The Ringer NFL Show - WR Tiers and Fears

Episode Date: July 28, 2022

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Please go to fantasyfutball.com, and you can scroll on this episode. So in this episode, we're going to go a couple things. We're going to do our receiver tiers. Tears and fears. And we have some news because Julio Jones signed with the Buccaneers. And then we're going to explain how that, you know, what the hell is.

that means for the Tampa Bay for Tom Brady, Julio, everything. But that also is kind of an impetus. One of my favorite things on the draft guide in our rankings is that it's not just rankings, we have our tiers. So if you select the position, you see our tiers in each position.

We'll get into why that matters. It's really cool and I'm really excited. So you can scroll along with that. But first, we're going to get along with the whole impetus for this episode, which is Julio Jones signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He signed for one year and $6 million, plus incentives.

We'll see how much, I don't know, per game bonuses, but it's basically one year for $6 million. D.K. I don't care about your, like, fancy analysis right now. What was your honest to God first thought when you saw that Julio Jones was signing with the bucks? Ship chasing, baby. He's going for the championship.

It's going to be fun watching Tom Brady throw to Julio Jones. That was my first overall impression. It also muddies the water in terms of who is going to be the, like, top tier receiver in this group. Obviously, I think it's going to be Mike Evans. Then Chris Godwin, by the way, not on the PUP list to start training camp, which is a big deal because that means he's closer

than we think to being healthy. So after thinking for most of this off season that Mike Evans is like the clear cut number one, going to get a massive amount of target share, massive amount of looks, it's a little more muddy. It's a little more confusing, I think, with what's going on in Tampa Bay, fantasy-wise.

I think this sounds hot takey, but Chris Godwin being healthy for the season, and we don't know for a fact he is yet. It's more likely that he will be healthy. But if Chris Godwin were just to play week one, that is probably a bigger deal to me than the buck signing Julio Jones. Yeah. I got to be honest,

I don't think Julio Jones is very good anymore. It's not very fun to say the legendary guy is like bad. But I kind of think not only are his best days behind him, but his second, third, fourth, and fifth best days are probably also behind him as well. I don't think he's falling off that much. I kind of agree with the DK. I think he's just been hurt. And it's kind of been the story of Julio Jones's career.

I feel like he's played through a lot of injuries. in the beginning of his career, he's always, like, knicked up, but plays through it. The last two years, you know, for some reason, in my head, he's been away from Atlanta

longer than he actually has. He only has played one season away from Atlanta. His last season with Atlanta, two years ago, he played nine games, and he was great. He was on pace for,

like, almost 100 catches, like 1,300 yards. Like, he was normal Julio, and then he got hurt. And then last year, and the weird tight... He broke his foot. It wasn't like a hamstring,

right? No, I know. But, like, I'm saying, he was 31 at that time, and he was still playing great. Last year he was hurt again, Tannenhill, the Derek Henry Titans. Like, I actually personally feel like Julio's going to have four awesome games and probably get hurt for half the season. But when he's healthy and playing, I bet you he'll be a great streamer.

Yeah. Well, Dek, I want to ask you how you feel with this because I'm to, I want, like everything Craig just said I want to believe and I want to agree with you. This is what I think about. The bucks just signed Julio Jones for $6 million. The last two teams that Julio Jones played for, the Titans and Falcons, are paying essentially five times that to not have to Julio Jones. Like the Falcons took on, I mean, basically they have like 15 million left or so of dead money to have traded Julio Jones away.

And the Titans over the next two seasons also have like $13 million of dead money they took, which is money they already paid Julio and they're like, actually fine, we're getting ready and we'll just eat the money. So that's almost $30 million. Yeah, but these teams are in different chapters of their life cycles. The bucks are trying to win right now. The Falcons are rebuilding. The Titans are also kind of half rebuilding.

I think they're different. Yeah, I think it's tough because, as I get your point, like, there's quite a few teams here in the NFL that were basically just like, no, we'll go other direction.

We'll go another direction. He was still a free agent into late July for a reason. I think you're right. He has fallen off from his elite peak, of course. But in the right situation, I think he was probably trying to find the perfect situation where he can go out

and win a championship. I think it came down to, I saw a report, it came down to like the Packers. There was like a handful of other, teams involved in terms of like trying to get him to come along come aboard um but packers buccaneers like you're going with a legendary future hall of fame coach or a quarterback in both of those situations um it's just like an easy situation to come in and play and i mean honestly

maybe the difference for hulio was just Tampa bay is like warm and he's not going to have to worry about playing in green bay in the winter kind of maybe that was like just the biggest difference of ma also um i i end of the day i'm not like expecting Julio to go off. I agree with what Craig said basically is like he's probably going to have a couple of big spike weeks. He's probably going to have a couple of games where he gets banged up and he doesn't do anything. I think he's going to be the number three or number four option at best in this offense. I think it's still going to be the Evans and Godwin show for the most part. I don't think he's going to come in and be like what Antonio Brown was when he was healthy

and playing last year. That's like the bottom line for me. Yeah, I just feel like realistically, there's probably no way that I'm going to end up drafting Julio Jones because just the name value of Julio Jones with Tom Brady. I just feel like someone else is always going to be more excited about that in a draft than I will be. And I just, I don't know, it reminds me in like a much,

much lesser way. Sorry, not like Josh Gordon go to the chiefs. Like that is a lesser example of this where, oh my God, Josh Gordon, Patrick Mahomes. He's still there. You don't hear about him.

It's like, oh, that sounded cool. But in reality, it was like, okay, he's kind of like a big goal. I'm not saying Julio Jones.

He's obviously a lot better than Josh Gordon and hasn't had John Gordon's lengthy absence from football. But it reminds. reminds me of like, it just sounds better than it will be. Yeah, probably, probably. I don't know that it's Julio, though, so I'm not completely ruling it out. Better real life signing. Like, if they can keep him healthy to the playoffs, then I think it's a different story.

Yeah, I also just want to say, it's also just funny that Julio Jones signed with the Bucks because he was on Falcon for so long. And I just, so it's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, Leo Jones is exactly 16 career games against the Bucks. So basically, like, a season, right? Mm-hmm. And if his game against, if his career against the Bucks, he has $100.

14 catches, 1,800 plus receiving yards. 1800 plus 11 touchdowns. So it's the most catches against the bucks of any bucks opponent ever and the most yards of any opponent against the bucks ever and the second most touchdowns. That's basically one of the best NFL seasons ever, but he just did it entirely against him. He's only had double digit touchdowns once in his career. Yeah, he has 11 against the apple. I love that.

It's funny to like Tom Brady ripping the soul from the Falcons in that 20 to 3. come back. And if that wasn't enough, four years later, you're bringing Julio Jones to a division rival. It's rough. It's rough for Falcons fans. Like, that to me is the funniest part about this, is like, when Falcons fans saw that, they're probably like, God damn it. Any other fucking team. Well, no, any other division, really. But yeah, that, that too is like sort of just a twist of the knife. It's like if Hodel Beckham just signed with the Cowboys, like, in week nine, except probably a lot worse for the Falcons because Julio's just Julio. He's like, this probably the best player in team history. Yeah, and for what it's worth, we have Julio Jones ranked as our pulling it up right now.

Wide receiver 53. So he's going 11th for us. That's like him the 11th round. He's close to Russell Gage now. Dardthrow. I mean, I've seen, I've seen him higher in some rankings, but I think when we got together, we talked about it. We're just like, I don't know. Especially with the Godwin news, with Godwin's health trending in the right direction. And that's thing. So I think that this affected so many things because between Julio showing up, Gossil Gade's dropping, Chris Godwin going up. We just wanted to basically use this as an excuse to just update our tears. And again, we're going to go through our tears and fears here for receivers.

