always be doing that? Why would you be static? and then, all right, I guess my fancy thing I'd say is that, like, it seems obvious because it's like Jenga and like life is like this, but football's like Jenga where you tap on a block and it doesn't move.

And it tap on a block and next turn doesn't move. And then five turns go around and it block, that same block pops right out, even though it seems like nothing changes. Because there's like imperceptible shifts in structure that like you don't notice to the naked eye, but then enough things shift. And then like, oh my God, like things are totally different. So I'll say that things allow that to change. The different answer I'd say to specifically why is that I think that what Mike McDonald does in Seattle and what Flores does in Minnesota, it's about you have to be able to cover. Like the problem with defense is that when like those, like, let's say an offense does a motion and Tyree kills sprinting or like Colts. So, you know, let's say Michael Pittman sprinting across the field.

It's a stress test. Everyone, all seven people drop you in coverage. Everyone has to know what to do. It's not like one guy has to know how that changes one. Everybody has to know. It's an immediate pop quiz for every. everybody immediately. And if everyone, sorry, if anyone gets the pop quiz wrong in one second, then you give

up a touchdown. And so the question, it's not about, oh, there's six guys and then three drop. It's about, can you intelligently, can everyone, all 11 people be on the same page about what you're going to do based on any changes in the moment? And really what it is and what Mike McDonald did and whatever, it's like, oh, Mike McDonald's amazing in Seattle. It's about teaching it to players in a way where you can do your full range of schemes. from that look.

It's about be, can you do that in a way where you have eight people lined up but four go and four drop in a way that you still can throw like six looks out of it, not two, but like can you say it in two words so the defense can audible?

That's really what it's about. It's about having all eight pages of the diner menu and not like the Michelin Star, like you can do six things out of it, but you want to do like six D things out of it. At the risk of doing the hot dogs and hot dog buns thing that Haifitz just did, not just did,

but did over the summer. Craig, it's kind of like, why aren't all bands good? Like, all bands have like a guitar, some drums, like, you know, a bass, a singer. You'd think they'd all be good. I think it's like truly, it's just like putting the pieces together and like how they work together. It's like it is truly like almost like a musical composition. It's just like very difficult to get all the same guys on the same page and to play good music or whatever. So that's probably a stupid analogy.

No, I like it better than mine, actually. Why aren't all bands good? Why are some bands terrible? You know, they just play shitty music. So, D.K., what band is the Vikings defense? Like, not Leonard's good. I was going to say, like, Led Zeppelin or something, just fucking shredding and making really unique awesome music.

And what D is the Jaguars? I mean, what band is the Jaguars defense? LMFAO Damn, how dare you mean to LMFAO actually. All right, let's get to the winners

and losers for the day other than Brian Flores and loser LMFAO. DK, who's your winner for Sunday week nine?

I'm going to say Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry as co-winners. Basically, is this the coolest and best quarterback running back combo ever?

I know that's like a big statement but like, and I don't really believe maybe ever, but like, maybe the coolest ever. What do you guys think?

Yes, it is the coolest. I have an answer. Yes. Definitely. I mean, there's literally a cooler one in the division, Russ and Naji, but... Totally, totally. No, I'm just saying, like, putting these two guys together has absolutely created magic, and it's so much fun to watch this team every single week.

The Ravens demolish the Broncos this week, 41 to 10. And this is a good Broncos defense. Like this Broncos defense had been making life really hard for a lot of good offenses all season. And the Broncos just ran over them like it was nothing. Lamar now, I was just looking at his numbers relative to the rest of the league. Number one in passer rating, 120.7. Number one in success rate. He has the second most passing yards, the most rushing yards among quarterbacks.

He has, he's averaging 10.6 adjusted yards per temp, which is best in the NFL. His EPA per dropback is best in the NFL. He's breaking football. looks incredible. This is a two-time MVP who's playing his best football ever. And then meanwhile, you have Derek Henry, who is on pace for almost 2,000 yards and 21 touchdowns right now. And, like, is also building his own MVP campaign a little bit. I mean, when's the last time a running back and quarterback could kind of just both win the MVP and nobody would have a problem with it? I know, and people were having that discussion today. It's like, maybe Lamar actually deserves

to be part of this discussion, or sorry, maybe Henry deserves to be part of this discussion because like what he does on the ground, like the way that defenses have to like, you know, prepare for him the way that he can kind of salt away games. I still would totally pick Lamar, but I think it is an interesting discussion. Well, the Niners fans listening or screaming that Purdy and McCaffrey should have been considered last year, even though probably not. But I will say, I think the Ravens are winning the Super Bowl. Sorry, the Ravens are going to make the Super Bowl.

I don't know if they're going to win. We'll see about that. I think the Ravens are going to make it. They're going to win the EFC. Obviously, injuries can happen, et cetera. But the Ravens are better than the Chiefs. They're better than anyone else in the UFC. I don't think it's particularly close.

Every single game you watch them. And I look at the Ravens. did lose last week, I think. Yeah, but even that. They did lose the James Winston last week. I don't care. Like, it's the kind of, I don't care. There's so much better.

Like, even the games that they're losing, though, it's because. And they lost to the Raiders. It was weird games, let's be honest. But every year, the best team loses to the worst team. That happens every year. Also, the Ravens were cooking last year and Lamar won an MVP, and the Chiefs look like shit. This team's better, though, again, I still think this team is like, well, they're worse.

Defensively, they're much worse. There's no question. But I think that the offense, again, I still. I still think the entire reason they got Derek Henry was because in that AFC championship game where they lost. And again, they lost in part because Zay Flowers reached for the goal line and that role where the, you know, he fumbled. But they had the fewest design carriers to running backs in any game in the history of the Ravens franchise. And then they were like, we need fucking Derek Henry. And then you look at again, Derek had another 160 yards, two touchdowns.

He broke a thousand yards in the season today. Yeah. 100 rushing touchdowns in Derek Henry's career. Week nine. 100 rushing touchdowns in his career. 300 since he left high school, which, I mean, that alone is like crazy. He's had 300 rushing touchdowns in high school college in the NFL. I think maybe four or five people have probably ever done that.

And then I saw this on the broadcast from CBS. I couldn't believe this. Derek Henry, so he leads the NFL in rush attempts, rush yards, rush yards per attempt, and rushing touchdowns. Which think about that. Like most carries, most yards, but also most yards per carry. And the last person to do that was Jim Brown in 1961.

Wow. To lead in all four of those at the same time. JFK was alive. the last time someone led the league in all four those categories at the same time. So Derek Henry's... Craig, you want to do a JFK impression? Do it.

Talk about Derek Henry as JFK. Lamar and Derek Henry. Lamar. Lamar is a good JFK word. Lamar. Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry are two of the most impressive athletes playing NFL football today. Weirdly good.

All right, Craig and or JFK, who's your winner? for today. That's fine. I've like listened to so little JFK in my life I'm realizing.

Like I feel like I've heard him speak like only a few times so I don't even know I've heard more impressions of JFK than actual I don't know what I'm actually not consuming

much JFK content in my life. That's not what your country can do for you what you can do for your country and I'm like I haven't heard him say anything else actually. Yeah. I don't even know

when I'm building that impression off of it. It's like family guy references I don't even know. Honestly or it's like I'm just doing like Rissillo tweak. My winner is the Chargers today and all general Harbaugh, Herbert. They beat the Browns 27-10 today. The game was never close. They won in Cleveland.

They did everything against them. They shut down James. They're now five and three. Things look like they're coming together offensively. You know, they're throwing a lot more now. They kind of stalled a little bit running the ball, although they ran the ball well today. But Herbert's playing really well. Herbert on the season, quietly, 10 touchdowns, one pick. Their receivers are kind of healthy and coming together now. McConkey is good. Quentin Johnson and Josh Palmer are good enough. I think the biggest issue is like Herbert still gets pressured a lot, but he's been really good. And then on the other side of the ball, they're basically the best defense in the league in a lot of ways right now. I mean, the Chargers have allowed the third fewest points per game by any team through eight games in the last 15 seasons.

They're giving up 12 points a game, the Chargers right now, 12 points a game. Another defense in that mold of just like Mike McDonald mold of defense. Yeah, and their DC is Jesse Minter, who was with Harbaugh in Michigan the last two years. and he's now here in L.A. And it just feels like this team, a lot of their wins aren't great. They haven't really played a ton of good teams. They lost to the Chiefs by seven.

