The Ringer NFL Show - WTF Week 12 Recap: Saquon the Closer, Stinky Stroud, Cliff Kingsbury, and Waddle Is So Back

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

Before the guys discuss all the NFL Week 12 action, Heifetz unloads his feelings about the Giants after another embarrassing loss, as well as Saquon Barkley after he ran the Rams into the ground on Sunday night (01:18). The guys then go through categories like “Winners and Losers,” “It’s So Over/We’re So Back,” and “Intrusive Thoughts". Winners and Losers (14:45) Fart or Shart (18:25) The Oppenheimer Award (35:06) It’s So Over/We’re So Back (38:50) FEELING NICEY (58:48) Intrusive Thoughts (01:03:44) Play of the Day (01:13:30) Worst Play of the Day (01:17:22) The Lucille Bluth Award (01:23:46) Check out our 2024 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Social: Kiera Givens Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Okay, this is a true story. I have a friend who once faked his own death so he could have more time to watch his favorite TV show. In my new podcast, Truthless, I'm talking to people about the lies they tell, from forging new identities to taking their love of Game of Thrones a little too far. From Spotify and the Ringer podcast network, I'm Brian Phillips. Listen to Truthless on Spotify or wherever. you get your podcasts. The poor guy had nothing to do because it was such a blowout,

but even, hell, I need to go get my charger. It's so funny. Why didn't I have it up here? Damn it, I'll be right back. Fantasy Football Show. My name is Dan Heipis, and I'm joined by Danny Kelly, Craig Coralbeck, and we are going over all the games from Sunday of week 12.

We're going to go through awards. We're going to go through everything. You can email us to ringer fantasy football at gmail. com for fantasy courts, emails for trivia and all that stuff. through all the awards, but first, DK, I think the Giants should have kept Saquan Barkley. I think the deep, deep irony of this whole thing,

because it's really fun watching you melt down every Sunday or whenever. Oh, it is fun. Whenever we see Sequin Barclay just absolutely buried. I compared Sequin Barclay today to Mariana Rivera. He's just the team's closer now. He's the Eagles closer. A 75-yard touchdown to really ice the game in this one.

Obviously, what he did last week was incredible. But the deep, deep irony of the whole thing is, like, He was still on the giants that like wouldn't matter. Right. I mean. I agree. Yeah.

It wouldn't have mattered if you kept him. Yeah, the same amount of wins. Right. I totally agree. Yeah, Eagles won this game 37 to 20. Sequin Barclay had 255 rushing yards and two touchdowns. So plus 47 receiving. So he had 300.

They were talking about how Sequin Barclay had gone over 200 yards from scrimmage for the first time in five years. And while they were talking about that, he went over 300 yards from scrimmage. Yeah. 302 yards from scrimmage is the sixth most in a single game this century. I mean, is it the record for rushing yards in a game like $2902? He was close. Yeah, $2.97. Yeah.

Well, TK. I'm glad you're having fun. Craig, are you having fun at me melting down every single week that Sequin Berkeley is just otherworldly? Yeah. Because it's great. It's not just that, I mean, like you're, you melting down is like a silver lining, to be honest, because just watching Sequin do this is the best. You know, he already has the most rushing yards he's ever had in his career this season?

Wow. It's week 12. He already has the most rushing yards he's ever had. I honestly, the stat that blew my mind was the Eagles have the, The first 10 games, Sequin Barclay played with the Eagles, where the most rushing yards the Eagles had in any 10-game span in the entire history of the Philadelphia Eagles. That one didn't feel great.

I have so many thoughts of this. I'm home for Thanksgiving. I'm in New York. I'm surrounded by my delusional Giants family that is, we're so, we're superstitious, but frankly, the games don't even matter anymore that we're not even doing the superstitious shit. But to your point, I agree that, like,

it is really sad that the Giants would not have any difference in record if they had Seq 1, which actually I think as bad as the Giants played today, I think how good sake 1 is with the Eagles. It makes me feel even worse about how bad the giants are, that this individual had no impact on how the Giants played. Right. It's like when you know you're the problem in a relationship and then you break up and then your partner goes on to do great things and you're like, yeah, I guess I'm happy it ended because they reached their potential, but also it makes me realize even more that I was the problem. Oh my God. It's so bad. I, dude, Okay, so can't we just celebrate it?

This is like the perfect, this is the perfect, like, marriage of running back and offensive line and quarterback. It's just beautiful. It's beautiful. It's like Derek Henry and him are the two best stories of the running back position this year. I was just about to bring up, D.K.,

in general, this has been such a ridiculous year for veteran running backs on new teams. Sequin Barclay, Derek Henry on Baltimore, Josh Jacobs on the Packers, huge day-to-day. Joe Mixins had a huge year with the Texans. Even like throwing Tony Pollard's been really good this year. It's crazy how good. I mean, half the time, 27, 28-year-old running back's getting traded,

let alone 30-year-old for Derek Henry. Like, it never works. And they all work this year. It's unbelievable. This is the most outlier running back year ever. None of them have gotten hurt, knock on wood. But it's like there's such hindsight as 2020, I think, in fantasy this year, looking back through the lens of right now.

It's like, oh my God, Sequin Bark is on the Eagles. Why wasn't he the first overall pick? Derek Henry's on the Ravens. Well, he wasn't going to catch passes. or whatever. Yeah, I think... And he was going to get sniped at the goal line. Too body's like 70-yard touchdown.

I think the thing with... You're right about fantasy. I do think this is one of the flukest fantasy years ever just because all the receivers have been hurt for like a little and the running backs or like 18 of the top 20 running backs are pretty healthy. It's like Chris McCaffrey and Isaiah Pichekko got hurt. Taylor missed three games.

And it's like the other 17 are pretty damn healthy. ETIN, who honestly, you're better off with them not playing. And so it's like pretty healthy at running back. But I will say in terms of real NFL, I do think... And fantasy too. I think this is a great example, this offseason of everything you just said, Craig, and all the veterans switching teams and being good, or the old guys staying good, James Connor, Camara, who didn't switch teams.

It's a really good example of when wisdom becomes conventional wisdom, it might actually be time to fade the wisdom. Like it became a received wisdom because, frankly, what happened was the smartest teams in the league bought the dip on running backs and the value cratered. And it made sense like seven years ago, hey, we shouldn't be giving Aaron Jones an extension four years ago or whatever, five years, you know what I mean? When it might not make any sense to pay running backs more than your top receivers. So running back compensation completely plateaued.

And then I think what happened was smart teams looked at the market this season and we're like, why the fuck is Jerry, sorry, we're just going to keep, I can't keep myself from cursing. Why the fuck is Jerry Judy making $55 million over three years if I can get Sequin Barclay for 36. That doesn't make any sense. The rate, like, think about that. Like, Jerry Judy signs for $15, almost $20 million more than Sequin.

Who do you think is more impactful as an NFL player? Saquan Barclay or Jerry Judy, for the love of God. This is the one week where you kind of can't say that, but yeah. All right, fine, whatever. Because Jerry Judy was hugely important. Fine. But yes, obviously, we'll get to him.

Obviously, I hate Jerry Judy. But, no, I know he played well. But fine. but like Jerry Judy's like what the fuck? Jerry Judy's the clown from happy Gilmore for Highfitch I hate that clown I hate that clown it is but yeah I feel like I get hit the

Sequin got hit the balls and I was like yeah man I get it I feel like I got hitting the balls in this game but the other thing I have to say because I'm ranting and I'm home and I was amazed that the Giants down 30 nothing that my brother I forgot what real fandom's like because my brother was like can you turn the volume up and I'm like it's the fourth quarter and it was like 30 to nothing

and the bucks had the ball and I was like Do you actually still need to see how this plays out? And he was like, can you turn it up? I couldn't. I don't know. I've been so beaten down by like this giant's experience. But we talked about this a lot of my house today. And like where I've come to and where I'm coping and I'm sorry for all you two just

like hearing me rant about Saquan Barclay. Where I've come to is the giant screwed up because what we just said, it was so goddamn cheap to keep it. It was $12 million. And they spent the Saquan Barclay's savings. Like what they spent it on was. Yeah. Drew Locke, who got $5 million to not be the backup quarterback after all this.

They played DeVito anyway. And then Devin Singletary, not playing for the Giants right now. Two people who are not starting for the team was plus $1 million was the Sequan money. That's number one. And I will say that the Jeff Van Gundy rule that your best players should set a culture of intolerance for anything that gets in the way between you and winning. That's what's happening in Philly right now, where Seiquon, team captain let go, huge, Kobe guy, work ethic is crazy. And if you don't even believe in any of that shit,

then they should have traded him at last year's deadline. Instead, they did the middle, insulted him, let him go in free agency for almost nothing. Christian McAfri got like a second, a third, a fifth, a sixth. The Giants didn't even trade, Sequin. They let him leave so we can get like a fifth rounder in this year's draft. Dude, I hate this team. I hate the Giants.

You know what? Honestly, Seekwon, thank God he got out of this tire fire. And like, you know what, he's better off. He didn't need to go down with our ship. Good for him. The Giants are morons. This is like football therapy right now. I'm glad you landed there.

I think that is the right take to end on. I'm glad he's gone. He's better off. Fuck the Giants. I think is the right way to look at it. It's even funnier that Tommy DeVito's playing like shit this year. When if he just did that last year, they'd have Jaden Daniels right now. Dude, they probably would have kept Saquan.

They probably would have Seacon. You'd have Jaden Daniels and Saquan right now if Tommy DeVito didn't get hot last year. Oh, my God. Talk about sliding doors. Fuck. That's tough. You're definitely right. They would have kept Saquoan and put it with Chad and Daniels.

Going back to your point about your brother being like, hey, can you turn the volume up? There is a level of fandom that I don't possess in any sport with any team that your brother has and that some people have. And it reminded me today, I was watching the Patriots game and the Patriots got destroyed by the Dolphins. And it was at 28-0. It was a 25-point game, 30-point game. And Drake May throws some garbage deep 50-yard touchdown to whoever, and they score. And it cuts the two Pats fans in the stadium. And they high five.

Like, they just won the Super Bowl. And they were hugged each other. They're decked out in gear. Frank. And that score put them down 31 to 7. That is a level of passion and enthusiasm that I will never possess. Yeah. Who are those people?

Standing a state basketball? Come on. If they're down 30 and they hit a three and I'm like, nice. That'll make them. What the fuck? I get mad when the players celebrate that stuff, never mind me celebrating this stuff. Like Wondale Robinson got a first down down 30

and he was like, first down. And I was like, shut the fuck up, Wondale. Are those people just like eternally happy people? And like, is that really what the answer is? They're just like happy to be there and life is great for them no matter what. Should I be striving to be that way? You probably should be.

Yeah. I think it would probably be a better life. Yeah. I watch sports a lot. And a lot of times I wish I was a different. I just, I don't know. I wish I was different, man. I just, I don't know.

