The Ringer NFL Show - Derek Carr’s Extension and Ultimate War Room Draft

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

Kevin, Nora, and Kaelen react to the news of Derek Carr’s extension, Baker Mayfield’s interview, and Brady’s potential ownership with the Miami Dolphins. The trio is later joined by Rodger Sherman to pick their ultimate war room for the NFL draft. Host: Kevin Clark, Nora Princiotti, and Kaelen Jones Guest: Rodger Sherman Associate Producer: Stefan Anderson Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

There are certain moments and words that shaped a new era in pro wrestling. Austin 316 says I just whipped your ass. Brett screwed breath. Die, Rocky, die. Introducing the book of wrestling, 25 catchphrases that explain the attitude era. Tune in as we relive one of the most exciting, intense, and over-the-top times in WWE, with new interviews with the voices that made the promos, calls, and catchphrases into history. Listen now.

It is the ringer NFL show, part of the Ringer podcast Network. I am Kevin Clark, joined today by Kalyn Jones. Kalan, hello. Hello, how you all doing? Great. Nora Prince, Ida is here. Hello, Nora. Hi, Kevin. Roger Sherman joined us later.

We're going to build out a war room. All of us, we're going to draft GMs, coaches, owners, wildcard. It's going to be really fun. We're going to figure out who's the best of drafting who we want in our war room. How's your guys, big boards? this is very meta. We're drafting who we think is good at drafting. That is a really good point.

Or hang them. Or the wild card. Could be anything. Kevin, I feel like you just gave up your strategy. Yeah, thanks. Now we know. A little insight.

Getting that intel. Getting that intel for the competition. The wild card could be anything. My big board on the wild card is really is long. It's four picks. Just in case. I always like the team like a week out

that accidentally shows its entire board on like social media there's always one team where it's like uh oh the Cowboys wide receiver's list got out because Jerry Jones is giving an impromptu Bitcoin talk hasn't happened this year though

still time. All right so you think's happened at the Jerry Jones impromptu Bitcoin talk but that's for a different podcast. I heard about that. All right. So let's get to some news before we get to the draft. Roger Sherman will be joining for that part. Derek Carr, very rich man. Already was rich, but he's richer.

Three-year, $120 million extension. This was expected if you followed everything. There was a contingent of NFL fan and Raider fan who thought that there was going to be a trade at some point. That seemed more realistic two, three,

four years ago than it does now. According to Tom Pelliserro, the $40 million of new money average puts him fifth among quarterbacks and makes him the seventh member of the $40 million a year club, others being Aaron Rogers, Deshawn Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,

Matthew Stafford, and Dach Prescott. I don't think that Derek Carr is better than any of these guys. I think actually that he is seventh on that list of $40 million quarterbacks, but I understand why you do the deal.

Caitlin, what you think? I thought of it from a Raiders fan. perspective. I grew up a Raiders fan, by the way. Suffered through a lot of bad quarterback play, you know, like the bridge between Rich Gannon to, I'd say, like, Carson Palmer, and even the Terrell prior era was not fun as a fan. So for Raiders fans, I mean,

I never really understood the whole they're going to move on from Derek Carr talk because this guy has been a fringe top 10 passer for the better part of his career, and especially going into this season where, you know, you have a new regime who clearly understands, like, it's the most important position, you know, for the franchise itself, I think, you know, the fact that Derek Carr is the longest tenured quarterback in the conference. Like, that speaks to the talent level of his own, his own right, but, you know, I don't think the Raiders could have done anything

better. You know, I don't understand, like, why people were pushing for Derek Card to be moved on from. he's kind of underrated at this point in his career. So I think it was a good move for the Raiders. I don't see why it's a bad thing. And it seems like everyone seems to enjoy playing with them, even though we enjoy getting the jokes off and social media about him. But it seems like a good teammate. Seems like a good player.

Good decision. The jokes about him, I think anybody who hangs around long enough and doesn't win Super Bowl gets branded, you know, mid, as the kids say, right? Right. And Derek Carr, I think that there are, there are so many scenarios where the Raiders could have really screwed this up. Now, listen, there's situations where it could have been better, but 2021 Derek Carr was two points off in quarterback rating.

Quarterback rating is not perfect, but it's a good snapshot. He was two points off his almost MVP season of 2016. Complete percentage was five percentage points higher than that year. More passing yards. Obviously, he played more games, but it was substantial than he was 900 yards more. Obviously made the playoffs, same as did in 2016, although obviously, who did not play in the playoffs. That was the year, by the way,

the famous Jack, they'll re-o quote where they said, what did you learn about the season? He said, don't lead to quarterback, which is a tough thing to say. It doesn't suggest you have much of a plan B there, Jack. But this is,

this is fine. Josh McDaniels went into the Denver situation. The last time he was a head coach, immediately alienated his veteran quarterback by trying to get Matt Castle, which nice job bang up job on that one Josh and ended up losing Jake other. And I think that he probably wants to do all the things differently.

Again, this is sort of, and I've been saying for five years, like it's like Manhattan real estate. We keep saying this quarterbacking is going to go down. It's going to say it's a bubble, whatever. It's not. It's always going to go up. And this is the price you pay for a quarterback who is not a problem. And that's Derek Carr at age 31. Nora? I find this so totally non-controversial. It's a good quarterback. He's getting a good deal for a good quarterback.