But this team is like picking up momentum and you can feel it that like everything is starting to kind of coalesce. Yeah, totally agree. I think they're becoming one of the more fun teams to watch and they have like a lot of good stories. The J.K. Dobbin story is incredible. Like the fact that he's still healthy,

he's still rushing. And he's been really efficient. for the most part and creating explosive plays. He's been kind of like trailing off a little bit the last few weeks, but he looked pretty good today. I don't know. They're just like a fun team to watch. They have two good,

really good tackles. Herbert's awesome. McConkey, I think, is going to be a star. He's already looking like a huge hit for them. So, and even Quentin Johnston's like not terrible now.

Like he's a good role player for them at the very least. Josh Palmer, baby, had a touchdown. He's still alive. My winner today is the Detroit Lions. Lines won 2414. Lions dominated this game, absolutely dominated.

There was, again, like the Ravens, I think there's zero doubt that the Lions of the class of the NFC. And we thought Lions Packers might be like an NFC championship game preview. It's on the road, golf not in a dome, it's raining. None of it matters. Detroit absolutely rocked them. It was not as close as the score indicates in Lambo, in the rain. I just thought everything about this was so impressive.

And even the fact, no Aiden Hutchinson for the Lions who's the best defensive player. And then Brian Branch, who's probably their other best defensive player, gets ejected midway through the game. And then Carlton Davis goes down late. It didn't matter. I thought the Lions defense was incredible. And I don't know. Am I too optimistic and sap?

Because I think the Lions are such an easy team. Especially being the Giants, the Giants are awful. Like, we'll get into that later. But like, I've had to adopt another team. Are you going to adopt? How could you not adopt the Lions? How could you not, like, how could you not root for the Lions? And I don't know.

Am I crazy in thinking the Lions, D.K. are obviously the best team in the conference, right? I don't think it's you. I think how could you not look at a Lions Raven Super Bowl as of this moment? That's sexy right there. Yeah, no, this team is so good. They just have so many ways to beat you.

This is like kind of what I was thinking, watching them today. It's just, you know, if one thing's not working, they go to another thing, and they have three guys that can beat you in different ways. The one thing it was weird is like in the first half, Jemir Gibbs had two carries, and we're like, where is, like, what's going on?

Where is he? Is he hurt? Like, what's going on? on. And then he came in in the second half and just like basically spelled Montgomery and offered them like this really explosive like counter punch that the Packers were getting just like starting to get used to Montgomery. And then you come out here and Gibbs can just like offer this other totally different element to their offense. And so and then you add in obviously like Amam Ross St. Brown had an amazing touchdown catch today. You know, they've got Leporta who was like the best

tight end in football last year and he's now like kind of a role player for them this year because they have other options that they can use. Locking. They're just so... They're just so deep. Yeah. So I don't know. They just have so many ways to beat you.

I think Goff looked solid in the rain today. You know, he was pretty efficient. He's super efficient. Speaking of the... They still have more touchdowns than incompletions in their last five games. Craig, I have an important question for you. Dek has mentioned the rain. I still think that you had like the greatest sports revelation ever, which was...

Why is it so hard to see the... rain during football games. We get to this explain to us. All I can think about the whole game was, oh, it looks like the rain stopped, and then they would cut to the sideline, and it's like still pouring over and over. Yeah, yeah. The only time you can really ever see it is when they cut to a camera that has water on the actual lens.

And you're like, oh, it's still raining. Or Aaron Glenn defense coordinator for the lions. Aaron Glenn's glasses were just covered in rain, and you couldn't even see anything. Dude, doesn't it feel like the lions, like haven't even unlocked how good they can actually be? Because half the time, they're like, they're just beating. you by running the ball. They don't even have to throw. Like the lion's very very good throwing football team. And that feels like an afterthought in their offense now. They're like,

if we if we need to throw, we'll think about it. But actually, we'll just beat you running the ball. Last year, golf was second in the league in passing yards. He had 4,500 passing yards. This year he's 16th. I saw a stat today. They're literally too good to be good at fantasy almost in certain ways. Like, Jared Goff should be a good fantasy quarterback. He's on a great offense. That's scoring a ton of points. But like, they literally don't even need to throw because they're so good. He hasn't thrown more than 25 times in a game since week two. I think you're 100% right. I think Jared Goff being good and is actually one of the stories of the season. And honestly, obviously, he has great protection and that's important for Jared

golf. But I totally agree. I mean, in a way, we haven't seen Goff have to get into like a true shootout outside of like, I guess really that Vikings Lions game was one of the few times. They're just like bullying people in a way that is so powerful this year. Last year, goff threw a ton. And this year, it's just like, we're going to hit you in the mouth until you stop us and most people aren't stopping them. For this game, I felt like the contrast in, like, established and have arrived skill players versus, like, potential skill players for the Packers. So, like, the Packers, they looked really sloppy to me in all areas.

Basically, you know, the receivers kept dropping passes. Christian Watson misplayed a couple of deep balls where he, like, stopped running and tried to jump really high and, like, catch a couple of times. Like, it happened like twice. And it was just like, man, the lions are sort of. of like the self-actualized version of like what the packers could be you know what i mean like they have arrived they're they're hitting they're all their different guys are sort of like they're at the right place in their career to like do you know do their job and and do it really

really efficiently like whereas like the packers have a ton of like really nice skill players that could be elite someday but like right now they're still i think just kind of trying to figure it out so that was like that felt like a big contrast to me it's like the lines are just like here they're they're all their you know they all they have all their ducks in a row whereas the packers are still trying to like work it out. A lion's Raven Super Bowl, the colors in that game, so aesthetically pleasing. It's just the aesthetically pleasing goal. Also, on that note, just because I'm sure a lot of people listening are probably like,

yeah, why can't you see rain? We argued about this for three weeks last year and I just pulled up the email that settled it. Just shout out to Josh who emailed us, who is a cameraman for high school football. The short answer to why you can't see rain and some camera shots is not that raindrops are small. I guess that's what we were saying. We're so dumb. because he said rain like all water refracts light and this water becomes visible

when there is a sufficiently high frequency light source behind it. The sun does not function as strong enough light source to make rain particularly visible in camera. If you're outside on a Sunday day and it's raining, you can see the rain, but it's more difficult. But a nighttime game with rain, it's really dark out. You can see the rain at least a little bit most of the time when the stadium lights are on and behind it.

And that's why every time they want to show how much it's raining that winter at the light. That's the answer. So anyway, it's about water. Anyway, that blew my mind. Okay. My loser for today is Danny Kelly. Because the Seahawks lost...

Did you see me losing my mind during the Seahawks game? I did. I was really concerned for you, the text I was getting. I was just happy you were answering. Seahawks lost 26 to 20 to the Rams. The Seahawks loser to the Rams in overtime in a game that had 20 penalties, I think, is D.K.'s personal hell. Yeah, that game sucks so much.

The Seahawks had two... well first of all Geno Smith threw a pick six from like the I don't know what it was like the eight or ten yard line or something and it was like a hundred year of the season. 103 yard return so that sucked and then later in the game he threw another pick

from like the two yard line that sucked also they had like 12 penalties they're just super sloppy infuriating team and then also like Geno Smith brought them back at the end of the game and sent it to overtime they probably should have won

they couldn't convert a fourth down deep in their own end and you know, that's life, I guess. But like, this was like the most frustrating, but also exhilarating. And then really frustrating. It was just like the perfect Seahawks. It encapsulated the Seahawks experience for me.

I had a headache like in the third quarter of this game watching it. And then, of course, you know, the Rams who have won, I counted, I think, 11 out of the last 14 games against the Seahawks. The Rams were just like, they have the Seahawks number. Stafford, McVeigh, they're just like so hard to beat for the Seahawks. Was this a fart or a shart for Seattle? kind of felt like a shart. There's people talking about, like, the coaching is bad.

You know, obviously, like, before Gino brought them back in the end, like, people were like, okay, the Gino experiment is over. I did, like, obviously I'm not, like, willing to jump that far, but, like, Seahawk fans are, at least especially during the game before he brought them back at the end, like, Seok fans were like, okay, I'm fucking done with this. But, but, yeah, like, it's, this is really bad. Their last place in the NFC West,

I know it's like a, it's a close race between all the teams. right now, but I don't know, man. They just don't, they don't feel like a very well-coached team right now. And I was thinking while you guys were talking about why the Vikings defense is so good, I kept thinking about the Seahawks. It's because none of it, it's like, they're not quite on the same page. No one's quite on the same page. And I saw an interview with a Seahawks player.

