The Ringer NFL Show - Breaking Down Tom Brady’s New Offense. Plus: Bucs or Pats, Who Has the Better 2020? | The Ringer NFL Show

Episode Date: March 18, 2020

Danny Kelly joins the show to talk about Tom Brady’s fit in a potentially-explosive-but-not-perfect Tampa Bay offense (0:31). Then, Tom Brady superfan Kevin O’Connor joins to defend Tom’s legacy and future, and debate whether the Bucs or the Patriots have a better opportunity to compete for a Super Bowl this year (16:40). Host: Kevin Clark Guests: Danny Kelly and Kevin O’Connor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Danny Kelly on there. other line, Danny, what's going on? Not a whole lot, man. Just hanging in there, kind of doing the whole self-quarantine thing. How are you doing? You just told us you cut off, you just stopped talking to people.

Yeah, I'm cutting off everyone. So this is a nice little social break from you. Yeah. You are in Seattle. Well, I'm in the Seattle area, but yes. I'm not in Seattle proper. Okay. All is well, though.

That is the updates we've been getting from you, and I asked you last week how you were dealing with it. And you said it doesn't matter because you're just grinding tape anyway. it's not a huge, huge effect of me because I'm already kind of a homebody but obviously not being able to see anybody is definitely a weird thing.

But it seems like people are taking it pretty well so far. I'll tell you here you're able to see in the last 24 hours. Chris Godwin, O.J. Howard, Mike Evans, Ronald Jones. It's the Tampa Buccaneers offense that Tom Brady will be joining. So Tom Brady, I don't know,

this is not, he didn't exactly stun the world from as far as this week goes. We kind of knew who the candidates were, but if you had said six, eight months ago, he'd be joining the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I think we'd all be surprised. Yeah. There's a football case for it.

Robert Mays laid that out on the ringer.com today. Bruce Ariens has coached a lot of good quarterbacks. He has coached them in some cases into their later career. I mean, we saw what he was able to do. Carson Palmer. Let's leave that, the knee stuff aside for a second.

Carson Palmer had a renaissance in Arizona that he did not have in Oakland. Carson Palmer was younger than Tom Brady is now, but again, that's, if you're just looking for how Bruce Ariens treats quarterbacks, the short answer is he treats them well. From football standpoint, Danny Kelly,

take me through this. Is this a dream destination for Tom Brady? Is it a okay destination for Tom Brady? Is it going to work? When you look at the bucks and you look at the weapons, you look at the offense, according to Byron and left, which how do you rank this as far as just,

football destinations for Tom Brady. I think I've kind of come full circle on this. My initial reaction was that stylistically it was a strange fit. Like, you can't have a more, you can't have a stronger contrast in terms of styles than James Winston and Tom Brady in terms of Winston's, you know, average depth of target was second best in the NFL last season, 10.9. Tom Brady's, meanwhile, was 26, was just a little bit behind Mitch Trubisky, Mason Rudolph, and Jacoby Brissette, if it gives you an idea of kind of,

the different styles of aggressiveness and all that. I will say, I will say real quick, Provable Focus had this today. Bruce Aaron's offense obviously goes from 10 to 20 yards down the field. They like to attack. Brady is the highest graded quarterback on those throws over the last five seasons. Whether or not that talent can age is another story. We'll get to sort of whether or not he's on the verge of a cliff or not in a second.

But yeah, that is one little kind of piece to this. All right. Keep going. No, and that's what I was getting at is essentially, And then I kind of looked deeper into it. I looked at the offense. I looked at, you know, Mays wrote that great article, which kind of turned my, it turned my mindset a little bit. And then I read another good article by Doug Farrar of a touchdown wire.

And he mentioned, he interviewed Carson Palmer back in the day. And Palmer was a huge, huge, you know, advocate for Ariens, loves Ariens. And the things he was saying about not necessarily like the style that Ariens has, because he's been known for that no risket, no biscuit thing, which is just means lots and lots of aggressive downfield throws, but there's more to it than that. I think Ariens, over the years, has made a reputation,

and his offense has been consistently good because he's so good at play sequencing, too. And from that for our article, Palmer said it wasn't just the game plan, it was his timing. He was on point with his calls, just when he was calling certain things. So, you know, it's play sequencing.

