The Ringer NFL Show - Fantasy Matches Made in Heaven (Draft Edition!) | The Dantasy Football Podcast

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

We take a look at the upcoming NFL draft through a fantasy lens, examining the biggest skill-position names on the board and predicting where they will get drafted, where they should get drafted, and which destination would be the unlikeliest. Host: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Fantasy football podcast on the Ringer NFL show, on the Ringer podcast network. My name is Satan. No, I'm just kidding. My name is Danny hyphen. I'm joined as always by my co-host and my co-danny. The hero we need the analyst deserves. the dark knight himself, the dark prince, Danny Kelly. How are you doing, D.K.?

I was wondering where that was going really awesome. Your metal draft has already been spread across the United States, D.K. If anyone has not seen it, please check it out. It is Danny Kelly Times metal. I don't even know how to describe it, but there's a lot of satanic ritual to describe where prospects will be drafted. Yeah. It's a crossover video.

It makes absolutely nice. no sense. Which is why it's great. It's NFL draft content plus Monster Show commercials or Monster Truck commercials plus the Matrix plus a few other things like Leon the Professional.

I'm getting a lot of that. It was kind of more meant to be like The Matrix, I think, but it ended up looking like Leon the Professional. This would only happen week five of quarantine. The two Ringer Metal Drafts with Danny Kelly are my two favorite ringer videos that exist. possibly just my two favorite videos that exist,

period, including movies. Can we discuss the outfit, the beanie, the shirt? Whose idea was that? How did that come together? That was all Corey. And I laud him for that because I'm getting a lot of really good feedback on Twitter about that. So yeah, thanks. Shout to Corey for that.

Yeah, right around sometime when you were, when Chris was like, the Cradigle steps of Hades. I was like, this is just, you know, it's art. It's amazing. It's transcendent. My favorite part was when he said the Browns are going to be dog shit again. I don't know why. It's amazing.

I was dying. Everyone, everyone please check that out. It is unbelievable. The metal draft with Danny Kelly. Craig, how are you doing? Shouts to Chris Ryan,

first of all. Because he was the one that did all the monster truck overdub or whatever. So it was freaking hilarious. Anyways. I'd love to know what Chris Ryan's wife thought when he was just like in the other room.

With the neighbors? It's Bill Zimbabob. I don't know what the neighbors must think of them. I'm doing good though. You know, thanks for asking. I'm well. Great. I have no idea to transition from that. But we are eight days from the NFL draft. I can't count. But it's next Thursday. Today we're going to take a look through the draft through fantasy lens. The dream scenarios, but Goldilocks. Goldilocks, was she sleeping the whole time? Or I don't remember that story?

I had to Google it. I shouldn't remember the story. We're doing Goldilocks. So we're going to talk about landing spots, but D.K. is going to do the little bear, the one that he's. ate too much porridge. Also, porridge is like oatmeal, right? Yeah. Anyway, you're going to do the realistic ones. Craig's going to do the completely outlandish landing spots for each player, and I'm going to do the middle ground ones. Because, you know, as we all know, I'm the level-headed middle person of this podcast. So I don't know how we settled on that. Who came up with this rubric? But yeah, I don't know. Because I know the least, so I might as well just do a wild card. Sometimes that's beneficial, honestly, because sometimes teams just don't seem to know a lot either. So, anyway. Look, life is hard, man. Who knows?

Anyway, we're going to go through. We're going to go play by player, and we're going to give where we might go in the draft. So starting off, let's just get right into it. Joe Burrow, D.K. Yeah. What is the realistic landing spot for Joe Burrow from a fantasy lens that would be awesome? Yeah, I mean, so obviously he's going to be a bangle.

He's going to be the first overall pick. It's at this point as much of a foregone conclusion as any top pick, I think overall in recent memory. I don't see a Baker Mayfield situation developing over the next week where, you know, thought Donald was going to be the number one pick until about three or four days before the draft and then all of a sudden it was Baker Mayfield. I don't see that happening. I think Burrough is the guy. So and honestly, I don't mind the fit for him in terms of like from a fantasy lens going

forward next year. I think Burrow does have a chance to be, you know, certainly in Dynasty is a huge, huge asset. But in redraft too, I think he could be kind of a lower end guy to maybe pick up in the late rounds. What he did last year in the LSU offense. was just unprecedented. I mean, it was legitimately the best single season passing performance from a college quarterback ever. 60 touchdowns, six interceptions. He added like five touchdowns on the ground.

He's just like freakishly good for LSU. Obviously, he's going to have a big jump up to the NFL in competition and all that. He's going to have to learn the new offense. All that stuff comes into play. But I do think the surrounding cast around him, AJ Green, is coming back.

