The Ringer NFL Show - Bill Belichick Snubbed! What Happened?

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

Sheil is joined by The Ringer’s own Steven Ruiz to talk about Bill Belichick’s shocking omission from the NFL Hall of Fame this year. They then share their instant reactions to the news of the Cleveland Browns hiring Todd Monken as their new head coach. (00:00) Bill Belichick snubbed!(1:37) What happened?(7:20) The Bill Polian theory(19:15) Did voter assumption play a role? Is the outrage warranted?(22:40) Cleveland Browns hire HC Todd Monken The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Sheil KapadiaGuest: Steven RuizProducer: Chris SuttonVideo Editor: Stefano SanchezProduction Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Capadia. We've got a big story in the NFL, a big unexpected story in the NFL. Bill Belichick not getting into the Hall of Fame. It has people up in arms. We're going to dive into that. What is the process? How did they vote? Why did this happen? Is there any reason why it has legitimacy? We're going to get into all that. And then we'll finish the show, talking about another head coach opening being filled. This time is the Cleveland Browns with the surprise hiring Todd Monkin, the former Ravens offensive coordinator. My guest today is the ringer's Stephen Ruiz. Let's take a break. We'll come back with Stephen. The Ringer NFL show is presented by Fanduel. Fan Duel's got it all. Same game parlays,

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Ruiz. There's so much going on in the NFL right now. Coaches are getting hired. We're what? 10 days away from the Super Bowl, yet there is one story that has just swept everyone up this week, and that is Bill Belichick,

not getting into the Hall of Fame. So we're going to get into every aspect of this. What happened? How does the process work? But first, just give me your first impressions. You're an emotional guy. You like to just, you know, when you're feeling something, just throw it out there.

What did you think when you first heard this news? Yeah, I went on a tweet storm after I saw the news, but I was very encouraged, I had to say, about the blowback to the vote. I did think it would be a little more divisive. I thought there would be some people, like some prominent voices on one side going, no, like there was the deflate gate stuff, the spy gate stuff, just his interaction with the media. But I think it was like universally hated that the fact that he's not going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. But my first reaction was, I think the people that did vote against them, it's an ego thing on one hand. And it's,

you just don't respect the sport of football. And I think as a hired gatekeeper of the sport, as a Hall of Fame voter. That's just unacceptable, in my opinion. He's the greatest coach of all time, maybe the greatest coach in all of sports, and he's going to have to wait longer than Bill Polian had to wait to get into the Hall of Fame. To me, it's not even like really worth debating the credentials. I mean, he won six Super Bowls. He's second most victories behind Don Chula. There's nothing really to be like, well, I mean, we can have the Spygate conversation here in a little bit, but just in terms of what he accomplished in the NFL, there's no real debate there. So I don't think we need to spend too much time on that. So I think that, I think that's a lot of

a more interesting question is like how did this happen? Why did this happen? So here's how it works, the Hall of Fame vote. There is a panel of 50 voters, one from each NFL market, one additional writer that makes 33. And then there are these 17 additional voters, which some of them are media members, some of them are former coaches, execs, players, like you mentioned, Bill Pollian, Tony Dungey, Dan Fouts, James Lofton, these guys get a vote as well. So this specific vote with Belichick, there's kind of two categories. There's the modern era finalists where you see, you know, a bunch of guys and who's going to get in. But then there's this other thing, which is senior candidates and also coaches and exact. So basically what you had here was Bill

Belichick, Robert Kraft, and then three senior candidates, Bengals quarterback Ken Anderson, 49ers running back, Roger Craig, and Steelers defensive end, LC Greenwood. And Mike Sandow, of the Athletic did a good job explaining this on social media that each of the 50 voters has to pick three people from those five guys I just mentioned, the group that Belichick's in. And you got to get 40 votes to get in. And so, you know, you can game it any way you want. But this means it's actually surprising because this means it wasn't just one or two. This means that at least 11 voters did not vote for Bill Belichick among their top top. among that group or five.

They thought three of the other four were more deserving than Bill Belichick. So did that all make sense? Because it is very confusing. Anything to add on the process there? And that makes it even more surprising, I think, that it wasn't just like a couple people. At least 11 people out of the 50 voters did not vote for Belichick. And it's not like they only had to, could vote for one person. They could vote for three per people.

