The Ringer NFL Show - Young QB Check-In, Part 2: Trevor Lawrence Excuses, Richardson’s Flameout, STROUD, Liking Jordan Love, and Our Big QB Sleeper for 2025

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Subscribe to our new YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@RingerFFS The guys look at the remaining under-25 starting quarterbacks around the league and check in on their young NFL careers heading into this season. Plus, emails! (00:00) Intro(02:20) C.J. Stroud, Houston Texans(12:56) Anthony Richardson, Indianapolis Colts(19:20) Bryce Young, Carolina Panthers(32:17) Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville Jaguars(50:29) Justin Fields, New York Jets(01:06:11) Jordan Love, Green Bay Packers(01: 17:44) Brock Purdy, San Francisco 49ers(01:30:09) Emails! Check out our 2025 Ringer Fantasy Football Rankings here! Email us! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig HorlbeckProducers: Kai Grady and Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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please subscribe to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show YouTube channel. We're going to do fun stuff there. Thank you. Let's get to the show. Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heffin. I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Worldbeck. And today we are going over all the other young quarterbacks that we didn't hit last week.

Last week we did the 2024-draft class with the top six guys and the top 12 picks. This week, we're going to get hit every other quarterback that's 25 that is worth talking about that I remembered to do, which ended up being like six or seven guys. So I just think some of these guys have been. paid. Some of these guys haven't, but I just think overall, it was interested in me to just check in on quarterbacks in the first handful of years in their career and just basically

all these teams are just reloading to be like, is this our guy or not? I'm building around him, and it's honestly just such a huge theme entering this season. I just think we had to hit what is the status of these quarterbacks that we still don't know what they're going to become and everything with that. So full disclosure, we're recording this June 12th. I know it's coming out later, and so many things

may have happened. Hopefully nothing has happened between then and now. I mean, literally, things have probably happened. Probably nothing with these people have happen between then and now. But if we don't mention it, that's why. But overall, I don't think for our purposes, anything next few weeks is going to change a ton. So, yeah, you want to just jump into it?

Yeah, it's funny. Already looking at this list of quarterbacks, it's kind of a lot of post-type sleepers. There's a lot of, like, guys who came out hot kind of have mellowed out a little bit, and now we're kind of reassessing what we think about them. Yeah, so we can just jump in. And I'm basically looking at the 20,

I futz with some of the rules. like we're looking at 2021 and later, but, you know, I'm not looking at Mac Jones, and I'm counting Jordan Love because he sat. Talking about Mac Jones? No. So I want to jump in and start here. And again, we're just looking at quarterbacks under 25

and just like a status update and how they're doing what's going on. What does it deal with these guys? And I want to start with CJ Stroud from the Houston, Texas. Straub. Good one. Yeah, Craig. Give us just a little. Drive.

Year three. Will he make the leap? Honestly, yeah. I kind of, that's the nutshell. I do. I think going into the draft, Strat was just kind of viewed as a toss-up with Bryce Young.

And I think, you know, D.K., you had him number one at your board, but I don't think a ton of people were saying, obviously Bryce Young ended up being not as good. Stroud was immediately good. But a lot of people weren't saying,

I think Stroud's going to be a late quarterback. I think the comp for Stroud was like, Dak Prescott, Jared Gough. Gough. It wasn't like Stroud was going to be a world killer. He was a solid number one pick. It wasn't like he was special.

Honestly, Stroud looked special literally by week two. Like, Stroud's rookie year. He had like 4,000 yards, had 23 touchdowns, five picks. CJ Stroud had the lowest interception rate in the NFL

is rookie year. Like, not among rookies. Like, he just was at the lowest, 1% of his throws were interceptions, literally better than anyone in the NFL, was insane. He looked like the next big superstar in the league. He did. You know, like a face of the league. And then I just want to linger on the playoff thing.

Stroud and the Texans won the AFC South as a rookie. And in that game, I mean, they beat the Brown, it's like 45 points in the the Browns in the playoffs. Strowd became the youngest quarterback to win a playoff game, period. Still is, 22 years old. And Stroud was the first quarterback drafted top too to ever win a playoff game his rookie year, which was insane.

And then Jay Daniels just did that too. Which specifically against that Brown's defense, which was fucking awesome that year. And he shredded them. And it was cheating a little because it was like the Browns were uniquely bad against the Shanahan defense. But like, yeah, he just, I mean, destroyed them. I mean, he literally set the record for rookie touchdowns in a playoff game at halftime. Like, he destroyed them.

And then in the offseason happens and he has a podcast. You know, you know, it's, that's the reason. The only thing we can confirm is podcast just can't play football. So in a year two, honestly, the hype was insane. This was a conversation we had last week about Jane Daniels, which is not the same player, but similar things where the expectations for Stroud rookie year were kind of low, and he blazed past them. And the expectations for Stroud last year in 2024 was so high.

And ironically, I actually had to double check this. It's funny. They had the same record each year. Texans went 10 and 7 and won the AFC South. Both of the last years. And they won to play. playoff game, each of the last two seasons. And yet Stroud's rookie year, we're going to look back as this Marvel.

And then Texans last year, frankly, came way closer to making the NFC championship game than they did the year before. The Texans really had the Chiefs on the ropes and kind of blew it. But it's funny to think how differently we perceive the two years. And Bobby Slowick, the offensive coordinator goes from head coaching candidate to fire it in one year. So the Texans just kind of blow up their offensive line room. They swap everything out.

But going into this year, it's like you have Nico Collins. You know, Tank Dell is probably his career has been derailed. He's not going to play this year probably. But you have Christian Kirk. You have two receivers from Iowa State. They drafted, you know, Jalen Newell and Jaden Higgins. You know, you have Joe Mixen. They signed a job.

I don't know how much he's going to play. But overall, like, I just going to the season, I think the shine has kind of come off Stroud. And I think it's a huge mistake. I think that Stroud actually played pretty similarly in a weird way than he did the year before, but the offensive line was a mess. And overall, the rookie year was uglier than people think. And I think last year wasn't as bad as people remember.

And I'm super in on the Texans, this season. And I think the Texans, like, defense is ready to win Super Bowl, but if the offense can come to, which is a small if, you know, you never want to just assume an offensive line comes back together. But I don't think they can play worse. And I think last year was sell the,

sell the peak. This year is, I think, by the dip on C.J. Stroud, real life, and in fantasy. Yeah. I mean, I'm still very confident that C.J. Stroud is a good quarterback and will have a good career. I just think, it is so interesting because he was clearly just not as confident. He looked shaken at times last year.

And I think a lot of that had to do with just the lack of ability to protect him. He was having to move around and he was having to scramble a whole lot more. His accuracy was not as good. It felt like he was missing guys that he was hitting as a rookie year. So there was just a lot of things that kind of went wrong last year. I think where he is is probably somewhere closer to what he was his rookie year. But I just, I don't know. There's just still a lot of variables here.

I don't know much about this Nick Cayley guy who is now their offensive coordinator, like what type of offense they're going to run, how they're going to fix the issues that they have ball in the offensive line. They totally revamped their offensive line. And so there's just a lot of moving parts with CJ Stroud. So while I am definitely confident that he's a very good player and I'm confident in him as a person, I still don't know exactly what to expect from this offense going forward.

I'm just willing to put this on everyone else. And maybe I'm my guilty sin is just shirking responsibility for quarterback sometimes. But I look at this and like Stroud, I believe, had the highest pressure rate in the NFL. And at one point, he had 52 unblocked pressures, which was the second most of the NFL at one point. Brutal.

It was not Stroud's fault. As somebody drafted, CJ Stroud last year, I watched every goddamn snap. It was a disaster, every passing play. And it was not his fault. And he would still pull amazing plays out of his ass every single week. And you didn't see that in the stat sheet, but watching him play, like,

he was under duress constantly every third and long. I know everyone has been talking about how bad they were in third and long. It was real. Not to mention that Nico Collins was hurt for a month, last year. Tank Dell, obviously missed most of the season. Stefan Diggs tore his ACL. Joe Mixon missed time. The offensive line was in mass. There was a lot going wrong for Houston last year. I totally agree. And also sometimes pressure rates or sacks, you know, sometimes are actually

on the quarterback on the Seahawks, Caleb Williams. Sometimes the quarterback holds onto the ball forever and just can't find a guy and takes a sack. And so you're like, oh, the line's bad. No, well, he's holding the ball on for four seconds. No one can block that long. That's not Strout. Like the offensive line couldn't block. All the pressures are on the goddamn line. And the coordinator, again, they were uncoordinated. And then also just, to Craig's point, like, there's a reason they just blew up the offensive line. But I just

last year, Stroud was going and fan, we were a little lower on him than other people. But Stroud was being drafted last year where Joe Burrow was going to be drafted this year. It was like a top 60 guy. Yeah, that was kind of the expectation. He was going to be like a Joe Burrow type player. Yeah, yeah. And he finished, by the way, as the 28th quarterback. Which is

crazy. But this year, Stroud is the 18th quarterback in fantasy. Like he's behind Drake Bay, Jordan Love, Back fields, Brock Purdy. Some of those guys have rushing upside. But I just look at Stroud and I'm like, again, it's the most obvious by the dip. Fantasy, real life, gambling, whatever you want to do, I just look at this Texans team. The defense is ready.

But I guess to sum it up in one moment, the Texans should have beaten the Chiefs in the playoffs. And they made a lot of mistakes. Stroud made a couple of mistakes too. But there was a ton of issues. But the defense outplayed him. But if I could pick one thing that was representative, George Carl Loftus, the first round defensive end for the chiefs, got three sacks on Stroud. And I believe on all three, he was matched up on tight end,

Colton Schultz. Like, a defensive end on Schultz, that was the problem in a nutshell was it was too easy for the opposing defense to just get the matchups on the defensive line that they wanted

because there was not, the Texans were just, they didn't have answers. They kind of had this received wisdom from the Shanan Tree, but Bobby Sloick didn't know how to solve new problems that he hadn't seen before.

And like, I just, now the new guy is Nick Cayley who came from Tennessee. Maybe he can't either. But I just think this is such an easy buy-the-dip situation frankly from a team that, I mean, should be favored to win the division again.

So I'm all of them. Also, Nick Cayley came from the Rams, not from Tennessee. Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah. Hyphids, you said it, like, I think the reason Sloick was gone, well, there's a lot of reasons he was gone, but like the big one was just lack of ability

to come up with answers for some of the issues that they were having. He just did not have a solution to anything. And I think the protection was a huge thing. So, yeah, I mean, maybe, like, marginally better protection, better plan in terms of what they're doing in protections and,

this could look like a totally different offense. So I'm still very excited about what Stroud can do. Also, like, they invested a lot in the receiver core in the offseason, traded for Christian Kirk, drafted Jaden Higgins, drafted Jalen O'L. So they're pretty deep. At receiver, you know, they have some talent. Obviously, Joe Mixon's there, Nick Chubb.

If he's healthy, he's going to be good. They drafted Woody Marks, who's a good, like, complimentary back. I don't know. Their offense looks like it could improve quite a bit. I think that it's more likely that Stroud is a better, life quarterback and fantasy just because you would really need a lot out of him. You would need kind of like a Joe Burrow-esque season for him to like really pay off. Maybe if he's the 18th quarterback off the board, he'll play good enough to kind of finish around like 10 to 12,

which might be worth it to draft him. But I don't know if the stealing's there just because I think this defense is very good. I don't think they're going to need to score a ton of points. There are still like a lot of like rookies in the receiving room. I think this is like a Stroud's going to be a professional game manager can be a superstar when he needs to. But I don't know if this is going to be like an incredibly high octane like put up 40 points a game because I just don't think the Texans are going to need to do that. However, I would pick the Texans to like come out of the AFC. I think that's a really good point.

Again, I think I think that's also baked into your point. It's why Stratz's the 18th best quarterback. But again, when you get to 18, you're kind of like, this is like your backup. Like I think it's kind of like if you take Justin Fields as you're starting for the upside and then you're like, oh, I guess they need a pocket pass. and you get C.J. Stroud, like, it's really easy. I think the other thing I'll say, to your point, I agree. He's like, you know, I'm not going to say he's like Philip Rivers, but similar to Philip Rivers,

where I don't know Philip Rivers is ever going to be consistently some great fantasy option, but he'll always be around. And it's really, can you distribute the ball enough can make Joe Mixen and Nico Collins and these other guys good fantasy assets? The other thing I'll just say, the last thing I'll say about Stroud, he's 23. Cam Ward is 23.

Like, he's probably, C.J. Stroud will probably continue to get much better. So, like, this is still the very beginning of his career. There's a chance this is the worst we've ever seen him is the last two years. CJ Stroud, one of the prettiest, like, throwers of the football I've seen. He has, like, effortless, like, whip-like motion. I love it. Imagine's how good C.J. Stroud will be when he stops podcasting.

Does he have his own podcast? Well, he stops in clips probably because they sucked. I don't know. I wonder if he got rid of it. Yeah, maybe. Podcast. Did he have one or did he just appear on him? It was him and Michael Parsons on Bleacher Report.

I think Micah did sumo wrestling. They did a lot. They did a lot of content. So that draft... He just needs to stop like big brothering people at midfield after the game. Oh my God. I got a little big for his britches a little bit, you know?