And again, tears are so important because basically like a little peek behind the curtain here. Our 20th running back and 21st running back are prop. Like we don't really give a shit if you put them in a different order. Like we don't care. Hell, maybe the 21's better than 19. But what we absolutely want to just get right and communicate to everyone is there are groups of players that we feel much better about than the group after them. And this is really the right, like I would argue the best way to draft is basically,

let's be honest, you're a 30 second ticker and it's the clock is counting down and it's like, but, but and you're between a running back and a receiver, you maybe have had three beers and it's like, oh my God, what do I do? You want to be able to look at your tears and say, well, if I'm not picking again for 10 slots, there's like two running backs left that I like, but there's like seven receivers left that I like in this group, and then there's a drop off. You want to know that, and you want to take the running back, because you'll probably be able to get another receiver,

a comparable receiver with the next pick. And it's not rocket science. You just need to be able to look and have a framework for that decision-making in, like five seconds, three beers in. It's just opportunity costs, and sometimes tears can be a pain in the butt. If you're lazy and you don't want to make it, but that's why print out our rankings, you can just have them. Yeah, and you can have our tiers.

So we're doing that so you don't have to. If you want to edit them, you can, but we're going to go through it our tiers and we're going to explain to you our decision making on why the players are in the groups we have them. And we're going to actually up there on the site right now at fancyfutball.3.com. But this conversation right here, we're going to edit them because we have to kind of put these guys in some different buckets. So we're going to just go through our tiers and we're just going to go through our rankings and we're like, all right, here are tears. And it's like a wedding. It's like if anyone wants to object, you can shout. I object.

Starting off at the top, our editor, well, my. editor, you guys also work closely with him. Riley McAtee was very upset that we did not have Cooper Cup, number one. It is a bit spicy. Yeah, we do in fact have Justin Jefferson, number one. I guess we're kind of, we're looking at that and saying what can be, what will they do this year in the offense? He's already talking about how they're like a more modern offense, just Jefferson is. And Cooper Cup, like, I think you just have to expect regression. So that's kind of why we did that, right? As Hyphen says, you skate to where the puck is going. Yeah. Shout out Rich Rebar at Warren Sharpsite for specifically saying that about Justin Jefferson.

And I think he's completely correct. It's just Justin Jefferson's getting the Cooper Cup role. So our tier one is Justin Jefferson, Cooper Cup, and Jamar Chase. I actually don't think Jamar Chase should be in Tier 1. I actually would argue that I think we should move Jamar Chase down. I disagree heartily about this. So let's get into it. Okay.

So, but it's all the same conversation about Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Cooper Cup. Here's how I feel. I think Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson are in their own tier. Like these two, it's really simple. Cooper Cup won the freaking triple crown last year. And Justin Jefferson is going to have the Cooper Cup role because the Vikings are going to steal large portions of the Rams offense this year. And I just feel like those two dudes should be on their island. And it's not insulting to be like relegate Jamar Chase to like, you know, Stefan Diggs, Cedley Lamb, Devante Adams, Mike Evans.

I don't think that's insulting. but I just don't think anyone's in the company of Jefferson and Cup. I don't think it's insulting, but I don't see a big gap between those two guys and Chase. Like if I was sitting there at number four or five and Jamar Chase is there, like I'm trying to figure out who I'm going to take still with whether it's Cup or Jefferson. I think he's that good. I think that they're going to, I think the Bengals are going to pass more. I think the one thing that you're worried about is like the target load for Jamar Chase,

but I could see him having a second year jump, not only in just like overall, effectiveness and skill and talent and all that. But the Bengals, you've got to remember, were a slow, run-heavy team early in the season because they were trying to protect Joe Burroughs knee, essentially, because he was just coming back from that ACL. Like, he was still limping around early in the season. So they were not running the offense that they wanted to run.

I don't think that Joe Burrow wants to run. So, again, this is kind of maybe, I understand where you're coming from, actually, and I don't think it's like egregious or a hot take to say this, but for you to say that he doesn't belong in the, top tier. But if we're skating to where the puck is going, I think Chase deserves to be in this conversation. He deserves to be in the top tier. Hi Fitz, are you a bit nervous about, I feel like ever since you heard Joe Burrow talk about the too high situation and how they're not going to be able to

go deep as much? The second you heard that, I feel like you jumped off the Jamar Chase bandwagon because he had a ridiculous amount of deep touchdowns last year. And that was like the, you know, Cooper Cup and Justin Jefferson are guys who had 100 plus catches last year, way more targets. Chase was not that guy. Chase had 82, 83 catches, cut a lot of deep balls. Is that why? I feel like this is like a therapy session all of a sudden. No, that was just more like Joe Burrough saying what I was myself thinking and I was just nice confirmation.

I think that basically put it this way. Jamar Chase had 13 touchdowns last year. Half of them were from 40 plus yards. That's awesome. And I hate to do the thing where touchdowns are bad. I'm not saying they're bad. It's just like you usually get tackled on that kind of shit. Last year, like how many times that Gerard Chase just weave through six defenders?

That's awesome. But he did it like five times. And I'm just saying if he gets tackled, I don't know, four of those six times, which is normal, then suddenly we have to look at like catches and yards. And Cooper Cup had 170% the catches that Jamar Chase did last year. And I don't know if there's a ton of reason to think that like Jamar Chase can catch. Again, I know we're splitting hairs. This is kind of an annoying conversation.

But again, you're talking about like the first pick of your draft maybe. And I think that it's really this simple. Dekai, if one of your best friends was in the league and texted you, I have like the third pick. So like me, you know, like what are your best friends? Like if I was, yeah, I was doing. Yo, I'm going to take Cooper Cup with the third pick. What do you think?

You'd be like, yeah, good pick. And if your friend's like, yo, I'm going to take like Justin Jefferson with the first pick or so the third pick, what do you think? Like McCaffrey goes off, Taylor goes off. I'm going to take Justin Jeffers. You're like, yeah, great. And if then someone was like, yeah, I'm going to take Jamar Chase with his third pick.

You'd be like, yeah, cool? Or would you like, eh, I'd probably go Jefferson or cup. I really honestly lean like go for it like it's a little bit okay not right in line with what I guess like every ADP would say or whatever but I still don't think it's like egregious I do think look you talk about how he scored a lot of his point a lot of his touchdowns last year on big plays but that's exactly who was in college and but guess what that's exactly who borough was in college like this this isn't going to go away I don't think because defenses start playing them different there it is a high

variance play but that's who he is like he is a big play creator that's what he did in college. That's what he did as a rookie. And I think that's what he's going to do maybe even more in his sophomore year in the NFL. So I don't know. I just like, I'm betting on the upside there. I'm betting on the talent. Can I be clear about something like non- fantasy wise? Can I be clear? I hate myself for talking about this. Because George Chase is the most fun player. I'm just saying what I don't, what tier one receiver to me is like you can take them with the second pick this year. That's what it means. I look at Jamar Chase and I'm like, yeah, I think of Jamar Chase as a talks up with Stefan Diggs, Cideland, Devante.

And I'm like, ah, there's somebody good running backs. I'm closer to taking Jamar Chase 12th, than I am second. But again, we're splitting hairs, but we genuinely disagree, which is interesting. I think, you know what? I really, and this is maybe stupid, but, like, I really think the answer is Jamar Chase's his own tier. Well, funny you say that because... Oh, my God, how we're making it complicated.

Well, I like, I like Hypat's argument. And I think Jamar Chase, in my mind, is clearly, like, the third person of the tier with Cup and Jefferson. However, when you look at the next tier below him, at least our tiers, it includes, it goes Stefan Digg, C.D. Lamb, Devante Adams, Mike Evans, Debo Samuel and Tyree Kill and Tyree Kill and Debo Samuel. So that's, I more, I more want to keep Jamar Chase in the first tier because I don't like him in the second tier. All right, well, I'm outvoted. This is what's nice about having three people is I just got outvoted. So it's fine. All right, we discussed it. That's okay.

