The Ringer NFL Show - Who Is the No. 1 Pick in the Draft?

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

Welcome back to ‘The Ringer NFL Draft Show,’ the newest show on our feed. This week, Danny Kelly and Ben Solak guide Heifetz and Craig through the no. 1 pick landscape, including what the consensus, or lack thereof, is saying, as well as the major difference between each of the top candidates. We later answer some listener emails and play another round of Two Jargons One Lie. Please check out the 2022 Ringer NFL Draft Guide here! If you have any fantasy football or NFL-draft-related questions, please email us at [e-mail]. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, Craig Horlbeck, Ben Solak Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, everybody. This is Warren Sharp, NFL analyst over at Sharp Football Analysis. I want to welcome you to the ringer gambling show. Join me on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays each week during the NFL season with guests Chris Vernon, Ben Solack and Joe House to guide you through the NFL betting landscape. We'll be talking spreads, game totals, parlays, player props, futures, and much, much more. Be sure to follow the ringer gambling show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer NFL Draft Show. My name is Danny Hyfitz, and I am joined in person by Danny Kelly, Ben Solek, and Craig Horlebeck. We're in person.

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That can be like basic stuff, shades of. I tried to spice up some of the shades of, like, parts just to make it a little more fun. Give us your best comp. What is your favorite comp in the draft guide? I think probably Desmond Ritter, and I have him as Daniel Jones, but in a good way. Hallbacked episode one. But also, Kavon-Tibon, who we're going to talk about today, T-Rex and an F-14, T-Rex and Tomcat. That is a Calvin and Hobbs reference for everyone that doesn't know that one.

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People who know, no. But seriously, it's great. Go to NFLDraft.org.org. Okay, that's enough plugs. We're going to talk draft today. Simple question. Solac. who's going number one in the draft this year?

I don't know. It's a hard one. Listen, it would be a lot easier if we knew who Jacksonville's staff was, right? So the Jaguars have the number one overall pick. Sick, congratulations to them. They just hired Doug Peterson to be their head coach. But knowing Doug from Philadelphia,

Doug's a very hands-off personnel coach. So it'd be nice to read into the Doug hire as indicating a certain something, right? Like he had Jason Peters and Elaine Johnson both tremendous tackles in Philadelphia and they drafted Andre Dillard in the first round when they still had Jason Peters, like they love to invest in tackle.

But that wasn't really Doug. Like, that was Roseman, and that was the Eagles front office believing in investing in the trenches. Certainly, Doug learned from that, but I just don't think he's a very high medal in the personnel side of things coach. Tram bulky is the current general manager there.

It's very difficult to figure out what Trent Balke believes in because Tram bulky has been a lot of different places, done a lot of different things with a lot of different coaches. There's been a lot of instability in Trimbleke's career. And also there's a chance the Jaguars like hire Rick Spielman to be the executive vice president of football operations

that he's actually in charge. So we don't even know for sure that bulky is going to be the guy calling the shots in the draft room. And then like we have, we have great in this class, great offensive tackles at the top and great defensive ends at the top. Jagores don't have a defensive coordinator yet.

So I don't even know what they're doing on defense, which makes it difficult to tell you who they're going to pick. They're a very difficult team to pin down. We know who the players might be. We don't know what the first overall pick in Jacksonville is telling us yet. So we can talk about those players in general, but pinning it down is kind of conditional on a few more dominoes that still have to,

ball. Okay, so let's talk about those players in general. D.K., who is the number one player on your board? Kavon Tibado. He's a pass rusher. And... Oregon? Out of Oregon. Yeah, I think so. And to piggyback on what Solek was saying, the other thing that's interesting about this class is not only do we not know what the hell the jaguars are going to do, it's we don't have, there is no one clear-cut top player in this draft. Well, I wanted to ask. So on the first episode, we talked about how this is a bad quarterback class. Is this a bad number one pick class? I would say so, yeah. Yeah. There's no clear-cut guy. And if you talk to, and so like you can tell me if you agree with this,

like the top guys in this draft weather, it's Hutchinson, Kavon-Tibodeau. Well, Aiden Hutchinson, Defensive, Michigan. You've been a draft world. You're like, oh, you're hutch. I love my boy, Hush. I need to like, remember this. Sheet-dogging Danny Kelly. Kniffing at my heels.

There's a couple of tackles. Evan Neal from Alabama. Charles Cross, Mississippi State is probably not going to be the first pick, but he's in that mix. E. Camacuanu from North Carolina State. So there's probably like five. I think favorites to be that number one spot. However, I think if you look back on previous draft classes,

none of these guys would be in the conversation for the top pick. Really? Wow. So that's kind of the context you need. This is just not a top heavy class. It is a deep class for people that are disappointed to hear that maybe the top pick isn't like elite, elite blue chip guy. These are all very good prospects, but not typical.

This guy is the clear cut number one. He's a foundational piece for your franchise. It's more like these guys are all going to be a very good place. players in the NFL, but maybe not like typical. If you're ever asking the question, like, is this a bad blank draft class? The answer is always yes, because it's just a bad draft class. That's okay. That's just the reality is that it is a tough class pretty much.

All positions, top, like the middle rounds are great, but that's because there are just players in the middle rounds who aren't in the top, you know what I mean? Like, all together, it's a rough class. Well, here's what's weird to me. I think that, so there's an argument now about the defensive ends, and I think those are the most popular, quote, unquote, choices to go first. but there's Kavon Tibido, the pass rusher from Oregon, there's in Hutchinson at Michigan,

but there isn't a ton of agreement on who's the best at that spot. Right. So you have Tibido over Hutchinson. A lot of people have Hutchinson over Tibido. So like, where do you fall on that? Do you have Tibado over Hutchinson? Yeah. What do I want to do as a defense is a big part of it?

If you're evaluating in a vacuum is always really tough when you don't know, like, how this player is going to be deployed. Right now, Hodginson's a better player. Hutchinson understands how to rush the passer in a way that Tibido doesn't. So Hutchinson is the kid out of Michigan. It's going to be a really interesting cycle for him because he looks like a watt and acts like a watt and wants to be a lot, but he isn't one.

And if we bill Aidan Hutchinson, strong side defensive end out of Michigan, where's the eye blacked down one side of his face? If we bill him as this like tough, hard-nosed run defender, that is inaccurate. That's not the sort of player that he is. He is quick as a wink. He's super long. He's really, really good with his hands. but he isn't a power rusher.

He's a guy who wants to get into the phone booth with you, right? He wants to close space on you. He wants to make you freak out as a tackle. Once you throw those hands, once you throw your weight forward, once you stop getting into your set, then he's going to slip you. He's going to make you miss. He's going to get to your outside shoulder. He's going to get to your inside shoulder.

And he can rush both sides, which is really nice. And then he can finish those rushes because he understands how to clear your hands. He's got good hand usage. He's got enough bend to get around that corner. And he's got a really big tackle ready. So you can finish with the quarterback. But this is very much so a more of a finesse russer than a power. You wish that he was better at using his length to generate power and to push tackles back into the quarterback.