It's keeping defenses off balance. It's, you know, hitting them with screens, hitting with the run game, hitting them with deep shots. is all that. And I think Brady can run that. You know, that's Brady's specialty

is finding a weakness and a defense and exploiting it. I don't think it's going to be the same style we saw with James Winston, obviously, where he's passing it down the field more than most people. That too. It's going to be completely different ballgame in that area. So bottom line is, yeah,

I've come around on the idea, and it actually makes, you know, a lot of sense. I'm surprised it maybe wasn't a stronger candidate. Maybe Tampa Bay is just not at the front of it. anyone's minds, but I mean, yeah, you have two elite receivers in Evans and Godwin, got a good, talented tight end who had a really bad season last year in OJ Howard. He has a lot of talent and potential, though, I think still. I do think he's been overrated in this discussion. I think, you know, Chris Godwin and Mike Evans, 2,000-R receivers were both really talented. I know that there are, there are questions

about how much they've benefited from just the aggression downfield with some of the numbers, but they're unquestioningly two talented wide receivers. And I think that we've been grouping O.J. Howard in as sort of a big three and I'm not ready to do that with OJ Howard yet. Watch Cameron Brate be like the superstar tight end in that offense going forward now. But yeah, bottom line is I've come around on. I actually do think it's a good fit. I mean, the odds for their Super Bowl have gone up immensely since he was signed. Their defense is underrated.

I don't know if anyone's talking about their defense, you know, outside of the last few days because their defense ended up being way, way better last season than anyone expected. They're going in the right direction. defense is as you know sort of not something that you can rely on year to year to translate but they were 29th points but they

showed some signs of life yeah in DVOA I believe they were fifth and I think they finished maybe in third or something like that and weighted so they got better as a season go went on it's a little and I will say this I'm sure there's numbers to dispute this but it's pretty hard to be an elite defense when your quarterback's thrown

30 interceptions yeah there's some there's some field position problems at some point. Exactly. So I don't know, man. It's absolutely bizarre to me to think about Brady in a Buccaneers uniform. By the way, we don't actually know what the Buccaneers uniforms look like yet because they're changing their uniforms. I've seen some mockups. They look pretty nice. Yeah. I, I, they're, to me, okay, so this is a total tangent, but the best uniforms are the simplest ones to me. And that's one of the reasons the current Buccaneers with all their weird piping and everything all over the place and different colors are terrible. But the new ones, according to what we've seen on the

internet are just basically, you know, the, just two colors. Like the jerseys, one color and the pants or another color with one stripe, which is, it's just, it appeals to the classicist in me in terms of old school uniforms or it's just like one color. I just love that. So John Ewing had this today, that Brady and the Bucks are now plus 1,600 to win the Super Bowl. It's the first time that Brady has had a Super Bowl odds of over 15, plus 1,500 since 2003. Crazy. Okay. I mean, and by the way, obviously, every time he started for the Patriots for full season, he's won the division, all that stuff. Yeah. From a schedule standpoint, it's interesting to me, I mean, Drew Breeze is in that division. The Falcons are okay. The Panthers are kind of, I'm not really sure what direction they're heading in. They cut Eric Reed today, but then they signed Teddy Bridgewater yesterday. I'm not sure. I mean, I think, I think that this is a Buck Saints showdown. Am I wrong? I would say it feels like the Panthers are sort of in a

not rebuilding necessarily but transitioner. They're TBD for me. Yeah. I would say I wouldn't sleep on the Falcons. Neither would I. I'm trying to talk myself into the Falcons. Yeah. I mean, it's just one of those things. Shil Capaddea was on last week and he's a falcons head this year. He's on the train. I mean, the Falcons, the Falcons have the offense to just, they could shred people.

I believe that their offense can be very good still. the defense on the other hand is just a big question mark so we'll see but I don't know that's going to be a very very interesting division now I think those are those three teams that absolutely have a chance of kind of it's like almost like the NFC South or the AFC South a little bit where you just look at it you know like I don't know exactly who the who the best team is here AFC South and the NFC South are always just complete stayaways from you know anything about football so I want to talk about this real quick so

I keep thinking about this Kevin Cole piece from football focus that he wrote later in the season about kind of how the old quarterbacks were aging and essentially the things he said and he used some scott barrett uh data as well basically there are no indicators of impending collapse for old quarterbacks it's a cliff it's a literal statistical cliff and then one day you have it and one day you don't i guess it's not a literal cliff but um it is it's one day you are you can be patent manning 2013 and then you can you could not be anymore one day or 2014 when he was still productive

and then the next year he just was you know he picks up a couple injuries you know I talked we talked with this on Bill Simmons podcast a couple weeks ago where basically it's not just the aging curve it's you know you get an injury that you can't recover from and all of a sudden everything changes that kind of thing

we've seen that with a lot of guys and Tom Brady was okay last year and he's the type of quarterback who with his pedigree and his production last year I understand why you would take a chance, give him $30 million. What are the percentages that Tom Brady is Tom Brady this year for you versus what are the percentages that he is 43 years old and at some point he becomes human?