Just a wee bit. Keep at it. He'd be out there with like Justin Herbert midfield and like grab the back of his neck and whisper something in his ear. I'm like, hey, we can't be doing that. We can't be doing that. I forgot about that.

So Stroud is the guy, I think, you know, from that 20-20th through draft that we fully believe in. And then there is Anthony Richardson, the quarterback from the Indianapolis cults. Slightly different career trajectory for this guy. His career in a nutshell, I guess, is probably what we should have expected

based on his amount of experience in college. He's one of the least experienced throwers of the football. It's kind of gone exactly how it should have. Right, right. So the early, I would say the early returns were pretty encouraging with him. I'd say he was looking pretty good in terms of his pocket, awareness, his ability to move around to the pocket.

his accuracy wasn't great, but I think it wasn't like as worrying as it is now. He was running a lot and he was exciting, but then also he was getting hurt. So like basically early on, I would say there was some reasons to be excited about him as a passer, but he was just, he needed to be way more careful as a runner.

That was like the year one thing. I think you saying his accuracy wasn't great as really polite. Well, I'm talking about year one. Sure. Okay. It wasn't, it wasn't great.

He played 11 quarters in year one. There wasn't a lot to see. Sure. And that's why I think we were more excited about him going into last year. Year two, things absolutely fucking fell apart, to be clear. I'm not saying he's had a good career. His accuracy dropped, dude, his accuracy rate, his completion rate, dropped 12 points from his rookie year,

59 to 47. That's the reverse Josh Allen. Horrible. He was 34th out of 35 quarterbacks that were rated for QB rating, qualified for QB rating. You say 35 out of how many? 34 out of 35 and passing yards per game. Who was worse? I think it was the backup for the Cowboys. What's his name? Cooper Rush?

Cooper Rush. I think I was coming in. He played against the Eagles that tracks. He threw eight touchdowns to 12 picks at 15 turnovers. And obviously that wasn't even the worst of it. It was the leadership issues that kind of started to crop up. Telling the truth. Honestly, like taking himself out of the game.

I know that some people tried to like. A forgotten virtue in today's world. Some people tried to like kind of like brush that off a little bit at the time. I think and I wasn't really sure exactly the way. The further we get. away from it, the more it is the most ridiculous thing we had fights about that. We actually argued about that a lot. Like you took yourself out of game.

You're the starting quarterback because he was tired. I've never seen that from any quarterback ever. So that was like and then of course he got benched right off that. So taking a step back, year one missed a bunch of games to two injuries. He had multiple injuries. Like he was injured every game he played in basically. Year two, he was also injured, took himself out of game, was benched. was injured again later in the game.

And now, going into year three, he'd guess what? Injured again, shoulder injury, which the indefinite amount of time for that to heal. When they signed Daniel Jones, I was like, that's perfect because he's not actually going to threaten to start. I'm sorry to think Daniel Jones might be the starter for this year. I think three weeks ago I said on this show that, like, oh, Richards is going to start. I'm into it. Dude, I think Daniel and Jones is going to play week one. It's looking grim.

So I'm shocked. So there's a couple, there's a lot of this that shocks me, but to your point about the health. One, that's the biggest question about Richards. We don't even know if he can play yet. Like there's so much to talk about his game growing. It's not even worth talking about. Chris Ballard, the GM, said at his end of season press conference, we need to see Anthony Richardson.

Like, we have no idea if he can play 17 games in a row. Like, I will literally pull it up. The exact quote is, oh, no, I lost it. Oh, he said, I lost it. It doesn't matter. The point is he was like, I don't know if he could play 17 games in a row. We need to see Anthony on the field. The catch-22 with him is he's best what he's running.

But he needs to stop running. because he needs to get better as a passer. Because when he's running, he gets hurt. But when he's passing, he sucks at passing. So it's like, I don't know. What do you do with him? So there's two things. You bench him.

Yeah, you bench him. But you've used the fourth pick on him. Chris Ballard said, I regret playing him as Ricky Year. John Dorsey, who has a longtime guy's been all over the league, was told Chris Ballard, don't play it the first year. And they played him like very quickly into the season. And Chris Ballard was like, that was a mistake because he has a, basically a good quote of just basically

there were all these things we were projecting on Anthony that we needed him to develop. But there's one quote where I'm like, I can't believe, I think if we made a mistake in the Richardson evaluation, obviously we identified the lack of experience. Like ESPN had this good stat that the only first round quarterbacks, not top, first round quarterbacks that had fewer past attempts

in college in the last 40 years than Anthony Richardson were Trey Lance and Michael Vick. And that is exactly what we were promised. And guess what? Richardson's not fucking Michael Vick. So that I think we knew. but the one I couldn't believe that I found this season

is Stephen Holder at ESPN had a good story and it was Billy Napier who's the coach at Florida for Anthony Richardson and he gave this quote in March before the draft on what does Anthony Richardson

need to improve now before I say that what a coach is usually say about what is a quarterback need to improve or whatever like about a guy to get drafted like yeah you know

like non-ansors his college coach said Anthony he's growing as a leader having conviction with his voice speaking with clarity to be kind of the standard bearer for the entire organization. That's what his college coach said Anthony Richardson needed to work on a month before the draft.

And then we see everything that's happening with the Andrewsson where he's not working out with receivers all the time and basically not putting in the work ethic because he's 21. I didn't really understand what needed to be done. And yeah, I guess I'm kind of just blown away in retrospect that we're surprised. I mean, I guess this is probably just, just a rhetorical question, but like,

how does the wind total move if Daniel Jones is the starter over Richardson? Has to be up. Right? I would think. Has to be up. I mean, Daniel Jones can play quarterback. Even though I'm not confident in Daniel Jones to be clear,

but like he can, I feel like he has a better chance of running like a coherent offense, I guess. Yeah. And also it's like the Colts are not lacking for talent at the skill positions. They just drafted Tyler Warren, Michael Pittman, Josh Downs, Alec Pearson, A.D. Mitchell are good role players. I think there's people that are still bullish on A.D. Mitchell,

even though he didn't really do anything as a rookie, just like the way that you look at he's running around. Jonathan Taylor. Jonathan Taylor is one of the best pure runners in the game. They've historically had a good offensive line, though they lost a couple starters in the offseason. I don't know, and good play caller and stiking. And so, yeah.

It seems like Richardson needs to just sit for a year and maybe end up just, like, changing teams. But he just needs to sit for a year and, like, get healthy in practice and, like, learn from a veteran. We're being very negative about this. And I think part of that is, like, he's not practicing now again.

and it's like the shoulder injury. He went to see Neil Eletrosh again. That's the best surgeon in the world. We're feeling very negative about it because of these recent, in addition to everything else. But now we're like, oh, God, here we go again with the injuries.

I'm starting to worry his career is just going to be the Trey Lance thing. So, yeah, I don't know. I still want to believe because, man, he's really fun when he's on. And like, he's made some of the craziest throws.

I remember, I think it was last year early in the season, he made one of the craziest throws ever. Yeah, it was week one. Yeah. So he's very obviously very physically talented. We were saying. But Richardson's played 15 games. He's missed 12 games with a shoulder injury,

missed one game of the concussion, missed two games for an oblique, two games with back spasms, also was benched because he was tired. And that when you put it all together, I'd be tired too with all those injuries. I know. But yeah, he's going to see, again, he had shoulder surgery two years ago with Neil El-A-Troche. He's the best surgeon in America. He's the guy did Kobe's Achilles.

Like, he's the guy. So, show-h-h-h-tona, yeah. Like, literally. So it's, that would indicate this is a serious thing. Two seasons ago. Right. So he went back for Rodgers as Achilles. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's like the next year, at the end of this season, Chris Ballard, the GM says, Anthony Richardson's going to this offseason healthy. Now Anthony Richardson is not throwing at OTAs and is going back to Neil Lelotrosh. And there was like no timetable. And I'm like, yeah. So your shoulder is getting worse. You're 23 years old.

Like, I don't know. Let's like suspend that for a second because maybe by the time this podcast plays, He's been cleared to throw. What do you guys feel? How are you feeling about everything if he gets cleared and he's like, his shoulder's fine. We're going into this year as his starter. Like what are your expectations if that all kind of like puts stays together? Statistically, like for fantasy or as a fan of the Colts?

Let's do both. I think fantasy wise, if he runs a lot, he obviously has a lot of upside. But like that's my fear is that you're not going to run him a lot because they're afraid of injuries. At this point, fantasy is a lottery ticket. And I think it requires almost delusion to think that, real life, his success this season is anything other than like a hope. Sure. And like last year, I remember we had a big argument about what tier Anthony Richardson should

be in. And it was like, is he in tier one or tier two? And so, you know, this year he's going to be free. So it's, you know, it's a completely different situation. You could probably spend five bucks on him and get him this year. So I guess in that regard, it's worth it. But no. I mean, he shouldn't, he's not a starting quarterback.

Like we joke about all he's fun though when he's healthy, blah, blah, blah. If you actually zoom out a little bit, like, you think Anthony Richardson can win two playoff games on a good team? Like, what are we talking about? The real answer is the course we're currently on, and again, I'm not giving up on anyone again. I'll keep talking about Bryce Young.

We're going to talk about next. But like, I'm not giving up on anyone. But the course we're currently on is Anthony Richardson literally is the last quarterback who enters the draft who could have transferred and stayed in NIL and just got paid and stay in college because, like, the NFL's not going to necessarily

take shots on these, like, wildly inexperienced guys, they'd actually rather you go back to school. And Richardson will just be this like pre-NIL, cautionary tale, frankly. That's currently the path we're on. He's just forever. But yeah, you don't want to give up on anyone because of this next guy, Bryce Young, for the Panthers, which, oh my God. What a roller coaster. It really is.

It's like insane what happened at the end of last year. I mean, Bryce Young, the whole thing was crazy. He's the smallest, he's the shortest quarterback ever taken first, the latest one. Heather Murray's height, 20 pounds lighter. And it seemed like the Panthers coach at the time, Frank Reich wanted C.J. Stroud and the owner David Teper kind of came in and was like, we're taking Bryce Young. And they traded up and they did the trade with the Bears. Because of that test.

Yeah, because of the test. The S2 test. I don't know how much that mattered, but maybe David Teper cared. But C.J. Stroud flew overnight. And basically had a red eye. It took this test and bombed it. And then turned out to be like the best processing rookie we'd see it in three years. So whatever.

Test. Yikes. So this app, Panthers Start 1 and 12. It was horrific. And Bryce Young didn't look super like an NFL. quarterback and everything's fired. He's just walking around with his backpack. Oh, my God. He's going to,

like a middle schooler. Go to his first day of sixth grade. And we love... He had the wheelie backpack, had the wheels on it. It was tough. And we love Meena Kimes, but she didn't do him any favors

because there's a photo where Mina looked taller than Bryce Young, which like, maybe that was the angle and wrong, but I can't, like, you couldn't unsee it. Right.

You know, like, this guy plays the same sport as like, I don't know. Even his name. It was literally, yeah. His name's Price Young. Like, Looks like an eighth grader.

He was in the same class as Richardson. He's like standing next to Anthony Richardson. It's like, wow. Yeah, we were at the combine and we're like, you know, I kind of get the whole just taking big guys thing. So year two happens and he looks worse. Brayshund looked like the single worst quarterback in the NFL and two weeks happened. I had to double check this because I couldn't believe it. The Panthers were outscored in the first two weeks by 60 points.

I mean, they looked like the most inept team. Yeah. I think if you told me like, hey, you need to put your mortgage on one quarterback for sure being terrible. Yeah. That's currently starting in the NFL. Like I might have picked Bryce Young. Yeah.

Bryce Young, I think you absolutely would. Like, he just didn't look like an NFL player. Stephen Reeves, who's a Panthers fan here at the ringer, tortured Panthers fan just put out a, he kept putting out funny things of Brayshund kind of jumping to do checkdowns.

Like Bruchin couldn't see over his line. It was horrific. And then so they bench him for Dave Canales, coach benches him for Andy Dalton, and he Dalton. And then just one of the weirder sliding. doors. Andy Dalton gets in a car crash and everyone's okay, but Andy Dalton hurts his thumb. So Bryce Young plays. And then Bryce Young comes back and just looks like he did at Alabama and kind

of, and D.K., you said it best. Like, I kind of forgot why I ranked him so high until he started playing like this. And then he's like, oh, he had swagger back. Like, he started playing like he wasn't thinking anymore. I don't know. I don't know. It's like honestly like he just decided is like, I don't have anything to lose at this point. Like I'm just going to go out there play or something. Confidence is such a big deal. And that's, again, another reason, like, vibes are so important. So when, when, when, when, he was drafted. I remember I had him like second. It was not like I had him draft. I had him ranked lowly. I just had Stroud first. But

coming into the league, there's reason there's plenty of reasons to believe he was going to be good, right? Like what he did at Alabama. He was really elusive, creative, you know, things like that. But then when he started playing, you're like, oh, now I realize why we don't bet on outliers. He was like an all-time outlier. Don't bet on terms of size and, you know, strength, just overall, his by-time. He's skinny and short, right? Like, he's small.

