The Ringer NFL Show - WR Sleepers, Tiers, and Fears 2025

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

The guys discuss the wide receiver position heading into this year’s fantasy season, what their general strategy is for drafting receivers, and which tiers the receivers of the league fall into for fantasy drafts. (1:41) Jordan Addison’s suspension (2:23) Keenan Allen reunites with the Chargers (11:20) How to approach drafting WRs this year (16:19) Tier 1: Ja’Marr Chase and CeeDee Lamb (21:09) Tier 2: Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins, Puka Nacua, Amon-Ra St. Brown, and Malik Nabers (37:55) Tier 3: Brian Thomas Jr., Drake London, A.J. Brown, Ladd McConkey, and Tyreek Hill (48:52) Tier 4: Mike Evans, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Tee Higgins, Davante Adams, Garrett Wilson, Terry McLaurin, and Marvin Harrison Jr. (01:01:12) Tier 5: DJ Moore, DK Metcalf, Tetairoa McMillan, Jameson Williams, George Pickens, Jaylen Waddle, and Travis Hunter (01:12:12) Tier 6: Zay Flowers, Rome Odunze, Jakobi Meyers, Deebo Samuel, Jerry Jeudy, Jayden Reed, Jordan Addison, and Stefon Diggs (01:19:20) Tier 7: Chris Godwin, Marquise Brown, Cooper Kupp, Josh Downs, Rashid Shaheed, Brandon Aiyuk, Keon Coleman, Rashod Bateman (01:25:48) Emails Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Hylian. I'm joined by Danny Killing, Craig Krobeck, and today. We are going over our wide receiver, tears, fears, sleepers. A lot of players we hate as well, a lot of teams that I hate. But yeah, receiver, it is really deep this year. But then it gets super not deep really quickly.

So we're going to go through all those favorite players. We also are going to hit some news. And more importantly, we have an email at the end of low-stakes conspiracy theory about a zoo, which is definitely right. Please wait around for the end of this episode. Even skip ahead.

Like, it's fine. I just want you to hear Andrew's email about his low-stakes conspiracy about this zoo in New Jersey. It's all time. We're on board with it. Check that out. We might even go to New Jersey when we're in New York, which we will be in two weeks for a live show on August 19th. We're dead. It's such a good email. We're actually going to make this drive to this soon.

We're really thinking about it. Okay. So let's get to receivers. But first, let's take a quick break. This episode of the Ringer Fantasy Football Show is presented by Hyundai. Get into the Hyundai Getaway Sales event and get away with a deal so right. It almost feels wrong. you can get huge savings on their adventure-ready SUVs,

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Jordan Addison of the Minnesota Vikings officially suspended by the NFL for the first three games in the season. We kind of knew this would happen because Jordan Addison once again pled no contest to wet reckless. That sounds like a 90s comedy. It does.

That's the next rewatchables is wet reckless. Craig, that's what they called you in high school, I thought. That's right. They did. Wet reckless. He fell asleep on the freeway in a lane. Not great. Not a great look.

Not ideal. I still can't believe Jordan Addison and it makes millions of dollars a year was fine to $390.90. Right. I think the 390 is such a funny term. Anyway, yeah, so Jordan Addison is going to miss the first three games of the year. I feel like we kind of already moved them down. We'll talk about them later in this, but we kind of, this was coming.

The other news, Chargers signed Keenan Allen, which when I first saw this rumor, I was like, well, that's not going to happen. But they did it. So getting the game back together, Keenan Allen signed a one-year deal. I think the money that's been reported is like fake, so I'm not going to read it. But this comes after the charges also tried to bring back Mike Williams, who obviously also played for the charges for a long time. And then Mike Williams retired.

He just kind of showed up to camp and was like the game in enemy, no more. So Mike Williams retired, Keenan Allen's there. I kind of thought at first that this was actually just concerning. It's like Ladd-McConkie hasn't practiced in a week and he's off to the side. They haven't disclosed what it is. I checked him with some people there. They were like, no, it's fine. He's like moving around.

I'm like, okay. So I guess Keenan Allen is he going to play? I don't know, D.K., like, do you think Keenan Allen's going to play for the charges when they already have Quentin Johnson? they have a lot of young receivers there. Jalen Rager, who yikes, but... I do think he's going to play. I don't think Keenan Allen is like that far gone in terms of being washed or whatever.

He still can, you know, make plays in the short and intermediate area. He's always been really good at getting open. Great hands, all that. My concern... So if you look at the rest of the depth chart, Trey Harris, the rookie hasn't done a whole lot. I don't think from what I've seen at camp. I mean, it's not like he's been bad,

but he hasn't necessarily shine. The other guy... He's a high-hine-up. Yeah, second-round pick. And their fifth round pick, Kandre Lambert Smith is the guy that's been kind of making waves. He had a couple of big plays in their Hall of Fame game, including a touchdown, I believe. And I don't know, he's just looked pretty good.

So I think right now the depth chart is definitely in flux, but if you look at it overall, Trey Harris, Kandre Lambert Smith, Quentin Johnson, Darius Davis, Jalen Rigg, or Brennan Rice, it's a bunch of guys that have absolutely, we cannot trust whatsoever. Just Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice. Brendan Rice, yes. Just really want to clarify that. So yes, I do think Keenan Allen's going to play.

I think he's going to be the number two. The big concern for me right now with Ladd McCong. I don't think Ladd-McConkey is affected dramatically, but if you look at his numbers last year, Ladd played in the slot 66% of the time. And that's kind of where Keenan Allen likes to live. I know that they both can kind of play all over the formation, but I guess the slight worry is maybe Keenan's going to hoover up

some of those easier plays in underneath or whatever, and that might hurt Ladd-McConkey's upside. But what are you guys think about that? out that three of the church's receivers on the roster went to TCU. That's kind of weird. Go frogs. Quentin Johnson, Jalen Rigger, or Darius Davis all went to TCU. It's kind of strange.

They've all had such amazing careers, too. Sorry. I like when the vet comes back to the old team. I like the homecoming. Tutoring the younger guys. Like, I even like Cooper Cup with Jackson Smith and Jigba. I like that. I like Keenan Allen with Ladd-McConkie kind of ushering in.

It's like, you know, remember when like the third drafts, The third Jurassic Park on the new reboot when like Jeff Goldblum and Laura Dern they all came back. I actually didn't see that movie, but I did just watch the end of that movie on YouTube because I just kind of wanted to watch what the final dinosaur fight was and it was actually

it was nice to see them all together. The end of the Chris Pratt trilogy, that one? The one were, yeah, they were all kind of running together. The Richard cast and recast. It was like, oh, like the big dinosaur. I just wanted to watch it again. I'm not that word for Lad. Ladd's really, really good.

They're not going to, I feel like they are not going to sacrifice whatever they want to do with Ladd just because Keenan's there. we'll get to where we slot Keenan in with our receiver's choose. I had a friend who texted me, by the way, that just said half of our shows is just us going, I don't know, just do what you like. Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Do what you feel. Go with your gut.

Yeah. And I'm like in my humble expert opinion. Right. I'm like, Ladd-McConkie is one of like the brightest stars of the young receiver crew in the NFL. Right. 33-year-old Keenan Allen. Like, if they just, like, remove Lab McConkey from the slot because Keenan Allen's there, I'd be surprised. Yeah, there you go.

All right. Well, actually, the last thing, I just wanted to mention this before we get to all the tears. The NFL banned smelling small, selling, smelling salts. Smelling schmeltz? Smelling schmaltz, which led to an absolute panic. Smelling schmell. Dude, I did not realize how many players depend on and absolutely love smelling salts. All of them.

George Kittles is obsessed with them. Baker Mayfield was recently talking with Kay Adams, and she told him that. their ban smelling salts and he was like wait are you serious she's like yeah he was like this is a massive problem like i i need something else now he's like this will dramatically affect my game all of them do smelling salts before all of them going on the field literally whenever all of them yeah have you guys ever have you guys ever i don't know what do you what's the verb smelled them yeah smelled salt have you ever done smelling salts no yeah i think we should we should no i haven't i think sunday night our sunday night recaps we should begin

every show by snorting, smelling smelling. We honestly should. All of us do, anytime anyone introses, it's just with this. I kind of like that. Like all of the late night. All of our late night recordings, we should start by doing smelling salts. Or there's a category called like the, like, out of my mind award or something. And we just rip a smelling salt and then have to do a category.

Email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at gmail.com. If you have an idea for us on the Sunday night recaps to do the smelling salt. And so the NFL ban them. But what they really mean is that the NFL, cannot provide them anymore. Players can still provide their own. So it's BYO smelling salts now, which to me is worse. It's so funny.

Literally, it sounds like the NFL, they're lying, I'm not lying, but they're kind of like, yeah, medically, it's like blah, blah, blah. Some lawyers said the NFL probably should stop providing smelling salts to players. So they will no longer provide smelling salts before, after or during the game, can't have it at sideline, can't have it locker room. And then the NFLPA, the dying husk of the NFLPA, whose players are like an open revolt, the leadership's in chaos and turmoil is now going to save the NFLPA

because the NFLPA because the NFLPA clarified with all the players total red meat issue with your base and they were like, don't worry, you can bring your own smelling salts to the game, literally.

So now I'm sure George Kittal is going to buy like pallets of smelling salts and just store them in his locker, basically. There's going to, like, what if George Kittle becomes

like the smelling salts like seller in the NFL? Like it'd be interesting if there becomes like an entire underground market of smelling salts? If these end a roster guys,

they're smart. They want to do some extra cash, just become a salt tycoon, you know? I think it's interesting because the NFL reading some of the reports, it was like the effects of smelling salts can perhaps kind of hide some of the symptoms of a concussion. They give you a fucking smelling salt. They're like, go back in the game. It was like that for like 50 years. Totally. And so they're like, so we're banning smelling salts because, you know, it could potentially mask concussion symptoms.

But then they're like, you can just bring your own now. Yeah. I just think there's legal. I'm reading an article right now about this. In 2005, Michael Strayhan estimated 70 to 80% of NFL players were using smelling salts. It's basically pre-workout. How have I gone this long without trying a smelling salt? Have you guys ever seen an NFL sideline after the game when the players are gone?

Google it. There are photos. Like, the sideline when all the equipment's gone is just husks, smelling salts. Like hundreds. Ian Baker Mayfield was when he was talking to Katams basically said that he's just going to start taking even more pre-work out now and like drink more coffee. But I don't know.

So it's just supposed to make you more alert, essentially. Yeah. It's sharpens your senses and, you know, it stinks the nostrils. It removes your, it kind of really dulls your conscious brain as you're about to enter a really animalistic, violent.

Wicelysona to the prime tackle. Yeah. I just don't know why they, why can't they just ban it? Why are they allowing players to bring their own? Because the players will revolt. No, that's the thing.

If they, NFL actually gave a fuck. they'd be like no one can use these. The NFL, I'm sure, they're like saying, well, there's a medical report, so we're not going to do it. The middle step they're hiding, like the little hide column in an Excel file,

is the hide column as lawyers were like, the fact that the FDA has issued this medical advice is a legal liability for us providing. We could get sued if it's implied that our smelling salts are preventing concussion. I'm sure that lawyers were the middleman in like the NFL's like, we don't care if you do it. We just can't give it to you for free

all the time. Speaking of Jurassic Park, lawyers, huh? The only guy that agrees with me, the blood-sucking lawyer. Literally perfect. Yeah, so smelling salts,

yeah, we should, I'll order some on Amazon for us, but we should have them at the draft and yeah, we'll do them on Sundays. It's a good idea. Okay, let's get to wide receiver tears. I want to start,

and again, the point of tiers to go through this is just a great mechanism when you're drafting, you really, it's better than rankings to have an idea

of which players are in the same bucket. So we're not necessarily going to nail, our rankings, our larger goals. We really want to get the buckets of receivers next to each other, correct. We want you as you're going to be in the same range.

