The Ringer NFL Show - Will Jalen Hurts Last? Plus: Week 14 Winners & Losers and Playoff Waivers

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

We dive immediately into winners and losers from Week 14, including the pleasant surprise of QB streamers who panned out, Jalen Hurts’s promising start, and Diontae Johnson’s case of the dropsies.... Then we break down a legendary week for The Ringer Fantasy Burn Book roster and recommend our top waiver adds as we head into week two of fantasy playoffs. Winners: Jalen Hurts (4:05) Late-blooming RBs (8:30) First-round draft picks (11:15) Losers: Josh Jacobs (15:35) Diontae Johnson (19:50) Elite WRs (25:27) Rookie WRs (27:12) Fantasy Burn Book (28:05) Waiver adds (33:13) Email us for our Wednesday mailbag episode at Ringerfantasyfootball@gmail.com! Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everyone, we are doing a playoff mailbag for Wednesday's episode. So email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. Send us your fantasy playoff questions or we really want embarrassing best man speech stories from weddings. We'll explain that later. But ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. On today's episode of the ringer fantasy football show, we discussed the winners and losers of the fantasy playoffs and who you should pick up on waivers this week to stay alive for a championship or just avoid last place. Also, D.K. explains why Josh Jacobs' cryptic Instagram post was like a terrible wedding speech. Stick around.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. I'm Danny Hafeits. Here at Danny Kelly and Craig Coralbeck. Guys, it is the fantasy playoffs. We're here. Yeah. How does it feel, D.K.? Well, who knows if we're here?
Starting point is 00:01:01 D.K., are you here still in the playoffs? Some people are gone. I had a few bye weeks, so I got to kind of just relax and not stress too much about that. But at the same time, those bye weeks can be a little bit fresher. too because you're like, man, Frick Henry, Derek Henry goes off for one of his best games ever, and of course it's just a buy week. It doesn't even really matter
Starting point is 00:01:21 for your league. It's a brutal part of fantasy football. Oh, please. Oh, it's totally brutal. I have first world problem. This is a luxury of the top fantasy rung. This is like complaining about your capital gains taxes. Do it, but do it in private. I don't want to hear about it. It's certainly champagne problems, but like I have
Starting point is 00:01:36 a league where I have a buy and my team dropped to $150, and it really does feel like you're expensing all that effort now. It means you're not going to have it the next week. It doesn't, I know it's not actually, I think in reality, I was talking to my friend, like, what do you actually want out of your bi-week team playoffs? Do you want them to play really well, kind of average or terribly? Because some people would argue, oh, if they play terribly, they got it out of the way.
Starting point is 00:01:59 And now they're going to be good next week. But I think the actual correct response is you want them to play incredible, right? It only means good things for your players. I don't know. I'm in the middle. I'm in the middle. The key in life is have zero expectations. Would you rather your team drop 180 or 100 on buy?
Starting point is 00:02:15 I don't want them to blow their wad, so to speak. So to speak. Literally. It's tough. No, it's like, I don't know. I don't want them to like go totally off because then it's like lightning is not going to strike twice for most of these guys. Like Derek Henry. But doesn't that just show if they play well, that just bodes well for the future, right?
Starting point is 00:02:33 Playing well means they're good players. Yeah. So that's good. I can't get over blow your wads, so to speak. It's like Taledago And he's like with all due respect I don't give a velvet Peyton of a whale and dolphin You can't just say whatever
Starting point is 00:02:47 Okay So what this said Let's just I feel like the The real big story for fantasy this week Is whatever happened to you personally So with that said Let's just get it at top scores of the week here QB1 Aaron Rogers
Starting point is 00:03:02 QB2 is Tua Holy cow And then Derek Carr was actually the QB3 Which how about that? He's on one. Top running back was Derek Henry and then... Of course. Jonathan Taylor was the RV2.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Love it. And Miles Sanders was the RB3, which... The Burn Book special. We're going to get to that. Yeah, the Burn Book. The Burn Book's the real winner the week here. Tyree Kales is the Receiver 1. Stefan Diggs was the receiver 2.
Starting point is 00:03:29 Tyne Hilton Receiver 3. Really, what an amazing week for the Burn Book. Tide in 1 was Travis Kelsey. Tied in 2 is Mike Yisciki. Tied in through his Irv Smith Jr. And then the top defenses were Washington, the L.A. Rams, and the Cardinals. Those are the top scorers. But D.K., who won the week?
Starting point is 00:03:46 So there's a lot of good winners this week, but I wanted to kind of like pack everyone into one group. The people who had the balls to stream quarterbacks this week, I feel like we talked about this last week when we were discussing Kyler Murray and just how, I mean, it's probably best to dance with Hubrungia in this scenario. And only a few people were going to be actually streaming quarterbacks. There's no buys. Not too many guys are at hers. So that was all not wrong necessarily because I don't think anybody got screwed too much this year with or this week with quarterbacks. But the group of top 12 quarterbacks, aka the QB1s this week, were like a lot of streamers.
Starting point is 00:04:23 So it was Tua, Carr, Drew Locke, Mitch Trubisky, Teddy Bridgewater, Jalen Hertz, and Rivers. And then another two guys who were kind of borderline streamers and Taysam Hill and Kurt Cousins were all in the top 12. So basically nine of the top 12 guys were borderline streamer-esque quarterbacks. And I think Hertz was the main headliner I wanted to talk about just because he was awesome. Tua was great too. I'm not sure that he'll have that type of game every week just because of the way they run their offense. But Jalen Hertz to me looks like a guy who really elevated himself from streamer to, in my view, a must start based on the way that they use him in that offense. So not only did he show that he's a decent passer
Starting point is 00:05:08 He didn't have like a great day passing But against a very good Saints defense He went 17 of 30 for 167 yards and a touchdown But he had 18 rushes for 106 yards That was the he and Lamar Jackson are now the only two Quarterbacks who have rushed for 100 yards in their first start as a pro So that is pretty crazy to think about 106 yards on the ground 18 rushes that many of them were designed
Starting point is 00:05:34 run rushes. Like, they pulled out all the stops when they were doing their ground game. It was like a lot of read option stuff and all kinds of different read option runs. And so to me, Hertz was the big winner from both a real football since, you know, since they beat the Saints. And then also just from fantasy, this guy's like kind of coming out of nowhere to be a startable quarterback in my view. I mean, it's the comest I've ever seen anyone play in their opening game as a quarterback, maybe any position. I don't think anyone I've ever seen. it's just been so in control. And then it got me thinking,
Starting point is 00:06:06 was that even one of the five biggest games that Jalen Hertz has played in? I know, right? Because he was at Alabama national title game. CC championship come back. Yeah, and so he's seen some shit. He's been there for multiple teams. And I mean, like we mentioned last week,
Starting point is 00:06:23 man, his stats at Oklahoma were just insane. The amount of rushing yards that he picked up. I don't think I, I think I underrated how good of a runner he is. I always thought he'd be like a solid, like red zone runner when he got to the NFL. Like a DAC? Yeah, exactly. He's powerful.