And the reason he struggles with that is because he's very upright. He's a great athlete. Bruce Feldman had him number two in the freaks list. It's going to run a 654-3 cone. It's going to vertical jump 36 inches. Incredible. But the reality is he plays upright. He does not play with, we talk about knee-bend, right?

We talk about hip-sync, the ability to get that lower half down into the ground and have leverage. Get your pads underneath the other guy and then uproot him. Hodgson is an upright dude. He gives you his chest. He plays tall. He's six-five. And so when he goes to rush with power, when he goes to, you know, he's going to get like a split zone blocker

or going to come crack him out of the C gap, he's up. And so he's getting moved. He's not moving guys. And so he is much more so a finesse, detailed style rusher than I think a lot of people want to bill him as. That's to his benefit. You should be able to draft Hutchinson and get six sacks out of him tomorrow. And then six, seven sacks as a rookie is, that's the bar for like first round players.

That's what you're expecting. So as a pass rusher, he's developed. As a run defender isn't that great, I don't think you're ever going to get to teach him how to play lower. So it's like a decent... But why not? Why can't you teach him to play low? That's a flexibility thing.

And flexibility is really tough to get out of guys, right? So if we start to fold Tibido into this conversation, you watch 10 snaps of Hutchinson and 10 snaps of Tibido and you can tell one guy's a different cat is a different caliber athlete

in the lower half, and that's Tibido. Because when Tibidow gets into his stance, man, when he gets in out of his first step, you could take the name plates off, take the numbers off, take a guy who's watch some football, sit him down and say,

who's the NFL prospect? And they go, probably that giant freakazoid who's running four inches off the ground, right? Like, Tipido has, he had a rep against Cal. He's parallel to the floor and he's still running, right? Like, it's unbelievable how low he can get to the ground to retain his balance.

Hodgison is upright. And that just, a lot of Hodgson's best reps, I'll put it to you this way, we're taking college tackles, what they're bad at, what college tackles are always bad at, which is balance, patience, right? Feeling controlled, feeling settled, feeling comfortable, and exposing that.

That's not as easy in the NFL, right? you started going up against guy who's been doing this for 10 years, he's got high caliber athletic system, and he knows that he can just sit in his past set, and if you try to beat him with power, you won't be able to, they're not going to throw hands. They're not going to lunge forward. They're not going to give you that window

that Hodgson wants to take advantage of. And so there's a little bit of a limit in terms of the athletic ceiling. Hodgson is a better player now. He's a better pass rusher now. But in terms of his athletic limitations, Tibido does have a higher ceiling. And that's why I think people like Tibido is the first overall pick. This is why it's such a hard decision to make, too,

because they're very different style players. So one does higher, floor, lower ceiling, and then vice versa for the third. Not just that. They've different, what do you mean different styles, Dika? Like, they're completely different players, basically? I mean, I think just, honestly, just from a aesthetic point of view, like, Tibito plays low. He's like, you know, he almost looks kind of small because he plays low. He plays with the low center of gravity.

He's kind of like a bendy guy. Super Gremlin. And that's the football thing, right? Low man wins, generally. Yeah, correct. Also, this is, I think, something that draft Twitter and just the draft analysis world is going. to like disagree on. I've seen multiple people say he's not very bendy.

When I was watching him, I thought he was really bendy because like what, what, so like said is like he plays low. He can dip his shoulder, get in to the pocket from the outside. He can so like he can dip under a block. Yeah.

And like just beat a guy that way. Which style of guy has the best track record in the NFL? Tremendous question. No real answer. It depends on how good you are at it, right? Keep asking them though. Yeah. That's amazing.

And that's the thing is like, we talk about Timberdo is this like bendy play. And Bend is such a difficult thing to conceptualize and such a difficult thing to understand. But the best way of describing it is you're watching like a boxing fight, right? You don't watch boxing at all, but then it's like a cool fight so you watch it.

And these guys are slipping punches like two inches from their head, right? And they go and they play it back like, you know, quarter speed slow motion. It's just incredible like how these punches are an inch away and these boxes are dipping and diving. They know the combinations and they know the timing they're just able to make all these punches miss.

That's Tibido. Tibido gets up in space with you and you go to throw a punch in him and then he's just gone. What they call it is, you know, here's some jargon, I'll put it in the jar. Reducing surface area. The jargon. Yeah, the jargon. When you reduce surface area, you're showing a tackle.

This is my chest, right? Hit it. And then when they throw that punch, all of a sudden, you tilt those shoulders and you drop those hips. And all of a sudden, there's just way less of you. Yeah. When that tackle misses, now can you at that weird body angle, get your cleats in the ground. We talk about ankle flexion, hip flexion, and be able to finish this corner. Get around that tackle. Get your toes point to the quarterback and finish. And Tibido does that in a way that Hutchinson never will be able to do. that feels higher ceiling. That feels more translatable. If you can get the rest of Tibido built around that, 10 sack of your guy, tremendous.

But what Hutchinson does right now with his hands, Tibido so desperately needs and so desperately lacks. Tibido can take a hard corner, a difficult tackle, and get around him because he's a freakazoid athlete. Hutchinson can take that corner and make it softer, make it easier to get around, and then with his lesser physical ability, still get the job done.

So two different ways to skin and cat. But having said all that, you still said that these guys, well, D.K. said that these guys wouldn't be in consideration for like a number one pick. So look at just like the last five years of like defensive and like who's gone in those top five. We got like Miles Garrett

when number one of the Browns. Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa, Bradley Chubb, Chase Young. Where do these guys compare to like those guys in terms of defensive and prospects?

I'd probably say like right after that. So like the Boas Brothers, I think brought more power and a little bit more bend. Miles Garrett is like a once in a generation athlete. Like he's just like what we're talking about Tibido can do in terms of bending.

it does with an extra like 15 pounds. It's like, yeah, it's not. Um, so that's, I think what makes it difficult is because, like, he, these, these guys, I don't think so Hutchinson's going to get compared to the bosses, the Watts, because he's white and he's a big, you know, tall power rusher type. Football guy. And he points at the tackle and then, like, knocks him over and it's like, yeah. He's like, super intense on the field, which teams absolutely love.

And honestly, that's a good thing to have because it can up the intensity of your entire defense. All that stuff is great. And, you know, that's something that teams are going to want. However, I just don't think he's, on the same caliber of Russia at this point in time. I think he's going to be really good. I comped him to

like a souped up Max Crosby. I also comped him to like a Marcus Davenport or something like that or I've seen that one. Some of the tools are there. Kind of have to like refine them and everything. When I watch Hutchinson, my first impression was, yeah, I don't think he's on

the same level as like the Boses or the Watts, but I'm pretty damn sure he's going to be a really good pro. That's kind of like how it works. And so, I don't Safe is D-line. Like a D-Lyman as a pick generally in like the top five. Do they usually work out? So again, it's another really good question.

Yes, it's a safe pick. And that's because typically there's a, when you have, like, defense line is a position where if you have one cardinal trait, you have like a sick first step. Somebody somewhere, Jim Schwartz, is going to be able to get you to do something for them, right? Like Arden Key is in San Francisco right now. After going to the third round pick,

busting with the Raiders, you know, didn't know what he was doing at LSU, like had bad character concerns, whatever. get him to Chris Cosserick, right? The Devin's the line coach in San Francisco, and Cosworth is going to put him in a gap and say get as far up field as you freaking want. And Arden Key was huge for the Niners this year.