They could have had him third on their ballot. And he still would have got in. But 11 people didn't even have. them in their top three. And I wonder how many average football fans if you pull them all and you read off those names,

which of those five names would they know? And like, all respect to Kenny Anderson, but I don't think we need Ken Anderson in the Hall of Fame. Like Greenwood's another matter. I don't really know much about it. Roger Craig, I think, should have been in early. I was kind of shocked to hear that he hadn't been in already

just based on how dynamic of a running back he was. But out of all those five, even understanding the voting process and all that, I still can't fathom how Bill Belichick didn't make it through that, even though it's a flawed system. And I think the one thing I would add is it is a new system. And I think some of the voters were against the new setup where they were putting coaches in this senior category

and through this voting process. And apparently, I think it was Mike Sando who said it, was a reaction to maybe players like Dionne Sanders were kind of complaining that middle of the road players were getting in and like the standard was too low for some of these players. And that was the solution to it. I don't understand how that works. But no matter how you spin it,

I just don't understand how Bill Belichick doesn't go to the front of the line. I don't care who's in there, whether it's a coach or a player, there are only a handful of players I would put in front of the line for the Hall of Fame in front of Bill Belichick. And none of those players make the cut. Yeah, your test there is a good one. If I just said, Ruiz, pick out the 10 to 20 people you respect the most their opinion on the NFL

and give them those five names. and tell them to pick one, I almost feel like it would be unanimous that everyone would be like, all right, you know, you can make cases for the other guys and that kind of thing,

but I feel like Bill Belichick would be unanimous. So that brings us to what in the world happened here. And this is where it gets a little juicy. This is where, you know, I start liking it. All right,

the voting process, it could be a little boring, Hall of Fame. It's going to be a Netflix true crime doc one day. Yeah, that's right. You know, Hall of Fame. I'm like, all right, I don't really care, you know,

too much about it. But when you get to the juiciness of petty rivalries and backroom dealings and he said, she said, that's when as team content, you get my interest. So let's get to the most the juiciest theory, quite frankly here. And this is that Bill

polling, a long time Bill Belichick rival, GM of the Colts from 1998 to 2009, led a campaign of sorts. Again, this is just a theory. The reporting is from ESPN.com. Seth Wickersham and Don Van Nata, Don Van Nata, most of this reporting, that he led a campaign of sorts, I guess you could say,

to make Belichick wait a year because of his multiple cheating scandal. So this is from that ESPN article, which says multiple sources told ESPN that SPI-N and deflategate, the twin cheating scandals during the Patriots Championship run, came up in deliberations among voters. A voter who spoke on condition of anonymity said that Pollian, an Arden craft supporter, and former general manager of the Bills and Colts, a chief Patriots rival during their dynasty,

told some voters he believed Belichick should, quote, wait a year before induction as penance for Spygate, the 2007 cheating scandal that cost the team a first-round pick and there were fines and stuff there as well. So they reach out to Bill. Paulian Ruiz, and Pauline denies telling voters that Belichick should serve a one-year penance for SpyGate. He said he heard his fellow voters, quote, float that idea, but insisted he didn't agree or disagree with the proposal. He said he voted for Kraft and even spoke up on his behalf

during the deliberation saying Kraft had no knowledge of SpyGate. Now, this is where it gets interesting. Paulian added that he could not remember with 100% certainty if he voted for Belichick saying he was 95% sure he voted for the coach and a player most likely Greenwood. I was shocked to learn Bill didn't get in. Paulian said he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Now, I think that he also, I think it was Sports Illustrated also reached out to Bill Pollan and he categorically denied that and said that he did

vote for Belichick, but what do you make of this rivalry, Ruiz? It's not a rivalry because rivalry is supposed to be competitive and the Patriots were beating the hell out of the cults every year until Bill Polian decided to change the rules to favor their team. So I don't think it's really a rivalry.

And it actually goes back further before New England and Indianapolis. Bill Polion was the GM of the Bills, as you said. And Bill Belichick kind of made his name with that 1990 Super Bowl, where he outschemed the bills and ended up getting the job in Cleveland. So it goes back even further. I think he's salty about just getting his ass kicked by Bill Belichick for two decades. But, Shield, do you watch any, like, reality show, like Survivor, Big Brother, like those

competitions where people are voting? You know, not recently, but I was a big challenge guy back in the day. The challenge is another one, yeah. Yeah, I'm familiar with the voting process. Always very interesting part of those episodes. When you listen to the goats of those shows talk about their strategy, the, the The one strategy that always comes up is, especially when you're trying to influence a vote,

is you never want the people that are voting to realize that it was your idea. You kind of want to be the guy that kind of, you know, you start to get the whispers going. And eventually everyone votes. And then when it's time to, you know, look back at the vote and who voted for who, then they can be like, oh, I don't know. I wasn't it. You know, I didn't influence this vote at all.