I'm curious to see exactly what the numbers on it are. It seems like not suspiciously, but I'm noticing that there's a clear lack of like real numbers being reported where you can tell what, you know, where the outs may or may not be in this. Like I think it's one just because he is kind of. of that, I don't know, second tier, lower second tier range for a quarterback where you're curious, like, how have they structured this? Who has, and does it come out more player-friendly, more team-friendly when you can get a really clear look at that stuff? But he's been between,

over the last three seasons, he's been between 9th and 6th in net yards per attempt, ninth and 14th in pass-ser rating, 10th and 14th and 14th in Kee's. QBR. He's a consistently good quarterback, and they now have a pretty good infrastructure, both in terms of who's running the team and the roster around him. So the scary thing is always the division. But if you're a Raiders fan, I think this is pretty satisfied. Yeah, that's the thing, too. Like, Derek Carr has never really been the issue, in my opinion. Like, you look at the defenses that he has played opposite. It's been a lot of incompetency,

like the John and Abram play last year against the Chiefs. Like that's the one that stands up to me the most, most recently. So, you know, he's been dealing with a lot of that. I think if the Raiders' defense can just be competent, I think even if that had been the case over the course of his career, we'd be discussing Derek Carr in a little bit different light

because I think he'd probably have a little bit more wins. And it also doesn't help that. You know, you're playing in a division where you have perennial Super Bowl contender, and Pat from Home from the Chiefs, and now all of a sudden, you have Justin Herbert and Russell Wilson in your division. I don't know if the narrative will ever shift for Derek Carr, but, you know, realistically,

underrated career to this point. Okay. And the way that it would... So the Raiders have never ranked higher than 20th in points per game allowed since Derek Carr has been on their roster. So it feels like, and this is one of these crappy sports things, The way for Derek Carr to no longer be underrated is for the Raiders defense to get better.

Like, I actually think we have a very clear picture. At which point, at which point he will become overrated. Right. But we actually have a very clear picture of who Derek Carr is as a quarterback. One of the things that I think is very funny about when stuff like this happens with guys sort of in the Derek Carr zone is that you see a lot of people tweeting stuff like Derek Carr is a top 12 quarterback or Derek Carr is a top 14 quarterback. And it's like, where are these numbers coming from? Like, usually that just means you think he's the 12th best quarterback, right? It's like you're not going to say top 15 because that sounds like you're underrating him,

but you're also not going to say top 10 because you don't think that he's 10. You're cutting very close to our company policy of making up arbitrary lists and numbers for those. Hey, I'm nothing of not a team player. But, okay. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. the reason that I actually am pretty positive about this move is because to the point about like if they get better defensively, they're just going to be a better team and then a rising tide is going to lift all boats and one of those boats is going to be how we view Derek Carr.

It is the stability in locking him up and in Josh McDaniels trying to forge a good relationship there. Like that I think is a positive EV move in terms of just the vibes. being good. And we need some good vibes here. So, yeah. So the part of the vibe saying is you can't all the way, by the way, trade for Devante Adams who wants to put it to our car and then not take care of Derek car and just throw that entire situation to the chaos.

That that's not, that's also just not how you win a building. I'm back to what Josh McDaniels went into in Denver. Like Josh McDaniels tried to be a bell, Belichick a decade ago and tried to play games with contracts and try to be ruthless and all that stuff. There is only one. one Bill Belichick and when I talk to people now

and this was my opposition's problem is a lot of people's problem is that you'll get tuned out real early if you try to be Bill Belichick and then you'll start to lose and then within three years you'll be fired. You have to win immediately. You'd have to win

immediately to build up the credibility to be Bill Belichick and run a program like he does and that doesn't happen because guys team, it's a chicken and egg. And Duran Harmon, who obviously knows both Josh McDaniels and the Patriots, was on Good Morning Football Today and said pretty explicitly, like McDaniels is trying to create a culture that is not New England.

Not the Patriot Way. Didn't he say literally not the Patriot Way? Yes. I have a personal policy to not use the phrase the Patriot Way, because it makes me want to throw myself off a bridge. What is the Patriot Way? I was going to say, The Find a Patriot Way.

The Patriot Way is frowning a lot and winning Super Bowls. There's a lot in there. There's a lot in the Patriot Way. Anything else, guys, before we move on? All right. Let's get to the Washington football team. Who boy. Oh, boy.

So this story's mostly been broken by Front Office Sports. On April 2nd, on top of everything else with the Washington football team, on April 2nd, Front Office Sports reported that, the commanders allegedly held back visiting NFL teams ticket revenue. This is important because teams are required to pass along 40% of net ticket revenue to the NFL, which then disperses the funds throughout the league. The information about this scheme was given to a congressional committee investigating the team, according to front office sports sources.

This week, the investigation reveals, quote, this is the headline of problem sports, quote, troubling financial inconsistency. This is the House Oversight Committee. Basically, they have testimony saying that there were all sorts of ticketing and proprieties that they tagged things as one thing for another. Basically, the profit they were able to make was called, what they've called the juice. The action is the juice. There's so much about the Washington football team.

And the bar for Daniel Snyder to lose the team is unbelievably high. We already knew that. The NFL wasn't going to take the team away from Daniel Snyder because of all the things he did over the past couple of years, all the things that have been proven, the report that wasn't made public, all of this crazy crap. Messing with other owners money and stealing from other owners clears that far.

And I don't want, like, yes, That, it's deeply unfair that the other stuff, the report and the treatment towards women and all that stuff, that that doesn't rise to that level. It sucks. That's just how it works in the NFL. But this is something that gets on other owners' radars. And if proven, if true and if significant, this is the type of thing that other owners actually turned their head that. I understand how deeply screwed up this sounds. But that's just sort of how it works when you get 32 owners in a room.