So when you're like a, when you have a Cardinal trade at the defensive line, you can be a havoc wrecker, right? You can be a disruptor. It doesn't work as well at like Corner. Corner, you need to have like seven above average trades so you can deal with a variety of receivers. Devens align.

If you do one thing well, we can get you in that one thing and we can make a work with that. Can I ask you guys a stupid question? No. No. So, Tibido, number one, Which one?

Who are you asking? Solick's new here. He's got to get it. So Kvim Tibbita was the number one prospect in high school in the country, right? He's a defensive end. Why did he go to Oregon? So he's very big on life after football, which is a cool thing. He talked about it a lot when he was a high school recruit.

He's talked about it a lot during his time in Oregon. He made waves when he told, who is Greg McElroy? Is that the guy? I think it was Greg McElroy. Like, yeah, no, he told Joel Klaught. And Greg McElroy got mad about it, yes. But he was talking about it. how he didn't want to go to Bama and he wanted to go to Oregon because of the academic

difference. And he was basically just like, dumb kids go to Alabama. That's not what he said. That was the general vibe between the lines that he was giving off. Go ducks, baby. Yeah, yeah. And so that was a very important thing to him. Oregon also, like, this is the prime Mario Cristobal area of recruiting, right? Like, we got to remember before Tibito, there was Pentee Soule.

Pentee was a really, really, really high caliber recruit. Now, he was, you know, West Coast and he had that background. That was kind of Oregon's backyard. But it was, Oregon did a really, really good job recruiting. They have incredible facilities. the Nike connection, which matters to Tibido as well. He's talked about that. Like, these things make Oregon a really good recruiting place. Like, Christopal had success there. And to that point, like, there's concerns with Tibido

in terms of how he's going to develop because he was a little bit better, I think last year than he was this year, any of the ankle injury. There's concerns about whatever. Like, you know, Tom McShay had a quote about him, like, his practice habits. Yeah. Yeah. We've just, we've seen now enough of these guys come out of Oregon where they're just like Herbert, Sewell, like, they're just like nuts athletes that Oregon never really like fully developed. And then they come to the league and they just start kicking butt. And like, to me, Tibido is, I would be comfortable putting Tibido in that bucket where I'm like, all right, I can't teach a guy to do that. So I'm going to get you into the building.

And then I'm going to believe that NFL coaching is a huge difference between whatever you got at Oregon. And that's going to lead to rapid improvement in your one. Based on the way you guys talk about Tibido, I feel like if he'd been wearing an Alabama jersey in college, this is not a question. It's possible. He would have been playing next to Will Anderson. So he would have been the second best edge rush running. his team, but that's a 2023 conversation. Yeah, push that down the road.

Kick that one down the road. The other thing I think that's interesting is, Timbado kind of reminds me in a few ways of Brian Burns as a prospect. So like when Brian Burns was coming out. Where did he, Brian Burns goes? Florida State. So he was rushing at like 220 pounds in college, but you could see the athletic traits.

You could see the suddenness and you could see some of the ways that he wins. He's got like these burgeoning pass rush moves. He just needs to refine them. Tibido's not the same player necessarily, but he reminds me in terms of the movement skills and the suddenness and explosiveness. And I will say, Oregon has Tibida listed 258. He's bigger than that.

He's built like a well-built young man. Okay, so those are the D-Ns. We have no idea which of them the Jaguars will go with because they just hired their head coach and they don't really have a staff. So the other people in contention for the number one pick are the offensive linemen, and their offensive linemen

or offensive linemen but before we even get into that, I'm curious, if these prospects, the defensive ends and the tackles were, I don't know what it means, but equally good. Yeah.

Would you rather, because all the teams in the top, the Jaguars, the Texans have the third pick, the lines have the second pick. They all need every position, basically. Right.

So assuming, like a draft like this where there are not great quarterbacks at the top, obviously you would take a great quarterback number one. But if you're talking, you have a quarterback set like Jacksonville does, would you rather have an offensive tackle to sit there for like 10 years

and be like maybe a Hall of Fame or which other like a Hall Fame caliber defensive end if you're going to like start a franchise and scratch. I was going to ask the same question. What's the most sought after position other than quarterback for a starting franchise? I think it's edge. I think it would be an edge rusher. And you could make the argument in the Jags specific case that they should take a tackle. In fact, I would make that argument. I think they are better off protecting their investment

in Lawrence and just going forward and trying to build around him a good offense is going to be a trump card over a good defense. Most teams, I think, would say, like, in a vacuum, an elite edge rusher is going to be more valuable. And I think that's typically shown up. In fact, I think the first, like, a tackle taken first overall hasn't happened since, like, 2013 or something like that. So, yeah, 2013 was last tackle taking first overall as Eric Fisher. Before that, Jake Long in 08, and then Orlando Pace in 97. So it's rare.

Yeah. So since 97, so is when I was born. there have been three positions taken with the first overall pick, three total tackles, four total defensive ends, and then the rest of them are quarterbacks. But does that make sense, though, basically, if you have a quarterback set,

think of the Jaguars, they have Trevor Lawrence. I get, in theory, oh, you get another defensive end, you've got your quarterback and someone who can get after the other quarterback. Don't you want to just protect Trevor Lawrence? Like, why isn't that the priority?

I do. I think so. Yeah, so I think, right, once you say we have the quarterback, it's absolutely tackle. And if you look specifically for Jaguar's contracts right now, Jaguars had like a steady line in the late 2010s. They had Brandon Linder, Andrew Norwell, like AJ Can.

Those guys are reaching the end of their contract. That's their starting offensive line. Yeah, but I'm saying like those guys started for them for like five plus years, right? They drafted Juan Taylor, drafted Cam Robinson. And when we talk about offensive line play, we often talk about, again, like going back to that defensive end corner construction, offensive line, if you have the one elite guy, or if you have like three elite guys and two bad guys, you have a bad offensive line. Yeah.

Because the defense line knows who the bad ones are, and we're going to hit them. We're going to ignore the other guys. So offensive line is a place where you want to have five above average starters. And those become force multipliers. It drastically increases the value of your offensive line versus defensive line. All right, if we have three average players and one stud, we can get havoc out of that. So the value at like the top five of like a star defense event versus star tackle, the star defensive end is more valuable in a vacuum because his one role creates more havoc on defense than the one tackle solves for you on offense.

Because you can just avoid that tackle in theory. With that said, if you have a line that you like, you know, you get the thing about where San Francisco was before they traded for Trent Williams. They had a generally good line. They had Mike McGlenshy. You know what I mean? Top 10 pick, attack.

We're right. First round picks on it and stuff. But then they add Trent Williams and like, you know, and then added Alex Mack this year and really felt like they established and they locked down their line. They had like five good starters. They were wrong. Daniel Brunskill was a problem.