Starting point is 00:06:38 He's physical. Like there was a third in one or some third and short play that he got it. And he got hit in the hole with the linebacker. And then he just was like, nope, I'm going to keep moving forward in a way that you don't really see from quarterback. So there's like Josh Allen or Cam Newton. He's not that big, but he's powerful. I thought he was going to be exactly like a DAC guy who could use in the Red Zone. But he reminds me more of Russell Wilson early in his career where they're actually designing.
Starting point is 00:07:02 their offense around the read option. I mean, this is one game, so who knows exactly what's going to be? In Russell Wilson's, the early part of Russell Wilson's career, when he broke out in 2012, late 2012 and 2013, he and Marshawn Lynch had this awesome symbiotic relationship where they were just doing read option stuff all the time and totally faking out teams. They built everything off that run game,
Starting point is 00:07:25 their play action, passing game, all that stuff. So Hertz to me was actually a little bit surprising in how, I guess, like, explosive. he was as a runner. He's not Lamar Jackson, clearly, as, like, in style. But he was picking up good chunks of yards. And so I think that was, that was obviously a big time winner. He's, he's a must add if he's on the waiver wire for you guys. And then the other person that I think he really unlocked was Miles Sanders, which is, you know, we talked about that on Friday, I believe, how the read option could potentially open up more gaps, make things more difficult for the
Starting point is 00:07:56 defense, help unlock Miles Sanders. Obviously, he's going to be taking some of these red zone carries away from Sanders, potentially. but I don't know if this first game is probably a net positive yeah exactly if this game is any indication Sanders could be a lot better down the stretch than he has been over the last month yeah no I mean that gets to my winner the week my winner for this week is just all the people the fantasy managers who stuck with struggling running backs because if you look at like miles Sanders number one I mean how much was the discussion this week of do you even play him in the fantasy playoffs what do you do he is a lot of people benched him yeah a lot of people benched him
Starting point is 00:08:31 Jonathan Taylor, he has more than 50 points in the last two weeks. David Montgomery, who I think he has more points in the last three weeks than he did in the previous nine weeks combined. You've got Cam Acres who had 20 plus points on Thursday night football. Kenyon Drake has gone from a dud in the first half of the year. He's amazing again. The struggling running backs, if you stuck with them this week, really rewarded other than Zinc, who sucks. But everyone else, I thought was pretty clear, like, wow, like the perseverance paid off. That's a very interesting point to me because if you were able to sneak into the playoffs with these guys as sort of like your main running backs, like it completely changes the complexion of the playoffs if these guys are all of a sudden just going to start going off every week.
Starting point is 00:09:16 If Jonathan Taylor is going to go off every week, that makes like a six seed or however deep your playoffs go in your league like really dangerous down the stretch. So I think that's really fascinating. It's kind of funny because we talk about anti-fragility and it's like all these running backs ended up working out. the end of the year. A lot of them have paid off. Can I add one note about Jalen Hertz that I like about him? No. Okay. I'm only speaking to Danny Kelly then.
Starting point is 00:09:43 I like that he's been benched in a major setting. Like the man has already hit his low point. Don't you think? Yeah, no. He's, he got Carson Wentz before Carson Wentz ever did. He's hardened. Like, he's already a grizzled vet and he's a rookie in the NFL. I love that. I feel like mentally he's so much further along.
Starting point is 00:10:01 then his now backup, Carson Wentz, who's going through probably what Jalen Hertz went through in college. Did you see, like, his pressers and interviews and stuff, both in the week preceding? I didn't catch his post-game presser. I just kind of saw some blurbs of it, but the dude is serious business. You know what I mean? Like, he's just, like, exactly what you're saying. It's like, he's been here. This is not too big for him. It doesn't feel like he's nervous at all. I can't, I mean, I have to imagine that he was nervous as hell. He's never shown it for one moment of his life. You could not tell.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, like the child of a celebrity, like they're just, they're comfortable with the cameras on. Like, they've already been there. They understand what it's like to have flashing lights all the time. What, he's like, Riley Curry? Well, we'll see what happens with Riley. I'm excited about Hertz.
Starting point is 00:10:48 I think he has a chance to be good in the league, which is, yeah, which is really exciting. It's been really good for him. Obviously, really good for the Eagles offense. Terrible for the Giants, unfortunately. But Eagles are a winner. Craig, who's your winner for the week? My winner for the week is it's not only for,
Starting point is 00:11:01 for the week. It's almost like for the year. And it just made me think about it because now that it's playoffs and, you know, games are really important and actually deciding things and money's on the line, the people who drafted boring players this year, shouts out to them. They won because they're going to win your league most likely. Because you know how, you know, when we went to the draft, a common phrase that we would throw out is like, you want the guy who hasn't had his best year already, right? You want the guy who's going to have his best year. Well, a lot of people who were drafted this year who were quote unquote already had their best year or having better years this year like i think we talked about that with derrick henry we talked about that with dalvin cook i mean
Starting point is 00:11:38 devonte adams you could have argued has already had his best year tyrie kill dandre hopkins travis kelsey all of these guys we were all like eh not as sexy as picks as like these other guys we were all obsessed with miles you're buying high yeah yeah yeah sayquan's upside joe mixon with burrow like we were kind of in this this fantasy land and if you go and look at all those born quote unquote boring guys this year. Derek Henry, I'm going to do from week one to week 14 last year and this year compared. Derek Henry was the RB3 last year, scoring 18 points a game. This year, he's the RB3 score 19 points a game, which is pretty great. Derek Henry's year last year was incredible and he's beating it. Dalvin Cook was doing 20 a game at this point last year as the RB2. He's doing 23 this
Starting point is 00:12:18 year as the RB1. Tyree Kill's been seven points better a game this year. DeAndre Andre Hopkins, a little worse, but right there. And Travis Kelsey was seven points better per game? Correct. He didn't have that many touchdowns last year, and that was the problem. This year he's scoring like crazy. Yeah. And then if you go to Travis Kelsey, Travis Kelsey threw week 14 last year was the tight end one with 12.7 a game. This year he's the tied end one with 17 a game. Speaking about Kelsey, I want to, he, he has been to me the biggest Glansburg of the whole fucking season.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Because I don't think we've talked about him one time, but he might be legitimately. He might legitimately be the MVP player of the season. He leads the league in receiving yards He would be the first tight end to ever do that That is crazy Wow Travis Kelsey leads to the league in receiving yards guys And then Tyree Kill has 14 touchdowns
Starting point is 00:13:08 I was listening to the Roto World Pod this morning And they were both They were both talking about how Like they didn't realize Kelsey was leading the league It's like because you get so in the weeds With points per game and things like that per game And I'm guilty of this all the time too
Starting point is 00:13:25 Like I lose track of like the big picture who has the most receiving yards? I don't ever look at that, really. And so the fact that Kelsey is leading the NFL. You're like Charlie Kelly and like the try to map out the mail room. The fact that Kelsey is leading the league in receiving yards, number one is a shocking stat and number two is super impressive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:46 I think all the Galaxy Brain people are losing this year in fantasy. Like all the guys who walked in the day up and were like, oh, who's good? Derek Henry's good. Travis Kelsey's good. Those guys are winning. Yeah, you're so right. I remember, honestly,
Starting point is 00:13:57 one of the most memorable quotes I remember on this podcast from one of you two. The one that stuck with me is that Craig was like, one of our August episodes, Craig was like, every year I don't draft Travis Kelsey. And every year by week two, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:14:12 God damn, I wish I drafted Travis Kelsey. And it's going to happen to me this year too. Even though I'm saying this, I'm not going to draft him. I wish I had. And this is like the ultimate I wish to draft Travis Kelsey year.