And, like, there's other short guys that have succeeded, Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, but both of them are, like, thick. They're really muscular. But they were outliers in the other sense that Kyler Murray was athletic enough that he was drafted in ninth in Major League Baseball. Like, his athleticism was hand-eye, all this stuff, is also an outlier. So, yeah, so basically back to what you said is, like,

his first year, I'm like, oh, okay, now I see why you don't bet on outliers. But then you start to doubt, like, what was I see? Why did I even believe any of this shit? David Temper felt the same way. Why did the pan- Why did most teams have him drafted over Seagestrade? I don't know if that's actually true,

but that's what I think the narrative was. And so... He looked like a seventh round pick, not someone who teams had a first-up game. Worse than Josh Rosen, who was completely lost. And then everything he did last year, I was like, oh, okay, now I remember why I liked him.

And he came back, and this is publicly reported, so I don't feel bad talking about, but like Tyrese maxi on the Sixers, was like dating Bryce's Young's girlfriend at the same time. He was playing horribly to start the season. I don't think there was coach. I don't know if the coaching staff necessarily

believed in him in tons. So I think honestly what changed is, I think the, you know, professional death experience, like, near death experience where he gets benched and, you know, again, all these guys is the first time they've had that kind of adversity for anyone that good. So, but just to put a button on like how different it was. From when Bryce Young started his rookie year

week one, or began the year of his rookie year 2023 to benching in 2024. Panthers were dead last in points. And when he came back, they were 15th. Like, they went from the worst team in the league to average on offense. And there's a bunch of other ones, but I think that just kind of sums it up. And the other one to me is the Panthers were the after, in games, Jalen Hertz

played the whole game. The team that actually came closest to beating Philadelphia in the final three months was the Panthers. Like Bryce Young hit Xavier Legat for a game winning touchdown with under a minute left in his chest wide openings, they really get dropped it. Bryce Young let a 98-yard touchdown drive really get dropped the touchdown.

But that is the only team that really almost beat the Eagles with Jalen Hertz. So, like, they were competitive. And then now they've added Ted McMillan at receiver, and then they just give up a ton of, they added a ton of defensive players

to this defense that gave up the most points ever. But yeah, it's like, Bryce Young, huge snipsnap year. So it's interesting to see if he still has that swagger in 2025. It's one of the coolest stories in sports because it just goes to show you how there's just like so much more going

on beneath the surface, like, and like, why, why human beings perform well or not well? And I even feel like Bryce coming out, like, obviously he had the physical limitations, but there were some people who were in on him who were just like, I don't really know why, but I just am. Like, when I watch him, he just kind of has something. He's comfortable. Yeah, he has an X factor to him. I felt that way.

Yeah, that just like, it's an awareness. It's a poise. It's just like an intangible that he just like has. Yeah, loose. He's comfortable. And you felt that. that Eagles game. Like, I still am pretty,

I'm still pretty nervous, I think, to, like, invest in him just because of the physical limitations, just because of how bad it did look. Like, Dave Cadella has benched him. And I'm like, man, that's, it's just, that's just, he was hired to fix him. It's kind of like, it's, yeah,

the guy fired to fix him gave up and two. He's like, ah, fuck this. We got to go back to Dalton. Yeah. I'm like, man, he bent some for Andy Dalton. But I don't disagree that, like, the joy came back in his eyes. Like, he looked different from a behavior.

standpoint. And it manifested physically, right? It manifested physically. But do you guys feel a little bit trepidacious just about like if this is just going to continue and he'll hit the ground running? Or if this is like a, I don't know, he had seven good games. I think it's a good question. And I think I will root for Bryce Young to succeed. And I really want to like the answers. And I will do that from afar. I agree. I agree.

Like personally invest in his success. But I'm rooting for you. But like not like, I'm not going to like help or believe. that much. I will do it in words, not action. I feel the same way. I think the trajectory is looking good, but it is hard to completely forget about how bad he looked before that and that we got to this point right now based on an act of God, like do sex mock. And that like, like fucking Andy Dalton broke his thumb in a car crash. That's the reason he played. He probably wasn't going to even play last year. Or if he did, it was going to be really late in the season. This is why I can't give up in Richardson is I think, I don't know if anyone has. I don't know if anyone has

I don't know if the collective football world, both people who, like, in coaching, in the NFL, in who are paid to analyze football and general fans have ever been so consensus out on a player like Bryce Young, probably since like Josh Rosen, was the last time we were all so quickly out on a player that had been taken in the top 10. Yeah.

Yeah. And, well, you know. Yeah. It strikes me as like, you know, there's always these stories about teams who, you know, again, they spend millions of dollars. They do all this research. They do basically, you know, like spy work.

They're going in and talking to people in his life and talking to his coaches and getting all the dirt on a guy. They spend months doing this scouting, sometimes years, scouting these guys. And then quarterback's definitely years. They show up at the first practice and you're like, oh, we fucked this up. You know what I mean? Like immediately, you know they're like, oh, that is, this is not going to go well. Which is why I think you say all the time. Like, if these guys were allowed to just come to a team and like practice for today.

Dude, if you literally like, I believe Apple for job interviews, they have you in a meeting. And they're just like, because, you know, one-on-one, but they're like, how are you in a group of like eight people? Yeah. And they actually observe you just how you interact with other people. And then there's, yeah, Dika, you always, there's always a story of the third rounders that just show up and like, fuck, he sucks. Like immediately. And they know day one. And like usually it's not with the first pick in a quarterback.

No. But like, I felt like that was like kind of close to what happened is like, immediately for everyone was like, oh, he does not belong in the NFL. But the union, the NFL would never let this happen. But it is so funny to me that if they, the job and you're like, oh, the travel. so hard. They would do a lot better if they could just have them practice with the team for three days. They would go from 50-50 the first round to like two-thirds with like that one change. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that sums it up, Craig, which is like the expectation is like they shouldn't be the worst team in the NFL. But for fantasy, it's like, I hope that Price and Ted McBillan are good.

I'm not like targeting them unless basically this year like, well, the defense is going to be bad, maybe they're getting shootouts. But I still don't want to watch this team. Watch from afar is a good way to put it. a far. Root from afar. Yeah, I'll root from afar for Breast Young. All right, next guy here. We're going back one more year here.

Running it back again. Don't care. This person's 25, so I don't care. Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville Jaguars, who I think is approaching the age of cutoff for being a young quarterback because we've seen a lot of them. He's almost as young as Bo Nix. He's 25 and guess what? My cutoff was Tyler Shuck is 25 and Tyler Shuck is Trevor Lawrence's peer.

So if Tyler Shuck could be a rookie, we could talk about Trevor Lawrence and the young quarterback check-in. So, Craig. What's up with Trevor Lawrence? Because honestly, it's another roller coaster. Yeah, you know, he's a tricky one because he's a wily one, that T. Law. Because he's the most recent guy who was supposed to be the next guy. Yeah.

And it didn't work. And it hasn't worked yet, really. And I would say, similar to Herbert, there is like a collection of people in the Trevor Lawrence cult who are like, you guys don't get it. he still has it. He's just had no worse situations for four straight years, which it began with Urban Meyer, which was a calamity, and we can throw that out. Then they bring in Doug Peterson. It went okay year two. They went nine and eight. Trevor Lawrence took a huge step. He had 25 touchdowns, eight picks, and it looked like the building blocks were there of a guy who was on his way to becoming what we all thought he would be.

They had that crazy playoff game where he threw four interceptions against the Chargers. And they came back at one. And then year three comes around. And I would say year three and four are similar in that. This was when the supporting cast was really deteriorated. The offensive line wasn't great. And Trevor Lawrence himself was just like hurt a lot. And it was not great and it was a mess.

And I think clearly the scheme and the fit of what Doug Peterson was doing, I don't think meshed that well with Trevor Lawrence. And being injured, you know, starts to exacerbate some of the problems. and he played through a lot of stuff, and it all went poorly. And then he signed a five-year, $275 million contract after year four when he went two and eight with the team. And now they brought in Liam Cohen,

and they did a complete overhaul. They brought in Jimmy Stones, James Gladstone, as their GM. Jimmy Stones. Tewy House of Jimmy Stones. Yeah, they traded up. Jimmy Stones. They traded a first round pick to move up three spots to draft Travis Hunter.

They drafted a running back in Basial Tutin. They brought in Di Amy Brown, the wide receiver. They've made some offensive line moves. They've been a terrible running game since he's been there. A lot of it has been really, really bad. So the question has always been like, how much of it is Lawrence?

How much of the blame pie is Lawrence first everything else? And I do think now coming in with Liam Cohen, similar to a couple of the guys we have talked about in the second year quarterback like the Caleb. Like this kind of needs to work for Trevor, I think. like he needs to be good. And I think what's interesting about him is he's got all the tools. He's almost like, and I think this is why he's going to work with Liam Cohen, because

hear me out, I almost think Trevor Lawrence, we should think of him more as just like a souped-up Sam Dardle, where it's like a giant canon that it's like, just point him in the right direction and tell him where to fire. And if you can do that, I think it could really work because he's pretty volatile. He has a tendency to make bad decisions and he's a little bit all over the place. but the physical tools that he has are great. And what Liam Cohen did with Baker Mayfield and what other coaches have done

with somebody like Sam Darnold coming from similar systems, I think that is actually more of what Liam Cohen can do with Trevor Lawrence, where it's like you actually kind of slot him into this McFay, Shanahan-style offense, and kind of just load him into the cannon and point and shoot him rather than tell him to like run the offense like you're Peyton Manning.

I agree, and I am very bullish in Trevor. Lawrence, but I'm also, I'm not biased, but I feel biased because I just feel so strongly about it. Do you, do you agree that Lauren, this Lawrence, Liam Cohn thing is going to work? Yes, I do think it's, I mean, there's a reason that they went so hard to try and bring Liam in. Obviously, they, what was the timeline? They tried to hire him. So Liam Cohen was, like, I'm not going to interview there because of the GM.

He said, thanks, but no thanks. And then they went to Trent Balky, who's the little finger, resputin, of the Jacksonville, Jaguars. He balked at bulky. And so they fired Shambalky and then Liam Cohn took the job. And then Liam Cohen was like, all right, fine, I'll come over. By the way, is it bulk or balk? I don't have to figure that out.

Is the L there in the pronunciation or no? There were a lot of else. I don't think you say balk. He balked. It's balked. Like in baseball, you balked. There was an L. Be okay.

Baseball box are also, you're right. I don't even say that in baseball. I'm not the pronunciation guy. But it's one of the weirdest rules in any sport is, balking, balking. It's just a vibe. Yeah, it's a false start in baseball. It's a false start, but the definition of false start in the NFL is, well, did you move before the snap?

And in baseball, it's like, it's purely just, it felt like you weren't supposed to do that. Yeah, yeah. It kind of looked like you were going to pitch. It looked like you were going to throw a pitch. Anyway. But yeah, so I think obviously they went to great lengths to bring in Liam Cohen. They seem as very valuable. They fired their GM so they could hire.

him, which was the right decision, I think, objectively. Regardless of how Liam Kohn does, I think it was a good thing for the organization. I think, yeah, to me, I'm like, I like Trevor Lawrence. I like what they've done this offseason. Travis Hunter is a really exciting player. Brian Johnson, sorry, Brian Thomas Jr. looks like, you know, a future superstar in the league. And the team is going in the right direction. I just, it's hard to kind of shake the idea that the Jags, like, it's just in their

DNA to like be a fucking circus. Oh, you're going that route. You're going like the Jags will always be Jags. This is in the back of my mind as well. I think it's a thing, man. It's a thing. Like, it's the Jets. It's the Yeah, but we said that about the lions, the Bengals. Washington. Washington. It happens until it does it. I know, it can be turned around, but like this is year what for Lawrence five?

Yeah. And we still think this is the year? Oh, I was going to ask, do you think the contingent of like diehard supporters of Lawrence is strong? than any other quarterback that people waffle on. Like, there's the Herbert Colt, there's Lawrence. I don't know, the Kyler one used to be strong. I feel like that's gotten softer. But, like, which quarterback that hasn't lived up to expectations

has the strongest supporters still to this day, you think, right now in the league? You think it's Lawrence? I think Lawrence. Yeah. It's almost like a religion. Yeah. You know? I don't know, but I think that's a nerd internet thing.

Like Tua? Tua's divisive. Oh, that's a good one. a, can I give a controversial one? Okay. Dak Prescott. Which is who has existed in every corner of the conversation. He was the Russell Wilson most underpaid, most valuable player in the NFL.

And then there was the Carson Wentz comparison where they're like, Wence is better than Dak. And then he wasn't. And then Dak got way better. And then Dak's good. My God, I forgot about the Dak Wentz stuff. Oh, that was brutal. Yeah.

Now Dak is just like one of the preeminent, I don't want to call him Peyton Manning, but there's the Peyton Manning archetype of I'm an old school quarterback and I'm going to be in shotgun and I'm going to do everything for the line and all these things that, you know, Hertz isn't necessarily doing. So, but yeah, there are guys that people just will defend to the death. There is a group of people out there, like real football heads who are like, no, no, DAC is actually like one of the best. Yeah.

Like, he's on that, like, Stafford path of like your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback, like, Dak at the line of scrimmage, like, what he can actually do. I mean, I kind of think he didn't win the MVP in 2023 just because he was Dak Prescott. And I kind of think he should have. You still love that one. So I don't know. I think there's like the reason I said some religion is like there's a level of faith

you have to have, a leap of faith, if you will, that Trevor Lawrence is going to finally elevate this team and turn into the promise. Well, no, it's Liam Cohen is going to elevate this team. Sure. Someone's going to elevate it. Can I just say one thing? Liam Cohen made Will Levis into a starting quarterback because Will Levis played so well under Liam Cohen that everyone just was like, sure, you can be in the NFL.