And you want to feel free to rank the guys within the tiers however you want. But we really want to get the buckets of players and their potential ranges of outcomes correct. So we're going to go through all them. Before we do that, I just want to say, do you guys have a general strategy at receiver this year? I have two strong thoughts, but D.K., do you have any big picture thoughts

going in? I want to just beginning it and then at the end of this episode if you change your mind. But do you have any big picture thoughts on the receiver position going into the year? I don't think specifically no. I mean, obviously, we talked about this with running backs. It's like you want to have a clear cut wide receiver one. You don't want to go in and have a bunch of wide receiver twos on your team.

I feel like that kind of really limits your upside weekend and week out. So I'd say that. But in terms of like specific players or I don't have a specific strategy. I don't think this year. There's just a bunch of guys that I really got. I got a strat. What do you got? Hit me.

Stars and Scrubs with receivers. I want the first 10 to. 12 guys, I like all of them. Like, I actually think I can get to 15. Double up on them. The top 15. Then I kind of want to skip, I think, the next middle rounds. And then I want to basically just gobble up rookies.

I like that, actually. I mostly agree with that. I agree with Craig. I think the eliteness, how far I would consider receivers elite, I feel so much more confident in the top, like, dozen receivers. I can't believe how confident I feel in the top 15 guys. I'm like, oh, my God. I like all of them.

You could give me any one of them and I don't really care. I'm like, AJ Brown, Pooka Nakua, Brian Tom. All of them are good to me. I feel so fine starting receiver receiver. And I usually feel a little nervous about that without a top running back. I feel fine about it this year because there's so many legendary guys. I will say this.

I want to commit Sapuku if any, if I don't get like five receivers in the top 50 or 50 receivers, like 60. Like, Sapuku is if I like, Sepuku. Sepuku. Sepuku Nakua. Did you watch Shogun? Yeah, I watched Shogun. Sepuku. I think.

Sepuku. Sepuku. I'm sure we're all fucking it up. Let's be honest. Sepuku. Yeah. Our American actions always put the accent on the middle. I will stick a katana in my fucking intestines and rip them out if I have to play Keon Coleman for the bills.

There we go. Like I think that there's a line and it's somewhere around the 55th receiver where like it is like a cliff. And it's not really, but it's weird because I think 20 to like 35 is like they're all kind of the same. But then oh my God, there's a point. where you have to spend real capital in your draft, and it's like vaguely 120th overall. And at that point, I want quarterbacks and running back up, running backs of the upside tight ends.

And I'm like, if I am having to draft more than a receiver or two that I particularly like at that point, if I have to play these guys, like, I do not want to get my fourth receiver 120th overall. Like your first 10 picks, I guess more or less, I kind of need five of them to be receivers. And then the other five have to be quarterback, tight end, three running backs,

or more running backs you want. But like, I need five receivers in the first 10 picks. Yeah, I kind of think with wide receivers. And it's, I never really do this in drafts. And I think it's because you're just spending so much money in them. But with receivers, you kind of can't go broke making a profit. Every year, there's always the guy in your league who just says, like, screw it. And he'll draft like Amonra St. Brown and Justin Jefferson and Mike Evans.

And he spent like 70% of his budget on that. And you're like, that looks incredible. You have three Ferraris in the garage. And every week, that guy's terrifying to play. Wide receivers traditionally healthier than every other position. Last year, it wasn't that way, which is why there might be a bit of a pendulum swing with people being excited about running backs. As running backs were kind of uncharacteristically healthy last year, wide receivers were not.

But in general, when you just go get like two stud wide receivers and you get a stud quarterback, the floor of your team on a weekly basis is just so high. I mean, it is rare that guys like Nico Collins and Justin Jefferson tank have bad weeks. And so I think this year, I'm just going to try to get a couple elite wide receivers. The last caveat I'll say for this conversation, the context is I can't stress enough how much the difference is between if you're starting base roster requires two starting receivers or three receivers each week. It is such a larger difference in rankings than half PPR versus full PPR versus even zero PPR. Like literally it's adding 50% if all prices are supply and demand, it is literally adding 50% more. demand to how much you have to start.

So again, a 12-teen league is probably, including flex, is probably going to, if with three receivers, it's going to start like 40 plus receivers every week. And a 10-teen league with the two-receivers spots is starting almost half. You know, like, it's a huge difference. And so the point being in a 10-teen league where you start two receivers, you can do it. You could start Darnell Mooney and Joanne Jennings every week. And you're probably fine. But like in a three-teen league, like Pooka-Ku is so much more valuable in that

12 team lead that is three receivers. So just keep that in mind. Like there are so many receivers you can wait on the position if you have a two team league. But you really don't want to wait in the position to start three. So that's the, keep that in mind with your leagues as we go through this conversation. But let's just get to it.

I'm going to go through my tiers here. You guys can tweak them. Like basically we're going to try to agree on tiers here. Starting with, I put tier one, which it was hard to do with the top. And I kind of settled on just two guys. Jamar Chase for the Bengals and Cid Lane with the Cowboys.

Maybe this little controversial. But I was like, you know what? These are the elite, undisputed real life receivers who honestly, honestly, I have no questions. I have no questions about these guys. It's the combination of their elite players,

plus they're with very good, prolific passing quarterbacks, right? They've been with their quarterbacks for years. They have zero. I have zero questions about them. Right. I think obviously the only question here is, do you include Justin Jefferson?

But I think, like, with Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow, elite connection, they go back to college, you know, like they've been playing with each other for years. No questions there in terms of the volume of the offense. I think the same could be said with

Dallas. It feels like this is going to be a high volume passing game with Dallas. Dak obviously has great chemistry with CD. I think the only question and it's a very small one is what does Pickens arrival kind of do for CD Lambs overall upside, but I still think, you know, looking at the history of what CD Lamb is done, I actually looked up the last three seasons. Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, CD Lamb are the clear cut like wide receiver royalty in terms of the last three seasons, all right around 16 points per game and half PBR, lamb and Cheetah. Ace, obviously this year, I think, have a little bit higher upside. But if you go back

that three years, there's only five players that have averaged 10 plus targets a game. One of those is neighbors, and he doesn't really count because he only had one season. It's DeVante Adams, Chase, Lamb, and Jefferson. Those guys have all averaged 10 targets a game, 10 plus targets a game in the last three years. So it's like

Jefferson, the only thing is just like, what is McCarthy going to be? His quarterback's never played in the NFL, and I think that's the thing with the tier. It's like, would you really, if Vikings fans get mad. Look, obviously in real life, Justin Jefferson as a real life receiver is just as good, maybe better than Jamar Chase.

What is the argument to take Justin Jefferson over Jamar Chase? I don't think there is one just because Justin Jefferson's quarterback's literally never played in the NFL. Maybe Jay Jim McCarthy takes in the Super Bowl. He could also suck. Yeah. And that would be really, like he could suck. Or he could get hurt again. Dagrescott and Joe Burrow will, if they're on the field, they won't suck. I know that.

And that's the thing. The other part of the reason I think these are the top two guys in their own tier of Jamar Chase and Citi lamb and I wouldn't take another receiver, even Justin Jefferson over these two. Is the Cowboys and Bengals at this moment in time are the favorites to lead the NFL in passing attempts. The Cowboys' offense is not running through the running game. That's why they settled from Miles Sanders and Giovante Williams. It's Dak Prescott

got the passing as the core of the Cowboys offense. Obviously, the Bengals are the same thing. Both defenses, I think, are going to suck again. I don't think the Cowboys can stop the run. The Bengals defense is not very good. And I just, these probably going to lead the league and pass attempts. In the same way, we're like, is George Pickens as good as T. Higgins? No. Well, guess what? On the Bengals last year, Jermar Chase, They had Teakins there.

And Jamar Chase literally had the triple crown. He had the most catches, yards and touchdowns at the position, even though Teagans was there for almost most of the season. And so to me, even the pickings is great. It's like, well, if Dak Prescott's leading the league into attempts, it's not going to matter. No. Like C.D.

is going to, you know? It might even help CD. I mean, CD had six touchdowns last year. You know, maybe it'll be a hundred percent. Let's double cover. Yeah. So, Dak was a runner up for the MVP two years ago. I should have won.

I should have kind of forget that. You know what I mean? Greg always says he should have won. I think he should have won. No. Man, I'm just looking at the stats again. Joe Burrow was through for 5,000 yards. 5,000 yards.

43 touchdowns, man. That's, it's just, Craig was worried about Joe Burroughs wrist last year. Can you believe it? That's crazy. I'm even talking about a fucking water bottle. Anyway, so, yeah,

so Jamar Chase is, and also, I will just, can I just give a, this is horrible analysis, but I did want to just note it. Okay. I like this. So Jamar Chase is the consensus number, one overall player, which I think we have to just mention before we go on.

Like, it's, Jamar Chase is our number one player, ESPN, Yahoo, fantasy life, establish the run, fantasy points, PFF. Everywhere is Jamar Chase's number one. And mostly, for the most part, the industry basically agrees on the number one player every year. Last year, we actually moved McCaffrey off. Everyone else in McCaffrey. I know where you're going. This is the fantasy Madden cover, essentially.

Yes. And I will just say, this is not analysis, but it's just, it's more just interesting to me. the number one consensus fantasy player has not played 11 games in like 6 years or 12 games which is 3 months. They have missed the number one player has missed a month for six straight seasons

which is not like actual now it's just funny to me that we're everyone in the world is like take this guy first and that player is always missed a month if not more. So just worth noting that you know you can just another thing as Craig was saying take whoever you want because like you know what I mean?

Just go through guys. it's been seven years since the number one guy actually you wish you would take it. Maybe that's a good sign for Seekwan that he's not the consensus number one. Yeah, there you go. It'll be healthy. So anyway, so Chase and C. Lam are the top tier.

The next tier is basically guys that are also incredible, but there's like a question about them. Justin Jefferson for the Vikings, who's just as good as Lamb and Chase, but it's like, well, if quarterbacks never played in the NFL. Then we have Nico Collins for the Texans where it's like, well, they house their entire offensive line and we also don't know who's going to be

the running back, which is like a little concerning. Pucanakua, who I actually could argue, I think Pukidiku is a chance, maybe it's a triple crown this year himself, but Stafford, his quarterback's getting epidurals, which is usually a sentence year with pregnant women. So it's like that's a little concerning. Amon Russ St. Brown, who has an entirely new,

like basically the offensive coaching staff's different, and then the offensive line is much worse in Detroit. And then Malik Neighbors, who his quarterback is Russell Wilson, and then maybe a rookie Jackson Dart. So that's the next year. All of them incredibly talented, all incredibly productive and there's just one giant about them.

It's a little bit. Bleak is not the right word because obviously these are all very good players. But man, it sucks to have so many of these elite receivers with like major question marks in the offense. I'm still a little like I love Nico. I'm still a little bit worried about like what the Texans are going to be. If Stroud can kind of bounce back.

I believe in Stroud. I think he's a very good quarterback. But you know, you mentioned it. They basically remade their offensive line this year. We don't really know what this new offensive coordinator. coordinator is going to bring. Nick Cayley, who came from the room.

And then with Puka, I was actually looking at this the other day. This is kind of an aside and a tangent. I want to say, DeVante Adams, right now, Puka is 16 to one offensive player of the year. And Devante Adams is 100 to 1. Just putting it out there. Just throwing it out there. Dabbling on Fandul.

Yeah. So you're saying Pucket, Kua, out week one, and then you have Devante Adams. 100 to 1, baby. At least he was when I left a few days ago. I don't hate. I kind of get that. I think this tier should be expanded.

So you have these one, two, three, four, five guys you mentioned. And your next year, you just have four more guys, which is Brian Thomas Jr. for the Jags, Drake, Leonard for the Falcons, H.A.Bron for the Eagles, Ladd, McConk through the charges. I'm fine to merge them. I think it should be expanded. If you look at it, I think all of these guys have somewhat similar chances of being, like, the overall wide receiver one. If you look at what they did last year, they're all within, like, a point of each other.