But that was the theory behind it, right? It's like you kind of want to plug that last gap with the top tackle. As opposed to a defense venue, you can just take one and hunt right away. So the offensive line's like a chain and you can have like some master lock, but if there's one weak link, that's no Bueno. Great way of thinking about it.

Defensive line, it's like a basketball team where like one star player actually raises the ceiling of the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. I think there is the thought, though, that if you have a bad left tackle, that's like hard to scheme around, you know. I think that's dying out a little bit, I would say,

right? We got an email about that. I'm just going to skip, I'm just going to read this great email from Joseph who said, email's at ringer fantasy football at gmail. Joey.

Joey. Email us for your fantasy football, gmail.com. If you have any draft questions, we're going to be reading draft questions. Joey questions. Some of them will be weird, Joey questions. And Joe writes, like, I've always understood why left tackle is so highly valued. You want your best pass rusher coming from the blind slide. But I've noticed stud pass rushers rushing off the right tackle now.

And he says, I'm a Saints fan who watches Cam, or sorry, I'm a Falcons fan who watches Cam Jordan on the Saints, destroy the Falcons right tackle, Caleb McGarry twice a year. So why are right tackle so undervalued? I get why left tackle is more important but shouldn't right tackle be a higher priority. Yeah. So firstly, doesn't matter who is rushing. Caleb McGarry. Caleb McGarry is going to destroy it.

So you didn't have to specify Cam Jordan there. Damn. But, right. Catching strays over here. The theory was... Hope he's not listening. I know. Caleb a fan?

He's not anymore. The theory was that you have a right-hand of quarterback. And so he's got his eyes naturally the right side of the front side. The left side of corner that becomes his blind side. Shout out Sandra Bullock. Shout out of Michael Or, shout out the blind side. And so your left tackle...

Shout out the movie. Your left tackle becomes more important because the quarterback is not going to see a rusher winning from that side, as he will seeing from the right side. With that said, the more we do rollouts, the more we boot, the more we run play action, and we need to be able to run boots to the left as well, especially because those are really valuable.

The less this becomes a problem, the quicker the ball comes out, the less tackle pass protection matters, and the more guard and center pass protection matters, because that interior pressure is going to hit a lot faster than pressure off the edge. So in general, yes, left tackle is more valuable than the right tackle. But the league has spent 10, 15 years finding solutions to this problem, to the point where if you don't need to build as a team saying, all right, our left tacklers to be our elite pass rusher and our right tackles to be like our double team run blocker anymore, we just have such a variety of offenses now that that just doesn't hold water on a league scale anymore. It can still apply for like one specific team if that's what you're building for.

But in general, I would say it gets over-vamped as a notion now. Okay. So with all that said, let's get to the specific tackles for this year's class. DK. Again, shameless plug. I'm going to keep doing it. NFeldraft.com. We've got DK's whole big board up there, top 32 players. Please check it out. It's really great. You can do it right now. You listen to your phone.

NFLDraft.com. Who are like the top tackles we need to know for this year? And then I'm curious who you're like best tackling this draft is. And how do they stack up against previous? Like where are they in terms of like the last few years of O-line draft classes? So the top three guys right now in any given order are Evan Neal from Alabama, who is a behemoth. 6'7, 360, maybe more than a healthy young man.

And he was another one of the five-star top-ranked guy in his recruit class. Like, everybody wanted this guy. He's got solid athleticism for being how big he is. So he's basically like, I would comp him to like a Mackay Bechtin. Like he's just larger than life. He's the biggest guy on the field by far. And then you have E.K. McQuanoo from North Carolina State, who's made a big rise this year. He's sort of medium size.

He's big, obviously. He's definitely not undersized, but he's not as big. Yeah, exactly. This is like the Goldilocks tackle class. He got Kahnoo, who's sort of the middle range, very athletic, plays mean. He has a mean streak. He goes and he's very good in the run game. He goes and looks for work.

He's got like so many pancakes on tape. He's throwing guys things like that. Pancakes on tape. That's good. We got to put that in the jargon. You're burning all my jargons. I'm trying to not use them so I can say them. later and you guys won't recognize them.

Also, pancake, Pancake's one of the jargon says that's great. Everybody knows that one too. Pancakes a fantastic one. Yeah, yeah, we all know about pancakes. Flatback. And then, so he's making some, he's rising a lot.

Like, he could be the top pick, yeah. And then the third guy is Charles Cross, who is sort of the lighter end. He's listed at 305, so he's like, not small by any means. He's from Mississippi State. Mississippi State. But he has more experience past blocking,

playing in an air raid offense. They play with like wide splits. So he's just pass blocking all the time, not really known as a run blocker. So there's some question marks there. Quantu, on the other hand, is more of a run blocker, a little more raw in pass pro. And then I would say Evan Neal is sort of a combination of all of them. He's good in both areas. In fact, he's played multiple positions for Alabama.

But I wouldn't say he's as good in either spot. You know what I mean? Like, Aquano is a better run blocker in my mind. So Aquano's, Aquano from NC State is a good run blocker. Yeah. And we don't know about his pass blocking. It's not as refined. Okay.

Charles Cross. is from Mississippi State. He's good pass blocker. But we don't know his run blocker. The question mark is, yeah, can he run block in NFL? And then I'd say that Evan Neal, who is massive, is more

well-rounded in both. And he can play multiple. He can play three positions. He played left guard, right tackle, and left tackle for Alabama's starter, like, three years. One of the nice things about playing on that Bama line is just inevitably you end up playing three different positions because there's so many talented players, like to get your way on the field,

you just play left guard your first year. How much does that actually matter? he's going to play. You're drafting to play left tackle. So I guess obviously pass blocking, I'm guessing he's more important than run blocking, but which is easier to learn? Like, is it easier to teach a great pass blocker run blocking than the other way around? That's a good question. I would

say it's easier to learn how to run block and pass block. Just simply because run blocking is more of a natural state, right? Think about like when we talk about play calling, right, who always wants to run the ball of the offensive line? They get to go be the aggressors. They go forward. So I'm already confused. I'm already confused. Okay.

All these mock drafts that are coming out, all the big boards have a Kwanu higher, like around higher than cross. I've seen Charles Cross going top five. I've seen him going outside the top 20. And he's the past blocking guy. But he's the one who's the best of pass blocking?

But why, who do you have number? So I would say like, you know, if we say as a general idea, like it's easier to teach run block than pass block, on a player level, it's like how does a player learn? You know what I mean? You can say that as like a larger concept, but like you have to sit down with a Kuanu,

sit down with cross and get a feel for, what's their disposition? How do they learn? Have they been taught X? Have they been taught Y? Like to me like, that's like, You can say, like, oh, it's easier to teach run blocking. But then to know if you can actually teach a guy, you've got to, like, meet him and, like, talk with him.

And, like, put him on the board and, like, experience whether or not he learns. And, like, you said, like, you know, different teams want different skill sets out of their, like, offensive linemen. So, like, not every team is viewing these three guys in the top five do you think would prefer each of these guys? Oh, I mean, look at the top five. Well, well, again. Well, so like does that. I want to know who D.K. has number one on your board. Yeah, I've got. Let me check.