That was in college. I know. I'm just saying that, I think. Like college is a totally different fucking thing. I know, but I'm just saying Liam Cohen, I feel like there are so many guys that go through the Sean McVeigh factory. Like the, honestly, we should just call it this Derek Zoolander, the Sean McVeigh school for coaches who can't coach good. Just like everyone just goes through there and just becomes like a coach factory. And I think Liam Cohen's one of the few people were, McVeigh went to Liam Cohen for ideas.

Like that, like Liam, like, Sean McVeigh saw what Lee was doing college. William Cohen is actually the brains behind McVeigh in fact. No, but I'm just saying. that, like, Liam Cohen is, I, it is very hard to parse which coordinators will become good head coaches. Very hard. I know, I know. But I am more confident that, like, Ben Johnson, we all want to believe that Ben Johnson's going to be. But in reality, it's hard to figure it out.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I just keep thinking of, like, going back to when Doug Peterson was hired to replace Urban Meyer. And we were, I can't, I'm trying to remember specifically, but it feels like people were pretty high on that decision. Like, oh, he's really good with quarterbacks. he's going to design it. He's an adult in the room. Three years earlier. He's this QB whisperer.

He's going to figure everything out. Trevor Lawrence is finally going to be who he was supposed to be. And so I'm hesitant to do that again with Liam Cohen because I felt like we were doing the same shit with Doug Peterson a couple years ago. And then, you know, when Doug Peterson gets in here, everyone's complaining about attention to detail. All this stuff is like we got receivers running into each other on routes, blah, blah, blah. Like it just, I don't know. So that's why I'm a little hesitant. That's not to say nothing to do with what Liam.

Cohen has actually done in his career. I'm just saying they come there there's a similar vibe in terms of the way that we talk about Liam Cohen and how we talked about Doug Peterson when he was hired. That is undeniable. I'll give you that. But I, but that being said, I'm still high on Liam Cole. I still like what the Bucks have done, what the Bucks did last year was awesome. Like generally speaking, I think it's going to be awesome. But I'm a little hesitant. I'm like, I'm not quite ready to take that leap of faith yet. I also kind of think that I don't know. I, I don't know if a supporting cast for Jacksonville is, like, that cool. I think Travis Hunter is carrying, like, a pretty heavy load for, like, the Jags vibes on offense.

Like, they're running back suck. Outside of Travis Hunter and Brian Thomas, like, there's nothing going there. Like, the tight end situation is, like, basically zero. I know people like Brenton Strange. People, D.K. loves Brent and Strange. Yeah, D. It's super athletic. Let's suck a lot. Strange guy.

The offensive line is, like, not that good. I'm kind of, you know, it would be, if you look at the Bucks last. year with Liam Cohen. Like, they have a great offensive line. They have two awesome wide receivers. Like, I don't know. I think there was capable running backs. Bucky Irvin turned out to be great.

Like, I think there was, there's more to work with in Tampa than there is now in Jacksonville. Yeah, and I think there's going to be certain similarities that the Jags offense has with the Rams like Diami Brown is certainly going to play like a two-two out will roll. And then Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter like should be awesome on offense. I mean, Jamie Brown ain't on the team or is the other team. Diami Brown.

That was like one of their signatures. I mean, that was one of the ones where I was kind of skeptical. of Duky Hauser, the 34-year-old GM. Right, right, right. We signed Tommy Brown to a one-year deal for $10 million, which didn't make any sense to me. But I still can't believe they treated up a first-run pick to go get Travis Hunter. I love Travis Hunter so much.

And I'm like, well, that better work now. The Jags schedule, it doesn't look super great for them. So starting out the season, they play the Panthers, which is fine. Like, they could probably win that one. I'm guessing they'll be favored in that game. Then they get the Bengals at the Bengals against the Texans, at the Niners, which I guess I don't know. Maybe the Niners aren't what they used to be,

but they're still, I think, vastly better. Then the Chiefs, then the Seahawks, then the Rams. So, like, by week seven, what are we thinking here is a record? Like, two and five? To be honest, I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if they were three and four. But I think realistically, we just need by the end of the season, Trevor Lawrence to look like anything we thought Trevor Lawrence would look like. Like, if we're being honest, I don't think the Jaguars need to, like, win the division this year.

I mean, they could, I guess. But in reality, The second half of their year is much easier. I also look at this team, though. I think there's an element of the Bears last year where it's easy to be like, oh, my God, the Jags' offense, Lawrence, Brian Thomas, Travis Hunter, and then ignore the running backs. But the offensive line, I think it's in a way the opposite because the bears,

we ignore the interior. And the Jaggs kind of addressed the interior because they got Robert Hainesie, who was the center with Liam Conan Tampa Bay, and he signed. And they got Patrick McCarrie from Baltimore. Who's okay? Like, he's an improvement. He's not necessarily amazing. But the Jacks have these weird tackles.

They have like Walker Little who replaced Cam Robinson and I think played like three or four games. They signed into an extension. The old GM, balky, balked. And I don't know if Walker Little's, I guess he's an average left tackle, but he played four games. He got hurt. So left tackle quietly might not be solved. And then Anton Harrison's fine at right tackle. But I don't know.

I'm interested to see what happens with this line. Overall, I am very bullish on this team. But yeah, maybe I'm just like out. maybe I'm just being silly about Trevor Lawrence. Looking at Lawrence specifically, though, I'm still in and I just, he is frustrating at times. I think he escapes, actually, because of Jacksonville's not hot takey.

If Trevor Lawrence was playing like he was in Dallas, people, Trevor Lawrence would be like this lightning rod player. You know what I mean? But the Jags are so forgettable and easy to just kind of like out of sight out of mind that in a weird way, I think Trevor Lawrence was a bigger topic in Clemson than he has been in the NFL. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I like Lawrence. I'm just like, again, it just feels, like deja vu all over again with the way that we're talking about it's like this is the time it's actually going to work I really do want it to work and I believe it could but I'm um you know just cynical a little bit in the back of my mind but like of all the guys we've talked about today stroud anthony richardson Bryce young and now Trevor Lawrence if one of those guys was going to be like the QB six this year Lawrence it's Lawrence Lawrence Lawrence maybe it's Stroud but but I mean don't

forget Liam Cohen and the box last year like Chris Godwin was leading the NFL catches I like that's the other thing you know who else we I went number one in the NFL draft and then people weren't sure about and then when he was 27 was really good was Baker fucking Mayfield. Like Baker Mayfield was revived. I don't know Dave Cannell's did that too. But the point is, like, we just saw, like, the production

is crazy. Baker Mayfield's career is wild. It is, yeah. If you can count college, I think he was eight offenses in 10 years or something. He was basically out of the league. He was running scout team stuff on the Panthers. He's another example. I know I'm a broken record, but he's another example why I just

don't want to give up on quarterbacks where it's like he went to the Browns and the Brown suck and maybe this point. But Baker was 30. Baker, the first pick in the draft and Baker kind of found his way, basically at 28, Baker resuscitated his career. And so I just, like, I look at Trevor Lawrence, he's 25. And if NFL teams are sitting here and saying Tyler Shuck at 25, he's the same fucking age as Trevor Lawrence, still is a shot after seven years in college, I just look at

Trevor Lawrence and I'm like, I still think it's there. And I'm like, yeah, he's still making bad decisions. He's still doing all this stuff. I think that the aggressiveness is there, which is good. There are certain decisions he makes where he just seems like he's either seeing the field wrong. He's not as accurate as I, his deep accuracy is awesome. But the middle, there's certain things where he's inaccurate and clean pockets, which is strange sometimes. He is too old for that.

But I still, but everything you say that, like, well, that's fixable. Like post-nap decision making. Like, I don't know. Again, I believe. But is it weird that there's been two number one pick quarterbacks in the last, I guess, seven years in Baker and Bryce Young that were basically like out of the league. And if it wasn't for like a freak car accident or like a bunch of injuries on the Rams, like these guys just like might have not been playing quarterback anymore.

You never get a chance again. And now they're just starting quarterback's in the league. But life is certain. I mean, yeah, life is weird. I mean, that's also why Dave Canales was hired to be the Panthers coach is because Baker Mayfield's short and he fixed Baker Mayfield and he went number one. And the Panthers literally just called the guy who fixed the last short number one quarterback. Like sometimes like.

I mean, look at Gino Smith. Same deal. Like, he was the backup for, like, seven years. And then he finally got his opportunity to do it again. I think the flip side, the interesting conversation is, which quarterbacks do you believe could have made it if they had been given another chance of things had gone slightly differently? Because I think it's, like, obviously it's a long list.

Like, Baker, we were so out on Baker. Darnold, all these guys, I think there are certainly other players that we probably could have been good. Someone throughout, I forget who, someone throughout Tim Couch as being a guy, maybe that was Nate. But someone threw at Tim Couch. as being like, Tim Couch probably would have succeeded if it wasn't the expansion Cleveland Browns.

David Carr for the Texans. I think maybe. I think that was Dane Brugler who threw that one out. I remember that conversation. I'm still holding space for Kenny Pickett. Are you? Do you want me to read some Kenny Fickett facts? The sort, the sort.

Kenny the sort picket. Matt Canada. There were moments. Where's Matt Canada these days? What's he up to? Costco? I don't know. There was a...

Costco. There were some fourth quarters with Pickett early on in his career. Yeah, I remember that. I googling Matt Can at a job. Oh, is he at the University of Maryland? He's the office coordinator of Maryland.

Yeah. What about, what about Shane, are we live Waldron? Where's he? I don't believe he got a job. He's the passing game coordinator for the Jags. Uh-oh. Are you serious?

Fuck. Oh, no. Well, that is a perfect button to this conversation. All right, well, out on the Jags. because he was with Liam Cohen in L.A., I bet. Yeah, I take back everything I said. This is not going to work. This is over.

Yeah, they overlapped in L.A. together. Yikes. Well, we'll revisit that in August. Let's take that back. I can't wait for Liam Cohen to be fired in week nine, and Shane Waldron is the head coach of the team. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm out.

That's great. All right, D.K., the other guy here at 2021 NFL draft, Justin Fields, who the, I mean, fun, trivia fact, the Giants, had the eagles, giants, and cowboys were all picking in a row. And the giants tipped their hand. They wanted Devonty Smith. So the Eagles jumped the giants to take Devonty Smith.

Giants were so pissed they had Devonty Smith. They trade back with the bears. The bears take Justin Fields. The giants take Cadarius Tony and then the Cowboys take Michael Parsons. Wow. So the giants literally took Cadarist Tony instead of Michael Parsons. But that was so the bears would take. Yeah.

Not that I think about it. Anyway, that's why they had to take Abdul Carter because you know, do that again. But that's just. Fields went to the Bears 11th, 2021. And now he's on the Jets. Yeah. To me, he's a good example of

the difference between college football and the NFL and like the margins and the windows that you have in the NFL are just so much smaller. You have to do everything so much faster. And processing speed can be kind of hard sometimes to scout. Because like, how do you scout? Oh, how fast is he processing? You know what I mean? Because a lot of college

court, a lot of college systems are pretty regimented like one read, get the ball out, two reads, get the ball out, whatever. And I think when I think of the Justin Fields career, he's just straight up too slow as a processor to succeed as an NFL passer. Like, he just does everything too slow. He drops back too slow. He looks too slow. Like, you know what I mean? The ball is not coming out quickly. His throwing motion is a little slow.

His throwing motion is a little slow. Everything is just slow. He has a really good arm. He's an amazing athlete. And I think, you know, the tools, like we talk about the tools. He has amazing tools. But the processing speed, I think that's. like the difference between a like a playable, a startable quarterback and a backup.

And I think what we've seen so far in Justin Fields career is unfortunately he just hasn't shown any improvement really in terms of like how quickly he's getting the ball out, how quickly he's processing what's in front of him, being the defense, he drops his eyes. He takes an insane amount of sacks. His sack rate last year was dead last among 39 qualifying quarterbacks. Pressure rate was dead last among 39 qualifying quarterbacks. So what do you do? And 39% success rate last year was 36 out of 39.

So as a- It's traded for like a sixth-th round pick swap, basically, to go from the Bears to the Steelers and solely so it could compete for the job. So this is, I mean, when you look at those numbers, you could talk about all the other stuff, but like wins and stuff, you look at those numbers like, this is why they went to Russell Wilson. And but, however, there is a world that you can build an offense around his talents that I think will be at least interesting,

especially interesting from a fantasy point of view. I don't have any delusions that Justin Field feels is going to go into New York and turn the jets around and turn them into like a powerhouse or a playoff team or whatever. But I do think, you know, he's such a fantastic athlete and he's so good in the running game that they can build a pretty cool offense, a pretty interesting offense around his ability to run the ball, read option, rollouts, bootlegs, things like that. He's still pretty good. Like, you know, he can definitely push the ball down the field.

But yeah, I mean, overall, his career has not gone like I had hoped. I was very high on Justin Fields when he came out. And it turns out just like the concerns around his processing speed in college were very valid. And it's just, that's been his, it's just been his Achilles' heel as a quarterback this whole career. And he's like still starter. They still gave him $30 million guaranteed, which is kind of crazy. So that's my question for you, Dika, with everything you just said, I actually think, Isn't it kind of an under the radar weird story that with everything that Justin Fields has done or maybe not done in his career?

