The Ringer NFL Show - Brock Purdy Is NFL's OROY | The Island

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

Each week, a guest tries to persuade Nora Princiotti to agree with an argument they feel strongly about. This week’s guest is The Ringer’s Austin Gayle, who makes the case for Brock Purdy to be the NFL’s Offensive Rookie of the Year. Host: Nora Princiotti Guest: Austin Gayle Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal and Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and welcome to the island on the Bringer NFL show feed. I'm Nora Princiotti, joined today by the one and only Austinale. Austin, welcome back to the island. Tell us what your take is. second trip to the island, and I'm excited. I think my first take has rung true. We were not talking enough about Patrick Freaking Mahomes. He should walk away with the MVP this year.

It has been elevated what I thought the quarterback position could be. Now, this next player I'm bringing up, I don't think has done exactly that. I'm not willing to pour on that praise, but a quarterback that I'm willing to die on the hill on being offensive rookie of the year this year. It is Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy of the San Francisco 49ers, who I know has only played in six, seven games. get that. I understand. He has not played in full games. He's only been playing in full games since week 13. But it's time to give Brock Purdy his flowers. It's time, especially in this class of offensive rookies, Brock Purdy should run away. It should even be close. Run away with

offensive rookie the year this year. Think for the island like a record spinning on a turntable. Only now, that record is skipping. Brock Purdy for Mr. Irrelevant to run away offensive rookie of the year. That's the island. That's what we've got from you this week, Austin. That is the island. That is the island take.

Okay. All right. So let's get into some of the competition, right? I want to talk about, we can talk about Brock Purdy in and of himself as part of this too. But just to get a sense of who you think he is running away from in the pack, odds on favorites are

Garrett Wilson, Kenneth Walker, Purdy's up there. You've maybe got Christian Watson. I think Chris Olave is sort of a trendy quasi, not dark horse,

but like slightly down ballot guy maybe. And then Tyler Algier for the Falcons, if you want to go running back, I actually think has been, is probably a better candidate than Kenneth Walker, even though I think Walker gets,

gets more buzz. From that group, Who do you think, like, who, who, if it weren't Purdy, who would the most compelling alternatives be just so that we got a sense of, like, who you're anointing Purdy over here? The most, we'll start with the most compelling alternative. In my opinion, the most compelling alternative,

if there was a reason for Brock Purdy to not run away with this award, I do believe is Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson has had a phenomenal season with horrendous quarterback play. Horrendous. I think worse than what Chris Olive has had in the Red Rans. rifle and he don't like he's had flacko he's had mike white he's had zach wilson it has been a frustrating season for every jet receiver not just garrut wilson however i think this is important in the conversation offensive rookie the year and most awards in the nfl are numbers awards you got

to have the numbers you got to have the data you got to have the stats to really earn offensive rookie the year when you look at the receivers that have won offensive rookie of the year since the year 2000, you obviously have last year with Jamar Chase. Since the year 2000, the number, the receiver with the most receiving yards as a rookie is Jamar Chase. So if Jamar Chase wasn't winning it, no receiver's winning it. So Jamar Chase is an obvious candidate, not just candidate, but the guy that should win it. Then you go a little bit further back and you look at Odell Beckham Jr. Do you know the receiver with the number two, that ranks number two in rookie receiving yards ever it is Odell Beckham Jr. So you have the first two right there in the last 10 years. It's like,

you're going to have to have the numbers. It's Odell and it's Jamar. And you keep going back and receivers that have won this award, you're going to get to Percy Harvin. Percy Harvin only had 790 receiving yards. Now the alarms go up. You're like, okay, maybe Garrett Wilson's in the conversation. He's got over 1100. He's not in that chase or a belt tier,

but Percy did it with 790. Percy broke the Minnesota Vikings franchise record for scrimmage yards in the season. He was also a kick returner and a punt returner had two kick return touchdowns that year. And second place votes for offense rookie year in the year that Percy Harvin got it was Michael freaking Orr, the left tackle.