Nora, what did you think when you heard of the team? I mean, so I am probably a little cynical here in that I don't know that I find it all that surprising that the goings on regarding the football team in our nation's capital are not exactly on the level, at least allegedly. the real sort of inflection point here is going to be how much muscle Congress actually wants to use here. Like this is the committee that has subpoena power almost never uses it. And if you, you know, it's sort of always in the bottom of these stories, right? But like how hard they're going to go after this stuff is already becoming something that is supported or not supported along party lines. And you just wonder how much energy there is to keep going down this path versus how much people are just sort of going to say, okay, we started

looking into it sort of raised a ruckus and now we're done. It does seem kind of like they're determined to get some real information here. And I think that would be really, really significant. Um, the other thing that strikes me is how small the dollar amounts that we're talking about here are, which to be clear, I do not think makes it less bad if it's true in any way, shape, or form. But moving around $88,000, $88,000 in, uh, game takeer revenue that should have been subject to revenue sharing and saying that it was licensing fees from a Kenny Chesney concert. it continues to just boggle the mind the shady things that organizations, and again, you know, these are all allegations and we'll figure it out. But if that is actually what happened, it's just like the scope of that is so different from the normal business scope of an NFL team and the dollar figures that you're

usually throwing around in this world that I just, there's some. something like so perversely strange about that. Then again, this is also a team that has had disputes over charging fans parking and like having terrible. They made walking across the street illegal so that fans would have to park in their own lots. Right. So other than that. I guess it should not come as a shock. So, Kailen, I want to ask you, but.

First, I want to say two things. Number one is we have to see the dollar figures, the actual total that they didn't share. Because if it's, you know, I saw a thing off of one event that was $800,000. If that is the kind of numbers that we're looking at, that would be dispersion of 32 teams. Yeah, and we don't know exactly how much they're saying.

That's not really, I don't think other owners are going to freak out about like, you know, $50,000 here or $50,000 there not going into a bank count. If it's a pattern of behavior. Yes and no, though, right? because it's like if even if it's a very small amount of money relatively speaking, I just, if there's stuff where it starts to be framed as, well, the owners kind of know that this stuff goes on and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, I don't really know culturally what that's like.

I've got to imagine that is not the case. And there are just a lot of owners that it doesn't matter if it's a very small amount. they're not going to like the idea that one of their own was skimming off the top. I just, I do not think that's going to fly. Okay, so wait, I had a second point to this. So first, we're going to have to see the dollar figure. The second is, if nothing happens,

if nothing happens from this, guess what we just found out? Everybody does. They all do this. They all do. We're about to find out who else does this. Yeah. Because if he gets run out of the league,

within five minutes and Jeff Bezos owns the team, then yes, this is rare. If they say, you know what, we're going to suspend you it for three games and you have to, in order to win the public back, you have to have another Sean Taylor day. Like, if that happens, then we know that this is commonplace and is a slap on the rest. Kalen, what did you think when you sold the story? Yeah, no, I thought it was insane. Like, I had very similar thoughts to when you opened up on this topic. I thought it was crazy that, you know, that they had separate books. Like that alone, I was like, oh, wow, that's super fishy. But the fact that they were scamming, allegedly, allegedly scamming the other owners here,

like that's completely different from, I feel like, I'm kind of cynical here. Like, you know, there's always an assumption to me that, you know, players are going to be screwed over. The fans are going to get screwed over at some way, shape, or form. But to scam the other owners in this is nuts. And even if you guys are saying like the dollar amount, like I said, it might be pocket change to these other owners. It's the principle. It's the fact that you are going to screw over the guy next to you who was a part of this inner circle that's saying, hey, we're going to be in this to screw over everybody else. You don't screw me over. And like you said, if it comes out that he's immediately removed, then, hey, maybe no one else is doing it. But I'm kind of cynical here in the sense that I'd be shocked if there weren't, you know, at least one or two other teams who are skimming off the top and keep.

keeping separate books, you know, to make sure that their money's able to move. I'm just curious, like, it's funny because I just don't understand what the insider is doing here because there's so much dysfunction between, like you said, like you guys mentioned, the sexual misconduct, the workplace environment coming in the question over the years, the fact that none of that has been able to get him to sell the team or be removed from ownership. The bar is just too high. So I'm cynically, I don't know if anything's going to come of this.

The other thing I want to say. So there's sort of like two pieces, right? And that's why I bring up sort of keeping an eye on how committed Congress is to going down this path is because, okay, let's say we can read between the lines and go, the other owners just do not seem all that up in arms about this. Now, what does that mean? That seems a little weird. Does that mean that this is sort of an expected practice? then theoretically there might be an avenue for Congress to try to take a look at everybody to an extent. Right.

But I just don't feel confident that the political will is necessarily there for that. But I'm curious if that changes because there have been sort of like, requests for documents at different points in the past. And it always seems like it just sort of proceeds at a snail's pace and then disappears eventually. They're getting further than I can think of a lot of instances of stuff like this. People want to talk because people hate Dan Snyder. And I would also say that Dan Snyder has no allies and is so toxic that investigating him and digging up this sort of stuff is a truly bipartisan issue.

There's no one who's like in Congress who's not like, actually I like Dan Snyder. I'm going to hold off on this one. Like this is. Well, that's not totally. I mean, kind of yes, but there are people on this congressional committee who are like. Sure. But like if you go back to the districts, if you go back to the district, it's not like, you know, health care.

100%. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Get Dan Snyder. There are no dissenting views. town halls back in the district. All right. This is also, I agree with you. So part of the reason that, you know, NFL owners don't want to set any precedence for,

oh, you lose your team because of black, right? And it's sick and it's gross and all that stuff. But that's the reason Daniel Snyder still has his team. And so, again, like, we're going to find out this, if this is as unusual as we think, and I think it is. I've not heard. I've not talked to anybody who said like, oh,

this is common practice. Like, this is pretty significant. Um, but the dollar sign matters. I mean, they already suspended them for a year, right?