Don't we all. Don't we all. Anyway, I, yeah, that's, all right. But the other thing I want to mention from this game tonight, other than Mike Tarrico tearing his Achilles, which is like my greatest fear now that I'm, I'm on the precipice of 30. I'm terrified of tearing my Achilles.

But other than that, what's with all the people on the sideline, just getting absolutely annihilated. Oh my God. People, two guys on the same drive. one, it was like the guy that holds the big sound cone thing, like got taken out hard. And we heard it really well. Like, you heard the crush.

He got like, and he like, he dedicated his life to capturing sound one last time. Yeah, seriously. He recorded his own fuel. Like the, like the mountain, the volcano erupting for one last time. And then there's the other guy, like, like two plays later, he's standing with his face facing outward. He's like a security guard's like watching out for people like running onto the field or whatever. can't even mean looking. And A.J. Brown of all people. Right. I think

Puka ran into the other guy and then A.J. Brown ran into this guy. I was like, dude, those are like, or maybe I forget who it was, but. Yeah. We really see like a Paul George's injury like every three weeks from I thought poor soul on the side. The second guy like fell, he like got hit at a hundred miles an hour and then

fell head first into the padded like side of the stadium. What if that had been like a brick wall or something? The guy wasn't dead. Jackie, my fiancee has a mental list in her head of which players helped those people up and which players who get them. Yeah. Yeah. And like it's, I know they're playing football,

but it is weird when AJ Brown like destroys a guy going to eight like, like he's running like 25 miles an hour into some like, nice 65 year old man who's like standing behind as a security guard. And like that guy just goes upside down and they just like, all right, good luck with that. I think sometimes they don't realize it. I think they don't know what, who they

hit sometimes. Well, they know they hit, they know they obliterated somebody. They're playing a context. I'm not blaming AJ Brown. It's just funny to watch someone do that to another guy in this slip walk away. So callous. If you help them, if you help them up, maybe you're, maybe that's soft. Like maybe I

don't want that in my favorite player, you know? Right. It's like you wanted to be a little crazy. Yeah. The Bears, the Bears Vikings game in overtime. George Pickens isn't picking anyone up. Well, he's nuts. No, he's nuts. He's nuts. Bears Vikings in overtime. The guy holding the

chain got obliterated. Yeah. And they, like, there was such a long delay. The ref went on Mike and was like, there was a timeout. for tending to an injury to an official. And everyone's like, boo!

Oh my God. Speaking of that, did anyone see Gladiator? I did. I feel like we're just watching a gladiatorial sport. Yeah. The modern version. We just want blood.

Blood lust. Unbelievable. All right. People are so fucking mean. The people in the stands horrible. You know, it's funny. I even, I did, I went and saw Gladiator 2 this weekend.

I was down in Long Beach. Do you like it? That's beside the point. My point is, is there was some guy just fucking talking the whole time. He just didn't give a fuck. He did not give a fuck. That's the worst.

People were shushing him and it was him and his buddy. Even in the last minute of the movie, it's like this quiet, somber, not somber, but like a serious moment. Hands in the weed or whatever. Yes. Yeah, it's like hands in the gravel. He's a soldier of Rome.

Honor him. And he just goes, bah! He just screamed out to scare people in the last two minutes of the movie in this quiet moment. I'm like, what kind of person are you when you go home? Do you have any friends? Do people enjoy? Does anybody like you? Did you go home?

And you're like, I have a good time at the movies. I did a good job. Well, then he went to the Patriots game the next day and then he was high-fiving his friend. He was down 31 to 7. Hell yeah. He's living a blissful life that guy. That's who you want to be. Again, this is the life you want to live.

And he was booing the ref who got hurt today, I think. Oh, my God. Dude, people are nuts. People are nuts. All right, let's get to the winners and loosens from the day, other than that guy. I want to start my, I hate that clown. I hate that clown. My big winner from Sunday a week 12 is the NFL.

They did it again, those sons of bitches. They did it again, those sons of bitches. You sandbag and son of a bitch. I think today is why the NFL makes $17 billion a year. Yeah. not even necessarily because like Taylor Swift is dating the tight end for the team that wins the Super Bowl back-to-back years. It's because the games today mostly sucked. Like on paper.

On paper entering the weekend. Awful. The early games, the 1 p.m. Eastern games, 3 and a half quarters sucked. Endings of Dallas, Washington was electric. And the ending of Bears Vikings was electric. And I was sitting there. We were just, Panthers chiefs, the worst team. Yeah.

Panthers chiefs. All of them were good. We were, I mean, D-K, you could have got your second house. I know. Dude, I would have made that bet. Yeah. If I would have made that bet, I would have been sweating that. Yeah.

Could have had so high. Oh, yeah. You want a house. Scared money don't. Don't make house. 100%. Scared money, don't have had 2,800 extra square feet. God.

If you just didn't watch the game and you went Apple picking, came home and checked your phone, you're like, oh, great. The Chief's one. As I thought. As I expected. I have now a second house. Literally, I cannot get over the NFL. We have to start that Washington Dallas game, though.

The first 55 minutes, there was one touchdown. And then the final five minutes, there were six touchdowns. What is the deal with that? It's so funny how the NFL is like that. These teams suck. I don't know. But the fourth quarter had 41 points. Dallas won over Washington, 34 to 26, ultimately.

It's a lot to this game. there's Washington fraud watch which I want to get to in a moment but I have to start with the Cavante Turpin tough return touchdown where he fumbled the ball did the spin move

to five guys out of the play and then he was all right I want to know because I'm not very emotionally by I'm not I'm very confident that's the worst moment of my life but

right because it came against the giants but it did remind me of that play a lot where it was like almost identical obviously I think the Desha one was a punt return, but like, yes. Same deal. Yes, it was a punt. Matt Dodger to kick the fucking thing out of bounds. Tom Cawson told him to kick it out of bounds. He didn't fucking kick it out of bounds,

Matt, what the fuck? Sorry. Hyphins is in New York. You can tell. I don't know. But yeah, like the same deal, like he fumbled it, had to go back for it, and then kind of like stood there for a second and then just shot out of a cannon gone. I'll just do the coolest thing ever. A little spin move, which was like a little flare on the Deshaun Jackson thing and then

just ran away from everybody. He wasn't even close. I almost think the move. might be to purposely muff receiving the ball. It throws people out. Yeah. It changes the physics of the play for some reason and it gives you the right lane or something like that.

I don't know what it is, but that is what unlocked something. It's like a bit, but I think you're right, Craig. You know what I think happens is that on punt returns, there's like lane discipline where you're basically like fan out. They're like sharks in the water when you're sharks. And then it's like, ball. Yeah. There's a ball of law. And then everyone's like, get the ball.

Just abandoned their lane. They're like the dog from up. It's like squirrel! And then everyone freaks out. And now everything is open. Squirrel! Squirrel! No, that's exactly.

No, honestly, that should be a thing. DK. Yeah. I want to move up. I want to take fart or shart. Bring it up to the top of the show here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this is a prolonged fart we're dealing with in Washington.

Mm-hmm. What do you think is going on here? This team has lost three straight games. Is this just one of those really long, farts or did the commander shit their pants? Um, shoot, that's tough. I think, oh my God. I think I'm like, I'm like, I think it's closer to a chart.

This is their third straight loss. Uh, this loss was especially bad to a Cowboys team that like, absolutely had been unraveling over the last few weeks. Cooper Rush quarterback. The defense couldn't stop anybody. High Fitz has spouted off this stat. This is obviously not in Dallas, but it was, was like six straight games with 20 points.

The Cowboys have six straight home games where they were down 20 points. Which has never happened to any team ever. No other teams had four. Like the Cowboys are like a disaster. And the fact that Washington couldn't beat Dallas in this game is really, really concerning. When the Cowboys play the Eagles, Cooper Rush had 45 passes. I think my favorite thing is when good teams lose to disasters.

That's just like the best situation. There's a couple of those today. I think the commanders still have like there. To me, they're a wide variance. team, I still think they can definitely, like, catch fire and, like, get this thing back on track. But if you, I went back and looked at their wins this year. Their only quality win, I think, especially in retrospect, is against the Cardinals, who are now six and five.

The other teams they've beaten this year. The Giants, twice, who are two and nine. The Bengals who are four and seven. The Browns who are three and eight. The Panthers who are three and eight and the bears who are four and seven. The losses, bucks, raven, Steelers, Eagles, and now cowboys. Like, I think we got over our ski. a little bit with how excited we were about the commanders early on.

And it was kind of like the Saints deal except for extended several weeks because, you know, they were just playing really bad teams for the most part. That being said, like, I do think this team could still, you know, catch fire.

We saw this in the fourth quarter. They absolutely, like, came back. I think Jane Daniels had like three points in fantasy at halftime and ended with like 40. Yeah. So, like, obviously they can,

you know, they can, you know, like, I don't know, they have the talent. They have like the explosiveness. And when things kind of start clicking,

they're really good. But yeah, this is like really not going well. I think the shine is wearing off of Cliff. Like he's still doing the thing where McLaurin, for the most part, it's just like on one side of the field. Like even if they're like shadowing McLaren. Like they don't even need to shadow it. If they just line their best guy up on the other side of the field and like whatever.

So I don't know. I think that the shine is coming off for sure. I think it's a huge shart for Washington. An absolutely massive shart. And if it's as bolder than I. Yeah. It is a shart. It's undoubtedly a shart for Washington.

And frankly, this is exactly what's. This is the Cliff Cliff. This is the Cliff Kingsbury, half through the season, hits the cliff. And again, I went to True Media and all the advanced stats back it up. But the stat that frankly hits it the most just wins it like win-loss percentage. First seven, if you just look at every, on True Media, you can look up every game that, or every season, Kingsbury, not just a coach, but a coordinator. So all the Cardinals years, Washington, et cetera.

And the first seven weeks of the season, Cliff Kingsbury has won 65% of his games in the NFL, 65% for reference. That's basically Bill Belichick with the Patriots, 65%. From week 10 on, Cliff Kingsbury has won 25% of his games in the NFL, which that's what the Giants record is right now. Like two and eight entering today, the Jaguars, two at eight. Like, the Jaguars are like a 25% win team. So like Cliff Kingsbury's Bill Belichick in the first half and then the Jaguars.

So again, we were wondering, is this going to happen again? And there's all these reasons for it. But basically the idea is he does a tremendous amount of schematic innovation in the off season doesn't expect it to be like Formula One, where it's like Formula One, the car in the first week of the season is tinkered every week. It's not going to win the race. The car that comes in the first place in the first week of the season will come and last in the final race. Your tinker throughout. Cliff doesn't do that.

Jesse's producing this episode. I have a clip I wanted to show you guys. You haven't seen this. But this is Cliff Kingsbury talking about fading the second half like three days ago. I'm not saying this is happening this year, but historically your offenses have declined a little bit in the second half of seasons. Are you aware of that and is important for you to break that trend? I would have to see what you're talking about historically, like the references, but yeah, I don't have any plans to do anything to break that trend that I know of. What?