Tackles didn't even get votes anymore. just shows how bereft of talent the offense of rookie class was in 2013. We continue to go back, Anquam Bolden, a lot more touchdowns than what Garrett Wilson has. And I think that's ultimately what's going to be the concern with Garrett Wilson. Yes, he has 1100 receiving yards, only two drops on the season. But when you look at Jamar Chase, who obviously won it, he had 13 touchdowns that season. You look at Oldell Beckham Jr. when he won it 1,300 yards, 12 touchdowns this season. Garrett Wilson, since the year 2006, ranks fifth among rookie receiving yard season. reasons with 11003 and 4 touchdowns.

I just don't think that's enough to overcome what Brock Purdy has. And now, Elavie, I think, is the trendy pick. He's been more efficient on a yards per route basis or first downs per route basis. Those data points, according to Nate Tice. Garrett Wilson has the better overall stats, obviously with 1100 receiving yards at third among rookie receivers since 2006. But that is not enough, in my opinion, to overtake what Brock Purdy has done. It's close, though, right?

Like, just between Wilson and Alave. Wilson's at 11003. He led all rookie receivers and receptions with 83 and with those 11003 receiving yards. Alave is at 1042. And combine that with two and a half yards per route run to Garrett Wilson's 1.9. Also much better.

A positive catch rate above expectations. Wilson's was actually negative. And that should account for the fact that your catching passes from Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco, Chris Streveller, and Mike White. not that, you know, look, Andy Dalton Tason Hill, James Winston versus Wilson Flacco Streepler-White, like your mileage may vary. Neither one is great. So those two, I think, are a compelling discussion. But you think that because historically, in neither case, do the yardage totals add up to the kind of

spectacular output that's been historically necessary for a receiver to get this award, you think that Purdy with five starts to his name has a shot here. Yes. So the yardage totals, I think, are a big piece of it, right? So looking at the two that have won it most recently, Jamar Chase, 1455 receiving yards, 13 touchdowns. If you don't win it that year, it's insane. Then you look at the number two rookie receiving yard season since 2006. It's Justin Jefferson. And he didn't even win it because obviously Justin Berber that season had a lot of success,

who did not start the season as a charter starter. and his first seven or six games in the league, he's through multiple touchdown passes, joining the only other rookie quarterback to do that, which is Brock freaking Purdy. Justin Herbert in that season through multiple touchdown passes in his first six games.

Brock Purdy has done the same. And again, we'll get to Brock Pretty later. The sample size is the number one thing people are going to say. The number one thing people will bring up with Brock Purdy is the sample size. But when you look at the full season of a Garrett Wilson, and we'll get to the running backs too, the full season of a Kenneth Walker or Tallagher year,

they pale in comparison to what full season award winners have done like a Jamar Chase, like a Justin Jefferson, like an Odell Beckham Jr. All three of those receivers had more than 1,300 receiving guards in their rookie seasons, whereas obviously Garrett Wilson and Crystal Lave are in the 1100 tier, not in my opinion in the conversation for the receivers that have won it over the last 20 plus years.

Well, but so, okay, if the historical comparison between the receivers who have won it is enough to work as a demerit, against the top receivers who would be candidates for ovens of rookie of the year. Isn't Purdy only having five starts a little bit analogous to that? Like, how can we say that even though on a per start basis, he's been very good and very productive? How can we say that that is equivalent to something like what a Justin Herbert did?

No, no, I agree. I think that the Herbert comparison is more fun than it is legitimate. It's just funny to think that the only rookie quarterbacks ever to throw multiple touchdown passes in their first six games are Brock Pardy and Justin Herbber. I think that for me, the full season, right, if you're looking at a full season, and like if the qualification for offensive rookie of the year or any rookie of the year honor is that you have to have a full season of,

you know, successful, right? A full season of success. Those numbers better still be great. Like, I want them to be great. I want if you're- It's not, right? Like that's not, but every, you have to draw a line somewhere.

Five games is not a lot of games. It's not a lot of games. Now, the other argument I'll bring up, and I think this is one of my favorites that I hate in the, in the Hall of Fame conversation is the quote-unquote, you can't tell the story of the league without X player.