All right, Jamar, so you're telling me that you would, like, in your mind, if you were best friend was drafting and he was like, I'm either going to take Jamar Chase or Tyreek Hill, you'd be like either way, same thing. Doesn't matter. No, but you're picking the last guy in the tier. But if it's like Jamar Chase or Diggs, yeah, I actually do feel that way by Jimar Dries. I don't disagree with that. But I think Debo and Hill, I don't agree that you should swap them with Chase. The interesting person to compare Chase to is honestly Mike Evans to me. because the problem is Devante and Tyreek's flipped teams and Debo has a weird contract thing. It's really Mike Evans is also that mix of like really talented, you know, big play, can score tons of touchdowns.

And I'm curious with the Julio Jones news of signing or actually more importantly to me, the idea of Chris Godwin potentially being healthier on an earlier timeline than we think, did you guys consider moving Mike Evans down? Not in a tier. He's still in this group with Stefan DeVeux, Lehm, DeVote, Tyree, Kil, Mike Evans. but did you consider moving him down your rankings when you heard this? Because I moved him down just below Devante Adams, just because Mike Evans with and without Chris Godwin, there's way more opportunity when Godwin's not there. Yes.

I think the opportunity to get targets, and it's just like his target rate was actually not really that high last year, and I think that was why it kind of held him back a little bit. And then coming into the year when the assumption was that Chris Godwin wasn't going to play for maybe five or six weeks, and then, of course, Julio wasn't there. it was going to be all Evans. So that was what was really what was pushing up.

So yeah, we did move them down a little bit, I believe. And getting back to the tiers thing, so what are we going to decide here? So I think, are we going to take, I think if we really want to do this right, we got to take Jamar Chase out of tier one and then create a new tier two with Chase. And then would you throw Diggs and Lamb in there? Like, who else is in that second tier? I would throw Chase, Diggs, Lamb. And Devante?

And I might say. So really what we're saying here is that Jefferson and Cucson. up tier one is like the top half of the first round. Yeah, like top four picks. These are other, these are like later first round picks. So we're basically saying Chase digs Devante.

And is, I would say Chase digs lamb devante. Maybe. That makes sense because basically if you're in a 12 team league, you could take these dudes in the first, and at the back of the first round, like toward the second half of the first round. And you're like,

okay, cool, good pick. But you're probably not taking Mike Evans like 10th. And I see what you're saying here. Not anymore. Yeah. Not anymore. Okay. I actually like that.

Evans is a guy who is so heavily reliant on touchdowns. And, like, he's not going to, I mean, the last two seasons, he basically has like 70 catches a year and 1,000 yards a year, which is pretty pedestrian. He just had 13 and 14 touchdowns. And adding in Julio, Godwin is healthy now. Godwin had 98 catches last year. Like, if anything, if God wouldn't have gotten hurt,

he would be probably higher ranked than Mike Evans. Don't you guys think? Yes, kind of. But I think this is a good compromise here. So we're doing Tier 1, which is basically top half of round one, Justin Jefferson Cooper Cup, Tier 2, which is like the bottom half of round two, of round one, Jamar Chase, Stefan Diggs, Cidieland, Devante Adams. Okay. Does, does Adams belong here? Just throwing it out there. I got to tell you something. I have

increasingly been wondering what, like, part of me wants to do a set of rankings of what I, like, if I were not a coward rankings. And part of me is, let's just, if I were to make the rankings that I never shared with anyone in the world and like I was just not being a little bitch, I would drop Devante Adams like 20 spots and be like he's losing. He's going from Aaron Rogers to Derek Carr. And instead of Devante being surrounded by Alan Lazzard and freaking like old Randall Cobb because Rogers begged to have him back and MVS and all these like pretty not talented guys in Green Bay where he's getting 190 targets. He's going to the Raiders.

There's variables involved. Whereas in the past it was automatic. It was Rogers. Rogers gave Aaron Devante Adams 180 targets. And then the next year was like, that wasn't enough. we got to get him more. And it was like, the idea that he's just this automatic guy again,

you're paying such a premium to get Devante Adams with like the variables of Josh McDaniels, variables of Derek Carr, variables to how they split stuff with Waller and Renfro. And part of him is like, are we just ranking him here because of the name and we're just kind of ignoring all the things that could go wrong? Yeah.

I also think, by the way, just aesthetically maybe, like Devante Adams just fits more with Evans, Debo, and Tyreek for some reason. Like, because there's question, there's like at least one question mark with each of these guys. Debo coming off of his massive season, but what's his role?

He's still kind of like half holding out. He doesn't have a new contract. Tyreekill changed teams. Mike Evans, there's a question mark about the target rate and all that. I think what we're talking about here is reliability and stability, and that's what you want in the first round. And trajectory.

Yes. Well, as Matthew Barry always said, right, you can't win your league in the first round, but you can lose it. To me, Diggs, Lamb, Chase, Cup, Jefferson, you know exactly what you're getting. You don't have to prognosticate. C.D. is a little projected.

We're assuming he can be like amazing. Yeah, but we've seen him in the offense with the quarterback. Adams Debo, I guess Debo's, you know, maybe he's closer. Kind of an odd man out there, yeah. I don't know. Adams Debo and Tyree Kill to me, there's so much more up for chance that that's why I think they should be in their own mini tier. All right.

I feel better about this already. I feel better about this already. I already like this more than what we originally had. So tier three, which basically we're going to call good round two picks, is Devante Adams, Mike Adams, Debo Samuel, Tyree Kill. Yeah, they're all like star vets who have either changed teams or are getting a little bit older or the situation's tweaked a little bit. Debo's got a quarterback change. Right. I mean, that's also a big deal.

Yeah, it is, especially like they're nothing in common with the previous quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. Football is right around the corner and Fandle's Sportsbook is here to help you make every moment more because right now. because right now new customers can get a no sweat first bet up to $1,000. Just sign up using the promo code, Ringer Fantasy. Place your first bet, and Fandle will give you up to $1,000 back in free bets if you don't win. I love the season-long profits on Fian duel, but mostly I love the divisional odds.

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Tier three, you've got A.J. Brown for the Eagles, T. Higgins on the Bengals, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams from the Chargers, D.G. Moore from the Panthers, Michael Pittman Jr. for the Cults, Marquis Brown from the Cardinals, Terry McLaurin for Washington, Deonti Johnson for Pittsburgh, Cortland Sutton for Denver, and then D.K. Metcalfe for Seattle. That's one giant tier. There's a lot to unpack here. But did we basically describe this as number ones in like not great situations and number two's in really good situations. Is that basically like you've got DJ Moore and like Terry McLaurin, good receivers with

bad situations and then like T. Higgins who's like the number two for Burrow. And it's like a mishmash of both of them. I'm trying to see, I'm trying to figure out in my mind if there should be a tear break somewhere in the middle of this. I don't, is anyone actually going to take Marquis Brown over A.J. Brown? No. Unless they're just like a lunatic like me. We have to have a tear break somewhere.

I don't think anyone's taking Deontay Johnson over T. Higgins or E. No. Is anyone going to take Pitman maybe over AJ Brown? Maybe someone is super bullish on him. I would take Pittman over AJ Brown potentially. I'm not into AJ Brown. I'm going to go backward for a second. But is D. But like, are you, Tyree Kill, who is another guy that we're kind of just assuming will be fine. But it's like, it's like a Tyree kill is a one of one player who is with another one of one of one player with Mahomes, who's in a one of four caliber offensive coordinator with Andy Reed. And I'm like, we're removing him into a completely unknown situation with. Miami. We don't know their offense. We don't know the quarterback. Well, the quarterback who was objectively bad last year. Yeah. And part of him he's like, haven't you heard the quotes? Tyree Kill said.

