The Ringer NFL Show - Wild-Card Recap: Cowboys and Eagles Bust, Stroud and Love Edging on Greatness

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

The guys recap the wild-card round of the NFL playoffs, starting with the Eagles' and Cowboys' collapses. They also discuss the C.J. Stroud and Jordan Love coming-out party and how this was a good week for haters. Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out theringer.com/RG to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens and Jack Sanders Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Danny Kelly and Craig Horlebeck, super wildcard weekend. For all my SpongeBob heads out there, this is a super weenie wildcard weekend. Five out of six games, blowouts. It was super. It started so promising with Brown's Texans on Saturday, and it was like, wow, flacko strout, going to be incredible. And then since then, the game, the outcomes were cool. But outside of Lions, Rams, there was not a ton of, like, competitive football.

No, the narratives were better than the games themselves. Like, if you just, like, were traveling the whole weekend and came back and just said, like, what happened? And somebody was like, Stroud is like the goat. Jordan Love is a top 10 quarterback. Dallas collapsed, Philadelphia collapsed. Gough beat Stafford in Detroit. You'd be like, oh, my God, like, what a weekend?

And in reality, it was like, well, we kind of spent like 22 hours watching one close game. I was going to say, do you think that we reached like critical bass with the NFL? It's like, yeah, the NFL. Too many weeks. Too many games. Too many fucking playoff teams. I love our running bit of the 100 most watch sports events. It's like 91 football games.

We can fix this. So the Eagles just got rocked by the bucks. And the only way I think to start, winners losers wildcard weekend. I think the biggest winner of the weekend to me, haters. Haters. They're just having the best time. I mean, people hate the Cowboys, people with the Eagles, which includes Philly fans. No one hates the Philadelphia sports teams more than Philadelphia fans.

like nobody. And so everybody, like, what an incredible weekend. Like, honestly, I didn't think this was possible to ask,

but it has to be asked. What was worse? The Cowboys collapsed or the Eagles? Because the Cowboys seems obvious, but I don't want to gloss over how disgust it. The Eagles quit halfway through a playoff game.

Yeah, but the Eagles, here's my take. The Eagles collapse has been happening in front of our faces for two months. I completely agree. What did you think was going to happen?

They were like two and a half point favorites against the bucks. They were trying to tell us. Do not eat. Yeah. I don't know what I was expecting. They lost five and six. They just lost to the Giants.

Like, what do we think was going to happen? I picked the bucks, and I felt a little sheepish about it. I'm like, yeah, the Eagles look like the worst team in the NFL. What are we doing here? The second this line came out, I bet the bucks plus two and a half. I was like, Jalen Hertz's finger was bent 90 degrees. I'm like, I'm taking Tampa Bay. A good rule of thumb is like there are a lot of people that kind of sit on the sidelines to criticize,

a lot of coaches and GMs don't like to criticize teams. And every now and then there's a team that's so disgusting that everyone can't help themselves and people who don't even tweet that much. Like Jay Gruden is out here being like, I am so sorry to any quarterback I ever worked with. And like Peyton Manning, who frankly is the only honest person in sports media who like played football because he visibly can't hide his disgust. And he's just sitting there like watching like the Eagles unprepared for the,

the bucket ears are like the most blitz happy team in the league right after playing the Giants, the other most blitz happy team in the league like two weeks ago. Craig, I think the best analysis of the entire season from anybody in the world was you being like, the Eagle Super Bowl hangover was like when you wake up drunk thinking you're not hungover, but actually the hangover starts at 2 p.m. I'm not hungover. I had 17 beers last night. I feel wonderful.

It's 8 a.m. Let's party. Let's run it back. And then it's 3 p.m. And you're struggling to get off the couch. Your vision's blurred. And you're like, what happened to me? My head is pounding.

I have aged 20 years. I was going to say, we did the fantasy. we did the rewatchables for the season a couple weeks ago. We said, what's age the worst? And I said, Brandon's Daly. Jason Kelsey looks like he aged 10 years. Jason Kelsey has 10 times more gray hair. Like, he looks like a guy who's been crushed at the bottom of the tush,

push for nothing over the last season. Did he announce he was retiring or has he not said yet? I think his face said everything. I think that guy said. He was getting emotional. Yeah. But just to get, yeah, we'll see. I mean, we're recording this right after the game ended.

We'll see. But I just, so, frankly, it's, I mean, two years ago, the Bucks crushed, sorry, the Bucks crushed the Eagles. I think it was 31 to 15, and it wasn't that close. And it was like a game that spawned the Eagles being like, should we even go with Jalen Hertz? And the Eagles

wanted to trade for Russell, they wanted to sign Allen Robinson, couldn't do that. They're like, fine, we'll extend Hertz, trade for A.J. Brown, make the Super Bowl. Two years later, they, it's 32 to 9. It's actually, the Eagles are in a worse spot now than they were two years ago to the Bucks. But then you got Dallas losing

48 to 30. Cowboys was even worse. Yeah, I saw some people tweeting like this is worse than Dallas. And I don't think it is for all the reasons DK mapped out. Like, we saw this coming with Philadelphia. Dallas finished the year looking great. They were, they won the NFC East. They were the number two seed and the NFC. Like, that team was humming.

And they were over touchdown favorites at home against a team that snuck into the playoffs. The seven seed. The seven seed is never lost in this format. sorry, the Sunseys never won in this format. So just a quick summary with the Cowboys. Dallas, so again, they worked down 32 in the fourth quarter. Dallas allowed the most points in a playoff game in team history. Green Bay had 20 points before C.D. Lamb had one catch.

It's really 41 because Dak throw picks six. Really a defense allowed 41. For all the people at home yelling at us for saying 48. That's fair. Yeah. Just either one. It was bad. For the stat heads out there.

Speaking of stat heads, Dak Prescott having 400 passing. it's like the Ron DeSantis, like, waiting to like the night before the caucuses to, like, criticize Trump. It's like, thanks, Dak for your 400 yards, 20 minutes left in the game. Green Bay went up 27 to nothing. And at that point, the Packers had more interception return yards than Dak Prescott had pass a yard to his own team. Which I find completely, like literally the Packers' defense had more yards than the Cowboys' offense. You guys know that the Packers have as many wins at AT&T. stadium as the Cowboys.

In the playoffs? In the playoffs. The Packers have as many wins in Jerry World as the Cowboys do in the playoffs. Because the only one that they beat the Steelers there in the Super Bowl. That's so bad. They're undefeated there. Also, the Cowboys were undefeated at 16 at O at home, and then they're the only team to lose at home this weekend. The, I don't know where to start.

The DAC CD, something's off. I mean, obviously the Cowboys got their asses kick. Two things I think stand out to me. Well, three, but two plays. One, Luke, the guy. Play that ended the game. Luke Musgrave had this touchdown. I don't think, outside of like trick play,

I think Luke Musgrave is the most open player I've ever seen on a football field. Like, not high school, college or anything. He fielded in the past like he was catching a fly ball. Cadocard. It was like he caught it. His hands looked weird. He's like, I've never caught a football like this in my life.

He was so, it reminded me of Boise State when they were blue and they would hide blue players in the end zone and then like on a kick and turn front to the other guy. Like, I don't. know how you get so many players on one side and then one guy or the other. And then the other one was so weird that DAC and C.D. Lamb were so frustrated by like the second drive of the game. I don't know what was going on. CD Lamb was pissed like immediately. And I don't really know what happened. Yeah. It was like the first in complete past. Cedie Lamb's like fuck this guy. I was like,

dude, you just had the best season of Cowboys ever had at wide receiver. Why did this all crumble like immediately to start this game. It was wild. It was like that third and eight on the first drive, four inches off, Cedys Hands. And if he hits that, I'm like, does that, they just roll and win the game? Like, the whole thing, it was so weird.

But the other thing that I want to just note, because Mike, look, Dak, also, how funny was Dak being like, look, if people are going to criticize Mike McCarthy and ask if he's going to come back, you got to ask if I'm going to come back. And everyone's like, all right. Okay.

Are you coming back? Yeah, it's like, all right, you're done too. But I think the Cowboys thing that sticks to me the most was, I don't know if you guys noticed this, but every time the clock stopped in the first half, the Packers just destroyed Dallas. Like the Packers, I'm counting timeouts,

but also like TV timeouts, like the two minute warning, the first quarter break. Whenever there was like a moment, Matt LaFleur, the Packers had coach got to think for two seconds. Like talk to his players. Yeah. The Romeo Dobbs got a catch,

15-yard catch to the one-yard line, and then Aaron Jones scored next play. The Don Tavin Wicks touched. was out of a timeout. The pick six to C.D. Lamb was out of a timeout. And then the 39-yard throw to Dobbs was also out of a TV timeout. So it's like the out of a timeout, two touchdowns, another play that set up a touchdown and a 39-yard pass. It's like every time the clock stopped, Green Bay was like, all right, we know exactly what to do.

That's a huge problem. That makes me feel really good. You know why High Fits? Because Dan Quinn is interviewing with the Seahawks this week for the head coach. That's great. Could you imagine like a worse possible job interview than like on public national television just giving up 41 points? And it was like they didn't even do anything that they hadn't normally been doing. Like this was like the Packers sort of MO, the way that they did it.