I think everyone brings that up. Oh, I love this explanation. And I like, I hate it a lot, but I'm going to try and use it on this island here, is that you can't tell the story of the 2022 NFL season without Brock Purdy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Brock Purdy is literally, depending on who you ask, the quarterback of the best team in football, the quarterback of the best team in football. And doing something as the, if he was the second to last drafted player, It's a totally different story. He's the last drafted player playing for the San Francisco 49ers.

And they're, I think, the second behind the Philadelphia Eagles and Oz to win the Super Bowl. I don't know, man. Like, this is a crazy, crazy story. You quote unquote, can't tell the story of the league in 2022 without Brock Purdy. Gosh, darn it. Can you? I love that stuff. I absolutely love that argument.

I love that argument. I love it with movies. I love it with music. I can't believe you just did that. But I'm like, okay. gavel. Really quickly, just really quickly

to just take a shotgun to any running back argument. Like legitimately like just it's done, it's over, have a good night. Kenneth Walker,

you want to talk about historical, Kenneth Walker's season among rookie running backs since 2006 and total rushing yards, ranks 20th. Just good night.

Jeremy Hill ranks out of it. So many other running backs have had better seasons than Kenneth Walker as rookies that in the last 15, 20 years, that it's not even worth

bringing into the conversation. Like if you want to, if you want to give it Kenneth Walker over Brock Purdy, I don't think you're watching the same game. You're not. Tyler Al Jira is right there with him. And like the Seattle Seahawks narrowly squeaked into the playoffs. So the Green Bay Packers didn't blow it.

They're not even in a playoff team. Kenneth Walker has had some success. I think he's going to be a phenomenal player in this league. You can't tell the story of the 2020 season without Brock Pertie. I don't even think running back should be in the conversation, honestly. And I know the island take is that he should run away with the award. Garrett Wilson and I think Crystal Laveh, just from an efficiency perspective, and he's not that far off of what Garrett Wilson has done from a receiving yards effective,

if you wanted to put people on the podium, say there's a podium or finalists or whatever. Those guys, I think, are more involved. Don't throw the running back in it. Walker does not, no, we're done. I'm not including Walker in this conversation where Brock Purdy is quarterback in the San Francisco 49ers and putting up numbers that that's the other thing, too. We haven't even talked about Brock Pretty's numbers, Nora. We've mentioned the multiple touchdown pass street or whatever. Wait until we get into the numbers. It sounds like your argument here, Austin, is partially based on, and there's nothing wrong with this, that this is just a bad offensive rookie of the year year. Yes. Yes. Yes.

That's also it, right? Like, I'm not, I'm not championing Brock Purdy if Garrett Wilson or Alave put up Jefferson numbers, a clear 1,200 receiving yards. Garrett Wilson has four touchdowns. Four touchdowns. That's it? It's a stats award.

I want to see more TDs. I'm sorry. And then with Kenneth Walker, if you're not even going to crack the top 20, when we have the last drafted player in the league, undefeated as a starter, joining Dan Marino with multiple touchdown passes in every game he started,

and leading arguably the best team in the NFC? I don't know. What are we doing? What's the award? What are we even basing it off of? I don't know. Well, that's a good question. What is the award?

What is the award for? Is it for the best performing, the rookie who had, the offensive rookie who had the most impressive year? Is that how you would define it? That is how I would define it. So I think that it is the offensive rookie. Yeah, yeah.

I think it's the offensive rookie. rookie that had the most impressive and most impactful year. You have to have impact. Put up a lot of yards on a team and missing out on the playoffs. I think you need impact. I think you need impact. But you need to like generally change the discourse of the week. There's a reason that MVP has the V in MVP.

Yeah. Right? And this is not the most valuable rookie award. And actually from the perspective of we want to be using, you know, one of the values of awards and awards systems is to tell the story of the league over time. I think that's a little bit of a slippery slope situation because at a certain point, as soon as you introduce value into the conversation, it is a quarterback award. And we deal with this with MVP and that's fine.

And we have offensive player of the year. And, you know, it's not a perfect system, but it approximates a good picture of who had the most impact on their team in a given season, which barring something totally ridiculous is always a quarterback and the offensive player who had the best,

just season agnostic of positional value. I agree. If we start doing that with other awards, I'm not arguing that. Yeah. We just do all the quarterbacks and that's it.