This dude, he doesn't know his people. He didn't, dude, this is college, too. Texas Tech, Cliff Clingsbury, 2013, started 7-0, finished 1 and 5. 2015, started 5 and 2, finished 2 and 5. 2018, started 5 and 0, finished 0 and 5. This is his whole fucking career. You know, I googled when the best time to visit Thailand is,

and it says November to March dry season. So there's a chance that he wants to coach in the bat when it's not a great time to visit Thailand. Around the wintertime, he's like, all right, I don't want to make playoffs. I want to take a trip. Look, I get it. He launched vacation. You know the other thing, though, high bits?

This is more specific to this season. But like, D.K., you were saying, like, we probably should have seen this coming and not gotten so over our skis just in enthusiasm. All their third down and long and fourth down conversion stuff was running at such a ridiculous clip. Anything was going to regress. Weeks 1 through 9 when they were 7 and 2 before this three game losing streak started. They were number one in third and longs in the league. And they were number one and fourth downs in the league.

They were perfect. They were perfect. They converted to their first like 18. 11. They were 11 for 11 on fourth down In the first nine weeks Absolutely not Since then, over their three game losing streak

They are fifth worst on fourth down And fifth worst on third and long When their aggression hits, man I think this season reminds me a lot of You know what season was very similar to that? Was Carson Wentz and the Eagles in 2017? Oh, I thought you were going to say Entourage Season 8 when he dates Sasha Gray

And I was like, yeah, look, it doesn't always Sometimes it doesn't work. Super well Cliff Kingsbury also kind of had his own, you know, ever doing that kind of stuff. I don't know. But yeah, so the only other thing I'll say about this game, what would we have said if the kicker had made that extra points in this game?

And Jaden Daniels just hit a hell Mary to Terry McLaurin. Like, again, they had, they had to go 86 yards in 20 seconds. That was the worst piece of defense I've ever seen of my life. Terry McLaurin wasn't touched. They go 86 yards. They had 20 seconds to go 86 yards. They did it in one play Terry McLaurin wasn't touched. I don't know if that's ever happened.

There was like seven guys around it when he caught it. None of them touched him. I've never seen a play like that where you need to go 80 yards and you catch the ball at like the 40 yard mark and then you run 40 more against prevent defense. I was thinking about that 30 second stretch might be the most improbable 30 seconds in NFL history. If you think about it, an 86 yard touchdown with 30 seconds left against prevent defense is like less than 1% chance you score, right? Then they score. One in 10,000. Sure.

Then you have an extra point to kick. Once again, less than a 5% chance. chance of that missing, okay. And then even the next play is an onside kick returned for a touchdown. What are the odds of that happening? Like, those three back to back are like one in 10 million that that could happen. And then 90 seconds for that was Gavonzee Turpin dropping the ball running back to get it and then not getting touched on the way to the end zone.

Like literally three plays in a row were like winning the lottery. Yeah. Every time. Oh, my God. That's a great point. Yeah. If they would have won, though, it would just been like more of the like this is the team of destiny.

Yeah. They're just, now like, man, if Noah Brown dropped that ball in week seven or whatever it was, we'd really be feeling shitty about this team. Yeah, that's true.

That's really true. I mean, look, there's still seven and five. I like what Craig said. Yeah, I like what Craig said. But speaking of the Bears,

though, that's the other team who, again, like I thought, you look at the two rookies. I thought Caleb Williams played really well against the Bears today.

Yeah, he's the opposite of the team of destiny, whatever the, yeah. Yeah, it's a team of absolute, like, yeah,

the team of despair. Bears lost to the Vikings 3027. Caleb's like Sisyphus. Because he's getting closer with the rock going up hill because last week Caleb got like division rival, playing the Packers. Caleb leads the drive to like field goal range and then the bears

get the kick blocked. This week, same thing. All right, I couldn't put this stretch. Caleb Williams down 11 points under the two minute warning. 11 under the two minute warning. Gets the touchdown. Gets the two point conversion. The Bears get the onside kick.

Caleb gets. the Bears in the field goal range. Caleb spikes the ball to give them time to get the field goal. Bears make the field goal. Go to overtime. And then the bears who have now been on the field for like 20 minutes. And then the chain gang guy was like obliterated. So the shit was like 25 minutes of real time. Then they're not able to punt. And then the Vikings never give him the ball back and they win the game. And I was like, damn, Caleb actually has a hint of Drake May where he's playing really well, not today for Drake May. But like they're playing and they're losing. So maybe he's doing his job. Yeah. But I thought Caleb was this was the best game, even though they're

I thought this was actually killing's best game. I mean, you might have already said it, but like the bears, this whole like slide started in that like improbable Hail Mary loss to the team of destiny, remember. But yeah, I thought he looked great, man, especially considering it was against this Vikings defense, which has really confounded quarterbacks all season long. He looked really good. He was, I think in the first half, he had like three or four, you know, just the reason he was, the reason he was picked number one overall, the type of throws he was making.

in that first half in particular were like, holy shit. Like only a few, you very rarely see rookies make throws like that. So, you know, I thought he played pretty well. He had like that, that sack he took in overtime was regrettable.

For sure. Yeah. He was, it was a heat check. Yeah. But I think overall, you got to feel pretty good about where he is,

if you're the, if you're the Bears, obviously losing at this point, I mean, yeah, I just feel bad for Bears fans at this point. But overall, like, things are going in the right direction with

Kail Williams, I think. The throw he had to DeAndre Swift was one of the five best throws of the entire season. I couldn't believe he physically was the athleticism to do that. And then also the touchdown he had to DJ more that was able to get

them closer to overtime was a screen that doesn't look like anything crazy. But like he went to the line and he changed the protection. The Vikings had like six guys in line scrimmage and he went, he changed the prediction. I think he changed the call.

Like the IQ, again, what he's allowed to do is incredible. Yeah, brutal, but yeah, bears, Jesus. Craig, who else do you have as a loser on Sunday, Week 12 here? So it's been 10 games since C.J. Stroud, Big Brode, Caleb Williams. And in those 10 games, C.J. Stroud has 11 touchdowns, nine picks. I don't think the Texans are right.

So they lost today to the Titans, 32 to 27. The Texans are, we always say, I love this term an unsurious team. The Texans look like an unsurious team. This week, they had 11 penalties, which was first in the league. They sacked Willevis eight times and had a pick six and lost. Say that again. Talking about winning the lottery. How many times does that ever happen?

Yeah, they sacked Will Levis eight times and picked him off for a touchdown and lost the game. They had what would have been a game winning touchdown in Nico Collins for 30 yards. That was called back because of an illegal shift. Two guys were in motion. And the game ended because Stroud ran out of bounds and got a safety. And that pretty much sealed the game. And I just think Stroud's like mentally in a weird spot. he's missing throws that he doesn't usually miss.

I heard the announcer today said the term arm arrogance. And I thought that was kind of interesting because I think Stroud is like making it hard on himself. I think he's trying to thread the needle like Stafford style on a lot of these throws and almost, I feel like he's trying to prove that the hype he got last year. And the hype he gave himself like in the off season, the way he treats everyone.

Like I feel like he already cemented himself as like one of the guys. And he's not really playing that way. right now and it's compounding and it's getting worse and he's like in his own head. I know the offense and Sloic and everything doesn't really help. The offensive line's not great, whatever. But I think Stroud is like making it way too hard on himself right now. My intrusive thought, I don't believe this at all.

But my intrusive thought was that C.J. Stroud was outplayed today by Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, and Will Levis. I really, I really like, I thought that at moments today. I think you're totally right, Craig. I think you're right because I agree, Bobby Sloak, the offensive coordinator, I think, is like lightly sabotaging. You know, the rest of the development, like light treason?

Yeah, it's not like, it's not, never go full waldron. It's like a half waldron. But there are also times where you're right. I think that Stroud, again, doing the podcast, I'm never drafting a quarterback who does a podcast ever again. That's a tattoo. If you do podcasts, especially if you're a rookie, If you do, if you film anything after your rookie year, I'm not thinking.

Who, does any other quarterback in the league have a podcast? A starter? Closest is probably Rogers, man. But no other quarterback has a podcast, right? No, not to my knowledge. Yikes. The podcast is a huge red flag. That's a big.

He were Lovsky. Stroud did the Rolovsky today. I'm disappointed in the three of us for not picking up on that in the off season. You never draft a quarterback who got a podcast. That would have been in the rookie season. That would have been a good hot. Podcasts are not athletic. Once you do a podcast, you lose your athleticism.

It's similar to like doing too many. It's like going to Baker-Mayfield route where you do, you say yes to every commercial you're offered when you're a rookie. And then like if you have a sophomore slump, like it looks really bad. Five teams later, you get it back. I cannot get over the fact that Will Levis took eight sacks through pick six and one. He had a hundred and twenty-three passer rating, Will Levis. Like, none of that makes sense to me.

I don't even know how that works. Like, how in the hell did he do that? 123 pass rating after taking eight sacks and throwing a pick six, that doesn't compute. I think Stroud is officially the biggest bust in fantasy. Sorry, at the quarterback position. Right. Yeah, I think so because I think even Mahomes delivered today. I think Mahomes is just kind of like if you take him really high, but I agree that Stroud, like, again, that's why we were super out on Stroud out of the season.

We were like, there's no way he's going to divil over on the height, but he's been way worse than even. Mahomes is climbing back up the ranks. I think he's like the QB12 or something right now. It's fine. Here are the only quarterbacks that CJ Stroud is outscoring this year. on a per game basis. Bryce Young, James Winston, Gardner, Minchew,

Andy Dalton, Deshawn Watson, Will Levis, Joe Flacco, Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson. Those are the only players he's out scoring.

All those guys suck. Not a great list. Oh, man. DK., who's your winner for today? I say this not super confidently, but the Seahawks? The first place,

Seahawks? The Seahawks are in first place. Is it another familiar feeling of misery after this win or no? No, I felt this one wasn't quite as bad as the normally are. A joyful 16 to 6 victory, just full of joy. He did throw like an atrocious pick after, like, where they were driving down the field and like they would have pretty much sealed

the game with even a field goal and then he threw a pick in the end zone. So that was kind of annoying, but overall the Seahawks came back and they played pretty well. And like defensively, I think is where I'm most excited about the Seahawks right now because I think it's just kind of proof of concept. that the Mike McDonald signing or whatever you want to call hiring was a good decision. It's like the defense is working now.

For the last three weeks, even in that last three weeks ago to the Rams, like I thought the defense was pretty good. And now they've been the 49ers and the Cardinals back-to-back games. They're in first place in the division. They basically shut the Cardinals' offense down. The Cardinals could not run the ball, which was really encouraging because they're a pretty strong

run team. They do a very good job of marrying the run game with the past game. late in the game, the Seahawks weren't giving up any big plays for the most part. They basically were just doing the thing where it's like forced Kyler to dump it off. This is why, like,

Trey McBride had like 11 or 12 catches. So, I don't know. In the course of like three weeks, I've gone from like, the Seahs fans have gone from like, we should just rebuild. Maybe this wasn't the right hiring. Everyone's missing Pete Carroll to like,

we're back, baby. Their Seahawks are in first place. Playoffs. Super Bowl? I don't know. Sports fandom is, unlike anything else. Seriously.