Oh, I don't know. I'd say maybe like 70, 30 that he'll stay something similar to what we saw last year. And then 30% like you just never know. That would be my, that will be my guess. He has a pretty good year like you did last year. you know listen pass rating is not all that important but uh it's kind of a good guide to how he was it was 88 last year which was his lowest number i think six years and but it's still that's still fine and you know he didn't have he had no one to throw to it right that's a huge factor you lose

gronk i mean you you upgrade the weapons and all of the sudden things start looking differently for you and so i think there's a there's a real case to be made that he's going to be pretty good this year. You know, he's always said, I haven't heard this lately, but the book on him for a long time was that he wanted to play it to who is 46. That's based on some of the sort of coaching metrics that he's had privately. Essentially, you know, the thing I was heard was that no one Ryan threw to who is 46 and was fine. And the throwing motion can stay intact. So if you, if you can have the intellect and sort of know where to go as long as you have the arm, presumably you could keep it going, right? But if there are, there's a lot of data that shows that, that, Every time Tom Brady throws a ball, he's basically breaking a record, right? Like, it's just him and Warren Moon. When you start to look at these guys, and it's like, there's just not a lot of guys who are here. And so you can say, A, there's a reason for that. And quarterbacks just don't age that well.

Or B, this is a new generation of guys who took care of their body and guys who came in with modern medicine and sort of had the plan to play for over two decades and that things are going to be different. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, the same thing plays out with Drew Brees. Will Patrick Mahomes be playing 20 years from now? Maybe. I don't know. I mean, it just depends whether or not the way guys take care of their bodies and the way these guys protect their careers can outweigh father time. Yeah.

The one thing I'm kind of curious about when it comes to the age curve and all that is a lot of the times you see guys start to trail off as the season goes on. I mean, we've seen that with Drew Greys. Definitely. So I'm curious, like, you know, obviously some of these might be just looking at the whole season in general. Like, oh, his season looked fine, but like Drew Breweries last year kind of fell off towards the end. And his overall season stats were okay and everything. But I'm wondering if that will be something like a micro look at kind of the season, you know, looking at it like a quarterly or whatever.

I would say the one argument against against. against Brady tailing off is that he won the Super Bowl 14 months ago, 13 months ago. Right. So, I mean, I,

I, that's, that's kind of fresh in my, in my mind. And so, listen, I, this is all very weird.

I still haven't been able to process it, quite frankly. No. It's also kind of a weird time for this to happen because there's a global pandemic happening.

Yes. So, I don't know. That too. So it's just a weird time for this on the break. Everything is surreal. Everything is surreal right now.

Everything is really surreal. and like are there going to be, I think this is a weird thing to sort of throw in there, but I, quite frankly, I mean, offseason programs are canceled. Yeah.

Training camp is almost certainly the next time that teams will get together. There's going to be a lot of chemistry. Not problems, but you're going to have 16 training camp practices to get on the same page. Yeah. If anybody can do that and if anybody can speed that up

and replicate it, that's Tom Brady. but that is one thing that they're going to have to do work really hard on is getting that offense down really quickly. Tom Brady's going to learn the offense

and he's probably already learned it in the 24 hours since you decided. He's fine. He uploaded it. Yeah, it's more about Godwin and Evans and Howard

and Ronald Jones or whoever kind of learning the demands of playing with Tom Brady because quite frankly they are demands. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about Nick Foles for a second.

He goes to Chicago. This is a fine idea. I mean, so the word now is that they were never serious about Cam Newton because of the health thing. I understand that. Cam Newton's ceiling is obviously significantly higher than Nick Foles is sealing. But Nick Foll was won a Super Bowl. He is, he's, we know how solid he can be and we know what kind of role he can play. And if he is healthy and he is and he's healthier than Cam Newton, I think this was the move.

I mean, this makes perfect sense in terms of what you were just saying, too, when it comes to the comfort in a system and all the worries about that in this particular season, especially because of the threat of OTAs and all that getting put off. Foles is familiar with Nagy. He's familiar with the scheme. He's played his best football, frankly, in his career when he's been an RPO-heavy offense, kind of this spread offense type thing, that the bear, a version of what the bears run.