And I don't think we want that. I don't think we want to live in that. So I accept your definition. I just for the record, I am trying to, as much as possible to not think too heavily about value as opposed to just who did the most impressive thing, who was the best player for what they were asked to do.

Yeah. And I think, okay, which I think is a good conversation, most impressive. What is more impressive? Rob Purdy was literally a castaway. You're like, what is more impressive than providing value to your team? No, but what is more impressive when you,

I don't know if this should be, Now I'm getting a little crazy with my argument here on the island. But when you factor in like expectation, right, which I think the coach of the year award has a lot to do with expectations, right? Did you exceed expectations? Like Belichick's not winning it every year for whatever reason. You get what I'm saying. If you want to bring an expectation into the offensive rookie of the year award, Garrett Wilson's first round pick, they're expected to be one of the top receivers. As was, you know, Kev Walker was the highest drafted player in the freaking draft.

Rock Purdy was the last drafted player in the freaking draft and did not. expect to even play this season, comes in, and yes, he's won the games. I don't even think winning the games is as big of a deal as the success that yet. Zach Wilson won games with the Jets, early parts of this year and was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league over the course of that stretch. Let's look at some of these Brock Purdy stuff. Since week 13, since he took over, didn't even start that game, just came in. It wasn't even probably practicing that week. came in since week 13 has been absolutely phenomenal. Since week 13, he ranks fourth, an EPA per dropout. Right behind, tied with Patrick Mahomes at 0.1.6.

Since week 13, he leads the NFL in pass rating. Pass rating is a dumb stat. Hard to do as a seventh round rookie. Hard to do is Mr. Irrelevant. And we're going to talk about the sporting cast. We're going to talk about how much this is Kyle Shanahan. Number one stat people bring up. Average step to target.

How many of these yards are coming after the catch? They got George Kittle, blah, blah, blah, a lot. 53% of his yards are coming after catch. Patrick Holmes, that number is 65%. Oh, is Patrick Holmes suck? Is Patrick Holmes not that good? Oh, Patrick Holmes, 65% of his yards come after the catch. Patchma Holmes, MVP frontrunner, he probably stinks.

Brock Purdy is distributing this ball to yes, good playmakers, yes, George Kiddle. Divo Samuel hasn't been there for the last month. Divo Samuel's been hurt and he's still making plays. And I don't think, I don't think there is,

this is a counterargument to my island argument, but I think it has to be sad. I don't think there's another offense that can support Brock Purdy at the rate that he's had success. I think if Brock Pretty was starting for 31 other NFL teams, I don't even think we're talking about him. I think he might have already been benched for another player.

San Francisco has helped him. The supporting cast is held him. Kyle Shanahan has helped him. But that's still, to not completely crumble in a situation where this 49ers team has Super Bowl expectations to rise to the occasion like he has, I don't know, man. It is a rare. Should rarity be a conversation of the offensive work of the year? This is rare, very rare. Mr. Irrelevant, starting, winning all five games he starts, winning all six games he plays significant snaps in,

multiple touchdown passes in every single game, best pass rating since he's taken over the league. I mean, taking over the quarterback position. This is rare. This is one of one. We have not seen this before. They've scored more points. They've scored almost twice as many points with Brock Purdy, a quarterback as they were before he took over. Exactly.

It's a really, really, really shocking thing. Quarterbacks drafted in the seventh round were since 2000, one and 14 in starts their rookie seasons. Brock Purdy has now become the third rookie quarterback ever, who win his first five starts. What he has done is shocking. It's shocking. Historically, it is shocking. Now, I'm talking myself,