Brian Thomas was like a top five receiver to close the year with Mack Jones. Drake London was the number one overall wide receiver with Michael Pennix in those three games. A.J. Brown on Philly. We've seen him do it. Many seasons, I think the Eagles are going to throw a lot more this year. And then, like, just with what Lad's doing with the Chargers, I think he should be included as well. I would even venture to say, and where I really want to linger on is, you don't have Tyree Kill in that tier. You have Tyree Kill in that tier four. Tyree Kill was the last guy. I moved him up. I moved them up. I moved them down. I moved them down. And I'm totally fine to put Tyree Kill in the tier. I think there should be a giant tier two with the five guys you mentioned, adding Brian Thomas, Drake,

London, AJ Brown, Ladd McConkey, and Tyree Kill. I, it's fine. I kind of, I literally, so the way I, because I, I'm fine, the reason I had Amonrod neighbors, Puka, Collins, and Jefferson in the first tier, I was like, if I actually stick to what I'm saying about what the tiers are of like, I guess it's squishy sometimes where I'm like, I don't care how the order you rank them. And I'm like, these guys are guys you could take sixth in the first round, six overall. And I'm fine with it.

And I'm like, I'm not going to take Ladd McConkey sixth. However, sometimes it's squishy. It's more like, it's also, I wouldn't be shocked if any of these guys to your point, any of the other ones like zero surprise. No, like to that point, that's fine. A.J. Brown beats Amonra, St. Brown or Drake London beats Puganakua. And the point, more importantly, the point being the top, if you get two of these guys, you're like walking on, you're, you feel like you're invincible, right?

If you go to Tyree Kill, I think that's, is it 12 or 13 guys? To me, two of those 13 is the goal in my draft. How do you feel about that being one big tier, DK, Justin Jefferson, Nico Collins, Puka, Amanra, Malik neighbors, Brian Thomas, Drake, London, AJ Brown, Mekonki, and Tyrake, and Tyrake, being one giant tier. I don't mind it. Where I would quibble and where I would probably personally draw the line is at AJ Brown. And then Ladd McConkey and Tyreek would be down a tier.

I don't really know if I see them in the same tier as like AJ Brown, Drake Lennon, and Brian Thomas, etc. Malign neighbors, all those guys. But it's a small quibble. And that's just like how I would do it personally. If you look at our ranks, that's kind of what it looks like. Although I guess Lad is only a couple behind AJ Brown. But then you have a kind of a big drop for Tyree Kill. So are you saying AJ Brown belongs in that a little?

elite tier and then McConkey's a step below? I think, yeah, and I think if you kind of take a look at that list, to me, any one of those guys ending up as the overall wide receiver one this year wouldn't be a huge surprise. I would be pretty surprised if Ladd McConkey is the overall wide receiver one. So maybe that's just like one way of doing it. I'm, again,

it's just a quibble. It's not really, I don't know what, strongly. That's fine. I would actually make the case for Tyreekill belonging in this category, maybe over Lad. I want to linger on Tyreek for a second because I think he's one of the more interesting fantasy players this year. So based on the rankings, it's kind of, I think you could make the assumption that a lot of people think Tyreek is over the hill. He's washed. Yes.

You're so much better than that. I know. Over the hill. Good one. But, nailed it. Last year was a mess for Miami. Two of them is six games with the concussion stuff. Tyreek also hurt his wrist in August last year and played the entire season with it.

He claimed it was from getting handcuffed. Right. that. He got risk surgery and he said that, and again, just a reminder, Tyrakeel was, like, detained by police on the waited week one. And he said that the handcuffing made his wrist surgery recovery worse. He injured it in a joint practice against Washington in August last year. So he's had two surgeries this offseason.

But Tyree kill is 31 years old. In a Derek Henry sense, like, to me, he's one of the most freak athletes we've seen in a long time. The year before last year, he was the number one overall overall. receiver he had 1,800 yards. The year before that, he had 1,700 yards. And so it's like last year he had 1,800 yards, 13 touchdowns, and he was 30 years old. So it's like, okay. Or he was 29 going into 30.

Now he's 31 going to 32. I'm not that worried that Tyree Kill athletically is over the hill or anything like that. There's obviously like, we're worried that to his health. That's always the biggest question mark. But it always has been with Tyree Kill. And now that you can just get him as like the wide receiver 14, to me, is out of control. Like, would you be surprised for a second if Tyree Kill was the number one over a wide receiver this year? And it's just the same Miami thing we've been seeing.

Keep in mind, John Newsmith is gone, who had 100 catches last year. Right. So the context I'll give you on Tyree Kill, to Craig's point, is there's two camps. So this is where having an opinion matters because you can look at the same season of different opinions. Some people look at last season for Miami and are like, well, Tyree Kill was worse. And if you look at statistically, he was worse. The argument is, well, the same. team suck, too, it was hurt, and Tyriek

stopped trying, hence why he wanted to trade. And Tyreek was hurt. And Tyreekill was hurt. It's literally started with him being detained, like very over-eager police in the witty week one. The whole season, nightmare season, throw it out. And to your point, though, about Tyree kills upside, Greg, I wrote Tyree kills blurb.

We have our blurbs at fancyf football. Dot the ringer.com. And I reminded myself that in 2020 this season you're talking about, Tyre Kill didn't just have 1,800 yards. He had 1,800 yards, even though the dolphins had the third fewest passes after half time that season.

So they weren't, they didn't need to throw. If Tyree Kill had ran as many routes by yards per route run, if Tyree Kill had ran as many routes in 2023 as Calvin Johnson did in, when the year he set the record, Tyree Kill would have had 3,000 receiving yards. Like, like, I'm going to say like, he literally had four yards per route run. Calvin Johnson, he set the record was like 2.8. So Tyreek Hill literally, if they were just middle of the pack after halftime, would have had shattered the first receiver to be the first 2,000-year-old receiver. That is the upside that you're talking about, Craig.

Literally, he was so beyond a 2,000-yard pace by any other metric. The question is, what happens if the dolphin, I'm curious what you think. If the dolphins start 0 and 4, do you worry about the vibes of this team deteriorating and Tyreek maybe wanting a trade back? Of course. That's the problem to me is like, I don't like that he's a loose. canon, you know what I mean? That's the problem. It has not been a great offseason.

I mean, Tyree Kill ended last year saying he wanted out of Miami, him and tour publicly fighting every week in practice. He's like, God, man. Tyree Kill's like, they should play the bigger backs in goal line. And Mike McDiano goes up the next day and is like, thanks, Tyreek,

maybe you got that idea for when we practiced with the larger backs at goal line. Thanks for telling everyone. That's all fine, but part of me is like, what are they going to, I mean, it's like, They don't have a lot of other options. I guess Tyree Kill could just quiet quit on the team, sure.

But he is going 30th in draft. You can get Tyree Kill in the middle of the third round. Yeah. So to your point, Craig, Ben Gretch, who's a really smart guy who writes a substack, how to take that basically figuring out the dolphins one way or the other is the most important thing in fantasy this year. Because the idea is if the dolphins, you know,

our old colleague Kevin Clark said ESPN said ESPN, say the dolphins are built for two years ago. And then the flip side is, well, if the dolphins get 90% of the way there, 85% of the way there two years ago. Devon A. Chan should be in the first round and Tyree Kill should be in the first round.

Unquestionably. And the idea that you get the... And Waddle should probably be in like the second round. Yes. Yeah, no, you're right. That's not what I said. So... I didn't say that.

That's not what I said. Yeah. So anyway. I just, I think Tyree Kill is the single best value in the first three rounds of drafts this year. I think that's fair. Carlos, Dolphins, and says Dolphins starting O'N 4 would require losing to Jets and Patriots

who they've never lost to in the first four seasons. Well, you know, speaking of the Jets, Tyree Kill is going one spot ahead of Garrett Wilson in drafts. Garrett Wilson has never had more than 1,100 yards or seven touchdowns in the season. I've decided that I'm going to enjoy Garrett Wilson's talents from a distance this season. I don't know anyone in fantasy who's ever liked having Garrett Wilson. We should have a list of players that are talented that no one's ever liked having. I just, there's no scenario in which I'm staring at Garrett Wilson and Tyree Kill on draft day,

and I'm selecting Garrett Wilson. So we'll move Tyrant Kill into this. I think one big tier makes sense, though, because the spirit of the tier, I think, is if you walk away with one of these guys as your number two, you're going to float. What were you saying, D.K.? Well, I was just going to say this is more like a big picture question, I guess.

Do you think that the biggest edge in fantasy and has been maybe for the last five years is just reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated for like older veteran. Like last year was like Mike Evans. He was going really late over 1,000. thousand yards. Derek Henry every year, James Connor every year.

James Connor every year. It feels like it's just the one of the best of how you. It was the year of the 30 year old. This is what we discussed last year. Sometimes I think we backed ass first into the best insight we've ever had in the history of the show, which was all the data about, again, models have the underlying metrics and the underlying models spitting our projections have age curves. And I think the best insight we ever had was probably all that data is just outdated.

Like all the data on when. player's tail off is like Levyon, even someone like Levyon Bell in like 2017, I don't know if he had a portable hyperbaric chamber. Like he didn't have the tracker. He didn't have the like even since COVID. Like Leveon Bill didn't have a chip in his pads where they were like kind of monitoring. Like, you know, they weren't weighing his hamstrings and being like, your legs weigh the same.

Like the tracking has come a long way in the health, in the heart monitors, the science, how they got sleep, how they get like there's been a lot of stuff. Like even just testing their fucking vision. also you know what I mean? Yeah. And this is, I don't know how the data is put together. So maybe this is accounted for in a lot of these studies. But it's like the best players in fantasy are fucking outliers. Like these guys are outliers.

It's not like a median outcome type player. They're fucking awesome. And so like a lot of them just keep being awesome for a while. Derek Henry is basically the LeBron James of running backs. Right. Yes. Yeah, he really is. And to the point.

Remember the tweet like, thank God LeBron's whatever age is that he can't keep doing this shit forever or whatever. At 30 that he won the title. from like seven years ago. 2018, yeah. Oh my God. But yeah, I agree. And also Adam Harstad had a post for like years ago that was basically receivers decline.

But until they decline, they don't decline. Like until you see it. And also injuries to get that. You know, it comes to sometimes to say older, like when you're older, injuries actually create the aging process. I think it's really noisy data. It's super noisy data. So you can't just make a blanket statement.

Once you turn 30, this guy's going to fucking fall off a cliff. No, it's once you turn 30. he might fall off cliff or he might be the wide receiver two you know okay so Tyree kill Craig is passionately saying Tyree kill's probably underrated he's probably right the other guy I want to say Craig turning on his boy Ladd McConkey I think Ladd's a really good value this year do you feel that way DK I'm surprised you wanted him in a lower tier because I think lad is just as good as I mean I think he should be included but I see DK's point about perhaps the ceiling not being as high I guess why not I think he's really good here's the deal last year

he was the wide receiver 14 on the year he's a rookie he had a 29% target right which was awesome. But again, this is a lower volume passing offense. So actually, sorry, I was reading the wrong guy. He was actually a wide receiver 18, 22% target rate. I mean, these are just not like elite, elite numbers. He had 82 catches, which was 15th. I don't know.

I think he's awesome. I'm not saying that we should drop him down a lot. He had 200 guards in one game in the playoffs. He doesn't, I just don't think he belongs in the same tier as like A.J. Brown and some of these other guys, Mike Names. But because it's a lower passing volume offense. The Eagles set the lowest passes. NFL. I don't know. I think that's just saying, D.K.