It's a disease. It is 100%. Well, they, you know, fanatic. The word fanatic. Yeah, so speaking of which, all right,

the I am become death Oppenheimer award for the player who went nuclear. I mean, it has to be Sakelon. We do honorable mentions. Yeah, well,

first, Sequin had 46 fantasy points today and I just had a shout out. The only person who's more fantasy points than Sequant, that's in full PPR, but still,

the only person who's more full PPR fantasy points than Sequin in the entire season is Lamarie. Jackson. Sequin is more than every other quarterback, every other position, more than

than two March A is more than everybody. I mean, I think he had like 42 and half BPR. It's ridiculous. I'm going to give mine to Josh Jacobs, who got overshadowed today by Sequin Barkley, but until 5 p.m. Pacific, this was Josh Jacobs' day, kind of. Three touchdowns, and they killed the Niners, 38 to 10, 106 yards, three touchdowns, number two running back on the day behind Sequan. Also, the number two running back over the last five weeks behind Sequin.

he's been awesome he killed the niners today like every single third and four Josh Jacobs is doing everything spinning juke and hurtling he's awesome very happy for him again the vets on new teams spin you know what I'm not gonna lie hurtling I like Jacobs

centering the season I was a little off put by a running back wearing eight I didn't know what to make of that every time he gets the ball I know that his number is eight but every time he gets the ball I'm kind of like who the fuck is that guy yeah like why

of running back wearing eight. But he looks, I still think that's why I didn't score a touchdown for like five weeks. But all the touchdowns then are just like absolutely piling on now. D.K., who's your Oppenheimer other than Seke one? I want to give some props to Jordan Addison, former Balitnikov winner that Hafeitz just simply does not care about whatsoever. I don't know why I was so mean to him because I actually kind of do like Addison. I think I was just really mad. It was in the moment. Yeah, that's fine. I was a little harsh on him. Jerry Judy, I hate for real. Addison, I wasn't. That one you feel in your heart. No, I really, I really hate

your Jews. Addison I was speaking. Okay. Anyway, Addison, 8 catches 162 yards in a touchdown today. Fifth, I think I looked this up, I could have missed one or two, but the fifth most yards by receiver in any game this year. Jamar Chase had 264 yards in week 10, which is insane.

Jamar Chase had 193 in week five, another one that's insane. Jackson, Smithing, Jigwell, 180, and Joanne Jennings with 175. Those are the other guy. Those are the only receivers that have had more yards in a single game than Jordan Edison did today. point where Jordan Edison had 120 and the other Vikings had like 20.

Yeah, there was, and this to me is like why I wanted to give him a shout is because I think, and I've said this a lot, I think it's so important to have a really good number two in the NFL because sometimes defenses just do a really good job of blanketing your number one guy. That was exactly what the Bears did today. Justin Jefferson didn't have a second catch until like

really late in the fourth quarter. Yeah, you got to get yourself at T. Higgins. Yeah, 100%. Unless you're the Bengals, which case you got to get rid of T. Yeah, fast. And I recognize that, like, Addison has been pretty touchdown dependent in fantasy over the first two years of his career. But since the start of 2020, he's averaged 11 points per game and half PPR.

Rishie Rice has averaged 11.3 points per game in half PPR. Like, he is on, he's like on that track. He's averaged more points than Zay Flowers, Garrett Wilson, Tankdale, Chris Olavi, George Pickens, Drake London, in that stretch, he's averaged more points in game than all those guys. And I think no one really talks about Jordan Addison at all. And I don't know, I just wanted to like recognize him because I think he's a good, he's like a good little player. He's a really good number two.

He's not going to be a number one probably. But this is a former Volitnikov winner who was extremely productive in college. He's a good route runner. He makes plays down the field. And I thought he was awesome today. So they, yeah. You just want to give him his flowers. Yeah, exactly.

I want to give him his flowers. Not Zayflowers. No. So it's so over. We're so back. Craig. Like a Phoenix rising from the ashes. I started Jalen Waddle today.

Yes, that's good. And I still might lose, but I felt so vindicated. It's all worth it. 11 weeks of battling in the muck, in the mud for this day. Jalen Waddle, 144 yards in a touchdown, was kind of great just from the beginning. It was like the one game a few weeks ago where he had 55 yards in the first three plays and then disappeared.

He had 55 yards once again in the first quarter And I was like, is this going to happen again? We joke, we do that category, two tight ends who outscored Jalen Wattel. No tight ends outscored Jalen Waddle. Only two wide receivers in the league outscored him this week. Hell yeah. This is what you play for. You know what?

I wasn't going to give up. A captain goes down with his ship. Dude, all the teams who were crushing it today with Jalen Waddle and fantasy, I was just thinking of that meme of the guy. There's like the cartoon four panel meme where the guy's like biting the goal. biting the gold medal, popping the champagne, give him over the middle finger

and it zooms out. And he's like an eighth place on the podium. Yeah. And I'm like, that's, that's terrible. Also,

this might be like the devil's work today because we're now getting close to the fantasy playoffs. And now everyone's probably going to start him for the next month, hoping he goes off again. And he won't. He's like Kaiser Jose.

He showed his face once and we'll never be seen again. It reminds me a lot of Kevin Garnett. He won a Bill's show a few years ago. And he was like, he's like, he's like the way to beat in certain guys. Like,

he was talking about Janus. He was like, the thing is when you play Janus, you want Janus to make the first three. Right. Because then you want Janus to keep shooting threes. And it's kind of like, actually, this is mind games. I wanted Jalen Waddle to play well this week. Because now you're exactly what you just said, you're going to play Jalen Waddle in the playoffs, you're going to lose. Yeah.

But having said that, Dolphets are playing well. D.K., who is your, we're so back? Speaking of, Tua, we're so back. I love Tua. Comfortably, no head injury. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then we did a little breakout where Carlos, who's a Dolphins fan, basically made it sound like we love Tua. I actually do love Tua. He just spliced together an argument where we were like kind of making

fun of Tua into an argument. I feel like he thrives. Always. So since. Okay, go to the Instagram, DK. That wasn't here. That was on the Instagram. Right, right, right. Since returning it from injured reserve in week eight, I'm going to give you the ranks for what Tua has done. 76% completion rate first. 56% success rate when throwing the football first. 116 pass rating 1st, 11 touchdowns, 3rd,

with only one pick. He's averaging 2505 pass yards again, which is 10th in the NFL. And offensively, the Dolphins are first in EPA per play, EPA per drive, EPA on dropbacks. There's second and offensive touchdowns in that stretch,

and fourth and successful plays according to 33rd team. So pretty good. Pretty good job. Sounds like all those Washington stats. Kind of almost as if he's an MVP of the team and maybe the league. Oh, of the team.

Oh, now you're going to hedge you of the team. Sorry, I meant the leak. I meant to leak. No, I mean, yeah, well, I don't really believe it, but like, you can make the argument. I want to shout out really quickly because I feel like he's been overshadowed this year a little bit. Devon A. Chan is just quietly, he's been a menace. He's, like, crushing. All of the upside that we talked about in the offseason, we're seeing it.

And I think the reason, it doesn't feel like it because he doesn't have those, like, 50-yard bombs like he was having last year. He used to, like, have a 70-yard touchdown every week. That's not really happening as much. It's a little bit more of like chunk plays just over and over working him in in the red zone and stuff like that. And then also the stats don't really reveal it because Tua was out for five weeks and that screwed everything up. But when Tua is on the field, Devon A-Chann is the number two running back in fantasy. He's averaging 20 points a game. Like he is exactly what all of the upside conversation was.

Like that's just happening. And I don't really think people are discussing that. I don't know. Why aren't we talking about it more? I think it's because the stats don't reflect it because Tua being gone messed a lot of it up. And there's not like the show, you know, the Scott Hansen and we got to go to Miami

where Devon A-chan rattles off an 81-yard run. That stuff's not really happening. They're just like using him a lot in the red zone. He's also like for sure their number two receiver this year. Obviously this is a big part of the reason Waddle has been so bad all season is because he's just like he's got like a 20% target rate. The other number two receiver is Jono Smith. Nine catches 87 yards in a touchdown today.

They've kind of like Tyreek and Wadle have been replaced with A. Chan and Jono. Tarik has been not that good this year. No. I think that he's getting more attention and the dolphins actually have answers now with Jonu and A. Don't forget,

A.Chan had the concussion. Jono Smith was not involved early this season, but like, last five weeks, the top scoring tight ends in fantasy are Taysam Hill, which is funny, Travis Kelsey.

Jono Smith is three above Kate Otton and Brock Bowers and Trey McBride like Johnniz Smith last five weeks. That's pretty crazy. Having said that. I think we need a giant asterisk on this game, though, a little bit.

34 to 15. As far as I'm considered, it's 34 to nothing. This Patriots game, this was an abomination for New England, right, D.K.? Like, This was a horrendous game. It's so over. Mayo might not be a good coach. Gerard Mayo. I love one. And it's funny that, like, Gerard Mayo,

when you, like, he's the head coach of a football team, but usually you can call Belichick the last name. You can go table. But you're just like, yeah, Mayo, it's over for me. Like, you know what I mean? Just like a funny guy to call by his last name. Yeah, that's true. So, look, I'm not the only ringer employee, or I guess not employee owner to be calling out

Drodmeo publicly. Bill Simmons has been going after him on Twitter. So that's, you know, obviously I'm just kind of piggybacking on that. But man, he's like the most conservative coach I've ever seen in my life. Like he will never go for it when they should go for it. He will never do anything that is even remotely like aggressive. And today, he did one of the weirdest challenges I've ever seen from a coach. Don't say weirdest, dumbest. Literally the dumbest,

the dumbest, worst challenge I've ever seen. So basically the play was, I don't know what it was, it was a 20-something yard pass to Jalen Waddle for the first down. And he challenged that despite the fact that they had called defensive pass interference. So it was going to, so if they won the challenge, it would still be a first down. Yeah.

Like, if you win the challenge, you're going to have a first down. Yeah, they would say four yards. It's the absolute shortest of shortlists of the worst challenges in the history of instant. play. By the way, small detail, lost the challenge. Yeah, call stood. And then the best part was then, just for me, it went to then Gene's starrator,

and they were like, Gene, do you think that call should have studied? He was like, nope, I don't think it was a catch. And I was like, great, thanks, Gene. Oh my God. I love being blamed Gene for that. I just fucking hate that. I didn't think it was a catch. Well, all the other people on the field who doing your job did. I don't know why you guys constantly disagree. Please.