Starting point is 00:14:22 And now we're all going to do it next year. We're not going to know what to do again. But yeah, I just... You're totally right. We're going to talk ourselves into him being a year older. Oh, he's 32. This might be a drop off here.
Starting point is 00:14:32 It's going to be the exact same shit. I guarantee you. It's like, no, you know what Travis Kelsey's like? It's like Tesla stock. We're like, oh, well, that's going to come down. Nope. Double, triple, quadruple, screw it. Like, I guess I should have just got in.
Starting point is 00:14:45 Oops. No, I like that. All right. Well, not everything's all fun in games, though. This is the fantasy playoffs. Let's be real. A lot of people went home in heartbreak, including me. I had some rough losses yesterday, too.
Starting point is 00:14:56 I don't want to make it sound like I'm only in five weeks because I'm not an asshole. You pay regular taxes too, not just capital gains. Okay, no, who lost the week, though, for you guys? Like, who's the loser the week? Yeah, we're doing losers this week. Yeah, we haven't really done this a lot, but we probably should because it's kind of fun.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Well, it was 2020. We were trying to be positive. We were trying to wait until 2021 to get into losers, but we couldn't. So I've got two. The first one I actually want to talk about is Josh Jacobs, who did you guys were you guys paying attention early on Sunday morning between like I guess it was like nine and ten o'clock Pacific time there was varying reports of whether he was even going to play because the reports on Saturday night were like oh Josh Jacobs is expected to suit up and play blah blah blah the athletic reported that the Raiders were planning on having him play and be a big part of their offense and then on IG like three hours before the game Josh Jacobs says sorry guys I'm not playing ha ha ha, like the laughing emoji.
Starting point is 00:15:58 And that just threw the fantasy world into like a maelstrom of like, oh my God, what are we going to do? The CEH situation where he suited up and then didn't play a snap was really fresh in the front of our minds. And so I know I was texting with a couple of different people like, should I play Josh Jacob? Should I play Josh Jacobs? Like, I don't fucking know.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Like I don't know what the deal is. This is weird as hell. I ended up playing him. And at the end of the day, it actually was probably, like it depends on who else you had, but it probably wasn't even a good idea to play him. He was the RB21. He wasn't that great. 8.9 points. I mean, he's not going to, he didn't lose people probably many battles, but he certainly didn't win anybody with that performance. And I don't know. To me, I'm like, I don't know what his deal was with doing that. I think, I guess like the bottom line is like maybe he was
Starting point is 00:16:43 trying to be funny or something. But to me, that was like, what is wrong with this guy's sense of humor? It's the first week of the playoffs. Like, this is important to a lot of people and he makes that joke. It kind of just reminds me of like a groomed. who goes up and jokes about how many girls the groom has like had sex with in his like speech in front of the faith and thinks it's like hilarious it's probably more of a movie trope than a real life trope hopefully that's not a thing i mean it's not a thing like explicitly saying he's fucked all these girls but it's like more like oh you know he had a little time in the wild he sewed his wild oats it's like don't fucking say that in your speech you idiot I'm surprised. Somebody finally nailed him down. Pretty crazy. Yeah, anyways, my point is, it's not funny.
Starting point is 00:17:28 You're the only one who thinks this is funny, Josh Jacobs. So that was annoying. It's funny how much power these players hold and they wield with their fucking social media. They can just send all of these nerds into just absolute tailspins by tweeting one thing. It changes the whole trajectory of the day if they want to screw with everybody.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Two things. One, I like how Craig said these nerds instead of us nerds. No, we're not nerds. Craig's the Instagram expert here. I'm curious what your initial reaction to this Josh Jacobs thing was. Because I just think, from his perspective, awful, but from his perspective,
Starting point is 00:18:00 it was probably pretty funny. Absolutely. I mean, I think I would hate fantasy football if I was in the NFL or the NBA or whatever. So I would, I think this whole, like, this new world of communication where, like, you could tweet an emoji in it. People write articles, like, bleach report,
Starting point is 00:18:17 The Ringer probably would come out with an article if LeBron James tweeted the people the emoji of a rocket. Like, it would change the entire week, probably. Yeah, it changes people in the content business. It takes a picture of the rocket on his phone and then tweets that. So I'm all for Josh Jacobs screwing with everybody. I think it's great.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I think that's great. I want to make it clear, though, under no circumstances should you tweet or snap or whatever, any of the social media things at athletes about this kind of thing. I'm just, I'm advocating complaining about it in this forum. Not to him directly. You complain in our safe space. In our dark, dorky chat rooms.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Josh Jacobs upset me this week. You mean Twitter? When you say dorky chat room? Because that's what Twitter is. Right, right. So he was my first loser. I want to add one more just because we got to talk about it. Deonté Johnson was benched for most of the first and second quarter.
Starting point is 00:19:14 I don't know if you guys remember this. I tweet about this like two weeks ago because Johnson was starting to drop a lot of passes. I talked to you guys about this before where every game, it's just he's sloppy. you know, he just makes like a few mistakes in every game. I'm like, man, this guy can either be like a wide receiver one or straight up benched. And he got benched. It didn't last for the whole game. He came out and played in the second half.
Starting point is 00:19:37 I think he actually played every second half snap. But ended up just four catches for 40 yards. Obviously very disappointing. He had two drops early in the game and Tomlin sat his ass down. So does this change your view of how it's going to happen? What's going to happen next week? Craig, you're the, you're the Steelers fan. What do we do here?