I think it was Leonard Williams this week where he was like, yeah, on defensive play. And I'm paraphrasing, and I might have gotten it a little bit wrong. But he's like, basically, we have like two or three calls for every play. You have to sort of make an adjustment based on what the offense is doing and then communicate it to everybody. And at some point, like almost invariably, it seems like one person doesn't get the memo. And then there's a guy like will open or whatever.

So, God, yeah, that game sucked ass. That was like one of the most frustrating games I've ever seen. Yeah, sounds like you're going to have to change your pants. That's a shirt. But, I mean, yeah, the Siak fans are, the vibes are incredibly low right now. On Twitter? It's going to be a tough week for Twitter. Yeah, yeah.

Why, Craig? What's happening? I don't know. Ravens Bengals Thursday night. It's going to be nuts. My losers The Cowboys, they lost today

27 to 21, but it was not as close as the score suggests. They look terrible, man, and they're three and five now. The vibes are so bad in Dallas. Craig,

did you see the DAC on the sideline thing? Yeah. There was a shot of Dak clearly saying we fucking suck. That's tough. That got hurt in the game. Cooper Rush came in. They had the worst fake punt throw I've ever seen in my life.

Oh, my God. C.D. Lamb got hurt, and he was kind of playing through an injury. The whole, I mean, the team just has, like, no identity. They can't run the ball. The offensive line sucks. It's fun. You know, for so long, it was like running the ball. Offensive line was like what Dallas had.

It's completely the opposite now. They're playing the Eagles next week. McCarthy's throwing his headset. He knows he's done after this season. Like, it couldn't be worse. This was a huge game, I think, for Dallas. And kind of, like, decided which way. way the season was going to go.

And now I think it's confirmed like this ain't it. It's not happening. And also not only his hamstring for Dak Prescott, but his hand was bleeding and it looks swollen as hell. I don't know what the hell is going on there. With his hamstring, Dak said he felt something he's never felt before. So maybe it's love.

I don't know. That sounded kind of romantic. Oh my God. When you know, you know, Craig. Yeah. You know, you know. There's everything you just said, I think you're right because, I mean, look, coming to this game,

like the Cowboys can't run. They can't stop the run. They can't pass. They can't stop the pass. They can't pass. Should I keep going? Like, again, the best thing they do is kick and they couldn't get Brandon Aubrey off fucking Jerry duty.

So, like, there's not a lot going on. But I will say, I think that you nailed the point, though. The offensive line is the, is the emblem of this collapse. The Falcons had the second fewest sacks halfway through a season ever on record. Like, six sacks in eight games, the second fewest ever on record. Falcons had two sacks in the first quarter on Dallas. That's how bad the past protection is. And you were like, oh, well, it's the youth.

Unfortunately, also, Zach Martin, who is a Hall of Fame guard and the best guard of his generation, is cooked. Like, he's done. Cowboys fans are sitting there watching. We can't call screens because of how wash Zach Martin is. They can't pass. They can't run. They can't protect.

Frankly, they don't do anything well. And again, Dallas looks like a team who's run by a guy who's older than Joe Biden. Like, that's what this. This team was constructed by Jerry Jones. And every time Jerry Jones, there's a fucking microphone put in front of him, you're like, yeah, he's older than Joe Biden. That's the beginning and end of it. And, like, they just like the circus of it. They got the tours coming through.

Kaelin Collar had that incredible story for ESPN, how, like, Dallas is Tours going through the facility. Do you guys see this? Tours? Oh, my God. I love how you say tour. Tour. Tours. No, you say the Midwest.

You say tours. Yeah, I say tour. It's Tors. It's like how Southerners say all for oil. They do. Get some oil. I don't know. I've never heard that.

Is that a thing? Yeah. I feel like the people who say tour are also the people who say human. I think it's a Chicago thing. I think it's a Chicago Midwest accent, tour. Like, rhyming the fishy lure. It's like roof and roof. Yeah.

31 teams, the facility is super like locked down and closed and like fans can't go in. And then the Dallas Cowboys sell tickets to walk through the facility. And so Kail and Collar had the story where she just went on a bunch of freaking doors. And like, Micah Parsons is like limping. through the thing last week, just on a Tuesday, just limping. And the Cowboys were pretending he might play. And then all the fans in the tour were like,

oh my God, he looks so terrible. Oh, no. I bet he can't play this week. And it was just like, do you need more money? Like, why are you doing this? And it's just, Jerry just likes attention genetically. I don't know. But it's crazy that they're worth like $11 billion.

And they're trying to like make like a few grand selling tours every Wednesday. Like, what the fuck are you doing? And so Michael Parsons is trying to walk. through this family and everyone's like gawking at him like it's a zoo it's not a serious team yeah wow i think that strikes me the thing that strikes me about this team watching it and i guess like what we'll find out more going forward is like there's no depth they don't have very they have like almost no skill player what about dalvin cook dk it's so bizarre and then by the way you did i don't remember if you mentioned it or not but uh zekeel ezekiel elliott got like

essentially kicked off the team today well yeah they said him to a farm upstate. Because he's been... I think he's leading the tours now. He's the tour guide. Yeah. Because in subordination, he's, you know, I don't know what he's doing. But they're basically like, all right, we've had enough of you.

And they told him not to come to the game. Honestly, they're the least serious, serious team. And I'll just say this. They have, of all the cutting things that could say, they have one more win than the Giants. And right now the Giants would have the number one pick of the NFL draft. Wow. Really?

Yeah. So things are going great. It depends on a bunch of time. Honestly, dude, next week. Game of the year next week is Giants, Panthers in Munich, which everyone's making fun for weeks. That shit might decide who gets like Cam Ward or whoever for the, like the number one pick.

Like Giants Panthers is huge. Like, the Giants could have the ninth or 10th pick this year or first, and like this game will do half that one. Wow. Right. This game decides who will get the next bust. That's so cool. All I want to do with the Giants, you know.

Anyway, TK., who's your loser for Sunday weeknight? The Saints on many levels. They lost the game. game, for starters, to the Panthers of all teams, who we've been absolutely skewering the last few weeks as one of the worst teams we've ever seen. They lost 23 to 22, the Saints, sorry, to the Panthers. And on a serious note, Chris Olave, his fifth concussion since 2020, had to go to the hospital. He was put on a backboard, had to go to the hospital, got checked out. Sounds like he's okay. But now we're in a situation with Olave where the future of his career is like actually

Like in question. We don't know exactly what's going to happen here. You know, I think there was reports after the game that we'll see, we'll kind of have to see what happens next. It's almost like a Tua situation where he may decide not to play the rest of the season. So Alavi has four confirmed concussions in the NFL and then another one in college. So five confirmed concussions in the last five seasons. And that's just, you know, when it's diagnosed. Yeah.

So that's obviously really scary. And, you know, we hope for the best for him. Are the Carr brothers? the most, like, losingest brothers in sports history. I think objectively they're the most loser brothers. Like factually, like by the definition of losing, loser, they are... This stat here basically just outlines the most losses a starting quarterback has through a certain point of their career.

So through four seasons, the quarterback with the most losses was David Carr with 43. Through five seasons, David Carr, six seasons, David Carr, seven seasons, Derek Carr, eight seasons Derek car, 9, 10, and 11 seasons, Derek Carr. That is crazy. Is there a third car, brother, coming up? Yeah. Is there a bonus, Jonas? For the car? Oh, my God.

Dude, the Saints, we don't talk enough about the week one and two thing. I know. It's bizarre as hell. It's like a movie that comes out and has like an amazing trailer. And then it's just like, I remember that movie downsizing, which is the worst movie I've ever seen, the Alexander Payne movie. I actually like Alexander Payne, but I remember the trailer came out for downsizing,

and I was like, this looks awesome. Matt Damon, this is fun. So where they, like, get, they turn them into really tiny? Yeah, they, like, shrink people essentially to, like, it's like saves the economy and saves the environment, by, like, just, like, literally shrinking everything to, like, protect resources. Funny trailer look great, worst movie I've ever seen. I nearly left the theater.

