The Ringer NFL Show - DJ Moore Trade! Trent McDuffie Trade! And What Are the Raiders Doing?

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

Sheil is joined by The Ringer’s own Billy Gil to analyze some of the big NFL trade news buzzing around the league. They then dive into the stories circling around the Raiders organization that might be accelerating Maxx Crosby’s possible exit from Las Vegas.(00:00) DJ Moore trade! Trent McDuffie trade! And what are the Raiders doing?(3:04) Bills acquire DJ Moore from the Bears(24:30) Chiefs trade Trent McDuffie to the Rams(35:23) Brandon Beane’s run(43:51) Tom Brady, Alex Guerrero, and Maxx CrosbyThe Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available.Host: Sheil KapadiaGuest: Billy GilProducer: Chris SuttonVideo Editor: Stefano SanchezProduction Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Capade. We got a lot of stuff going on in the NFL this week. DJ Moore traded from the Chicago Bears to the Buffalo Bills. Trent McDuffie traded from the Kansas City Chiefs to the Los Angeles Rams. We're going to talk about both those deals. Did we like it for both sides?

Either side, neither side. We're going to get into all that. And then there is kind of a wild story circulating in Las Vegas with the Raiders and Tom Brady. and Alex Guerrero and Max Crosby. We had to get into that because the more we talked about it, I felt like the weirder story I realized it actually was. So we've got on Billy Gill from the Ringer, our friend. Let's take a break.

We come back with Billy talking about all those stories. All right, we are back here on the Ringer NFL show. Shield Capadia with Billy Gill. We got some big time trades to talk about. We got a Raider situation to talk about. But Billy, what's really exciting about potting the first week of March is that there's a chance that we're talking about one thing and all of a sudden news breaks. So I need you to multitask. Usually I don't like when the person I'm potting with is checking social media and stuff.

But you are allowed to do that if you need to today just in case there's a huge trade while we're recording that we need to react to live. Well, you have labeled me in the past a man of media, so I will do my best to kind of be paying attention to the social media, see what's going on. To your point, Jill, I saw that this very week emergency podcast episode was recorded and published by you. So there you go. You're a man of the people. You say, you know what? My podcast schedule will be damned. If there's news, I will break it and I will stop whatever I'm doing to tell the world what we think about this. You know, it might be a podcast. It might be a little short form vertical video. on Instagram on the Ringer NFL account. You know, maybe I just set up shop here in the chair next to me, break out the phone and say, I'm giving the people what they want right away.

So that's why you got to make sure you follow Ringer NFL show on all social media channels. I caught on to that too. I was going to ask you about that. I was like, is sheel entering the game of influencers? Are you going to be a social media influencer now that you're just instant reaction? Here are my thoughts on said, you know, story of the day? Billy, if I told you how long it took me to do that and how to get the phone set up and am I sitting correctly and oh no, this is too long. And, you know, my daughter's feedback is this is too long.

Dad, what are you doing? You're still talking on this when I showed it to her. So a lot of work to do, but we're going to get there and get some interesting nuggets out there on the Ringer NFL show channel. So there you go. All right, we got some big traits to talk about Billy. We have today, let's start with the most recent one, DJ Moore, the bills. The Buffalo bills, we've talked about the bills a lot, you and I. And now the bills make a move at wide receiver, sending a 2026 second round pick to the Bears for DJ Moore and a 2026 fifth round pick.

So DJ Moore is entering his age 29 season. He had 50 catches for 682 yards last season. We know that the bills need a wide receiver. I wonder how, you know, how should we attack this? Because I feel like I can give you the nerdy, analytical, you know, take on this trade. I don't, if I called you a normie, is that insulting to you? Like, how do you, how would you describe your sort of NFL fandom? I'm a guest. I mean, can I be a, can I be an every man? Like an NFL, every man? I like that. I mean, I will, I will say this.

I'm not going to give you the nerd stuff that you will, you know, self-describes put out there yourself. So I feel like it's a good balance. You know, I'm an every man here. I'm a consumer of not just media, but NFL media, sports media. I have thoughts. and opinions that I'll give you if I feel it's appropriate at the time. So yeah, I'm here to kind of check things out. Can I just say, and I somewhat share your enthusiasm, but I also hate this time of the season for this reason.

We're in this weird purgatory where we're not like actually like in free agency and we haven't had the draft yet. So we're seeing the moves. lead to the moves. But right now we're just seeing phase one of a lot of these moves. So then you and I have to come in and we have to fill time and we have to inform the general public with nerd stuff or everyman stuff based on the move that might be leading to the move that then we can look foolish about two weeks from now, three weeks from now, a month from now, where we either crush it or we praise it and we're like, oh, that was an incomplete picture. And we didn't see everything that was

going on there. But the clock doesn't stop on the NFL media content. No, it doesn't. And Netflix doesn't say, you know what? Billy and Sheel need to see the entire picture before they put out an episode. They say, get an episode out today and we say, yes, sir, or ma'am, we will do that. I find that frustrating about all NFL coverage, like, for the first month of the season, all my takes are like, everybody settled down. It's only four games.

Everybody's, but I'm like, I can't just take off like the first 10 weeks of the NFL season and then come back and be like, all right, now we have a bit. bigger sample. And you're right, that relates to the offseason too, because a lot of these moves, it's an incomplete picture. They're trying to put together this puzzle. And a month from now, or really after the draft, I would say, we can look at it and say, okay, the bills made that DJ Moore and then they did this, or the Bears traded DJ Moore and then they did this. But now we try to guess a little bit. And so we're going to give you the nerd and the every man take. So what's the every man take, Billy from this DJ Moore trade? You want to start from the

Bill's angle. Why don't you start from the Bill's angle? If you're a Bill's fan, every man, and you say, oh, we traded a second round pick for DJ Moore. How should you kind of be feeling right now? So if you're a Bill's fan, one of your biggest needs is a number one wide receiver. And you start looking out and you're saying, who are the pieces that are available via free agency? Should we wait until free agency? There's Alec Pierce, Mike Evans, Romeo Dobbs. Like, there's names, but there's not great names. And DJ Mo, more is a name, I guess. I don't want to say incomplete,

because that's not what our job is here today, is to kind of just not give an opinion. I don't love it if I'm the bills, right? He was, I believe, the 50th receiver in the NFL last year in receiving yard. So a top 50 receiver technically, but right in there at number 50. He's coming in and based on his production last year,

he'd be your number two receiver compared to how your receivers did this season. It was the fewest targets he's had of his career. So there is that, but he did play a complete season. He also wasn't the leading receiver on his team. And from the Bears' perspective, it seems like they're just trying to shed $24 million that they'd have to pay him to be a number two receiver.