Like Tanya Snyder was running the team last year. Is he still on the boat? Huge, huge, uh, bookmarks. Um, what?

Was he on a boat? Wasn't he on his yacht for like a really long time? I mean, he was at, he was at games last year. He was running the team last year. Yeah, but then I thought he went back to the,

I don't know. He was wearing, the sweatpants. He got suspended. And so that man, he just showed up a game wearing sweatpants. And then they did the Sean Taylor Day next to like, like, and they did no planning whatsoever for it. Yeah.

And they put up a sign and said Sean Taylor rode right next to a bunch of fortipati. He was first class all the way. Yeah. Jesus. This makes me feel like the kids from South Park could actually run the Washington football team better than Dan Snyder. That's 100% correct. Anybody could.

You could, Nora could. Steph could producer stuff. All right. Anything else, guys, before we get to two more topics. Let's start with Baker Mayfield.

I was getting a salad earlier today when I was texting you guys about I'm just eating a salad. I'm watching a replay of the Boston College Spring game here on the background. I defy anybody to watch more ACC network than me. Okay?

I'm number one. No takers here. So, I didn't know that Baker Mayfield appeared on this podcast. Nora informed me because I was out getting some food. And here's the quote, I feel disrespected 100% because I was told one thing and they completely did another.

That's what I'm in the middle of right now. I've had four different head coaches in four years, a bunch of different coordinators. Kalen, we feel how about Baker Mayfield's gripes? I feel empathetic to this because I get it. You know, like he's, what, 26, 27 years old? basically told by his employer that he's expendable despite doing the best job that he possibly could. Like, I feel bad for the dude in the sense that, again, he laid out a situation four different head coaches, four different coordinators.

I mean, he was the quarterback who led the Cleveland Browns who had been a laughing stop of a franchise from past 20 years into the playoffs. And they smack the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like, I totally understand. And last year, he played, you know, with a injured shoulder, has given everything to. this franchise and giving them a lot of reason to have hope to be in this position to where they feel good enough to go pursue an upgrade at quarterback. So I feel like I understand where he's coming from and I don't think he's out of place for, you know, expressing the way that he feels. It's just unfortunate that's part of the business where, you know, again, like Andrew Berry and

Cleveland Browns felt they need to upgrade a quarterback to Saul Deshaun Watson. And, you know, as questionable as that decision might be, you know, they decided it was worth, you know, it's, you know, pressing it on their championship window right now. So I feel bad for Baker. I feel bad for them, too. Nora? I think Baker will be fine,

but I think his actions are completely justifiable. Right. Like, there's sort of two things here, right? Why, in many cases, do many people who might have gripes with their employer not say, bad things about their employer because they would like for their employer to continue to be their employer.

Baker Mayfield does not really want his employer to continue to be his employer. So, you know, go off king, as the kids say. The other thing is that, in fact, it may actually help Baker Mayfield's attempts to no longer be employed by his employer to say some of these things out loud.

So, I agree. I have a question. go for it. Baker Mayfield's future employment. Baker Mayfield this year is making $18.85 million. I ask both of you, does Baker Mayfield in a single season ever make more than that for the rest of his career? I'm going to say no.

Maybe in a single see, it really depends on where he, and I hate to say it depends on, but like it really does depend on where he lands next. Because I think in the interview he ends up saying, thought he was going to go to the Colts. If he had gone to the Colts, he'd probably be, you know, able to resuscitate his career and everyone would love him again. I don't know how it would look.

I think he mentioned Seattle as the other destination that he could possibly end up at. And I don't know how that goes, you know. I think at this point, the league probably views him as, you know, not necessarily a starting quarterback, just when you consider the market that's pursued him ever since he's been on the trade block. But that being said, like, if he's able to have him, he's able to have. like one or two good years, we could see him back in, you know, starting quarterback money.

And like you guys have mentioned, the money is only going to continue to go up. So price of the backup quarterback, especially one has experienced Baker. He could probably command around close to $15, $18 million. But I don't know if he's ever going to touch $20 ever again unless he has a huge year. Well, and like, what if Baker has kind of a Ryan Fitzpatrick type career?

What if he bounces around flashes? Yeah. Patrick is the patron saint of resurrecting his career and making money at the end. And like, kind of maybe being assigned to be a backup, but then starting some, maybe he's a bridge quarterback, maybe he's a high-end backup,

like existing in that range. I don't know. Five to eight years from now is that player getting 18 a year? Probably. There was a huge ass company. comfy chill dog right next to Baker Mayfield the entire podcast. I love that.

Yeah, no. What is this podcast? Like, I don't want to be this. It's called the, I'm looking it up here. You know what I mean podcast. That's 6,000 followers on, I'm looking here.

It's with a guy named Just Mike. Doesn't really narrow it down. And John Kilmer. It's the other guy. Good for Just Mike. I'm not, I do not know what the, you know what I mean podcast is, but good for them. Good get by Baker for with Baker, getting them to open up. Great job.

The dog appears to belong to the hosts. So good job on them. And, uh, yeah, listen, I, I hope the best for Baker. I just don't see a lot of such a lot of good situation for him in 2020. Some of this after the Arian's retirement, what we thought it meant for Brady and all this stuff. And now a new report comes out. This has been reported before, but kind of less. substantially that Tom Brady was going to receive, after his retirement, a high position in the Miami front office,

is all via the Boston Globe and Ben Bowling, Nora's old coworker, that it was going to be similar to the job Derek Jeter had with the Miami Marlins, and that eventually Sean Peyton and Tom Brady were a package deal as coach and quarterback, and the Brian Flores situation blew all of itself. Now, a couple of things. Number one is Mike Florio has previously reported the idea of him, Brady going to Miami and the Sean Payton thing. Our boss Bill Simmons on a podcast with me right after the Super Bowl said he thought that Miami with a job in the ownership group was also a possibility of playing and also owning part of the team, which that's part of this as well. Obviously, Stephen Ross and Brady have the Michigan connection going back. and also the Dolphins, the type of franchise that needed.