Starting point is 00:19:56 No, I don't think it changes anything. I don't think. I don't think coaches don't know how to bench people properly. Yeah. All right, tell us expert motivator, Craig. Craig's had this take before. I just, I don't understand it. Like, I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:20:10 I have a personal anecdote about my brother. This is a bit personal, but my brother playing high school basketball. He had a coach who was so kind of obsessed with efficiency and basically like if a player made a bad play, he'd yank him. If my brother shot a three and missed and it was an ill-advised three, he'd pull him. That was my coach in high school too. And whether these high school coaches are just like, you know, power craze because they want to be like John Calapari and they're not is maybe one thing. But like, I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:20:35 So Deontay Johnson drops two passes. He's clearly devastated. And they yank him. Everyone's staring at him. The cameras are on him. His hands are in his face in the bench. And he just sits for the whole half and gets cold. And then you're like, you know what? I don't know why, but we're just going to play in the second half as if something changed in the 35 minutes you sat on the bench and let your muscles tighten up. Now you'll come back and be better. I agree with what Chris Collinsworth said. He thought, he was like, I bet you Ben will throw right at him the next possession. And that's what I think they should have done. I don't agree with benching guys after fumbles. Maybe if they've done like three fumbles in a game. But I think you're mentally hindering these guys even more by taking
Starting point is 00:21:10 them out and acknowledging what they're doing when you already know they can normally operate at such a high level. No, I actually, I actually think it was probably smart. And first of all, I'm not going to pretend to be in Mike Tomlin's head. But remember that entering this game, the content they think was key. Entering this game, the Steelers had two consecutive games with five drop passes. That is how many, before that, they had had two games with five drop
Starting point is 00:21:33 passes in the previous 15 years combined. So they went 15 years with two games of drop passes, five drop passes, then they did in back-to-back weeks. So Mike Tomlin, after that second game, was like, either the receivers will catch the ball, or we will find people
Starting point is 00:21:49 who will, and they'll be benched. So that the first play of this game after that happened. The first play, they come out with a screen for Deonté Johnson, presumably after practicing this all week, and he drops the ball. And then on the next series, he drops the ball on third down again. And I think at that point, you have to make a statement because it's not just about Deontay Johnson.
Starting point is 00:22:09 It's about the Steelers. It's like he just unfortunately came in an example. Yes, of the whole team of like, get your shit together because I think Tomlin sees. But he didn't bench him after that first drop. He let him go for the second one. No, the second drop, he benched him for the rest of the half. I think, no, I think that it does make sense at a certain point to send a message to players, like, not in a necessarily a punishment way, but like, this isn't good enough.
Starting point is 00:22:31 And it wasn't. I think it instills fear. Eric Ebron has the dropsies a lot of times. He dropped a pass. They didn't yank him. I think it instills fear, and I think Deontre John Johnson did. Welcome to the NFL. Did you hear what John Gruden said on Hard Knocks this year or last year?
Starting point is 00:22:44 John Gruden in the Hard Knocks was like, I don't know, I know you all got dreams about making the NFL. You know what? That's not good enough. You have to end someone else. his dream. You have to be there a nightmare. And I was like, holy shit, he tells them that every day. You have to end someone else's dream. That's horrifying.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Yeah, but you know who I think doesn't speak like that? All the good coaches. I don't think Kyle Shanahan speaks like that. You think it's why they almost lost to the Jets? I don't know, man. Shannahan put Dante Pettis in the dog house and ended his career, basically. I think Deontay Johnson is now worried that he'll get benched every time he plays, and I think that's worse. Here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I agree with both of you guys. and this is maybe fence sitting or whatever, but I do think it depends on the person. Some people, it, like, acts as a good motivator. It's like, whether it's, you know, I don't know where it comes from, whether it's like, fuck this coach, I'm going to show him what's up,
Starting point is 00:23:34 or damn, he's right. I got to, like, refocus, blah, blah, blah. Some people will, like react that way, and other people will be like, oh, I suck. It's case by case. It's what being a good coach is is you have to understand the psyche of your player
Starting point is 00:23:46 and know how to mold it. So maybe Tomlin knows. Sometimes they just need a three-day best. Ender in Las Vegas and you send Michael Jordan to go get them. Yes. My takeaway from the last day is I wanted 10-part doc on Phil Jackson, because whenever I think of this stuff now, I just think about Phil Jackson and like, you know what, maybe Mike Tomlin should be assigning more books and stuff.
Starting point is 00:24:02 I don't know. To circle all the way around on this, though, at the end of the game, I actually feel more confident Deonti Johnson than I did at the beginning. He's so good. Because their offense couldn't do shit when he was out. Like for, I mean, they had like a couple of drives, I guess, but like they, like, for their specific offense that they're running right now. It's like a lot of short passes, a lot of stuff over the middle, a lot of stuff where you need someone to separate quickly and early in their
Starting point is 00:24:26 routes. Like, Deonti Johnson is the guy. That's why he's getting all these targets. So at the end of they could have lost the game because they wanted to teach him a lesson. I don't know. This is Craig, I love this because you're, you could, you get the, the Steelers fandom is coming out just a little. It is coming out. Just a little. But yeah, no, at the end of the day, I think you, you keep starting Deonté is the point. Yeah. Well, the Steelers lost this week and just speaking, my loser for the week, along with Deion. is just all the, like a lot of blue chip wide receivers that people were counting on for the playoffs
Starting point is 00:24:53 like dance with who brung you. Not that you were ever going to bench these guys, but they didn't dance very well. Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Adam Thielen, Justin Jefferson, Chase Claypool,
Starting point is 00:25:02 Robert Woods all had their worst performance in somewhere between six and seven weeks. God damn it. Just all of them. And that doesn't include Terry McLaurin whose worst two games of the year, fantasy-wise or his past two games, even though Washington played really well.
Starting point is 00:25:15 And then that doesn't include Devante Parker getting hurt in the middle of this game. It doesn't include Julio Jones missing this week or Brendan Cook's missing this week. Just a lot of guys that just, I don't want to be like failed you because, you know, they don't, you know, they don't need to do anything for you. But a lot of people were counting on them and just didn't show you. You should talk to them on IG about it too.
Starting point is 00:25:33 DM them, DM all of them. This makes me think of something that we should talk about during the off season. We could table it for now. But alternative methods for the fantasy playoffs that that help mitigate the variability of this. Like, I think it's tough to have a full season where you kick ass. your team is awesome and then you lose because like a few of your guys just have a bad game. I have a couple leagues. I have a couple leagues where we do a Royal Rumble over the final two weeks.
Starting point is 00:25:58 Like you have a one-on-one match up the first week and then you do a Royal Rumble for the final two weeks. And the person with the most points after the Royal Rumble wins the league. Wait, a Royal Rumble? That actually sounds amazing. I was going to shit on you. It's either four or six teams in the Royal Rumble and whoever has the most points at the end of two weeks wins. I was actually going to make fun of you, but I love this idea. So anyways, we can talk, we'll table that for later, but that's just an idea for next season.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Craig, any other losers? Any of them? I mean, you kind of touched on it. The rookie wide receiver is really flamed out and bit you in the ass this week. I mean, a lot of the rookie running backs are coming on, and this year is basically flipping. It's like, it's like seesawing. Last week, and I apologize if you had these guys because you're probably not playing next week. Justin Jefferson was the wide receiver 39, Jalen Rager, 43rd, C.D. Lamb, 45th.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Higgins, 49th. Pitman, 62nd. D-65th and Claypool 80th. And Ayuk was the only guy who was all right. Yeah. Because Debo got hurt for the 900th time. But man, it's kind of seesawed. It's completely reversed from the rookie running back at the start of the year weren't working out.