I've never done that before. That is, like, actually just what happened with the Saints this year. It was just like an awesome trailer, and it turned out to be a dog shit movie. Is it like the first season of True Detective, Asloop Banger? I think one of my favorite seasons of TV of all time. And then there was the second third, and then Vince Vaughn was in season two.

And everyone's like, I don't know. Oh, my God. We should have given him this guy more time to create season two, I feel like. True Detective was like, man, we have these show about like basically two people

with the most visually stunning thing ever. So what if we had a show with like 20 characters that was just pictures of the Los Angeles fucking highways and dive bars? Yeah, yeah. It's a Christ. Like, you know what I want to see after? I watch True Detective Season 1.

Now, you know what I want to see? Overpasses. Yeah. Yeah, totally. My God. I don't know, dude, the 405 to the 10, there's an interesting on-ramp. It's pretty, it's pretty cool.

Yeah, I'm actually, you know, I'm, you know what's really interesting? The two most interesting things to me, the occult and like really weird religious things in Louisiana. And then also how different cities in Los Angeles do politics with each other. As told by Vince Vaughn. Dude. Anyway. Seven straight losses for the Saints. Yeah.

I mean, the vibes are atrocious right now. Michael Thomas, who again is one of the best players in Saints history, just live tweeting the entire Saints game. Like, fuck Derek Carr over and over. I actually think it's the funniest thing ever. I mean, I think the Saints might have the first pick in the draft. I think there might be, yeah, honestly, the Saints... It's falling apart.

I think big picture to wrap everything we were just talking about up, I think the teams that are really serious about this season and are actually trying to win this. Super Bowl and do things the hard way, crushed today. Detroit, Baltimore, and also Buffalo. And the teams that are lying to themselves through their teeth about who they are were rocked. The Saints, Cowboys, like everyone, like the Raiders who fired Luke Getsy today, like

Shadow Ross & Gale is dancing in the streets. The teams that were, like, frankly, not honest with themselves when they looked in the mirror got their teeth kicked in and they deserved it. So, all right. Speaking of which, I am because. death, Oppenheimer Award for the player who went nuclear. Mike Gisicki for the Bengals and also just the Bengals, Joe Burrow. I got my teeth kicked in on this one.

So I may or may not have gone on a rant about how much I hate Mike Gisiki on the Friday show. Five catches, 100 yards, two touchdowns, number one tight end of the day, best fantasy game of his entire career. Gisicki, whoops. Giske is a funny player. He's essentially the handcuff for T. Higgins. Yeah. And he's like, like I said on the show on Friday, I'm like he's like a, he's like a not very good version of T. Higgins, but he looked great in this game. And honestly, the last two games, he's made some pretty incredible catches.

I kind of like when he is featured in this offense. Let's keep this thing going. We need a memento tattoo. You know, oh, I just came up with a good idea. Guys, I actually just came up organically with a good idea. Okay. Do you remember Bill, I think Bill's best take is that, you? The Oscars, if it should be like five years after movies coming out.

You need to see how it sits. Yeah, like 2016, Get Out doesn't win best picture. It's like obviously. We're looking back at shape of water, one best picture. Yeah, what the fuck? Like, no one's watched shape of water in the last five years. And that would be so much better. How is Crash a good movie?

Yeah. But I think some people think it hasn't aged well. My friend has a good take to crash the beginning of, shout out my friend Matt, who says the crash was ahead of its time in a fuck weird way. Not about any of the race stuff, but about the internet. And the reason it's called crash is sometimes people just crash into each other to feel something. And that's what the internet's for. That's why people yell at each other.

Everyone just yelling at each other to feel something. But anyway, what was it? Oh, I have an idea. We should do that with tight ends. In fantasy, when we like a rookie tight end, you should just draft him five years later. No questions asked. Yeah. Because it takes five fucking years to play tight end.

I mean, it's like starting to work for Kyle Pitts, even though he was shitty today. But yeah, you're right. It's because we're only three seasons into Kyle Pitts or whatever. Yeah, exactly. We need to wait two more. Like Mike Giskeke,

he was a great prospect. He's 29. I don't know. It takes a six years. Anyway, yeah. Has there ever been a more gangly player in the NFL?

I think he's the gangliest player I've ever seen. I don't know. I just watched Joe Flacco take like nine cents. I know. I always think you ever see Geron running around. Like, Gisicki's out here doing the gritty.

Whatever he's just like, he's like the way he moves. He's like the way he moves. He's actually one of the best athletes at the tight end position of all time like if you look at his testing like numbers but he's just so gangly he's all legs

he looks like he's like a daddy long legs I keep thinking he's going to get hurt it's like when I watch like Victor Wembenya I'm like no don't every single time stop running yeah this isn't supposed to be working like this like this is something's up here anyway he looked awesome today two touchdowns

sure well we're not but I'm also just going to say burrow five touchdowns number basically tied with Jalen Hurts to the number one's quarterback. Joe Burrow, only quarterback this season, five touchdowns, multiple games this season. I think I'm ready. Only through for 250 yards, though. I think I'm ready.

You're ready to what? You're going to give up? Yeah, this is my Josh Jacobs. Don't give up yet because as soon as you capitulate, he's going to get hurt. So let's keep this going. Okay, you want me to hold it for the whole season and make sure you're like, this is bullshit. I was right the whole time.

He could still get hurt. I was really worried about him getting hurt and that just that applies to the whole season. That's a good take if I capitulate to get hurt. No, yeah, okay. Yeah, Joe Burrell, let's see if you can do the whole season. Yeah, prove it, Joe. Yeah, see if you get five touchdown passes.

The haircut. I mean, are we serious with the haircut? It's like coming out at the end. Yeah, it's come on. All right. Any of their Oppenheimer's? Devon A. Chan, specifically when Tua is on the field is like one of the best players in fantasy football.

In fact, if, I mean, this is, extrapolating a lot, of course, but with Tua on the field this year, A-chan has averaged 24.3 points per game. He would be the running back one with those numbers if he had been throughout the whole season or whatever. He's averaging 133

scrimmage yards per game when Tua plays, 20.5 touches per game. He has a 22% target rate on the season when Tua isn't in the lineup. Today, and I think this is kind of like the interesting thing about A-chan is like we need to not really think about him as much as a running back, as much

as he is like a Percy Harvin type player. He had a 30% target rate this week, 87% route participation rate, which means he was running a route on almost every time they threw the ball when he was in the lineup. He's basically they're like wide receiver too. He's not just a running back. And in fact, they're playing him with other running backs on the field.

He's like going in motion, you know, playing out of the slot. I think he's just such an interesting player. And obviously he's killing it, you know, in fantasy. when at least when Tua is out there. So you would say the return of Tua kind of revived Devon A-chan as well as some other players on the Dolphins, right? Yes. Right.

So you would say like, we're so back kind of for Devon H-N, right? Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, I don't feel the same way about another player on the dolphins named Jalen Waddle. It was over and it's still over. And then we were back for a moment and then it's now we're over again. Jalen Waddle is invented. He's inventing new ways. He's inventing new ways to piss me off. He really is. So this man was, they lost by three to the Bills, Miami today. Sorry, Carlos, unfortunately. Tough game. Jaylen Waddle was targetless until the fourth quarter. Zero target. This is a back and forth game against the bills, high scoring game targetless until the fourth quarter. Then he has an awkward play where, of course, DeMarne Hamlin, who's like the Grim Reaper now. He's like going after everybody else. He injured to a. We thought,

Mark Hamlin's the grim reaper. He's like coming after people now. It looked like he tore Jalen Waddle's Achilles. He got like spikes. He's the one who hurt Jail and Waddle? Yes. Oh my Lord. He got like spiked Waddle, held his leg.

Everybody was like Waddle's Achilles is torn. And honestly, I kind of was relieved. I was like, it's over finally. I don't have to be like under his spell anymore. I can like actually start somebody else on my team. Two plays later, he comes back in, catch the touchdown. Of course. And I'm like, all right.

We might be back. You know, a serviceable fantasy day, like 10, 11, 12 points, whatever. Then final play of the game, one of those like bullshit, you have to go 80 yards, lateral situations. The ball ends up in Jalen Waddle's hands and he decides to turn around and run 25 yards backwards and get tackled. By like a big guy. By a big guy.