Even though the Derek Deuter thing didn't work, you could see an owner talking himself into a Brady-like figure helping out, and obviously at some point playing. Nora, when you saw this story, and it has gotten some buzz, I mean, like Ben was on Levitard yesterday, and Levitard seems to have asked why this is not the biggest story in the world right now. There's a bunch of reasons for it,

but when you saw the story, Nora, you thought what? So I kind of thought, I don't understand why it's not a bigger story because it's kind of a wow story. I think different parts of it had come out so in some of your pieces. Yeah, I think it's because there's been this like information trickle. But it's kind of wild. There are a lot of moving pieces here. And I like the last thing that I want to do is claim to have been aware of things that I did not report because that's lame as heck. But like to sort of substantiate this, this was very much.

going around at the Super Bowl. Like, random people were just like, hey, Tom Brady's going to own part of the dolphins. And it was just like, who are you? Like, why are, what? Who are you? Why is some, like, random agent talking about this? So it was very much, like, in the water stream, which is fascinating because there's pieces of this now that seem kind of like quasi subterfugee.

And maybe that's just because they didn't know that the law. was coming. So it all seemed a little bit more like not on the level necessarily, but okay to talk about. And then it was like, well, now he's got a like, Brady's not done being part of the NFL. So now he has to McGiver his way back into a situation in Tampa that he's okay with. And then it all takes on slightly more of this aura of behind the scenes wheeling and dealing. But it, I guess because of that. it surprises me that this doesn't feel like a bigger deal that,

like people get mad about everything. And Tom Brady was going to like sneak off and partially own the dolphins. And nobody cares. I think he's a part because he already owns the dolphins. He's 24 and 12 in his career against him. Bam. Wait, also, also just to shout out Ben's reporting a little bit more, Ben did say that Brady didn't, he chose not to thank the Patriots in his non-retirement

retirement announcement because he thought he was going to go to their divisional rival, which I love. That makes sense. That's so wild, man. Like, again, it's crazy how much scamming goes on in the NFL for Tom Brady. Has there ever been like a player owner in the now? National Football League. And for us to be okay, like, like you guys saying,

it's really weird that we're so numb to cynical news and weird shit that happens in sports and life period, because this really should be a bigger deal. Like, Tom Brady was about to go from Tampa Bay to Miami. I don't know. I was thinking about this earlier because I saw, like, some quote from Levante David. I don't know if he has any comments on this, but like, how do you show back up in the locker room? I know he's Tom Brady, and you're kind of like, okay, whatever, it's Tom Brady.

Like, you can't say anything to him. you're not going to cross him, but like, how do you show back up in the locker room? It's like, oh, yeah, I was going to leave you guys. I was going to go play down, you know, down the road from you guys. And here I am. And then Bruce Ari just lost his job because apparently Tom Brady. So it's crazy.

All Tom Brady had to do, apparently, reading some of the media coverage, we show up at Bruce Ariens' retirement press conference, sit in the front row, and everyone just decided to dismiss any other story other than Tom Brady loved Bruce Ariens. And this is all, this is all, This is all normal. Everything is completely fine.

And you're a conspiracy theorist if you think anything out of the ordinary is going on with Broussaryans' March retirement. Everything is normal. This is the weirdest. I don't mean to see here. Wait, can I mention something else that's not normal? Tom Brady recently shot an ad campaign for his athlete leisure brand where he and his son played basketball in a squash court. I've not seen this. I don't think it's making, first of all,

a story that I'm curious about is the various, the varied level of success of Brady's outside of football businesses because I've got to be honest. I've not seen a lot of Brady brand hot in the streets right now, but we'll see. Anyway, he shot this ad and they're playing basketball in a squash court, which is just not where you play basketball. And it left me with more questions than answers.

That's it. That's all I wanted to say. Roger Sherman joins us now. Roger, we're going to get to this draft. I want to break down one thing with you. There was a incredible good dog next to Baker Mayfield for that entire podcast. It's not his dog. I've looked into this. Baker Mayfield gave a long speech about how he's being,

he's been disrespected. And he's felt disrespected many times in his career. It's kind of the only thing he's ever felt. And the entire time there's just an Australian Shepherd belly up, completely motionless, not caring at all about Baker Mayfield's disrespect. And I think that dog should be the new mascot of the Cleveland Browns. Apologies to their history of Bull Mastiff's. If it didn't care about Baker Mayfield, are we sure it wasn't an NFL GM? Oh!

I feel like I have. to make that exact noise after that joke. I feel like the dog was asking for a tummy scratch. And Baker Mayfield. The dog felt disrespected. Yeah. Come on, Baker. All right, we're going to do the draft.

The dog was like Odell. It did not. It was Baker would not look at him. The dog's dad is making a video as we speak. He's got to get a new house. Steph, you have the draft. order, let's hear it. All right.

With the first pick, we have Roger going first. Second, we have Nora. Third, we have you, Keb. And last but not least, we'll have Kailen. But the positive was second round, Kayla, you will have the first pick as we'll go on stake order

and we'll go backwards. As someone who's watched a million NBA draft lottery is hoping that my team gets the first pick, I'm used to this sort of disappointment. How did we, Did our producer of Juna use one of those random draft generators? Do what happen here? Yes, we do have a random draft.