Like they ran the ball, did play action. And these guys were just wide freaking open. Like Jordan Love was almost perfect on play action. So what's serious question? Serious question. What's worse? The Cowboys being so schematically unprepared that they literally, they have tight ends 30 yards away, just completely uncovered.

Or the Eagles just not being able to tackle anybody. We're not understanding who they're going to get blitz. Like, I actually don't know what's worse. So many people were complaining about the blitz thing. So Kurt Warner was bitching about it. Like, why do you not know how to, like, deal with the blitz? Jay Gruden's out there. He's like, they're in empty.

Like, there's no running back to block. They're like, hey, they're sending people to hit you, maybe have someone protect hurts. And they're like, no. So poor Soak. He was losing his fucking mind the whole game. Do you guys think Nick Siriotti is going to get fired? I think actually Mike McCarthy is more likely to stay than Siriani. Really?

I do. I do. I think what happened. Siriani is like peak office space. What is it that you do here? Like Siriani, the Eagles are like a baseball team. In baseball, the Yankees, honestly, Nick Seriani is here in Boone, if you're a Yankees fan. Yankees, like baseball now, the managers, the analytics base front offices manage the day-to-day, like decisions. And the head coach is like a rah, raw morale guy.

what does seriani do it's like shane stiking did the offense last year and the eagles the eagles front office harry roseman has controlled the 53 personnel like they're doing all that stuff nick serianis is kind of there to like take flack like today like get in trouble he's never to meet me and mug the camera yeah he's there to like scream at cheese fans when they leave a tunnel or something and so i think he's because i didn't even need a head coach then to be quite honest why can't you just have an offensive and a defensive coordinator answer that question what's the other way around why do they need Matt Patricia's defensive coordinator. Could the Eagles players not decide on a play before every play better than whatever

Patricia? Just player coaches. Yeah. I'm not even kidding. Matt Patricia took over the defense. They're literally the worst defense of the league since they've allowed us scoring. They allowed like 90% of the drive since he took over were scores. It's so, context is so wild because just like we were saying earlier, like, if you just like,

if somebody just woke up from a coma and you're like, explain the Eagles to me, like, just look at the stats of the eagle season. And it was like, all right. So they made the Super Bowl last year. were like one holding penalty away for maybe winning. And this year they went 11 and 6 and they lost in a wildcard round. And in the wildcard game, they didn't have their best receiver. And their star quarterback dislocated his finger, didn't throw a football the entire week and clearly has been injured all year within the injury.

And if you just read that, you'd be like, okay, so like all things considered like a perfectly normal, decent year. And in reality, every Eagles fan is in shambles. Nick Siriani should be fired. Oh yeah, also not to mention that their offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator were pillaged and sent to other. team. So it's like, Jalen Fertz is like, Jalen Hertz is bending his fingers back into place by himself.

I don't know. It's like all things considered, did the Eagles have a decent year? I think that they actually had the worst, I think the actual answer to the Eagles problem. Half a good year. I think they had the actual worst. It's actually a miracle.

They went 11 and 6. They went 10. They started 10 and 1, Craig. The big dump. Literally the big dumb was the whole thing. The whole structure came crumbling down with a big dumb. House of cards. That's crazy, man,

that Siriani, to literally make the Super Bowl, then go 11 and 6 and losing the playoffs, and then you're fired. And I get, this is why context is important, but still, just like that on paper is pretty crazy. It isn't, it isn't, though. Like, John Fox made the Super Bowl at the Broncos, and then he was, like, fired, and then the Broncos immediately wanted to do the Super Bowl. Like, I feel like this is the great, this is one of the best examples of all time of, like, how much of a higher wire act, an NFL team.

is. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Bill Belichick made fucking nine super bowls. This is why it's like so absurd to me when people talk about like, but he's the outlier. Not being a good coach. Like, give me a fucking break. Like, do you know how hard it is to win in the NFL?

Like, I don't know. To me, this is just a perfect example of like one or two things go wrong. And the whole thing just fucking collapsed. Collapsed. I've never seen a team with worst fives. They have worse fives than any team in the NFL. They had worse fives than the Panthers. They did.

Like their body language was worse than the Panthers. Jay-Aidman said the Eagles body language was as if they did not want to play in this game. He said that at like the second quarter of the playoffs. Really bad. Do you guys think if you guys are on the Cowboys or the Eagles or something, let's say you were the quarterback, what would your disposition be after a loss like this? Like would you go to Dak Prescott route where it's like, I stand by my court, like by my head coach. If you're going to criticize him, you got to criticize me.

Like we'll be back next year. Or would you be like pissed off. respondent, like in a miserable mood guy. What do you think, Craig? Not an NFL quarterback. I would probably blame it all on you guys. If we lost the podcasting championship, I'd be like, fucking Craig was just not bringing it.

High Fitz kept interrupting me, whatever. You know, something like that. I would definitely be like, I'd go full team cancer. I'd be miserable. I would not support anybody. I'd be like, I need to get the fuck. I need to go on vacation for a month before I can think about this again. I'd be like, Belichick and like, we're on to the NFL draft show.

we're on to the combine. Is that better? Is it worse if you just don't talk to the press? Like, you know how some people get really criticized if they just like refuse to talk after a game like this? Like Cam Newton or whoever. See, I actually, I understand that. But then when you argue, like,

it is your literal job to speak to the press, then that gets kind of tough. But in reality... Mike Tomlin asked, like, where your contract, just walked his tip from the press conference. I kind of respect that. Look, I do the same thing.

It's... If I lose a game of Madden, I don't want to talk to anybody, let alone my real life job. All right, we can be. move on for these pathetic teams. The one, last thing we do, you mentioned Belichick. We should mention the Belichick, one, he, he interviewed the Falcons, which is during, like,

all this going on today, which is hilarious. And like, I'm not kidding. Do you think that 28 to 3 was the first thing that got mentioned, like, it's an icebreaker or that they had, like, a seven-hour interview and never brought it up? I saw Nora Princiotti, who works at the ringer tweet. She was, like, interesting quotes. Like, can you please describe a time when, you know, you faced adversity and, you know, how you came through?

what could they have asked Bill Belichick? Like literally what could they have asked him? Is there any chance they leave that interview being like, I don't know, kind of unimpressed? You know what? Because we're talking about like, should the Cowboys fire McCarthy and bring in Belichick? Because the Cowboys draft well.

And the Eagles, like should the Eagles fire Sir out and bringing Belichick? You know what the funniest thing in the world would be if Belichick came to the Eagles and kept Patricia as the coordinator? Oh, my God. Oh, my Lord. real question or to be real or about this whole thing. So I was joking around about how Belichick interviewing for a head coaching job is like Tom Cruise auditioning for a role. And so many people replied to me like he's not getting he's not getting interviewed.

He's interviewing the Falcons. And I'm like, well, yes, that's actually 100% what's happening here. He flies the Falcons out to Boston to interview with him. Tom Cruise is deciding to buy the movie. What is it, eight rings or what was it? it? His boat's name? Oh my God. It's like, wait, Kevin Clark has this great story of like,

Daibo, sorry, I forget the day. I always could get this. Daboos winning, the Clemson head coach called Jimmy Johnson, who lives in Florida. It was like, hey, we're going to fly you out to Clemson. I would love to, like, hear you about coaching. And Jimmy Johnson just responds, yeah, you're going to come to me. I don't leave the keys. Dude, it's like on R.

It's honestly, it's like Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner just moved to Santa Barbara and was like, I'm not coming to L.A. anymore. Like, I'm Kevin Costner. you will come to me if you want me if you need a meeting. Bill O'Hick's like Arthur Blank, you'll come to Cape God on my boat

if you want me to coach your football team. I'm not going to Atlanta. All right. So the Cowboys and Eagles are like bad vibes. Honestly, maybe it's a bad vibes fall. We think Siriani and McCarthy are gone, officially. McCarthy? Dude, if they don't get rid of Mike McCarthy.

I think it's two things are important saying. These are opposite organizations. The Eagles are like a baseball team. They're like highly like They're like a baseball hedge fund team They're like math like analytics Not just analytics but they're like a They're trying

They're more like the warriors or whatever And how they Jerry Jones is honest to God Like a fantasy football owner He's emotionally wants to do everything himself Like he's the most hands on thing They're completely opposite things Jerry Jones kept Jason Garrett for 10 years Oh my God I always think about that

Here's my take here's my take I think Siriani deserves to be fired much more than McCarthy. And here's why he proved over and over, over like a seven week stretch that he had no answers, zero answers for getting his team out of this funk that they were. There was not, they had, they didn't do anything.

They looked exactly the same for seven straight weeks. And McCarthy goes out and loses one playoff game. Yes, I understand the Cowboys have a history of not being able to get over the hump in the playoffs. And that's like working against him, blah, blah, blah. But like, Craig, like two weeks. ago, we were talking about how Dax should be the MVP and like this is one of the best teams in the NFL. Like, I feel like it would be a massive overreaction.

But that made said, I would I would understand if they do it. But Seriani deserves to get fired way more, I feel like, just based on what happened, it was a complete collapse. And he's ultimately in charge of this thing. That's an excellent call, D.K., because one year, because also the Cowboys beat the Bucks one year ago in the playoffs. And they kicked the bucks. And what was the weird thing for the Cowboys' Bucks game was they missed four extra points. And then McCarthy did come out. And now they have this rookie kicker.