He's the best most accurate quarterback in the NFL. Tyree kills push into podcasting and commitment of promoting his podcast mildly concerning. So is there a world or Tyree kill? No, just like. Draymond just won the ship doing that. Yeah. Is there a world where Tyree Kill, A.J. Brown, T. Higgins should be either

bumped up into that other tier or like they're, I mean, I weren't doing a shitload of tiers when I'm losing. No, no, no, I don't actually mind if there's a few extra tiers here, but I do think, I think after Pittman, so we've got A.J. Brown, T. Higgins, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, DJ Moore, Michael Pittman. I think that's a tier. After that, you've got Marquis Brown. Say those names again? So it would be A.J. Brown is our 10th receiver. T. Higgins, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, DJ Moore, and Michael Pittman. I think those are a clear tier above, like, the Marquise Browns, Terry McLearns, Dei, Deontes, Deontes. Johnson. Those guys have so many more questions than the guys in the tier above them. Plus, I just really don't think anyone's going to take, I don't think anyone's going to take like the Terry McLaurans of the world over T. Higgins, Keenan Allen, A.J. Brown. No. I think you're right. But can I ask you a question in a say space between just the three

of us and thousands of our friends? Are we just fucking morons for putting Mike Williams in the same group as A.J. Brown and T. Higgins? Or is that like really smart? No, it's not. No, I don't think it's stupid. I think what I was going to say is, I think Keenan Allen, you guys know my thoughts on him. Like, I think straight up, I think I would just take Keenan Allen over Tyreek Hill. It's the passing of the torch. So we're, so this, oh my God. So this new tier is.

Wait, you take Keenan Allen over Tyreek? I think, yeah. Are we putting Tyreek, so we're dropping Tyreek Hill out of the good round two picks? We have no idea what they're going to do. Tyree Kill was in the most ideal scenario of all time. You know why? I completely agree. He's the fastest guy in the world and he had the guy with the biggest arm who could

throw from anywhere. With Andy Reed. I agree. And so. And Travis Kelsey. And also I kind of think they're a run first team. Like they're not just going to be popping them screens all. They will be.

Because the highest paid receiver, they're going to get a ball. All right, wait. So I think there's a big, there's a way to zoom out here. I think one of the reasons we're trying to be like risk averse with some of these guys, is there's so many good running backs in the top 30. Like there are so many quality running backs. And I don't really feel comfortable like Tyra kills like a quote unquote good round two pick because it's like the guys you have to pass up Sequin to get there.

You might have to pass on DeAndiucho Swift. Like Alvin Camer. you might have to pass on, I mean, Aaron Jones, who might lead the Green Bay in receiving the season. Like, there's really high quality running backs to pass to take these other big question mark guys. When there's so many other good receivers behind them, I think it makes sense to basically push Tyreek into this group

with AJ Brown-Higgins, Allen. I mean, did you see what Tyreek did with Alex Smith? I don't know. I kind of like Tyreek in Tier 3. Devo Samuel has the same question marks. He does. Okay. Let's not overthink.

it. I'm taking Tyreek over A.J. Brown. Let's, let's, all right. I'm taking Tyreek over A.J. Brown for sure. And T.J. Brown. Should we be bumping A.J. Brown into the other into the, no, you know what? We can revisit this later. Let's see how Dolphins training kit goes. It's a little rash. But I agree with, D.K.F. If anyone can stick with this so far, well, hopefully update them, fancy football.com. Our tier three is Devante, Mike Evans, Debo, Tyreeke. And then tier four now is A. J. Brown, T. T. Higgins, Keenan, Allen, Mike Williams, DJ, Moore, Michael Pittman. This is already setting up to be one of the situations. You know how there is always one tier that you like more than a tier above it?

Like, I just like the AJ Brown to Michael Pittman tier more than the Devante Adams, Tyree Kilt tier. Because literally that tier is named brand. It's like better value, right? But tier three is just like famous people. It's Devonthe's famous. Mike Evans is, well, I mean, kind of famous, but 1,000 yards, six years from row. Debo's famous. Now, Tyree Kill is famous.

And then tier four is like extremely unfamous people. I mean, A.G. Brown, Cher T. Higgins is not. Keenan Allen's not, Mike Williams, not, DJ Moore, Michael Pittman. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just the famous discount. I think you're right there, D.K. Tier 5, Marquis Brown, Terry McLaurin, Deontay Johnson, Cortland Sutton, D.K. Metcalf.

It's number ones in weird situations or new places. This is almost a perfect tier. How is DJ Moore not in this tier, though? I want to take him out of the other one and put him in this one. I agree. DJ Moore, I do not, like Michael Pittman. I look at Michael Pittman this year and I'm like, has he been? a top 10, top 12 receiver yet?

Not really. But I'm like pretty confident he will do that this year. I don't feel that way about, I don't feel that confidence in DJ more, probably, but the Panthers, the Baker, there's like, I'm way more confident Matt Ryan and Indy

than Baker in Carolina. It pains me to say it, but man, you might be right, yeah. I mean, Michael Pittman was the wide receiver 15 last year, guys. No,

the person's good and Matt Ryan is going to be so much better than whence. It's unbelievable. Honestly, there's a whole galaxy brand we should do that Jonathan Taylor should not be the running back one, honestly.

I think we're overreacting. Save that for the take, bridge. Yeah. DJ, all right, so tier, all right, so we took DJ Moore out. So tier five is now DJ Moore for the Panthers, Marquis Brown for the Cardinals, McLaurin for Washington, Deonti Johnson, the Steelers, Corton Sutton for Denver,

D.K. Metcalfe for Seattle. You know those, you know those like punnet squares? That was like a meme for a while where it was like chaotic good, neutral good, lawful good. It was like chaotic evil. This tier to me is like chaotic good. It's like, I think I like all these players.

I know they're talented, but they're in such chaotic, scary situations. Deonti Johnson with Trubisky, like McCorin with Carson Wentz. I don't know what the fuck. Marquis Brown with Kyler and that weird offense. DJ Moores with Baker, D.K. Metcalfe for Christ's sake is with, I guess, Gino's Nick. It's DK. Metcalfe.

This is good. Honestly, we should all our tiers should be one of them. You know how Spotify does like the color of your mood or vibe or whatever for your different, like, listening habits? Like what color is the, this, this is like the bright pink zone because it's just like, ah, like I don't even know what to think about this. It's like some neon color. That's pretty funny.

This is really funny. Yeah, this is like we're in the upside down. It's like, I know all these guys are good, but man, do their situations scare me? Okay. Yeah, yeah. Let's do the next one here. Tier six. Jalen Waddle for the Dolphins, Alan Robinson, who's on the Rams now, Adam Thielen on the Vikings,

Brandon Cooks on Houston, Jerry Judy for Denver, Chris Godwin for the Bucks, who we moved up to this spot because he is practicing to some degree. Gabe Davis for the Bills, Amon Ross St. Brown for the Lions, Amory Cooper for the Browns, Darnell Mooney for the Bears,

Michael Thomas for the Saints, Rashad Bateman for the Ravens, Drake London for the Falcons, Christian Kirk for the Jags, Elijah Moore for the Jets. This is just all the good receivers we like and we just dumped them in one spot. This is a massive tier.

Again, do we need to split this tier up? because so I'm just looking at the second half this tier. Is anybody, there's no one on earth that's going to take darn out Mooney over guys like Adam Thielen, Alan Robinson, right? Well, let's talk Chris Godwin, because Chris Godwin's back at practice, and I think now he's the guy that is like going to move and shake this tier. Here's the thing with the PUP. When you're put, it's the physically unable to perform list.