I got a quantum, but I have them all right next to each other. And I think that Solek will probably call me a coward for that. But that's just like, honestly, it is the Goldilocks thing. It just depends on what you want, what your scheme is, what your coaching staff values most, what your identity is. I feel like people don't think about that. Like the average fan doesn't think about, like, they just think who's the best alignment? And it's like that's not the right question. And that's like something I still struggle with.

I've been doing this now is my fourth year doing this guide. And I'm like, why do you have him ranked higher? It's like, I don't know. So I liked one snap that you did a little bit more. Much of it when you're ranking these things does it come down to like personal preference? Because we see DE next to them for defensive end. But within that, there's different kinds and the different kinds of linemen, but like, we don't think of that when we do it.

So there's two separate, the way the best framework is evaluation versus valuation, right? Evaluation is what are the traits? Are you able to identify what this player does, right? E.K. McQuant, he's 6-4-320. He's got a great bill. He's got a good hip-sink. He's underneath you. He's a physical, dominant player.

He's aggressive. Good grip strength. The tape is fun, too. I know what he does. I understand him. I've evaluated him. Valuation exists outside of that construct. Take everything you think you know about A.K. McQuano.

Think everything that you've described of him and put it off to the side. In the building, what do we care about? Like, Dan Campbell and the Lions. It's pretty clear. Dan Campbell cares about sons of guns. You know what I mean? Meekaps. Exactly.

Like, Dan Campbell... Taking hunks out of you. Like, I don't see Dan Campbell drafting Charles Cross at a Mississippi State. Not because Cross doesn't have the killer instinct, but we guys played an air raid team. So he wants like, he's not physically, Neil.

Right. So like, like, someone who's going to look good, getting off the bus, like intimidating. And not to be reductive, but like the thing on lineman world

is that pass blocking is soft because you go backward and run blocking is hard because you go forward. And like, you know, they want guys you go forward. And like,

you know, on offensive linemen, you know, world, they'll say like, you know, pass protection isn't passive, right? That's like a big, like,

you can be the aggressor. But in general, right. You're defending something. Yeah. So we were talking about in terms of valuation, right? Like, I remember my wife, Mayor, like, we just leased a new car, right? And it was like, you know, we were talking about these different options.

Let's one. Shout out. This one had, this one had, hey, everything. What kind of cars is it? A Hyundai, Tucson? There's a mini SUV. She doesn't like driving. All the bells and whistles?

Yeah. It's got a touch grade. New 22 Tucson. Yeah, yeah. Is there a promo code for the ring of Tucson? Yeah. Solek 20. But anyway, the moral of the story was we were talking about these different cars.

and my wife was thinking about like, oh, but this one costs like, you know, $12 less per month. And I was like, what do you care about? Like, what will make you happy when you're in the car on a day-to-day basis? She was like having the seat warmers. Like, all right, we're going to get them with the seat-womers. You're not going to think about $12 per month more. Money is no object to SOLAC.

No, but it's the point here saying that there's the evaluation, which is what the cars have. It's what the tackles can do. And then there's the valuation. What matters to you? What do you care about as a team from a scheme perspective, from a disposition perspective, from a personality perspective, like, you know, the chief's under,

John Dorsey and Brett Veach cycle in a lot of guys who like other teams wouldn't cycle in because they wouldn't want those personalities, right? They wouldn't want those players and those dispositions. What do you care about as a team? And that's valuation. So when we talk about players out here in the ringer NFL draft show 2022,

we're talking about evaluation. We're trying to talk about what they do. How do you rank them? Depends on what you like. That's really helpful. That actually makes so much sense because you live in Michigan and you need the seat warmers

and also you need four-wheel drive. Yeah. Craig, who lives here in L.A., does not need the retractable roof and the shiny's rims. Exactly. Because he's vain. And it's like, so it's helpful that...

Sounds like Craig. With certain teams, though, that makes sense. With the lines are going to want like a mauling lineman because they ultimately want to power through teams,

but some teams are going to want like a completely different thing. So the valuation and that's, so that's basically in a nutshell why it's hard to rank because realistically, every team when they're actually looking at their own rankings, it's like getting a card,

they won't want their own different stuff. That actually makes a lot of sense. And there's also, this whole other thing, which is that we can't see on tape, which is personality, drive, some of the things that the scouts spend a lot of time looking at, like,

the guy's work ethic and how they get along with people. Do they love football? Like, all this stuff is super important, too, that, you know, we're not going to find out that by watching his tape necessarily. I mean, sometimes it's evident that, like, Hutchinson, no one's going to worry that he doesn't love football because he's, like, going 100 miles an hour at all times.

It also feels like defensive ends and defensive linemen have more personality than offensive linemen. Oh, man. I don't, I, I'm saying to the public, I would like to state to offensive line Twitter that Ben Solac does not co-assigned this take. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You got to agree with me. Like, hell. Offensive, I'm defending offensive lineman because I was a bad.

I'm not saying they don't have the personality. I'm saying they're perceived to have a lesser personality than defense events. I would argue it's because it's the most inherently selfless, selfless position in sports. It's the least famous position probably. Yes. It's the only, it's the only position in any sport, offensive linemen, that your only job is, to protect your teammates. So there is inherently a,

it's not about me. And also they have to work together to do it. So I think that inherently, it's beaten out of you the idea of like individual credit. Like right now, everyone's talking about Aidan Hutchinson's like, grit.

Is anyone, like, I feel like the average fan doesn't know anything about an offensive lineman's like, what's his like thing, you know? Watch him, watch him, Ekemequano. You know, Ikemaquano likes to murder people. Ifa Macquano likes to take souls

from young men on the football field. But I think to your point, though, I think it's discouraged because we were talking about defensive line before it's like a basketball team where at the end of the day someone's got to go and just get the bucket. Someone's got to go and just get the quarterback. Offensive line is the opposite. Like you do a great

job. He's still a disaster. Anyway. So with all that said those are the five guys that imagine that in a boat. Those big boys, Evan Neal? I want to know what Evan Neal's in and out order is. Do you think that when all the linemen go somewhere does it mess with the weight limit in the elevator? Could his Tucson actually take five

guys? No way. Yeah. Five Evan Neal do you? Not with the bridges in this country. Sorry. That's what the line's got to do, build back better. Infrastructure. You know how you're big on a, we should all have a media combine? Yes.

I'm going to send you a video of Evan Neal at 67360 doing a split box jump. Box jumping. This is insane. Dude, it's 67360 does a split box jump. It's unbelievable. We should have like the viral combine where it's just all of them just jumping out of pools and all those things. It's just us grading the cool things they do. Speaking of that box jump thing, I think it's so interesting these days and going forward

is going to change because there's so many more there's like technological advances in exercise science. Instead of using the 40, we're going to go to miles per hour on GPS that they're tracking on the field because field fast is more important ultimately than does this guy run fast in a straight line

when he's getting out of his blocks or whatever. I don't know the exact like details. It doesn't matter. Alabama was like, oh yeah, he generates more upward velocity power or whatever. PPSI on his box jumps than we've ever tracked. And I'm like, okay. We've been tracking for three years.