It's like they actually fixed all the little things Dallas couldn't do as much as Pollard was bad. Dallas did fix all these little things in their defense and their special teams. Their offense got better. And then this game was bad. But, D.K., you're so right that the Eagles actually, they literally couldn't pick up blitzes against the Giants two weeks ago and then couldn't do it again today. Like we're talking from a coach perspective, literally football 101 that would be embarrassing at college. Yeah. But it's like, I understand that they went to the Super Bowl last year.

They started 10 at 1. This is one of the best teams in the NFL for like a good stretch of the season. but I don't know. To me, that's like you just completely lose confidence in this guy to do what he's supposed to be doing. Yeah, that's fine. I just think you have to fire McCarthy as well. You can't just, if it's like week one next year

and you got Dak Prescott under center and Mike McCarthy's on the sideline staring at the scoreboard, I'm like, how is anybody going to have faith in this team that you're just running it back again when this team can't get over the line in the playoffs? You have no faith in Mike McCarthy and Dak Prescott. You need to pick one. Huge week for the.

haters. Also, credible week for teams that actually good vibes. Hate in Nirvana right now. Yeah. So it's as good as it gets. The Lions, this is actually one of the first feel good stories that there's been in a while. But the Lions, I mean, you know, they have the longest playoff trout in the entire league, which, sorry, producer Carlos Douglas to the Dolphins, but Lions win. They beat the Rams. That was a really, really, really fun game. Lions won 24 to 23. Overall, like Amon Ra for the Lions, Pooka Nuku for the Rams. I mean, Stafford Gough, the whole Stafford Gough traded for each other. They're like, we're doing this for 60.

The whole thing was fun. And just the vibes are incredible. I thought the atmosphere was crazy. But like, dude, Dan Campbell, DK, you were the vibes king. And I feel like Dan Campbell is the first ballot vibes, like, Hall of Famer. Oh, my God. He is, you know how, like, all the zoomers talk about manifesting? He manifested the fuck out of this team.

Like, I went back and looked at the quotes from his introductory presser. Can I just read one to you? Because it was like, quote unquote, quote, quote, I think we need to bring some hope back to this place, man. Listen, I'm willing to do whatever, man. I'm a big mind over matter person. And a lot of you are going to think I'm a kook a little bit here. But I do believe you can will things to happen in some regard.

Like, if you're a really positive thinker, I believe that positive things can happen to you. I don't know, man. I feel like obviously there's a lot of very good players on this team and they've done a good job of like putting together like a really cohesive offense. Like their defense has some really exciting young players, blah, blah, blah. But this is exactly why you hire a culture coach, a guy that is going to just like make everything around, like it's an infectious positivity, energy, vibes. It really matters.

If you guys have ever played on teams, like go back to the teams you had the most fun playing on and it was just like something different about that. You know what I mean? And you hear like all the players talking about it. After reading Pete Carroll's book, we mentioned this on the other pod. Like now I'm like,

I actually value the vibe coach more than I do like the analytic coach. Like I would rather have Pete Carroll, Dan Campbell, what have you, instead of like a brain and staley type any day of the week. I mean, I guess if you can have both. I feel like Sean McVeigh is a good example of somebody who's kind of both. But yeah, how can you not love what Dan Campbell's doing? He's like, he's like basically like holistic medicine as a coach. He's like, nah, man.

We're not going to treat your symptoms. We're going to treat the disease. Take a cold shower. You'll be fine. There was a really, really good story. I want to pull up the exact coach's name because I want to get it right. but there was an excellent story someone shared. It was the Lions linebackers coach.

I can't find it. I think it's, yeah, Kelvin Shepard is a former teammate of Dan Campbell. And, you know, is a black coach. He had like long dreadlocks and he, like long hair. And he called Dan Campbell as he was retiring as a player getting a coach. And he asked Dan Campbell, should I cut my hair to get a job? Because obviously black coaches are underrepresented, have a tough time to get a job.

And he called Dan Campbell. is like, we'll be more professional, but easier for me to get a job. And Dan Campbell says, absolutely not. Like, you've gotten the calls because you are you. And they don't want you being some version of some random thing, of a vague idea of who you think you should be. You're going to succeed because of who you are.

And he kept him on, and then Dan Campbell brought him on staff. And this guy was, Calvin Cheper was talking about how he feels free and his ability to coach because working for Dan Campbell. Like, there's not a culture of fear. And then Dan Campbell, was asked about this and Dan Campbell said, I'm a firm believer that you can't

let people can't be the best they can be unless you, unless you let and encourage them to be who they are. Yeah, that's exactly what Carol said too, yeah. Yeah, it's very Pete Carrolly. Yeah, and I, and the challenge of this is this is all, that is, I actually, I love that. The challenge of the reality is that's nice and warm, but it's better when you win. And the Pete Carroll problem is when you start, to lose, it's hard to hold on to.

The real challenge for Dan Campbell's, what happens if they lose Ben Johnson as the offensive coordinator? Because that's kind of what just happened with the Eagles, right? It's cool when Nick Siriani is yelling on the sideline when they're winning. Everything's kind of cool when you're winning. But like the Kelsey podcast is a lot less cool when they both kind of want to like just walk into the sea. And the Dan Campbell, we'll see if the lions can keep it up without, you know, the offense.

But right now, like, it's the most like movie-like atmosphere to a team I've seen in real life in quite some time. Oh, 100%. It's like Major League. Remember the movie Major League, the baseball movie? Yeah, yeah. It's like the Lions or the NFL versions.

I haven't gone to the play. I haven't won a playoff game in 30, what was it? 31 years. Which is all the time. The owner was trying to tank, right? The owner was trying to tank. She wanted to like, yeah,

she wanted to, she basically just like hired all these random dudes, you know, off the street and just like wanted them to be the worst team ever so they could move the team. I think it was. And yeah, it's just like. And like, to be honest,

like the vibes were great because I feel like in this game, no matter what happened, you could still talk yourself into being happy, but I'm so glad Detroit won because, look, we all like Stafford. The Rams were a great story this year.

Pooka Nuku is an awesome story. They're kind of like, they were like the little engine that could this year, really, like the Rams with like how many rookies and undrafted guys they had. But Goff having this resurgence after getting abandoned by the Rams

and now moving on, winning a playoff game with Detroit, like breaking the streak. It is such an awesome story. Goff generally played pretty well. he had that one like horrific like Carson Wentz-esque like backwards fumble. But other than that, God, got a really good game. Wentz was on the sidelines.

It's his fault. You know when you're watching YouTube, or not me YouTube, but like, you know when you're streaming these games and every now and then it just like breaks and it just like glitches and goes home? Like Jared Goff's brain does that once a game. He's just like his controller disconnects. Yeah. But other than that, like he had a great game, which was nice.

Like I'm happy like they didn't win the game just by like running the ball up their throat. I'm happy Goff actually could play well and can cut like, they gave him the game ball after. So I'm, super happy for Jared Goff. The one, these teams are so fun to watch. Amon Ra and Puka, one, penciled them in on my teams. They'll tell you anything. But like,

Puka just spinning and just like, neither of them want to go down. They're so fun to watch each of them. Puka might need to chill out a little bit. He's like takes, dude, he he like takes at least one. He just gets clobbered. in at least one game, or at least one time every game.

And it's just like he's slow to get up almost every single time. I was texting you guys. He's like read from Pynop Express where he's like, he's been shot multiple times. He's got like the whiplash neck roll thing on. Like he falls asleep at the table.

And they're like, is he dead or is he alive? Oh, he's alive. He's back in the game. Like this is like Puka. Every fucking game. He's just like just getting clobbered. I'm like, dude, chill just a little bit.

We want you to have a long productive career. Yeah. 181 yards for Puka most ever in a playoff game by a rookie That's kind of why these teams are fun though The Rams and Lines Wow, that's a crazy stat. That's actually wild.

Puka, yeah, it's fact Straud deserves rookie the year, but it's crazy. We need someone word to get Fuku. But the Lions and Rams, that's why they're fun though that neither Tim has any chill. Amonra honestly has no chill either.

La Pora doesn't. Dan Campbell came out of the halftime and he was like, he actually answered the question, which is so funny. Like, what do we need to do better? He's like, oh man, defensively, man,

we got to get a stop, man. And it's like, we haven't forced them to punt one time. We got to get that go offensively. We're kicking ass. I love the guy. Campbell, yeah, he's like truly, everything is so infectious with that guy. I love that. I think Goff is starting to have a little bit of a personality.

You know how Goff? You did to, like, pop up the crowd move at the end of the game? I think Campbell's rub it off on it. The Hardnocks a few years ago, and he was like, hey, you know, he's my golf course at my house. I know, it's like shipping. Yeah, now he's likable. He, by the way, throw a stat out here for you guys.