When you're on that in the regular season, you're out for a minimum of four weeks. It's like you're, it's like the injured, it's like injured reserve almost, but like miniature. When you're physically unable to perform in training camp, it's not like that at all. It's no commitment. It's like you can literally come off at any time. But what it means is Godwin's doing stuff on the field. Literally, if he's on PUP,

Chris Godwin's like not allowed to like do any kind. I believe I could be wrong, D.K., but I'm pretty sure Godwin's not allowed to do like any kind of like physical running. Even if they wanted him to jog around the field and not participate, he has to be off the PUP to do that. Right. So. I think.

I think that's true. I'm trying to just, I'm not trying to be like, it's bad that he's off PUP, but I do want to manage the expectations that like, just because Chris Godd was, it's quote, practicing, that doesn't mean he's actually running routes yet. He's not in stuff. However, if he's going to play in week one or two, you want him to not be on the PUP at all. I don't know. The way that I look at this is, you know, I get what you're saying. The way that I look at it, though, is like the Bucks could have easily put him on PUP. He could be on there for a few days. It doesn't matter. Like, the fact that they didn't put him on there means he's close. Like, it means he's close to being back. It means he can be out there. He can be running routes. He can be doing all the stuff.

Maybe off to the side. Maybe he's not in there, like, actually in the seven-on-seven or 11-on-11 or whatever. But he's good enough to go, which means I think he's going to be really close to being ready week one. Now, he's not going to be the old Chris Godwin probably right away early in the season that we've seen for years. And that's why we don't have him as, like, a projected top-troll receiver, which you probably should be. he was fully healthy. This is why he's in this tier. But I think overall, the fact that he was not put on the POP list is a massively good sign.

It means he's going to be pretty damn close to being ready for week one, if not like maybe a week two or week three situation where he's just kind of like slowly getting up to speed. But overall, really good, really good sign for Godwin. So that's why I moved him up a bunch. And that's why I think he does deserve to be in this tier. If I'm looking at this tier, though, like I think after Gabe Dave, that's where the tier is. That's where there's a tear break.

Wait, let's stick on Godwin for a second. Why is Godwin not higher? I don't think he should be in tier six. I think he should be in tier five. He's still coming back from the ACL. The reality is it's still July 27th. Like, I kind of just want to, I don't know, I'm torn. Like, we literally are joking that we love the post, the year removed from the year removed from the ACL guys.

Like, like, or just injuries, like, Sequin in the year back. Rushing back, like, just because you're back after nine months doesn't mean everyone's Adrian Peterson. Like, I don't know. I feel like there's been a recent. string of we went from ACLs or bad to actually everyone can come back from ACLs to now we expect everyone to just be themselves immediately. And in reality, it just seems to kind of take a year for a bunch of guys. And I'm kind of torn like expecting Chris Godwin to be just as good immediately again. That's why, to me, that's why he's in this tier. Yeah, but I don't think putting him in tier five

with Deonti Johnson and Marquis Brown is expecting him to be old Chris Godwin again. If he was old Chris Godwin, he'd be like next to Tyree Kill in tier three. Yeah. I agree. If he's playing week one, you're telling me he's in the tier with Gabriel Davis? No, but we don't know he's playing in week one yet. That's the thing. What's tough about this is it's July 28th and people are listening to this.

So I guess if you have a draft now, maybe perhaps keep him in this tier because we don't know yet. But if he continues, you just have to follow the reports. Because if he continues to practice and he starts actually getting reps and it looks like he's going to play week one, then he's going to immediately shoot up to like tier three or four. Yeah. I think, yeah. I think we're baking it. At least I'm baking in a little bit of risk, number one,

potentially not playing in week one or two as the second part. And then thirdly, like, just performance downgrade, just slightly based on what we normally see from him. I still think he's going to get enough volume to be really fantasy relevant. But Craig, and we've talked about this all off season, like the guys that come back, the first few games, maybe the first whole season they're back from an ACL, like they just don't look like themselves.

You're not starting Chris Godwit and his first game back from the ACL, probably. And honestly, it's kind of that way until... I'm just being honest. Like, it just... You're probably going to wait a couple weeks to actually plug them in and be confident about it. We'll see.

He's probably going to go up. He'll probably jump a few tears. If the books are like, he's going to have no limitations in the field and he's playing 100% of the snaps, I would start in week one. There's another very similar person

on this conversation, which is Michael Thomas, who's also in this thing. Part of me is like, if there's a person sitting on this entire list, this entire podcast we're talking about, that someone's just staring

in the face and like, you're fucking wrong. How do you not notice? It's Michael Thomas. Michael Thomas, like, it's bizarre. He hurt his ankle in 2020 and then somehow, like, hasn't really truly been back in football to, like, right now.

And it doesn't really make sense how that's possible, but here we are. But now that we're here, I'm not saying he's going to, look, the 150 catches or 149 break, like, you know, breaking the catch record, Drew Breeze. Like, James Winston's not true brief. He's not going to be the number one receiving fantasy again. but like holy, I kind of do think the Saints will actually pass more without Sean Payton. And I don't know.

If Michael Thomas is fully back, like should we be putting him up like 20 spots now that some of this ambiguity of this ankle injury is kind of past us? He's one of the most interesting people in this draft, in my opinion. The 149 catches year is like the famous year, and I almost kind of thought,

not that he was a one-hit wonder, but that he was like above average and then had that crazy year and then that was it. But man, if you look at my first, Michael Thomas, like, he hit the ground running in his NFL career. His rookie season, he had 92 catches, 1100 yards, nine touchdowns. And he only played 15 games. He basically has had 100 catches every single year he's been healthy. Like you said, Hive, it's about the Saints throwing more. I mean, the last like five years of the Breeze era, they kind of ran the ball a lot more

than you think. They were pretty like run-balanced offense because they had the Mark Ingram and Alvin Camara. And their receiving corps has actually never been super stacked other than Michael Thomas. It's been pretty shallow. This year with Jarvis Landry, first rounder Chris Oliva, who they traded up for, and Michael Thomas, this is probably the best receiving core the Saints have had in like five years. And James Winston, in the seven or eight games he played last year before he went down, actually looked pretty good. He wasn't, you know, they didn't ask him to do a lot because it was once again like a very run, heavy offense. But James is like a good deep ball thrower. He can air it out. It's a misnomer that Michael

Thomas is only like a slant guy. Like he's actually a very capable like deep route wide receiver. Alave's Great Deep. I'm kind of bullish, I think, on the Saints' offense in general. And if Michael Thomas, he's going into year 20, this is his 29-year-old season, I think he could be the steal of the draft if he's getting, if he sticks in this tier that we have him now. I think the tier should be Jalen Waddle, Alan Robinson, Adam Thielen, Brandon Cook, Jerry Judy, Chris Godwin, Gabe, Dave. And I think we should have a Monra.

I kind of think we have a Monra in there. And I think we need Michael Thomas in there. And then it's up to you guys if, like, Darnel Amuni and I'm a Marloni and a Mara. Cory Cooper there. Rashad Bateman's also tough because then we have like a bunch of rookies. And the rookies shouldn't get in. The rookies like the first and second year guys should probably be their own tier. Yeah, I agree with you.

I think I'm on Ra and Mike Thomas. I think for me, Michael Thomas is just going to be a guy that I'll let other people take. You want none of him? See, I think I'm actually going to take a shot. I think you're absolutely right though. Like he has the opportunity to be one of the best values in fantasy. But like, I don't know, man. Just what about him?

shouldn't we putting Godwin and Thomas in their own isn't that like the answer we just kind of came to is like Godwin and Thomas should just be in their own tier and then when they're healthy enough would you put in a little out of it. I don't know but like Thomas is different though like Thomas has been gone for like two fucking years like what about you thinks what about this guy

makes you think he makes you think he's even remotely reliable like what if he gets what if he tweaks his ankle he's just like I'm good for the year again isn't that where the discount's coming from? I know that's why it's baked in but like it's baked in. You seem like a scorned lover. I don't know look. I've not been scoring lover.