I'm talking myself into a whole new argument about rarity. Should rarity be in the conversation for rookie of the year? Like Percy Harvin won it in what that was, like 2013, because that was a rare season. Kick return, punt return yards. Yes, he only had 790 receiving yards,

but he broke a franchise record with like over 2,100 scrimmage yards. That was rare. What Purdy is doing this year is rare. I don't know when we'll say. see it again. I think, I guarantee you, Nora, next year, our rookie receiver will get 1100 receiving yards. I guarantee it. I guarantee

it we'll get one. Running back, I bet you one of them gets over 1,000. That's, that's not rare. This is rare. And we're not going to honor it. This is the only way you can honor it. Not going to give them MVP, not going to do any of these other things. This is the only way you can honor it. We might not see this again. I don't know. I don't know. Well, but when we say this is rare, the question

then is what is rare about it? Right? Because if Brock Purdy, if, if what's going on here is that Brock Purdy is actually really good, and that's why he is able to take a collection of talent that's been impressive from the beginning of the season. They dealt with some injuries for a while, but they have,

they've always had good playmakers in that offense. And bring that to another level, then that's, that's really rare. And we should award Brock Purdy for doing that, if that's what's happening. In Brock Purdy's own words, he was asked in a recent press conference if playing in the NFL is in some ways easier

than playing in college. Hysterical question. Just a hysterical question. I'm not, I'm not shitting on it. That's not my intention at all. Like, it's just a weird situation in San Francisco right now. So it leads to some questions that are rightfully asked, but are weird if you take a step back.

His answer was yes. He said it's easier. He qualified a little bit, but he was like, yeah, kind of. And he goes, first of all, he goes, Kyle calls a great game plan, and I've just got to go through my progressions and throw checkdowns to guys like Debo and Christian, and then they make guys miss.

He goes on, Brock goes on. I've just got to distribute it to guys, and then they come up with all the yards and stuff. Pretty might have just killed my argument. Pretty might have just single-handedly torch me. Wow. I'm not sure. just saying it's easy.

The offensive rookie of the year when he says they come up with all the yards and stuff. This was, I wasn't ready for this quote. I don't know if I have a counter. I don't know if I have a counter this quote.

It is easy. I do like, in addition to distributing to Debo and distributing to George Kittle, distributing, distributing praise, right? In a public situation, I think it's something you have to respect.

I mean, you have to, right? You know, if you wanted to compare, if you wanted to compare, again, like the sample size, The sample size and that quote are the two just like tough, tough things to navigate around, right? Only playing. And Kyle Shanhan, right, who is the driving force behind existence of that quote. The supporting cast, the sample size, and then Brock Purdy is saying it's not that hard.

I just kind of do what I do. It's tough. It's tough to overcome. Now, comparing it to other rookie quarterback seasons, again, on a small sample size among rookie quarterbacks with a hundred or more dropbacks in a single season. number one in pass-rard. No, number one in, you know, yards per play. Like, yards per 10. Like, he has the efficiency metrics in this small sample size.

I think that the point that shouldn't be made is that they're winning games. I think winning games is really important. But he is really having a lot of success in these games that they're winning, in that not turning the ball over at a significant rate, not a lot of turnover worthy plays, obviously scoring a lot of points. It's the number one scoring offense since he took over. That to me, especially when you look at expectations,

I think expectation is another factor that I'm putting this in this reward that probably doesn't often get put in. But when you factor in expectation and that this guy came off the bench in week 13 against a playoff team in the Miami Dolphins in and won that game handedly, was prepared as anyone. I don't know. I think that there's a lot of things to be impressed by. It's going to be unfortunate if another player wins offensive rookie of the year. Because this season could be forgotten because I don't know if Brockport is a starter for the point out of second year. I don't know if he's a starter anywhere next year because I wish you just award this small sample size. If it could be back half of the season, I don't know.