And if you're the bills, you're now taking him on his $24 million. And I think he's signed through like 2028, and they've guaranteed like 15. Yeah, they guarantee more money according to Schefter. I think they guaranteed like $15 million of his 2028 salary. And he's coming in and he's going to be your third highest paid player right now behind Josh Allen and Dionne Dawkins. And Dionne Dawkins is making like $300,000 more than him. So basically he's essentially your second highest paid player.

He's right there tied with your number two paid player. And he might be your second best wide receiver. So I wonder, I don't think it's crazy to say that this is a reach. But it seems like they didn't like any of the free agents. or they didn't like the price they were going to have to pay for said free agents. So they went and they made a move. But I don't know that DJ Moore at this stage in his career, it's going to be 29 next season,

is the piece that they needed and the number one that Josh has been craving for all of these years. I generally agree with you. Let me give you the glass have full take first. And then I'll tell you what I actually think, which is more aligned with what you just said right there. So the glass have full take is that, you know, DJ Moore's not. necessarily being asked to be a number one wide receiver, the bills, the way their offense runs, they got complimentary pieces, they got Khalil Shakir, they got Dalton Kincaid, they got James Cook,

they like to spread the ball around a little bit. So it's not like he has to have a thousand yards for him to be successful. So you got that. He played for Joe Brady for a couple of years in Carolina. So you're a new head coach, knows DJ Moore, knows how to use him. He had two very good years under Joe Brady with the Carolina Panthers. So you got that. I do think his playing style is good for the way the bills want to play right now, which is kind of two things. One is get the ball out of Josh Allen's hands real quick. You know, they sort of like, it's a different version of Josh Allen, which you and I probably don't like watching as much as the crazy guy who would just chuck the ball downfield because he's incredible. It's more of a controlled, get the ball out,

pick up positive yards, avoid negative plays. And I think DJ Moore is good in that role. And then he's good in sort of that improv role where Josh Allen's scrambling around and it's just, hey, get open. It's kind of backyard football. So those are some good. So I think if you're a Bill's fan, it's okay to be excited. It's okay to push back on people like me

and people like Billy who are like, I don't know about, you know, this trade because you already had a strong offense, and I do think your offense got better here. But I kind of lean towards what you said. When I just look at use of resources and I look at it, I go a second round pick for a wide receiver entering his age 29 season,

who's coming off the worst year of his career with 50 catches for 682 yards. I'm not that. And then you extend him. Like you said, you're guaranteeing him money through 2028. I mean, his production has decreased in consecutive years here. And the bills have a limited number of resources. So I think some of this is what you said earlier where when we see what other wide receivers go for, we're going to be able to better judge this and be like,

Brandon Bink just totally misread this situation. Because like let's say A.J. Brown goes for a first round pick. I think most people would say I'd rather have A.J. Brown for a first than D.J. Moore for a second. Yeah. And let's say Alec Pierce is available in free agency and a team signs him for like $26 million per year. I would probably say I'd rather do sign him for $26 million per year than give up a second and then have DJ more for $24 million per year. Even one more I'll give you. Mike Evans, you mentioned. If you got Mike Evans for one year, let's say $17 million, I would rather do that.

So I'm looking at all these other options going, if I'm Brandon Vina, I think I could have found maybe another way to get a wide receiver without investing all this. I think it's the multiple years that also scares me if I'm a Bill's fan, where his play has been declining. And maybe this is a better system for him. Maybe Joe Brady will bring something out in him that we haven't seen since Carol Lina, but it's kind of like these couple years, these three seasons that it seems like they've committed to him, this is a plan.

Like, this is the plan. And if you're a Bills fan, I'd be disappointed where it's like, it feels like this might once again be another swing and a miss in terms of getting Josh Allen, like a main target, a main piece who, yeah, he likes to throw it around, but in part out of necessity because they don't have that main guy where if you bring in a main guy, he then takes the. pressure off the other guys. And maybe, you know, that main guy ends up being second in terms of receiving yards, but it's because he's opened up the field for everybody else where I don't think that that's what DJ Moore is going to be doing for them. It feels like a half measure.

When I heard you talk, I'm like, yeah, I think that's what Billy's kind of described. Like, if they would have gone out and given up a lot, but it's like a player who you just feel great about this guy's going to come in, make everyone else better, have 1,300 yards next year. Then we could have had the conversation. Did they give up too much? But hey, at least They got this player. And this is just kind of a middle ground where it's like, I don't know exactly what they're getting from DJ Moore at this stage of his career. And he gave up draft capital.

And you're guaranteeing him money. It's just kind of too much. And by the way, they have two offensive linemen who might leave in free agency. They have holes on defense. It's not like the most talented roster in the NFL. So to me, it's just a matter of like bad business where you have a certain amount of resources to use it in an offseason. This is not how I would have used those resources.

At a certain point, too, though, like, you want to see them take a big swing. Even if it doesn't pan out, like, take a big swing because it's hard and, like, he's a good guy by all reports, right? But it's hard to, like, years from now go to Josh and say, hey, we're going to need you to restructure your deal to free up some cap room because we're paying DJ more $25 million his second or third year in and it hasn't worked out. It's like, why did you bring him in to begin with? I understand if I'm on board with this plan, you're getting me all of these pieces, and we're one piece away, and now I'll restructure so that we can finally get over the hump.

But this isn't a guy, and now you've somewhat handcuffed yourself to him for the next couple. I mean, the NFL money is always funny money, right, where you can kind of get out of it, so it doesn't really mean all that much. But swing bigger, like swing for the fences for Josh at a certain point in time, you know? Yeah, you know, and the thing, like,

also if you're a Bill's fan listening to this, you still have a great chance to get to the Super Bowl next year. That's just going pretty much be the case with Josh Allen every year. So I'm not telling you the team's going backwards or the team's going to stink. Like they're still going to be really good. Josh Allen's going to be an MVP candidate. It's just a matter of like, you know, if you went into this offseason hoping for something big, is this the move you were hoping for?

And I would probably say no to that. The thing that worries me about the Bills and Josh, too, though, is he's been uncommonly healthy. especially for someone that gets hit as much as he gets hit and plays a game as physical as he plays it. He's a big guy. He can take the hits. He causes a lot of the hits that he takes sometimes just with his style of play. And he has the record for consecutive games play.