Why could he outrun that guy? Yeah, he tried to outrun the entire team and then ended up with negative four yards on the day. So his final stat line was two catches for negative four. yards in a touchdown because that didn't even count as a catch. So you didn't even get the fucking PPR point because it was lateral to him. And then he ran negative 25 yards and got tackled. And that also brought Tua under his passing yards over under, which a lot of people

have bet on. And so Tua had beat it by like 15 yards. And then Waddle had to lose the prop, too. Good Lord. Now seems like a great time to play two players who had more receiving yards than Jalen Waddle and a life. Two players. Everybody in the NFL did.

All right. Well, sorry. I'm counting defenders. I'm counting defenders who had interceptions today. So these are two players who, two defenders who had more interception return yards than Waddle had deceiving yards today and alive. Cam Kinchins,

Alohi Gilman, Jalen Walthall. Wait, you just made that up because it's like Jalen Waddle. No, I did not make it up. There's a guy named Jalen Walthall. There's a person named Jalen Walthall. who a lonely Gilman Cam Kiddler ego

Jalen Walt Hall that's weird they all had more yards I'm guessing yeah well yes they did but it's not that way so Jalen Walthall is not in the NFL

he is the receiver at incarnate incarnate word who did the headstand catch touchdown and got flagged for it and now everyone's doing the freaking headstand celebration that was Jalen Walt Hall

who's better than Jalen Waddle. He is. God. At this point, I don't know why he's on the dolphins. Trade him.

Dude, so I have a question. While we're here, you don't use him. While we're here, if you're like a really good team of fantasy and you have Jalen Waddle, which you probably aren't if you have Jalen Waddle.

Should you cut him? Because part of me is like, he's like a sleeper agent. Like if you're like, oh, you can't do that. Like, good team will pick him up.

Yeah, exactly. Like I kind of want to put him on my biggest rival's team and like destroy their locker room. It's like a mole. It's like a plant. Honestly, yeah. What's he going to do?

Be great? No fucking way. He was the sixth overall pick, and they traded up to get him. They traded like a future first rounder. Part of the Trey Lance tree. He's part of the Trey Lance tree umbrella. And he has an afterthought.

Like they straight up just like do not use him. What do you think the odds were today that you could get Alan Robinson to have more yards than Jalen Waddle? That happened. For than negative four 100%. He did have more yards. Alan Robinson had one catch today for like four yards. Outscoring Jailan Waddle.

You know what's crazy? Good a shot at Micah Parsons. You know what I also think is annoying? I don't think these like the final play, the like lateral 80 yard thing, that should not count towards stats. That's ridiculous to me. But what if you score a touchdown?

No, I don't care. It's in a different, it's like a two point conversion to me. It's like a special teams play. It should be like a two point conversion. We can't just be giving him negative 25 yards because he's like the last guy who got the lateral on a shitty play.

That's not fair. Gains some fucking yards, if anything, I think the two point conversion stats should count. I don't understand why those don't. Dude, I don't understand that either. They're like, yeah, you don't get the two yards. And I'm like, what a weird hill to die on NFL?

I know, it's like, and even in fantasy, it's like you get the fantasy points, but you don't get the yards. I don't understand it. Yeah, it's such feeling I'm doing taxes. I'm like, what the hell is this? And yet these stupid lateral plays at the end, which is unlike,

and it basically bears no resemblance to the game of football that we all know, and yet it can torpedo any stat line if one guy tries to be a hero. You sound like you had Jaylon Waddle today. Of course. And I was starting him next week. I'm going to start him.

My team sucks this week. And I'm going to start them every single week until it works. It just might work. Yeah. D.K. Yeah. We're so back. It's so over.

We're so back. The Jamis Winston experience. Today felt like it was like, oh, right. So this is why he hasn't been a starter for like three years. I remember now. Because, you know, this is a typical thing that happens like for every fan base of every team. If a quarterback is playing bad,

the backup is so much better. The backup could be doing, could leading us to wins or whatever. Tough day for backups. Yeah, it was a tough day for backups. Flacco was awful. But yeah, James Winston, 26 of 46,

235 yards, three picks and a loss to the Chargers. It was a nasty day. Some of the worst shit you've ever seen. Some of the worst throws of the year of James. So that's just kind of how it felt to me. It was like, oh, right, right, right.

I get it. I remember now. But, like, honestly, next week you might have, or actually, I think they're on by next week. But the week after that, might have a good game. You never know. It's just, he's so highly, he's like the most volatile quarterback of his generation, probably. I think, I think this was particularly primed for him to be terrible. One, the karma from him saying, I, everyone talks about the 30-pick season, but I got Lasick.

So I can see now. And then that's never say that to the football gods. And then two, John Harbaugh with the Ravens definitely told Jim Harbaugh exactly all the things they fucked up and how they could have stopped James in retrospect. So I think that we need to make that a rule. Anytime that Harbaugh brother plays a team right after the other Harbaugh played a team, that team's going to fucking win. Like we need to write that shit down.

So someone write that down. All right. We did fart or shart. Craig, did you want to talk Marvin Harrison, Jr.? Yeah, D.K. I wanted to ask if you think I need to change my shorts or if I can just kind of continue through my workday with Marvin Harrison Jr. now, who had two points today. he's had four games this year with more than 13 fantasy points

and he's had basically all of that because of one big game but the other five games he's put up 0.0.9, 4, 3, and today he had two. He does not lead his team in yards or targets. From a fantasy standpoint, he's having a worse season than Xavier Worthy, who's been like largely irrelevant this year. He's averaging less points per game than Quentin Johnston, Jacoby Myers. That's tough. And I think the other interesting part of this is that like the Cardinals are

and are playing well. They're in the first place. They're five and four. In the NFC West. This team is doing well, and it's not because of Marvin Harrison Jr. So is his two-point outing today? Are we still like these are all just farts?

Are we kind of moving into shart territory? It's a lot of farts. I mean, we're moving into shart territory, for sure. I will say he did lead the team in targets today with five. And Murray passed for a grand total of 154 yards. So there wasn't really like a big piece of piece. There was not a big pizza for which he was going to take a big slice. You can't mix metaphors with like stuff you eat and stuff you shit in Florida shirt.

True, true. Anyways, I don't know. I do think he's going to be a player that has like pretty high ups and downs. I think my new strategy is and we can, when we do the NFL draft show in the offseason as we prepare for the draft, I'm just going to fade the top guy at every position. Yeah, I think that's a good call. I'm just, Marvin Harrison, I'm good, Caleb Williams. I'll just take the next guy.

I'll just take number two. Number two, and that's, and that's shit. I think that's the thing, to your point, again, Marvin Harrison at, you know, 5.0. Kyle Pence didn't work out, Trevor Lawrence. All the generational guys suck. No, I will say the generational hit rates on, the funny part about the, the can't miss prospects is,

I would say half of a miss. Right. Should I just like right now, should I just right now like get off the Ashton Jonti band wagon? Should I be the one guy? But he's generational. Yeah, right. Yeah, but this time it's good.

No, no, no, it's actually, he's due because Bijon Robinson, he's good. He's good, but he's not great. But, no, he's really good, but, you know, they're playing more. But I will say it's like, who do you think is better, Jemir Gibbs or Bijon? Who would you rather have on your team? Bajon. Bijon. Giz.

I don't know. I didn't think about it. But I think about Bowers is good. Pits is fine. You know what I mean? Yeah, Bowers is. If you go through the generational, Jemar Jase is exactly as good as we were sold. Marvin Errison is fine.

I will say about. Marvin Harrison specifically if you need to play him. At a certain point, there's so many farts, it just smells like you shit. And I think that's the, you know what I mean? It's kind of like, you know, at some point it just smells. That's the problem. You have the covers. You're just like, you know, Dutch oven.

Yeah, he's Dutch oven. Yeah, yeah, Marvin Harrison's a Dutch oven. That's exactly what's going on here. Should that be his nickname of the Dutch oven? Marvin, the Dutch oven Harrison. Dutch oven is such a cruel thing to do. Oh no, he lifted up the sheets again. Marvin.

Marvin the Dutch oven. All right. Feeling nicy. Yeah. And for those who have no idea what that is and don't have the internet brain rot. Kai, can you play the Gruden clip feeling nicely? Sean Tucker, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Who is this guy?