On plays when he wasn't pressured, he was 21 out of 21. So a lot of people, like, obviously dealing with pressure is an important part of quarterbacking, but, like, I think a really sticky stat and, like, consistent stat year over year is, like, how well you play from the pocket when you're not pressured. And golf was literally perfect. 21 out of 21, 266 yards in a touchdown. And if you just think about the game, he was just, dealing. He was just like finding the open guy, getting it to him, letting them do their thing,

and moving on, like moving the chains, keep going. And it was just like, big part of the reason I really enjoy watching this offense is like everybody's just on the same page. Everyone's doing their job. Everyone's working really hard, blocking downfield. Even Jamison Williams, who I think early in the season, we were like, oh God, maybe this guy is like a bust. He's out there blocking his ass off. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just fun to watch. I think everybody is just, you know, like playing their asses off. And I think obviously that starts with Campbell. this game was really fun and pure

and this was the most exciting wildcard round of the narrative wise and also watching it and then it was kind of tainted a little when it's like Matt Stafford was we don't know for sure nor are we doctors I know for sure I know he just was knocked unconscious like that was brutal to watch that yeah

he looked like he went to the shadow realm and then returned or like you guys know those little squeeze stress toys where the eyes kind of bulge out of the head that literally was fucking stabbering when his head hit the ground And then I saw on Twitter on Chris Long's podcast, Chris Long was saying that sometimes quarterbacks do this thing where when they know they're concussed and they just blacked out briefly,

they'll run to the sidelines pretending like they have a different injury so that people think it's something else. And Stafford was running to the sideline with us like his fist clenched and holding up against his ribs. And I was like, on the wrist injury. Yeah. Or is it like a shoulder thing? And then he came back in the game, of course,

because God forbid it's the NFL playoffs. No way he's going to miss the rest of the game. but it's like two they pretended to it a different injury right yeah so I thought that was pretty interesting no I mean

that was I would say one of the more egregious one thing everyone was just like yeah we're gonna let this happen good vibes you don't want to ruin this if it's the playhouse like we're not going to stop this is the only close Roger Goodell called in he's like look guys this is the only close game we've had all weekend

all right get him back out there Jesus Christ I mean it's like dude there it's like two a year and a half ago they were like canceling games because of COVID. Now you got like Jalen Hertz playing in a game with the flu.

They're like over that. We're not going to deal with that anymore. I still can't get over. Jailen Hertz like popped his own finger back in on his throwing hand. And it was like, I guess we'll wear a glove. And right before the game's like, I'm not going to wear the glove. I know they practice all week. But the last thing I want to say this game is we need to get Sean McViv of PS5. He needs to play Madden. That's it. He doesn't. Yeah. Incredible coach. He's still the youngest coach in the NFL. He's won in Super Bowl. the clear cost of him being a super genius enough to be a good head of coach at 30 years old is he just has no concept of clock management. This is not literally true, but I think it might be.

I don't think Sean McVeigh has literally ever got to the two-minute warning of a fourth quarter with three timeouts. I don't think it's ever happened. Oh, yeah, of a fourth quarter, that's definitely true. But man, at the end of the half, I don't know if you guys remember it. To end the half, at the end of the second quarter, there's 59 seconds left. The Rams have the ball on like their own 10. 59 seconds with three timeouts and they just run the ball and go into the half.

It just doesn't make sense. He doesn't like the Madden concepts of like you should try to score when you have the ball and you have a minute left. It's at and then also. Not to mention like Matt Stafford was dealing. Like Matt Stafford is an appreciation moment right now. Like he Matt Stafford is so fucking good at football

and so good at court. Like he's still underrated. Like he won a Super Bowl and he was incredible that year. He is still underrated in my book. And he's how many no look passes he had in this game. And that's the thing. He might be a top five quarterback in the league. I know this sounds.

nitpicky and like we can move on, but all says this, they lost the game by one point. If they had just gotten into field goal range at the end of the first half, they would have won the game. Like, and they didn't. Did you guys realize that the Lions scored three points in the second half? Dude, the under hit on this game. It was like 21 to 17 at half. And the under hit.

The Lions were winning. They had a field goal. There were no touchdowns in the second half. It was all field goals. Yeah, three field goals, one by the Lions, two by the Rams. It was like, so from that point of view, I kind of understand, like, what McVey was thinking by, he was like, we stopped him all half. We'll stop him again. Get the ball back.

Oh, at the end. Well, it was like, it was like fourth and what, 14 when they punted or something like that. Well, no, the first half was, the first half was. I'm saying in the fourth quarter when they punted with like four minutes left or whatever. It was fourth and 14. They took a shot on third down to the end zone. Yeah, sorry, I was jumping around a little bit, but I was talking about the fourth, the third and fourth down plays when people were saying they should not have punted. No, no, look, that.

punting on fourth and 14 I get. What bothers me is I don't think Sean McVey understands the, or not understands, I don't think he thinks this way of, perhaps we get 10 yards on third and 14 and see if we want to do a fourth and five. Like, he doesn't think that way. And I don't know. It's play mad and Sean McVeigh, we're going to get him PS5. All right.

Other winner for this weekend of the Super Weenie Hut Jr. Wildcorder weekend, young quarterbacks. I, shameless plug, I went, the ringer.com. I wrote about Cechistrault this week. I wrote about Cowboys. You can, Dolphid, you can look all that up. But I actually had a moment of deja vu because I typed out the Jordan Love stat line. And I was like, this is wrong.

And I realized actually no, Jordan Love for the Packers, C.J. Straught, the Texans had almost, I've never seen anything like this, almost exactly the same stat line. Jordan Love and Cedge Stroud both had, both of them, 16 completions and 21 attempts. They both had 270-something yards. They were two yards apart at 270. They both had three touchdown passes. they both threw zero picks, took zero sacks. They both had a pass rating of 157.2. That never happens.

And they both did it against ostensibly, one of the best defenses in the NFL, Dallas and Cleveland, respectively, with a defensive player of the year candidate, Michael Parsons or Miles Garrett, that was totally neutralized. And both these dudes were not exactly considered like known quantities coming into the season. I think they're both pretty easily top eight,

top ten quarterbacks at this point. And I don't know which one you guys want to start with. Dekyll's start with you, but like, I feel like Stroud and love amid all the weirdness of the season and Belichick retiring and all the quarterbacks getting hurt, the actual takeaway is like the Texans and Packers just like flipped into like two of the best position teams for the rest of the 2020s over the last month.

Yeah. Yeah, let's start with Stroud for a second because, you know, obviously he's a rookie. This was the first rookie quarterback and quarterback. head coach tandem to win a playoff game in like forever. There's been like three instances of this. First quarter rookie quarterback coach combo to win a division period. Yeah.

So obviously, I mean, what they're doing is very rare and we should acknowledge that and appreciate that and enjoy it. I also just love Stroud because, I don't know, aesthetically, is there a cooler looking quarterback in the NFL right now? And like the way he plays, the way he throws is everything is so silky, smooth. It's almost like, like, I don't know, Steph Curry. Curry, just like, he's so smooth. Everything he does is so effortless looking. It's probably not a great comp. You know what I mean?

Like, just the way that he moves is, I don't know, just fun to watch. And I was looking this, I was looking up the stats. High Fitzhitz, you mentioned how close they were on, on overall stats on their play action. C.J. Stroud threw off play action on 33% of his dropbacks. He was five out of seven for 146 yards and three touchdowns on play action. And when I picture him and when I picture that game, it was deep drop. roll out, like crow hop up and just fucking launch a bomb downfield. And I was talking to Bill Barnow about this today on Twitter.

It's, he called it the sidelines, the sideline view superstars or whatever. Like when you just have like the TV view, you can't see what's down the field. You can only see like, oh, he's going to hook it down. To me, Stroud has like entered that special realm of guys that like as soon as he throws it, I'm like, that's a touchdown. Like that's going to be a touchdown. As soon as he starts crow hopping and getting ready to throw it, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is going to be a touchdown. He plays, he honestly is just to be,

Stroud is just Joe Burrow with a better arm. Yeah, I think he's even a little bit, he's a little bit like quicker to me than Burrow. Like the way he like bounces around in the pocket and he has such like a flick to it. Like I don't know, he has a gunslinger energy to me that Burrow doesn't really give off. But I agree with you.

I think one of the coolest parts of like the season or the playoffs is that while this weekend was a slog for like most of the games. One of the most fun parts of football is watching a quarterback, like, truly, like, ascend into the top 10 and watching Love and Stroud do it. It's pretty cool to be like, this wildcar weekend, we can all, like, officially say, like, all right, like, these two guys now are going to be in our lives for a decade. It's like an actor, it's like Tom Cruise and risky business. And you're like, all right, like, this is now a guy. You know what I mean? And especially with, like, the amount of Hall of Famers that we've lost in like the last, you know,

it's like Breeze and the Mannings and Big Ben, Rivers and all that stuff. Like it has felt like, especially this year, like, man, there's not a lot of good quarterbacks right now in the NFL. And so Stroud and Love have come at a perfect time because, yeah, you know, we didn't have a lot of them until now. NBA, they're always like the leagues in good hands. I'm like, all right, NFL, quarterbacks, good hands. Credit again to Highfitts, by the way, for calling this in the preseason. I made fun of you for being all over Jordan Love in the preseason, even though I wasn't, I wasn't,

even a guy that, like, was like, he sucks. I just was like, it's a big stretch to think he's going to be like a superstar. It's just like, when in doubt, just bet that a quarterback's not going to be good. You're probably going to be right. That's fair. I think that's actually what I got wrong about the Texans is like with the rookie. It's like it went in doubt. It's like, I think that the tech, you know, look, I think I look for fantasy purposes.