We've joked about that because he'll come in and he'll do one play at the end of the season. And then he's out just to not get injured headed into the playoffs. But you can't bank on your quarterback always being healthy, especially as you're saying, they may lose some linemen here. at a certain point you need more than just, well, Josh is going to get us there. So we just need to get him complimentary pieces and it'll take us as far as he gets. Because he got hit a couple times last season where we did wonder like, oh, wow, is this the one that's going to kind of sideline him?

And he was injured. Yeah. They came out after the fact, right? After that playoffs game. Yeah, you're right. Not only him, I would add, their offensive line has been like the healthiest offensive line in the NFL for two years, which is sort of an under the race. our thing, but it's like, we all know when you've watched a team and like one offensive

lineman goes out and the backup has to come in and you're like, this is a disaster, man, the offense can't function and they haven't had to deal with that. And now they got to fill a couple offensive line spots as well, most likely. Well, then, like, bigger picture, we all have been looking at it from like the prism of, oh, wow, they wasted this opportunity where, you know, he didn't have to go through Lamar Jackson, he didn't have to go through Patrick Mahomes, he didn't have to go through Joe Burrow, he didn't have to go through it. I wonder if there's going to be a day, and I don't want to jinx anything,

but I wonder if there's going to be a day where we look back and we go, well, not only they wasted that, they wasted their good health. Like, they wasted the opportunity where they didn't have big injuries on their line or to their quarterback, and they just couldn't get over the hump. And now they have to deal with those issues. I wonder if we're going to look back, Sheila, and I hope it's not the case, even like being a Dolphins fan in division. I wonder if we're going to look back and just say, like, wow, the bill's, like,

what a shame that was, that it just never ended up working. out for them. Like what a wasted opportunity for Josh Allen and the bills. I think he'll still get one. I think he's that good. At some point he'll get one. There may be a lot of ups and downs until then, but I think eventually he will get one. But is it the Stafford plan where at a certain point they say, you know what? Like, thank you for your service. Like we're going to do you a solid on the way out and we'll send you a place that you can get one. No. I think he gets one with the Bill's fans, I know. Bill's fans are like,

Shield, you've been telling me that they're loyal listeners. They're like, you've been telling me this for many years and it still has not happened. I think it will happen eventually here. A couple two, last two nerdy things here on DJ Moore,

Billy. One is, are you familiar with yards per route run? Was that, I know you had the football, the FTN Almanac. I don't know if that had yards per route run. And this is just an efficiency metric.

It's exactly what it sounds like. It's like, you know, you go out in a pass route this minute, times how many yards do you have and it's a way to track who are the most like efficient receivers with the opportunities they get and he ranked 55th out of 77 wide receivers last year. So that's not great. And then are you familiar with the YouTube channel QB school JTO Sullivan? Has that ever come across your time? No, let me write this down QB school. I would say it's like it may be my

favorite YouTube, obviously non-ringer category. My favorite NFL analysis content, he does these film breakdowns where he'll just like do a whole break. This is how Josh Allen played this entire game and he'll go through every play. And he's not like, he doesn't have any ulterior motives or agendas. He's just like, yeah, I think he should have thrown this here. Oh, what is this wide receiver doing? And the film heads, Billy, they don't like DJ more. They think that he doesn't run precise route.

that he just lacks in the details of route running, that he gives up on plays when he's not the number one wide receiver. So if you're wondering, why did the Bears make this move? I think that probably has something to do with it. But I love this. I actually really like this for the Bears, because they have kind of a well-rounded offense

where they've got Roma Dunzee, they've got Colston Loveland. They drafted Luther Burden last year. And now they get off this contract. That's $24 million per year for a player who was a guy. like a defining player for them last year. And to get a second round pick,

I mean, if you would have told me a week ago, DJ Moore's being traded, I would not have said he's getting a second round pick unless like the Bears were eating part of that salary. So that's a nice job, I think, by the Chicago Bears. Well, like, to all of your points, Colts and Loveland led them in receiving last year. So he, as a rookie.

Yeah. As a rookie. And they have Roma Dunezay who put up essentially the same numbers that DJ Moore did at like one fourth, one fifth, not even more than that, like one-tenth of the price, because he's still on his rookie deal. At a certain point, you're going to have to make a decision on him, and you can't be paying him what wide receivers are getting paid if you're paying DJ more. So do you get rid of the younger guy? Do you get rid of the older guy? They made what seems to have been the

wise decision there. Can we go back to QB school for a second? Yeah, because I have a question. So is QB school kind of like your model now that you're getting into the sports NFL influencing game? Oh, no, I can't get to that level. No, that. And that's kind of long for him. Like he'll do half an hour, hour. I'm trying to reach the kids, Bill. Yeah, I got you. Under two minutes now, the one I did on the Trent McDuffie trade,

that was hard to get it to three minutes, a little too long. Again, I think the younger generation probably tuned out of that bad boy. But we're going to work harder. What do you think? Two minutes, 90 seconds? Are you a scroller? How do I get your attention? If you're in my audience, what do I need to do?

I am a scroller, but I come from an A, radio background where time spent listening, TSL was like a very big metric back in the day. So you have to kind of keep it like entertaining. So if you're going to go long, you're going to have to, I know if your daughter seems to be your social media manager. Yeah, she is. Maybe your daughter can kind of throw in some graphics that pop in here or there, some flashes, something to kind of keep the eyes moving around and keep me intrigued.

Oh, what's, what's she'll going to do next? What's happening next, you know? You know what I was thinking? Like this one, I just did sitting in my, uh, chair in my office, like I said, I thought maybe, remember you and I talked smoothies a few weeks ago? Yeah. I thought maybe, you know, Sheel making his breakfast smoothie while giving you some NFL analysis, that may have a chance to go viral.

Okay. How about this? How about this? Sheel daily, or, you know, you try every couple days at the beginning. Eventually it'll become daily, right? Okay. But you just become like the smoothie guy, right? Where you're there and it's like focused in on the blender, the camera.

like it starts with you, but then we focus in on the blender, and then you're throwing in the ingredients that make this a good story. So, like, you'll throw in, like, some kale or banana or whatever it is into your smoothie. Spinach, yeah. Yeah, but the spinach is actually represented by information for the story and why it makes it an interesting story. So you're just in there, and then you blend it and then you take a sip and, like, that's a good story.

Okay. You can keep that. You can use that if you like. We're workshopping still. I was trying to picture it. I think there's something there. I don't know that we've nailed it, but I do think maybe we got to a place where let's get created.