I think that's what Pollyan is going for. And we're already seeing him start to backtrack and everything to start to crumble around him. If this was the challenge or a big brother or survivor, they would be like, all right, we're doing a house meeting. Everyone comes out. Do you remember the house meetings? Everyone comes out and you put everything out in the open. If we had a house meeting with all these voters, I think Bill Polly would come out looking exposed. Man, that would be interesting. Now, that would be, if you really want to get me interested in the Hall of Fame, let's, yeah, let's do something like that. Let's make this long meeting that they have with the whole panel. It's like a day-long meeting. Let's make that into a TV event. I think you stumbled onto something here.

I think we both did. And maybe we uncovered his conspiracy. Another possible theory behind this, maybe the Hall of Fame was like people are losing interest. We need some juice. Bill, we need you to take the fall. We're going to go to you. This is the best way to do it.

The other way to do it would have been making Tom Brady wait a year. By the way, deflakeet, maybe you should wait a year. Bill Pollyan's in charge. But that's another possible theory. We can't roll out anything at this point. So they do this year. It's a day-long meeting, I believe, you know, like literally day long, like eight hours,

where different people present different candidates. They all talk about it and they learn more about each candidate. That would be a great televised event. Honestly, I mean, the NFL, they can't put enough stuff on TV and make people bid up the rights. That is something that maybe people would watch. And I like your theory as well because it didn't have a lot of juice in the Hall of Fame. Normally I look at it.

I look at the names. Okay, cool. Yeah, he was a great player, never heard of him. All right, looks like, you know, he reads some story about a guy who had been waiting for a long time. All right, that's really cool. But I don't get that caught up in it, even the speeches. I usually will watch the clips, but I'm not watching the whole thing there in Can. So this is put the Hall of Fame more in the forefront, in the focus,

than maybe any other thing that's happened in recent memory. I think people are going to watch Belichick's induction speech next year. I think it's going to be a thing. It's like the handshake with the convoyal coach. Like, how is he going to respond? You know he's going to say something. He's Belichick. He's going to say something when ever he gets in.

I think that's what it was. I think they're just trying to get eyes on events. You know, they put Chador in the Pro Bowl. Maybe that was the alternative. We put Chador in Canton right now instead of holding Belichick out. But I think there's something nefarious going on behind the scenes because that's a better explanation than our voting system resulted in Bill Belichick not getting in the Hall of Fame. It's like the show The Good Place.

I don't know if you watched that where they figured out that like nobody gets into the good place because it's impossible to be a good person on Earth because of everything. So maybe that's the case. here, but it's, I feel like the Hall of Fame has been scrutinized for the voting process and who's getting in and who doesn't get in. And I think this might be the moment where we decide to tear it down and kind of start over, because I think it's needed. A veteran hall voter told ESPN, the only explanation for the outcome was the cheating stuff, it really bothered some of the guys. Now, let's say that, you know, it hasn't been transparent. That's the one thing that they are told, uh, do not disclose

how you vote, I think, because they don't, I really don't totally understand. It's because they don't want outside influence or pressure to be a factor. I guess if you don't vote for someone, now all of a sudden that fan base is just you have a target on your back for the rest of your career because you didn't vote for. My guess, it's something like that. I sort of feel like if you're going to take on the responsibility of being a voter,

then maybe you should deal with that. And maybe it should just be transparent because, you know, I actually would have more respect, and I think you might disagree with this. But if a voter came out and said, I didn't vote for Belichick, okay, because of SpyGate, because I think he cheated. I think the integrity of the game. He cheated the integrity of the game. The league did an investigation. They lost a draft pick.