Starting point is 00:27:02 Oh, yeah, it has. And now it's kind of going back to what we always thought would happen. Does that mean that I can belatedly be right about one of the key arguments that D.K. and I had about rookie receivers? And I already admitted defeat and abandoned the hill about rookie receivers. Does that mean I can retake the hill? No. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Definitely not. The year sample size still leans receiver, but... Okay. Let's get to the burn book. Yes. The burn book... It was on one. This is an epic burn book week. Burn book's the real winner of the week. We had an amazing tweet from somebody, High Fitz. Do you want to read it? Yeah, so we got a tweet from JD who said,
Starting point is 00:27:35 if you played a lineup consisting of burn book and or potential burn book people this week and half point PPR. So that would be Kyler, Jonathan Taylor, Miles Sanders, T.Y. Hilton, Scotty Miller, AJ Green, and Jack Doyle. you have 137 points with a flex of either Bakersfield Brown or Jarvis Landry and a defense still to go. That's pretty damn good week right there. The people that we have decided to burn are basically the perfect playoff lineup. I don't know what that says about us. That's why we need the fucking Royal Rumble.
Starting point is 00:28:07 This is a perfect example of why the playoffs fucking suck. Out of all of those, who do you think is the most painful? I think it's Scottie Miller. I was going to say, Scotty Miller, who has, I think, had like four points in the last six weeks or something total. No, I think it's T.Y. Hilton. I think it's T.Y. Hilton having two touchdowns. T.Y. Hilton was probably no less than a seventh round pick for whoever took him. And, like, half of the people who took him caught him. Can we have a segment called Vaccine Watch, where it's all the old guys who are, like, playing a little extra good at the end of the season?
Starting point is 00:28:40 I think T. Y. They had gotten a quick, quick pump of the vaccine. T. Y. Hilt got the vaccine. all of a sudden have a really strong connection with Phil Rivers, like after having just something terrible all year long. I don't know. Maybe he started taking Will Fuller's, maybe he started going on Will Fuller's a regiment. Maybe Rivers adopted him, rounded out, make a clean 10.
Starting point is 00:28:59 I think he already has 10. Oh, does he have 10? I don't know. I was reading Peter King's column this week, and it's really good, but there was a point where he was like, like, you can't take pills to get better. There's no strength pills.
Starting point is 00:29:11 In my head, I was like, well, they literally are. Some people are on strength pills. The worst one I think is. Sanders. Because we literally just put him in there last week. And then he has this huge game. And he's like, what was he? Why are the running back two? To be clear, it was the Miles Sanders game was a little deceptive because it was largely powered by one massive run that was very impressive. But to be clear, he had 14 carries, 115 yards, two touchdowns. But one of those was an 82 yard
Starting point is 00:29:41 score. So it took his day from like, all right, that was a really good day to, oh my God, he's the second highest scoring running back of the week. True, true. Yeah, he would have been like 13 for 40. So next week, next week we'll see, let's do this after next week. Let's plug this exact same lineup in again next week and see how it does. Should it be our, should be our lineup? Dude, we should absolutely do that.
Starting point is 00:30:03 If we put the burn book into fando, we'd be millionaires. Let's see how badly we get burned by this again. That was the week, though. That was the week for the burn book. How have we not been doing this the whole time? We should do next year. We should do a four-team fantasy league, and the fourth team is just our Burnbook lineup every week.
Starting point is 00:30:20 That's actually really good. Oh, my God. I'm so mad. Are we putting anyone else in the Burnbook in DFS? That's anyway. We got to talk about Tyler Lockett, right? I mean, hell. It didn't really work out again.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Since his explosion, he's had 5, 6, 9, 17, 3, 97. I mean, he's killing people. Everyone else scored on the Seahawks. All these Randos Seahawks scored except Tyler Lockett. It was unbelievable. Yeah. Freddie Swain, a rookie six-rounder, scored a touchdown. David Moore, I believe, scored a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:30:50 And then all the starters went out like early in the third quarter. Just infuriated. Thanks for that, guys. I mean, it was nice for me as the Seahawks fan to finally get a game where I don't have to, like, stress out at the very end and get an adrenaline headache. But, yeah, it was tougher for the fantasy world for Lockett. Because, man, so is he going in there now?
Starting point is 00:31:09 Are you putting him in? Well, before we get to that, I just want to say the theme of this podcast so far clearly like D.K., like, it was good for me personally, but for everyone else, it must have been terrible. That seems to be the theme. But Tyler Lockett, I mean, it's really tough to play them because their schedule's brutal right now. Washington next week, that's tough.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Washington, as a Giants fan, who will now have to go against Washington as a division for the foreseeable future, I'm terrified of this team. This defense is unbelievable. It is easily one of the best three defenses in the NFL. That feels like hedging, because realistically, I want to call them the best defense.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Chase Young, is exactly as good as everyone said he would be already. I really want to put money on him to win defensive player of the year next year already. Montes-Swed might be the best co-pilot defensive end in the NFL already. There are two defensive tackles are first-round Alabama guys. They're afterthoughts on this team. This is an unbelievable defense. I'd be terrified of playing Lockett against this team.
Starting point is 00:32:06 And then it's the Rams next week. So I don't know about Lockett, dude. We said last week if he couldn't run up the score on the Jets, it's concerning and he couldn't. So, I don't know. So naturally, we'll tell people to bench him and he'll go off. I mean, I'm facing this, I'm facing this in a real, in a real life situation.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Like, I'm probably going to bench lock it this week. That's where we are. I think you have to. He didn't break, he hasn't brung you for the past month or so. Okay, let's go to waiver wires of the week. Obviously really important for fantasy if you're still in there. Or maybe just as importantly, if you're trying to avoid coming in last place, whatever you're doing.
Starting point is 00:32:40 That's always good. Waivers really big. So, injuries, there were, Alex Smith had a, he kind of had like a right leg issue. They were wrapping it, you know, obviously that's worth watching. Matthew Stafford, I think. He left this game with the ribs issue. Brandon Allen for the Bengals had a leg issue. Devante Parker, the dolphins were just battered.
Starting point is 00:32:58 I mean, they came into this game with Miles Gaskett got landed on the COVID list on Saturday. And then Devonte Parker left for the leg injury. Jakeemann, Mike Kassicki had like a shoulderneck thing. Debo Samuel got her for the Niners. Mike Williams got her for the Chargers. And then Noah Fant left with an illness? Is that what happened? Like right before the game, he left.