I don't want to be afraid to fail. Yeah. No, you got to take a lot of big risk in the influencing game. That's what I've learned. Big risk, big rewards. Also, if I learned anything from Mr. Beast, it's that you're going to put up 100, 200, 300 videos out there before you really start gaining the traction.

So don't be afraid to fail and know that it's going to, to take a minute. Like you're going to have a lot of those. It has to become a passion project for you and you have to understand that you're not going to get the following that you want right away. But eventually one day will come. One video will come and that'll be your breakthrough. And then it'll all take off and change your life. Okay. So be a volume shooter. Yeah, yeah. You got, you just consistency is key. Lots of volume. Okay. Lots of consistency. People know exactly where and when to get the videos. Can I ask you a question because I sense you want to move on, but I want you to teach me something as the resident nerd here. So what was it,

yards per route run? What is the metric? So is there like, as players get older, do their yards per route run typically get more concise or fall off? Because I would think that as you're getting older, if you want your value to remain the same, you'd have to get more precise with your route running and with experience, I would think that you'd get sharper with route running. Or as players get older, does it fall off, or is there no correlation there? I think a wide receiver play in general, and again, yards per route run is an efficiency thing. I think it generally declines as you get older. Like we were having this conversation with Austin Gale earlier this season where I said, the closer you are to the ball, the less worried I am about your age. So like a guard who's 32,

that's cool. You can still be a guard at you 32. When you're a wide receiver and you're 32, who typically in the NFL, the decline has already started or the decline is coming. So, yeah, and route running in general, I don't know that guys get better at that when they're 29 years old. I feel like, you know, DJ Moore's had a lot of time in the NFL with different coaches. I don't know that that's something he's going to all of a sudden be great at. But again, I don't think it needs to be because I think there are things he does well that fit Josh Allen, fit the bills, and that even though what we're saying that I wouldn't have done this trade. It sounds like you wouldn't have done this trade. I still think DJ Moore can be a good player

for them next year and that they can contend for a Super Bowl. If I was the Bears, I would have done this trade in a second. Yes, I agree with that. What's that? Like, send that over right now. Like, we're good. Yeah, I'm with you. All right, let's take a break. We come back. We got another trade to get to the Trent McDuffie trade. All right, we're back here on the Ringer NFL show. All right, so let's continue this theme of nerds verse, not even verse every man. but nerd and every man, let's say. You know, we're not going against each other. So the Chiefs trade Trent McDuffie to the Rams for a 2026 first round pick,

number 29 overall, a fifth, a sixth, and a 2027 third. And Billy, the nerds really liked this trade for the Chiefs because they said, you know what? They got a haul. They got a lot of draft picks. They're going to be able to fill all these holes on their roster. this is a nice move for the chiefs. Do you agree? Do you like this for the chiefs?

Do you like this for the Rams? What was your initial take when you saw this trade go down? I think the every man opinion that's out there is they also like this for the chiefs because they're crediting Brett Veach with doing it, saying this is a guy that's done this before. He knows when to get rid of people too early versus too late.

If you can get a haul and you have someone that's out there willing to pay you a ton for someone, you make the move. I mean, it's a situation where I think Trent McDuffie has what, a year left on his deal so he may end up leaving anyways. So here it is, you're getting a bunch of picks for him. Maybe you can rebuild.

The Chiefs are in a weird spot. Everybody's comparing this to the Tyree Kill trade a couple years ago, which is also interesting because I believe the Chief's official position on Tyree Kill, if I'm not misremembering it, was they were monitoring that situation or monitoring him or something like that. Oh, this off season, you're saying.

Yeah, this off season. Yeah, it felt like Andy. didn't want to say there's no way he's coming back here, but he didn't want to come out and just say that. So he was like, yeah, we're checking it out, but nothing happening right now. Which is a weird, like, yeah, we're monitoring the Tyree. It's like, okay, cool. Like, whatever. Like, we don't need an official stance of this. It's fine. You just say, like, we're looking into everyone. But everybody credited to the Chiefs with that. They got rid of Tyree Kill. A lot of people said, wow, Tyree Kill is gone. He was like the heartbeat of this offense.

What is Patrick Mahomes going to look like without Tyree Kill? How are they, how are they still going to have this high power offense. And their offense somewhat, like, fell off a little bit in the latter portion, like the last two years in particular without Tyree Kill. But we saw they were able to just kind of build out their defense was able to lead them to Super Bowl. So they were able to figure it out. So I guess you have to give them the benefit of the doubt in this one, too, right?

You would assume we don't, we still don't have like an official Travis Kelsey decision yet, right? Unless I don't think so. I think the buzz is it sounds like. he's going to come back, but I don't think there's anything official. Well, I did see, and I don't know if you're aware of this, I did see that an official wedding date was released for Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's wedding. This off season, are you aware of that?

I was not aware of that. What do we have? When are they getting married? I believe it is mid-June. June 13th, I believe, is the official date for Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's wedding. Okay. The Ocean House Resort in Rhode Island. So I don't know if you already had.

The venue is out there too, huh? Do you think we'll be invited? I don't think we'll be invited. I do wonder if there were people that had reservations at this. If this is indeed the location of the wedding, I wonder if there are people that just coincidentally had reservations there. They're like, oh my gosh, like, we're going to, like, do I sneak a peek? Like, I had a balcony.

Do I stand out on the balcony and try to see? see what's going on. Like, what do we do here? I would think that gets shut down to anybody who's not a guest. I don't think there's random people staying there, right? That can't be the case. I'm with you. I feel like they have enough power where you like get,

you get some sort of email like, you know, a week or two before the, this news came out. And it's like, oh, we regret to inform you. Like, we have to cancel your booking, you know, maintenance or, you know, pipe burst, whatever. You're like, oh, wow, like, thank goodness, we're not going, where they're going to have all this renovation. and then you turn on the news, you're like, what? Like, our vacation to Rhode Island was canceled

because of Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift. Like, this isn't what I was. So, anyways, we've got it way off topic. So the chiefs are in a position where, you know, Patrick got injured at the end of last season. We'll see if he comes back and he's himself this season, right? But Travis is aging. The team is not looking like the juggernaut that they look like.

If you have someone who's going to give you a first fifth and a six, and a third rounder next year for a guy that you seemingly might only have one year left with him on your roster. Yeah, he's great, but you can also fast forward this mini rebuild, if you will, by getting rid of him knowing, you know, maybe our original window is closing,

but that doesn't mean that a new one can't open up next season or two seasons from now. So why delay the inevitable instead of just embracing it, getting rid of a name, getting all of these picks, and then we can kind of accelerate when the next window starts to open. Yeah, I think their windows always open with Baham's.