Over 100 yards, 9.7 yards of carry. Rick Flair would love you. Wow. Dang. D.K., who's got you feeling nicely this week? Do I have to do the Grootidt? Yeah, I do it. Sorry. Sorry, I did it wrong. Sorry, D.K. Who? Who's got you feeling nicely this week?

Trey McBride. Three catches, 35 yards, a rushing touchdown? Hurdle the guy? Sorry, that wasn't that great. No, it was good. And I probably just woke up my son. Yeah, Trey McBride is becoming one of my favorite players like full stop in the NFL. He's so much fun to watch.

He didn't have like a huge game or anything. Obviously just three catches for 35 yards, but he did have a rushing touchdown. And just the play where he leaped over the guy, he just has, he's so smooth. Like the way he moves is, I think it's like he's one of the coolest players. Him and Bowers, I think,

are the coolest tight ends in the NFL right now. So I just wanted to shout out McBride, who is dope. Craig, who's got you feeling nicely? Chase Brown, fifth rounder out of Illinois, 120 on the ground, 37 through the air? He's doing everything. Oh, God.

All right. No, actually, though, Chase Brown's better than Breeze Hall. Yeah, yeah, it's true. That's 100%. He looks good. Like, he actually does. He looks great. Intrusive thoughts.

Just moving on. That was a good, I don't know why, but that was a good leg. All right. Next category. Intrusive thoughts. my interest of thought one, Jaguars just quietly solved the tush push today. That was a really weird game. That was a crazy, I don't know.

That was a really crazy game. Honestly, I've never said. The Jaguar scored 60, they were down 22 to nothing. They scored 16 points in 14 seconds, which was insane and they ended up losing. I think the actual way we will remember this. The Jacks just beat the Eagles on multiple tish pushes, stopped them. And then the Eagles fucking gave up. Like they stopped doing the tush push.

And I think it was a combo of lining up off sides and the rest being like, you know what, fuck it, we don't even care. And then they went around the back and pulled Jalen Hertz from behind, which I know Yeah, there was probably stuff going on in the inside and it was going on like some trench warfare. But they, they just, they had a cornerback blitz where they ran around the back, grabbed him by his haunches and pulled him backward. And it worked. You got to grab life by the haunches. Okay.

It was crazy. I was like, I don't know what think of this. Let's never say he grabbed him by the haunches. Oh, sorry. They did, though. He grabbed them around the hips and pulled them back. Just like thinking about patches of hula hand. That's exactly what happened, though.

Leave it to the worst defense in the league to figure it out. You know, sometimes when you're back into a corner, that's when you're really figured things out. My other intrusive thought is I just want to shout out between Joel and Bean and Jason Kelsey, a huge weekend for Philadelphia athletes shoving people and getting away with it. And everyone's like, yeah, good call. Because you watch the Jason Kelsey video.

I've never seen somebody like slam a phone down or throw anything as hard as Jason Kelsey through that dude's phone. Yeah. That was like a violent smash into the ground. But then you watch it and you're like, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, fuck yeah.

No one's ever going to fuck with him again, so it worked. I didn't see what Embed did. Oh, Embedd, so basically this guy wrote a column, so Embedd basically was going back before the reporter and he like shoved a reporter. And everyone's like, dude, you can't shove a reporter. What could this reporter possibly have said?

And then it's like he wrote a column where he basically, and play this season, and he wrote a column that was like, you know, Joel Embed named his son, Arthur, after Joel Embed's brother who died like seven years ago to, and he basically was like, if you want to honor your son and the memory of your brother, you should play harder, Joel. And it's like, yeah, you know what?

You can shove someone for saying that. That's all. You totally, you can totally shove someone for saying that. But that's totally okay. So, yeah, there you go. look as Michael Thomas said you know sometimes you need to get your ass kicked sometimes you need to get your ass once

you won't do that again yeah don't do that again all right play of the day there was a lot of them this was the play of my life I've truly never seen a running back do this like I don't think it's ever been done

the Saquan Barkie the Barclay is the reverse hurdle the reverse hurdle it looked like with the they were play it in reverse or something when he did it. I have so many questions. If you haven't seen this, I don't know what planet you live on, but go look up Seekwon Reverse hurdle. My first question, and I'm curious what you think, Craig,

how did Sequin think to do this? He didn't, and that's why he's who he is. You don't think. It's operating on instinct. 100%. That is, only the people who can do that, don't think about it. The people who can't do it, think to do it. Oh, I'm going to try to do it a backwards hurdle right now.

Seiquant at all, he's the, doesn't I feel like Sequin is like even freaky or this year than he's ever been? Yeah. It's like he's like fast forwarded a little bit this year or something. I don't know what's going on, but it's like he looks more athletic than I've ever seen him. Probably because he's not getting the shit kicked out of him behind all the terrible giant's lines. You have like a decent offensive line in a good offense. Dude, that was unbelievable. A backwards.

He looks like a gymnast. At the risk, he did it. It's like a Simone Biles thing. 100%. At the risk of being prisoner of the moment, that's a top five most athletic. thing you've ever seen in football field, right? Maybe top three, like, ever in your life. Yeah.

Like, it might be number one. I think what's funny, too, is, like, you gotta go, if you just, like, watch other players try to hurdle, it makes it even better. Like, when you watch, like, you know. Backward. Yeah. It pulled it off.

The other, honestly, you know what the play, I was trying to think of what is it comparable feat of athleticism and myth-making? And the old, D.K. I don't, no offense. I don't remember if you, I don't know if you were alive for this or not. And you're going to, okay. It reminded me of Bo Jackson making that catch in center field where he ran up the wall. Yeah, yeah.

It came back down like Spider-Man. And I was like, that's the only thing I could think of that was like, if this was in the 70s, people would talk about this for 50 years. 100%. This is like one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Not kidding. Like one of the coolest plays I've ever seen. A lot of people were saying, like, this is for people of a previous generation, every time we got to watch Barry Sanders play. like this, he did shit like this.

Like that, to me, that was like the Barry Sanders of this generation. Yeah. That type of play, like, encapsulates who he is. I mean, and also, like, he made, like, three guys missed before he even did that. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. Yeah. It wasn't like the only thing he did on a run.

He was coming off like a spin move, which is why he was facing the wrong direction. Right. He did a spin move. He, like, went to do another spin move, saw that the guy was going to hit him and basically elevated backwards, jumped over the guy, landed, and kept running. I think every year the fans or the NFL media should get to vote on one player

who's really good but on a bad team to get to just go join a good team for a year just so we can see what it's like I feel like there should be one guy every year that we all get to vote on who's the good guy on the shitty team who we can actually put in a good situation eminent domain

the money ball you can eminent domain their ass that's actually really good you know write that down that's also good that's a really fun idea eminent domain a player away

like get Max Crosby off the fucking Raiders Why is it he on the lions? It was sequins for probably four straight years. People were probably saying, dude, that would be so good too. An eminent domain draft, and it's kind of like a fantasy punishment. It's like, dude, you keep coming to last.

Like, you know what I mean? The Panthers didn't get to have McCaffray. Like, that's really good. Can we talk about a couple of the other plays that happened this week, too? Because there were some insanely good plays. First of all, going back to Thursday night football, George Pickens made one of the coolest catches I've ever seen. Wait, Thursday.

That was a week ago. That was Monday at football last week. Oh, I'm conflating it. aren't I? Did we not talk about it though? You're thinking of Garrett Wilson. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, that's what I was thinking of.

Yeah, yeah. Garrett Wilson did like the jump man thing. Yeah, the jump, the football jump man. But he made like the one end of catch, got his like knee down or whatever. I think that catch was like maybe better than Odell's. I know that sounds crazy. It's interesting like what sticks and what doesn't. Like the O'Dell one was such a big deal.

He did more. Garrett Wilson did more with his feet on the play. Odell, the actual catch like getting it in his hand was, was, seemed physically impossible. Far behind his head. It was like he caught it with three fingers. But this degree of difficulty wise, like this was up there. Insane.