The team was fine. He was fine. They destroyed the tapes. That never sat well with me. I know he's a great coach and I know he's going to get in eventually and I will put him in eventually. But I am making him wait a year because I don't think that that should just get swept under the rug. I wouldn't have a problem with that personally. I would be like, okay, that's, you know,

do you, well, are you doing that with everybody else? Exactly, that's the problem. Yes, there's a lot. There's a lot of moral arbiter of the game, like who gets to decide what's breaking the integrity of the game where, you know, Tom Brady, deflategate, that's going against the integrity of the game. Bill Cowher came out and was like everyone was doing what Belichick was doing in a way.

Belichick said that recently, or not Belichick, Bill Cowher, and Bill Cowher is in the Hall of Fame. And we didn't hold that against him. So, like, there are plenty of cheaters. There are steroid users in the game. There are people that have been fined. Like, the Broncos got fined a bunch at the beginning of the 2000s for what they were doing with the salary cap

when they won those Super Bowls. No one held that against Pat Boland, I don't believe. I think he ended up making the Hall of Fame as a contributor. So that, even that falls flat for me. Like, they got punished. It wasn't that big of a deal. I know it was a big deal at the time, but, like, in the grand scheme of things,

Belichick continued to win afterwards. He was winning before then. So, like, even that argument, it just falls flat to me. This is one of the greatest influences on football that we've ever seen from any individual. He's been a part of the sport for, I think, five decades now. He's coach under some great coaches. He's had great coaches come up from under him. Nick's the greatest coach in college football history came up from under him.

Nick Sabin. It's ridiculous. And the other part of it, I think there are other people saying, like, oh, the time after Tom Brady kind of exposed him for what he was and he was kind of riding Brady. Like, are you serious? What he did as a defensive coordinator was Hall of Fame Worthy on its own. His game plan for that Bill Super Bowl is in the Hall of Fame. He went to

the Browns in one of playoff game with them and had them as super, like sports illustrated the year before they moved, had them as the Super Bowl favorites going into the year. That's how well he built up that team before they decided to announce they were moving to Baltimore and everything fell apart. So like this guy has been successful elsewhere

and without Tom Brady. He made the playoffs with Matt Jones. Like that's a Hall of Fame worthy accomplishment in my opinion. And the other part of this is Tom Brady himself has said like Bill Belichick was in those meetings with me all the time. He taught me how to read coverages. Like he developed maybe the greatest quarterback of all time.

And that's another thing you should get credit for. It shouldn't be held against him. So if that's your other argument for why he should be held out or have to wait a year or whatever, if you want to question his greatness, like even that doesn't work. Yeah, that one is pretty much impossible because it's just, you know,

you look at the body of work and it's like it kind of doesn't matter. You can say I give Brady more credit than Belichick and it really doesn't matter when you look at the entire body of work there. So at least that, at least if that was a reasoning, I would just want to know and a voter should put their name on and say, this is why I'm doing it. And then, all right, you can rip them and say, I totally disagree with that. I don't think you should be doing that. We can point to all the stuff in baseball. We can point to the players who have gotten in with some heinous off-field stuff, which we don't bring up when they get into the Hall of Fame.

So there's all that stuff that, you know, these are Hall of Fame things that when I was a kid. I remember Sports Talk Radio. It was like this would just take up an entire program. for four hours, they would have these conversations about Pete Rose or whoever it is. But here, it's just, you know, there's not kind of that transparency. We had the Polly and theory here as well. So let me take a break. I want to give you one more theory that I saw out there. You can tell me if you think that one has any merit.

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Voters assumed he would get in. Now, you know, it's like, it's like they thought everyone else is going to vote for him. I really like these other three guys. I want them to get in. Belichick doesn't need my vote. And then like enough people do that. And it ends up to 11 and he ends up not getting in. What do you think?

No, no way. No one's like, yeah, I can burn my vote on Ken Anderson just because Belichick's going to get in. That doesn't make sense to be at all. I think Pollian is behind this. You cannot knock me off that theory. I don't care if he refutes it. He's already walking back the fact that he didn't remember his vote, which happened, by the way, a couple weeks ago.

It wasn't like he voted a year ago, and he's like, oh, I don't remember. And then people have defended him and it said, like, he takes it very seriously. You know, he has a criteria and he sticks to it. But the guy doesn't remember who he voted for two weeks later. So, no, I can't get off Bill Pollyne, who famously had a first round grade on Tom Brady.

That's what he claimed 10 years later. Yeah. So I don't know you could take his word for. I thought you were bringing up Lamar Jackson there, but no, You don't even need to bring that up. Everyone knows about that. But this is worse.