Like, we're never going to go into a season where he's the quarterback, I don't think, and be like, they got no shot. This year, the cheats, you know, you're kind of never going to say that. So you laid it out well. I think that is the thought process that we have some holes on the roster.

We got to rebuild them with younger players on rookie contracts. but I sort of feel like they're overthinking it. I think it's different than Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill was like 29 years old. He's got a heinous off-field track record. It's a very different situation. Trent McDuffie's only 25 years old. And I feel like most NFL teams, this has been true for decades,

is the whole basis of building a team is you draft, develop, and retain the players. And that's number one. That's the foundation of your team. draft, develop, routine. And I don't think the chiefs have a lot of great players. And so when I look at a cornerback who's 25 years old, who has played, you know, has had all pro seasons for them,

I look at it and say, why don't you just extend him, you know? And I don't want to hear that like, oh, we can't pay him salary cap. It's like I really don't think that's true. I think they choose not to pay Trent McDuffie. And so they got something for him. I get it. It could work out. But I also, I just.

feel like the whole point of the draft is to get players like Trent McDuffie, who are all pro-caliber players at premium positions and don't have a lot of holes. And that's Trent McDuffie. And again, he's not old. He's still in his prime. His best football could be ahead of him in the next three or four years. So I don't love it from their perspective. And I actually love it from the Rams perspective, Billy. I really like it. Because I think everyone's looking at it going Matthew Stafford's in his late 30s. This is an all-in win now move. And that's kind of true. like they were bad at cornerback last year and he's going to help them out right away

and I think they have a chance to win a Super Bowl this year. But it's not just a win now move because what I said, he's only 25 years old. Like even if Matthew Stafford retires after next season, they've got a number one cornerback for at least the next three or four years who's going to be able to play at a really high level. So I like it from that perspective.

And then, you know, less need. Remember the F them picks thing? Was it the parade he wore the shirt? Yeah. So there was always that with the first round pick. where he's like, we are going to trade all our first round picks and get players. That's what we're going to do. But then he would always, in the later rounds or the middle rounds, get more picks.

Like he would move back or he would. So it didn't end up like, oh, my gosh, the Rams only drafted four players. They would actually end up drafting a lot of players. And I think he'll be able to do that here, where he can maneuver in the draft and get some of that draft capital back. So this is one of those where I say, I would have done this. If I were the Rams, I would have said, let's be aggressive and go for it. And if I'm the chiefs, I would have said, Brett, listen, my friend, I understand what you're trying

to do here. I don't think we should do this. I understand what you're doing. But if I'm voting, I'm a no on this trade. Well, that kind of is the question, too, is when do you eventually miss on one of these moves? You know, like, when is it that you have hit so many times? Like, I can just recreate this every time. Like, I'm just the smartest person out there.

And I can take Trent McDuffie at 21st overall. pick and I'll trade him for a 29th overall pick and a fifth round and a six round and a third round next year. And I can, I'm just always going to hit. Like, I'm never going to miss on these. At what point does it like, are you no longer like, stop being cute? Like we hit on one. Let's not get rid of our hits when we have other holes that we need to fill to your point. And let's try to build around our hits instead of selling off our hits and hoping we just keep hitting again and again. Especially when you look at what they got. Like I felt like people were going overboard with what they got because, you know, on like an Adam Schaefter tweet, it's four different picks. And now,

oh my gosh, they got four picks. But like a fifth and a sixth rounder, I mean, the chances of hitting on that are very low. I'm not saying it's not good to have those picks. It's good to have those. But like, you're probably not going to hit on a starting caliber player in the fifth or sixth round. And then it's the 29th overall pick in the first round where I feel like we always do this with, oh, it's a first round pick. Like the 13th pick is very different than the 20th. And then it's a 2027 third. So now they have these charts where you can add up all the draft capital and be like, what's it actually worth?

And I think the one I was looking at it, it's like it's one mid-first-round pick is really what this entire package amounts to. And you look at Sauce Gardner. I mean, the Jets got two first-round picks, including one. That's what, the 13th pick in this year's draft. And next year, that could be a top half of the first round type pick. So to me, it's like a very, I know sauce gardener's a better player than Trent McDuffie, but I feel like the Jets got way more for sauce Gardner than the chiefs ended up getting here for Trent McDuffie.

I'm worried about the Colts and Chris Bowitt, if I'm going to be honest. I'm so worried. I'm not even worried. I just know this is going to go bad. Yeah. Yeah. So I had, I feel like speaking of Windows, like last, last year, they should have capitalized on that. Obviously, you can't control Daniel Jones getting injured, but like that might have been your best shot with this. situation. Yeah, I think it probably was. Now they're out two first round picks. Now they're transition tagging Daniel Jones. Now Alec Pierce is out there saying, you know, I'm going to test free agency. And if they possibly lose him, that's kind of a disastrous like run. And sauce did

nothing for them. Like the sauce trade was a total disaster of the trade. Yeah. It was a small, I guess small sample. If you're a Colts fan, you're saying he'll be good next year. But yeah, it certainly didn't make that much of a deal. You know what I forgot to ask you about with the DJ more thing is this Brandon Bean run. This is kind of a very interesting, most of the time NFL GMs are pretty boring. He's been on this run where last off season, he yells at the radio host for saying he needs a wide receiver. Then they have their season.

He's looking for a wide receiver at the trade deadline, can't find one. They lose in the playoffs. Sean McDermott's delivering little jabs in his press conferences like, oh, the Jaguars got Jacoby Myers. Would have been nice to have that. Then he wins wins the power strong. over Sean McDermann. He gets promoted after their season ends in disappointment.

His owner's coming out saying, I'm sticking up for Brandon Bean. He didn't want Keon Coleman. Then he does the Sean Payton thing where he's like, he's like, what did he say? He's like, oh, Sean Payton's not calling the place anymore.

He does it, the combine. And now he's, he's probably going to get ripped for this pick for DJ Moore. What a, what a calendar year for Brandon Bean? A little too much Brandon Bean. Like, Brandon, buddy, like we want to, like, less of you. You know what I mean? Like, if we're talking about you, that's a problem because things probably, if we're not focusing on the players or we're focused on you, things are not going the way they should in theory be going if everything's working according to plan.