He was abandoned. The guy hasn't played in two years. Like, why would you trust him now? He's played with a new quarterback. New offense and surgery. Like, he mistined the surgery from the ankle. It wasn't like he didn't. Yeah, but there was all these rumors.

There was all these things like he was disagreeing with the team. Like at one point, didn't he like demand a trader? He wanted a trade. There's like all this shit, man. I'm like, I want nothing to do with this at all. I'll let other people take him. Yeah, he hurt his ankle and then he tried to come back. he heard it more and then he opted to not have surgery and then that didn't work so then he had

to have late surgery, which is why he missed last season. I get what you're saying, but are we about to put Michael Thomas in a lower tier than Brandon Cooks? We cannot do that. That's insane. Like, I'm not taking Darnell Mooney over Michael Thomas. Yeah. Well, me neither, but like, yeah. We're not taking Cooper or we're not, we're not taking a more of Cooper. I think this is the tier. I think that I think we're in, I think this is the right tier. But I'm just saying for Michael Thomas, like, you know, at this point in his career, like I'm, I'm the Jerry Seinfeld putting his hands up in the theater. Ah, I'm done.

I'm done. I'm here for the Saints' offense this year. I think the Saints have a weird long shot to beat the Bucks and win the NFC South. I'm kind of here for this James. Put him in the chaotic good section then, because... I think we need to rank James, by the way, in our... We don't have Jameses ranked in our quarterbacks. I think he should be in the top 20.

I think that's fair. Who are you pulling out of the top 20? Because there's nothing more annoying than people seeing top... Ryan Tannahill. You could discuss that. Jamesman. Edmunds thrown for 5,000 yards once. Yeah, well, with Brady's coach,

and then Brady started throwing for 5,000 yards. This is a good peek behind the curtain in terms of like how we make our rankings because like the three of us don't fucking agree on hardly anything. It's like all across the right. Yeah, it's like calling strikes from the like the upper deck and everyone's drunk. Tier 7.

So we're going on Mari Cooper, Darnel Moody, Rashad Bateman. Drake London for the rookie from the Falcons Christian Kirk for the Jaguars Elijah Moore from the Jets The caveat is if

Deshawn Watson plays 17 games this year strictly on the field stuff only Amari Cooper will be put much higher Right Should we be putting like Devante Smith and Juju in this tier? Yes I'm up I think so

I'm cool with that Yeah Yeah Devante Smith by the way It just feels like a sleeper this year I feel like there's way too big of a gap between the expectations of A.J. Brown and DeMonte Smith. I understand what A.J. Brown's awesome. I'm not even contesting that or questioning that. But I think

Devante Smith is really good. The question, of course, is just volume. But if they end up being, if the Eagles end up being a lot past heavier, then we think they're going to be based on how they finished off last season. Like, DeMonte Smith has the potential to absolutely go bonkers. So I don't know. I just like really like DeVante Smith this year as a sleeper. It's funny. I feel indifferent about Devante Smith. I also do. It's hard to get excited about the Eagles. I understand that.

Jalen Hertz is like the pivot point for so many different, like, there's no team that seems to have a wider variance in what could happen based on how one player plays rather than Jalen Hertz, more than any quarterback. It's crazy. And I keep coming back to like, I want it. Like watching him play, I'm like, he is the calmest quarterback I have ever seen at any level. And yet, I don't think he's great. and it's it's I hate it I don't know it's it's tough yeah do you really see Jalen Hertz

supporting two 1,000 yard receivers I don't that's I keep coming back to it it's more like one of those things that if it doesn't happen and he's not good you'll feel really stupid for the hope it's not that he can't it's just you know based on what you've seen you kind of it's a little bit wishcasting all right tier eight we've got hunter renfro for the raiders tyler locket for the seacocks trail on berks for the titans cadarious tony for the giants chase cleopal for the Steelers. DeAndre Hopkins for the Cardinals, who suspended six games, RELCVie higher up. Chris Olavet for the Saints, Brandon of Yuk for the 49ers, Alan Azar for the Packers, Robert Woods for the Titans, Garrett Wilson for the Jets,

Tyler Boyd for the Bengals, Kenny Gallaudet for the Giants. This tier is basically first round receivers from this year, really young athletic second year receivers, and then like veterans that we kind of are like, all right, like Alan Azard and Gallagher. Where do we put these guys? Yeah. Like Tyler Lockheed, what the fuck do we do with this? I got to think Robert Woods should probably not be in this tier. Like, we should probably just end it after Luzard. There's people that are going to be taking Woods over Trailing Berks, though. You know what I mean?

We have Trailing Berks in this tier. I don't know. I think it's going to be interesting. But we're choosing to kind of not put too much. I don't know. I guess we actually have stark disagreement on Trelin Burks. But overall, this is basically like veterans we don't know what to do with, like Hunter Renfro with Devante Adams in town, Kenny Galladay being terrible, but we think there's

upside. makes it just insane upside guys. I actually think this tier is probably fine. Yeah, looking down at the next tier, is there anybody in tier tier, what is it? Nine, who we think should be in tier eight, hyphids go through it. So, yeah, so tier nine here is Skymore,

who's the rookie receiver for the Chiefs, Russell Gage, who actually was on a sleeper episode for the bucks. We had to cut him because Willie Jones got signed and Chris Godwin was fine immediately after recorded. So Skymore, Russell Gage, Julio Jones we have here. I hate that. Tim Patrick, for the Broncos,

Jacob Myers, for the Patriots, Devonty Parker for the Patriots. We put guys next to each other when we have no idea what's going to happen. Michael Gallup for the Cowboys, Rob Dillmore for the Cardinals, Marquez Valdez, Scanling for the Chiefs, Nico Colum's for the Texans, DJ Chark for the Lions, I almost said Jaguars, and Jarvis Landry for the Saints. And to be clear, like, we're talking 100, like, this is 10th round and above.

Yeah, we're outside the top 100 at this point. We're into the later rounds. Honestly, like at this point, I feel like you could just make Tier 9 be the rest of the receivers. You know what I mean? you could convince me to take one of like 20 guys at the spot at around like 110, 120. Well, that's fine because if we do actually just nine tiers, then what Craig said about all the tiers being like a chaotic neutral or a true neutral, we would just, that's nine.

It's a three by three meme. We just do nine tiers. True. I mean, I'm fine with that. Like, I think you could make an argument to take any of these other guys in tier 10 over some of the tier nine guys. Like, it just depends on what you think is going to happen if you're going for upside versus safe floor.

You know, maybe that's actually the better argument later. in the draft is to go for the upside. But where are you taking Julio in this? I don't, I'm probably not taking Julio. That's kind of like where I am with it. I'm just probably not going to be taking much Julio. So that's the thing is like, I don't know. It's crazy because like.

Maybe in baseball. Marquez Veldez Scantling. I'm like, all right, maybe I take Julio. But the other guys, I'm like, I mean, Jacoby Myers, number one for the Patriots. You can just get him. Parker, I think Myers is a better pick. Tim Patrick, we've talked about.

I think Tim Patrick, like, it's just the number two receiver for Russell Wilson. You could get him here. Sky Moore. outside chance for the chiefs. I'm not a huge believer, but like you just, we got to, you want to take darts

at whoever ends up getting passes from homes this year. I don't know. Julio, I just feel like, Evan. Maybe Julio should have been in tier eight. I'm not going to go to war over who's in tier nine here.

The overall point is like, Julio probably makes it more sense in tier eight. If you're just looking at like the players in tier eight, like alongside Tyler Locket, alongside Tyler Boyd, Kenny Goliday, Robert Woods. I don't know about that.