You can look at the dolphins. Like, that's a team that I wish we had stacked and you could have seen coming. The Texans, you got to just take the L. It's like the very coach, rookie quarterbacker, a rookie quarterback coach. It's like, you don't know what you're going to get. And you're like, the banking on them to be good is kind of crazy. And no one knew Deco Collins was going to be like the most amazing receiver in the NFL this year.

Everybody involved. It's going to come out of nowhere. Everyone involved at the 9 and a half out of 10, including Bobby Sloke, the coordinator for the Texans was great. Totally. Him too, yeah. I have to do the Stroud. The Stroud facts of this game reminded me at Chuck Norris Fax. I have to hit some of these.

So he just Stroud's the youngest quarterback to win a playoff game, period. Stroud is the highest drafted rookie quarterback to win a playoff game. Second overall, but that had never happened before. Wow. Rocky. Stroud's first playoff game, also this Stroud's first playoff game. The Texans scored their most points in any game since 2014 when Straub was 13. Dude, they put up 45 points against the fucking Browns.

Yeah. Yeah, what the fuck. The first playoff game. And the Stroud led the Texans to their largest margin of victory in a playoff game in team history. And then Stroud also tied the record four passing touchdowns in a playoff game by a rookie. And he did it by half time. So it's pretty, it's pretty unreal. And then Jordan Love went out and did all the same stuff.

But yeah, we got to talk about Jordan Love real quick before we move on. He's Aaron Rogers. If he was like cool to talk to. He is Aaron Rogers. It's uncanny. I got so many texts yesterday. There was like one specific throw from yesterday and my phone got like six texts being like Jordan loves Aaron Rogers.

Dude, the meme of the week was that Aaron Rogers must be so mad that the government cloned him even though he didn't get the vaccine. How did they take control of him? It's like, how did they do it? No, but the reason I bet so heavily on Jordan Love is I, all right, two things. One, I think sitting is the most fucking underrated thing of quarterbacking. I know. We got to, we got to bring this back.

No one fucking talks about this. Patrick Mahomes sat for a year. Jordan Love sat for three years. Tom Brady sat for a year. Jury sat. Like, this is just how it was for 50 fucking years. it was like understood that it's impossible to just come in and play rookie quarterback really well immediately. And what changed was the financial structure of contracts on the business end,

incentivized teams financially to play guys earlier. And then we send them to the woodchipper of now we have young guys playing for the worst teams immediately. And we're like, why do these guys suck? Baker Miffel. What was the stat they show today? Eight head coaches in six years. And he played for the fucking Browns. And we're like, why was he bad?

That's weird. Textbook, How to Ruin your quarterback. Like, and we look at Joy Love. And the Packers, what was another incredible me and I saw tonight?

It was the Packers with Jordan. The Packers had it moving on from Brett Farve to Rogers to Love. And it was Matt Damon in Goodwill Hunting. Do you know how fucking easy this is for me? Do you know how easy this is for me? Do you have any fucking idea how easy this? This is a fucking joke.

I wish I knew. I wish you could do this because like this is a waste of my fucking time. It's like us just find. a third straight Hall of Fame quarterback. Do you know how fucking easy this is for me? Sets it on fire. I'm also convinced it is not a coincidence that 31 teams cannot find a new quarterback

and the one that Kent does not have an owner. I am so... Meddling. Meddling owners. There's no fucking chance that it's like the Panthers with David Tepper are just like, cut Cam Newton, bring them back. Snip, snap. And then the backers are like, we're going to draft you in love.

When is the last time that a team has truly hit on three quarterbacks in a row? Like, how rare is that? I'm pretty sure literally, literally never. This is the first. No, I'm not even kidding with you because I've like, I'd have to go back and look. How do you feel about Mack Jones? Wouldn't that only be two? Who are you counting as the third there for doing?

Letsoe, Brady, Mac Jones. I guess Bucza doesn't count, yeah. No, I mean, honestly, the only ones we've seen in our lifetime, I mean, Montana to Young. and then it was manning to luck. But even that was kind of freaking like incredibly lucky. That like, pun intended, but like, that was just kind of like, my favorite Mark Zuckerberg called Twitter,

like a clown car that drove into a gold mine. That was kind of the cults getting Andrew Luck. And but like the Packers planned it. That's the best part of the Packers is the Packers like at foresight. I think that's the thing. It's like the Packers having foresight, again, the only team that has foresight doesn't, have an owner. Like, that's not a coincidence to me.

Brett Farrve, his first year of starting for the Packers, 1992. What were you doing in 1992? I was not alive. You're a figment, or what was it, a twinkle in your dad's eye? Maybe. Yeah, man. That's 1992. That was the last time they had a bad quarterback. So, I mean, he really, that your love really is incredible.

Also, just other... It's like his... Stephen Ruiz wrote about it. His fallaway throws and like the... What is it? What was he called it? The fade away. The fadeaways, yes.

Stephen is incredible. Steve wrote an amazing article for the ringer. That was basically all these things that, you know, when you were growing up, the kids weren't supposed to do. Like all these things that are breaking the rules, so to speak, are actually now like essential for great quarterback.

The highest level of quarterbacking requires playing. He actually has an incredible Aaron Rogers. I'm not actually going to, pull it up because it was perfect. But he basically was writing about how you have to be able to break the rules down and play at the highest level. And it's called trick shot throws aren't a luxury for enough for quarterbacks anymore. It's on the ring.

Check it out. And he lead, he, uh, his quote from Aaron Rogers in the story. And he says, Roger says, if I can't throw the ball in a perfect environment on the money all the time, then I can't play. Everybody can do that throwing the ball in a perfect environment. A lot of my throws, I'm running full speed. to evade a four, six, 40-yard dash pass rusher. And at the last second, I flip

turn around, and I throw it. And I'm like that. It's like someone shooting a jumper, a wide open jumper versus like taking a guy off the dribble or whatever. You know, creating off the dribble. Speaking, an incredible creation of the dribble today. Craig, what did you think of Mason and Rudolph?

Sorry, that was mean. Honestly, it wasn't mean. It wasn't. No one hates the Steelers more than Craig. So, it's like, he's a Philly fan. So Bill's beat the Steelers 31 to 17. It was closer and not closer as close as that. I don't know.

It was 14 points. It felt like 28 or one. I don't know. But Craig, what are your thoughts? Steelers eliminated and it was weird. What I'm most depressed about is that we are entering, 2024 is going to feature the most depressing quarterback controversy of the 21st century,

which would be Penny Pickett versus Mason Rudolph in August. It's 100% going to be those two competing for a starting job. They're not going to make any decisions. So I'm absolutely dreading that that Mason Rudolph has somehow played himself into a controversy with a first round quarterback who's not good to begin with. So that's not great. Is he on a contract, Rudolph? They'll bring them back. Dude, nobody lives Pittsburgh.

Nobody leaves. The Steelers are just in life. Nobody leaves. And that's not offensive because everyone in Pittsburgh right and listening is like absolutely true. He is a free agent. But yes, they'll bring it back. No one leaves. Yeah.

I'm genuinely not upset at all that they lost this game. I wanted Josh Allen to move on. We love Josh Allen. He's been our guy all year. He was awesome today, four touchdowns. No turnovers, which is huge. 75 rushing yards. Look, Pittsburgh held their own.

I mean, if they didn't commit a couple stupid turnovers, this game is actually probably even closer than it could have been. I mean, they threw a pick in the end zone. Pickens had a stupid fumble. Fryer moved should have had a fumble. They missed an easy sack on Josh Allen that led to a touchdown the next play. So there was a lot of stuff that actually the Steelers could have done. If this game was in the same,

snow, I don't know how it would have gone. They really cleaned up that stadium. I got to say, man. The Bill's fan riding the snow thing. First of all, did you see the shirtless Bill's fan riding the thing? You know, they put the little, I don't know, slides basically for all the snow to get to the field and then they take it away. It got stuck. And so a guy just like rode it down like the whole from like the deck and like running to the field.

He like cleaned the gutters with his body. Yeah. Dude, these people are crazy. Bill's fans are, they're a whole different. Don't you guys think that like they should have put some snow on the field. Like for how bad it looked at it. Sprinkle it. You got it needed to be a little snowy.

Like we were all excited. It was weird to hear like we moved the game. It was clean. It was perfectly clean. I would have said it could have been October. But the stands weren't the stands. Did you see that like conspiracy? It's a conspiracy.

Dude, if the fans have enough snowballs to throw them at the players on the field, like we should just already have snow on the field. Did you see that the NFL nullified the seats? They were just like, NFL and Bill's actually released a statement. They were like, yeah, about like your seats and your tickets. Just wherever you can stand. That works.

That's good. You got to dig a foxhole in the stadium somewhere. There was a play in the corner of the end zone where like fans threw snowballs at Deonté Johnson as he was trying to catch a pass in the corner of the end. So they were defending him with snowballs. That's sick. Honestly, I think we just invented a new sport. Nobody should throw like bottle. No one should throw bottles or any of the players that's horrific. Don't do that.