I'm starting to falter on my argument, but I'm getting a little sad. I'm a little teary eye thinking that this Brock Pryt season is going to be a wash because we're going to give it to Garrett Wilson and his 1100 receiving yards and four touchdowns. And then we'll never remember Brock Purdy ever again. He's not in the playoffs. He's not in history because of Garrett Wilson's triumphed and offensive rookie of the year campaign. Reduced to a footnote because Garrett Wilson was okay. But if Brock Purdy is not is not. a starter, then this isn't, then the rare thing that's happening isn't happening because of

Brock Purdy. Now, I'm not positive. A starter is complicated. He's been impressive. And yes, he's getting so much help from that supporting cast and, and his ability to generate explosives. I don't think that we know that he can do that as a quarterback on his own, right? Most of that stuff is coming because of the guys that they have in the huddle with him. That said, he makes smart decisions, which is no small feat for someone who came into the league

with not a lot of experience, wasn't prepared to start the season. Brought party makes a beautiful throw away. He's not better than Jimmy Garoppolo. I think results notwithstanding, I really shy away from that. That said,

he is not mistake prone in the same way that Jimmy can be. He will throw the ball away when he needs to. And I've heard Kyle Shanahan talk about that. It's obvious when you watch him. He's made some nice, nice throws. It's not like when you look at it, it goes, oh, come on, this is ridiculous.

This is the house of cards. He has a great connection with Kittle in particular. He can make those throws over the middle that are critical to that offense. And again, he's better at protecting the football than Jimmy, or for that matter, Trey Lance looked in the first couple of games in season. And that is something that Kyle Shanahan absolutely covets and to the extent and this, the Lance decision

I think told us that that extent was diminishing in some ways. But the large history of Kyle Shanahan as an offensive coach says that he wants someone who is just who's going to kind of let him have the reins and just make smart decisions. So in that sense,

Brock Purdy is definitely doing something here. I just, I just, I guess. I can't get over the issue of if we still look at this and go, that guy probably doesn't have a starting job or is in even a competition to have a starting job in the league next season, then he should be an offensive party of the year because it doesn't make sense. You're right. You're right. You're right. If you're thinking about this award as, if you're thinking about this award as like a mark.

You have to be good at football. Yes, yes, yes. And that's something that we have not seen. We don't know that about Brock Purdy yet. I think the arguments start to just kind of fall as you talk about. the supporting cast and the situation that he's in, and especially the Brock Purdy quote. I'm going to go back to my other argument, where I think this is where I'm a lot stronger. The rest of the people who are in contention with him aren't that good.

Like Garrett Wilson, his 1100 receiving yards, which led all the rookies, right, and he had four touchdowns, are volume stats. When you look at yards per route run among rookie receivers since 2006, this is according to PFF. Garrett Wilson, 1.86. 1.85 is 36.

among all rookie receivers with at least 50 targets since 2006. Devon Best, better. Devin Funchis better. Where would you? So OLAV is 2.5. Where would he be? Alabe is fifth all time. Now, if you wanted to involve OLAV in the conversation,

which I don't think he's getting enough height, he's fifth all time. It's OBJ, A.J. Brown, not all time, since 2006. OBJ, A.J. Brown, Justin Jefferson, J. Mar Chase. And then guess who's there? Chris Olave. And right after that's Percy Harvey, who obviously won offensive rookie the year in 2009.

Olave, I think, has, when you look at the efficiency, maybe a better conversation around offensive working the year than maybe Garrett Wilson. But Garrett Wilson is, I think, the favorite because of the volume stats and the counting stats, which is fine. If you want this award to be just a blip, and we all forget about this season, that's fine.

If you don't want to appreciate the award, I get it. I get it. If you want to give it to unspectacular seasons, that's fine. Maybe better football players, but unspectacular seasons, immemorable seasons. That's fine.

Now, how do you write the story of the 22 season without Brockporty? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not doing it. I can't do it. Personally, I won't. I won't do it. I could write it without Garrett Wilson. I could write it without him. I could do it. I'm sorry about I could do it.

I can't ride it without prop. I won't. It's it. I mean, this is the, that's maybe an argument I haven't leaned into enough. This is arguably the best team in the NFL. Arguably, arguably the best team in the NFL. I think there's a conversation with Kansas City. There's a conversation with Philadelphia. But when you look at offensively, defensively, this might be the best team in the NFL. They have the number two odds to win the Super Bowl behind the Eagles in the NFC. and Brock Purdy's at the helm. Brock Purdy is at the helm.

A guy that, I'll tell you this. I know there was some conversation around Jimmy Garoplo, maybe being healthy enough for the NFC championship, maybe being healthy enough for the Super Bowl. They're not going back to Jimmy G if Purdy goes on a run. I don't think so. What's your react to that?