It's kind of weird that the Jets just handed him the starting job with no competition. Even Tyraud Taylor, who's the backup, has said, I'm here to support Justin Fields. It's not a competition. Isn't it kind of weird that this is the Jets plan? It's almost under-discuous. There's not a lot of quarterbacks out there. I will say, you know, in Fields' defense, like his career, the way that you start his career, is like how you draw it up to like fail a quarterback right like you got drafted by the bears that's

number one that's strike one uh rookie year matt naggy's the head coach bill lasers the OC second year they fire laser they put him in his first three games were against like the browns when miles garret and the browns team was incredible and then like the bucks coming off that super bowl and they sack them like eight times it's like the two of the three best defenses in the NFL he went from laser to getsy in year two that he had a two year thing with luke Getsy and Matt Eber Fluse. He was traded to the Steelers in year four, like Mike Tomlin, Arthur Smith, year five.

So he's had four OCs and four offensive systems in five years. Like a lot of guys are going to kind of fizzle out and not really develop in that kind of system. I'm not like, I'm not like absolving fields for, for his, what he's struggled with. But like, that is the definition of a bad way to do it.

And so, you know, I don't know, like maybe he'll show some improvement. maybe the system under Tanner Engstrom, who I don't know a ton about, is going to be like really work with him in terms of like speeding up his process,

getting the ball out more quickly. We'll see. All this being said, though, like I'm actually kind of excited to watch the Jets offense because I think the stuff they can do in the run game will be fun. To go back to why,

like why the Jets did this and they just gave him $30 million, it almost feels like they just wanted to prove they didn't need Aaron Rogers. Like, you know, it's like if you're at a bar and your ex is there and you just broke up, you just like make out with somebody

just to show them that you're over them. Like it feels like that. Like, oh yeah, we don't need you. We'll give Justin Fields $30 million. We love him. We think he's better than you actually. You know? And they just like open the corner of the eyes.

Like, they saw that, right? Yeah, like, they made Aaron Rogers fly to New York just to be like, we don't need you. We have Justin Fields. Look how fast he is. He has two Achilles at work. He's 25. How old are you?

The Steelers wanted Justin Fields and they see them making out with the jets. I'm like, shit, I guess he got to hook up with Rogers. Yeah. It feels like this is a move that just like it's a floor razor, but there's no ceiling. Like this is just like a can we win eight, nine games and kind of build a foundation here and then figure it out later. Run the ball. Run the ball. Protect the football.

Prove that we can win in the trenches, play good defense and just like, you know, for the first time in a while, have some like stability on the Jets. And I do feel, and Justin Fields also seems like a likable guy. Apparently the Steelers, players really liked him. Ownership really liked him. He was well liked amongst the team. and so I think this is just a floor-raising move for the Jets, if not that super inspiring. There was like a Thursday football game

or field through for like 350 yards against Washington. The defense was terrible, but it was, I mean, horrific defense at Washington at the time. They were starting flat Stanley and Manuel Forbes, but like there was a moment where you were out of the league. Yeah, I think so. Man, that's crazy. He's a 160-pound defender.

Was he a first-round pick? Second-round pick. 16th overall. Damn. First-round pick. And there were other cornerback. No, he's on the Rams. Oh, he's not out of the league. But, yeah, I mean, your point stands.

He was the 16th pick, and he lasted two seasons with the commander. D.K., like, what's up? They overthought it, man. The whole league, like, everybody, because he probably would have gone. I don't think that he was on the board as a first rounder for other teams. You don't think so? No, I mean, I'm sure two or three, not 20, 30. I think he was a, I think, if I'm remembering correctly, it was like kind of a fringe first rounder.

But, again, that's a don't bet on outliers because I think other teams. look at the guy and you're like, oh, and you're like, well, historically, if 98% of people 160 pounds don't make it, maybe don't be like, well, does that work for anyone else? No, it was like, well, it could work for us. So. It's just crazy. He's been bulking this offseason, guys. He's 165.

I hope so. The irony, too, is like they were just trying to do whatever because that was when there was no ownership in Washington. That was like when everyone was in limbo and everyone was just like trying, there was no quarterback plan. Sam Howells there. Like, no one was like doing anything and it's like, do anything less controversial than that. Just like gaining weight is so.

interesting. Like, if somebody told you you have to put on 10 pounds, a normal person, you'd be like, all right, I'll just eat like shit and I'll get a big gut. Like, it is so hard to be like, if you're a skinny person, like, get hungry on the thunder or something and it's like, gain 10 pounds, but distribute it throughout your entire body with muscle. Because it's muscle and also,

these guys are working out all day. Yes. So like, so like this happened. I remember, I mean, this happens every year and every team. Guys are told to cut or lose weights. I mean, something as simple as if you're going to hand down defensive end and you're going to stand up. And they're like, lose 15 pounds. Or sorry, you're sorry, stand up. You want to get a hand in the dirt, be a D-Lyman. And it's like, like, a Zach Bond for the Eagles, probably a good example of like someone who's had to do this.

Snip, snap, gain weight, lose weight. It's like gained 15, 20 pounds. Dude. And it's like, do you know how much they have to eat? These guys have to eat like chicken breasts and salmon out of their own, like money out of their own pocket. Literally like all day force feed themselves to be working out and cardio as much as they do to gain basically a pound a week in the off season. And with the amount of calories, they're burning, like, exercising, because you need to also exercise to build up the muscle. Like, you can't just eat the food.

It is extremely difficult to, like, put on the seven pounds. Think of seven one pound steaks. Well, this is, yeah, slap that on your body. Tape it. Saran wrap. Well, this is the other reason why offensive linemen all lose weight is it's not just they're like, oh, I'm tired of being like this. I'll just start running marathons, like Alan Fanica.

It's like, they're eating so much that they don't like eating anymore. Totally. Like, it's not fun. My brother-in-law, I mean, this is a much lower scale. My brother-in-law played D3 football, and he was a thin guy. He's like basically my frame. He played offensive line. Oh, my gosh.

And he was probably like 50 or 60 pounds up in college. He hurt his back. He stopped playing college halfway through. And by the time he was like a junior, he had immediately lost all of the 60 pounds and just went right back to his normal weight. That's nuts. The body is insane. It's like you can't reckon, like Joe Thomas. It's just so skinny.

now. Yeah. Anyway, Fields could be like the QB6 though. I think here's what's funny about Justin Fields.

I have a fun little stat for you guys. I think I've said this three years in a row that like Justin Fields whether or not he's good if he's going to play is unbelievable in fantasy.

I've found this stat this is from Tristan Cockroft the ESPN. In 2020... T-bone. In 2022, and this is through 2022, so it's not

updated the last few years. But in 2022, Justin Fields had more fantasy points on rushing plays than any other quarterback in the history of the NFL in the season. He's a fantastic runner, man.

It is like the upside for field. He doesn't have to be a darn old and win 14 games. But if Justin Fields plays well enough that we're like, oh, maybe he's going to be an NFL starter. The upside is if he plays 17 games, Justin Fields joins that top tier of Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Jaden Daniels because Justin Fields could outrun all of them on the ground. I'm not, he's not going to throw for as many touchdowns as Josh Allen.

But it was absolutely a chance that if you're like, wow, I took Joe Burrow or Patrick Mahom's 60th. We have Patrick Mahomes ranked 100th and we're high. Sorry, we have Justin Fields ranked 100th and we're high. Other people on the 115th, 120th. Fields, he's going to start. He might, there are games he plays where he sucks, but like, who's going to get? Don't worry about those. Forget those.

That's dumb. I'm just saying, like, he could, Justin Fields could easily run for a thousand yards this season. Yeah. I don't know if he could join like Jaden and, Lamar because those guys are the combination like Lamar through 40 touches. Fine, that's fair. Justin, you're right, more accurately, he could lead the next tier below them. Yes, yes. And basically the idea is just

trust that you can identify which pocket passer will be next to Joe Burrow. It's like, we wouldn't take Baker Mayfield and assume he does that again. Or Mahomes, you want to take Justin Fields and then take CJ Stroud or Trevor Lawrence for free later. I think it's, the way we talked about Anthony Richardson last year is kind of what Justin Fields could be this year. Yes. That's a great way of putting it. Yeah.

That second tier below the elite kind of four or five. Yeah. And again, we had talked about this last year with Fields, but we didn't know with Russ. And it's like, we kind of know. It's like unless he's horrible, which is possible. Fields has that upside that it's because he's been on so many teams. I think people are discounting.

But I think he's probably going to move up. But even 90th pick and later, you can convince me even higher than that. I think Fields is absolutely worth the gamble. Do you guys think whenever there's like overrun, I'm always less interested in saying, like, oh, the over under is eight and a half. Do you think they're going to go over or under? And someone's like, uh, like, I think slightly over. That's like, to me, betting that they're going to make when nine or eight is boring.

They usually nail the fucking numbers. Right. It's like, it's going to be close. If somebody told you the Jets win four games or 12, what would you bet on? Four. I mean, that was my first instinct, too. Yeah. If somebody said, Justin Fields plays all 17 games and they win four or 12, you would take four.

You have to really believe in Aaron Glenn and Tanner Engstrom. And like, I, I just, I just, I just need someone to explain to me why the Lions lost Ben Johnson and Tanner Engstrom didn't get the offensive coordinator job. And I haven't yet heard an explanation for that. That is like, well, he's really smart and really going to be a great coordinator for the Jets. But yeah, they let him go with Aaron Glenn instead of hiring him internally. How good is their defense going to be? I think it's always tough to, it's very tough to predict defenses. I know.

Look, I, you guys know, I mean, look, I still am on the, I'm still big time. I'll talk about dying on the hill. I'm dying on the hill like Robert Sala was actually doing a good job coaching the Jets. I'm the last person in the world other than the Robert Sala's 10 children who believe this. But you're the 11th person on the world. The 11th person. Yeah, 11 personnel over here. 10 children.

This is all in a way the same conversation three times in a row. Do we want Bryce John? you succeed, yes, but I'm not going to bet on it. The Panthers? Do we want Trevor Lourn's succeed? Yes. Shane Waldron, not going to bet on the Jags. Justin Fields of the Jets. One, Justin Fields to succeed, not going to bet on the Jets. This is all the same conversation. Which quarterbacks do you not want to succeed? I actually, it's funny, the U.S. opens on again. I'm recording this June 12th. I feel Jared Goff reminds me of Jordan Spieth in that, not necessarily personality-wise, but because I really like when Jordan Speeth and Jared

Gough are crushing it and in contention or failing and like publicly humiliating themselves, but I hate when they're just average. And do you think Jared Gough is just average right now? I like, I don't, I really wanted them to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, but I like that if the lines went out, Jared Gough like flamed out and it was kind of crazy and horrible neck. I just, I don't know. DK, which quarterback's success moves you the least?

Well, that was Aaron Rogers. Wait, what do you mean? remove Aaron Rogers. Like, I don't know, if you had to rank all the guys you wanted to see succeed at quarterback, who's last? And we won't say Aaron Rogers.

And not because of your teams you don't like them. Like, you're doing rivals. Brock Party doesn't count because you hate the Niners. Like, I kind of personally feel like Kyler Murray doesn't do a lot for me. He was the guy that King's blind.

Yeah. I was going to say, whoever starts for the Saints. Well, yeah, I'm not going to move to me a lot. Oh, interesting. Realistically, it's probably This is a very funny question.

Yeah. Donald, I kind of feel, I want him to succeed. But if you go through, if you go down the list, like, I mean,

I want Burrow to succeed more. I want Lamar to succeed more. Rogers is definitely last. Drake May. I mean, two, I guess I should be rooting for. Yeah,

I know. Two I'm kind of like, he doesn't move me. Maybe I should be moved. Not very compelling, Jay. This is a good transition into this next guy because Jordan Love is a, is a quarterback.

I don't, really think about much. And he's the next guy on this list who kind of a weird career so far, George Love. He was a first round pick in 2020. So he was behind Aaron Rogers during the pandemic, which I can't imagine the type of shit he was hearing from Aaron Men. He was forged in the flames of Aaron Rogers in the pandemic. And then he watches Aaron Rogers win back-to-back MVP's. Then Rogers has a bad 20-23 season. He heard his hand and he's out. And then Jordan Love becomes the starter. And it's weird to me that he's only been the starter for two years. In my head, he's been starting for like five. That's why I included this because, yeah, he's in the same draft

class as Burrow and Herbert. It's crazy. Burroughs three years removed from being appearing in the Super Bowl. Totally. And so the first year he comes in, the first half of the season, I remember Hyvitz, you were really in on Jordan Love that year. And I was. The first half of the season, he was not good. They were three and six. He had 14 touchdowns and 10 picks. And we all kind of we're like, eh, that was a miss. And then the second half

of the season, they go on a tear. They close the season six and two. Jordan Love throws 18 touchdowns to one interception. They destroy the

Cowboys in the playoffs, and they almost beat the Niners to get to the NFC championship. And it was like, the Packers did it again. Like, they have their guy

for the next 15 years. We come into last year. And they had to, like, resigned him like immediately, right? Yeah, yeah. Sign the big contract. They head into last year.