Starting point is 00:33:16 He got, it was last minute thing. Bizarre. So anyway. That was like, almost like a C.E.H situation. Absolutely nuts. Okay. So with that said, let's get to waivers for the week. D.K., streams and stash.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Let's start the quarterbacks because we talked about Jalen Hertz already. He's like a must add, right? Even if you're in a one quarterback league? Yes. I think, you know, I would play him in a one quarterback league. And obviously depends on who you got. And maybe later this week,
Starting point is 00:33:41 we can discuss the name game or whatever with him, but his rushing floor is outstanding. And he ran even more than I thought he would. I thought he was going to scramble a lot this last week, but 18 carries for 100 and whatever it was, six yards, that makes him a starter in my mind. And if he could add anything in the air, that's just a bonus. Going up against Arizona this week.
Starting point is 00:34:01 So yeah, I think he's definitely worth streaming, you know, if you're looking for a streamer. The other guy that's kind of on my radar right now, and they just named him the starter for this week is Gardner Minchew, the Jaguars. he's an interesting one because the Jags are obviously not a good team and they've got a lot of problems
Starting point is 00:34:18 but he was a QB1, QB12 overall from weeks 1 to 7 when he was a starter. So if you have issues at quarterback or if you're not feeling real confident in your quarterback, I think you could do worse. He's probably going to get a lot of garbage time. And I believe they're, are they playing the Ravens this week?
Starting point is 00:34:33 Yeah, they're playing the Ravens. We're recording this on Monday, so we don't know how the Ravens have fared them on Monday-N-Foeball. I don't know about Gardner-Menschu if I stream them in my playoffs. It's tough. I mean, it's a... Jalen Hertz, sure. He's worth streaming.
Starting point is 00:34:45 If you're in a two-quarterback league, he's worth picking up and grabbing if you have... I mean, I think I would start minshu over guys like... Like Matt Ryan, if Julio can't go, or, like, you know... Obviously, if Stafford gets hurt and you have Stafford... Or if Stafford can't play this week and you had Stafford, here's an option for you.
Starting point is 00:35:04 I would play him over probably Matt Ryan. I would think about playing him over Cam. I would think about playing him over... trying to think of who I was going to say. They're a car? No, because car's been going off lately. But anyways, the point is, like, I don't think he's out of the picture at this point.
Starting point is 00:35:22 He did pretty well when he was a starter earlier in the season. And, I mean, he came in in the third quarter, like the mid-third quarter, and he scored 13 fantasy points, which was better than a handful of guys who played the entire freaking games. Yeah, but the Titans were just up so much in that game
Starting point is 00:35:37 that I feel like it was a little... I mean, I think it's going to be a different game script against the Ravens? I think that's how it will be. That's kind of a good point. Anyway, so yeah. I've never seen a more blatant tank than what the Jaguars are doing.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Gardner Minshu was healthy? Yeah. Why did they start Mike Glennon if Gardner Minchie was healthy? Well, I think it's obviously they want to get the second pick. I know, but like... No, no, no, I want to dispel this right. I don't think, I don't think coaches... You're saying that you think that Doug Marone is in on this tank?
Starting point is 00:36:08 Like, do you actually believe that? Or the GM? there was some higher power that was saying start Mike Glennon. Why wouldn't Gardner-Minchie start this game? I don't know. Give me one reason. I mean, it wasn't the thumb on his throwing hand an issue? And here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:36:23 They were saying that he wasn't back yet. Yeah, yeah. He's saying I'm healthy. I'm fine. I can throw the ball. And Morone was like, let's see. Gardner vinch is the same dude who, to get an injury waiver at Washington, or Washington State one of his years,
Starting point is 00:36:36 he took a hammer to his hand and tried to break the bones in his non-throwing hand. so that he could get a medical raver. So I'm not necessarily going to just trust him when he's like, yeah, my thumb is fine. I can play. He will do anything to play football, including lie about his thumb.
Starting point is 00:36:50 Literally, he said I'll do that before. This sounds like when the Warriors were trying to get an early pick back when they just had Clay and they were like, oh, I mean, when they wanted Clay and they just had Steph and they were like, oh, Steph's ankles, we're going to sit him for a month. His ankles aren't great, even though they were like kind of fine. And a lot of guys had hamstring issues, cramps. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:37:06 This is a really important point, though, to note is basketball's not football in that. in basketball, coaches can be part of the tank. In football, they cannot. There has to be a firewall in that front offices tank sometimes. Coaches can't tank, at least in my... Like, it's not like in a... It's just not doable because you're asking people to put themselves at physical risk and what it requires to play football is if you remove the meeting from a football game,
Starting point is 00:37:30 everyone's short circuits. Like, you can't do it. There's no physical risk in starting Mike Clinton over Gardner, Minchu. What are you talking about? I really... Maybe I'm naive. I really don't believe coaches. are a part of this. Anyway, let's get to running backs for the week. Running back stashes, streamers,
Starting point is 00:37:43 etc. What are you laughing at DK? I don't even know. I was just laughing at you guys just arguing like bickering. Like an old married couple? A young married couple. Highways need to wake up. Open those, open that third eye. The Jags are tanking. Dude, I did a Westworld podcast. Don't tell me about my third eye. Oh my God. Okay. Running backs for the week to stream. Actually important conversation. Let's get into this. So this is actually a running back slash wide receiver, but if you listen to my take last week to grab Lynn Bowden off waivers and stash him, congratulations. He's now the number one receiver in Miami, I guess,
Starting point is 00:38:20 with Devante Parker, Gassicki, Tchaim Grant, obviously Preston Williams is already on the IR. All those guys are up in the air this next week, which could mean Lynn Bowden is literally the number one pass-catching target in this offense going forward. he had nine targets seven catches 82 yards he also had a rush and then i believe he also had a pass attempt so they're using him in a multitude of ways kind of like their x-factor weapon type guy um right now he still has receiver and running back designations i believe on both yahoo and espn and he played by far the most snaps of any miami receivers this last week 59 so he's kind of come on strong
Starting point is 00:38:59 and filled in for these injuries and i mean obviously he's more of a flex option because i think I think the floor is still really low with him. We don't know exactly how they're going to use him. But in terms of if you want to go for the gusto, I like this guy a lot. I think he had one pass attempt. Plus they tried to have him throw again, but he pulled it back and ran with it instead. So they're trying to get him involved in other ways. I mean, what is waiver-wire pickups even about if it's not going for gusto?
Starting point is 00:39:27 Yeah. So if you need like a guy who could potentially score a bunch this week to like break the, you know, if you're going up against a much better team, might be worth a shot. What do you do about DeAndre Washington? So obviously Miles Gaskin ended up on the COVID list. Matt Breda was already there. And then Salvat Ahmed was, he's out with a shoulder injury. We don't know if any of, well, Gaskin will not be available next week.
Starting point is 00:39:48 And then we don't know the status of Ammaida Breda for next week's game. But DeAndre Washington, who was actually traded from the Chiefs midseason, or to the chiefs to the Dolphins midseason, he played. He, him and Patrick Laird kind of split reps. Are you interested in either DeAndre Washington or Patrick Laird or this kind of of like extremely meh. I mean, if you're desperate for running back, it's worth trying.