I think that's a good answer. I mean, that's a good argument. What do you think? Do you think they go back to Jimmy G or do they stick to Brock Purdy? Because if they stick to Brock Purdy and they're like, no, we're sticking with him over Jimmy Garoplo to go compete in the freaking Super Bowl. and you're like, now I'll give it to Garrett Wilson.

His forgetful-ass season. Sorry, Stefan. I know producers from New York. I can't do it. I can't do it. That's a good argument. First of all, when we were talking about what we were going to do on this episode,

I slacked producers, Stefan. I was like, Austin wants to talk about Brock Purdy for offensive rookie of the year. And Steph slacks me back and goes, you misspelled Garrett Wilson, but okay, that work. That's a good point. I'm not sure that they would go back to Jimmy. Jimmy's health,

I think there was some reputation of the reporting that he even would have a shot to come back. If Purdy's really on a role, I think you're right. I don't think you touch that. Again, this offense is scoring more points than it was earlier in the season. And I'm not totally sure what to make of that.

But that would be a pretty strong argument in favor for Brock Purdy. Austin, do you have any final words, anything you want to close with? Because I think I'm ready to tie this up here. One more. One more for you. Wake me up when Brock Purdy has a bad game. Wake me up because I'm still sleeping. Wake me up.

Wake me up when he has a bad game. Garrett Wilson, Green Bay, week six. One reception, eight yards. Garrett Wilson, Patriots. Week 11. Two receptions. 12 yards. This is back to back to back here, man.

18 yards in week 17 against. fair, he's played, he's been a starter for five games. I know, I know, I know. I'm just saying, wake me up when you've seen the worst of it. Because I haven't. I haven't. I haven't seen a falter. How are you going to knock a guy that hasn't lost?

How are you going to knock a guy that hasn't finished a game without two plus passing touchdowns? Garrett Wilson's been forgetful. And I, and Stefan's saying, leave that slacked us in the middle of this, just Garrett, Zach Wilson with a bunch of exclamation points. Which I think is a fair point. Stefan also mentioned he said,

leave Garrett out of it. You have to keep a minute. A lot of my argument is that the other players competing with Brock haven't had the impact or the impressive seasons that I think are required to win this award, whereas Brock Purdy has done the impossible. He has done something that no one will ever do again. I'll say it right now. This is my last argument.

The last drafted player in the NFL will never have a bigger impact on the season than Brock Pardy has had this year, period. That won't happen again. It won't happen where the last drafted player, quarterback's arguably the best team in the NFL and goes to a Super Bowl potentially. I don't think it'll happen again. The last draft a player over the last 10 years, I don't even think has made a roster. Here comes Brock Grady, Super Bowl potential MVP.

You know what? That one, I'm right with you there. Let's go. I don't think that that's all that. Like, it's just one player. He usually doesn't make the roster. So I'm not sure how much of a statement that is. But I'm with you that this is the.

Brock Party will be the most successful Mr. Irrelevant. So this year is the, I think it's okay for me to talk about this. I'm voting for awards for the first time this year. And I have not submitted my ballot. You couldn't have asked for a better podcast partner. I'm literally pushing. I really could not have. I think Chrysalov should be the offensive work of the year.

God damn it. God damn it, Nora. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I also think that Kyle Shanahan should be the coach of the year. Again, I'm not supposed, I don't think you're supposed to reveal your ballot, so I don't know. But I just don't think that we have enough evidence that the rare thing that was, I like that you use that word,

because I do think that what is happening with the 49ers right now is, is rare and should be celebrated. And it should be part of the historical record of the 2022 season. here's how I think we're going to do that. I think Kyle Shanahan should be the coach the year. I think the fact that he has kept this train, just like roll in full steam, is the most impressive feat in coaching. And that includes the Giants are in the playoffs.