His horsepower. Torque. So with all that said, who's going number one? Yeah, exactly. I think Evan Neal is going to go number one. The Alabama guy. Goldilocks. So like, you have a lot of bats.

You've already wagered a lot of money on these picks. Yeah, this is like the crotch. We've talked about five guys. We've got Kavon, Thibodeau from Oregon. We've got Aidan Hutchinson from Michigan. Those are the defensive ends. And we got Ike McQuano. we've got Charles Cross

and we got Evan Neal but you have six tickets so why do you have six bets on number one? Okay, so don't have to ask it like that well because he's a degenerate. Well, clearly he's doing quite well, I just got that new car. That's a lease though. He's like, that's why I have six bets.

Remember how I said, like the only people that have been drafted are tackles, defensive ends and quarterbacks, number one overall? Yeah, I took a corner, which was a bad decision. But I thought Derek Stingley at plus 5,000 was a ridiculous. The LSU Cornerback?

Yeah, the LSU Corner. So, 500 to 1? Yep. Yeah, so Stingley is ludicrously gifted corner. There is no alignment you can't put him in. There's no technique you put him in, which he cannot execute. And he was doing this as a freshman. He was doing this in 2019, straight out of high school at an unbelievably high level.

And then got injured, opted out, and just hasn't been the same since. And I think that... Anticlimactic into his career, yeah. There's a general quietness around Stingley, because we're... like the new thing, where I was like, when I watched all of like the top 15, top 20 players, the player who like, when I, like, you know, okay, whatever, when I like shut my eyes and I, like, dream about like getting a guy to my team. This is getting weird.

You know what? When you think about, like, we said this isn't a good class, I'm about these guys that number one overall don't stack up with number one overall, Stingley stacks up with Patrick Sertan with J.C. Horn, with those guys. Like that in terms of the physical ability. Yeah. And like, what's the highest of corners ever gone? Do we know?

Oh, it's got like two or three. Okay. Yeah. there's no way it's not too much. So you think that's definitely a possibility this year. Yeah. And that's the thing. And this is a weird year.

Yeah. I want exposure to markets outside of just tackle quarterback and edge because I think that if there's a year it's going to happen, it's going to be this year. Well, I have a question on that. So Derek Stingley basically is this top tier cornerback prospect and he was incredible with the year LSU won the championship, right? The same year Burrow was there, Jimor Chase was there 2019. And then he's been hurt and not played nearly as well since, right?

But there's been injuries so we don't really know why. also like LSU. Had Bo Polini, Fire Bo Polini, Errol-on left, like the whole House of Cards fell on LSU. Well, I guess my question is, there's, I think, six, maybe more,

maybe seven defensive starters on that 2019 LSU team were drafted in the first three or four rounds like that year. Like, so he was on, he looked great on a defense that had seven guys who were then drafted in the next four rounds.

And that hasn't looked since. So I'm not saying like he'll be bad because his teammates left, rather, how do you guys separate and evaluate a guy like that when they're surrounded by such better talent than all the other teams they're playing?

And then how do you evaluate them when all those guys leave and they don't play as well? Like, how do you actually decide if you play as well? You just ask like the big question and... Like watching like Tray Lance play against worst talent versus a guy who's, you know, an SEC quarterback. Like how do you figure that out? Yeah. I mean, a lot of teams don't

for starters. If I had to figure it. It's hard is the answer. Right. It's hard. There is no hint. In the secondary particular, it's really, yeah, the secondary particular is really tough. Because the secondary right, like the offensive line has to exist as an amoeba.

There has to be a relationship, right? Unless we're just playing straight man on every single rep. Right, exactly. And even if we're playing straight man on every single rep, like how the safety space is and how the corner spaces like that matters. And so it does, to me, indicate that Stingley is a really good player, such that when he was in that context, he was so. so good because he was supported by other players who could execute for him and that allows you as a defense coordinator to call a variety of things.

We have to remember that LSU team was coordinated by Dave Aranda. Aranda's defense is nuts in terms of the stuff that they ask in terms of the complexity right and you need to have a whole gamut of guys in order to execute and they did. With that said, Danny said the magic word which is traits.

When you're watching Trey Lance at North Dakota State, you go okay, I can only care so much about him you know throwing a guy open against a future accountant. You know what I mean? It's just difficult to get tax on that. But how fast is that ball coming out?

How accurately is it coming out? When he runs, how much faster is he than all the other accountants? Like, that's the sort of thing that you have to care about and you have to know. Also, I don't know if this makes any difference, but I kind of like the fact that he was practicing against Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. Like, where number seven? When you say it like that, that's like iron sharpens iron. I mean, come on, that is like literally maybe two of the best receivers in the NFL right now.

The Bengals should just only draft LSU players. We actually someone email us. We had someone email us and say, or, oh, Ben emailed us, not so lack of. Hello. Ben from Toronto. And he said, just draft on one side of the ball. Right.

Just do it. Yeah. Just draft on one side of the ball. Because then you cut the amount of players, you have to evaluate, and then you then have a stronger system. And you're like, that's good. We're going to be really good at office. You have an identity.

The Bengals basically did that. Anyway, so with all that said, you think Evan Neal's going to number one. You have, so Stingley is your biggest bet. Which is your favorite bet? You have all these different bets, which is your favorite one? So I have Stingley plus 5,000.

I have Hudson plus 1,500, Evaniel plus 700, Charles Cross plus 9,000, Ikam-a-Quano plus 10,000, Tibido plus 400. Aquano is my favorite ticket. Cuano 10 to 1 right now. Yeah. And he's like the favorite right now, right?

He's, of the tackles, he has the best price. Yeah. And that moved over the course of like a day, which was the 19th of January. You got a super early, though. Yeah, kind of like changed the lines because he put him in his mock draft, I believe. Right. Here's a thing.

And like, I don't, you know, I'm not going to ruffle any feathers. Of the five, Hutchinson, Tibado, Aquano, Cross, and Neal, I would put Neal as my last most likely to be the first overall pick. I don't get it. Interesting. I don't get it with Neil.

Neil is very big. His feet aren't good. And he gets away with everything by being very large. And that's a very high floor. But at number one overall, in this tackle class, with the way Cross moves and the way Aquano moves, I'm not drafting a floor.

What do you think of that, Tia? I mean, yeah, I don't necessarily disagree. In fact, I have Neil ranked the lowest. of the three tackles. I still just think the NFL for whatever reason it's going to like Neil the most. That's kind of where I'm going. The thing is, being enormous,

you can set your clock to it. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh, will Aquano develop as a pass protector? Plus the box jumps. Can Charles, right? Controls cross hang as the box jumps, guys. 6-7-360 is 6-7-360. That is hard to get around

on every day of the week. And that's why, like, you know, teams will fall back on that. I understand that. It's just, for me personally, if I'm drafting number one overall, I want ceiling, not floor. I think it's, so, and I do think,

Tibido has a good chance to go number one and Hutchinson when we figure out kind of like when Jacksonville finalizes their staff maybe then we'll know more. But we talked about all this. I still do think there's a small, small chance. It's a quarterback. And here's why, and this is the big picture.