It's because he's white. Yeah, I was going to say, I actually think Ladd McConkey. I can't find a guy named Ladd McConkey. That's why. No, I actually think he's awesome. He's really, really good. He might as well be named Ladd Mahonkey to you. Yeah, Ladd McConkey. That's actually incredible. Ladd McHonkey. Wow, that's how have we never come up with that one before?

You made it a year into this guy's career, though, saying that. I think Lad is, like straight up a better wide receiver to Garrett Wilson straight up. Oh, yeah. It's also, Gary Wilson. No, on talent, not a production. Like, he's a better player.

Yeah, I, Ladd, all of the underlying metrics, like the route running, all of that stuff, him versus man, him versus zone is like incredibly good. Him versus man specifically, which it's always like, all the white guys are great at zone. The white guys are great at sitting in these open pockets and zone. Ladd is phenomenal against man coverage. That's why he shredded the Texans in the playoffs.

And so I guess just overall. His name is Andrew, by the way. His middle name is Lad. I would go by Ladd too Hey Bond Like Ladd is Lad is sick I wish my middle name is Ladd

Well no Ladd is sick but it also like It caps how high I'm willing to put you in the ranks I think lad is I would I think if you get Ladd this year In the third round

It's purely because he's white And you're gonna get an incredible player How do you guys feel about RJ Harvey Harvey's first name Actually being Robert? That that's fine Because that's a normal one Can I tell you?

Robert Harvey do you think if he was going by Bob Harvey he would he would be as well Well you know this is a real thing in Washington, right? Where I got to pull up the guy's name because I keep forgetting it. It's Merritt. What's his name? Luke Merritt.

So, Jacorsky, Chorke-Mert in Washington. Who the hell's Luke Merritt? No, Jacori-Crossky Merit. No, I know. It's a bit, and they just call him Bill. Bill. He's called Jacori Crosky.

His name's not Bill. His name's not Bill. It's a bit from when he was a kid. He's called him Bill. So it goes by Bill Merit, his name's Jacori. Oh. And now the fans love it.

So everyone just calls him Bill Merritt. This just reminds me of how there's a guy, one of the Scars Guard kids, his name is Bill, which I just find very funny for some reason. Bill Scars, guy. I don't know why. Anyone our age named Bill is wild. I just think Bill is a wild. And just being 20, a name Bill is funny. I know, because it's like Will is right there.

You could just be Will. Yeah. I don't know. I know I'll let you a lot of guys name Will. I don't know. None of them go by Bill anymore. No, I don't know anybody in their 20s named Bill. no no offense to the people at this company named bill the people uh Alexander Scarsgard

Gustav Scars Guard Gustoff Scarsguard Walter Scarsguard Austin Scarsguard and Bill this is like how Champ Bailey's brother is named Bob or something yeah totally also I think Alex I think Bill Scarsguard looks like uh he looks like Joe Burrow okay all right we can't we can't go down the Scars guard where I haven't we have we have come up on we also got an email about a guy who said he named his daughter daughter Margo because of Margo Robbie. I did. And he consistently gets compliments about how pretty of a name it is.

You also left out how he put in parentheses, please don't tell my wife. Okay. Next tier here. I think this is the tier. Pretty name. I would define this tier as I'm no longer thrilled if you're my number one. But I'm going to be really happy if you're my number two. Mike Evans, which maybe that's dumb, but Mike Evans, Jackson, Smith and Jigba, who's on the Seahawks,

T. Higgins, the Bengals, Devante Adams for the Rams, Garrett Wilson for the Jets, Terry McLaren for Washington, Marvin Harrison, Jr. For the Cardinals. And that maybe alone is controversial because he hasn't done it yet, but I figured fuck it. If you're wondering why McLaren's here, it's just really simple. It's because Terry McLaurin had by far the most touchdowns of his career, the most in French history at 13.

But even with that, he only had like a thousand yards last year for Terry McLaren. And they added Debo and it was all just, you're basically betting that Jane Daniels is like straight up with top three deep ball throw in the NFL again. and because if Terry McLaurin has still eight touchdowns, it's still a good year, but like a thousand, you know,

so, DK, I think Jackson Smith and Jigua is the most anonymous of all these guys. A lot of these guys are really famous, like Mike Evans, Devonts, DeVante,

McClure. Like, can you tell us a little about why Jackson Smith and Jigua should be ranked next to Mike Evans? I struggle with this one because I'm not really sure

he should. You know what I mean? Because I think I worry about his overall upside this year. The CX are going to want to run the ball. Everything they've done over the off season is, you know,

focused on identity of smash mouth football, run the ball. And I think also Jackson Smith of Jigba benefited dramatically and greatly

from the type of offense the Seahawks ran last year where it was super high pass volume and Gino Smith was hitting him on these little short routes and he would just run

after the catch, things like that. I don't know if they're going to do a ton of that this year in terms of the style of offense they want to run, the style of passing game

they want to run. I still think he's going to be really good. But, I guess what I'm saying is it would not surprise me if Jackson Smithig Jigba doesn't have 100 catches for 1,100 yards and 6 touchdowns this year. I don't know, it feels like the Seahawks offense is changing so much.

And JSCN was sort of perfect for the one that they ran last year. And I don't know for sure how he'll look in this one this year. How do you feel, Craig? I feel a little bit more confident. I like JSM this year. I think he's the first true Glansberg of the wide receivers where I don't think he's going to turn any heads when you draft him. I think it's just a combination of like the Seahawks identity, the Darnold unknown, his name.

He's just not that famous of a player. He was the first five receiver taken in kind of a weird year. He was 20th overall. But like he had a true breakout last year on a team with D.K. Metcalf and Tyler Lockett playing full seasons. Combined, the two of those guys only missed one game last year. He had 100 catches, 1130 yards, six touchdowns. And there's now 182 targets up for grab. Cooper Cup is in.

but D.K. McCaff and Tyler Lockett are gone. The Kubiak offense, I agree with D.K. They're going to run the ball more. But, like, I think JSN has a lot of the skills that work in a Kubiak offense. I also think he has, like, the ability to be a number one overall guy. Matt Harmon, who's, like, the best at charting wide receivers, said the second half of the year, JSN was the most efficient wide receiver versus man. Basically five yards per route run since week 10 versus man coverage, which is a ridiculous

number. And so I think the, like, play action. in breaking, outbreaking routes, that type of stuff that they're going to be running with JSN is different than stuff that Brian Grub was doing last year in Seattle. I don't know. I think it's going to work.

I think the offense is going to be efficient. There's going to be more openings in the passing game. The defense is going to be really good. They're going to be in a lot of close games. I like Seattle this year in general. I'm really big on like year two with these very smart coaches kind of having a second year to implement their system.

So I think he's rock solid. I don't know if I guess the volume will be there for him to be like a top five wide receiver. But I feel confident that he's going to be like the guy and get a ton of targets this year. So big picture, this group of players, Mike Evans and Jigba, Higgins, Devante, Garrett Wilson, McLaren, Marvin Harrison.

I just hope running backs are here instead. Specifically, the similar tier of running backs, Kyron Williams, Chase Brown, Ken Walker, maybe, for me, less so James Cook at Breece Hall, but like I kind of like those guys better than these receivers. Like I would

rather have Chase Brown and Kyron Williams over all these guys. I will take Devonty Adams and and Jigba and Higgins over Breece Hall and Ken Walker. But if it's like, I'll take Ken Walker and maybe probably even Breeze Hall over Garrett Wilson. I'll take Ken

Walker and Breece Hall over like Terry, unfortunately just because I think Terry that would probably be the best season of his career last year. And Marvin, like I'm underwhelmed by some of these guys. I'm excited about Devante just because of the Rams, but Stafford's back is kind of freaking me out. Like, I don't know.

I like Higgins in this group. You like T? I feel like he's the one guy who, I don't know if inappropriately valued is the wrong, like inappropriate is probably not the right word for it, but it feels like when we can look back, you know, at this next, when in December or whatever,

when we look back at the rankings, we like, why did we have T. Higgins so low? Because last year, literally the Y-Receiver 4 and points per game, 15 points per game. in games that he and Jemar Chase played, he actually out-targeted Jemar Chase, 108 to 107. He wasn't getting as explosive of, you know,

that's a great stat though. Yeah, I mean, and the other thing is just like the offensive environment. It is a pass-it-to-the-It-It-tallion type of offense, where they only kind of focus on those two guys. And I saw this stat from Pat Thorman, which definitely checks out and, like, kind of makes sense in my brain. It is Joe Burrow had almost two times as many pass attempts inside the five-yard. line as the next highest quarterback.

Joe Burrow loves to do his thing, scan the defense. He feels like he can pick them apart every time. You know what I mean? It's the Joe Burrow offense. It's not like they're running some scheme that just like whatever they feel like is the best scheme is like Joe Burrow is running that shit.

You know what I mean? And he's going to pass a Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. T. Higgins, extremely tall. Very lengthy arms. Catches everything. Has an incredible catch radius. Like him and... Him and Dickens, maybe,

or make the most ridiculous catches. week. Well, Pickens does it out of bounds. But Higgins actually does it in the field of play. Very fair. But, I mean, yeah, I think there's obviously the chance that sort of that, like, stat will regress this year and Joe Burrow will, like, they'll just, like, rush for more touchdowns.

That's possible. But I don't know, man, I'm still wanting to just get every piece of this Bengals offense that I can. I feel like Higgins is way lower than he probably should be. So here's my question. If we added Tyree Kill to that tier that had, we made it one mega tier, basically, from Justin Jefferson to Tyree Kill, which isn't crazy. Should we be adding Mike Evans and T. Higgins into that group?

It made Devante, too. Like maybe. We just said, why are we banking on the fall off all these guys? I know Mike Evans got hurt last year. It came back. Someone got to 1,000 yards again. In 11 game, 12 games, somebody came to Mike Evans even play. He got 2,000 yards. Should we be adding Evans?

Devonte Adams, another elite guy in the best situation he's been in in five years with McVeigh and their staff and the Rams. And then T. Higgins. Should these guys be there too? And we should worry less about these guys. And the guys we have questions about of like in Jigba, where we haven't seen it year over year. Garrett Wilson where we've never really seen it the way we wanted to. And then Terry McLaurin where we had 13 touchdowns in one year off deep balls, should that be the next tier of guys we have like like true like reservations about?

And we move Mike Evans Devon. I think we need to move the tiers. No, because then you just have like a massive, massive tier. I still feel like pretty strongly I'd rather have Drake London than T. Higgins. You know, even as much as I love T. Higgins. So these are number one. These are two we feel great about basically. Well, Evans is in a two.

Should Evans be higher? Maybe. No. We're just cowards? God was hurt. It's going to be Evans and an Ibuka. Yeah, I don't know. We don't really know what's going on with God, Godwin, though.

Like, there's still some hope. I was reading it the other day. There's still some hope that he'll play week on. He had a section surgery. It's probably not going to happen, but I don't think he's like going to miss the entire year. He's not going to miss the year, but I'll tell you what happened Godwin. He's been ranked because the team signed him and everyone interpreted that as, as, he's fine.

A certain degree of health. And then Chris Godwin, it's been reported by Genileneity. Chris Godwin had another surgery. And I just don't, that's a tough injury. Dislocated his fucking ankle. Like,

what are the odds? Chris Godwin comes back and is like incredible. I'm sorry, but it's low for this season. Like, it's just a classic, like we shouldn't be taking Chris Godwin

at market value. I just think that's like, people are just so weird about injuries sometimes. Anyway. But yeah, I mean, it is,

I think it, it's a fair discussion, but I don't, I don't mind these tiers, honestly. No, I agree. I think this is right. T. Higgins is the only one. If you wanted to move him up, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

So tier three, we're going to lock it as Mike Evans, Jackson, Smith, and Jake, but T. Higgins, DeVante, Adams, Garrett, Garrett, Wilson, Terry McLaur and Marvin Harrison.