Having said that, I've always kind of wanted some aspect that was harmless involved. like I don't know. Kind of a sick new wrinkle. You know, it's like, look, you know how the Fenway's got the green monster. It's like Buffalo in winter, like their fans throw snowballs out. Dude, that's just like what you got to do. You ever watch battle bots with the robots? You ever watch the battle bots, the robots fight?

What I love it, it's like boxing, but with robots and you put them in the corner and there's like a giant hammer that comes down or the other. It's like boom, boom. And like saws come up from the battle thoughts. Yeah. Like gladiator, the tigers come out of the, I don't know. Tigers? Tigers?

Did they catch a tiger in the? there? No, not battlebots. The gladiator when the tiger comes out of the floor. I want to say one thing about the Steelers moving forward. I think that if we are going to head into next year with the roster we have, T.J. Watt, Mika Fitzpatrick, Kim Hayward,

a lot of strong promising pieces. Deonté Johnson, George Pickens is a star, Jalen Warren. Offensive lines getting better. If we just go into next year with Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett, I would rather not have Tomlin if Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett are going to be the quarterbacks.

If that is a package deal, I would rather do without, genuinely. To your point, Craig, I don't think it's an accident that Mike Tomlin and Bill Belichick are these defensive coaches who have been very successful for a very long time

that, frankly, like, are having trouble almost philosophically adapting to what offenses you needed, like the 21st century. I'm not, I don't, I really hate when I try to, I don't want to pretend, like, I know more about football than Tomlin or Belichick,

but it's like, it's kind of wild what they trot out and expect to compete. This is a great point. This is a great point. Did you see this saving quote? I don't know for sure if this was like from a long time ago or if this was loose. Nick Saban three years ago, he says defense used to win championships. He said, fellows, I'm telling you, that's not the case anymore. And he was like, offense made it too damn hard on us now.

Like it's too hard to play defense or something. That's not even the quote I'm talking about. That's a great precursor to the one that I heard the other day, which was, He was on, like, a coaches, like, conference call or whatever. I don't even know what it was. And he was like, here's my message to offensive coaches across the country. You guys are the Taliban. Oh, yes.

You're Al-Qaeda. He called him the Taliban. I didn't see that. Offensive play callers the Taliban. What is going on with coaches? And it was even off-end. It was like the boy. He literally said, I'm in church thinking about you guys, the Taliban.

Football is vaguely militaristic. Belichick grew up in the military. I would say vaguely. For war. But anyways, yes,

I do think like there's something there with like, you know, like in the old days, you could, defense did win championships.

You know what I mean? Like, you could play really good defense and you could win a title. You know, I don't know for sure if that's the case anymore. Now it's defense helps

wins championships. Right. You could be defensive-minded, but I need you to be progressive in like you're thinking. I need you to be able to like abandon something that's not working. And.

Mike, Like saw the Matt Canada offense is not gaining 400 yards. Like I don't know if people know this. He was there. And you should be fired. Several years worth. Yeah. He needs to accept that this is part of it.

If it's picking Rudolph, I don't want Tomlin there. I genuinely feel that way. It's, yeah, there's a reason it feels like the Steelers. He did watch 29. He's in the prime of his career. Speaking of being stuck in the 20th century,

we have to talk about how Josh Allen, actually one week after we joked about Josh Allen doing the band of brothers run, of like he did the bit if you didn't hear please DK explained the band of brothers thing with Josh Allen yeah so I don't even know what the context was we were just talking about Josh Allen being a total maniac

and I was like he reminds me so much of Lieutenant Spears and the band of brothers which by the way was a real person who really did this in the real World War II he ran across so they were they were invading a village the American troops were that was held by the Germans he needed to talk to the guys that were like

flanking his guys that were flanking on the other side of town So instead of like going around, he just ran straight through the goddamn village. And the Germans were so like shocked and didn't know what the fuck they were doing. He just ran right through. And then he ran back because he's a crazy guy. And so you joked him with this a week ago. And then literally today, Josh Allen has like a 52-yard touchdown run. Literally all the Steelers looked too confused to tackle him.

They were so stunned that he was running that they were like, oh. And it's like the whole game, I was just thinking of this guy running through this town. It's like Josh Allen, dude. channel. He was just channeling old Ronnie Spears. Yeah, he was like, Josh Allen was staring at like nine Steelers defenders and he was like,

fuck it. I'm just going to run to him off. I could just go straight. Literally, six rushes came and he was like, it was like, here's a good parallel. I think the Germans are like,

is he allowed to do that? Wait, did we call like a truce or something? And then like, you know, did you guys think it was a fake slide? Do you think he was the fake slide? The fake slide.

I don't think it was quite as egregious, clearly, but it was sort of a fake slide. Anytime a quarterback hesitates like that, you assume they're going to slide. He didn't like go down into the motion, but you assumed that by slowing down he was going. It's not just how he runs, just kind of weird. The memes of Josh Allen, you see the memes are like Josh Allen's brain right before he has like the greatest play in football history. And it's like an AI generated like a guy with a giant spoon.

He's like, my spoon's too big for this cereal. And it's like, I'm a banana. He's operating on instinct, man. That's all there is, you know? I love Joshie. So yeah, the last thing here, Dolphins chiefs, the ice bowl, there's two things here. The dolphins collapsed.

And then there's also just like, this game was really weird theater. And I don't know, I'm not going to lie. Like, I don't know what you guys want to hit first. I'm kind of more interested in like the theater of all this. Carlos, our producer, is a huge Dolphins fan who really accurately predicted how the dolphin season would go, frankly. There's questions about Tua and stuff. I kind of want to get to that in a moment.

The, this was, was, the Dolphin's Chiefs game was negative four degrees of kickoff. It was the fourth coldest temperature at the start of a game ever. And then it's the third coldest game by windchill. It was what, negative 27 at windshield. And then a year and a half ago, the dolphins played a Vikings game that in the sun was 122 degrees. So this game was 149 degrees with windchill. 149 degree difference, which is like what...

It doesn't seem like possible. That sounds like Mars. Yeah. It's like this is not... Human life cannot live in these conditions. One, shout out to all over UK people who... People in the Canada, the United Kingdom, all over the world, Brazil, who emailed us. Everywhere but here.

You made us look up Fahrenheit. We're the worst country. We know. For the record, we know. We know. They're like, where does water freeze? I'm like, well, at 32 degrees Fahrenheit, when does water freeze at Celsius? They're like, zero.

I'm like, oh, yeah, that's good. That makes sense. It's so much more sense. You know, wait, every other, every other country uses meters in the world? 12 inches of foot? We should not. Maybe we're different. We should use feet.

I guess England uses feet. Me? Dude, don't even get. Do they? I don't even know if they do. They use stone, whatever the fuck that is. Yeah, wait, that's, that, you know what? That's how we sound of the rest of the world.

world. The way we look at the British, they weigh their fucking British boxers in stone and we're like, is that how we said? We're talking about feet. So stupid. Anyway, I have so many questions from this game. Did you, all right? One, it was so cold. Did you see that the refrigerators were heaters?

Like they would take water out of the fridge? And then the waters would freeze. It literally looked like a White Walker had picked up a can of like soda. And it was like slowly freezing to the... Ridiculous. And then the beers would freeze. This happened to me.

I went to a Steelers game last year. That was like negative, negative nine with wind chill, negative 11. That's negative 27. Like, I had a beer freeze in like eight or nine minutes. There were people opening beers that would fizz and then freeze. And I was like, what happens? You take a piss. You got to get a hard A out there.

What temperature does whiskey freeze at? No, I feel like that. That's a great question. I'm on it. Okay. And then there was the Andy Reed frozen mustache. His walrus mustache just had icicles, which was the most absurd. thing I've ever seen. And I was wondering, Craig, this is a very important question.

I have to ask. Negative 16. Wow. Okay. That's good to know. Whiskey freeze. There you go. It's very close. Craig. What was it there? Negative four? But it got to negative seven or eight by the end of the game. Yeah, it kept getting colder. Andy reads mustache. I was wondering if what you guys think of what percentage of his frozen mustache ice schools were condensation from his breath going

up or snot coming down? Like what was the ratio of snot to breath in his icicle mustache? I'm going 8515 snot. That man's nose was probably leaking the entire game. You can't feel it. You can't feel your nose, so you can't feel the stuff coming out of your nose. It's like when you go to the dentist, you know, you're just like drooling. Their noses are probably so cold.

Do you think he prepared for that at all? Like, do you think there should have been some type of way to kind of insulate his mustache? What was it that he wore during COVID? He wore like the mask thing. Yeah, like the surgeon mask. Like Dexter would wear when he cut people's arms off. Dude, what did we live through? What the fuck was a pandemic?