Yeah, you're right. He should kind of go into hiding probably a little bit. You know who he needs to be more like Vince Carter? You know Vince Carter's a minority owner for the Buffalo Bills? Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. No, I had no idea.

You know how I know that? Because on Hard Knocks, the Buffalo Bills last season, they were just kind of like, they were showing everything. And the bills go to like this little college where they kind of like all are there for camp. St. John's, yeah, Fisher or something. Whatever it is. And they kind of like take over this college, which is probably like a huge inconvenience for the residents of that area in the college.

But like then they were going, I think it was like before a preseason game or something. And Vince Carter is there. And he's talking to someone. And he was, I don't remember exactly the context. feel like he was talking about how like Josh throws the ball or something. It was like something like technical on the offensive end and Vince Carter is walking someone through it. And I was looking.

I was like, is that Vince Carter? And it was. And then it said like at the bottom screen like Vince Carter, minority owner, Buffalo Bill's I was like, wait, what's happening now? I had no idea. Yeah. Is it not that hard to become a minority owner of a professional sports franchise? Like if you and I really wanted to do it, do you think we could.

do it? No, because, well, you may be one day. If these videos take off for you and you become the influencer, maybe, because I don't know if it's still the case, but there was a time that the Williams sisters were minority owners and the dolphins and Jimmy. I think that's still true. I think they are too, and I think Mark Anthony, the musician was. And I think Jimmy Buffett may have had some sort of stake in the dolphins. He had some sort of arrangement with his beer company and the dolphin. So, like, if you're famous, there's always going to be an ownership group that's like, yeah, we'll cut you off like a little 1% here, like a 0.5% ownership in exchange for,

we just want to hang out with you a little bit. Like, give us like $3 million or whatever. And we'll give you like something worth way more than that just so that you can hang out with us and we can be friends with you. But I don't know about commoners like you and I, if we ever will be. I feel like you've really helped me plan out the next maybe 20 to 25 years of my life. here. Hit on the videos, you know, take a lot of shots. Then they start blowing up. Then the money starts trickling in. And then I'm kind of hosting like it's like a bidding war for my services

to be a minority owner for your professional sports franchise. And I'm going to bring you along. I want you to know, I'm not going to forget about you. I appreciate that. Do you have your eyes on anyone or just your, you're for sale, anyone that becomes available? Yeah, I was just thinking about that. No, I don't I don't know that I would have a top five right now. now at this point. I mean, the Phillies would be nice because I do like going to Phillies games. Okay. I mean, but maybe you play it, you know, like Tom Brady where he just wants to get

into ownership and then the Raiders become an option and say, you know what? Like, let's go to Las Vegas. I can do the Raiders, I suppose, because when am I, if not, when am I getting a chance? Look, look at Alex Rodriguez. I mean, now we're all over the place in different sports. But Alex Rodriguez wanted to get into baseball ownership forever. And he just couldn't get with a group that ever, landed a team. He tried down here in Miami. Jeter outbid him. And then what does he do?

He ends up with the Minnesota Timberwolves. So now he's up there and like he seems to have a home in Minnesota. He's spending times there. Speaking of influencers, he'll do videos where it's like he seemingly is spending a lot of time in Minnesota. He goes to these games and now look, he's in a great spot. Team ownership. Minnesota Timberwolves, probably not on his top five when he was getting into the ownership game, but that's what became available to him. I think that's what we need to do. We need to just, whoever becomes available to us, like, we're down to contribute in any way possible. I was just going to say, if you are part of an ownership group and you would like our services, you know how to reach us here on the Ringer NFL show.

And you know what, Billy just mentioned Tom Brady. Great T's. We're going to take a break. We're going to come back because there are some things happening with the Las Vegas Raiders that we got to talk about. All right. We're back here on the Ringer NFL show. All right, another story in the NFL this week, Billy. This is from Michael Silver of the Athletic.

It says Max Crosby is ready to leave Las Vegas. And so before we get to the Raiders aspect of this, to your point earlier about this whole thing's a puzzle, the bears seem to be getting some buzz about, oh, they traded DJ Moore, they got the additional second round pick, they opened up some Capspe's. Could they potentially be the Max Crosby team?

That would be interesting to me. if they were able to land. Okay, he's closing his eyes. He's picturing the uniform. It's a cold day at Soldier Field or whatever their new stadium's going to be in Indiana, whatever that's called. And Max Crosby's out there saying,

I dreamt about playing in Indiana my entire career. And now I'm here playing for the Chicago Bears. Could you picture that, Billy, when you closed your eyes? I could picture him at Soldier Field. In Indiana, I'm having a little more trouble. That's a crime. I agree. How is this happening? How is this allowed? Like at what point is an adult going to step in and say, hey, we need to fix this situation. We cannot have the bears move to Indiana. We can't allow this, Sheel.

Well, you know, when that news broke, I had PTI on later that day, and Will Bond's just like, this isn't going to happen. He's like, they're not going to, this is all, you know, conjecture and politics and they're not moving to Indiana. So I'm like, all right, I hope he's right. And they end up just staying in Chicago. I think he's wrong, though. You do? You actually think they're going to go to Indiana? I can't see it, but I also, I guess, can see it. Follow the money. Yeah. I mean, if Chicago's not going to give them what they want and they find Indiana and it's not too far away,

you can talk yourself into it. But like, where's the loyalty? How are you taking this team out of Chicago? Imagine the Cubs leaving Chicago. You can't have that. during my Beat Rider days, that was one of my favorite trips was to Chicago because it's downtown. You can walk from various hotels downtown to the stadium. It's right on the water.

I thought it was awesome going to Soldier Field. I loved going to games there. So we'll see. I like Soldier Field too. I like how you still have the facade of the old stadium around it and you have it built inside. And then you know, you've upgraded the suites or whatever. But I mean, if it's going to be an outdoor stadium, if you're going to put a dome, it takes a way the charm of Soldier Field.