Are we, well, we even have time to talk about Marvin Harrison right now? Do you want to get into the Marvin Harrison? Harrison's, I'm fine. Putting him there,

but like, I actually kind of wish I can move him down because I don't want him. If Marvin Harrison's on the board, are you taking him above any of those other guys? Nope. No chance. I'd rather be wrong at him on someone else's team than... He probably doesn't belong in this tier. I don't want to...

Like, it's emotional. It's not reality. I can't handle taking Marvin Harrison and him being bad. That is so much more catastrophic to me than him being good on someone else's team. I don't feel like that's an L. It's funny because last year we did our lessons of the coming out of the 20th. 25 season and one of the lessons was just like zagged by the dip and on that episode we were like

we should probably just draft Marvin Harrison next year because everybody will be out on him. But is it a dip if Marvin Harrison's going like 38th? Is that a dip? Slight dip. It's a slight dip from last year but like he's going next to fucking Devante Adams is that a dip? He's going 40th It is a dip but I understand what you're saying. It's a dip from 19th

but why the fuck was he going 19? That was preposterous. Yeah. We got a little over our skis on that. That was your point you made on that pod that you should just buy the dip on people who... That was right. I don't think when I said that... Go argue with yourself.

I don't think I knew when I saw that that Marvin Harrison's draft capital would still start with like a three. I didn't think he'd be going around Chase Brown. Even close. That's crazy to me. Yeah. I thought he'd be going 60th.

And I'm like, okay, yeah, sure, that's worth it. Fantasy pros ranking, he's going around James Cook, Kenneth Walker, McLaren, Camara, DJ Moore, and Hampton. Oh, see, that's... Well, Hampton has to be higher. But yeah, I guess that's about right. Fine. Fuck it, fine.

Harris can stay in this tier. I mean, the vibes have not been great. I feel like... No. Will Johnson, I said you guys that clip of Will Johnson just throwing him to the ground. I was like, didn't he just add 10 pounds of muscle?

I know. Makes you top heavy, Craig. Okay, so the next tier here. I... It's so big. And you guys, if you disagree, please tell me. This tier to me is huge.

I have DJ Moore for the Bears, D.K. Mekaf for the Steelers. Tet Tuaroa McMillan for the Panthers James and Williams to the Lions George Pickens to the Cowboys Jalen Waddle for the Dolphins Quillotin Sutton for the Broncos Xavier Worthy and Rishie Rice for the Chiefs Calvin Ridley for the Titans

Devonter Smith of the Eagles Zayflavres for the Ravens Travis Hunter for the Jags and Crystal Lobby for the Saints I think it should be cut off at Sutton personally Sutton Yeah I don't think I don't really feel like Worthies in the same stratosphere

Rice there's just so many question marks with him in terms of health and his suspension. But I just don't like Sutton and Worthier that that to me is the cutoff point. You don't think Jalen Waddle and Xavier Worthier in the same stratosphere? No, not really.

Really? I'm the one who likes Jail and Waddle. So Bear that mind. You guys fucking hate Jail and Waddle. Three times in two years. Yeah. That's how I feel. Worthy had more points than Waddle last year.

What's that? Worthy had more points than Waddle last year. Yeah. Rish Rice was out. all year. Or, let's take a half the year, whatever. I don't know. He's also going to be out for the first six weeks of this year.

I generally don't. Said what I said. I generally don't have huge issues with this tier. There's like maybe a player or two I would tweak in it. But generally this is exactly what I have as well. Here's my overall take from this tier. This tier, I don't want to be drafting at the top of it. But I

think that this clarified something for me. And this is a letter. Where to do lessons from fantasy season next week? And one of them, I think, I wrote down was like when you draft someone, you're drafting the whole family. You're drafting the whole offense. Sure. You're getting the coach.

You're getting the quarterback. You're in the offensive line. And I have joked that I wish that when you say, you have to say the quarterback or the coach with every receiver. And I look at these teams and I'm like, you know what, if we're going to have 15 guys and they're all vaguely the same, and we feel like that we have an idea of all them.

I'm like, I am like, I, just the tiebreaker to me feels so obvious. Give me the offenses I believe in. So I look at this group. Do I believe in the coach, quarterback, offensive situation, whatever? Kansas City with Mahomes and worthy, absolutely. Do I believe in George Pickens in Dallas,

where it's Dak Prescott and they're going to lead the league and passes at times probably. Yeah, Jameson Williams and the Lions. Still, yes, I do. I do still. Sean Peyton and Bow next to Cortland Sutton, I do. Even Devontes Smith, where it's a little more complicated because you're almost betting on an injury to AJ Browner got it from

to really great. But then I look at Chris Olave, who's going to be catching passes from like Spencer Rattler and the Saints in a new offense. I look at the Bears. And I kind of, this Christless to me, I'm out on the Bears this year. And that's where I have DG Boar, I admittedly have at the top of this tier.

And I think I decided this week, I'm out on the Bears for 2025. Because I almost think a litmus test I want for receivers, is your offense on August 7th still working on being able to motion a tight end across the formation without the snap hitting the guy as he runs? Because if like that's what you're focusing on in mid-August, I don't want your team. Like I don't like that. You know what Caleb Williams is actually working on in August?

he still taking snaps under center. You know what I mean? I just don't want... I read the... Cortland Cronin and ESPN had a great story this week of the Bears, and this one... This quote just stood out to me, and she's all these details of what they're going over.

But this is a quote from Roma Dunes-A on the record. I know Ben's off, Ben Johnson, the coaching team. I know Ben's offense isn't just something that you're going to completely have a full understanding of in year one. It's something that takes a little bit of evolving to get there. And I'm like, this is a little bit of, isn't going to work in year one.

And maybe three months in, it'll be good. But I'm just out on the Bears. I don't, I don't even think that's, that's not a hot take. I think I understand that completely. Yeah, I mean, I, I've, I have struggled to see anybody, it's August 7th. We're taping this right now. Be like, you know what? Bears look awesome.

I'm in. Things are going great over there. Caleb seems like he's doing great. I think I just want to pre-buy-buy-buy-the-dip for next year in Chicago. Everyone's going to be out on Ben Johnson. and everyone's going to want to replace Caleb and then I will buy all the stock now. I don't see any reason to buy the stock on the Bears now.

The Ben Johnson bump is a real thing right now. And I don't know. I still would definitely drive DJ more. Again, if you go back and look at it, he's had like a 29% target rate over the last like three or four years. He is just going to gobble up targets every single year, regardless of who the quarterback is. They love to use him on screens and manufacture touches.

There's talk of him being a running back. Like we've seen snaps of him as a running back. I know that doesn't really matter, but the point is more just that they're going to manufacture touches for this guy. So I like DJ more. But for everybody else, I understand the risk. I understand kind of like the apprehension. And I think the Ben Johnson bump is pushing these guys up probably a little bit more than they should. And I'm kind of with you high fits.

But at the same time, I do still kind of trust DJ more. I think this category is, if this is the third wide receiver on your team, you're feeling good. If they're the second wide receiver on your team, you're a little nervous. Right. The guy I like the most out of this category is Ted McMillan, who is going so late. I mean, he's going 58th in draft. He's going as basically the wide receiver 30.

I just think sometimes I think there's a negative connotation to the argument of like, well, someone's got to get passes in this offense, which that is the situation in Carolina. But I also just think Tet's really, really good. But he was drafted to be the guy. It's not like someone's going to do it. Ted's like, Tet's like, Tett Tuaroa, they're like, it's going to be him. He was drafted at eighth overall.

And the track record of top 10. wide receivers, they're on average putting up 1,000 yards in their rookie season. And a lot of those players are on complicated offenses where they're not the number one wide receiver or kind of like the quarterback coach situation's a mess. I feel relatively confident that Bryce Young is going to build on a good second half of last year. Year two of Dave Canales, I'm big on year two seasons with these offensive coordinators. And I just think he's great.

I really think he's like a T. Higgins, Mike Evans, who's even better after the catch. and he fits really nicely with like the way Bryce Young throwing down the sidelines, quick slants, all that stuff. I think Ted is going to challenge people for like top 10 in targets this year. And consistently year after year, we underrate rookie wide receivers. And I think McMillan's just not that famous. I think there was a lot of skepticism about whether or not. He played in Arizona.

Yeah, he played in Arizona. Nobody really knew what they thought of him. Travis Hunter was so sexy and had all this buzz. I just think Ted is rock solid and could kind of immediately be a star. The truth of the matter is receivers who don't come from the SEC, or Ohio State or just like kind of more anonymous. Like they just are. Yeah. And I even think going to Carolina is another like anonymous team that not a lot of people have thoughts on or really think about. But I think we don't know if we trust the whole Bryce Young resurgence either, I think is probably

part of it. There's nobody thinks about Carolina. Yeah. They're just an afterthought team. And yeah, I think that's a great pick in this in this tier. My favorite. The other one we, I think we like Calvin Ridley. I think he's kind of the exception to the two good offenses because I think we all believe Cam Ward actually is a real shot to be impressive as a rookie. And I think we'll, I just think, again, Calvin Ridley is going to be absolutely like force fed to the point where that is everything you need to overcome. A rookie who's going to be reckless and just force feeding your receiver is how you overcome

maybe a not great offense. Yeah, he's being priced like Will Levis as his quarterback. He was on a 1300 yard pace with Will Levis last year, Calvin Ridley. Yeah, and D.K., isn't it funny to have a thing like that where Calvin Ridley's going to get 30% of the Titans offense and then like side by side with like Zay Flowers in Baltimore where you're like he's going to get more like a fifth of the Ravens passing game that will be mostly Derek Henry running. I could be less into Zayflowers every year. I was going to say that. I was like when I was looking at our tears, I was like, I feel like we've maybe got Zay Flowers too high. It's not that I don't like the talent.

I think he's a explosive, elusive, like, fun player to watch, but he's kind of sloppy, messy, messes up plays, messes up routes, drops, passes, things like that. It's just, like, kind of like a frustrating player. And, you know, and I think more than most receivers, I guess you could say this about, like, the Eagles receivers too, but he gets sort of game scripted out, like, half the time. You know what I mean?

Like, if the Ravens get an early lead, which I think they're still going to do a lot of this year, it's like, well, Zayflowers is fucked. You know what I mean? Like early, it's the first quarter and they're up by two touchdowns. You're like, oh, God, well, now they're going to run the ball for the rest of game. It's going to be really slow. Zay Flowers basically invisible in the red zone for the Ravens last year.

He just wasn't a target in the red zone. And I guess that kind of makes sense based on like his body type and everything. But he had a 25% target rate, which was top 10 in the NFL among receivers. But he just never really was utilized in the red zone. And so that really hurt him. He had 74 catches, almost 1,100 yards, and four touchdowns. I mean, and this is on a team that this is Lamar through 40 plus touchdowns. And here's the difference to say flowers.

When Devante Smith's in a similar situation, incredible offense, great running game, but you get to the red zone and the red zone is like Jalen Hertz, then Seekwan, then A.J. Brown, then A. AJ Brown, then A.J. Brown gets hurt. Devonty Smith doesn't exist. The difference is if Dallas Goddard gets hurt, Devonty Smith's like a top 12 receiver. Like, and that bears out. If A.J. Brown is hurt. Like, Devonty Smith is like a top. Hill receiver. When Zayf-Fle, like if Roshad Bateman or Mark Gages get hurt,

Zayflowers doesn't fill that role. So the upside isn't really there with him. Right. And that's the difference is like, Devante Smith is actually like elite when someone else is hurt. So I think we should probably have a separation of there. He felt kind of like the least, he felt out of place in this year. He has no juice. I mean, you could argue he's the sixth option in the red zone. It's like Lamar running the ball, Derek Henry running the ball. You have two good tight ends that can catch touchdowns. Mark Angers, Isaiah likely. Shit, Rashad Bateman caught a lot of touchdowns last year. It's like, yeah. They have DeAnd Hopkins now.