Nobody. That's it. We did you right. It's all right. Sorry. Sorry. I'm just protesting. We're each drafting a GM, a coach, an owner, and a wild card, which can be anything, right?

Anything in the world. Anything in the world. Roger Sherman, you have the first pick. I'm going to, I don't think I've, I'm going to shock the world here. I'm going to take a GM with my first pick. I think that's the key to drafts, right? The GM, I'm going to take Chris Ballard from the Colts.

You know, the track records there. We've got Quentin Nelson, Darius Leonard, Michael Pittman, Jonathan Taylor in the past few years. They have not drafted a great quarterback. They have cycled through those. So that could be a concern from a hypothetical war room. But just getting a lot of guys. great picks all the time.

I don't think I'm causing a lot of controversy, saying the cults have been one of the best drafting teams in the NFL, not necessarily other things in the NFL, but with drafts, they've killed it. It's a good pick. I believe that was, this is tough because I believe Chris Ballard was number one on Nora Princeati's top

GMs list last year, and now she might be on tilt. It's okay. Chris Ballard was at the top of, at the top of my big board. Oh, my God. He swiped him. You swiped him, Roger. I can't believe it. That's okay.

That's okay. I can pivot here. I am going to take my wild card first. Slightly controversial strategy. But I'm going to nab this because I think somebody else might. I think I want Kevin Colbert's receiver notes. Oh, okay. That was on my,

that was on my big board, but it's not the wild card I was going to take. That's okay. Why wouldn't you just take Kevin Colbert? Okay. No, because you don't. I want a wasted GM pick. Yeah. And also, I don't know that I would have assumed that that was,

I guess he's through the draft. Nah, I mean, come on. I was assuming that I could not take Kevin Colbert and I wouldn't have taken him as a GM. Anyway, I want, I want the receiver notebook and nothing else. There you go. Kevin Colbert's an amazing GM, by the way. That's a great wild card pick.

So I'm up. I'm going to take as a coach, as a coach, Bill Belichick Bill Belichick I love this I feel like there's going to be a bunch of good GMs available later I don't need any of this stuff

I want BB give them to me Kaelin what do you got you're up for two yeah I've got back to back picks so I'm taking the GM and coach here I'm going with less need Sean McVeigh

we've got the infrastructure we're going to figure things up we're going to draft well and we've got the genius as our head coach you're going to you're going to you're going to draft? They're going to draft? Oh, we don't need first round picks.

They're going to trade away their picks, bro. We don't need first round picks. They are the best at the belt being, you know, I think they've had 14 players who have like a high, at least 10 weighted average. I think that's important to like pro football reference, guys who are drafted outside the second round. So they are the best at developing picks.

We just don't talk about it because they trade all the first round picks for stars. I'm with us. Do you get the draft house as a bonus thrown in? Didn't even think about that. Look at that. You don't have to take it as your wild card. No, it's all there. All right.

To pair with Mr. Bill Belichick, this is huge for me. I'm going to take, I'm going to take the ownership group. of the Green Bay Packers. Oh my God, no. No, no, no. Now I have to find another owner.

Sam, Sam. I thought it was going to be the only person who had that idea. Oh, no way. Fake stock sales. I'll go in my pocket because I don't even know what my role is here. I'm the assembler, but I'm somehow not the owner. I thought they were going to fall. I thought the Green Bay Packers were going to fall.

man. The lack of an owner is amazing. Why would it fall? I just thought my fellow general managers in this draft would get caught up with like the personalities of certain owners and they'd overlook the fact that there's one team that just bypasses all of that. I was really hoping I could get that one in the third round. But that's, that's why no one's going to take me in their draft of draft of drafters. Draftors of the drafts. Nor are you up, buddy. Great pick, Kevin. All right.

Thanks, bud. I'm taking Andy Reed. That's a good one. Because I've already got... I'm just going through it right now. Yeah. I have a draft board here. I made a draft board for this and I'm getting wrecked.

So I was eyeing... I had Andy Reed and Bill Belichick as my top two targets for a coach. And one thing that they share is, I think, an ability to look at a player and see what they're good at. And with Andy Reed in particular, I like his ability to coach him up, to scheme up the right designs to make these guys thrive early on in their NFL careers.

I'm looking at how much money the top receivers are getting right now. And with Kevin Colbert's notes and Andy Reed's coaching and scheme, I see it. We're going to be getting some good value on offense. See the vision. Wow.

That was good. Wow. Man, this is, Norris kind of building a juggernaut right now. Roger, how's your big board, bud? You're up for two.

So I only put one item on my owner's big board. I only put the Packers. With my second, if you fail to plan, you plan to fail. I'm terrible. With my second pick in the draft, I'm going to take a coach.

I'm going to take Sean McDermott. I feel like he has a lot of input on the bills. Draft that he basically had the opportunity to choose as a GM when they got Brandon Dean a few years ago. So I think he's been behind a lot of their picks if we're looking for a coach who has that in it. And they got Josh Allen, which is probably

in terms of draft picks that turned out that many people did not think would turn out, I would say that that is very high on the list. So that's why I'm grabbing him with my second round pick. You have a third round pick too? Yeah, I'm struggling there. I need to look, I need to Google least bad NFL owners. I think I'm going to take the next. eight picks to figure out which

team owner I'm going to pick. And I'm going to take your wild card here. Okay. I'm going to take Nike, Bill Belichick's Kleecki. Shout out. Shout out. We saw him drafting. Why don't I get him?

Exactly. Not only am I, not only am I getting a lovely dog that's going to run around. His beloved dog. Yeah. So Bill Belichick is going to be drafting for your team, but he's going to be really concerned because he just got dog-napped. He's going to be unable to concentrate.