And so, like, to me, it's like, it makes a lot of sense schematically. He's going to hit the ground running relative. So in terms of just giving Foles the best chance of having success, I think that makes a ton of sense. It makes a ton of sense for Jacksonville, who never felt like a great fit for him in the first

place, and now they have Minchu to kind of develop there and see how that goes. They get out from under his contract. The question I guess I have is, I've seen a few people, I've seen different people debating this a little bit, whether Foles is the presumptive starter or is he's coming in and actually having a competition

with Chibisky because he's... Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, let me stop you right there. No matter, this is the semantics thing, terminology or whatever, Foles is going to beat Mitch Chubisky in a competition. Okay, cool. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, we're all set there. I mean, I, that's

definitely what I think. It's like, you know how in college football, you know how in college football, everybody, like the weekend before the big rivalry schedule is like Central Carolina and just like, oh, we got to get through them to get to the big game. Like that's scheduling a competition with Mitch Chubisky. They're going to be fine. Yeah.

Well, they're going to be fine. RIP Mitch, I guess that the era, the Mitch Trisky era then is over. It's kind of strange too. Is it? I mean, yeah, it's a little bit strange. It's a lot less strange than Tom Brady leaving the Patriots after 20 years and six Super Bowls. If you were to told me six months ago, if you were to tell me the Mitch Chubisky era was

ending six months ago, have gone, yeah, okay. If someone had told me Tom Brady is going to the buck six months ago, I'd say, okay, I have some follow-up questions. All right, I have no follow-up questions whatsoever on the Trubisky era ending. All right, Danny Kelly, how did the Seahawks doing? They haven't really done a whole lot in free agency. They got, they reigned Jaron Reed, the defensive tackle.

Other than that, they've been quiet. And this is Wednesday afternoon, so maybe we'll see what Jadavian Clownie does. Yeah, DeVey and Clowney's market is not what they thought it was going to be. It's a little lower. So maybe the peak gets to sneak. make him back on the roster. Yeah, that would be good. Also, there was sort of these rumors this morning that Yanuk and Gakway is in Seattle

based on his story on Instagram. So we'll see if there's maybe a trade in the works for that. What is the evidence there? He had, someone took a still from one of his Instagram stories of an airport, and it looked very much like the Seattle airport. Is he the last guy, is he the last guy just taking domestic commercial flights? Why the hell would you fly to Seattle right now, first of all? Although I think right now isn't it not even legal for teams to meet with players?

I think I saw someone saying that. They're not doing physicals right now. Got it. Maybe he just wants to hang out. I mean, I don't think anything is open. You should break your social distancing to go hang out with the other. Maybe he just wants to go on a hike or something. I don't know.

He wants to go on a hike. Okay, Danny Kelly. Thank you for so much. What a great social distance podcast is then. Thank you, man. We welcome in now from Massachusetts, where everyone is in morning right now. Kevin O'Connor. Kevin, what's going on, buddy? What's going on, Kev? How are you doing today? Have you called into Boston Sports Talk Radio yet? I have not, actually. This is your equivalent of that.

I haven't been outside, but this will fill that void for me, Kev. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. No, of course. We need something to distract us all. Bobby Wagner, our producer, we were just on Barry Bonds' baseball reference page for five minutes talking about its 2004 season. So that's where we are in life. And so Tom Brady and NFL free agency have entertained us and given us content. Okay. So this is a sad day for you. So let's start from the top.

Okay. This is from ESPN stats and info and I can't get over it. Tom Brady has started 283 games in his career. He could start another 283, lose all of them, and still have a better winning percentage than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers franchise. Jeez. That really puts it in a perspective. That does.

So you were on Twitter yesterday, and we've talked about this for a long time. You think Tom Brady still has gas in the tank. You think he's the goat and will remain it. Give me the football case for Tom Brady remaining Tom Brady next year. Listen, Kevin, you're right. We've been through this before. It happened last season.

And, of course, it didn't end well for Tom Brady. Final pass as a New England Patriot being a pick. six, not the way you want to end a career. However, we have seen throughout history these moments in Tom Brady's career. We saw in 06 when he's throwing the ball through Rishay, bug eyes called

well, losing to the Colts in the AFC championship came, questioning if he can still win with that franchise without the top end defense. Comes back to next year, has one of the greatest offensive seasons ever. Of course, they go 18 and 1, but still a historic year. Tears his ACL, Matt

Castle goes 11 and 5. The question in Boston sports media at least is should the Patriots build with Castle? Younger, cheaper, is this the way to go? Idiots. At what point, Tom Brady playing ahead of Ryan Mallet, is he the guy who's going to take over for Tom Brady?