They have DeAnd Hopkins now. Yeah, you know what? Honestly, fuck that. I'm down to move safe flowers down a tier. And then I also have Chris Olavey lower than everyone else just because I just, I just, I don't want any part of the Saints. You can't convince me to have OLAV's injury history with the Saints. Also, give me Rashid like four or five.

I have a lot of out of this tier. He's not in tier. OLAV, the other thing with the Saints, Jalen Hertz quietly is like a kingmaker. The amount of people who've gotten a coaching job because Jalen Hertz won. like enough that they were hired. I'll just say Kellan Moore's respected around. I'm just saying Kellamore was fired, fired, got to do the Eagles offense and just got a head coach job.

And I'm not saying anyone could have done that, but like, going the other way with it, I will say, I think there is some reason to have a little bit of interest in the Saints because they play so fast. You like them. He does. He does. What I'm doing is being contradictory or whatever.

Contrarian. Contrarian. I don't necessarily like. them. However, things I've been hearing lately. Things I've been hearing lately include Kellymour was showing the team clips of the Pacers. You guys can tell me more what that means, but basically the... The basketball team? Yeah, the bottom line is like lots of plays,

like play fast, all that stuff. I think their offenses going in and have his offenses in the past have very frequently been this way. That kind of gives me the ink. Tons of plays. It gives me Hugh Jick. Hitchick, showing them the Indiana Pacers. Oh, that does. You know who I have huge doubts about being able to play fast?

Spencer Rattler. Tyler, Shuck. I have more faith in Spencer Rattler than Chuck, to be honest. That's my issue. I'm just, I'm not, I'm not necessarily like bullish on them for fantasy. I think Rashid Chahed is a good pick, like a four or five rounds later. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that.

But I'm staying away from Alave for the vast majority because, you know, not only is their concussion risk, but just the offense is. Again, that Ohio State group text between Garrett Wilson, McLaurin and... God, dude, seriously. They must be miserable. Okay. The next tier here, we're moving Zayflowers down.

I think that's right. We have... This tier is also large, but I want to start with Roma Dunesay is going very high in drafts. And I just keep thinking, are these guys really a tier below Roma Dunezay? And I was like, no, these guys are the same tier as Roma Dunesay. Zayflowers, Roma Dunez, Runez, Jocobo for Walsh, Dibbo Samuel for Washington, Jerry Judy for the Browns,

Ick, I'm. Jaden Reed for the Packers, Jordan Addison for the Vikings, he's suspended three games and a rookie quarterback, Ricky Parasol for the Niners, Joanne Jennings for the Niners. I moved him up,

back up because his calf injury, he might be holding in. And Milko Abuka for the Bucks, for the Bucca for the Buc, Matthew Golden for the Packers, dakes for the Patriots, Galicia care for the Bills, Darnel Mooney for the Falcons.

I know that's a large tier too, but I keep thinking, is Mike, like Michael Pittman, we've memory to hold this. Michael Pittman a year ago was the 35th pick in drafts. Is he a tier below Roma Dunezay? I'm like, fuck, no.

No. Like, you know what I? You could rank these guys that you want. Even Darnell Mooney with a shoulder injury, Khalil Shakir and the bills. I'm like, these guys are all, you're kind of dart throwing. I think the Niners are the best bets. And it depends on how you feel about Jennings as, uh, his calf, whether his calf injury is. Greg Rosenthal and NFL Daly pointed out that, do you want Kyle Shanhan said that, yeah,

you got to be delicate with those calves kind of implying. Well, maybe John Jennings setback was actually because he wants more money, which I kind of immediately was like, yeah, probably should figure that out. That would make sense. I like Aduonzee. I'm just going to say, I think you're just talking about buying the dip. Buy the dip on a top 10 pick. I don't know. Is it a dip if he's 20 spots above where he went last year?

We're talking about tier five of the receivers. He's very cheap for a top 10 pick, I think. That's true. This is the tier of like start getting the rookies. Start getting your abucas, your Matthew Goldens. I'm considering Ricky Piercehall kind of a rookie. He's probably my favorite pick out of this round. I just think the Niners are.

projected for the third most points in the league. They have the easiest schedule in the league. And even last year with how much of a disaster that season was, it's like, all right, Kettle was the number one tight end. Joanne Jennings even was the wide receiver 30. Ricky Piersall right now is ranked as the wide receiver 42. I mean, Purdy in this offense, when it is humming, is able to keep a lot of guys afloat. 2023, Debo, top 10 wide receiver. Iuk, top 15 wide receiver. Kittle, top five wide receiver. Debo's gone. I yuk's not going to start the season playing. Juan Jennings has a calf injury. Maybe that's fake or whatnot.

Ricky Pearsall has not been healthy for his career. He's healthy right now and he's practicing. And he's going to be the guy on this team for all of training camp. And if we're being 100% honest, people need to see a white receiver's good before they believe it. Just being honest. And I think Ricky Peresol, he's also a weird prospect of Florida because he was old and a transfer.

Because he was there with like Ayyuk. Yeah. And, sorry, Jane Daniels at Arizona State. But I think this is a great call with Peresol. But to your point, he's, easily the best pick. He obviously had a lost rookie season. He was shot, he had all these issues.

He was really posting a big number as late in the season, though. He led the niners in a yard per hour run versus man last year, which again, straight up, how good are you against another player? He was the best on the Niners last year. Peres sold to me as the clear target here. D.K., my question to you, because you said,

you're higher on the bears than me, I can tell, because I'm kind of getting depressed, stressing, depressing, but the bears. That's fine. I'm not saying I'm high on the bears. I'm high on the bears. I think Roland is a highly talented player. But we have DJ.

Moore 45th and we have a Dunezay 69th. Would you rather have a Dunezay 69th or Ditchie Moore 45th? Probably O'Dunzee just because I think yeah, the value there I think is there.

If he ends up being and a lot of people are talking about this and you know it's a stretch probably but like the Amon Raw Saint-Brown role in this offense where you're just getting peppered with targets run after the catch. If O'Donzee sort of is that guy instead of

DJ Moore or Luther Burden or whoever Colson Loveland, then I think he's going to be a massive value. Again, he's a top 10 pick. And he fucking had a knee injury last year. So I think we're forgetting how good he is. And I think sometimes we need to take the horrific rookie seasons and just delete them and be like, this is kind of Caleb and Roma Dunes's rookie season in Chicago. Like this is kind of the rookie year.

I think if I'm looking at this tier, though, there's a couple guys that really like. I'm with you guys on Pearsall. I think that's a great, you know, flyer at this point. Obviously, it's a super value. He could end up being a top 24 wide receiver. I really like Jacoby Myers here. I just think he's the forgotten man. He's a he's a Glansburg.

No one fucking cares about him because he, for his first three years, he didn't score a touchdown or whatever. But I think he's a really good player and they're going to funnel passes to him and Bowers. And this offense is going to be better than you think. I really like Jacoby Myers in this range. And I really like a Mecca,

from Tampa Bay. I just think you can't, you can't open up Twitter, Blue Sky, without five people talking about how fucking awesome Abuka has looked at camp. Reporters, Baker Mayfield,

apparently in an interview just brought him up unprompted. He's like, this guy's awesome. And I think, you know, especially with Godwin's status in the early part of the year

kind of up in the air, it's going to be Evans, Ibuka, and, you know, to a lesser extent, Jalen McMillan. But everything I've heard about him and going back to my evaluation

for him, I really, really liked him. He's just a professional route runner, really good hands, great blocker. You know, everything you hear about him is a great guy and is just going to, you know, impress the coaches and earn their trust. I really like Abuka at this spot too.

And I think Baker's the type of quarterback is going to feed guys that he likes. And I think there's some potential for volume there. Once you get this late in drafts, start taking wide receivers that were drafted in the first round. Hold on to them. Matthew Golden, Abuka. Yeah. Golden, too, is a good one. Yeah.

We talked before the draft that Abuka was a really, really, really rare kind of player where nobody thinks he's going to be ever be at any point the best player of the league. And yet, if you passed 32 scouting departments, which player in this year's draft is most likely to play like 10 years in the league and be a captain and a winner? Everyone would have picked a Bucca. Always a bride. No one thinks he will fail. He's the whole time leading receiver at Ohio State.

But no one thinks he's going to fail. No one's like boring injury. No one's like, yeah, he's not good enough to play in the NFL. Like no one thinks that is the downside. which is a really underrated thing. He's the highest floor receiver prospect that doesn't have an elite ceiling that I can remember kind of coming through the draft.

Usually if you don't have an elite ceiling, people are like, he might not make it. No one thinks Subuka won't make it. So he went in the first round, yeah. So the other one I asked you speaking of receivers in the first round, Matthew Golden for the Packers. I am inadvertently the highest person in fantasy at Matthew Golden, which is not really my plan.

I just kind of ranked him and realized that. How did I end up here, huh? I literally like, I just don't, I didn't realize that I'm just higher on Matt. I think I'm like, yeah, 80th pick, sure. And I kind of looked around thinking it'd be consensus. Some place has got him 120th. And I'm like, what the, like, I don't.

And I guess it's just a function of, I think when yards per route run gets factored from college into models for rookie year, it's kind of like, oh, it wasn't that good. I'm like, I don't think this accounts to the transfer portal. I don't think this accounts that Matthew Golden switched teams and offenses. The other thing I don't think is being counted, everyone's like, well, the Packers rotate their receivers and like, they all play. And like Jane Reed would play. and Christian Watson would play.

And Dantan Wicks would play and Romeo Dubs would play. And I'm like, all right, well, Watson's, I don't think he's going to play in the entire regular season. And then I'm looking around. I'm like, if Matt Lefleur was so happy with his, I have no number one receivers, we're going to rotate everyone. I don't think the Packers would have drafted a receiver in the first round for the first time in 20 years. Like clearly, like, clearly, like. Lefleur's not making the picks, though, to be clear. Yeah, but.

I mean, he might have a, he might have a voice in it. sure but here's I think his large allowed I guess here's my question maybe I'm wrong I think it's an assumption to assume either way I guess I don't we don't know for sure that this was his pick there's doubt no that no that's true I'm not saying it's just his pick I guess my question is do you think the Packers would spend a first run pick

on a wide receiver if they don't think he would play in two receiver sets no I think he will play in two receiver sets yeah well then I think everyone's wrong about what he's being projected for because I think Matthew Golden's the leading receiver for the Green Bay Packers well yeah that's the other thing is The other receiver people like the most on Green Bay is Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed does not play in two-wide receiver sets straight up. Right.

Like he only plays in three-over-receiver sets. So then it's really, it's like Romeo Dobbs. Christian Watson's not playing. And Donatian Wicks. And I think Don Tavian Wicks, like, we kind of know what he is at this point. And Romeo Dobbs is a very solid player. I would say more of a high floor than a high-ceiling guy. Yeah, it's like they picked it.

When's the last time the Packers picked a wide receiver in the first round? 2002. Yeah. I mean, I just, we're overthinking it. I think we're overthinking. This is everyone says for all at the same people who spent 10 years saying in fantasy football for the most underrated asset are receivers drafted in the first round. You have a 50-50 shot of the vastly upper running the draft slot. Green bag with one of the smartest head coaches in the entire NFL takes a receiver for the in the first round for the first time in 20 years.

And then no one wants them because well this guy's numbers are bad. I'm like, I don't give a shit. Nat Lafleur has an idea. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I, yeah, I understand what you're saying. saying and I think it's probably the right move to Zig while everyone else is zagging or whatever and like

just buy by him and believe in it but I'm just again I'm just looking at the Packers distribution of target rates last year no none of the receivers were above 17% no I agree I think that's why he's projecting that's a brutal place to live in fantasy that's what I'm saying I just 16% Dantavian Wicks had the highest target rate among receivers on the team Dontavian Wicks but that's but here's thing that's why

I think Matthew Golden was drafted. I just think they're sick of, they don't have anyone on third down. I mean, I think, yes, to be, to be clear,

I think Matthew Golden will lead the team in, like, receiving, but I'm still worried there's going to be so much other, so many other people

that it's just going to, like, really cap it's dealing. But that being said, he's still good value where he is. I mean, he's going 130th in drafts. I'm not against taking him.