I don't get it. I don't know why they can't be on the same page. Because the rules The rules are not like the fuck Why are they always wrong? It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. There's too much gray area, Craig. I will say for Gerard Mayo

that first of all, first six snaps there were three false starts for New England. That is so terrible. The Patriots at 10 penalties, almost all of them were like false starts and holding in neutral zones. Mike Reese and he has been listed them and it's kind of like incredible.

It's like literally like for Dary Lowe at a false start and then Jacobs had a false start and then low at another false start and then Jacobs had a holding and then Austin Hooper at a neutral zone infraction which is like a tight end getting a neutral zone infraction Jesus and then Jennings had a neutral zone infraction and then Vardarian Lowe had another holding

and then McChatee oh, or not MacJet's sorry Jones had a holding and then Verderian Lowe to another false start dude what the fuck? And it's like that's insane and then on all right fine offense like Gerardman as a defensive coach last week first the Rams

the Patriots allowed 28 points in the first 24 minutes today versus the dolphins the second quarter the dolphins had two 209 yards and 24 points in the second quarter. And then Solac's via ESPN stats and info, Solek tweeted out, that was the most points allowed in the second quarter of the NFL in like the last year was today in New England.

And the defense, again, is so bad. They allowed Jailad Waddle to get 144 yards. Jailad Wadle can't do anything versus anyone. It got to the point where the announcers were like depressed about how many penalties. They're like, and another holding. It was horrific. I agree. I wasn't sure what to make of Bill's anger

towards Gerard Mayo, but he actually reminds me a lot. He like added him on Twitter or whatever. He tagged him. That's amazing. Girard Mayo actually reminds you a lot of Antonio Pierce. And Bill was saying that- That's actually true, yeah,

because they're kind of like defensive coaches that are super conservative, like really, really concerned, like weirdly conservative about everything. Bill was saying Gerard Mayo coach is scared. I don't think Geronel coach is scared. scared. He coaches with the way too much

the overconfidence of a former linebacker who's like, well, our defense will just get a stop. Because that's what you have to believe to be an NFL player. But what Gerrador doesn't seem realize is the defense sucks. You actually have to coach like your defense

sucks because it's awful. And so they're coaching with this like crazy blind confidence of, of course you can't give up the ball at midfield. Because you know, as long as we punt our defense will hold them. Meanwhile, it's like, your defense is not going to hold him. Antonio Pierce is the same way with the conservatism. It's the same.

My, it's so over. It's so over for kickers in the era of the kickers. Tough game for kickers. We were in the golden era, baby. And then today, we were in the golden era, man. The Bears had a kick blocked. And then

Kaimi Fairbairn for Houston had a huge miss. Jason Myers for Seattle missed his first extra point of the season. And then the Bucks kicker missed a field goal. And then Cowboys Washington, Brandon Aubrey had a kick block. Brandon Aubrey doint a different kick. And then the Washington kicker missed two

extra points. Make two they win the game. Make one you go to overtime. He missed two extra points that they lost. So it's just like what, like it went from like kickers were like crushing 60 yarders into honestly kickers are just losing games from teams. It was a big week for regression. Yeah.

Well, for some people I will say progression. We're so back. Bryce Young. quarterback for Carolina. I thought this was the best game Bryce Youngies had since he was at Alabama. He made like five throws today

that I was like, that was like a legitimate high end difficult professional quarterback throw. Yeah, I agree. He made a couple of big throws that were not caught too, that like were good throws that should have like been big gains

that they just didn't bring down for a reason. Like 30 yard corner routes on a rope. Yeah. The accuracy is back and again, 21 to 35, 263 yards in a touchdown. He was also dancing out. Almost lost to be my house. He was happy.

Yeah. So again, for you don't know, on the Friday show, we, Craig and I were like, DK, if we were like,

if you're trying to peer pressure me. If you lose, if would you bet your house on the Chiefs? Would you bet your house on the Chiefs? Like if the Chiefs win, you get Craig's house. And if the Chiefs lose, you give your house to Craig.

And Dickie said no, which is like turning down the Chiefs that even money for a house. Yeah. Which we said was crazy. And we were right. It was never a doubt. I mean,

Craig, came down to the final drive. The Chiefs won. Final play. 3027 Chiefs, final field goal, you know, never a doubt.

It's my home. I never wavered. It's a backup kicker for the Chiefs. I will say, though, I would have been pissing in my pants. I would like to do a fart or shart. Okay.

With the Kansas City Chiefs. D.K., since you were not willing to bet on the Chiefs. Kansas City Chiefs, so now their record is 10 and 1. Half their wins, five of their 10 wins. We're on the final play of the game.

And again, and you know what? That was cool when it was the Ravens or like cool when they're blocking kicks against the Broncos. The Kansas City Chiefs today gave up five sacks to the Carolina Panthers who were averaging one sack per game. They allowed Mahomes to be sacked five times. Meanwhile, the Chiefs could not pressure Bryce Young

without blitzing and that Bryce Young shredded the blitzes. D-K. Fart or shart for the Kansas City Chiefs today against Carolina. Very obviously a fart. They're a good team. What do we talk about? I'm going to tell you. I think it's a shart. I'm going to say it right now.

Okay. They came into this game. Fifth in DVA. Third on offense. Sorry. Ninth on offense. Seventh on defense. This is a really balanced,

very good team with Patrick Mahomes who never loses in the fourth quarter. As he did today, he won in the fourth quarter. This is a classic. You don't get up for a shitty opponent game. You're on the road in Carolina. It's not a shart.

I think it's a shart. They're fucking 10 and one. What are you talking about? Honestly, they're halfway between what the Chiefs were last year and the Steelers when they were 11-0. They're halfway there. I want to read... Oh, I just stirred Craig with that...

No, I mean, the 12-and-0 Steelers were horrific. I know, but I want to read an excerpt today. Nate Taylor, who covers the Chiefs of the Athletic. I would like to read his story from the game here for a moment. This is the beginning of the story. Rookie receiver Xavier Worthy left the visitor's locker room at Bank of America Stadium stone-faced, even though his performance was full of quality moments. Joe Blaymeyer, the Chiefs-passing coordinator,

shook his head in frustration when he made eye contact with reporters. Unlike most days after game, quarterback Patrick Mahomes did not chat with many teammates in the locker room. Wright tackled Joanne Taylor sat in front of his locker longer than usual, his facial expression projecting his annoyance. Several Chiefs defenders left the locker room with their heads bowed. The vibe from the Chiefs was not joy, it was relief. Yeah, it's like in Kingpin when Big Erns, like,

yeah, I didn't want to lose to a guy with one arm. It's like they were they were embarrassed that they almost lost to this team. That's all. It's fine. I know. You want them to be, you want them to be pissed off. You want them to be pissed off for greatness.

This is a smelly fart. This is a smelly fart. That's fine. That's fine. All right, Craig. Let me ask you a question here. We got, you know, Packers 49ers. Tom Brady once again announcing,

do you think Tom Brady fart or shart for Tom Brady announcing this game? My man has IBS. Because this was once again another chart for my boy Tom. They didn't give him a lot to work with today. It was a blowout 3810. He did the Packers' Niners game. But even when the game was closer, man, I wrote down my three favorite lines he did today.

So this one was after a pass to George Kittle. He goes, you know, Kittle's a guy. The 49ers love to get the ball to. Every game they go in thinking, how can we get this guy the ball? That's George Kittle to this 49ers. team KB. Wow. Thanks,

Tom Brady. Another one. If you're the 49ers, you need to get in rhythm on offense. You're missing some of your guys out there, but no one's feeling sorry for anyone out here today. He has this weird thing where like, anytime he talks about adversity, he's like,

but no one's feeling sorry for you out there on the field. It's like, we get it. You know what's funny? Honestly, Brady's kind of like a, Tim Robinson bit where someone who doesn't really know football that will has to announce a football game. Like he's really like it's a George Kittle. Yeah, yeah, they got to get up the ball.

It's like, yeah, it's the best. Josh Jacobs scored like a three-hour touchdown run and he was like, great touchdown run from here from Jacobs, KB. You got those two big bodies in front of your big back makes it impossible not to score there, KB. He's the best. One time the Niners had the ball, it was first in goal. on the one yard line and the Niners ran the ball with Christian McCaffrey and he goes,

I like that play call, KB. They ran the ball with Christian McCaffrey on the one yard then. He goes, I like that play call. Brandon Allen is the quarterback. Thanks, Tom. You agree with that call? Craig, based on your memory, who was worse? Jason Witten or Tom Brady?

Give me Witten. Oh, come on. Oh, I think Witton was better. No, I do. I disagree with that. Dude, no, D.K., you know why? Whit was better. If Tom Brady was talking like this on Monday night football, it's like all we'd be talking about.

He's actually been saved by the fact that these are like 4 p.m. games. Yeah, that's true. And not like prime time. Who is better? Drew Brees or Tom Brady? Oh, I don't really even really remember Brees. That's the point. I don't think Brees did a game. What? Breeze was like a halftime show guy, right? No, he wasn't he? He called a few games. Oh, did he? Maybe like one or two. I don't know. Let me double check I think he did. Brady's got a 10-year deal for like $300 million

that he leveraged to buy the rate like a stake in the Raiders. He has 5% of the ratings. He can't even get out of this. He's so bad. He had the opportunity to call a wildcard playoff game between Las Vegas and Cincinnati in 2022. He was better than Brady.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that the 49ers love to get George Kittled ball, KB. I think that, well, the reason I bring it up is because it's like, I think they do the exact same thing. It's like they're just so. boring. Like just say something interesting for once. I think that's what makes Greg Olson good. He has

Oh, Olson's so good. He has like little interesting insights about like how they ran a certain play, like who they blocked. I think that Collinsworth does the same thing. But like, I think Brady was really good when he did like the Manning cast and stuff like that. He was like loose and like like describing like what was happening in

you know, like a two minute drill and stuff like that was like really interesting. and then he's just so buttoned up. He's like, he's like an over-prepared person in a debate. You know what I mean? Like, what's inexplicable is this is the same guy

who like seven months ago had that panel where he ranted about football and he talks so eloquently about like, it is the quarterback's responsibility to not get your receivers hurt. That's not on the defense and like defenders shouldn't be flagged or find. Yeah,

he goes to the death of the development of the quarterback. Yeah. He was like, it's all playbooks in college now. It used to be a program. Like, and it's like, what the fuck happened to that guy? Did they kill him?

Listen up. Yeah, honestly, it's like someone quantum leaped into Tom Brady's body. It doesn't know anything about football. Or like the space jam, like the monsters took it. It's like he doesn't remember playing football. It's like he forgot. It's like he made a clone of himself so he didn't have to go. And just like, it's like this like one-point-no robot.

Yeah, it honestly feels like that. Wait, what if he's not there? What if it's like A. A.L. Nichols and just A-I'd it. And there's like no one will find out. It's either that or they didn't speak to him before they gave him the money. Yeah. Brady, I could see Brady being on the board.

of Sunday I company. Maybe it is. Probably. All right. Big shart. Big short, KB. I'm rooting for Brady. I want him to come back and start being good. I'm glad that someone's rooting for, you know what? I wasn't sure Tom Brady had enough. He hasn't gotten enough, you know.