I think, I think he's in the right spot. I don't think I would take Julio Jones over near Devonte Parker. I guess that kind of makes some sense. I guess it's fine. I guess it's not that we're... I don't think tier nine should be the rest of the wide receivers.

We do not format our tiers based on a social media breakout idea. Like, McColl Hardman is in the next tier. I don't see McCle Hardman in the same way I see Jacoby Myers. So tier 10, I would describe as like, I don't know, lottery tickets. Lottery tickets that you're hoping... It's an injury needs to happen. Yeah. or just like, yeah, or they're really good.

Christian Watson, who's the rookie for the Packers, Van Jefferson for the Rams, Josh Palmer for the Chargers, James and Crowder for the Bills, Jahan Dotson for Washington, Corey Davis for the Jets, Sammy Watkins for the Packers, Donovan People Jones for the Browns,

Meekle Hardin for the Chiefs. I have two notes on this tier. I kind of think we should drop James and Crowder altogether from our rankings because apparently Isaiah McKenzie for the Bills is running as their main slot, and it's not that James and Croutter can't play, but it's, again, shout out Craig, cover one.

pointing out, it's more like James and Crowder kind of has to go and take Isaiah McKenzie's job as the slot guy for the bills. So I think Crowder is like no longer draftable until he gets that job. And Sammy Watkins has a non-football related hamstring injury.

So I don't think he's going to make the team. I feel like we should just cut Sammy Watkins from our ranks altogether. You're probably right. You're probably right. I will say we're making these judgments off a one day of training camp. Just throw it out there.

Just one day. But it's also the first new information we have in like two months? Look, I said you're probably right, but I'm just saying. That's true. What we're going to do, by the way, for people out there, I think most likely we're going to be updating weekly. So these are the types of things we're going to be discussing during the offseason. Like, is Jameson Crowder even going to play? Is he going to make the team? Like, he didn't get paid much. So at some point, we're just going to drop him out of our rankings altogether. But right now, we don't really know. If he is the number three, he's got a lot of value. But probably the way it's

looking right now, we're probably just going to have to swap Isaiah McKenzie in for Crowder, right? Yeah, that's fine with me. And we also have four other guys here. George Pickens for the Steelers, K. Jasper for the Vikings, Curtis Sandin for Washington, Marvin Jones. For the Jags, we can just fold them into tier 10. There's Pickens hype on the timeline today, guys.

I'm not, I don't really buy. I just... Hyfitz is ready to make determinations based on... Hyvitz just hates every Steelers water receiver and thinks none of them are... I don't understand. No, it's the opposite. We like Deonti Johnson. He's really good.

I love Claypool as a sleeper. But are we out here trying to say that the Steelers with, like Mitchell Chubisky are going to support three wide receivers, including a rookie? Pickens had a nuts catch today. Craig just ignores that. Greg goes, bypasses right exactly what Hypatts said. He had a nuts catch. It was the best.

He looks incredible. It's July. Let us have some hope about Pickens. Maybe Pickens is like, this is Dynasty Corner here for a minute. Pickens? It's Dynasty Brain. I'm excited. He's a first round talent.

Hi Fitz, how many people have we talked about on this podcast today that just went absolutely bonkers as rookies? Like, several. Like, we were talking about Michael Thomas, you know, obviously Chase Claypool, which is, you know, or sorry, Jamar Chase, who is on a whole other level as a prospect. But like, rookie receivers, they produce. George Pickens is much better than his dread. George Pickens is a very, very good football player. Rookie receivers produce. That's my only point.

And I understand where you're coming from. And believe me, he's probably not going to be. super applicable applicable in in 2022 but like no it's applicable should we go through the rookie receivers and Mitchell Chubisky's career all I'm saying is is Deontay Johnson and Chase Claypole aren't exactly known for their clean bill of health and pickings is probably just as talented as both those guys that's fair can Chubisky throw to his left did we ever figure this out remember that like five years which was Chubisky just couldn't throw to the left side of the field did we ever like get that settled just put all the receivers on the right Derek Zoolander of quarterbacks

I gotta be honest with you guys. I was thinking about your argument slash bet about how many games Chubisky's gonna start versus... It was all of them. I think Piquet will not start one game. I regret taking... I think Piquet's gonna start.

At some point in the season, I think Piquet's gonna start. I regret taking the hardline stance where I said zero snaps, that was probably a little ridiculous. Even injury aside, injury aside, you think Piquet will play zero snaps if nobody gets injured.

That's what you said. Can we take December out of it just because like... No. Are the Steelers in the playoff? Are the Steelers in the playoffont with Mitchell Trubisky? Well, probably not. Are they like competing for a wild card with Mr. Trubisky?

I think there's a chance they are, yeah. But like, no, no, we get to Thanksgiving and like they're doing for, they're competing for a wild card. Yeah. I don't, yeah, no, I don't think any picket plays without an injury. I think, I think Mitchell Trubisky has the job, Macy Rudolfs to the two. I'm saying I think it's a very likely possibility that Trubisky is not that good by like week nine, which is their buy, and then they come back with Pickett.

Like three and six. I think that a lot of the, again, I'm not trying to be like, this will definitely happen. I'm just like, I think that part of the picket argument is that it's like, oh, well, there's going to be pressure on them to play him. And I'm like, I don't think Mike Tomlin gives a shit what anyone says. And he keeps saying, like, Mitchell's the guy and Mason's two and like, pickets three. And I'm like, I haven't honestly heard a compelling reason why that will not be the case. And they spent the first round pick on him.

And Mason Rudolph is horrible. Yeah, they're the most patient organization. in the entire league. We don't really know that. I mean, they've only, they've had Ben. They've had coaches since Richard Nixon was president. Okay, cool. My point is, is that Ben has been the quarterback for 20 years for Pittsburgh,

so we don't know how patient they are at quarterback or not. We don't know. They've never had a first rounder pushing to start over Mitch Trubisky. It's completely new territory. I agree, but if they're not even giving him the second team reps, I think that's pretty, again, if that changes, maybe that's the best way to say it. If that change, my mind will change in training camp.

if Kenny Pickett starts getting reps over Mason Rudolph. But I guess my point is... Hyphitz's mind will change if Kenny Pickett becomes the starter. No! You have to make it... Mitchell's the number one. We're making a prediction. You can't be like,

once they say Pickett will start, then I'll say he'll start. You can't do it. You put the words in my mouth. Until Pickett is the two, I really don't think he plays all year. Like, if you're not preparing him to be the backup quarterback,

I don't think you have that. intention because the third's how many reps is getting picket getting like if mason rudolph is still part of this for this season why is mason rudolph not the three and they're getting canny picket any practice like i that's basically what i need to say i don't know how i've come out i didn't feel this strongly about it i just like he's not the second string quarterback he's the third string quarterback this is but if you look back in the history of like the NFL especially recent NFL like first round picks they first round quarterbacks like play i completely agree i just don't don't think the Steelers are part of that trend.

We're talking about one of like the two remaining teams that plays a running back, one guy on 90% of their steps. That's why we love Najee Harris. The Steelers are the only fucking team. They're going to play a running back on 90% of the steps this year if he doesn't get hurt. Like they're not part of this new wave in a lot of different ways. I don't know if sticking with Mitch Trubisky means they're sticking to their old ways.

I don't know. I don't equate those. We'll see. I think this is an, it's an interesting assumption that hyphist is operating on. nonetheless, like, regardless of what happens, like, it is, it is interesting because, like, you have a point where the Steelers are historically, the team that basically ignores the noise, ignores pressure, ignores fan pressure, ignores beat reporter pressure, and all that shit. Like, they just don't give shit about that.