If you're going to be an outdoor stadium, keep it, keep it at Soldier Field. I don't like this. I don't like this one bit, Sheel. For someone who doesn't have, you know, a horse in this race, I still don't like this very much. Yeah, I'm with you. For size, me as someone who knows nothing about, you know,

politics and city planning and what goes into building a new stadium, I also don't like it because I liked walking from a hotel to Soldier Field. So let's see what happens with that throughout the rest of the off season. We'll see if Max Crosby ends up. on the Chicago Bears. The reports, Billy are that the Raiders still want two first and a player for Max Crosby, the Micah Parsons deal. But you know what? I read you the headline, and it was about Max Crosby, but then the most interesting part I thought about the reporting there from Michael Silver had nothing to do with Crosby and was more about Alex Guerrero, a name from our past

with Tom Brady. Did you catch that part of the article? did see that party. There's two interesting parts. One, for me, was Max Crosby related. The other was Alex Carrero. We could go back to Max after. The Alex Guerrero of it, how is this still a thing? Like, how is he

his whole thing was he was like Tom's like fitness guru, TB12, he got him in shape when he was in New England and then Tom kind of like maybe I don't want to use this in an accusatory

fashion, but maybe involved some of his, you know, teammates in this. Do we want to call it like a multi-level marketing situation where he brings in a couple players and they bring in a couple players? Who's to say? I don't know the exact arrangement. Did it seem like maybe there was some sort of potentially some might say, not me. I would never. Some might say some sort of scam going on there with Alex Guerrero. Again, not me. I would never say that. Might some say that? They might. They might say that that's what was going on with him, but he was his health guru. Tom, while he may still want to be healthy for, you know, his own life and longevity and possibly vanity purposes, there's no need, I don't think, for his dietitian or health guru to be

involved in the everyday dealings of the Las Vegas Raiders. And seemingly, according to this article, unless I completely misunderstood it, Tom's just hanging out in Florida in his very fancy house in Florida, and then he's flying around to do his stuff from Fox. I guess occasionally he'll pop in at Vegas and he'll do stuff, but Alex Guerrero seems to be his boots on the ground guy in Las Vegas and is firmly implanted with the Raiders. He's doing something with strength and conditioning, maybe, but he's also walking around like he owns the place. And he's telling people, hey, you might not have a job sometimes when it's like, whoa, like, I sell tickets here. Like, what do you have to do with me at all?

But he's just going around doing whatever he wants there and kind of rubbing some people the wrong way. And I can't believe he's still around. As you were describing it, I was like, this actually is an even crazier story and a bigger story that I think it's even getting headlines for. Like, this is outrageous. It sounds like what's happening. Let me read the details, Billy, for people who haven't read the articles. It says, like many players and coaches, Crosby was frustrated by the presence of Alex Guerrero, a staunch Brady ally

whose official title is Wellness Coordinator. That's another one you and I could get on that. I think we can be minority owners and I feel like now that we have that information from Chris Long that we got during the Super Bowl, I think we could be wellness coordinators too perhaps. You also, I feel like

if you throw in the word wellness, people are a little bit hesitant to push back on that in any way, right? Because wellness is this mental wellness? I don't want to question anyone's mental wellness. I'm sure this is something that he's doing that's very important. Is it health wellness? Like, again, I don't want to question that.

So as soon as you throw wellness in his title, I feel like that somewhat disarms a certain group of people who would normally say like, hey, we need to like, let's push back on this a little bit. It's like, well, I mean, Tom is a minority owner here. And, you know, it seems as though he's, Mark Davis is letting him do whatever he wants. And he's, while only owns a small portion of team,

Mark's like, hey, Tom, do whatever you want. Like Chip Kelly, yeah, we'll sign them for, you know, a ton of money and then fire him. And then when we all, we have to pay four coaches at the same time. Like, okay, Tom, if you want Alex Guerrero, yeah, like, whatever. At what point did Mark Davis stop caring? I guess when they got to Las Vegas, he's like, I won, like, we're good here. I'm just going to kind of ride this out and I'll sell eventually or I won't. But either way, like, I'm set now.

I don't have to worry about the Coliseum. I don't have to worry about the finances. Like, we're good. Yeah, he was like, I'm going to hand the keys over to Brady. And then to your point, Brady hands the keys over to Guerrero because it's his Guerrero, who regularly attends practices and meetings, purports to possess significant organizational power informing players of impending transactions and even indicating the staff members who don't follow his instructions that their jobs may be at risk.

It says Guerrero is perceived to have a direct pipeline to Brady who lives in Florida and serves as Fox's lead NFL analyst limiting his in-person presence. Suffice it to say that. there are trust issues permeating the Raiders training facility in Henderson, Nevada. Because I was thinking about this, Billy. Max Crosby lasted through, you know, Josh McDaniels and Antonio Pierce. And I then, and Bessatia, and I think he was there for Gruden still as well, like all these different regimes and the team's never really successful.

And what was, it was just consistent. Crosby's like, I want to be a Raider. I want to be here when we get good. And like Guerrero is the guy. It sounds like, maybe not just Guerrero. They asked Crosby to go home last year at the end of the year so they could tank. But it sounds like Guerrero is part of the reason where Crosby is now like, no, I'm good. I want to be out of here.

Have you read Guerrero's Wikipedia page? It's one of the wildest things I've ever seen. Can I read you one passage here? Please do. In 2005, Guerrero was sanctioned by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission for falsely presenting himself as a doctor and claiming to be able to cure cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, arthritis, and Parkinson's disease using a dietary supplement called Supreme Greens. He had made these claims in infomercials on the channel Spike TV and Lee TV.

So I was thinking what you were thinking. Like if I'm a Raiders player and it's like, oh, this guy Guerrero who's coming over is like threatening or saying I might get cut and then I go home and I'm like, I think I have. I've heard this guy's name before, you know, you tell your wife, hey, can you Google Alice Guerrero? And then this comes up. Like, how is this franchise supposed to compete with actually well-functioning franchises with like GMs and proper, you know, power structures?

Like, I always say NFL teams are not well-run organizations, but this is like a step beyond not being a well-run organization. So I have a question, I guess, about what the FTC sanctioned him for. Yeah. I feel like you shouldn't claim that you could cure any of those diseases with a supplement, especially if you can't, right? But much less cure all of those diseases. Like, if you cured any one of them, you would be heralded as, you know, like a hero to humanity.

Like, love our time. Yeah, the most important human of our time probably. Exactly right. Like, these are diseases that people have been aiming to cure forever. And like, this is a guy that is not just prolonging and improving quality of life for some patients that have them. He's cured them. And then he said, I've cured all of them with this one supplement. And you can buy it on Spike TV.

Like, that is a wild thing to claim and path to go down. But I guess if you're going to, if you're going to claim you can cure cancer, I guess why not also claim that you can cure MS, right? Because like, why not go off the deep? Why stop there? Is his thinking, I suppose. Can I say something that, so there's a one Max Crosby thing that I took away from this story, but also in talking this out with you and like the facts that were revealed in the story unrelated to Max Crosby, we were done dirty last season.