Oh my God. Craig, who's got you feeling nicey this week? I like the underdog. This is so bad. Look, if you watch that commercial, you would think that he's like a make-a-wish kid. Do you think that's what it is? he needs to be bad to start or else he doesn't have any haters to fuel him for the rise. I mean, yeah, right?

In the announcer draft, he's like a fifth round. He's missed irrelevant. The reason he's going to get good is because Craig. He'll see my clips. He'll be like, I think eventually someone's going to have to show him the clips of Craig. And he's going to be like either watch the tape or he's going to be like motivation. What if you watch the clips and be like, damn, I kind of do sound like that. He's like, damn, I'm kind of crushing it.

The Niners do love to get the ball to George Kittle. That was a good play. Those weren't two big bodies. Yeah. Who's got you feeling nice secret? Specifically, Bownicks to Cortland Sutton. Kind of one of the more unexpected

clutch duos in the league right now. Coralyn Sutton is the number three wide receiver and fantasy over the last month. No one's talking about my boy, Cortland. We were all done with him. Everybody on the show is like, has been, it's over. Cortland Sutton is like the fifth time.

Not everyone on the show. It was mostly me. Mostly you. It was like... Excuse me. Corlin Sutton is a guy on your bench. Hand up. He leads the league in receiving over the last five weeks.

Wow. Fucking A. Nice. That's crazy. It's everything like 100 yards a game. He's been awesome. And Bo Nix, same thing. Last four weeks, Bo Nix.

11 touchdowns, one pick. Wait, are you sure it's not Jamar Chase? Jamar Chase had 250 in a game. How was that possible? Maybe that was the week before. I saw last, I did last five weeks. Maybe that 250 game was a week before. Actually, no, it makes sense because Chase had 75, 264.

they had 43, 54, 55, 752. I think you're right. Chase had 264 yards in week 10. No, but I think he's right because he really only had 250 and the other four games combined. Right. Right.

Damn. Anyway, I just think like every big third down, it's like, once again, Nick's to Sutton, of court. Like, the announcer has already got, the announcer today already got to the point where he was like,

who else? Cortland Sutton! And I'm like, man, this is a really unlikely relationship that has sprouted. Remember what it's like, It felt like the Broncos wanted to get rid of Sutton for like two or three years there. They're just like, you know.

Oh, yeah. Dangling him on like for trade requests and stuff. And then they gave him like a weird sort of like renegotiated deal. But yeah, he's great. He's awesome. It's really cool to see it because like early on his career, he looked like he was going to be like a Nico Collins type of player and then he got hurt. I can't remember he like tore his ACL or something early on his career.

Yeah. Well, I think these are the throws that we're missing in the beginning of the year. At the beginning of the first five, six weeks we were making fun of the Broncos because we were like, why are you having yards after the catch offense for Cortland Sutton as Marvin Mims is on the goddamn bench. And then now Bo Nix is making these more aggressive throws in the end zone that frankly, I wasn't sure if he was going to be able to make. But like, I think that honestly, like, there's a like, Bo Nix has had like more.

I'm not saying he's like, I still am not going to be out here. And like I think the Bo Nix rookie of the year stuff over Jaden Daniels or whatever is still insane. I don't think. I think that's, I know Washington is playing worse, but I think Jaden Daniels is playing really well. but Bo Nix is making better quality throws to the corner than I thought he was going to be able to make his rookie. You're the expert here.

Who did you wrote for Rookie of the Year if you could right now? I saw you make a face when I said that was ridiculous as if I don't know if I think the only face I would make is like saying it's ridiculous is a little ridiculous but I don't actually hate Bo Nix sorry I hate Jerry Judy. It's like Bo Nix

and Jaden Daneals can't be like more different stylistically so it's like I know. It's like just funny to think about. But yeah, I mean, Bo Nix has played really, really well the last few weeks. He's playing really clean. Like, this offense works. Like, Sean Payton is, I think, the perfect offensive coordinator to coach Bo Nix. He's, like, doing really good stuff in terms of, like, making everything easy for him

and giving him answers and giving him, you know, plays, giving him, like, situations where he can just, like, feed the ball to his playmakers. And, like, you notice that, like, every game. Bo Nix, QB8 on the season. Well, I was. I was going to ask you, D.K., I was going to say, I think this fantasy-wise, I think Bo Nix is only going to get better next year because I think that a lot of what's happening is rushing here. There's like the rushing you want with Bo Nix.

It's not like he's, you know, as Lamar Jackson, but like there's absolutely rushing touchdowns and rushing yards potential. The defense will be worse probably in Denver next year, not because they're bad, but just because defense is hard year to year. And then he'll probably get better. Frankly, I think the skilled players in the offensive line will get better in Denver next year. And you look at all that together. I'm like, shit, you're going to take Bo Nix over CJ Stroud next year. You're going to take him over Jared Gaw. off.

You're going to take them all these pocket passes. Is he going to be like a top 10 guy? I think he's a top, I think he's going to be a top eight quarterback again next year in drafts. Like you're going to take like the, you know, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jalen Hertz. And then,

um, I actually think he had to do, he's probably going to get overdrafted next year. Let's be honest. Next year right now, it happens with whether a Bo Nix or C.J. Strout. I mean,

dude, I think right now, am I wrong? Bow Nix is putting up 50% more points than C.J. Stroud over the last six weeks. Like, it's not even remotely close. That's correct.

Just looking at success rate. Bo Nex and C.J. Stroud are right next to each other, 41%. 23 and 23 and 24 at 35 qualifiers. Sean Payton's a good coach. I mean, and Bo Nex, he's executing. And we did say that we thought Bo Nex could have a solid rookie year. I think the question with Bo Nex was always since he had the ceiling of these other guys. But I also, you know, Jerpreys was a second round pick.

So maybe Bo Nex will pay 20 years and be a terrible announcer when they say, boring shit. Yeah, maybe. That's the trajectory is certainly on right now. Yeah. All right. Intrusive thoughts.

My intrusive thought, this isn't an intrusive thought. This is almost like a take, but that Thursday in football game, snow games are the way football was meant to be played. And D.K., I know you said before

that you would like all games to be in domes. I got to tell you, if I could rank everything I feel about football, there's nothing I would actually put higher than what makes football special is in the large part

because it's play outdoors, rain or shine, as long as lightning won't kill someone and a hurricane won't drag resources away from like saving people's lives or whatever. You show up and you play. And I thought that game was like

the epitome of why football is like the most amazing sport. I agree completely. Weather games are the only thing that gets my mom to watch football. And she becomes the biggest fan of the game. Like if she turns,

she's like, oh my God, it's snowing in Cleveland, she'll like sit down, have a drink and watch the game. It's like just one of the most visually amazing things to watch. It is so different than anything

you can watch in any other sport. It's amazing. I don't know how I feel. I think part of me does still hang on to the old take I had where I'm like, I just take the weather out of the equation. Like let them play football.

But I do think there is something sort of, maybe like the closest emotion I have is like nostalgic about it where it's like, this is the season in which we watch these football games, and it's like snowy and shitty, and these guys are slipping, sliding,

and it's like, you can barely see the ball. Like, it's, you know, I think there is something slightly nostalgic about that. So I kind of get it. It's like a holidays.

It makes me feel warm. It's like a holidays thing. You know what I mean? Like, it's almost Thanksgiving and pretty soon it'll be Christmas and, oh, I see the lights. You know,

it's like, I don't know, there's something to it where I kind of get that. But like, yeah. You know, I don't think the football is in a game. You get to see grown men fight in the snow, dude.

That's like the coolest thing ever. Dream! And it's like, if you, I don't know, that game was magical. It was like, that was such a return to roots.

And I don't know. That game was in particular, I feel I don't really like watching super rainy games. Like, I could give a shit about that. I think snow games in particular. Well, rain sucks because you can't even see it. Yeah.

Yeah. You don't know what's there. Yeah. You're watching bad football without the cool thing of seeing snow. Would you just. die on the hill of like, like in terms of like, I want them to be playing in any weather,

like whatever rain or shine. Like when it's just like shitty and rainy and it's six to three this final score. I think getting games like the Thursday night game is worth the shitty rain. You know why? Snow games are fun. The answer is yes I will and here's why. It bothers me that with all the complications of football,

the idea that well, but the weather should be perfect all the time. The whole point of football in so many ways, is nothing is ever perfect all the time. It's like more than any other sport, people are always hurt, people are always out, there's always missed calls,

there's always dumb shit going on, and also, while we're here, football is just cosplay for war. That's all it is. It's a bunch of dudes dressing up in different jerseys. Dude,

pretending to fight in battles. I sent you guys, I sent you guys a picture Army, the college team army, put together like Battle of the Bold's uniforms where it had, The uniforms have like snowflakes like on the uniform. Like it's like I was like this is fucking awesome.

It is. But that's all football is. We're recreating the battle of the bold. I don't know. It's just very Kyle Shanahan to be like I. Like Napoleon. I only want to fight in the sunshine. Like that's not how it fucking works.

Anyway. You feel very strongly about that. Oh my God. I don't think I have a very strong take. I think my take comes from the like I want fantasy points. and like the snow games and the fitness is ruined the NFL David and Joku's dropping a wide open

touchdown because he can't see the ball that's better that way do you guys have any other intrusive thoughts I had one I've thought this actually for a long time there's too many rules in the NFL Craig you kind of were like flicking at it earlier

there's just like honestly I think like how what percentage of the rules do you think that you really know well as someone that covers the NFL like 70% And it's impossible to know because I don't know how many rules there are. There are probably 10 times as many rules that I know. The rule book, you think it's like 90.

You think you have an idea. You don't even have an idea. It's like the fucking tax code. And they changes every year. The rule book is like 90 something pages. The reason why I think I sent that because one of my least favorite ref moment today. And it's not like this was the refs fault.

It's just hilarious because there's so many goddamn rules. There was a play today where Jordan Addison caught a ball and it was a long play. Oh my God. And they didn't know if he stepped out of bounds or not. Mm-hmm. And there was, the shot that they cut to where it showed that he was actually inbound, despite the fact that the ref called him out of bounds. And he stayed in bounds and gained an extra 20 yards. But the

camera they used was called a boundary camera. And the rule is, if a coach challenges a play, you cannot use the boundary camera because not every stadium has a boundary camera yet. They're still testing it out. There's only 12 stadiums have a boundary camera. Just get the play right. Just get the call right. So they literally were like, sorry, we know he's in. in, we can't use the boundary camera because it's not equitable because the other stadiums don't have it. I'm like, what the fuck are we doing here?