It was, I think people are better at catching the ball now. Like, Jordan Addison's catch tonight was crazy. Devante Smith's catch in the Eagles game was crazy. Garrett Wilson, like, all these guys are so good at this. Yeah, it was 100 game winner tonight. Man, there was like five or six really impressive one-handers just in one day or just in one week. It's kind of like shooting in the NBA where, like, you watch. If you just showed someone any NBA game right now from like to 15 years ago,

they'd be like, what the fuck is happening? Yeah, there's like seven footers pulling up for three. Yeah, it's like catching's kind of like that now because all these guys are trying to do the O'Dell catch every day. And they're just like, it's all a little insane. The other players from today, the Drake May 11 seconds in the backfield scrambling that he just threw the touchdown to go to overtime. I thought that was pretty incredible.

Josh Allen touchdown, like Josh Allen taking the lead while being tackled. mid like throw a touchdown while being sacked was pretty crazy. The Rico Dattle catch in the Dallas game. That was the worst good play I've ever seen because he completely missed it at first and then bobbled it twice and landed on his back and caught it on his back. So he made like what should have been a really easy catch into the most difficult, awesome thing you've ever seen. And the Chargers lateral, the reason that you're wrong, Craig, about not counting like yards

from the laterals is what you're saying is if the Chargers had completed. They're really cool hook and ladder and Jake Adabas had scored a touchdown. You're saying you don't get any fantasy points for that. That would suck. No, you get the touchdown. You don't get the yards. That's horrific. But it's like how you include like how to give you up the yards.

They don't even, they don't know how to do it. They don't know how to do it. No, but it's like eight people touch the ball on a 90 yard lateral touchdown. Oh, I don't know. How do you do that? I don't know. I think you just get the touchdown or not. It's like a two point conversion. They don't, you don't get the yards for that. You just get like the touchdown.

Yeah. Other one, I just have to shout at the Columbia football team playing Yale. They put up the Dwayne Wade statue behind the uprights to try to get them to fuck up. I thought that was the best idea I've ever been. I didn't like, is that the first time? I know that like fans will hold stuff up, you know, posters or whatever to like distract you. Is that the first time a stadium has like participated in that? Probably not, but like I thought it was genius.

I actually, so I have a thought. You know Steve Bomber for the clippers? They just built that whole wall behind the opposing backboard to try to mess them up. They should distribute Dwayne Wade statue masks when the heat come. And they should like have people wear the Dwayne Wade and just have like a hundred masks of the Dwayne Wade statue. Did anybody go as Dwayne Wade for Halloween? You need Wade Jones? Yeah, that's what I mean.

Bronze face. Send us pictures if you did. Jesus. I think it's too scary. I don't know if they'd allow them. Yes. I can't wear that to school. Of course.

I found myself doing the wickedly talented. The wickedly talented. Adel disease. A wild disease. Wickedly talented. Oh, my God. All right. I was going to do when we did the guys who outscored Jalen Waddle and I was going to give you a bunch of names.

There's a guy. There's a receiver on the Jags and his name's Tim Jones. And I was going to do him. His name. Of course. Of course. Tim Jones. All right.

Tyreek Stevenson, worst play of the day. I just, I mean, he didn't start today, Tyreek. No, he did not.

Yeah, you know what? Worst play of the day? Bears, again, who gave up a 52-yard draw. The Cardinals were trying to go to halftime

giving up. They were just giving up. They were 55 yards out. They handed the ball off a third down. Yeah. The most cliche, we're too,

we're too much of a bitch to take a, Neil. We don't want to try. We're going to fucking run the ball and go to halftime. And the Bears gave up a touchdown that was basically untouched Amar di Mercado. Go frogs, as guy would say. That I actually and then the Eagles, the Eagles also did Sequin scored one on a third and

17 draw versus the Jags. That was pathetic, but the Jags have actually punted out of the season already. I thought that was actually off the Hail Mary. I thought that was actually absurdly demoralizing and somehow in a way worse. Obviously, it's not worse, but it's a worse defensive play. The other one was

horrific luck. This was terrible defense. I completely agree. It's worse. Things are not going well for the Bears. Our buddy Ben Selegg tweeted that that play was the longest rushing TD given up in the last 30 seconds of a half this century. I think he said it was from

from 1970 on it. There's never been a worse. It's so, it's so hard. And then Matt Aberflus for walks off and it was like they had to do the interview right after. He was like, yeah, that was my fault. I called, I called a play for a pass. Whoops Yikes

All right And then At least they're good at owning it You know Tyreek Stevenson tweeted My bad Eberflus apologizing They have a lot of

They have a lot of practice I apologize for shitty plays Yeah so Arthur Smith Award for Coach That pissed you off Matt Eberflus Hello That was crazy

Don't know how that happened Just Matt Eberflus in general Also for having Caleb Williams In the game With like a minute left trailing by 20 And then he got hurt That was cool

I don't understand it And he was like yeah We're trying to run two minute drill Like get some get some reps in And I was like You guys are trying to make playoffs And your franchise is in down 30 He got banged up at the end

He got Nicked He got Nick twice He hurt his ankle Yeah he got hurt on one play And then the next play he got hurt again I will I just Even more I'll never understand that stuff

Like I just I'm such a proponent of like Sitting your guys the second The second the game is over worst referee moment. There were a lot. There were a lot of weird fumble six things that happened today. The Giants Washington had a weird one. The Brian Branch ejection from Detroit was weird.

But I feel like the one that I actually genuinely was like, that has to be the worst referee moment. The Jags, the Eagles Jaguars, the fumble six from Seekwan. Yeah. That the Josh Allen Hines picked up, or just sorry, it was Trayvon Walker picked up. Craig, what did you make of that play? It felt like when you, when you,

watched it live, it looked like Sequin tripped on his own and fumbled, and it was the correct call on it almost felt like the refs didn't want to admit that they got it wrong and just stuck with it. Because he was clearly nicked, he was touched, and he then tripped over his own offensive lineman's leg. But like, it was down

by contact. So the refs are, because of saying that happened to the Saints versus the Rams like five years ago, the refs now are trained to basically be like, all right, if there's a fumble, just let it play out, go score. Because, yeah, you want them to finish the play. which ironically

which they did not do in the Giants Washington game actually Bobby Wagner and Devin Sincletary racing the ball they blew the whistle seven times Bobby Wagner ignored it picked up the ball

and then they're like oh it was a fumble Bobby can have the ball and I was like what the fuck but then the Eagles Sequin thing they let it happen and honestly Josh Allen did an amazing job

with the Jaguars Josh Allen did an amazing job with their turn but like he hit Seekwan's foot and then he like fell late I don't know that was a weird one I think that's how they explained it

after the game is they said he like stumbled on his own. Yeah, I guess, I guess it's fair. He'd be a second one, you probably shouldn't fumble the ball. Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it. I mean, we mentioned Jalen Waddle, two catches minus four yards in a touchdown. I want to shout out Daniel Jones first half, zero passing yards, 50 rushing yards. And I would also write to shout out something.

I don't know if this has ever happened before. There's a bear, like in the box score, they just have summaries of drives. and the bears, there was the bears at a drive that said 10 yards, 10 plays, turnover on downs. Never seen that. 10 yards? 10 yards? 10 plays. Turnover on drought.

Turnover and downs. That was a drive. I would also like to shout out our boy, Nick Westbrook Aquine, once again caught a touchdown. This is now four straight games. Only he and Amonrae St. Brown have such an active streak. Nick West, Nick Westbrook Aquine

over the last four weeks doubling Jalen Waddle in fans he's trying to change the narrative he's no longer like the generic guy you mentioned as why your passing game is so bad is because he's the number two guy he's actually good maybe he's good sometimes it takes a while it takes five years

like we said yeah all right burn book we're going to throw some of the burn book week one we burned to Sean Watson which man that was that was a good call week two we burn Christian Kirk, week three, we burned DeAndre Swift. He immediately became good. Week four, we burned Kyle Pitts.

He immediately became good. Week five, we burned Mark Andrews. He immediately became good. Week six, we burned Travis E.N. That was a good call. Yeah. Week seven, we burned Patrick Mahomes. Last week, we burned Jail and Waddle.

That was a really good call. Do you guys have anyone in mind? We do have a daily double right here. All right. From many, many, many people. But I'm going to shout out Walter. Walter, who seem most upset about this, but he wants to burn Michael Pittman.

Dude, that is who I have. That's who I have on my list. That makes a lot of sense. I'm so done with this person. I'm so done with Michael Pittman. He had one catch for 14 yards? Like, he is beyond irrelevant in this offense. Michael Pittman is like the embodiment of like when someone's hurt,

we have to like pretend they have a different name. Like we need to call them like Jalen Walthall because the Michael Pittman messes with the fact that this person said he should be on injured reserve for the back injury, but it's going to play through it for shits and gigs? Yeah, that's a good one. Michael Pittman has basically been like holding you hostage for the entire season.