Of course not. At one point, after the loss of the Chiefs, on to Cincinnati, has Tom Brady lost it? Should Jimmy Garapel replace him? Is Tom Brady getting old? No. Has won three Super Bowls. Right now, of course,

understandably, Brady at his age, it is fair to ask questions of his ability. However, I think you really still have to look at circumstances here and look at the receivers on last year's roster with their inability to get separation. And that is a necessity for any quarterback to have success. And I think when you look at Tom Brady alone, he still has shown the ability to fire accurate passes. He still has shown the ability to move within the pocket and extend

a play, he still has shown that clutchability that he has always had. I think Tom Brady with a new receiving core in Tampa Bay, with a better offensive line, with these weapons that he will now have, is going to have another great season. And some of these conversations and questions and takes about him being washed are going to end up looking incredibly silly next season. So I just want to to take a step back here both here both on a pod earlier this week and on slow news day last week with Bill Simmons where Shea Caldwell just keeps catching strays

he stunk okay who has a better chance of being a legitimate contender in in 2020 the bucks are the pets the bucks because they have Tom Brady wow and we're going to see the difference here because look I grew up a Patriots fan

I have watched every single Tom Brady game in my life. I've watched every single game he has played. And I am a Patriots fan, but I'm a bigger Tom Brady fan than I am a Patriots fan. Wow. I think if you look at the Patriots roster, you look at their losses this year, major losses on the defensive end of the ball. And on offense have not made any notable additions at all. If you look at their situation and if you're Tom Brady, you're thinking,

What gives me the best chance to win my seventh Super Bowl? I think you look at Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Andre Howard, Cameron, and Great. You look at these guys. You look at Tampa Bay's cap space. You look at the things that they can do. You're thinking, I can win here. I can carry this offense.

And I can continue to prove the delters wrong that I've always questioned my ability all throughout my career. Even when he was winning Super Bowls, man. Even when he was winning Super Bowls, those debates were happening, how he's a game managing quarterback and that has proven not to be the case and even now those questions

are still being asked as they should be of any great player all the goats got questioned Michael Jordan got questioned LeBron James always gets questioned today that's how the bar is just so high for these level of players and I think Brady put himself in a better situation to continue winning at the highest level

you can root for the bucks this year dude yeah I mean I'm rooting for Tom Brady I'm rooting for Tom Brady more so that I believe I'll be rooting for the bucks. I'm still, I was just talking with one of my best friends about this yesterday. As a Patriots fan,

I feel more intrigue for the season ahead, you know? I think whether it's stidimic quarterback or whether they make a different addition, I think they're going to add a veteran, but I think they're going to get weird. I think they're going to like experiment with the position a little bit. Interesting.

Well, you know, you mean like maybe a quarterback with legs. Like a Taysom Hill change a pace type guy. Ah. I mean, they've never been afraid to obviously use guys on different sides of the ball. And change their playbook. Sure.

Just because they think there's an inefficiency somewhere. Well, and even with Garapolo, there was some different plays they had in the playbook for when he was even in the game in preseason in his years in New England. And I think, you know, that's one of the reasons why I think internally in New England, they felt some optimism that he could be the guy. Obviously, that didn't work out. But I think he was sort of their vision of where they would like to take the office. offense instead him can move around a little bit. So maybe if they do roll with him, we'll see

some changes along the offense. But I mean, look, like, I think if this happened before Tom Brady won another Super Bowl, with the Patriots before winning his fourth Super Bowl, I'd feel heartbroken. Because that lost the New York Giants in 08 still hurts to this day. I was at the game in 08

later that year when he tore his ACL against the Chiefs, and I'll never forget that moment when that happened. And I think it would have been really heartbreaking had he not won another Super Bowl. And I probably sound like a most spoiled brat here, which I am as a Patriots fan. But the fact is, is that considering all the success, these 20 years that he played in New England, if you're unhappy, it's understandable as a fan. But it's, I have a hard time finding any unhappiness today. Really, it's just joy for everything that happened. It's something that I'm going to look back on 25 years from now and think to myself,

like, geez, boy, was I lucky to live through that through some real formative years of my life. Boy, was I lucky to live through that is not what I'm going to be thinking about Tom Brady in 25 years. I'm going to be thinking about something else that's going on right now. Kev, I have one question. When I talk about Brady's ability still as a quarterback, aside from his receivers and ability to get open, when I talk about his accuracy and his ability to move within the pocket, where do you think my assessment is my, am I being biased here or or do I have something here? Because I feel like I've watched him so much. I've watched him so much that I feel like I have seen the changes throughout his career.