To Jacksonville or the trade? No, no, they trade out. So basically, this is the big picture is in a class like this where there's no clear cut number one and it's a deep class but not necessarily a top heavy one, this could be a year where, and maybe it's not number one,

but just for thinking forward and picturing how the first round is going to go, two or three or four or whatever, I think it might be a little bit easier to trade up in this class because there's no like elite, elite, elite, elite talent, and teams will be looking to move back because of that and pick up maybe like an extra first next year or a couple extra seconds or whatever it be. Maybe it won't be quite as expensive as it typically is to move up into the top five

this year as it was, or as it typically as in normal classes. So there's always a chance of my mind still that Jacksonville's just like, look, we want to get, we have all these guys, we have like seven guys all graded around the same level, like let's just trade back. That makes sense. If it's a quarterback, I'll eat my hat. I know, I don't think it actually is going to be.

I just wanted to throw that out there as a possibility. We'll be careful that we had former ringer editor, Donnie Kwok said he'd eat his boot if, I remember what, he never did it. It was it. It was a soccer bat. It was Germany didn't make it to some round. In the World Cup, I think.

Yeah, yeah. Ryan O'Hanlon said, I think Germany's not going to get out of the group stage. And it was like, they were not. That was like, oh, that was a pretty hot take at the time. They were like a favorite. And Kwok was like, I'll eat my shoe. He did not eat.

No, he did not eat his boot. We wanted to have Dave Chang make him like, can you make a thing? Yeah, like, can you cook like a cleat? Is that possible? Ring right of L Josh. Sue Veed boot. Subveed boot.

So Veed. Okay. Should get the emails? Boot Veed. Yeah, let's do it. Who want, there are emails in here that are, weird and I did not put. So who put these in here? I put some of them in.

Why don't you read it then? We don't necessarily have to read all of these. I did find I just wanted... The masturbation one's pretty funny. Yeah, okay. So, pardon? That's right. Oh, perfect. It's about you too, Ben. Don't read it so lack. So, no, no, no. So, someone emailed. Grant email. Grant's Grant. Um, that here, I'll just read his email. On Tuesday, so that's how it goes,

generally. I traveled to my girlfriend's parents. My girlfriend having traveled out the day prior. Started listening to the draft pod with Ben, who he loves, by the way. Go birds. While we landed at Logan. When I arrived at her parents' house, well after midnight, my girlfriend was asleep, so I decided to keep listening on my AirPods because he was in West Coast time. I figured I'd drift off to sleep as the gang debated the career longevity of Sam Hal.

I like that we're the gang, by the way. Go team. Little did I know that Ben Solac would be bringing the heat and the one-liners, taking the already funny fantasy football show to an 11. Before long, I was struggling not to laugh out loud. I started doing that stifled giggle thing that happens when you don't want anyone to know you're laughing. by the time we got to Will Greer on a scooter,

I was pretty much in silent convulsions. Biggest winner of episode one, Will Greer. On a scooter. One of the airtime for Will Greer. The next morning we wake up and I'm telling my girlfriend about listening to the pod. She's super enthused.

I can't tell if he's being sarcastic with that or not. I think she is. She really wants to hear about this podcast he was listening to. The gang. And he gets to the silent laughter. I kid you not. She says, oh, I thought you were masturbating.

convulsions she says apparently she thought I was stress relieving with no abandon oh my god I like that she didn't call him out on it yeah like an understanding

like that's cool if he wouldn't say anything that morning the rest of her life should have been like oh yeah he was just trying to get to sleep that's fine

stressed out traveled to my my parents house girlfriend's parents' house after a long day of travel what a laid back GF

I know right so do your parents like listen to podcast. Oh, yeah. Well, maybe not 50 minutes in. Yeah,

hopefully they haven't made it. Oh yeah. They don't love me that much. You know, I didn't think about it like that. And then I thought, I thought this one was funny. This is like nothing to do

about anything, really, but I posted a picture of myself in a Reese's t-shirt the other day because I was on it. We were unable to go to the Reese's senior ball, unfortunately, but I said, I had a Reese's T-shirt.

Okay. I posted it. And Brandon says, Brandon. What's up? Brandon. He goes, I just saw a D.

D.K.'s picture with a Reese's shirt on Twitter. I wanted to share my experience with that same shirt. We all have that. Everybody's got a favorite Reese's shirt story. I wore it to class one day, freshman year of high school. This was the only time I had ever worn the shirt to school, and it was the last time. We had a guest speaker in health class the day I wore the shirt.

She called on me to read and referred to me as Reese. Everyone laughed. I thought that was the end of it. Next semester rolls around and she shows up again in health class. I was not wearing the shirt, but she still called me Reese. From there on out, I was referred to... She remembered next semester? It was a guest speaker

You're like that one dude She came back Rees From there on out I was referred to as Reese by everyone that knew me It lasted all four years In high school Because he wore a Reese's t-shirt

I wonder if he burned that shirt before college Wow Absolutely not I'm not kidding it was my favorite shirt in high school Yeah like a beautiful Patagonia fleece He was like no not again Not again I won't be called Patagonia

He removes all brands from it He just wearing plain white t-shirt Just picturing the Reese Bobby. Hell, Rick, that was hot when I said that. Okay, wait. Now it's time for America's favorite segment. Yes.

Two jargons, one night. Oh, yes. All right. Last week, I played easier on you guys. This one's getting easier. Yeah, Hyattis and I want to know right now. Yeah, so explain again. There's a lot of draft jargon.

Yes. We have the jar again where we're going to, every time, but just to... The jar. Get it. Sollack is going to give us two real things of draft jargon every week and one fake one. And Craig and I have to figure out which one is the one he made up. Hit us. Are we ready?

All right. I can't wait. Matrix mover Christ Glass eater Cow on ice A cow on ice Cat on ice

Matrix what Matrix mover Matrix mover So like picture Glass eater We get to ask No hints No hints

We get to ask What they mean right Yeah Or no Sure I don't know Maybe not It's our fake I don't know

What the rules are That's not So Matrix mover Glass eater Cal on ice Cow on Ice I want Craig

to go first here Cow and Ice sounds like it makes sense, but I also, I think that's one that Solac would think that we would think it makes sense. This is what worked for you last time. The one that most seemed like it would make sense. I know for fact one of them is real. Which one?

I know that Glass Eater is real. That's definitely real. You guys, I feel like you can't talk about this. Okay, also the fact that D.K. like described to me, like, he immediately was like, oh, Matrix, think of like this. Would he have done that if that was the fake term? No, I don't think he would. I think...

I'm just going to not. What do you think Cal on ice? He makes sense for... Because he said Evan Neal had bad footwork, and that's... I feel like what you would say, if alignment is bad footwork, I was cow on ice.

It sounds the most real, which is why I think it's the fake one. But Matrix Mover... No, because here's the thing. I'm gonna... You think it's Matrix Mover? That sounds the most made up to me. You know why?

All these scouting terms are 40 years old, and the Matrix isn't old enough for it to be a term. And cows have been around for a very long time. Cows are so old. The beginning, man. Emails at ringerfantasyfutball.gum.