The Patriots draft where Nike rose to fame was not half bad. Yeah, he was sitting behind the computer making those picks. And mainly I'm just scurrying over Kevin. Kevin thought he was slick with that. Oh, I'm just getting Bill Belichick. coach and not the GM, but now it's Bill Belichick, the guy who's really distressed. Just looking for his dog. Oh, my God.

All right. You guys have fun with the next seven picks while I Google NFL. Unmorally conflicted NFL owners. I'm putting the microphone down. Hi, Nora. Hello. Now that I know you can just steal things from other people, this is taking on a new, a new, a new wrinkle. I don't need to hesitate on my pick here.

This is where I go GM. You're like the people who get their card in early because you're so excited about their pick. Yeah, because I know. Because I know. And it's because I'm operating off my board. I'm not worrying about what other people think. There you go. And on my board, I'm taking Tom Telesco as my GM.

Yeah. I thought about that. That's a good pick. And this is actually like particularly as a pure drafter and especially, in the high rounds, this man, I mean, Justin Herbert, Derwin James, Joey Bosa, Mike Williams, Melvin Gordon. It is just, it is just really impressive stuff. And that, you know, we're getting guys like Keenan Allen in the later rounds, too.

It's just very impressive. And I was hopeful that I would be able to get my guy, Tom Telesco, if I needed to wait on GM since I didn't think he was going to be like the flashy pick, the expected pick. But I'm really happy with how the squads round him out. I'm also not going to hesitate. That was a very good pick. Tosco was on my big board as well.

The choice of them made for me with my wildcard pick, I am taking the Saints salary cap department. Make everything fit, restructure, whatever, all good, all problems are solved. I want whoever is responsible for that stuff. They're in my war room. Belichick is left to go look for his dog. And I don't know. We don't have an owner.

I feel like the accounting department of the Saints might be in charge at this point. Anyway, that's where I'm at. Kailin Jones. All right. I got less needed McVeigh. I'm going to go with owner here. Arthur Blank from the Falcons.

As far as like morally corrupt, owners. I don't know too much about Arthur Blank, and I feel like he says a lot of nice things in public, so I'm going to go with him. My wild card here, the Cowboys trademark. They are worth $6.5 billion as an NFL franchise. I need all that money and all that value to make my franchise valuable. So that way, when I trade away my first round picks, I can afford to go over the salary cap and continue to pay all these star players. So there we go. I'm proud of my team happy here. Wow. Kalyn has the richest war room. Man, that's tough. I have my last pick here. Cowboys trademark. I need a GM.

I believe so. I need, I need, no, I need athleticism for Belichick to mold. Don't have an owner. We're going to draft superstars and we've already got the San Francisco. Sauerkaft department on board. The guy who drafts the highest ceiling guys in the entire league is coming into my war room. It's Brett Veach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Also, Big F1 fan. We can turn on Imala in the war room. No way, you look unhappy with that.

I'm happy for you. Me too, because I have the best one. I don't know if I would go that far, but you're up. All right. So I just need to know. owner. I'm, I'm, where I do give you credit is I think you made a good ownership selection. I would have liked. Well, Wild Card is amazing. But you know what I'll do? I'm going to take, I'm going to take Stevie B. I'm going to take my guy, Steve Bashadie here. Oh, and, and just have

a fairly low-key, relatively non-invasive, but, hey, let's get a little analytics going in the mix vibe from my team owner here. Interesting. I'd rather not have an owner, but I do like Steve Boshadhi as an option. Roger Sherman has picked up the microphone again. He has reemerged from his Googling of the least bad NFL owners. By the way, go ahead. I just want someone who's not going to interfere with what I'm doing.

I'm also, I'll take what I can from the Steelers. The Steelers have been good at drafting. I assume the Roonies have not interfered with the draft process, have they? Do they have a history of doing that? I mean, they, they, it's kind of like the Maras where they've, in the past, kind of been in with baked into the scouting department, but they pretty much let them do their own thing. I'll, I'll close out with that. Wow.

Um, best people who were not drafted, Brandon Bean, who we love one of the top five GMs in football. He was one A, one B with, with Beach there. Just a, just a different,

different skill set. And also the McDermic, did a McDermott pick by Roger, uh, cut the legs out of that because that would be a good pairing to, to reunite. Um, I'm trying to think who else.

Who were the greats that didn't get picked? You know who I had on my GM? list. Yeah. Who's on your GM list? And because I was thinking pretty specifically about draft success. But I had our guy, Duky T. I thought about that too.

I thought about that too. Wow. Yeah, you guys had all refills on your list. I like that Nora and Kailen had kind of drafts that were very cohesive. nor are going with Andy Reid and Kevin Colbert's wide receivers. Kalin, not taking, first of all, taking both of the Rams and also admitting that he's just going to want to spend big in free agency and look for that. I had no cohesion here because. Well, no, you had a plan and then it all fell by the wayside as soon as the Packers' ownership was selected.

Draft plans out the window. Wait, I have a question, though. I have a question. Yes. Could Kailen, like, how realistic would these, do these need to be? Like, could Kailen have drafted Sneed and McVeigh, but then also taken as a wild card? Like, I had on my wild card list, Howie Roseman's draft pick acquisition strategy. Yeah, I think that's too much.

Because you get, like, in theory, in like four years, someone who could actually hire someone, to hire Kevin Colbert as like a consultant. All right. Right. Like in theory. That's a juggernaut. You're not going to hire, you're not going to hire Howie Roseman to be a consultant,

and then he's just going to make like 10 trades for you. He can tell you like a couple of things to do, but he can't start trading second round. I don't know. Are those the rules of the game? Yeah, there were really no rules. I think like the people who were missing for me were Brandon Staley, Mike Tom, like Sean Peyton.