Starting point is 00:40:10 He did get 13 carries and get four targets. So like on its head, that's a pretty good volume. But at the same time, I think the draw and the value in the Dolphins running backs group earlier in the season, whether it was Gaskin or Ahmed
Starting point is 00:40:23 for a while when Gaskin got hurt, was that they were given these guys like pretty big workloads, you know? And they kind of split it up. Yeah, they split it up a little bit. So that kind of dilutes the value in my mind. So I'd say he's worth
Starting point is 00:40:38 An ad but I wouldn't feel confident starting him going forward That's just I don't know It just feels to me like a little too diluted at this point It's like the fifth string guy for this team at this point Yeah the dolphins play the Patriots this week So it's not a great matchup But if you need double digit carries And you're you know you could do worse
Starting point is 00:40:55 Okay Next up Jeff Wilson Jr. the 49ers Who's basically splitting reps pretty evenly With Raheem Moster right now Their run game hasn't been great he had 11 carries 31 yards in a touchdown he added one catch on three targets he played 48% of snap so basically again it's like almost 50 50 with him and mostert and he looks pretty good I think mostert's still coming back from his injury he hasn't looked really 100% in my mind
Starting point is 00:41:22 I think that's why they're not riding him like you know with a full workload and so Wilson is good and especially this week going up against Dallas whose defense has not been good you know, he could get some red zone looks, he could get some goal line looks. I think he's definitely a very interesting way of wire ad this week. I love Jeff Wilson. I love him as a flyer.
Starting point is 00:41:41 I think he's a good example, someone where if you're in a sharp league where like a lot of the, a lot of these guys we talk about every week are not necessarily available if you're to 12 or 14 team league. I think Jeff Wilson is an awesome like plug-in play option because, again,
Starting point is 00:41:54 he's played almost half of the snaps for the Niners this week. And the Niners just have the kind of offense where you can always break one. He had, I mean, he had this game despite having a fumble. Unfortunately, Chase Young stripped him. And then he also dropped the catch at the end. So the caveat is, like, hopefully that, you know, Shanahan doesn't pull what Craig was talking
Starting point is 00:42:11 about earlier with the annoying benchings. But Wilson seems to have Shanahan's trust. He was playing at the end of the game when they really needed him. And he's going on and off with most, or I can never get it right. Most are. Most. Most. The mostest.
Starting point is 00:42:22 I think Jeff Wilson is the most random guy who really has a chance to break a 40-yard touchdown every week. And you don't sacrifice the pass catching or the volume to get it. It's just a great mix. And the Niners scheme can always crack one open. I think that they could, I mean, the Niners are the kind of team who could just crack the Cowboys for 200 yards rushing. So I love betting on that kind of talent off waivers. Okay, so among those running backs, who would you rather have Lynn Bowden or Jeff Wilson?
Starting point is 00:42:47 I think I would probably rank it Wilson and then Bowden and then Washington third. I just think we don't know yet. We don't have enough information about Bowden. I think Wilson's just done it more. It is kind of like the tiebreaker for me. What do you guys think? If the dolphins really are just down, like, their top five skill guys, I see Bowden over. I mean, we'll see what happens to Gisicki.
Starting point is 00:43:07 We'll see what happens. There's a certain point where he's the only guy, and that volume is interesting. But I'm trying not to be, let my pre-draft bias sink in here because Boden was legitimately, like, my favorite player from the draft. Oh, you're holding out on us. He wasn't who I thought was the best player. He was just my favorite player to watch because he was so much fun, explosive. They used him as a wildcat quarterback slot receiver. everything. I just think he's really good. And then I was very disappointed when the Raiders released him
Starting point is 00:43:36 because I thought that was indicated, like that indicated that he just like wasn't going to make in the NFL. So I'm very excited that he's playing now with the Dolphins and seems to have a pretty big role even if it is because of injury. So I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm slightly, but I am very excited about him going forward. Okay, let's get to receivers for this week. I just want to shout out Kiki Quti, who is somehow rostered on less than half of ESPN and Yahoo leagues. I mean, I think that he just needs to be added at this point. What's funny is, like, I played him last week. I mean, he was fine. He had like a touchdown, but he had a fumble. He had 20 yards total.
Starting point is 00:44:14 And the little Yahoo blur by Red was like, the Texas had such a bad day. It might actually help Kuti to have more Texan skill players on the team just because then they'll move the ball down the field. Like, maybe it'll be nice if Cook's his back just to like they're a functioning offense. They're not just focusing in on him. Obviously, this was an implosion. They lost, what, 36 to 7 of the Bears, some awful collapse.
Starting point is 00:44:36 I guess the QTee thing reminds me a little bit about the Bowden thing, just because we were all excited about QT because basically there was no one else in this offense, Texans, and he was going to go off, and then he didn't really go off. And maybe that was because just like their overall offense just wasn't as good or wasn't as effective. There's no one else in the offense. Yeah, I mean, you could say the same thing about Chad Hansen actually outproduced QT in terms of yards. He had seven catches, 56 yards.
Starting point is 00:45:00 he's been a little bit more I guess dependable reliable to get targets and to make place down the field I don't know I think both of these guys
Starting point is 00:45:10 are solid like wide receiver three flex options that you could plug in there and hope for a big day because they're the number one guys in this offense
Starting point is 00:45:18 but also don't get your expectations too high because there's definitely a floor with these guys too that's pretty scary so I would say that I started him in a league
Starting point is 00:45:27 last week and he didn't kill me but of course he didn't the Kuti I'm talking about. He didn't kill me, but he also didn't really help. You know, so it's one of those things where you have to temper your expectations a little. I would say the exact same thing about Kiel and Cole, actually, while we're on the subject. Playing, I think you're playing Indianapolis next week.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Houston? Yeah, because the Wettleton kills the Texans. Yeah, they're playing indie again, and Kutti just had a huge game against them two weeks ago. Yeah, but the COVID didn't, didn't they not have to force Bukter in that game, who's like their best defensive player? Yeah, he was on the COVID list. I think that that good game could go. Also, if you just want gambling advice, I think that the fact that the Texans were close to that game,
Starting point is 00:46:06 I think that that game will not be close this time. Anyways. This entire waiver wire list with waivers is all guys that I'm not feeling very confident about. So we got Keel and Cole for the Jags, who out of nowhere had 12 catches 7, or sorry, 12 target, 7 catches, 67 yards, and a touchdown. He definitely has rapport with Minchu, which I think is a factor that you have to kind of keep in mind here.
Starting point is 00:46:27 He had 27 yards on four catches when Glenn. and went out in the mid third quarter. So obviously got a lot of his production with Minchu in there. Way better report with Minchu. So that's the only, that's, I guess, like the main argument for Cole. Another guy who I don't have a ton of confidence in, but has been getting the volume is Nelson Aguilar with the Raiders. He's inconsistent, but another nine targets, five catches,
Starting point is 00:46:50 100 yards on a touchdown on Sunday, the week before, 11 targets, week before that, six targets, week before that, nine targets. So he's averaging almost nine targets a game in the last month. It's hard to ignore that, but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if he just had a zero. You know what I mean? It's just that's the type of, that's the type of player we're talking about right now.