We have a camera angle that shows what happened in the play. We can't use it. He's insane. That is wild and stupid and really annoying. The other one that I just thought was like really indicative and just like emblematic of like no one knows the rules

was there was a point in the Seahawks Cardinals game where Marvin Harrison caught a pass near the front corner of the end zone he got one foot down was kind of like spinning as he caught it and his back his other foot knocked the pylon over and it was in the end zone like it you know like he knocked the pylon over

with his other foot and like my Twitter timeline which is like honestly full of like really really knowledgeable NFL beat writers it was like 50-50 on who knew what the rule was I'm not kidding like half the people I saw was like I think that's a touchdown I think if you get your foot in and like knock the pylon over it's a catch and but it wasn't

that's not the rule. Like you have to get your foot down. And we had the same thing with like two right feet down and not the left foot down. Oh yeah, he got to get the right foot down twice with no left. No. And the Cardinals challenged it even though he clearly did not have his foot down. So therefore I think Jonathan Gannon thought that was the rule. Like it's like no one knows the fucking rules of this sport.

There's too many rules. He challenged it so the ref literally like had more time to check the rulebook. Yeah. The ref's like, actually, I don't know. What is it? What's the rule? Phone a friend. Except not Terry McCauley or Gene's territory.

I guess it's say the opposite. Any other interesting? Anyway, by the way, I didn't know that was the rule either. For the record. I was like, uh, shit. Is that a catch? I don't know. My intrusive thought was that there's one good team in the NFL and it's the

Lions. And I just don't think anybody else is that good. And I think the lines are clearly. Who's the second best name? The Eagles, you have to say the Eagles change your mind after tonight. No. I mean, the Eagles are a good team. This is, my,

my intrusive thought is like, it is the Lions and then it's everybody else. I'm worried about the Lions. I'm worried about the Lions. I, they racked up more injuries today, which I did not like. And they're peaking too early.

They're peeking too early. I didn't like David Montgomery. I don't know if any of these injuries are serious. I didn't like David Montgomery banged up. I didn't like Cleef Raymond got banged up. And mostly, I didn't like that.

Honestly, the Colts should have made that a game. And I didn't like that first game of that. Alex Insoloni, who he mentioned, like, he broke his arm. And he is basically the quarterback on the defense. He's played for the coordinator for seven years,

and he missed today's game. And I don't like that the Colts really should have been in that game. And they kind of Richardson missed a throw, and they dropped the touchdown. And I'm like, that should have been close. And I think if it was close, we would have been like, what the fuck's wrong with the Lions? The Lions are the only team in the league where if there was a secret rule that only they knew,

or even actually, the whole league could know it. If they were only allowed to run in touchdowns, I think they'd have the same record. Oh, wait, we can pass. I will say, dude, you know what's crazy? Dude, my, crazy, I think we need a lion's stat category each week. Yeah. But lions, I can't get over this stat. I don't think we even talked about this.

David Montgomery and Jemir Gibbs have both scored a rushing touchdown in the same game, nine times, which is tied for the third most ever of a duo. Dude, they've only played a season and a half together. Jameer Gibbs is a second year player. They've played like 23 games together, and they have the third most games ever where they both have a rushing touchdown. That is insane. They're like Camara and Mark Ingram, but maybe better. I don't even know.

Well, they both had 10 plus rushing touchdowns last year, and they both have 10 plus rushing touchdowns this year, which I saw a stat. I can't remember how exactly rare it is, but like that's like it rarely ever happened. I don't think there's ever had a backfield pair, each scored double digit touchdown. touchdowns two years in a row. They might each have played. They might each have 15. But they also were not done with this season.

And last year all we bitched about in September was that Jimere Gibbs wasn't playing that much. I don't know. This is all great. Gibbs didn't even like, Gibbs didn't even really become a part of their offense until like halfway through the year. Dude, fuck it. Now I'm remembering how I felt watching the Lions play.

Craig's right. The Lions are the best team. They're winning the Super Bowl. The Lions are the best team. I'm close. All right. Play of the day. Turpin.

The Kvante Turpin return. Pass the boot. also it's that sequence McLorrent touchdown was pretty wild too The McLaurin We would talk about that cosmically But Craig

Will you give your Tom Brady A version of announcing Your AI Tom Brady version of Cavante Turpin Doing that kickoff return touchdown Cavante Turpin there KB seems to fumble the ball

a little bit But it actually might have helped him Picks up speed You can see the defenders chasing after him But they are just not fast enough to catch Cavante Turpin there for the touchdown.

Great call. Great call, KB. You love having fast players on special teams. Kvante Turpin has been a real game changer out there today, KB. Brady, he's going to come back. Brady might have me killed. I know, seriously.

If this show gets a little more popular, Brady might have me kill. you're going to die. I want to shout out real quick. This is not nearly like on the level of these other ones, but like Baker Mayfield scoring the rushing touchdown and then doing like the DeVito celebration, you know,

to the whole crowd. But also there was another play. I just wanted to shout out Baker Mayfield in general because I think he's the guy in the NFL who's having the most fun. Maybe except for like Dan Campbell. He's probably having the most fun. But like second place, I think Baker Mayfield is maybe.

maybe the guy who's having the most fun. There was a play, I don't even know. It was late in the third quarter or something like that. Bucking Irving broke off this really big run. And like 50 yards down the field, Baker Mayfield is like blocking. I don't know if he like actually was being doing anything helpful. But like he's like running his ass off 50 yards down the field trying to block guys, falling down, rolling around, like getting up like slapping Bucking Irving on the helmet,

screaming in his ear like yelling at the crowd. I'm like, this guy is so funny to, watch play football. He's just like out there having fun. You know how some quarterbacks when they throw a 70-yard touchdown? Like Mahomes. Mahomes at this point, he's like probably not going to run to the end zone. And congratulations. Baker Mayfield, it doesn't matter how long.

Like he is sprinting to go celebrate in the end zone with his boys. Every single touchdown. It's like that old podges close or like just sprinted into the mound. No, it's true. Baker, yeah. Baker plays like someone who like, you know, their career almost ended and like, everyone says, like DeVito said

I want to play every game like it's my last. Baker actually plays every game like it's his last one and he's going to like enjoy it. I will say that game reminded me I'm still a Giants fan because sometimes I wonder if the combination of covering football professionally with the Giants being terrible for like eight and last nine years has made me like less of a fan.

And then like the Giants are down four touchdowns and Baker made, and like they had Buck Yirving wrapped up at the line of scrimmage at the five yard line. And then he broke the tackle and ran 60 yards with Baker as his lead locker. And I fucking threw something across my childhood living there. Wow. And I was like,

Oh, and I was like mad. And I was like, oh, I guess I still care about this stupid fucking team. Still down there somewhere. It's a disease. It's genetic. I'm like, the first 20 minutes of this podcast didn't convince you or last week. I hate this fucking team. Whatever.

Or the week before. Other best play of the day, dude, Kobe Bryant. Oh, yeah. Picking off that, uh, picking off Kyler Murray pick six and he did the hold my dick. Oh my dick. Two weeks in a row. Can life get better? Craig, do you think, um, is holding or dick having a moment?

Apex Mountain? No, obviously not. Apex. You don't even say that. Yeah. It's Apex Mountain for recreating it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you know when they show like the Google trends, like the spike? Yeah. Hold my dick like trending. Half chub. Yeah. Up the spike. Worst play of the day.

I got us Jonathan Taylor, the flea-hicker. Jonathan Taylor. Flea-eaker. Getting a handoff and then he turns around and toss the ball back to Anthony Richardson. And he gets the ball like halfway there. It's like a five-yard toss. Yeah, he like bounced past to Anthony Richardson. It was like, he could have like took him two steps and handed him the ball. It was so close.

He bounced. I couldn't believe that. And then I think Anthony de Richardson was like, oh, we're throwing grounders and then he threw a grounder. Yeah, and then he bounced into the guy. He did like a Kevin Love's trying to make him feel better. He like threw that shit. He's like a yokech out there. Like, we're going to throw.

Oh, my God. Taylor's like, you know what? It is hard to throw football. Oh, don't worry. I just had an intrusive thought. I think Yokic could get two weeks of NFL training and have a better completion percentage of the NFL than Anthony Richardson. I think you've organically given this take before.

Yokic, there's... It sounds so familiar. Maybe we just said it offline sometime. I don't know. Watching Yokic play basketball, there is zero percent chance he could not be an NFL quarterback. Fucking zero. Yeah, he's like truly like a wizard out there.

Like, like, I'm not going to lie. We should play a game. We should put, we should put Yokch and Stevens quarterback. rankings at the ringer. Like, there's no way that there's like 26 play. Like Gardner Minsh who broke his collarbone. Yokic could just play for the Raiders.

I'm sure Daniel Jones will play for the Raiders, but Yokic could do it. Yokic is a really good passer, right? Yeah. Isn't that like one of his things? Yeah, honestly, the funny thing is the football guys would hate him because he'd be as good as Josh Allen, but he hates his job and he hates sports.

So I think the football coaches would hate him. He'd like go out there and win the MVP. He's the opposite of the Baker. He's having the least amount of fun. He hates the game. Take me to my horses. Horse guy. Horse guy.

All right, the Yokic conversation seems to have imploded Craig's computer. So we'll see if we're able. Who knows what's going to happen to the rest of the show? It's eerie that I just said Tom Brady might snipe me and my computer shut off the second. Seconds later, your computer was detonated as soon as you, so maybe that's the last Tom Brady impression. So now for the podcast on audio, wherever you get in your platform, hopefully it's on Spotify. it'll be fine. For YouTube, for the rest of the show,

we're not going to have any video for Craig. So I would like to propose something I've always wanted to do. I would like to superimpose AJ Hawk, like the Pat McAfee show. And I would like to just put AJ Hawk on a loop. Just a looping video of AJ Hawk, like nodding. Yeah, just every like 20 seconds he like, yeah, just like moves a little bit. Ripping a cigar. Yeah, just ripping a cigar every five minutes. I would like that over Craig is.

So let's see if we can pull that off. But for the rest of the show, so just keep going here. The last, two last things I have to mention for the worst play of the day. I don't know if you guys know this, but we got another Will Levis picture has dropped. Another picture of Will Levis has dropped. We already had the

surrender cobra early in the season. We had his face in the guys, but we had like all these things. Another one was him throw, like him parallel to the ground throwing with his left hand. Yeah, all the pictures. We got another today. He threw a pick six and then he

knew immediately was a pick six and he started running and right when he started running he put his head down to like try and go faster and it is just the Will Levis head down like No it's the shame head down. It's not the to go faster. Whatever. The shame head, whatever it is Will Levis sprinting

with his head looking at the ground. Oh my God. You know when you hit like a fly ball that you know is going to be an out but you have to run it out anyway. That's what Will that's what Will Levis was doing. Exactly. The only other worst play of the day, this is like the worst quote of the day. I don't think I'm, this also sounded fake.

I don't think this is fake. And if it's fake, make fun of me. Did you see that ESPN reported that Puka Nakua didn't know the Rams were in the NFC West? Yes. Dude, I don't understand that. I can't comprehend that. I kind of love it. Dude.