And it came out a week later because it was the week one. It was Thursday. It was the first game of the season. And it fogged up so he couldn't see. So the next one came out. We never processed the pandemic. What was the hell was that era? I actually think the best episode we've ever done.

was in July 2021 when our first episode of the season preview was we just ranked the 25 weirdest things that happened last season. Can I tell you something? You know, there were no fans of that season? I have no memory of watching football games

with no fans in the stadium. And I actually refused to believe that that actually occurred. I totally remember that. There's so many crazy random things. I remember like Derek Carr having some whole game where we just heard every play call. They just miced them up for no reason. And we just heard every single audible at the line

with such clarity. And I was like, oh. dude anyway that was weird oh patrick mom's his helmet broke sorry I know we started about the dolphins

oh yeah this was so we're gonna lose all this to the moment his helmet broke on one hand you can see his brains dude michel mitchell schwartz

a former chief had this great point that is like people are making fun of this like it's bad for the helmet I would prefer the helmet redistribute the force to the helmet

instead of my fucking head probably right yeah and it's like oh it's good point yeah it's like how cars like crunch around the frame.

Right. But they keep you safe in your seat. People are like, oh, the car broke. I'm like, yeah. And you're fine. That's the idea. Yeah. But anyway, I thought that was all insane.

Carlos, get in here. Get in here, Carlos. All right. Carlo, okay. So, Dolphins lost by 14. Carlos. Are you mad or are you just disappointed? I'm sorry, Carlos, they did not lose by 14.

So I was wrong. They lost by 19. Yeah, the dolphins lost. 26 to 7, Carlos, the thing that triggers you the most is when Craig jokes about the Tua underthrowing Tiree Kill by 10 yards, the only touchdown the dolphins had in this game was I actually think the worst underthrow to his ever had to Tyree Kill that was so late, Tyree Kill paused long enough to get past interference. The guy bounced. I hit the brakes. They're going to fly right by. Then the ball arrived. They should classify

these throws as punts. It should say Tua punted to Tarty Kill for a touchdown. I think that's what They should call it. So, Carlos, I just, where are you right now on this dolphin's season? I don't know. It was fun. The frustrating part is that, like, the highs were so high. And then, like, it just ended where it always ends. So, like, would you rather have loved and lost or never to have loved at all, you know?

Carlos, you texted us on Saturday night. You sent a tweet that someone wrote that said, this dolphin season was, like, joining the High Club on the flight that lost the door? Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it feels like. It feels like, wow, that was really great. Oh, no, it's over. This was terrible.

I'm going to die. Hey, honey, take a picture. Ah, I'm dead. I just, I don't know. It's like, this is just all I've known, to be honest. So it is what it is. Are you prepared to give $240 million? No, absolutely not.

I don't know how you can't. So the thing is, like, I know all of his big games this year ended terribly. Like, it just did not go well. And you would think that there would be some sort of positive regression on that front because it was just like every single one this year. All of them were on the road except for the Bills game. I don't know. It's just a really frustrating thing where now I just don't know what exactly the plan should be.

Carlos, you really, I don't know. You opened my eyes earlier this season, how sad the dolphins are of a fan base, which never gets talked about because Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota. These are sad fan bases in cold places. And no one cares about dolphins because they're in Miami. But when you were like the best offense I've seen in my lifetime was the Wildcat offense that famously did not have a quarterback, I was like, wow. And also, too, I made the Pro Bowl this year.

And it's the first time they have a Pro Bowl quarter. They were the only team that I have a Pro Bowl quarterback in the 21st century. Yeah. and I think that honestly the dolphins are the Rams when the Rams went and won the or lost the Super Bowl of the Patriots, they extended Jared Gough because how could you not? And then McVeigh immediately was like,

oh, this is the person like holding us back and they traded him one year into the extension. I think that that's where you guys are. It's like the Daniel Jones thing. It's like, Tua is the best quarterback you've seen in 20 years. Getting rid of him is such a callous thing to say that people who have no staking,

like what you watch. People who don't give a shit about the dolphins could say that. But at the same time, a year from now, once he gets the 50 million a year, he's the person people are going to blame, not Tyree Kiel or Mike McDaniel.

If they give him, I just don't think you can reasonably give him like the massive extension. There might be some sort of middle ground extension. And I know like a lot of people think that's unreasonable, but I think like that Tua wouldn't accept that. But, honestly, like, what's his market outside of Miami?

And I think, like, he has to realize that, like, on some level. What's Miami's market outside of Tua is also how you... Well, exactly. That's a whole other thing because, like, okay, you can go into, like, well, I think Ruiz and Solac have famously been saying stuff like, oh, I can't wait until Mike McDaniel gets his Stafford. And it's just like, okay, that's lovely to say, where is the Stafford situation? Like there's, that was a very rare situation where there's a great quarterback who

wanted to break up with this team. Didn't do a lot of winning, but was undeniably a very good quarterback who was available. I just don't know what where that, like, is it Kirk Cousins? But then it's like, I don't know what, what's the difference between Kirk Cousins and Tua? Realistically, like, I just don't know. You know, you guys know the meme of the manager and the employee and one is standing on a plank of wood over a cliff. and the person at the edge of the plank is holding a gun on the person standing on the base of the cliff.

To me, that is what the dolphins in two are in right now. They're spoiled and it's like if any of us, if you move, you're dead and if you move, you're dead. And so we're just going to have to stay here forever. I guess. And that leaves the fan base in like this really weird place of just like I don't know what I'm supposed to be expecting going forward. I've heard people talk about Gino Smith.

Through that out there. has a new coaching staff. He's cheap. Joe Flacco's on the market, I heard. There you go. He's available. Perfect. All right, thank you, Carlos.

And I'm, like, genuinely sorry. I'm like Cowboys fans where I'm kind of fake. Sorry. Whatever, it was fun. It was fun for, like, a really solid chunk of the season. It was fun. I just literally, like, the last time the Dolphins won a playoff game, I was five years old.

So I'd have no memory of it. It's, this is all I know. It's sad. Any... This is awesome. No. You're mistaken. You don't live in Miami.

That, like... I guess. Like, it's snowing outside right now and I'm just... This is bullshit. Um, but yeah, any, uh, pain, any pain rankings that doesn't have the dolphins in top three is anti-Miamy bias. You guys need to, like, come on. This ridiculous.

It's so warm there. You had LeBron. Jimmy Butler. Yeah. The heat is like who can't finish the finals is my saving grace. a hot shot at Chibi Pully right there. They're working hard. So, divisional round,

division around matchups, I'm not going to lie, is still pretty sick. We have Chief Spills, part six or whatever it is, is pretty good. Bucks, lions, which, you know,

number one picks, Baker, Mayfield, golf, underdog. Revitalized. Yeah. Well, anyone in America

want the Bucks to win that football game. My God. No. just no the bucks dude bucks bucks like just do you know I actually have the bucks

to win the ncc at like a hundred to one I would win like thousands of dollars the lions didn't play that well and like the Texans have a have a really tough matchup against Baltimore you have the Packers going into San Francisco and you have the bucks going into Detroit if you had to pick one of the teams to win

one of those games who are you picking because one's probably going to win the bucks can't run the ball having said that the Lions D kind of sucks so it's like no defense sucks no defense sucks like the Eagles defense sucks right now

that's a whole different like Eagles I'm saying they look pretty good this weekend I'm saying it's like it would be Jared Goff melting against Todd Bulls like a couple Todd Bulls blitz plays and he just like up they pick six twice

and he actually played well otherwise but like that that to me is like the bucks have a realistic shot I think they'll lose because they can't run but it wouldn't be crazy it's not crazy if Jared Goff there's a couple of Jared Goff we just saw he picks Mountain that's the argument it's like Jared

got golf is going to have six days being like that was the greatest thing of my life I've ever done I'm complete as a person I brought to yeah they get the ass kicked the come down game or whatever you call it what is what's the term I use post the clarity I don't know no that's that's a little different I think

letdown game yeah you got to maintain the high you know you gotta keep keep the edge you got an edge you know they go right to the edge and like stay there Texans Texans Ravens was the first game of the season that was week one so that's good all the games are good You guys want to do a couple emails?

Yes. Emails. Email. This one's from Max. Max. Maxy. I heard you guys talking about the difficulty of explaining weird sports terms to people that are not familiar with sports. Specifically, when you read the email about the guy explaining the term playoff birth to his girlfriend.

This past weekend, I was talking with my roommate about... Is it after you get out of the playoffs, the afterbirth? Hello? fucking hey the Eagles are currently experiencing the afterbirth I hear a Daniel Plainfew's voice I hear that and that there will be blood like

you just have to birth the lie anyway this past weekend I was as Max's email this past weekend I was talking with my roommate about NFL playoffs and he mentioned that the bills had clinched either way which led my girlfriend small flex to ask flex

they did what and I spent the next five minutes explaining the difference between clench and clinch because she thought the word was like clenches and like the NFL clenched the muscle movement. And she made a pretty compelling case that clenching a playoff spot tense refers to tightening on accomplishing a season goal. And I did like, no, it's clinch. But like I also didn't know why. I'm trying to think of no.

I've ever heard any context of clinching. Clinch is in boxing. It's like, oh, they're clinching. And I'm like, yeah, that has nothing to do with them. Yeah, I've only ever used clinch to say that you, like, secured your spot in something. Speechless. This word is ridiculous. That's a really good one.

I'm sure it's used in other contexts, but I can't think of one right now. I'm going to Google use clinch in a sentence. Yeah, it's a struggler, skull for a close quarters, especially in boxing. A knot used to fasten a rope. It is a variant of clench, which was maybe very obvious. But do you think it's just clenched and then I'm amazed with things like this. You know, when Craig had that argument with his roommate with his like your friend in college where it was like impotent versus impotent. Like I was wrong five seconds in and I just went with it.