I was going to take Sean Payton. I'm surprised no one took Sean Peyton. It was not the league. Not in the league. I had Tomlin on my list. Sure. Okay. Sean Peyton's not in the league, but he was about to come back.

Exactly. He was using air quotes when he says not in the league. Not in the league. Yeah. Like Sean Peyton is shadow puppet mastering like 19. And the brain trust of the Dallas Cowboys who have made some good picks but are very involved in everything and literally run everything. No one touched them. No one touched the Jones family.

That's why I took a trade money. I want your money. I don't want your thinking. Jerry Jones accidentally referenced Monica Lewinsky in a press conference this morning. It's that, it's that thing where you want to say, oh, you know, wow, they found Dak Prescott laid in the draft. That's incredible. And then you look at other aspects of the way they do things and you think, oh, that might have been an accident in the way that he said Monica Lewinsky. Okay, okay.

It was a thousand percent. I commend them for doing it and getting them under contract, all that stuff, even if it was, it took a while. But Stephen Jones admitted at an event I was at. It wasn't too many, but I was standing there during the press availability. That Connor Cook was ahead of them on the board, head of DAC on the big board because he played in a pro-style offense. And we all know that Gary Jones wanted Paxton Lynch,

and he wanted Johnny Mantell. so dac getting there was an accident of history but i also think by the way to give the jones family credit they have drafted really well the will mcleigh their guy there they've done a nice job they've got a bunch of all pros and have had a bunch of all pros on that that roster

early pro bowlers on that roster so it's not like it's been a disaster i think they no ball it's just there's there's some other stuff that comes along with the family that might be a distraction in the war room. Speaking of drafting really well, and I'm now going to play the role of Stephen Ruiz on this podcast, why does my guy Tom Telesco not have a better reputation as just like a draft pick-making king?

Well, it's because the team's not that good. Yeah, it's the Chargers too. Branding. That's, again, Cowboys trademark. We will always be in the news. They care about what we do. If I didn't have the first pick, I was looking at Televents.

because they just hit on first rounder after first rounder after first rounder. It seems like they're moving in the right direction. Justin Herbert, I would say, good pick. So I thought getting that in the third round there was, was some Telesco S drafting. Although I guess I didn't realize how much competition I might have had for Tommy T if he was on your guys' boards too. Because as soon as Ballard was off board, I was like, okay, I thought I was going to want to go GM first, but I can wait on this.

So like, we're like, oh, this guy doesn't have a good reputation. But here we are four members of the national media, all loving Tom Telesco. The Hype, Telesco hive is real. And we just have to spread the gospel using our podcasts like the ringer NFL show available wherever you download your podcast. Stephen Reese is so mad he's on vacation right now. I'll tell you what ruined his vacation is when the ringer NFL account tweeted out the best AFC West quarterbacks and put Herbert 3rd. Oh, wow.

Disrespecting the Herbert guy. I'm surprised he didn't fly back. Roger, why are spring? I'm watching the Boston College Spring game in the background here, Roger. What? Why? It's Boston. It's...

He's scouting the competition. Boston... We're not even playing BC this year. It's Boston versus Eagles. And I feel like that's the structure of every spring game. Like, how have spring games not gotten better in 100 years? It's just... My favorite ones are when they do offense versus defense.

And they have to come up with a weird scoring system. Normally, they just go like red versus blue and your colors. Whatever the two colors are of your school. But no, I would have. recommend watching the Boston College Spring game, my man. Well, it's just something to watch in the background while I work. What am I going to, what else am I going to watch?

It's the sound is off. You're not even playing them this year. Like, I just, that's a question of a question. What is a cry for help? No, I enjoy watching college football. You're not watching college football. You're watching the Boston versus the Eagles. There's better options here.

There's better options. There's not better options. They're not, I'm looking at my guide right now. And Big Ten Network has big today. What the hell is that? Can I tell you about a former Boston College, Eagle, who I would recommend you watch more than what you're currently watching?

Sir Brian Flores. Christopher Kreider. Oh, wow. I don't want to talk about it. 50 goal score. I draw a line under the BC. under the BC spring game and hockey is currently not above it

here on April 13th. I'm now watching the Texas A&M spring game. You guys out there you go. That's a step up. Yeah, it's kind of we actually play them. We play them. This man is so dedicated that even while he was drafting

he was grinding deep on Boston college and stuck in the street. I wasn't like paying attention. I wasn't like locked in and like looking at looking at their linebacker play. It's just something. I like football. I don't know about you guys. You almost had to you almost had to forfeit your

third round pick because you were too busy scouting the Boston, not the Eagles, just Boston's run game. That was yeah, guys, the joke is kind of on us because Kevin still wound up with Packers ownership while half paying attention to the exercise.

Roger, you sat next to me to Boston College basketball game two weeks ago. I actually did. That's true. That's true. That was a great time, man. The University of Miami is back. That's what they call it. The university. All right, guys.

Anything else? No, we just talked about the B.C. Yeah, what a way to wrap. Seven minutes. Could have done 20 more. Bill Yerkevich. Shout out. Talk about.

All right. We'll be back next week or if there's some emergency pod we need to do. Stephen Ruiz will probably be back next week. from his vacation, if not sooner. He doesn't get angry about all the, all the chargers. Just slander.

Slander. If it goes on around, around these parts. This has been the Ringar NFL show, part of the Ringer podcast. Thank network. Thank you to Stefan Anderson, production production, production, provision by Arjuna Ramon.