Remember when someone told that sharks were older than trees. That was crazy. I want to know how cows are. Oh, I don't like that at all. There's no way any new draft terms have been invented because Solac, who's like 14 years old, still uses the term in a phone booth.

He's like two years younger than you and you're like this young whippersnapper. Lock me in. Matrix Movers fake. Well, can we be on separate sides or do we have to come to a consensus? I think Matrix Movers, there's none of these terms have been reinvented.

You don't think we have to do it? No, we can be different. I think Matrix Mover, because that means it's new. I like everything about what you're saying. I'm going to go with cow on ice. All right. Drum roll or whatever. Sound effect you want. Hyphids twins.

Matrix movers made up. Cow on ice is not particular for Evan Neal, but any thing about somebody that has terrible balance, right? Any sort of contact would knock him over, send him reeling. That's a cow on ice, right? The cow ain't got knees. Cowan got toes. You hit a cow on ice?

That's when he's moving. They don't think. They did have like ankles. No, that's a thing because it's like a senior. High school. Cows have knees. Hold on quick Google. Do cows have knees? Well, no, it's like a senior high school thing. Like senior day people do pranks back when people went to school in person and like you bring a cows can go upstairs but they can't come down. The joints on a cow's leg that look like their knees are the equivalent of wrists and their ankles and their hind legs. So they don't have like human knees. They're all right. They're found at the top of their hind legs. And are usually referred to as the stifle joint. I'm like that same thing as you are. All I know is this cows can go upstairs where they can't come down. And it's like a senior high school prank is people will bring a cow. the second floor. And just leave it there and it can't. Or there's the joke, the senior prank,

where you bring three pigs to a campus and you number them one, two, and four. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a classic one. Yeah. That's the worst. The best one I ever heard that. That got me.

One of my friends' moms was a teacher at a different school in a different district and she said, like, one kid, right when they put in like a PA, like a new system, figured out how to hack into it, crawled into the ceiling, and like rewired it and controlled the PA for a full school day. That's like some Ferris Bueller's shit.

If you have good senior pranks also emails Did anybody here have anything good? Nope I don't remember Our senior prank we just took a day off of school And we didn't tell anybody That's gotcha Really lame

Well I was like senior ditch day But we just chose our The day we wanted to do it And it kind of confused people But what are we gonna do We're gonna like spread mayonnaise all over the locker I don't know Yeah the thing is you gotta do something

That like realistically The old mayonnaise of the locker We don't want the Stodian stuff to clean it up Because then it's just a dick move Exactly. You're just creating work for this nice person. So you have to like, what are you going to do? Burned, well, we burned down the Snackjack.

Cool. I worked in the Snackjackjack. Did you really? Yeah, it was awesome. It was the best class I had. It was a class. Yeah, it was like a business class. We ran the Snack shack.

We had to like do the books. We had to do everything. That must have been tough. Which was weird because hopefully none of my former teachers are listening. We like gave away so much. I figured. Dude, I was in leadership. I was the treasure of my class.

Yeah. You were in charge of the money? Yeah. Dude, leadership is like, and we were a big school, we had a lot of school spirit. Leadership is, you basically just, like, paint posters. That's what it is. You're like, plan prom. It's a microcosm for the democratic process, Craig.

I got a kicked out of National Honor Society because I didn't do whatever. You're supposed to, like, do things. What did you do? How did you get the memo? You're supposed to, like, do, like, activities and, like, attend things. I just didn't know that was a thing. You just wanted the cloud? At the end of, well, no, I didn't even want to be there.

At the end of the year, they sent me an email or like a letter, and they were like, if you don't do the things, you don't get to wear whatever, like the task like graduation. I was like, okay. I don't think it missed. Don't you threaten me. This is a story I kind of forgot, but now that I'm thinking about it is messed up.

I took a class two on high school that was like, hey, like pitch a business thing. And I was like, I want to sell bacon egg and cheese sandwiches in the comments, like in the main area before school. And we just go and pick them up and bring them over. That would do well. I would imagine. I was like, this is easy money.

Like every kid will want like that in school. And then I went through all this. I pitched it to the principal. I was like, let me do this. And they came back and we're like, we love this idea. But we have a contract with the company that does the kitchen. And we actually, they are the exclusive provider. And then two weeks later, they started selling the sandwiches.

Wow. They didn't let me do it. They did it. They took some of my own business. I was back to say, just a little guy. You're learning. Small local business right now, you guys. It was unbelievable.

My final. Snack Shack story, I was so pissed because we gave away so much food. We did some terrible things. We were not good business people. I learned a lot in that class. I mean, we, you know, you learned a few things. Shamed off the top. Like, we were just doing it. Right off.

We were being not very good at this class and running this business into the ground. The one thing we got in trouble for, there was a hole in the ceiling that we didn't make, and I got in trouble for that. After all that. What was your punishment? I don't remember. Nothing. Fixed

fix the ceiling. It was like one of those like cardboard like, you know, DK was a little, little scoundrel, I feel like. Just giving away free stance. Scoundrel. All right. I think that's all we got. Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail.com. Emails for, I don't know, high school senior pranks, weird classes you took. Actual questions about the draft are also cool. Yeah. And we'll be back on. We're compiling. We'll back on Thursday with our fantasy show. We're doing worst bets for the Super Bowl. We're going to do a Super Bowl reaction show on Fantasy Feed. And then after that, it's

officially draft time. Tuesdays and Thursdays. We're coming you through the end of April with the draft. It's awesome. We're really excited. This is really fun. Also, check out DK's draft guide, NFLdraft.orgia.com. I prompt, please check it out. It's nothing like anything you've seen. It works on your phone. It's cool. We built it for your phone. It's fantastic. You can listen to our pod while you're

perusing the site. Yes, you can. Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Solek. Thank you, Mike Wargown for producing this episode. Thank you to Ben Solex's parents, Mr. Solek, for dealing with his very strange co-workers. I apologize for weird things that we said.

And lastly, Thank you, Lord! Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Lupe Fiasco. Oh, I used to effing love Lupe Piasco. How could you give up on it? Well, I guess I don't really know, is he releasing music lately? He is, I believe he has like some very complicated stuff like his releases and everything.

He's been, but like hip-hop saved my life and like all that. I thought he was like one of the best like pure rappers and lyricists when I was in high school. I thought he was incredible. Loved Lupeg. He's definitely a guy that, like, I think that he's in this, he's Kid Cuddy-esque, but Kid Cuddy has this, like, lasting thing.

Joe Burroughs talking about Kid Cuddy this week and, like, making him a thing. And people know Kid Cuddy's influence. Kid Cuddy was in that, like, Travis Scott thing in Fortnite. And then Lupi Fiasco was like, almost bigger than Kid Cuddy, but has disappeared.

He really has. Maybe there's something to do that. If you guys know what's up with Lupin Fiasco, let us not. Laver. I feel like this was my most successful. This was like the last album that I really knew about it. Yeah.

And then I haven't heard since. And that was a long time ago. But yeah, hip-hop saved my life. Great song. Check it out. Goodbye, everyone.