And I believe we were done dirty last season by ESPN, if I remember the timeline correctly. Wow. And what I'm saying and what I'm accusing them of doing us dirty on, do you remember the game that the Raiders, I believe, were playing in Monday night football. So I don't remember who the opponent was, but I think the Raiders were playing Monday night football. And the story of that game was they continued to show Tom Brady up in the coach's booth. Yes.

And he continued to have the headset on. And then that's really when last season people really picked up the steam and they were asking players on other teams like, well, hold on. Look, he's actively in there and he's coaching the guys and he has a headset on. and he's going in there and he's having these meetings with the other players. Is it fair? But we never saw it in person because he has the Fox game on Sundays. And because of the Raiders, most of the games that they were playing were on Sundays.

So we never saw him at an actual Raiders game as a minority owner. So on that Monday night game, we saw him as a Raiders minority owner. And he was in the coaching suite. He had the headset on. And we're like, whoa, this guy is like very hands-on and very involved. We had never considered it because we never saw it. but this article is completely removing that film and saying like, no, he's never actually there.

He's always just like in Florida. And Guerrero's the one that's really telling him what's going on. So we were kind of presented a false representation of Tom Brady's involvement, I think. I don't know about that because then there was Chip. I don't know if you remember this. I think it was Chip Kelly or Gino Smith or one of them was like, I talked to Tom Brady. multiple times a week to go over game planning and stuff.

So I actually don't think, I think he is involved. I think he's very involved. Get out there. Get out there, Tom. Yeah, I think he's pulling all the strings for what happens with the Raiders. I don't think he's in Vegas often. I mean, this lays it out. He's got different people.

He's got Guerrero handling business. He needs to handle in Vegas. He's making calls what he needs to call. The funniest part of that story you described is that Tom Brady was giving the Raiders some kind of edge. Like, he's a disaster in this. I mean, giving him an edge. He's got Guerrero out there, you know, making decisions on the ground.

And they look like a horribly run franchise, all due respect to the Las Vegas Raiders. Did you see in that article also was made reference? And I'm sure you probably knew this. But for those who were not familiar with it, where Chip Kelly was there and it was making reference to like, yeah, Chip Kelly a lot of times, like at halftime wouldn't even leave the coaching suite. He'd just stay there and he'd send his assistants to address the team and discuss the second. and half adjustments. He didn't want to go down, so he just stayed up there

in the suite the whole time. I'm sticking up for Chip Kelly here. Okay. Oh, okay. So half time is what, 15 minutes and he might want to get something to eat, you know? No. It's the NFL.

You don't get a lunch break. What are we doing? He at least has to go to the bathroom. I would imagine. Last thing you want is fourth quarter, you got to call a big third downplay, and all you're thinking about is, I got to hold this in.

I mean, he's not a young man. You know, that becomes harder with older Aiden. So maybe he's saying, by the time I get the elevator, go to the bathroom, wash my hands, and then get out, like, it would probably be easier. This is why we have these assistant coaches. They're probably in their 20s, early 30s. I can just tell them, hey, go tell Gino Smith, let's do more of this. Go tell Ashton Genti. We'll do more of this.

You know, next year when we have Ashton Jentzy at the Super Bowl, we should revisit this with him, I think. You know what I'm wondering, just in you talking now, why is it? it that we never see Vic Fangio just with like a plate of chips in front of him up in, you know, the suite, like the coaching suite, because they're up there. Like you can have a bottle of water. Why not a little snack here and there, you know, when your team doesn't have the ball or it's not your side on the field? Like, why not have a little snack? You mentioned the eating and I said, you know, there's no lunch break on the job, but, you know, you made a good point. Why not? Why not? Why can he be snacking on some cookies? Who cares? You know, the executives for the teams,

they share the same sort of meal area as the media. So during my, again, my beat writer days when I'm at a game, sometimes you're in line trying to get a cookie. And I vividly remember being, it was a cookie line. Me and Scott Bioli, you remember him? We're in line and there's a guy up there at the cookie table, like taking forever. Like he can't decide, does he want the chocolate chip? Does he want the macadamia?

Does he want the oatmeal raisin? Of course not. No one ever picks the oatmeal raisin first. But he's up there. in a long time. And Pioli looked at me. I look at him and we're like, what's the deal with this guy? So I don't think I've ever spoken to Scott Pioli. But ever since that day, I felt like we share a connection. So yeah, the executives are up there eating. I think the coaches maybe before the game sometimes they'll grab something. But once the game starts, you're right, you're probably right.

You're probably no lunch break. It's like we can get through three hours and eat afterwards. What did Pioli go with? Which cookie? Do you remember? I don't. I would, it's probably the chocolate chef, right? You don't want to overthink things. It's like we were saying with trading Trent McDuffie. You don't need to overthink things. You know what you like. You got something good. You don't need to bring mystery into the equation, I would say.

Can I tell you my favorite part of the story that we haven't gotten to yet? I mean, what better way to finish the podcast than this? Yeah, please. Max Crosby just disregarded red jerseys and was hitting quarterbacks in practice. And the coaches didn't do anything about it. Like, Max wants to hit the quarterback. He's going to hit the quarterback. Yeah, that was funny.

That was part of the story because what happens is if somebody who is not of Max Crosby, stature and you have a star quarterback, if they get even close to them, never will a coach yell louder or be more irate than when like the guy who's maybe on the fringe to make the roster all of a sudden gets in the way your star quarterback and he kind of stumbles a little bit, they're just like, all right, you're out of here. Get this guy off my field. Practice squad or you're cut entirely. What are you doing hitting the quarterback or touching the quarterback?

and Max just had coach after coach after coach that just tolerated him going through and making contact with the quarterback in the red jersey. Something to keep an aisle and he can't be doing that to Caleb Williams. I don't think Ben Johnson would stand for that. But maybe he would.

Maybe he'd say it's, you know. Ben seems crazy if we're going to be honest with you. If we're not going to mince words, yeah, Ben seems a little bit, you know, in a great way. In a very entertaining way. I agree with you. All right.

That was great. I mean, we had other little stuff we can get to, we know we got more podcast to fill this off season. We don't need to hit on everything now. It's a very newsy time right now in the NFL. So we could be back at any moment. Maybe there's an AJ Brown trade. Maybe there's a trade we're not even thinking of right now.

And then, of course, everything gets started. Next week, Monday is the start of the negotiating period. We're going to be doing a bunch of content on the ringer NFL show next week. And of course, as Billy alluded to, maybe you'll see me making a smooth. on the Ringer NFL show, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, who knows? Who knows?

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