That includes what's happened in Jacksonville, which is super impressive. And Doug Peterson is developing such a clear reputation for being a guy that you could bring into a broken organization and count on him to really make it better in short order. Those are, that's actually,

I think it's kind of a stacked coach of the year. Pete Carroll could be in that conversation too. It is. It is. But I think we need to understand that this is a, we talked about this a little bit

on the Sunday show, what has happened to the quarterback position in San Francisco, losing your day one starter and then losing the backup, is a catastrophic issue in any other organization. For any other team.

for all 31 other teams. They probably have a tough time rebounding from the first injury. The second, it's so over. It's unbelievable. But not only, is it not over, not only are they a Super Bowl contender, their offense has actually gotten better. That is the piece where, like,

I am a little bit like, are we missing something? Is he doing something? I can't really find the thing that he's, doing other than he's a little bit smarter with the football than Jimmy that makes me go, oh, Brock Purdy is making this thing run.

And that's not nothing. But it's not enough for me to say with only a five-game sample size, we should break a lot of precedence and award a player who just hasn't played all that much. I don't know where quite, you know,

you always have to figure out where the line is, right? When somebody's missed games, it's certainly not you have to play a full season, but I just think five starts or taking over as a starter and that week 13 game and then playing the rest. Like, it's just not quite enough. I think he would need to seem less, less supported. If it felt like he had taken them all on his back and this,

then maybe you'd get over the five game sample size. But five starts and then I've just got to distribute it to guys and then they come up with all the yards and stuff. Those two double whammies are making it hard for me. I agree with a lot of your arguments against Garrett Wilson, frankly. And Garrett Wilson is awesome. Garrett Wilson is a part of the future, a huge part of the Jets future and was an awesome pick.

I do think that what Alave is done is more impressive just based on the efficiency. Now, I think fewer people have seen him play. So this is certainly not my prediction for who's actually going to win the award. but I do think that on a per snap basis, Olave has been the most impressive offensive rookie this year. I think that's completely fair. I think that Olave has been spectacular. Fifth, since 2006, in yards per out run,

among all rookie receiving seasons behind an OBJ, and A.J. Brown, a Justin Jefferson, a Jamar Chase. He has had an extremely efficient season. Garrett Wilson, I don't think should be ahead of him. I think he will be because of the volume stats and the volume stats are what matter when you look at who's actually voting for these awards. But if Brock Pruy does not win up. I also think a lot of people watched, Garrett Wilson.

Yes, yes. I'll say if Brock Porey doesn't win offensive rookie of the year and Kyle Shanahan doesn't win coach of the year, I'm going to get a quill and write a pen in pen in ink a letter to the NFL. Because someone, or every voter, I'm going to find addresses to every voter. I'm going to ask them why. It's going to be a simple letter. Just say why.

Why, we're going to remove any award for what the Niners have done this year with Brock Purdy. I refuse. I refuse. I refuse. I think that this is a rare thing. And it's fine to give it to, I think it's going to ultimately be Wilson. I don't want to, I didn't want to bring that up in the early parts of the island argument. I do think Wilson ultimately wins it. He was the favorite before they removed odds on Vandal. But I think that we're going to look back and be like, oh, yeah, thanks, giving it to Wilson, who joins a Jamar Chase, who joins a Justin Jefferson, OBJ. some of these guys have like legitimately legitimately changed the game for an 1100 yard season, 36 and yards per out run among rookies and 4 TDs. And we're going to move on for Brock Pardy.

That's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I guess it's fine. We'll leave on this note, Austin. There is one more potential way that Brock Purdy could be forever a part of the historical record of the season. And you know what that is? Super Bowl MVP. Yeah, go win a Super Bowl.

Go into Super Bowl, Brock. You'll go down a legend. I will be laughing at the league as they hand Garrett Wilson, his offense rookie year, while Brock Perdigo tucks a Super Bowl. Tucks a Super Bowl. I'll be laughing at the league.

I'll be laughing at the league. Can't wait to see it. Thank you so much, Austin. This has been the island on the Ringer NFL show. I'm Nora Preciati. He'll be back next week, but for now, Shield Capadia will be up next on the feed. Tomorrow going in depth on NFL news on the scramble.

Thank you. Always to Stefan Anderson for production on this episode and to Connor Nevins and Prater Ruffel for Additional Production Supervision.