Football, he's a football guy, dude. He just shows up and plays the game. Is he just like Forrest Gub? like get the ball and run or like is he just like he loves ball so much the extraneous stuff doesn't matter I understand and I'm a little jealous

of when like athletes or anyone who's great at anything is like totally disconnected from the world like when Brock Bowers did the Trump dance and they asked them and they're like did you know those the Trump dance he's like I just saw John Jones do it last night part of me thought he was lying and part of me was like fuck I would totally believe Brock Bowers didn't know there was an election yeah it's very Gen Z

ignorance is bliss kind of just like if I think Brock Bowers knows what division the Raiders are Redd? Like, Puka Nakua doesn't know this thing that directly impacts his job. That is wild. I mean, do you need to know? As a player, you show up and you try to win the game. Don't you want to know which teams you're like, oh, this is a divisional game for?

Do you think it, did it come up because he was like, it feels like we're playing the Seahawks a lot? Like, how did that like even like, Reds? Why do we always play the Seahawks and the 49ers and the Cardinals? I think it's so funny. man, dude, you play them a lot. This is where it's like the great coaches are always teachers who were like, oh, we think about X's and O's these like incredibly schematic things and like complex.

And it's like, in reality, your job is to make the complicated, like simple for things like Pukukukua who literally, he used to say what he ate as a rookie before like Cooper Cup took him in was he would just take a different route to the facility every day and eat whatever fast food was on the weighted facility. Jack in the box, McDonald's Burger King. This is how the fucker ate. Dude, yeah, this is another one of those situations,

or it's just like, they're just like us or whatever. Oh, my God. It reminds me of, I don't know if it's true. This is another one that could be like apocryphal or whatever, but I remember hearing a story about how Brett Farve didn't know what cover two was. Like, he just, he's just playing on pure instincts. You know what I mean? Like, he's like, oh, that guy's open.

I'm going to throw it to him, you know, which might explain a lot in terms of like how many interceptions you threw in his career. But I don't know if that's actually true. I did. I heard a story about like how. Brett Farf didn't know what cover two was. He was like, what do you talk about? Cover two? Oh, dude.

All right. The Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line and won't respond to it. I think we hit a lot of these. Sorry, he didn't know what a nickel defense was. I just looked it up. Tide Detmerk, there's a headline. Tide Detmer confirms Brett Farf had no idea what a nickel defense was. God, I love it.

That's legendary. That dude's in the hall. That dude had the most touchdowns ever. He's like, I don't need to know what the defense is doing. I know what our guys are doing. That's so, dude. That's some Cardale Jones shit. Lucille Bluth, I don't understand the stat line. I won't respond to it.

Do you guys have anything here? I got one. Jalen Wattle has more 100-yard games this year than Tyree Kill. Oh my God. That's so funny. Dude, what the hell? That's actually wild. Weird team. My Lucille Bluth is that Father John Misty and Kendrick Lamar both released albums in 2012, 2015, 2017,

2012, and 2024, including this week. And in all of those years, except for 2012, the Warriors have won a title. Oh my, yeah,

that's so insane. There's a, there's like an Instagram account or Twitter account. I can't remember what it is, but it's like, it's like weird correlations between two things,

and it's like car crashes and children named Peter are born this year. It's like, and they like correlate perfect. I don't know. that's a terrible example, but like two of the most like completely random things correlate perfectly over time.

Who's the guy on the Tigers? You're going to have to be more specific. Therese twoble? No, no. Is he not on the Tigers? There's the guy who every time he hits a home run, something insane happens.

Oh, oh, you mean the Castellanos. Yes, Nick Castellano, Castellano. Yeah, every time Nick Castellanos hits a home run,

there's like a global catastrophe. Yes. Yeah, so that would be the graph. Nick Castellano. Or whatever. He was at the Tigers. Yeah, yeah. Home runs versus world debacles or whatever.

That's so funny. It was like he hit a home run and Trump almost got assassinated. Like every time he hit a home run, something crazy happened. Wasn't it the first one? It was like the announcer had just done some like racist thing. Well, yeah, that started with that. That was, that was with the, I forget who it was. It's like trying to talk through it.

He's like, I might not be on the show again tomorrow. Oh, Nick Casamano, Kistiano's hits a whole. run. Deep in the left field. Is it Castellano or Castellano? We've been bouncing back and forth. I think it's Castellanos. Okay.

I mean, I'm not the pronunciation guy. You guys really just succeeded. I'm not a baseball guy, so I don't know. Yeah, it's tough because I know baseball, but you guys know how to pronounce things.

So that's like a real tough. Like, you gotta go one way or the other there. That's so funny. Email us at Ringers Fed is in football. Please, if someone can formulate a trivia question, listening to this. If you got in this front of the episode before

we listen, if you can email us before we record tomorrow's waiver show, I would love a Castianos like waiver related trivia to like all the random events or whatever. Anything like, because I think it was like the day Biden dropped out. It was the day Trump got shot. It was like everything

that, anyway, please, please give us that. All right. Craig mentioned you you mentioned Waddled and you mentioned two two outskirts who outscored a Jalen and a lie is a thing we do through RIP. Two tight ends who outscore Kyle puts in a lie.

But Jeline Waddle was the number one receiver. So I would like to replace this game, guys, with someone else. I would like to introduce two tight ends who outscored Marvin Harrison, Jr. and a lie. Ooh. There we go. Two tight ends who outscored Marvin Harrison Jr. in a lie. Theo Johnson. Goat.

Luke Schoonmaker. He had a good game, I think. AKA the shipbuilder and Craig's nemesis Austin Hooper. Oh, fuck him. He had a touchdown. He did, yeah.

I think, I think it was whoever you said first. I think it was Theo. Yeah, it was Theo, but fucking barely. And that, that,

I think that Marvin Harrison, Harrison Jr., not a great game today. I would like to outline, I would like to continue this thread a little bit. I want to play a game with you guys,

a little bit over-under of whether these tight, the following tight ends have more or less, more or fewer, I don't remember, whatever is important, more or less catches than Marvin Harrison, Jr. this year. Do you guys think Kyle Pitts is more or less catches than Marvin Harrison?

Hmm. Man, I think I would say less. Yeah. One less. Wow. Kyle Pitts has one less catch the Marvin Harrison Jr. Jake Ferguson for the Cowboys. He has missed two games.

Do you think Jake Ferguson is more or less catches than Marvin Harrison Jr. this year? More. Yeah, more. He said, Yeah, he has more. Jake Ferguson has more

catches than Marvin Nerson Jr. What about Pat Friarmouth, Greg? You watch the Steelers every week. Bad, like a down year, like a really disappointing year for Jake Ferguson.

You've probably cut Jake Ferguson. He has more catches than Marvin Harrison. Craig, you watch the Steelers every week. You think Pat Friarmooth has more catches than Marvin Anderson Jr.

Yes, or no. Man, Pat's only doing like three a week. It's got to be close, right there. same amount. I say less. One less catch than Marvin Harrison Jr.

Dude, I like how Craig said that. He's only doing like three a week. Yes. Yeah, that's three times 12. Dalton Schultz for the Texans, who's been invisible. Yeah, I barely noticed him this year.

No double digit fantasy points for Dalton Schultz this year in a week. Do you think Dalton Schultz has more catches or less than Marvin Harrison Jr.? He's been invisible? I'm going to go with more. just because Diggs and Collins were out as well for a while. Exactly the same.

They both have 36 catches this year. That is wild. Don't Schultz has been like the most irrelevant player. Your doppelganger, Will Disley. Yeah, more. Goat. Yes, more. Will Disill is more catches than Merviderson Jr.

And lastly, I will just say Evan Engram, which is tricky because he catches a lot of passes, also functionally has missed five games this season. He got hurt on the first. and then missed a month. Do you think Evan Ingram is more catches than Marvin Eris Jr. He's played five fewer games. Oh, Evan Ingram has had games with like 11

catches, right? Yeah, but he's played half. He's played five games. Few, less. Same. Exactly the same, yes. This is exactly the same. Look at that.

Anyway, all that's the same. Yeah, I'm obsessed with this. But yeah, anyway, Marvin Erison Jr. has nine more yards than Hunter Henry this year. Should we burn him? Yeah, that's a very long way of saying I would like to put Marvin Erson Jr.

in the bird book. That's fair. Well, he should have had a touchdown according to half the people that I saw today. Yeah, he should have. So should Alec Pierce. You know who has more yards

than Marvin Harrison Jr.? Alec Pierce. And that's what Marvin Harrison Jr. is this year. He's Alec Pierce with better branding. Damn. That's who he is. Brutal.

We should have a, we should put dates on the calendar for when we think Marvin Harrison Jr. will surpass Chris Godwin and Yardage. how many yards did godwin have he needs like chris godwin has like 50 more yards than marvin erasian junior he's out for the season like five weeks ago now you got me all sad thinking about my boy chris

or ip chris anyway yeah morvin arson junior in the burn book oh all right thank you dk thank you craig thank you jesse for um editing one hell of an episode god you know carlson kai spend one day with their families and then Craig's computer explodes because he made fun of Tom Brady one too many times and now Jesse has to put this together. Thank you to A.G. Hawk for not suing us for put superimposing your face

onto Craig's for the remainder of this YouTube video. And thank you to everyone emailing us at Ringerfinity Football at Gmail for Fantasy Court and trivia. But most of all, thank you to Lauren. Lauren. Thank you, Father John Misty. I saw him live a month ago. Nice. How was it?

He was very good. He opened for Casey Musgraves. Wow. Yeah. At the forum. I've always meant to listen to Father John Misty and then I never have

and I swear to God it's definitely because I was always a lot listening as Kendrick albums at that time. I always spent like a lot of time for Kendrick album and I just think that's one. I like Father John.

He's like very lyrically like whimsical. He's very kind of like sarcastic and funny and is he a dark humor? What's the father thing all about? I think he's just like

being ironic. I can hip, hip, you know. But he's good. Real Love Baby is his big hit song, and it is very catchy and good. It's actually unlike his other songs. It's like a little too, like catchy. Can you sing it so I can recognize it?

I got, wait, is it, I got her I want. I want the real love, baby. That's Father John Misty? Yeah. No. Wow. Great song.

I had no clue. I know that song. you're the bee that song I did not know that was Father John Papa Jay Papa Jay missed No

For some reason I had that I had that picture in my head That he was like singing like really like sad songs He looks sad and all the album comes He looks so sad He does kind of sing sad songs He's like this like he's like this middle-aged man Who has like a lot of thoughts And seems like he has four glasses of whiskey

and thinks about the world existentially every night. Dude, yeah, all those album covers looks like he drafted Marvin Harrison Jr. over Sequin. He drafted the wrong B. Robinson. Yeah. I was going to say, sounds like a podcast host. He's a middle-aged man who has a lot of thoughts.

Yeah, just put him with C.J. Stroud. He needs to get him out. Oh, my God. All right. Goodbye, everyone.