I'm just like, this is why people are worried about the packers. Right now, we have him ranks. Hyvitz and I have him in the late 80s. DKM in the early 100s, but like in Fantasy Pro's rankings, he's 130th.

He is going around guys. So we're above. We're way above. We're way above. I mean, he's going around guys like Christian Kirk and Jerome Ford and Rashad Bateman. Yeah,

Rashad Bateman and Matthew Golden, to me, it's very clear. Like, yeah. I also kind of like Rashad Bateman, actually. I think Rashad Bateman's people for, yeah.

Anyway, so that's the Sierra. I'm out on Bateman. Any other? Well, everyone's out of those ways. You can get Rashad Bateman 150th, honestly, sometimes.

Yeah. So any other thoughts on anyone from this tier? Mooney. Mooney's kind of an interesting one. I'd have Darno Mooney higher if he has the shoulder injury without practicing. I don't know. Mooney is also like a very easy, like he's probably just the single most anonymous receiver

that's actually like totally start up on fantasy football. We'll see what happens with the injury. We need him to come back. Pitman's gross, but I think Pittman's viable. Pittman's a good player. 70 spots is enough to fall. He felt 70 spots.

I think you don't have to punish him. more. Okay. Next tier here. This is where I get really freaked out if I have to play to these people. Right. Right. So my fantasy overall strategy, if you've made it as far into the show, I really would like you to have all of your receivers except one by now. I personally think right around now when you get to like, let's call it, I think five of the top 50 receivers or so. It's a good rule of thumb. Because the next guys, if you have to, if you have to like play these guys in September, I'm a little squirrelly. Chris Godwin for the Bucks, who is ranked here, but really he'll be drafted before because I'm more worried about his injuries and I'm dragging down on rankings.

I think Chris Godwin's not going to be here. Hollywood Brown. I'm higher in him than others, but Cooper Cup for the Seahawks who might be washed. Josh Downs for the Colts where it's just a PPR. Very good player in a Ponzi. He's really questionable offense. Can I just say Josh Downs, I feel like this offseason, it was decided that Josh Downs is like Antonio Brown.

Everybody is like Josh Jones is one of the best rod receivers in the league. He's just on a bad team and doesn't get enough targets. but I didn't realize that, I guess when you look under the hood, Josh Downs is like one of the best players in the NFL. Yeah, he's good, but the same way an indie band, kind of just everyone lacks his on. Yeah, people are glowing about Josh Downs. My sources say Josh Downs, really good player.

Been listen to some shows. Yeah, DK. When I was reading on the internet, my sources. The podcasts I'm listening to, which are free and available for anybody, those, they love Josh Downs. Rashid Shaheed for the Saints, as Dekh mentioned, I'd rather have Rashid and Sheed 10th and Chris Olavet, like 50th. I don't really like that idea.

Brandon Ayuk for the Niners, I mean, we should move him down lower. He's here out of respect, but I don't, Renan I, you can think he's going to start the season. He's like, yeah, man. It already feels like a last season for I UK. Yeah. Keon Coleman for the bills who I actually, Kean Coleman tests my limits of,

I know you should probably bet on second year guys. Like, Dek is probably right about Roman Dunez. I'm being dramatic. Roman Dunds is probably a great pick this year. Kian Coleman test my limits. as a bill of a player that I am I just saw him play and he's not good. Keon Coleman was a project coming to the league. He's still a project.

The idea was Keon Coleman by year three or maybe year four would be an NFL play. Ken Coleman's like not an NFL player right now. And he's an epitome of if he was a fifth round pick, he would be maybe not on the team, but he's a first round pick, so he's going to play. And I don't think it's that bad, but I see what you're saying. I'm fine. He'd be a depth, he wouldn't, he would rotate in at best if he was a fifth round pick.

He wouldn't play. I think he flashed. He flashed last year. He led the bills in Target Share when he played last year. Yeah. I think you're overall correct in this. I don't think you should take him in fantasy. You're kind of being a little bit dramatic on how he's not a bad player.

He can't separate his whole thing. Like he literally has trouble getting open. Yeah. And like the role that he plays in this offense is I think pretty static because there's a lot of people who thought he might be best inside where he can have a little more space, run after to catch, all that stuff. That was like a big part of his. appeal, I think, is just like he's a great athlete, big guy. Or like he's like a long striding. He can run away from people all that.

The money ball like looks great and like we're not selling jeans here. But it's a great. Yeah. They have Dalton Kincaid who they took in the first round and Khalil Shakir, who is an awesome slot receiver. And they're not going to put Keel and Coleman most of the time in the slot and take Kalil Shakir off the field. So to me it just like doesn't feel like Keon Coleman's going to make a huge leap this year.

I could be wrong about that. But also. For the record, I was way higher on a tune's saving King of Coleman. So there's another. And they have a, I mean, the bills also have a 25-year-old juggernaut they acquired this year,

also playing outside receiver for them. Oh, yeah, Josh Palmer. I was like, who's he talking about? Josh Palmer. Yeah. He would come for his lunch.

Yeah, so we have Ken Coleman. Yeah, the fact that I hate him that much, probably just, it also is the most likable player. It's just the ratio of like internet fame to like on-field production for Keon-Colman and Xavier Legat.

It's just like the biggest in the history of the NFL. We do this. So this year, Hyphids, we have to make it official every year. Most of your opinions are very smart and great. But we made the joke. We should have the all Kostanzanz. Well, every year, the thing that Hyphitz is the most passionate about, the thing that Hyphitz starts to take personally is always completely wrong. Josh Jacobs, avoiding Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase last year. But again, like 80% of the things Hyfitt says usually are right. But the number one thing that starts to affect him personally is wrong. We should. You need to like, Hyfitz, I want you to build up to it this year and announce what it is. in an episode. I agree. What do you feel most strongly about that?

What is the thing that has like infected your heart? Baker Mayfield going 70th is preposterous. He's going to be great. Like it's Baker, Baker's going to win the MVP. We should bet on Baker winning the MVP. Because like Baker,

the idea that Baker Mayfield should go like 70 spots out of C.J. Stroud is ridiculous to be. I agree. Like, just objectively wrong. And so he's Baker's going to win MVP. Yeah. Real quick, before we move on from this tier, I heard Nick Underhill,

who does great job covering the Saints talking about Rashid and Chris Olavé and there's like times where he's watching them and he can't tell who's better. Like there's there's days where he thinks Rashidjaheed is like the best receiver on the team. And then there's of course days that Olave does awesome things.

But I just think Rashidjaheed is such a value where he is. He's coming off an injury. But we've seen it in the past. Like he is so efficient, so explosive. He just, he's one of those guys again who was a,

I think undrafted free agent, People just don't really forget that. You just can't really buy that they're actually good until a really long time where they've proven it kind of deal. And so I just think Rashidjee, he's really good. Great call. And so he's a great value there. The other way, we got Christian Kirk, who I keep forgetting is on the Texans. And I just keep forgetting it.

But he, Chris and Kirk's probably a great example of a vet that won't matter that much in the season as a whole. But like, Christian Kirk might just quietly be a top 14 receiver by week five. And you're like, what? But he just is a professional. And Nico Collins is there. Tankdale's like probably not going to play. this season and the other guys in Houston are like rookies and you're like oh Christian Kirk probably the number two to begin this season I don't know jaden

higgins probably takes that role later but yeah Kirk is just boring boring Adam Thielen another bland glainsburg for Houston Jalen McNillan for the bucks Higgins the next and then yeah the next tier any of you guys on the tier I want talking about I just I think taking Higgins is probably a smart move I think I saw that he was playing in their two receiver sets he's like hammering rookie 30 fourth pick in the draft so that's that's where I mean that's kind of that's where like lad McCormackie I'm not saying this year's receiver class was anything like last year's receiver class.

It certainly wasn't. But it's the same discussion we're having where I think people are worried about Houston. Last year we were worried about the chargers running the ball too much, whatever. But Higgins is a highly drafted rookie high second round just like I think Mconki was. And then you're attached to a really good quarterback. That might throw the ball a shit ton. Like the Texans aren't going to be able to run the ball. Right.

Carlos just texted the group and said that my actual strongest take this year with Anthony Richardson being the best by low in the history fantasy football. So Anthony Richardson probably got to retire. So by Daniel Jones. Anthony Richardson, yeah. That'd be ironic. Watch Daniel Jones just start 17 games in the top six quarterback.

No, because that would be being half right. Okay. Next tier. I couldn't even separate these guys. I don't feel like you have to at this point. Romeo dubs for the Packers, Marvin Mims on the Broncos, Trey Harris on the Chargers,

Cedric Tillman for the Browns, Quentin Johnson from the Chargers, Jalen Cochre for the Panthers, Quentin Johnson should be about Tray Heroes, but Coker for the Panthers, Luther Burden on the Bears, Xavier Leagueette for the Panthers. Wondale, Giants, Josh Palmer, Megatron for, you know, Greg. I don't even want to read the rest of these guys. Deontra Hopkins is on the Ravens now, like Jack Bash is a rookie for the Raiders, Pop Douglas for the Patriots, like Kyle Williams for the Patriots,

there's all these guys, like Papyrina and the Broncos. Is there, and Keenan Allen for the Chargers? Yeah. Which maybe we should pop them up to hear them up a bit, yeah. Is there any guy here, we can move Keaton Allen to the tier with Christian Kirk, but Dekh, is there any guys here that pop up to you? Luther Burden, not, again, I'm not, this is like you saying, not purposely doing it. I'm not purposely, like, touting the bears.

The Bears and Saints, those are your teams this year. Yeah, right. Accidental touting. I'm trying to see, I guess Palmer has been getting a lot of good buzz in camp. Hell yeah. You know, I can't ignore it, and especially because Craig loved him. DeMario Douglas, if you're in PPR leagues, It's kind of like the Wondale Robinson vein of assets,

like where he's probably not going to make any big plays, but he's going to catch a lot of passes and get a lot of targets. I think he could be a flex option for you in off weeks or whatever and buy weeks. And let's see here. That's about it, honestly. I don't want any of these guys. Oh, I want Luther Burton very badly. I think that guy's awesome.

I just think if there's any of these guys will become a top 10 wide receiver by the end of the year. I think the only one on those list is Luther Burton. where you're like, holy shit. This guy is immediately one of the most electric players in the league. Craig, did you see what number he is? No, what is it? 87. Whoa.

That's weird. Old school. That's sexy. No, Craig, it's not old. You know what the problem is? The new receivers are so young. They don't remember receivers who were the 80s, so they think they've like, they were inventing it. Like the same way, like, O'Dell Beckman was like the first receiver to go to the teens.

Yeah. And then they all started doing it. They don't remember when all the receivers were 80s. So it's like retro to them. It's like throw. We're going to be honest. Were they growing up when like Des Bryant was wearing 88 though and stuff like that? He was the last one.

Yeah. It makes him look fat and slow. Oh, good. Lower the value. I'm just, I'm just saying 87 is a rough. Fat and slow. You look like a tight end.

No fan. Travis Kelsey's 87, right? That's why you always won. You watch the Bengals. You think Teagan's the tight end because he's the last great receiver who wears 80. Yeah. Travis Kelsey's 87. Yeah.

I love it. That's sick. Luther burden, I just think, is like easily one of those. Luther burden's going to be a problem. It's going to be a burden. It's going to be a problem. It's going to be a burden. He might be more of like a dynasty selection.