Week one, they're in Brazil, playing on the slip and slide. Oh, yeah. And he hurts his knee at the very end of the Eagles game. On the play before a Hail Mary, basically, right? Yeah.

Stupid. He sprained his MCLE, he misses two games and was kind of not really the same, I think, for the rest of the season. Then he hurts his groin in week eight. And then they have a buy week 10. And from weeks 11 to 17, he was kind of healthy. And if you look at that, if you look at that stretch, he was actually pretty good. He kind of went back to showing glimpses of what he did the year before that.

And so, similar to Trevor Lawrence, I feel like Jordan Love is a type of guy where it's like physically, he can make all the throws and he can do everything. It's fantastic, yeah. But it's the decision making and the volatility that like you can't quite nail down. And what's interesting is this year heading into 2025,

it's like it's basically the same team. I mean, they drafted Matthew Golden, the receiver out of Texas, and they drafted another wide receiver. But it's like, it's more or less the same. They didn't do a lot in free agency. it's the same coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball.

And so from a fantasy perspective, I think it's like, I don't really know what the ceiling is. Two years ago it was really great. He doesn't really run a lot. And I think similarly to like the borough, Stroud, like he needs to run very, very pure. And he's kind of a streaky player.

And Jordan Love is almost kind of like a flacko in my eyes where I'm like, you know what? I could probably see him getting hot and like going to the Super Bowl. And I could also see him flaming out and like being eight. nine this year and they just like can't really put it together. I think he reminds me as you guys know I'm a big expert on golf.

And he reminds me of like you didn't laugh there. I was totally kidding. I figured. Yeah. For those listening who don't know when Craig and I'm talking about golf, DK visibly just tunes out of the conversation. He's scrolling without his phone. He's just like somewhere else.

No. But he kind of reminds me of like a golfer. You guys can tell me which one this is that is kind of hot-tempered and either could get really, really hot and be like one of the best golfers in the world or fucking suck. I don't know if that's, um, who's that guy that went to live that was like one of the best golfers for a long time? Super rich now.

Dustin Johnson? No, the other one. John Rom. John Rom? No, the other one. No, the other one. Yes, Kepka. He reminds me a little bit of, okay.

Well, that's maybe not a good one. But like, I just feel like there's, it's no middle ground kind of deals. Like, he's either awesome or it falls apart. Yeah, there are certain players. Honestly, he's fucking Rory. Yeah. Maybe. Sure. He's like missing the cut at the Masters and winning it in that next year.

It's like in the NBA, there's always guys. It's like the six men you bring off the bench and it's like you just wait and see what he does with his first two shots. And if he makes him, you're like, this guy's going to put him 30. And if he misses him, you're like, he's going to go over 12 today. And that's kind of, it's like the first quarter, I feel like I just know what kind of Jordan Love game I'm going to get. Oh, that's a good call.

Yeah. This is the guy we got today. I just think he's one of the more enigmatic, like, good quarter. He's a funny mix because frankly he aesthetically he throws like Aaron Rogers, but he thinks like Brett Farve. And I mean those complimentary and derogatory because Brett Farv himself would be the first to admit he didn't really understand. Of all the Hall of Fame great quarterbacks, Brett Farv probably understood what was happening

on the field defensively less than any of them. He didn't know what a cover two was. Like Peyton Manning is out here like doing PhD research on the field live like with Ed Reed. He's playing 40 chess. Brett Farv's like straight up through, broke the record for touchdown passes by being like, fuck it,

Donald Drivers. He's like, he's like John Daly. He's like, where's the first T? What's the course record? 100%. Literally just with 12 Diet Coke's in his pack of six.

Smoking a heater. Yeah. Like Brett Farv is literally saw Patrick Mahomes. He's like, man, he's smarter than me. Do you think if you took like 28 year old Brett Farv and put him in the NFL now,

he'd be terrible because defenses are way more complex? He had no shot. Probably. He couldn't do it. Far of his... The reason Mahomes is Mahomes is Andy Reid was like, man, this is like Brett again, but I'll teach him how to fucking read a defense.

Don't forget, Mahomes said he knew I read defense until 2021. So I have all that said. Jordan Love, Aaron Rogers, for all his stuff, is obviously very smart with football. And Jordan Love isn't there yet, but Jordan... And in general, some people say. Yeah, geez. Do your own research.

But Jordan, there's still research to be done. I think sometimes, frankly, it's as simple as Jordan Love is capable. And Rogers had this issue. When Rogers won the MVP's and then talked about it later, he was like, I kind of had an issue in 2018. I think that's when McCarthy got fired. And Rogers went back and watched his old tape from his 2011 season,

which is one of the best quarterback seasons in the history of football. And Rogers realized that he just kind of like got sloppy on his technique and fundamentals. And like he saw how fundamental, like, he was doing all the off platform throws and little like fallbacks when he had to. But otherwise, he was so buttoned up. And he was like, I need to go back to that. I'm older now, not like, I'm worse, not better. So, Roger, the MVP seasons are the result of focusing on fundamentals.

Jordan Love, I think that's his issue. Yeah. He can throw from any angle. Like he didn't need to fall away from that throw. Yes. So that's how you have so much talent that sometimes you suck where it's like Jordan Love when he gets off his platform gets off his fundamentals. Sometimes he misses easy fucking throws and just puts it.

And I thought always admit, sometimes it's on the wrong shoulder or whatever, but overall I'm a believer because his, yeah, as a it's weird i kind of thought he mentally be a little more advanced at this age because sitting for three years but maybe he's sitting with aaron rogers well it's just it's just it's i mean yeah he sat for three years but it's also just like you got to play in games man i just feel like um when i think about jordan love i think about just um i don't know how to say it's like there's just not enough there's not enough um evidence yet whether he's good or bad you know what i mean, like, I feel like he's probably really good, but we just haven't seen it enough.

There's not enough games. There's not enough proof, I guess, yet. And I think, honestly, like, Packers fans, let us know what you think. But I feel like there's even, like, among Packers fans that people are not quite sure what to make a Jordan love. Well, no offense to the Packers fans, the most spoiled fan base ever for quarterbacks other than the Patriots of Tom Brady. Like, I mean, Brett Farr's, it's forgotten now.

Brett Ford retired is the all-time leader in touchdowns and yards. and then they got Aaron Rogers, who was better than Brett Farrf, like 30 years. And there were people who were like 35 that had seen two quarterbacks, and they were both like top 12 quarterbacks ever. So, yeah, it's like they look at Jordan Love. But overall, Jordan Love has the physical tools, frame, athleticism, arm angles. He'll be a quarterback in the NFL for as long as he can play. You know what I mean?

Like, even if, like, I'm a belief, like, he has just those, if Daniel Jones is going to start for the cults this year, like Jordan Love will keep playing football. You know what I mean? He's not going to go anywhere. But I am curious if he is able to hit the ceiling because I still believe the ceiling's there, but I would like to see more consistency. Does he do anything for you guys in fantasy? Like, do you even think about him? I mean, I think he's in that big group of guys that are sort of just like the DAC Prescott's,

the I guess CJ Stroud is in there. It's like pocket passers that could throw 40 touchdowns and give you a really good year in fantasy, but probably more likely are just going to be sort of middle of road. I find it hard for him to finish higher than like QB10. Like what would he need to do? Throw 40 touchdowns. I just look at it like every year, the pocket passer thing. The reason we have the memento tattoo of don't draft pocket passers is every year there's one pocket passer that you maybe could have seen coming that's like joins the mobile quarterbacks and one or two that you could not have seen coming.

And we always try to guess which they are. And it's like if Joe Burroughs, fine, Joe Burrow is good. Mahomes even. I'm like, all right, but like, is he? And last year, Baker Mayfield, you could have gotten like 150th. Like, you might have added Baker Mayfield off waivers last year. And so in a world where you want to just guess which, and all the other pocket passers, they're kind of like in fantasy football, they're like logs.

Like just like they're all interchangeable, frankly. Because the difference between 14 fantasy points game and 15 with the court, it doesn't matter at some point. So if you're looking in a world where in our rankings, at some point you have to rank, who are these guys, from 14 to 20? Brock Purdy, Jordan Love, C.J. Stroud, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, and then Drake Mays in it? Like, at some point, if those five guys are going to be your backup quarterback,

I want to swing for the fences with my first pick. That's why I like Justin Fields. I mean, I haven't mentioned Caleb Williams. Like, there's so many guys. I do not want to take Jared Gough as the eighth quarterback if C.J. Stroud or Trevor Lawrence or these guys are 18th. You know what I mean? I think that's a wasted pick.

It's like, you need a guy who can run or, you know, just wait. Anyway. Which, I got to say, Jordan Love, like, I kind of think of him, I think, as maybe more athletic than he is because of, like, the way he throws and kind of the gunslinger part of him.

But Jordan Love does not run. Robert Mays and Derek Classen were talking about this. Dude, the last two years, his Scramble EPA in the last two years ranks 39th amongst quarterbacks. Oh, wow. One spot ahead. of James Winston and one spot behind Jacoby Brissette, scrambling.

Jacobi Brissette's like the definition of a park and park. Like the man does not run or scramble ever, which is it, which matters in fantasy football. Yeah. But Jacobi Brissette, he's behind Jacobi Brisset? Speaking of Jacoby Brissette. That's wild. Last week I asked you guys, this is actually kind of ties it together. I told you guys that Aaron Rogers has the lowest interception.

rate in the history of the NFL, which is throwing at one pick every 150 throws. And I said, I would give you a billion dollars if you could guess who he's tied with. And the answer is Jacoby percent. Wow. What's the yards per attempt on those two? Probably different. Probably. Well, Rogers throws away a lot of passes.

Okay. The last guy here really quick, I want to hit Brock Purdy. Hell, yeah. I don't think we have to talk about as much because, frankly, I think we just, I think we talk about Brock Purdy more than all of these guys, to be honest. I think we've talked about in this offseason. Controversial guy. And the career in a nutshell,

I mean, people know the deal. Like Brock Party was the last pick in the draft, and he kind of broke our brains because he came in as a rookie and he replaced Jimmy G. And he was just better than Jimmy G. And if you take out the games that he, like the NFC championship game

where he got hurt, the games he finished. Brock Pardy didn't lose. Like, he went 12 at O in his first 12 games, which also coincided with Christian McCaffrey, but whatever. But the Niners basically led the NFL with this literally Mr. Irrelevant pick in every.

conceivable category in traditional or advanced statistics and no one like it kind of broke a lot of people's brains probably including mine and if we're being honest we'd probably think about pretty differently if we won the Super Bowl and we're talking about a Niners Chief Super Bowl where Christian McCaffrey I think fumbled his first touch and lost the ball and then you also have Jake Moody missed an extra point in a game that went to overtime and how differently would we think about the Niners cheat Brock Purdy if the nine is just yeah is cursed dude he missed an extra point and also the last play of the game, or the last play of regulation, like Purdy had a, I think it was like yuk in the end zone for a touchdown, but they just screwed up the block and so it was basically in a block chief,

got to him. But I, you know, that always happens to the game. I'm like, damn, they missed an extra point and they went lost in overtime. Like, damn, that's crazy. So Purdy frankly did his job. And the year before, or sorry, two years before the Chief Seagull Super Bowl, honestly, I think the Niners would have won that NFC championship game versus the Eagles. Yeah. But Brock Pretty hurt his elbow and he ended up getting, I think, Tommy John. but the Niners just ran out of quarterback. So they're just snake bit, and they lost two NFC championship games.

Like, Purdy has been unbelievable for the Niners. And obviously, the irony was it just broke our brains, I think, because it was the idea of, well, how good is he? He's driving the car, but he didn't build it. You know, how much credit do you get for driving a Bugatti really fast? But then as he went on, it was like, well, shit. All right, he's been doing this really well for a long time. And I think the truth is he's just gotten better every season.

Like, I think Brock Purdy is clearly like getting better every year. And it started with, well, he's just creating out of structure more than Jimmy Garoppel. And now it's like, uh, they're, frankly, the Carl Shen didn't really have a dropback passing game. And Brock Purdy actually did start to incorporate elements of that as all that's flies started dropping last year. Dibos has pneumonia and Brady Dukes Don and Raffiris the Achilles. Like, I think I, sorry, Purdy started having more of a dropback pass a game. And he's a real quarterback. And that's why they give him $260 million.

But, you know, before he literally, the irony was people wanted him to the MVP. and he's not, Brock Pardy was not the MVP. But he was the most valuable player because he was playing quarterback for $800,000. Right. Which there are software engineers in San Francisco making more than $800,000. Like he's the quarterback for the Niners and he's like, you know what I mean? So now it just, you know, it's, can, can the Niners win a Super Bowl now with Brock Party? Because anything less is a failure.

Like anything less than a Super Bowl for the Niners will kill Kyle Shannon. But can they win, can they achieve more? Is a failure? I don't know about that. I mean, come on. Two NFC championship games, it was too, I mean, yeah, it is Super Bowl a bus.

Like, you're going to leave this era with a Super Bowl? Like, it's not fair, but that's clearly the expectation. But now you have to do more than ever with less. And now it's like, if they're good, that's so good. It's suck.

Well, yeah, I'm not saying they suck if they make it. It's just, right. It's, you know, I don't think Kyle Shannon's going to be super thrilled by losing another Super Bowl. Well, sure. Obviously. You don't think so?