Claiming that you had a first round grade on Tom Brady and not burning a fifth round pick. In your GM, you should not be in the Hall of Fame. How about that? All right. So the other twist here is that Robert Kraft might get in. Ruiz and Bill Belichick would not get in. All right.

I haven't asked you about this, but I feel like you're going to be on my page with this. Why are owners eligible to be in the Hall of Fame? I mean, what a joke. I don't even like when they go to them right after a team wins a championship or wins the Super Bowl and they get to talk up there. Like, no, just because you have the money, you were not responsible for all this because you lucked into Bill Belichick and then your team lucked into Tom Brady in the sixth round and

now you're going to the Hall of Fame. Why do owners even belong in the Hall of Fame, Ruiz? I'll take it a step further. Why did general managers belong in it? They're wrong below. I mean, I think there are some transformative general managers that belong to be in there. But I don't think Bill Paulian is one of them. That's my axe to grind here is I get Bill Poli and out the Hall of Fame. Oh, that's my take. But I do think that Kraft, I could see Kraft being behind this, and not even as like a vindictive, like I want to stick it to Belichick for whatever.

I think him getting into the Hall of Fame, maybe he realized like this is a year I'm going to get in. I don't want that overshadowed. Overshadowed. With the Belichick thing and all that. So I could, I could buy that. Okay. Yeah. I could see that as well.

You know what? Owners should just have to buy their way in to the Hall of Fame and then like give that money to charity. I agree. Last day, it's at least a little bit funny, right? How much everyone kind of lost their minds about this in the last 24 hours or no. I did. I mean, it was the outrage and I understand it. And I agree with everyone that it should have got in.

But it almost felt it was one of those things where it felt like everyone had to kind of one up the other with their outrage. I did notice that at least. No, it is a funny outcome. I do have to say that. As someone who really loves football and respects the sport and respects the preservation of the history of the sport, I was upset by it, but it's still funny. It still could be funny, but like I said at the beginning of the show,

like I was very encouraged that everybody was on board, and they were like, no, screw this. This is injustice. I wouldn't take it that far. I wouldn't use the word of justice, but I think people did. Yeah, no one's really zagging and taking the other side. Well, he doesn't belong in there.

No one's really doing that. All right, so we'll see what happens with this Belichick story. But we got another coach hire Ruiz. One more Brownshire, Todd Monkin, in a, I would say, surprise move. It sure seemed like they were having a tough time finding anyone who wanted that job. I like Todd Munkin as an offensive coach.

I don't know if he's going to be a good head coach or not. It doesn't help that their offensive players kind of stink and they don't really have an offensive line and they don't have a quarterback. To me, this just feels like, let's just throw someone in there while we get our house in order over the next couple of years type of hire.

And I know they looked at some younger names, Nate Sheill House of the Browns, And I thought maybe they'd go that direction where they'd say, let's get someone young. He might not be great right away. But if he has potential, he can grow into the role. And maybe two years from now, when we're a more competitive team, we have him, we've learned more about him.

He's gotten those reps. They didn't go in that direction. They went with Todd Munkin, who's 60 years old. What did you make of this move? Yeah, I'll preface this with the caveat we always say with these head coaching hires, especially when you haven't seen someone do it before. Like, it's impossible to be able to tell based on a coordinator role, like how good they're going to be at this job, which is totally different.

But the red flags, or not the red flags, but the context in which Monkin had to wait this long to get the job and how it ended in Baltimore where it seemed like he wore out his welcome in the locker room, especially with the players. And the fact that he had been a head coaching candidate years ago, like after 2019 when he was with the Bucks, ended up being the offensive coordinator with this team, the Browns. It just, it would be hard for me to get excited about that. And I know it came out of nowhere,

and I know Browns fans had their sights set on younger candidates, but one, you could take the Munkin thing out of it from the Browns perspective. I think this is just the problem, the problems they had getting a candidate. This is just the problem when you have a longstanding GM who's been there for a while, kind of under fire. And I think you get these idealistic guys that are coming up and trying to make a career. They want to be a head coach, but they want this to be a forever job and not just a stepping stone or a notch on their belt.

I think they probably have ideas on how they want the personnel to be run and they probably had some thoughts on how the Browns have been running their personnel. So it doesn't surprise me that those guys didn't end up working out and some of them pulled out and some of them didn't get hired. And that a guy that has been around the sport and hasn't had this opportunity was like, yeah, sure, whatever. Sure, I'll coach up Shador. I don't care. I don't care.