Sometimes that person who knows their wrong actually wins the argument. And you know what I mean? I think what if someone just used clinch and they meant clench? And it just stuck with it for like decades. Yeah. I mean, more often than not, the louder person wins the argument. Well, this is how language. This is how language works.

It's like I follow this guy on TikTok that is like a language etymologist or whatever. It's like, yeah, back in 1654, this guy published a book that said this word for the first time. And then you see it start popping up. It's like that is how language works. It's like one guy says it and then it sticks because everyone else starts saying it. One guy just measured a British boxer in stone. And everyone's like, sure. It's so wild.

But yeah. Feet and inches. Clinches, actually. inches is a derivation of clenches I don't think that there's no way that's correct it goes up at the sky An old wooden ship clenched

someone also emailed in because there was some of how Janet Jackson the boob thing happened but my parents were downstairs and I just like they didn't know and I just like saw it was like oh that's weird and then someone else emailed in that they were watching the booing happened you're saying that was your first your first boob was Janet Jackson

at the Super Bowl yeah and but my like I just watched it on television I was you know CBS what year was for me. What year was that Super Bowl? 2002? 2001. Can you imagine if that happened today? The internet would have had a fucking meltdown.

That is like at all time if the internet had been around what would Twitter and Instagram have been like. Well, the internet was around in 2002, wasn't it? But not in a way that you could communicate with the world. Right. In a different way. It was just booms. Yeah. Al Gore was still trying to figure it all out, you know.

Anyway, Andrew emailed. to say that there's this like airplane. Andrew. I guess they were watching airplane and he said, in the movie there's a catac scene when everyone was panicking. My parents both get up to get a coffee in the kitchen and then like a topless woman walks on screen

for like two seconds. This is in the movie airplane? Yes. Oh, I didn't even know that. He said, I can't link to the clip because it's only on board websites, but if you Google airplane movie nudity, you can literally see how quick and random it is

because his parents just turned around apparently. And he was just, sitting there, like, stunned. It didn't really have the language for it. This reminds me of so much of a story that I, so when I was in probably, I don't even know, it was third grade or something like that. I was probably, how old are you in third grade?

Like 10? Eight, seven, 40? Whatever. Sometime, yeah. I know like 30-year-olds right now. It was probably like fourth or fifth grade. So like 10 years old, 11 years old? And we're all.

Is it just five plus three? Let's just say elementary school. How about that at some point? And a whole bunch of us. That took us too long to figure out. Yeah, a whole bunch of us went to, Wait, wait, let's figure out how old you were for this story. It's kindergarten's five, first case, six, second.

This is like when parents are, like, trying to tell a story, and they just, like, get stuck on some incredibly irrelevant note. Was it 94 that we went to Cuba? 95, honey? Well. It's like a dumb and dumber when the guy's foot is on fire, and he's trying to get the phone number. She's like, wait, no, that's my old number.

Just give me the damn number. Anyway. Yeah, so we went over it. So there was like a whole bunch of us. Like it was an elementary school kid hangout party thing. And for some reason, we started watching. And the people that are the ghosts that are listening are going to have to like let me know which movie this was. But it was one of the Jason Voorhees movies, Halloween, one of them.

And there's a scene. He's not Halloween. Sorry. People are screaming. What is it? Friday the 13th? Yeah. People are screaming.

This is very similar genre. And by the way, I don't watch horror movies. But anyway, so there's one scene where these two people are having sex in a tent. And it's like pretty graphic. She's like on top of them grinding. Her boobs are out. And we're like 10 years old. And we're watching this movie.

There's like eight or nine kids there and like this person's parents that the house were at. The one kid with the one kid with some facial hair has to like excuse himself to go to the bathroom. It was, oh my God. It was like a formative moment for me. That's the most awkward I've ever like bid in my life. Anyways, in the middle of the sex scene, like, Jason, like, stabs through this girl. And, like, it was, like, really gruesome. I'm like, why are you showing this movie to a bunch of 10-year-olds?

But anyways, yeah, that was a little awkward. If anyone's, people that have seen that movie know, at least based on my memory as a 10-year-old, it's very graphic. I like the title to Andrew's email, just to bring it back full circle here. The title of Andrew's email is the subject is suddenly boobs. It sounds like slam poetry. Suddenly, boobs. So I married an ax murderer. Woman.

Whoa. Whoa. Man. Yeah. She stole my heart. I knew from the start. Suddenly, boobs. And then they also did that jump street when he's like,

Cynthia. Cynthia, sit die for Cynthia. All right. We should get out here. Thank you, D.K. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Carlos, for reducing this episode and for sharing your pain for content purposes. Also, wait, wait, wait, wait, one more thing.

Quickly, Carlos texted us. Does the Chargers drafting Breeze, then Rivers, then Herbert count as a team drafting three good quarterbacks in a row? Oh, yeah, that doesn't count because they kick. Breeze to the curve. Yeah. Yeah, they ditched. But that's a good thought. Did they ditch Breeze or did Breeze demand them?

demand to be traded. His elbow came out the, like the side door of his arm. And then they were like, yeah, I don't know if that's going to work. Which wasn't a terrible idea. Oh, wait, no, sorry. They drafted Eli Manning, right? Well, no, they drafted, they drafted Eli. And Eli had been like, I'm not going to play for you.

And Archie was like, I'm not going to play for you privately. The Chargers called him and were like, we're calling your bluff. We're drafting you. And Archie was like, ha, not a bluff, kid, we're not showing up.

And they're like, oh, shit. And then they, the giants, and then the giants took Philip Rivers and they traded him.

But Archie Manning just tried to just big dick the charges. So like, they, they, it was like an NBA, like draft, it was like the,

drafted by the wrong team. Like, Philip Rivers essentially was a charger by the next day or whatever. Or, he did play one, two, three, four,

he did play five seasons. I guess I didn't, I didn't really remember. I didn't remember that he played five seasons. So, yeah, That makes it not bad. Yeah.

That's a good one, Carlos. Email is or your fancy football at gmail.com. If you have other quarter, three quarterback, it's not just Montana and Steve Young. It's like three quarterbacks that other people would be jealous of. Other movies that you saw at sleepovers that were really weird and inappropriate. And then, yeah, other weird stuff. Tell me what movie that was. I want to go back to watch that scene.

Anything about, if doctors can weigh in on. peeing in weather that would freeze beer or like any reach mustache to composition anything we'll take anything all right thank you lorne uh thank you blur do you guys remember song two song two no idea with this no one of the all-time great pump-up songs in history go listen to it if i was playing in the major leagues i would use that song as my pump-up song should dan campbell use that next week? Oh, hell yeah. Should we do this? Another, we did the crescendo playlist. Do you know, I actually made it, everyone can, like, add songs to the playlist, which

I didn't totally do on purpose, but I kind of don't have everyone that. I, well, I didn't realize that what I was doing, but I did. I added everyone can add songs. Don't everyone go do it. I can see who does it so I could remove it if you're, you know, we should, we should make a playlist of the all-time great walk-up songs for when you're going to up to bat in the major leagues.

Walk up or there's pregame, like what you would listen to in the locker room before a game, but then there's walk-up songs. Yeah, but those are totally different. I know. I'm saying I kind of want both. Okay, okay. My era was like when I was on the bus to my basketball games, I was listening to like,

rage against the machine and like Snoop Dog and stuff. Dude, till I collapse. All time high school warm-up song for our generation is till I collapse. until I collapse and Craig you know what I'm going to say the other one there's till I collapse I remember the name God damn right

Absolutely dude Those are like What What's the first of it Remember the name by Fort Minor 10% luck 20% skill 15% yeah

I don't know that stuff Dund dun dunn Duna no no no Ultimate like I'm on a school bus heading to some random football game where we're going to lose by like 40 points And I'm like I'm never going to die Listening to Nate Dahl

Honestly Like the Bulls on a parade. Pure back then. Dude, Bulls on parade. My high school football coach literally like, teet was like, that's how we play. This is the song.

Adam. He's like, this is who we are. I remember Headstrong was big, I think. I think people used to play Headstrong. Do you guys remember that song? Headstrong.

Like trapped? Listen to headstrong. Dude, Bullsone parade is like, I think I was singing the wrong one, actually. Hold on. No, that's bullsum parade. Oh, no, that's it. Bullsum parade to me is like the sound of what football feels like or should feel like.

Like, the lions are Bulls and, like, that is what they are. Dude, when I hear until I collapse, I just think of like a bunch of 5-11 white guys running out to play basketball. And their warmups ripping off the pants that come off, the button pants. Wack if I'm not the baddest. You're like, boom, with the freaking trainers off. Lay-up line just starting clanking jumpers. Quakers table. Just throwing up

fucking bricks. No one's smiling. Everyone's mugging? Do you guys remember the Pete Oversett video that he posted on Twitter? And it was like every fantasy football podcast and it was like him facing away

from the camera and it's like this like just hardcore like badass rap like intro and then he like turns around. He's like, hi, I'm welcome to the Ringer Fantasy football show. He didn't say ringer, but so many people. So many people tagged us in this tweet, which is, fuck you. First of all.

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