He's going to be a burden. He's going to be a burden. Yeah. We even mentioned Derris Slate, which is funny because he probably deserves it. Craig's right. Like, at this point, you should be being like, where is Pukunakua? Like, it doesn't matter if one of these guys are like playable or whatever. It's like there's a lot of playable receivers on a weekly basis, which one of these guys could just.

destroy leagues. Luther Burden's on there. Marvin Mims, if he played more. Marvin Mims per snap is worth, but he doesn't play that much. No. Marvin Mims, I will just say,

I will hoover up Marvin Mims off the waiver wire. I like Martin. A little bit of me likes Pat Bryant. I can see that. A little bit of me like Cedric Tillman here. Do you know, Ted Lassa with the gag reflitz?

He's like, I love that D.K. I just think of when he tries to drink the tea and just spits it off. all over everybody. DK recommending Saints and Bears Saints and Browns

number two out receivers. I love it. We're in tier seven. No, I know. I think it's a mislabel. This is tier eight. Yeah,

but I could have two tier fours. This tier is when like half the draft is like half of your friends have already left and they're on. Yeah, it's all draft. They're just hammered scrambling their phones. This is when like most of your friends are like, I don't know who any of these people are.

Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. You're listening to the show. You're so ahead of everyone just because we just said all these names and most people are like ezekiel elliot gets drafted most of your friends are like zik's still out there we're like reminding you dionjopkins at baltimore i think most people show up to the draft login are like davont is on the rams they're like who is jalen cocker

dude yeah his name's cocker the coke heads i hardly know her okay uh all right uh any other other receiver thoughts before we go to a couple emails any other receiver my thing is just like i think you want as a loose guy not a hard fast rule i think half of your first 10 picks should be receivers You'll probably, don't hard and fast roll, but like, keep that in mind as you're rolling. Because it gets, the cliff is kind of like, yeah, it comes really faster than you, oh, well, fuck. Oh, cut that. God damn it. Fuck.

Normalize it. You just pulled an astronomer CEO there where I think if you just played that cool, it would have been fine. If I said it, it comes faster than you think, you guys would have left on that? I would have thought it and not said anything. I, it reminds you. Yeah. Do you just astronomer? CEO's that thing.

I pulled back so then everyone was like, yeah. If you just kept clown through, yeah. If you just played that cool, you know, act natural. Any other receiver thoughts? Mine's like just take a lot in the first 120 picks and then take one at most after that. I just want to be one of those teams this year that has like two or three fucking awesome wide receivers. That just sounds great.

It's the fantasy version of taking smelling salts, right? Plugging them into your lineup. Well, it's your point. If it's an auction draft, if you can just get two of the top 12 guys and you're like, yeah, if you're literally, if you're a. be like, yeah, I got Jamar Chase. Maybe this is a little unrealistic. But if you just, man, imagine for a second

if you actually got Pooka Nakua, Brian Thomas, and Drake London. Because, you know, if Drake London falls to the third round, if you're like, Ladd-McConkie falls to the third round. You're like, that's, like, Ladd-McConkey could be in your flex. That's a real thing. We didn't talk about Drake London, but real quick, just to add on, Drake London, man.

He could go off this year. I remember we used to make fun of him. He might be the wide receiver one overall. We haven't talked about Drake London, but like, Drake London, man. No, I agree. Drake's on salts. I agree. Michael Pennix might be James Winston 2.0.

Hell yeah. Yeah. Drake London was the wide receiver won when Pennix started. Yeah. I'm in on the Falcons offense. I'm in on Pennix. Okay. You guys want to do a couple emails?

Let's do it out of her. This is from Andrew. A-Bone. Andy. Drewski. Gentlemen. I have a low-stakes conspiracy theory that is insanely specific,

but I'm convinced of. Love these. So he lives near the Turtleback Zoo in Essex County, New Jersey. And the context is it's a really insanely impressive zoo for a local county zoo. They have a lot of really crazy animals. And he says, the turtleback zoo claims

to have a 20-year-old black bear named Jelly. He says, I signed up as a member of this. I know where this is going. He says, I signed up as a member of the zoo. We've never seen him. There's no bear. He's sleeping.

He claims to have a bear. He says, I have unlimited access to the world in my backyard as a member of the zoo because my son loves to see the animals. So we go to the zoo two or three times a month for a couple of years now and tucked away in the back corner of the zoo past the Cheetah and Labrador Retriever Rehibit. Well, yes, Nandi the Cheetah has a therapy dog named Bowie in their restaurant. Labrador Retriever Exhibit? No, the cheetah has a friend who's a Labrador retriever. Oh, I've seen this. The cheetah and the Labrador are best friends.

They just had a bunch of dogs in the zoo, and I was like, what's up? So there's a large wooded enclosure for the black bear with an electrified fence, multiple viewing spots. Not once in three years of going to this visit have we ever seen the bear. That bear ain't real. It's just like your old neighbor that you only see once a year. Wow. They never come out. It's just no matter the time of year.

No matter the time of year, no matter the time of year, no matter the time of year. no matter the time of day. Wizard of Oz. We've got a bear. He says they don't even have a feeding schedule posted like they do for almost all the other animals. I've asked multiple docents at the zoo if they've ever seen gel. Is that people at museums? Is that what they're called?

I don't know. I've never said that word. I've never heard that word in my life. Like a museum like docent? No. Like the volunteers. It's like people retire and they're like, oh, I'm going to volunteer at the zoo. How do you spell that word?

Do C-E-N-T? Like a docent. No, I've never heard that word. No. It's like a museum's happen. I didn't know zoos have dozens. Nope.

Okay. Volunteers at the zoo. Fucking A. No, it's not your fault. Multiple volunteers at the zoo. No, it's not a word. Volunteers. That's better. Employees.

I know what that word means. Sorry. Zoo workers. I didn't write the email. I didn't write this. My low-stakes conspiracies that docent's not a rule. He made that up. He's like Shakespeare.

Slipping in new words. I have a theory about this bear. Continue. The bear died. We'll give you theory now. The bear died. Okay. So multiple employees at the zoo.

They didn't want to get in trouble. The bear definitely died like four years ago and they just don't want to tell anybody. I've asked multiple employees at the zoo if they've ever seen Jelly. The answer is always like, oh, yeah. Or like, ah, he's shy. So he says in May of this year, there was a report that Jelly had actually escaped her enclosure because one of the gates was open. it was reported within five minutes she was found and returned to her enclosure. However, this happened before the park opened.

She never accessed the public area. Yeah, she goes to a different school, though. Exactly. She can't. You don't know. No news articles or press releases about the escape have any photos of the bear. I believe this article is a deep zoo conspiracy to hide the fact that he thinks beloved jelly is no longer with us.

On top of this, in the summer of 2024, there was a bear loose. in the same South Mountain Reservation Park in which the zoo resides. And in June, the police had to kill the bear when it attempted to attack a woman. We can't be getting all kinds of negative press about our escaped bear. No.

Why? A-boat rights, is it possible that Jelly escaped from the zoo? The zoo does not want to be liable for the escape and almost murder of this woman by the bear. So the ruse that the bear still lives at the zoo. This is so good. It goes all the way to the top.

I believe this 100%. This is so good. I believe this at Aaron Rogers' levels. He attached all the news of all. This is nanobots in the vaccine level conspiracy, and I'm 100% in on it. I'm going to post on Blue Sky and I'll put on Instagram story if I'm old enough I can figure out how to put links in Instagram stories. He sent all the links to Jelly Escaping the Zoo.

This guy's got like a map up on his, like a bulletin board at his house with like lines attaching the other ones and he's like putting it all together. There is no zoo. There's no bear at the zoo. There's no way. No way. We got to fucking go to the zoo.

How far away is the zoo from New York? We're going to New York in a couple weeks. Great call. We should contact them and be like, hey, we're going to be in New York in a couple weeks for a live show. Can we see the bear? Send me a picture of the bear with a newspaper of today's bear. Bear proof of life.

I need a new with a magazine of today's date. How long Essex County Turtlebeck Zoo It's not that far. Dude, it's less than an hour. Oh my God, it's an hour. Dude, let's go to this zoo. I want to do this. I need to get a glimpse of these war lasts.

There's no. Yeah, this is unbelievable. If anyone can shed any light on whether this zoo is covering up. If you've seen the bear in the last, what is it, the last two years, How long does he think the bear's been gone? He says he hasn't seen the bear in a couple, two or three years. Come out, you dumb panda. You're making me look stupid.

You big panda jerk. Panda watch. Panda watch. We're going to do a real bear. Really? Panda watch. We're doing it. Okay.

Yeah. That is a really great low-stakes. That's like the best one I've ever heard. That's like, shout out Andrew. Incredible email. They pretend the bear's still there. Yeah. I think

I think that's all we got. Please email us at Ringerfantasy Football at gmail.com. If you have more low stakes and parity theories, they got to be on that level. That's incredible. That's unbelievable. That's the new bar. That's the new bar right there.

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Should we take away the intro music again? Back to you. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Thank you, Blur. Who? Remember Blur? Who?

No. Who's Blur? Woo-hoo. Oh, yeah. That's a one second song. That's a, yeah, wow, that's a real immediate. Oh, yeah. That's the smelling salts of songs.

The song is like a real, it's going. It's kind of a car commercial song. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, someone's like fucking, when they hit the woo-hoo part, they start, They like the car comes down at the side. Craig. Craig.

Craig. Craig. Come on. Come on. Right. Hyundai. We're in a sponsor. What dare you?

I hate Mazda. I love Hyundai. Bleep, bleep the other plate. bleep the name of the other car you said. Come on. I hate. I definitely don't drive a Mazda.

No. I love Hyundai. Bleep all that. Um, I don't. Oh, I was, I felt old.

The first time I truly. felt old was when I recognized the music in like a car commercial for a brand I won't name but they played like Lewis the child. I was like oh I liked this song and I was like oh no I feel like is there a Spotify play this out there for car commercial songs because

that's a very specific brand of song you know what when you hear it you know yeah there's one car commercial I remember very vividly although I don't remember what brand it was but it was probably the 90s and it was was the Bon Jovi version, I think, of, you really got me? Girl.

You really got me? There is a playlist for car commercials. And it's like, it's like Ken and Barbie. And Ken gets into the, like, I think, I don't know what it was. And it's like that old kink song. And it's fucking badass. Oh, I got it right here all day and all the night. Oh, maybe it was.

Dude, there is a public playlist. Oh, maybe it wasn't. He really got me. There's a public playlist on Spotify by Sophia Maria, Songs and Car commercials. Number seven on the list, blur. Yeah. You fucking call it.

It feels like it. There was also. There was a car commercial for, and the song on the commercial was that won by fun, you know? Oh, yeah. So now we are like Subaru. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe it was Subaru and there was like the rally cars or something. But just to be clear, we hate Subaru.

Yeah. No, they're awful. Just bleep out all the fucking. No, no, keep them because we hate them. We love Hyundai. No, Hyundai. It's all by Hyundai. I don't drive a Subaru.

If you're driving to Super right now, get out of the car. Drive to a Hyundai. Yeah. Get a Hyundai instead. Yeah. Hyundai's my sources, they love Hyundai. Yards per route, run, all the underlying metrics are great for Hyundai. Remember when we did a whole podcast on Craig's sources?

Yeah. For the NFL drive? Yeah. You know what? I think I got 29 out of 32. Meanwhile, we get us listening to Craig's mock draft on the Wednesday for the draft. If Craig had entered that in the, there's like an expert contest, Craig literally would have won the fucking thing.

We didn't even enter it. Is that right? Craig would have won. Are you being serious? Didn't you get, you got 29 or 30 for sure of the players? 29 or 30 correct, yes. Yeah, that would have won. I have great sources.

He does. It's all out there. You just got to grab. You just got to grab it, you know. You just got to know where to find it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm out there in the trenches. I'm in the muck, sifting through the garbage, finding the gems.

Digging in crates. Yeah. You know. Palates. Dossens. Fake word. We don't accept that as a word. Goodbye, everyone.