So that gives him an aging, true number one guy. Tyler Boyd could be like the Justin Jefferson for him in this offense, the slot receiver who he relies on in the short and intermediate area. John Ross is still an X factor. Obviously, he hasn't been able to stay healthy, but he adds that speed element on the outside. Jill Mixon, very good back. He can be a pass catcher for them in that offense. And crucially, they're going to get Jonah Williams back, who is their top pick last year, one of my favorite prospects in last year's draft, the left tackle Jonah Williams. So put it all together. And I mean, the Bengals could be overall as

offense a fantasy factor going forward like bigger fantasy factor than i think people are sort of looking at them like yeah burroughs got to go to the bengals but on the off chance somehow that he's not the only one that really makes sense is the dolphins trading up uh they have picks they have the fifth pick 18th 26 pick they also have 39 and 56 in the second round she they could you know pick three or four of those they could send them to the bengals and maybe trade up for him that would be cool in theory i feel silly even talking about it because it's not going to happen so that's my semi-realistic, but honestly, we don't even need to spend so much time here because he's going to go to Cincinnati. So, Craig, anything out of left field?

I don't even. Left field's not even far enough. But what do you got? Packers, trade Aaron Rogers to the Bengals for the first pick, who says no? Oh, that's good. D.K. Aaron Rogers are Joe Burrow. Oh, man.

That's a very loaded question. We've pissed off so many people from so many different parts of America. It's obvious that really, like, if you were the Bengals, you're, it's, it's shoe in. you take Burrow? Yeah, you're not going to trade the top overall pick for like a 35 plus year old quarterback. Packers fans are literally like losing their minds. You get four years of arguably like a top five quarterback ever. Yeah, 35 to 39. I don't know. Five years of them of the, of maybe the best quarterback ever. This ignores the fact that his production has been declining, uh, gradually over the last few years. He's also 36, not 35. So, how old are you, D.K.?

are you 36? Yeah, but I'm not a professional athlete, Annie. She said there was such derision. I was shocked. He's 36. Actually, I'm 37 for the record. Oh, it's because you look down on like the kids, you know, he's ungrateful, that generation. What's the hit rate on these QBs?

Like, 50% of them work? Like, less? 30% of them work? I think draft picks are overvalued and quarterbacks who are already good or more important. Who cares if they're a little older? You're really saying that they should trade for a 36 year, the top pick for a 36-year-old quarterback. The best 36-year-old ever.

You ever heard of Tom Brady? I love this already. Okay, next one. Tua from Bama. Okay, what's the realistic spot for Tua? My realistic one that I think actually makes a lot of sense for fantasy is the Chargers. I think right now that's who is the highest on him based on all the rumors. Michael Lombardi actually noted on his podcast recently and then a few other, I guess,

analysts have chimed in that a lot of teams or a few teams at least have flunked to his medical checks so he is a massive wildcard in the first round we don't really know exactly how high he's going to go i know that sort of the consensus now danna jeremiah dame brugler um multiple other people have all had justin herbert actually going in front of tua in a lot of their mock drafts recently so um to me i'm i'm looking at kind of reading all the tea leaves i think the chargers are the team for tua if that means they'd pick them at six or trade up to number three and get him there, I don't know. But I think that pairing makes a lot of sense.

And then for fantasy, I like it. I like the pairing. I think that you can drop him into a ready-made offense that already has Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Austin Eckler, Hunter Henry. You do worry about the offensive line a little bit, but they did add a left tackle and Balaga. So, you know, the plate is sort of set for him.

The table is sort of set for him to go in there and produce early on. Tyra Taylor is the, incumbent, he could maybe start for half the season or whatever and then have Tua take over or whatever. But I think that landing spot makes sense for him and for fantasy purposes. I'm completely throwing you on the spot and this is not fair, but you're the GM of the Chargers. Your medical staff says that Tua is not only perfectly healthy, him and Joe Borough are equally healthy. Do you want Joe Burrow or Tua as your quarterback? Yeah, I've been asked this question quite a few

times lately. I still lean Burrow just slightly, but it's a razor's margin. Halfway through the season, I was like, man, I like Tua a lot. But what Burrow did over the second half of the season was absolutely incredible, so impressive. He showed just like that he could play with ice in his veins. Incredible, incredible production against some of the top defenses in college football. He did it over and over on the biggest stage in front of like, you know, in the biggest moments. So I would give Burrow the slight edge. And he's a little bit taller, not that that necessarily means anything in the NFL these days.

but there are other things to go with Tua. That's where we just went. I mean, literally, we're having to nitpick at this point. I love Tua. I'm a huge, huge Tua fan. Here's why I ask, I think the most fun place in real life and fantasy that Tua could go is the Carolina Panthers. Now, I know that sounds nuts, but it's the Joe Brady, who was the, I was going to say, offensive coordinator, passing game coordinator. He was the conductor of the symphony that was the LSU offense last year.

Now he's in Carolina with Matt Ruh, who was the coach at Baylor. I think that Tua running the LSU offense after BAM and LSU were going against each other. Two are then being the Joe Burrow and Carolina would be amazing. Now, I know what you're thinking is, didn't they just sign Teddy Bridgewater? Okay, so what? Who cares? So worst case scenario, you have two good quarterbacks. What's the problem there?