That's what it comes off to me as. And I just can't be excited about that at all from either perspective, whether you're looking at it from the team perspective and what it means for them or the outlook for Munkin coaching this team. Yeah, there are, you know, coach-centric organization. organizations, and then there are front office-centric organizations. And Andrew Berry coming from Philadelphia, which is very much a front-office-centric organization that has had a lot of success doing it that way over the last 10 years or so.

And then it feels like the Browns want to be that with Barry and the ownership there, but there are some hurdles there. Like I think you're seeing it a little bit with the Eagles and their offensive coordinator search and, you know, kind of the coach, not never really getting any credit there in Philadelphia, where if you're just a prospective coach, now there's only 30. two jobs. So there's always going to be someone like Bunkin or if they handed it to Jim Schwartz who's going to be like, yeah, I'll take it. I don't have better options. But if you do have better options, if you feel like, hey, I'm going to go there, it's going to be a train wreck for

two years. And then I'm going to ruin my career and never get a chance again. Then you're like, I'm going to, I'm cool hanging out with Sean McVeigh here for another year. And I'll put my name back into the mix next season. So I think that's interesting. The ripple effects here I thought might be the most interesting thing, Ruiz. Like the Browns, irrelevant mostly. You know, for the next year. However, Giants, there was a lot of talk that Todd Monkin was going to be John Harbaugh's OC with the Giants and now that's not going to be the case. So that's an opening.

And then Jim Schwartz, by all the reporting, Jim Schwartz didn't seem shy about letting people know he was not, he was not happy about this. Maybe it was his agent. Maybe it was someone else in the Brown's organization. But my entire timeline was like, Jim Schwartz will not go back to the Browns. He is very upset. He's cursing people out. I don't know if it went that far. It made it very clear that he was not happy about this.

Jim Schwartz, I think one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL, now there are teams that can look at it and say, hey, do we want to bring in Jim Schwartz, a team like the 49ers? So I don't think they've filled that position yet. Robert Salah goes to Tennessee. That will be interesting, too, to see if Jim Schwartz lands somewhere. Yeah, I think he's definitely a difference-making defensive coordinator.

I don't think there are many of those going around. So I think that is a big deal. But I agree with you, the first thing you said, like, I was talking to Anthony Dubundo before recording this. So he was saying it, I agreed with them that the Giants are the biggest loser in this outtum because Munkin is gone. And do we really trust John Harbaal to hire an offensive coordinator? I don't know if I do, just looking at his track record in Baltimore, there's a chance

that this ends with Greg Roman offensive coordinator for Jackson Dardt. I don't think so. I would be shocked, too, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that that happens. I'm guessing that he goes for a younger guy who's been on his staff before, but he doesn't really have a deep roster when it comes to that. And the timing's tough. A lot of these jobs. Yeah, a lot of these jobs have been taken.

He's not finding out until now that the guy he wanted is taking the head coaching job. So it definitely shrinks your pool of candidates, even if you felt like you had a good roller decks of guys. And I think you still, and I think this applies to the Eagles in a certain ways. I think you still have guys waiting for that Seattle opening because everybody assumes that Kubiak is on his way to Las Vegas. And I think he's going to get a job. And if I'm a offensive coordinator out there, that's the place I want to do it.

Because one, I think they have some good pieces to work with. obviously, but I think the better part is that you have this defense that no matter what, we're going to be playoff contenders and in contention. And like you saw it with Kellyn Moore where in Philadelphia, everyone was complaining about the job he was doing up until the NFC championship game. And the reason they were there was because of the defense and the run game. But it only takes a high profile game on a big stage and you're a head coach. So I think that's like a spot that a lot of these guys are waiting for.

Yeah, 49ers defensive coordinator, Giants O.C., Eagles O.C., Raiders head coach. job Seahawks O.C. It's like there's still a wild coaching cycle and still some dominoes to fall between now and whenever all those spots are filled. All right. Thank you to Stephen Ruiz. Thank you to Christopher Sutton for producing Stefano Sanchez on video editing and additional production supervision by Connor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgapal. My name is Shiel Kapadia. We will be back tomorrow on the Ringer NFL show. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas. Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D.C., Kentucky or Wyoming.

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