And like once every four games, he has 60 yards. It makes you think he's coming back. And then the whole flacco thing makes you think he's coming back. And then today it was a disaster. Josh Downs is just better than Michael Pittman. Josh Towns is good. I mean, Kyle and Granson had more yards and fantasy points than Michael Pittman. Honestly, like 80 Mitchell.

fucking throw in Alec Pierce like all these guys are getting more looks and are more explosive in this offense than Michael. I think, do you have anyone else? I think we should do that. No, I think that one makes a lot of sense. Yeah, Michael Pittman, you're in the burn book. Great call, Walt. Great call Walt. Do a headstand now.

Why did the guy do the headstand? Why not? Because it look cool? He didn't think about it. He just did it. If you're that good at something. Is it a reference to anything or he just did that? I don't know. Was he the original one? reference? I don't think so. Maybe. I don't know. Like the incarnate word guy. Like is that,

did he just do that because he thought it was funny or was that just like, was that based on anything? He just did that. I don't know. Is it based on the, also what is incarnate word? I don't know. So it's a incarnate. What does that mean? The word of God incarnate. Incarnate. I don't know. Incarnate means like flesh and like. Incarnate means like the physical embodiment to something, right? Like the personification of something. It's the largest Catholic University in Texas,

University of the Incarnate Word. So it's funny, I just learned this weekend that Cam Ward... It's bringing the Word of God to life. But I learned that Cam Ward, who might be the number of big of the draft, started at Incarnate Word, which means they should rebrand for, like, draft season to incarnate Ward. Oh. Release the football.

That's really good. Yeah. That should be a new combine test, as they see if you can do that thing. I got to say, pretty impressive that like Amonrae St. Brown these guys are so fucking athletic. He just like did that Willie. Imagine if you tried to

do that. I would hurt myself so bad if I tried to do any of these to like celebrations. I think my body knows I couldn't. I would like the governor checks in. You know what I mean? The governor in your body just was like no, you know, breaks. Yeah and there was like some pictures. They like were doing

I mean stiff as a board. Like they were just straight up and down. Yeah. It's really yeah. No, they're a good shape. these guys got shape. Great sense of balance. They must work out. Yeah. Thank you, D.K., thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Carlos and Kai for producing this episode. Thank you, Austin. Thank you everyone for help. Thank you, everyone for listening. Emails at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Make the case for eating buggers. We want to hear about it. We want to brace the bait.

Make the case. If you used to eat boogers and you want to explain yourself, we'll take that too. We'll take a confessional, if you will. Oh, fuck, we should do that confessional. That's a good idea for, like, the email. like for a whole range of things. Fantasy confessional.

Just you and me and everyone else. Fantasy, but we'll do fantasy confessional. That's good. That's really good. Forgive me, Father, for I have eaten boogers.

Forgive me, father, for I have eaten boogers, incarnate word. Yeah, email us fantasy confessions on anything, actually,

but also eating boogers. But also if you, but we really also want, if you still eat boogers and you want to be like, defend that, we're like, I want to hear your opinion.

I want to hear the tape. I genuinely want you to make the case. And I might be, I could be, I could be swayed of anything, really, if it's a good argument. So maybe Kai will be swayed. I mean, Craig eats raw milk. He drinks it.

Yeah. Maybe Kai will be in eating burgers. I do not drink raw milk. I had it one time. You had it one time, 20 doctors. He had so many emails. He needs to stop. It's very nice.

People are concerned for my health. People were really actually. Dude, sometimes for fun, I just Google. I just type it raw milk into the search bar of our email and just read what the doctor's to say. People need to relax. All right. It's so.

They were trying to. Oh, my. They don't want you to die. They're trying to help you. Don't drink raw milk. Don't drink one more raw milk email. Just like doctors. It's like doctors.

You get like people hospital emails. It's so fucking funny. It's good enough for Gwyneth Paltrow. It's good enough for me. No, that's not true. Oh, this is in June. She looks great.

Come on. Travis emailed us in June. Important safety advisory for, I love that no one knows which of our voices is which. They're like for D.K. If he's still drinking raw milk. Apparently bird flu jumped to cattle. Watch out.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So we're pro-pasteurization, is what we're saying. Yeah. Okay. We're pro-heeding things up really fucking hot. Pro-fluoride. K.

Yeah. Pro-fluoride. Unlike JFK, yeah. Yeah. No, he's anti-fluoride. That's what I said, unlike RFK. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, unlike, yeah. This is a really good conversation. We're having them on on Monday. We should tell everybody. He's going to do any new waivers with us. Yeah, we had Doug. Greg, can you do a RFK? K impression.

Dude, no. Raspian as fuck. Can anyone do that? Dude, wait, the story is in that Olivia doesy, and then the beams of just being like RFK Jr. But sound like a car without a catalytic converter. Dude, the fucking bear that he dumped

in Central Park, and it's like... Oh, God. Dude, this is just like talking to like... We live in a madlip's fucking era. Dumped a fucking bear. And he's like... And he, he like brought it up. Like, I'm going to get out in front of this.

Because the story's coming out. He's like, I was running late and had to go to dinner, which like, didn't you know that? Like, weren't you planning ahead? You knew what your day was, well, that was like. Anyway, I'll just dump this in Central Park and then go to dinner. He definitely got blackout with the place because I have to make a flight. And he definitely got blackout. You know what's crazy?

I think that I hope this isn't fake. I actually think that it was crazier was the follow-up story, which was he cut the head off a whale and tied it to the top of his root, like a beached whale, like a rotting whale, and cut, and his daughter said that he cut the head off a whale and tied it to the top of his car. And they drove like four hours because he wanted the skull. And it was like bleeding dead whale juice out the window. And they, and she said it was the worst smell she's ever. This is his daughter told the story.

Do you think if it was somebody cooler, though, we'd like think that was cool? Like if that was a celebrity we all like, do you think we'd be like, that's all. Like if Matthew McConaughey did that, we'd like, how he wanted to stole. Woody Harrelson. Yeah, we'd be like, that's. awesome. Oh, that's so sick, dude. Yeah. You got to be careful cutting into a dead whale. They explode.

Oh, that's true. Yeah. Brave. There's like a great, there was like a week where all I watched was like whales exploding on YouTube. Well, there was a dead whale that like washed up on a beach in Oregon, I think, and like

somebody had the good idea of like instead of I don't know how they would dispose of a dead whale now, but they decided they would just blow it up. It was like, this is so the 80s. This is what you guys were missing in the 80s, by the way, is the logic of, why don't we just blow it up? And it went, that's like frat house logic. And it like, shut up, like whale pieces like a fucking quarter mile.

Go watch that video because that's fun. Also, yeah. The well was dead for that. Follow us a sudden. Yeah. Obviously, whale was fucking dead. Just saying. It was dead before.

They exploded it. Yeah. Follow us to discrimming your fantasy football. Maybe we'll put that or on the TikTok. Maybe we'll put the exploding whale up. I didn't even get to Lauren yet. Thank you, Lord. Lord.

Thank you to cranberries. Nice. Seeing a lot of people singing cranberries these days. I think zombie. Yeah, like on TikTok and Instagram. Zombies my favorite cover. Like I think zombies is like a great litmus test for like whether an artist can do a cover. Like Miley Cyrus covering zombie.

Like I love like it's such an amazing. song and it also always hits a karaoke, if you can say it. I mean, I was going to say, that's a really hard song to hit at karaoke. The octave you got a hit. What? It's just like, yeah, it's sick. Like the Miley cover of Zombie is amazing. Also, Linger has like, has literally lingered on social media.

It's like, there's been a resurgence of people covering and like doing Linger. Great song. Yeah. Do you guys eat a lot of cranberries? I've never, I don't even know how. Yeah, I do like them, you know, like, cooked down into a sauce or something or on Thanksgiving. Like, I actually think thanks, cranberry and turkey is great.

On a Thanksgiving sandwich, it's lovely. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. All right. Goodbye, everyone. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. Fandul is offering online sports wagering in Kansas under an agreement with Kansas Star Casino LLC. Gambling problem.

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