And right now, this last season, I personally did not see much change from him compared to the most recent years when he was winning Super Bowl. I think there was a little dip, but I think that the lack of weapons, I think that that can make anybody look mortal, quite frankly. You know, I mean, I think that even the best, even the best quarterback in football. They, you know, receivers, dominant receivers change football. They change the way the sport is played on the field.

If you have one, I mean, we saw that with, as you talked about, from going to 06 to 07, where all of a sudden you have Welker and you have Randy Moss. And literally, they changed the sport because defenses had no idea how to defend them with an elite quarterback. And so I think the lack of weapons makes it pretty hard to judge what was going on last year. I think that as long as the mechanics and the armsteads, strength can remain in place. I think that Tom Brady will have the intellect to get the ball where it needs to go.

I mean, for God's sakes, I know it's ridiculous, but after four neck surgeries, Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl, basically unable to throw the ball. And obviously, that was because of an elite defense. But at the same time, like, there are a lot of worst quarterbacks who would have looked even worse after four neck surgeries and unable to throw the ball. So I think football intellect is probably something that really helps you when you're physical skills diminish and he certainly has that. He says leadership. He has, you know, one of the things that I've learned in covering the NFL and it's something that I certainly

didn't believe when I came into it is how much intangibles really do matter, how much leadership matters and even the little things. I mean, like Tom Brady throwing the ball. I remember Brandon LaFeldon and it's throwing the ball up into the air and it before a sunny game to make sure that the receivers were used to looking at the sun. You know, doing little things like that to get players acclimated or like just the fact that he knew he would know everybody's name which is not even all that common in NFL locker rooms where there's 80 guys you know put you know 53 guys plus a practice squad um and then i you know waiver wire guys every week or tryouts whatever i mean there are a lot of people 90 guys in training camp uh brady knew their names and Brady knew who

these guys were and developed relations with them and that matters after a while and i think that he's got that. And so I think if the physical capabilities can remain in place, I think he's got a fighting chance to at least be better than he was last year. And then we'll see about the rest of the bucks infrastructure. Sure.

You're right. The chemistry aspect will be a big part even starting now. Whatever. The OTAs, OTAs are canceled, so you're going to have 16 training camp practices. I mean, they're going to be breaking lockdown rules to work together over the summer. Brady will find a way. They will find a way.

they will find a way and I think to your to your point about the ability there's just two passes that come to mind that he made over the season that make me think he still has. There's a touchdown that he threw scrambling towards his right, back towards his left to James White for a touchdown towards the end of their game against the Texans, which I think was the game right before the one we recorded with Bill Simmons back in December. And then there's another one that he had again rolling through moving with throw out the pocket, finding Harry in the back of the end zone. just the accuracy and velocity and ability to go through his third, fourth, read, even under pressure is still there. So really, I think the chemistry aspect will be the big variable here. But that's true for all 32 teams right now with obviously what's happening now in the world. Yeah, I'm with you. Give everybody the best, most productive thing you've done in quarantine so that they can do it too.

I have not done anything super productive except, you know, spend some time with my mom. which I think in and of itself is a good thing. So that's productive. Spend time with your family. FaceTime with your loved ones. FaceTime your friends. FaceTime your friends. FaceTime everybody. Yeah.

Okay. I'm reading a lot of books. We're filming a slow news day later today. Speaking of FaceTime. Okay. The show goes on. Nice. I'm digging it, man.

So Slow Tuesday is not slowing down then. I mean, it's, I don't know if it will. will have a weekly pace, but it certainly, it certainly continues. We're doing it. We're doing it live from the living room. I was thinking about having, because there's a number of ringer people who live within a couple blocks of me, I was thinking about just having them come by my window, but it turns out technologically, we don't have to do that. Like just getting like Justin Verrier or Kyle or I think you live kind of close to me and just getting them to come to the window and just doing a minute each. But it turns out we have.

Zoom capabilities, so we don't actually have to do that. I think that would be a good bit, though. If this goes a long time, we're going to use every bit we can possibly muster. Kevin O'Connor, thank you for joining us on this Tom Brady Day of Morning. Thank you, Kevin. I appreciate it.