Like, Do you disagree? I just think with anything, I bristle at the, if anything less than a Super Bowl win is failure, I bristle at that idea. I guess that's, I guess it won't be put on Brock Purdy. That's fair.

It's not like people are going to blame Brock Party for not winning the Super Bowl. Like if they're competitive, that's good. I don't know. I think there are teams where that, I think like the lions are kind of like. The Ravens, the Bills? Yeah,

I think that's reasonable, actually, for like a handful of fan bases. I just don't like that. I think it's weird. One team wins every year. Yeah, it sucks. And every other team is a failure.

It's deeply unfair. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's dumb. Well, it's life. What about it? What about it? I don't know.

That's just how it is. Okay. Brock is... Every time I watch for him, he is like shockingly competent. You know what I mean? He's a sneaky little shit. He is. Like, I kind of want to just think like the whole like,

sneaky little shit. He's just plugged into the Shannahan machine. And then you watch him and you're like, I don't know. This guy's actually like pretty good. And Kings break down. He's like way more athletic than you think he is, way more agile than you think he is. He's like faster than you think he is. And I just like, I don't know.

Yeah. Well, he's small, you know. Just like almost. But I don't know. Like whenever stuff breaks down or he just makes throws, if he was like the 10th pick in the draft, we would just think about him completely different. If he had been taking where Lawrence was, what we'd have flipped the fuck out.

Totally. Like, oh my God, they lead an EPA per play. It's funny because, like, he's bigger and more athletic than Bryce Young,

who was the first overall pick. And what's also funny is, remember, we got emails some people working at Lulu Lemon, and they were like, they waited in him for an hour. He didn't look like a pro athlete.

And one of their boyfriends was like, you know, he's in the NFL. They're like, he's a football player. Do you have that guy? Also, we thought,

you know, he was the last pick in the draft, which I thought was the 256th pick. So we thought his number was 13th. because he added up 25 and 6, which was incorrect. However,

his contract he signed was for $265 million, which if you add that up, 265. Oh, wow. Interesting. A lot's coming around to 13. He knew.

He knew he wanted to sign a $250. I actually didn't put that together. His contract was $265. They did it for Mr. Elevent. No, that's kind of dumb. It's not when he was picked. He was 272, right? 262.

So we keep getting this wrong. 262 I was gonna say they probably came up with the numbers based on other quarterback salaries still adds up

not not the numbers it adds up to 13 it's like the worst why is that um yeah okay wait

this guy's a sneaky little shit he just he just makes plays man he's fucking good yeah he's really good okay so now with these guys we have one two

three we talk about eight guys seven guys I asked you this question halfway through now looking at all seven Stroud, Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence,

Justin Fields, Jordan Love, Brock Birdie. Which of these guys, if you had to bet right now, we'll finish the highest in fantasy? Man, Justin Fields? Just because of the running. I think I'd feel most confident. I would feel most confident. Uh, shit.

This is actually really hard. I think it's Fields because I gravitate towards Lawrence or love. What is it? You got to pick one. You just said three names. I think Justin feels easily. Or is it Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson or C.J. Stroud? I think it's Brock Purdy.

It's probably Purdy. Who's like quarterback eight every year. Right. He's been in the top 10 the last two years, right? Last year was a disaster and he was the QB10. Talk about like a guy that you could just draft and nobody will really care because like that like excitement has kind of come and gone. And he'll probably just be extremely solid. Maybe the ceiling, I guess, isn't there.

I mean, Justin Fields started the six. games. They had five rushing touchdowns in the six games. I think I was sticking with Brock Purdy. All right. That's fair. But Fields has more ceiling. Okay.

Rock Pretty was QB7 in 2023? I think those are the right two answers because Stroud, I think, was better in real life and the defense. And if the Texans defense holds, then they're probably not, they want to probably run more. And then Bryce Young, we're not going to answer with that. And George Lawrence, now that Shane, are we live, Walgreens and Jacksonville, we're out. So I think it's kind of answer.

It's kind of easy. Made a huge mistake. Man. Okay. I really liked playing the like quarterback we give the least shit about game. That was really fun. Yeah, we should make that a whole thing, honestly. Who is your favorite quarterback that's not a part of your favorite team? Like, who do you

like rooting for the most? That's a good one. Give me one that's like elite and one that's not elite. Give me one. Yeah, the easy answer is like Josh Allen or Lamar, but I think outside of, I think if you ban Mahomes, I think Mahomesboro But I'm not saying you enjoy watching because they're so good

I'm saying that you actively root for and like love For me it's either Lamar It's either Lamar or Alan You can pick one quarterback who's elite And then one who's not elite But I want more like Like you like them

You've taken interest in them Not just like you think they're the best I have I have really Thoroughly loves Like every moment of Lamar's career basically And he had a weird stretched after the injury of the contract extension, but like seeing Lamar Jackson's rise,

like that week, like in 2018, the week where, um, Lamar was just destroying every, maybe it was 2019, they were just just, oh, 2019 definitely, he's destroying everybody. And then somebody made an anonymous comment that, well, the read option with Lamar is cheating because the football is the same color as his skin. So like, it's easier for him. And then Lamar comes out on, I believe it was Monday night football. Oh, did he wear like white gloves or something? He wore white sleeves. So like white sleeves. And they had, I think probably the most dominant 40 minutes that started a football game

I've ever seen. And remember, the Rams had made the Super Bowl the previous year. And I believe the Ravens come out and scored a touchdown on the first six possessions.

And they started the game 35 to zero. And it was just epic. And I don't know. And also he's just so different than all these other quarterbacks. Like Lamar, like his mom's his fucking agent.

Like he clearly is just friends with the same friends from like middle school. Like he's not, he doesn't do famous people shit. Lamar is truly lovable to me. Yeah, and I was going to say either Lamar, I would probably say Lamar.

Like in my heart of hearts, I just love watching him play. But then I think Burroughs also really likable. The tree was unbelievable. Because Josh Allen obviously everyone hated, not everyone hated, but everyone thought he sucked. And then the bills and everything, like the bond there is Josh Allen's so easy to love. And then, yeah, I think Burrow is like the easiest person to like watching.

Because of LSU and the cigars and just... Just the way he plays is fun. Like he's just a gunslinger kind of deal where he's pushing it downfield. Burrow had this myth making too because ever since he came out with that, the LSU hype video team was unbelievable. And when he came out with the Burrow, the EAUX senior day in that crazy video at LSU and then the Heisman speech was amazing. Like Burrow out of college had like a myth.

Frankly, a lot of these guys don't have. And then he was and then he sucked here in Tours ACL. But then he was great. And they made the Super Bowl and got shit. like all borough Josh and Lamar are like unusually likable easy to roof for players. I think Jaden's really cool too. Like after one year, I'm very invested in Jaden. Wait, now I want quarterbacks who are kind of mid that you're like,

ah, he's my guy. Well, does C.J. Stroud count? No. C.J. Stroud, I'd say, is like he's one of my favorite quarterbacks to watch. I feel like everybody loves watching James. Mid? Who's mid that you like? I actually want Michael Pennix to succeed.

I think that's a pretty off the radar. I would like Michael Pennix to just be awesome. Like I think it'd be really cool if the Falcons offense was actually incredible. And Pennix was just bawling. Yeah, I want Pennix and Bonics. Those are my two. Bonics and Pennix. I'm rooting for Fields, even though I don't feel great about that.

You've always liked him. I've always liked him. I don't know why. The Jetsiest Jet and the history of the Jets. I mean, it's not going to go well. But I'll be rooting for him. There's this really nice story in Pittsburgh, this like, this guy who, you know, has been really written off

by the haters and losers and doubters that, you know. Right. He's been canceled so many times. Mason Rudolph? Yeah. No, take the microphones away from Mason. Mason Ralph's never getting a microphone in front of him again. Okay, well, I'll not know we should get the fuck out of here.

Over both your heads. Okay, I'm sure people listening got it. You got it. Yeah. I know you're talking about it. All right. Well, emails and we'll get out of here. Are we talking about the,

Miles Garrett thing or the Trump thing? Allegedly. Oh, I forgot about the Trump thing. Yeah, no, allegedly. Yeah, allegedly. Talk about the Miles Garrett thing. Allegedly. The,

a couple emails here. I love that transition. This is from Joe. Joey. Joe says, you see, email, but I was talking about, like, wasting time in class. I never told the story because D.K. was like, oh, my God, your class was next to the other class.

But I never told the story. But anyway, Joe's is better. So Joe says, I had this pretty epic way to waste time in college. Joe says the summer after my freshman year in college, I worked for the IT department in my college doing cleaning and maintenance, all the computer labs, blah, blah, blah. Part of the job meant I had to have admin rights to control any computer on campus. And guess what? They forgot to take away his admin rights to every computer on campus.

So the admin rights included the ability to remotely control the professor's computers and the projectors in the classrooms. Oh, my. So during classes, I would turn off the projectors or their computers in the middle of class. With great power. No. I was thinking the exact same thing. Unbelievable.

You could have done a lot worse than turned the projector off. Dude, I know. Yeah, could have ended up. Another side, you're basically God. Like, that's basically like a cheap game of Grant of Dautau. And he's like... This guy, yeah. That's the worst he did?

Honestly, I wonder if he did worse. He didn't want to put it in writing. Well, that's probably probably probably. I would have just pulled up really stupid shit. Like, nothing problematic. I just would have been like... You could have, like, pouring on their computers. Honestly, you could probably have changed his grades.

Probably could have gave himself a 4-0. But another side note, the... I would have just only played like Tavon-Austin highlights or something. Yeah, Tavon-Austin highlights. Low state. So Joe writes, another side note, the admin rights allowed me to edit how many printing credits each student got. I think each semester we had like 500 printer credits.

One for black and white pages equaled, like, one credit, one color page was like three credits, blah, blah, blah. And then there was like a few number of credits. for 3D printing. And he says, I would pick one random student's ID, and I'd give them

a million credits. They become like the godfather of printing. Everyone is like going through them. He starts like an entire printing, like, mob. Yeah.

And then he really, I also screw with my friends and I would take all their credits to zero right before finals and freak them out. I want people to emails that ringer fantasy football at gmill. If you had admin control,

you could control everyone's computers in college. You had unchecked power. If you had, you're basically gone. What would you? you do in Westworld. Like God. I think this is insane

that he could just control every computer on campus. It's actually wild. If anyone has ever heard any other stories, this like IT people gone rogue. Like there's all this whole thing of IT people like,

oh, I've seen your passwords. I'll take those stories too. But stories from IT people are also just like the unchecked power of IT people and how little we know about the power you actually have

email us at Ringer Fantasy Football at Gmail. You gotta be careful though because he couldn't go too hard because if people started to sniff around, maybe they would figure it out. You actually Statute of limitations on wire fraud? What is that?

Well, they probably would have actually expelled him for that. Like, if you're, like, remotely controlling your computer's teacher, your teacher's computer from class, you're probably, like, now suspended. You're probably done. Right. Printing credits wire fraud? Hmm. Printer mob is so fun. Dude, imagine that kid checking thing.

He's like, I have a million. You're going to make an example of printer credits. Someone's like, please, I need a hundred more credits. He's like, hmm. This sounds like the plot to Slackers. Did you guys ever watch Slackers? No. I don't know what that is. Good movie. So it's like a... Slacker, right? What? No, Slacker. No Sackers. Slackers. There's a movie called Slacker with,

that was like a real indie dude. Slackers, 1990. Slackers had Devin Sala, Jason Schwartzman. Jason Schwartzman's character in that movie is really something. Cool, Ethan. Anyway, the whole the plot is basically like these guys all like have this scheme to like cheat their way through college what is the scheme they cheat their way through college how yeah i don't remember the exact details i don't know watch the fucking movie okay geez it's okay it was a 1990 i haven't watched it so i asked the question uh you should if you want a real good movie of how to cheat your way through college accepted you love that's one of craig sneaky deep cut favorite movies that is the spiritual follow-up to this movie, I think.

South Harmon Institute of Technology. Shitheads. Craig loves that one. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, so Austin points out that cool Ethan blackmails the guys once he finds out that they're cheating their way through college and convinces

them to get them to get a girl to like him, basically. And then the main character falls in love with that girl, of course. We just spoiled it. Story is old as time. It's actually really good. All right.

Geez, I'll watch it. Yeah. She had one more email here. Jason Siegel's in that. I forgot about that. Jamie King is the love interest. It made $6 million. Is that good?

I don't know. No. Budget 14 box office six. Oh, God. Cult classic. It's a good movie, all right? That's a Kenny Pickett number right there. It's directed by somebody named Dewey Nix,

who does not have a strong Wikipedia. Well, that's what losing $8 million will do for you. Anyway, what were we talking about? I had another email, but Craig's pretty deep on this. I know. I think he's a professional photographer, this guy. I don't know. That's not that much strong.

He made a movie? I can't really follow this conversation. What movie did he make? Slackers. I don't know. There's just, he has an interesting photography life that we don't need to get into. Okay. Dewey, if you're listening to the show, just hit us up.

Tell us about slackers. Doey. Not a lot of Dewey's anymore. No. Dewey's like Gertrude. You don't want any of this shit, Dewey? I think I kind of want it. It's the cheapest drug there is.