But they've also never, they've never missed Trubisky play quarterback for them in real life. But they don't care. They brought back Ben Rathlisberger, like three years in a row after he should have retired. I think that's a completely different story. I mean, that man is the entire Steelers franchise on his back for 17 years, and we had Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges behind him. Look, this is, yeah, they didn't even... And they made the playoffs both years.

I don't know. Yeah, they're a really good team. And they do things their way, and they're going to change. Okay. Wow, I didn't expect the Kenny Pickett to be like the sticking board of the receiver tears episode. I just thought, dude, I was thinking about this like all of yesterday. Like, hmm, now I really want to know, like how many games pickets can play. We got to bet on that.

Can we make this? So we, Hyvitz, we need to make an official bet. I'm good, so the bet is, if Mizal Trubisky does not get hurt, you think Kenny Pickett will not play a snap. He won't start a game. Yeah, I don't want to say snap. I want to do a start. All right, I'll take it. I hate this because this, no, no, I'm sticking with it.

I think it's true. No, I'm sticking with it. Yeah, he will, Kenny Pickett will not play this year, boring injury as a starter. As a starter. So you're saying if Mitch has a terrible first half and they bring Pickett in doesn't count. No, well, you got to stipulate no garbage time. Garbage time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, exactly. Now, my fear is that, like, Pickett overtakes Mason Rudolph for the backup job by, like, week two, and then maybe gets benched. But honestly, this is the part that I think maybe is a hot take, but I actually believe. I think that if Mitchell Tribesky gets hurt, they're going to put Mason Rudolph in.

I'm going to lose my mind if that happened. That's what I'm trying to say. They need to stop making Mason Rudolph will replace him. Trying to make him happen. This needs to end. So, okay. Mason Rudolph era needs to end. They need to force him to retire.

pay him to retire. Just give him some of Rothesburg is funny. Maybe Rathesburg was paying him to stick around, I don't know. He probably was. All right. That's it.

Do you want to do a couple emails? Sure. Yeah. Okay. Do you remember, like last week we basically, we're talking about, remember when we learned how advertising works? And then we were like,

maybe we should like sponsor like a field, like, you know, Spotify's doing FC Barcelona. Like, what could we like name a field after ourselves? We got some, We got some options. Okay. We got some options. So, option number one is from Matthew.

Matthew. Matthew, Matt. Hello, guys. I would be willing to wrap my minivan with a Spotify, the Ringer Fantasy Football Show podcast ad for a price. I'm a mail carrier in Northwest Indiana, and I am required to deliver mail

in my personally owned minivan, a 2020 Dodge Grand Caravan. I drive 64 miles a day delivering mail in the passenger seat, driving, left hand on the wheel, left footwork in the pedals, right hand delivering some U.S. mail baby. Let's get groceries. I hope a mobile billboard piques your interest. How much?

Well, we're going to talk about that on the pod? I don't know. We have to be a huddle about it. Yeah, we got to negotiate here. Well, I don't know what our budget here is, but I'm going to start from like zero and like we'll have to go up because we're going to have some conversations with Matthew here. She's probably talking to someone about this. I don't think we've talked to anybody about this.

I didn't think we were serious. I love the idea of doing some fantasy show guerrilla marketing on mail carrier vans. That would be awesome. In Indiana. Because I got an even better one. I'm down. Okay. This is from Matthew.

I could not believe this. Another Matthew? Wow. I could not believe. Oh yeah. It's another Matthew. It's really weird. Matt.

Matt. Mattie. Matthew. Matt is the park and facilities officer for an unnamed district council in New Zealand. An unnamed ward, an unnamed district in New Zealand. New Zealand. I really want to go to New Zealand, by the way. The manager of among other things, a park that he describes as a small facility with two tennis courts, a community hall, and for the children, a cricket pitch, which I totally knew cricket was played on pitches, obviously.

And they also have basketball hoop. They have a modular skate track. I don't know what that is on a third tennis court. Okay. And I don't know what that means. Long story short, they need some renovations. and Matthew is wondering in this unnamed district of New Zealand that if we were to make a partial donation

to the costs of this park renovation, he could try to convince the local district council to approve renaming the park after our show. I wish our show had a grab your, like the ringer fantasy football show park. It's just, it's a tough sell. It is. I don't, yeah, I don't know how to fix that, though.

You know, like, there's other pods out there called, like, Pivot, the Kara Swisher part. Like, if it was just pivot, that's so much easier to sell. Maybe we'd have to come up with an abbreviated. I mean, the Ringer Park is kind of tight. Yeah, but I want to, it's got it. We did it. You know what I was going to say.

I don't, yeah, no shade of Kevin O'Connor, but like, K.O.C.R. You're not out of here, like, getting parks in New Zealand. Can't have the fucking NFL show. Maybe like. CROFiting off of us. Maybe like Ringer Fantasy Park? If we said this to Kevin Clark,

Ringer Fantasy Park. What would Kevin say if we were like, hey, Kevin, we're going to get this park renamed after us. Do you want to help us raise money? He'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? No, I don't want to do that. He'd call us maniacs. Having said that, yeah, you know what?

Yeah. He would call us maniacs. His highest compliment is this rules. And I think he would basically be like, this is the opposite of when something rules. He'd be like, no. This is not it. Can you imagine though if we did get it called

the Rear Fantasy Football Show Park and then we went to New Zealand there? I really want to do this. Let's do it. I feel like we could easily expense that trip if we got a park damned after us, right? Branding. Yeah, but how do we expense the park? That's like the whole question.

We got to figure out some money things here. We'll do that offline. We got to send some emails and we got to figure out what our budget. I have an idea. I have an idea. Ready for this? Yeah. Every week,

We submit, I don't know how it would work. We could either do three. We should basically play daily fantasy and if we ever win money. That's profits. That goes towards donations to get a park named after us. But that means we have to win.

We're going to have to get a lot better. We're going to have to get really good at this, you guys. Wow. Well, do it for the kids in New Zealand. I mean, if we're not doing it for ourselves, we've got to do it for the kids in New Zealand. No, we need Spotify to pay for this. No, let's win.

Win for the children. Come on. Be competitive. If it's... If we won like 10 grand, how cool would that be if we donated that to a park and got it named after us? That would be cool. But can you imagine if we donated to the park or they didn't name it after us? And then we just have to keep up with like doing a good thing.

We'd need that in writing. Yeah, we're going to need that writing, Matt. No, we're not doing this to be good for children. We're doing this for ourselves. Now I'm going to be really focused on daily fantasy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

And if you have any other things that you might want us to make, if you, if you, pitches that we can name something after. Please email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com. It's a very delicate situation. Everything's fluid. We currently have a budget of like $0 and we're going to work on, we got to figure out what that number realistically could be. We're going to talk to some people upstairs.

Metaphor because everything's virtual now. However, please email us at ringer fantasy football at gmail.com if you have something you can name after or just, I guess, questions about football, I guess, sure. Thank you to the Matthews. Thank you to Danny Kelly. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Lorne. Lauren. Thank you. The Clash.

Nice. You know, Train and Vane? I don't know that one. I thought you were going to say Rock the Cosmo. I feel like London Calling is their most famous song. Yeah, that's a very famous one. Straight to Hell is like the greatest sampled song of all time. M.I.A. You got to check out Train and Vane. I can't believe you.

You definitely know it. The second it plays, you'll know it. I think the title, I don't know if they say it in the song, so you might not. recognize it. Craig, that's a good question. Do you know who what band is probably the most used in movies? Like pound for pound. Obviously some artists have like way more songs than others, but you know pound for pound like songs put out versus songs put in like movie scenes is probably the most sample because like London and calling, I feel like every movie that's ever had London in it just London calling is the intro. Yeah, 100%. Always. All right. Thank you to Clash. Goodbye, everyone.