Starting point is 00:47:10 I like Lynn Bowden better than a lot of these options to pass. Yeah, that's, I think I actually agree. Running Back and Receiver eligibility. I think I'd rather have him than Keel and Cole, Agilor. You know, obviously we'll see how many of these dolphins play, but I don't know. I kind of like Bowden. Yeah, I think I'm like.
Starting point is 00:47:23 Yeah, he's probably just the overall top out of the week other than Jalen Hertz. I think to revisit that earlier conversation, I think that Bowden probably rises over Wilson for the positional flexibility. I think that, I mean, obviously it depends on your roster, but the fact that you have both options is pretty sweet, especially in like this COVID year, you know, the fact,
Starting point is 00:47:41 there's only two weeks left, but it's just, that's a really nice little bonus. Okay, tight ends, you know, obviously, you know, usually a waste lane, we're not going to give it a wasteland this year. Good, kind of a decent week. Like, Earth Smith was, he wasn't, was he the third high-scoring titan in the week? He had a great game,
Starting point is 00:47:57 and he had the fun touchdown celebration. And then you were right about Cole Kmet, D.K. Yeah, he's actually had, I think I thought it was Mike Clay. Mike Clay said this on Twitter. He's had a 20% target rate in both of the last two games for the Bears. That's astonishing. He had seven targets, four catches, 41 yards last week. You know, we're talking about six points for tight end, which isn't not going to,
Starting point is 00:48:20 it's not something to write home about at the same time, it's better than a goose egg. Well, no one writes home anyway. When you retire that phrase, it's fine. People text. But, I mean, if you add in a touchdown, which you, He almost had. I think he had like a tar. I'm going off memory here
Starting point is 00:48:33 after watching 10 straight hours of, you know, red zone or whatever, but I believe he had an opportunity in the red zone and just didn't, it came up a little bit short. And then if you look at the week before, he had five catches, 37 yards in his touchdown. So that's kind of what you're hoping for for Komet. Anybody else?
Starting point is 00:48:49 I just, I want to sprinkle in. He's most likely on somebody's team, 75%. George Kittle, just check. One in four leagues is out there. There's just the smallest chance that he plays like week 16. and is great. I added him in a league, just to have him.
Starting point is 00:49:02 In this scenario, I guess if he's going to come out and play and they're going to activate him and all that, like they would probably play him a lot. I don't know what the 49ers were. And knowing him, I mean, he's a psycho.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Like, he would probably have 12 catches. I think really, so Shanahan said he's holding out hope, right? I think that realistically they needed to win that game against Washington because I don't think they're bringing kittle back unless they make the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:49:22 And I think their playoff odds took a huge hit yesterday, so that's probably worse for his odds. But still, if you have an empty IR spot and you're not, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:49:29 It doesn't take up space. Well, to be clear, the reason why not to do it would be if you're one of those people causing a headache for your managers because the IR spots are only for the COVID people and you put a hit kill in there and it causes a whole war in your group chat. But if that's not the case and you got the IR spot, George Kittles, a fun one. Maybe the funnest. Okay, so Adlin Bowden seems to be the main theme of this podcast. This is a Lynn Bowden podcast right here. Ria, what was that one week where the Waverwire was just a desolate waistline?
Starting point is 00:49:56 It seems pretty close to that this week. Yeah, Jalen Hurts. You're saying you should dance with who brung you. That seems to be the theme here. Yeah. Okay. All right. Before we go, I want to, I have one, this is not a fantasy court, but this is just a
Starting point is 00:50:10 specific question to me. And it does touch on a larger theme of fantasy football that we haven't really talked about. Well, to be clear, there's two, there's a fantasy court, which is the proper channel. This is more like a fantasy arbitration. This is kind of like we're private mediating. Yeah. Just to be clear. It's important, judicially, to distinct public and private practice.
Starting point is 00:50:29 Okay. in the playoffs in one league of mine, I am up by 0.64. And the game is essentially over. He has no more players. And I have one more. And I'm already up. Point six four.
Starting point is 00:50:43 I have Mark Andrews tonight. Should I bench him just in case his first catch of the game is a five yard out and he gets drilled, he fumbles it and he gets hurt and he never plays again the rest of the game
Starting point is 00:50:55 and he has like negative 1 points? Or do I bench him and risk a stat correction? of like some receiver has seven extra yards and then I lose because I didn't start Mark Andrews who put up 10. What's more likely to happen? He gets negative points or a stat correction?
Starting point is 00:51:11 Well, I have, well, here's the key question in my mind. Is it full PPR or half PPR? It's half. Okay, interesting, because here's the thing. The most likely stat correction is a screen being turned into a point. Like a catch because, technically a handoff or vice versa.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Oh, a run. And so that would be, that's like the most likely, but that would be a half point flipping either way. So then you're probably safe, but I see where you're coming from. But there's also defense stuff. So like a sack could be turned into stuff. So you could just watch all the plays from all your players yesterday. That's one way to be safe.
Starting point is 00:51:50 You mean all his players and mine? Yeah, you just grind the tape like DK does. Don't live in fear. Oh, DK with the top ropes. Just start him. Yeah, just play him. Run the score up. Yeah, I agree.
Starting point is 00:52:04 You think I should start him? Leave no doubt. Don't you think a stat correction is less likely? I don't know. Than him, he could easily just get fumble the first play and get hurt. I agree with you can't live in fear. Because the flip side is like, as long as he gets one catching that doesn't happen, you're fine. But like, what's the why? Why don't just bench him?
Starting point is 00:52:21 I don't know. Here's the deal. I was just, I looked up stat corrections. I just searched this. I found a field Yates tweet from, uh, 2018 in December 20th, so basically probably like the same week. Okay. And he said potential major fantasy implications on a stat correction, NFL ruled that Ezekiel
Starting point is 00:52:38 Elliott did not lose a fumble in week 15. He got two points back, meaning that probably swung a lot of games. And then someone asked him, blah, blah, blah, like if it was an ESPN thing, he said, stat corrections, this is field. Stat corrections are handled by the NFL and distributed to all platforms on Wednesday into Thursday. So you're not going to know for like till Wednesday night into Thursday morning whether you won
Starting point is 00:53:03 if you did this. If you just play in fear. And also here's why you have to play him. The worst case is exactly what you described happens. He catches a pass, gets drilled, fumbles you lose. And in that case, that's great content for the podcast. Like that is just absolutely excellent stuff.
Starting point is 00:53:20 And everyone would want to hear about it. Yeah. This is what's wrong with 2020. Every personal experience is content. In the words of the immortal. wise Yoda, Darren Ravel. Oh, God. This is terrible for the country.
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