It makes sex. We should better. Is that an episode we should do in August? You don't want this Jameson Williams? Well, who is the player we used that for at the live show? Probably Kyle Pitts. Yeah, who did we use that for? Was it?

I could find it. It was for the draft. It was, um, fuck, who was it? Ashton, was it Genty? Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I kind of want it. It was for the Raiders drafting Genty, I think.

You don't want none of this running backs in the first round. He's the cheapest position there is. That's one of the all-time scenes, I think. I put that up there. Tim Meadows, goat. Sneaky goat. Just this once. We're smoking reefer.

We should bring Reefer back unironically. Reifer. Reifer is such a funny word. What's your favorite way to say weed? I say weed. To the point where I forget that it's a nickname. The devil's lettuce. He's the base in my head.

I think my dad says pot. I think that's funny. I think pot is funny. Pot's like your parents say pot. Spoke it like a cop, Craig. Yeah. Pot. Fucking narc.

He smoked pot here. He smoked his fair share of pot in college. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Allegedly. Yeah, prove it, Craig. He was in San Diego in the 80s. Come on.

I think if I'm walking around and I smell it, I'm like, ooh, the devil's lettuce. Really? Or something like that. What are the other things that call it? Gondja. Embone. The chronic. The chronic is a word that my generation used a lot more.

I feel like. Really? You guys would say that? It's like chronic, yeah. Yeah, I kind of feel like we just said weed. Weed. Yeah. What, uh,

DK, I feel like you guys, DK, I feel like you guys said Mary Jane. Yeah, Mary Jane's very 80s. I never said Mary Jane. We,

you know what? So we should make this of just like, what is the actual, Cush. Cush is a little. Tree. Tree. Of calling these things.

Yeah. Cush and Tree. People used to say tree. Yeah. Cush and Tree. Yeah. I think, yeah, Cush and Tree took over from weed.

I feel like Mary Jane is archaic. That's from like the 60s. Oh, is it? There were certain things that I know. It's like the beginning of of Pineapple Express. Oh, yeah. Because there are things that are before my time.

I don't know when. Where did the phrase Mary Jane come from? Probably Spider-Man. MJ, marijuana. Oh. But like why Mary and just kind of just somebody. I don't know. I actually kind of forgot marijuana had a J.

Yeah, I didn't really think of that. I'd have never put that together. I think that's why it is. I mean, it makes sense. That's a good, yeah, that makes a great answer. We're smoking Mary Jane in here. come on in Bill Hater at the start of

pineapple is so funny another all type scene and then they kill him is it in black and white yeah it is let's go watch that again check out that rewatchable yeah we did the rewatchables

three years ago yeah Pine Ample Express rewatchables I just killed you with a day woo what does it say you just got killed by a DeWu motherfucker.

It's a DeWu Lano's a... A DeWu Lanos. Yeah, DeWulanos. Great slot. Great scene. Linger. My favorite, dude, my favorite thing of the whole thing

is just Danny McBride like, don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Don't. Oh, man.

I would love to just... There should be a rewatchable's month. It's just dedicated to Danny McBride being like the fifth biggest character in the movie. crushing it. Tropic Thunder, Pineapple Express,

this is the end. Hot Rod, he's graded. Oh, yeah. I think Danube Rod and this is the end of all day. He actually might be my favorite character Minute for Minute and a movie ever. He's the funniest, I think. I used to use this when I was a prostitute.

You know what movie I just never saw? And I don't know why. Like, it came out right when I would have seen movies like this. Your Highness. Oh my God, Craig. I heard it was, I mean, it's terrible, right? It's fucking awful,

but it's also very funny. I've never seen it. Dude, we got to watch that. It's like about medieval times with the old potheads, right? It's the weirdest movie you've ever seen, Craig. There's one character in it.

It's like a, I don't even remember exactly what the context is. It's like a little genie or magician, magical creature. It's a fucking weird movie. But James Franco, Danny McBride,

Natalie Portman, and Zoe de Chanel. Yeah, it's basically like, it's like, it's like medieval times comedy and they're all potheads right that's incredible that's the gist of it and uh damien lewis is in this charles gordon gordon green just in there oh my god there's a lot of people what was the budget for your highness i feel like it was like higher than you want it to be kind of a big movie well and it was david gordon green is that a lot i don't know that is a lot

for a comedy uh it's not good that me the literal target demo has never heard in this movie this movie was written by mcbride directed by david gordon green who did Pineapple Express. I thought it was, it's like a, it's one of those movies where if you're watching with the right person, it's very funny.

Does that make sense? Yeah, if you're trying to, if you're like, if you're high as shit. Yeah. Or drunk. Yeah.

27% of rotten tomatoes. I mean, don't get me wrong. It's really bad. But also, what was the Roger Ebert review? So he reviewed it. This is,

I think, I think he was barely alive at this point. When did Roger Ebert die? I was kidding. Did he actually review it? He did. He did. He did. Roger Debr gave the film one star out of four calling it This is a word I haven't read in a long time ever, perhaps never read. Juvenile excrescence, excresents?

Like excrement. Yeah. Juvenile excrescent that feels like the work of 11-year-old boys in love with Dungeons, Dragons, Warrior Women, Pot, Boobes, and Four Letter Words. Yeah. We got to watch this. Where do I sign? Natalie Portman was in it

Which is just so like out of place All right we'll put it on the list I maintain it has funny moments DK can you power rank Dungeons, Dragons Warriors, War your women pot, boobs and four letter words? Yeah Okay what's your big three?

Bobs Okay good for you Four letter words What were the other ones? Dungeons and Dragons Those are I don't do those last Dungeons and dragons are separate. Warrior women. Pot. Yeah, I would go boobs, four letter words, warrior women.

A good old... I would slip that, but that's fine. Zena the Warrior Princess. Okay. Nope. And then pot. I'm not a big pot guy, to be honest. Although I understand, I understand its draw for sure.

Music is very good. Well, because can you get... When music is on this list? No. No, I'm saying pot makes music. sound great. You understand it's very true. Can you, well, D.K., can you get, can you get a hangover from pot? It doesn't give you a hangover.

Well, I, I don't want to be spending all kinds of money on this. It's not habit forming. Can I still have sex? It makes sex better. Yeah, shit. I should put a pot higher probably, huh? James Franco received a Razzie nomination for, for your highness, but lost to Al Pacino and Jack and Jill. Is that a Sandler movie?

Yeah, man. Dude, Jack and Joe, brutal. Dude. We were in, we were just, Craig, Craig, when you turn brutal into like a three- syllable syllable word, you'd know it's bad. Dude, we were in green lighting anything in 2011. Like, you could just fucking throw anything at the theater. Jack and Jill made $150 million.

What? What? In profit? Well, no. The film. It lost 80 to make, so it probably lost money if you include marketing. But still, $150 million is not nothing. No.

Jack and Jill, what was that even about? Honestly, you don't want to know. It doesn't matter. It was with Katie Holmes Al Pacino and Adam Sandler. Katie Holmes? What you said that was like Tropic Thunder when the rapper's name was Al Pacino. It's Jack and Jill, a family man is forced to deal with his twin sister from the, when his twin sister from the Bronx comes in. But Adam Sandler plays his twin sister.

It's really, it's kind of like sinners, but lowbrow. Yeah. Hyfitz was shocked when he found out that Adam Sandler played both characters. It blew his mind. He's shocked. Oh, my God. All right. Goodbye, everyone.

Wait, we never said thank you. And we now did Lauren. Really? That whole thing was. That was pre. That was a pream. Thank you, Lorne. Oh, my God.

Thank you, Jewel. Wait, that was all before we did. That was all pre-Lorne. I don't even know if we finished what we were talking about, to be honest. I don't remember what we were talking about. I don't know shit about Jewel. Yeah, I don't really either. Jewel?

I think she was the, was she the one that was, she went from homeless to, like, superstardom. She, like, wrote some songs when she was, like, living in a van or something. Google Gemini says, yes, the singer Jewel experienced homelessness. Oh, there we go. I don't like the world we're in now. That's a weird thing I just did. I don't like that sentence.

What sentence? Google Gemini says Jewel, the singer, was homeless. Right. Something about that's off. She dated somebody back in the day that was like really famous. Oh, she's the hat, right. Jule, way, way, way, way, way.

She's a hat person. She dated Charlie Whitehurst? She's currently dating Kevin Costner? What? This is Google Gemini. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No, you're right, Craig. Kevin Costner. What? Get the fuck out. I think Kevin Costner's... My Google Gemini says Kevin Costor and Juel are friends and they have never dated. What does your Google Gemini say?

Wait, she dated Sean Penn. He just got divorced, I'm pretty sure. What is your Google Gemini say? Mine says they've never dated. They're just friends. Kevin, I'm pretty sure Kevin Costner just got divorced. Is it because of Jules? What I'm seeing on Us magazine is in 23, so this is a while ago. They were spotted getting cozy during a Caribbean getaway. So.

If I Google, Jewel Kevin Costner, it says they're just friends. But if I Google Jewel boyfriend, it says Jewel and Kevin Costner are in a relationship. Can you screenshot that? What the fuck? Again, why is Google worth $2 trillion? I can't move the words around.

Did you guys miss the part where she dated Charlie Whitehurst? Yeah, that's so, what a blow up for her. What the fuck? Jewel and Kevin Costa relationship. And mine says, dude. They are friends and have never dated. Honestly, I almost feel,

is anyone making a movie about an AI just frantically trying to get answers on the internet and be like, I have, I have like one second, please help. It's just one guy. It's just one guy in a room. Just Wizard of Oz, but for AI, honestly. How old is Kevin Costner? It's probably almost 70.

Was that movie he made any good? I never watched it. The one he spent really hard. He quit the, the, what's the gold rush? The biggest show in America? Gold Valley. Yellowstone. You're thinking of Yellowstone with a movie he made was, God, why am I blanking?

He quit Yellowstone to make the movie. Horizon. Did anyone see that? I never heard a word about that, including from my father. I never watched it. He made a second one that nobody has purchased and will not release, and he had plans to make a third and fourth, which is definitely not happening. That's sad.

Yeah, I believe two of them were purchased, were acquired, and then the first one went so poorly, they were like, yeah, we're not releasing the second one. Wow. He started drinking coffee 12 years ago.

Still time for you, Craig. I drink macho now. Oh, your ceremonial grade matcha? I made one this morning, my own. Nice. I'm very good at you. Can I ask a question? What is the matcha,

you make taste like? Is it just like grassy, earthy? White, why? What is I put it? I'll put match in my shake, but you can't put too much or else it tastes like shit. Yeah, I would say it's very earthy. Some people would say grassy, earthy, nutty.

Some people. Earthy is what people say when it tastes really weird and they don't want to say that. Oh, that's the thing that weed is called, by the way, grass. That's dated. Did we say that? If someone said that my age on ironically, that would be like the inglorious bastards

like three fingers. I'd be like you're You're high as a fucking kite right now. Yeah, you know, earthy, umami. Does matcha have umami? Yeah, macha. Yeah, umami kind of flavors. Is it in the umami umbrella? And I don't know, like fucking black coffee

doesn't taste great. Fair. No, that's what the milk and sugar for. I do, I do black coffee. Neither does tea if we're being. honest. It's all the fucking acquired taste. I don't put a ton of sweetener and macho. I like the flavor of it.

I've gotten used to it a little bit more. The first time I tried it, I was like, what the hell is this? I think most things that taste bad in the beginning end up being your favorite things to consume. Like, beer doesn't taste that good on its surface. Yeah. Like, beer is kind of objectively not a good flavor. No, the first time I had beer, I was like, this is

Acquired taste to the best taste stuff. Acquired taste for the best. Nasty business. Yeah, I hated, I mean, how long did you hate waking up early? You know, it's like actually the best thing ever is waking up early. 100% going to bed early. I disagree with that. Well, that's because you haven't acquired it yet. I like staying up late and waking up early, which is hard.

Yeah, that's... I'm still trying to figure that up. Harder on the old body. Yeah. Because I love mornings. Like, man, if you're like, if you go on a walk at like 7.30 and it's like sunny, it's like the greatest feeling in the world. Yeah.

And but then also I love this like staying up till midnight and fucking around. Right. It's a vicious cycle, Craig. there's this new there's apparently a gene that they found recently that there's a very small percentage of people who only need like five hours of sleep and i'm wondering if i'm one of them because i feel like i only get about five six six a night ever and magically everybody who has a kid develops that gene uh no a lot of people just go crazy and have terrible health because they're not sleeping enough not you you're a specimen

i'm in my prime you showed up this season looking like marvin harrison fuck yeah just just guns. It'd be really funny of one of us just like took the maximum it's always sunny

huge. Yeah. Just showed up ripped. Who's it going to be? God, this has been an all-time

rant. Do you think if Bill was like, hey, you guys can do another rewatchables? What do you want to do? And I was like,

your highness. Do you think you would approve it or no? Only one way to find out, Craig. I mean, we've done some questionable films,

you know, we did a movie called someone to watch over me up two months ago you know what I mean yeah but that was uh in the wake of star was who is that it is redley Scott yeah okay like the legitimate director I think you'd be removed from the rewatchables well David Gordon green is a legitimate director how dare you yeah well who was the guy that's what happens oh he says no who are the what was the other movie we were talking about slackers that guy had no credit so do we wicks do we nix do he nix

goodbye everyone