It's Tua, you don't have to rush him back to starting week one if you're worried about his health. And if Teddy Bridgewater and two are healthy, then that sounds like a really great problem. I don't really understand why you wouldn't. And also, Tua is such a higher upside guy than Teddy. I love Teddy, but Tua with Christian McCaffrey, DJ Moore, Robbie Anderson, Curtis Samuel. That is an absurdly fast team. And Tua, I mean, Tua's numbers in college obviously are literally legendary. They're just basically the best that anyone's done on a per pass per game rate.

It's just never been done. I just think Tua in the borough spot of Joe Brady's system for Carolina would be so cool. Yeah. And I think this isn't sound crazy to me at all, actually. I think this is a very, you know, you made a strong case. I think the Panthers would be a really fun landing spot for him. And two, I think, is a great fit for that offense. He's a very fast processor.

That's one of the things that kind of separates him from the crowd is like how quickly he can process on RPO's and things like that. You know, the big part of their offense was doing like five-man protections and just getting rid of the ball and finding the open guy early on in the dropback and all that. So I think he would fit. The Panthers have the seventh pick. It's not like he's going to, you know, some huge slide if he filled with the seventh pick. And I also, again, Matt Ruh was given a seven. seven-year contract. So thinking long-term isn't mind-blowing to me. Craig, what's out of left field for where Tua could go? Okay, so this is what I think is going to happen. Not what's going to

happen, but what definitely should happen. Okay, so Tua's going to the Pats, but first he's going to the Texans. So the Texans trade up to get Tua via whatever means necessary. They are demanded to get Tua. And the Patriots then draft Jerry Judy or Henry Ruggs or whatever great receiver with their 23rd pick. Then the Texans trade Deshawn Watson to the Pats for one year in exchange for Jerry Judy, Deshaun Watson back, and Stefan Gilmore in 2021. So they're just renting Deshaun Watson for a year. That way, Belichick can win a title without Brady in 2020. And the following year, they swap to a ghost to the Pats. So Belichick gets a new guy to work with. And then Gilmore, Deshawn, Jerry Judy, back on the Texans for 2021. And they

can start. Who says no? I mean, I say, I'm going to say move on. because I don't know what just happened. That's pretty cool, right? Two arrests for a year and doesn't play in the Texans. The Texans just take a down year because they straighted Deshawn Watson, or DeAndre Hoppkins anyway, they're going to suck. The Pats get Deshawn for one year. Why don't we do rent a player like baseball does?

How like Araldis Chapman will just hop from team to team or John Lester went to the A's for six months. Send Watson to the Pats. Let's see if you can win a ring and then send him back the next year. I want to be mad at you, Craig. I don't know why we can't do rent-up players in the NFL like we can in the MLB. in reality, nothing that Bill O'Brien would do in any scenario would surprise me anymore.

Wouldn't you give up Deshawn for one year in exchange for Deshawn back the next year with Stefan Gilmore and Jerry Judy? I didn't even follow that, actually. Man, I feel like Craig is like Matthew McConae and True Detective. It's like he's got the cork board with like all the arrows and all the people, like Charlie and it's always sunny. He's just got everything. Okay. Next quarterback, D.K.

Jalen Hertz from Oklahoma. I mean, borderline, Heisman guy halfway through the season. one of the craziest college crews ever, where do you think you can go? I like him on the Patriots. Speaking of the Patriots, I think, so there's multiple teams. I think that would make a lot of sense from long term, come in as like a backup and eventually take over the job. However, we're talking about fantasy football this season. I think there's just very few teams that have open quarterback competitions.

I think the Patriots are one of those teams. I don't know if they're necessarily sold on Jared Stidham or Brian Hoyer or whatever. I still think that you can get him in there. He could potentially be an early contributor, early starter for the Patriots, you know, obviously get him in there, have him be Josh McDaniel's new Tim Tebow,

you know, design an offense around him where you can use his arm, you can use his legs. Did you just compare Jalen to Tim Tebow? He's better passer than Tim Tebow. Oh, I know. Actually, Lance Zerling from NFL.com has Tebow as his comp. And I think it's not necessarily, it's not meant to be like an insult. It's meant to be like the guy is very, very dynamic with his arm.

But he does struggle in the face of pressure sometimes. He does bail from the pocket. Like you'd have to have a little bit of an unconventional offense probably to have him come in and be your starter early on. So I think, you know, I'm definitely not looking at it like I'm making that as a negative comp or whatever. It's just skill set style. What did people think about Tebow's arm coming out of college? Was that like a huge knock or did they think he was a good passer?

No, I think it was a knock. It was a knock. Yeah, I don't think anyone thought he was a good passer. Well, that's not true. I think there was one person, Josh McDaniels, who thought he was a good pastor. Took him in the first round.

That's a good point. Tough, tough beat for Josh. I went for Jalen Hertz. I went with the Bears because I feel like he's not going to be the first rounder. I mean,

it could be, but I just, I mean, Dek is serious question. Yeah. What can Mitchell Trubisky do that Jalen Hertz cannot do? Because if they,

I know they, for Nick Foles, and Nick Foles maybe started, but like, why not take Hertz and either let him work behind Foles for a little bit? Because Foles, you know, I don't think he's a long-term option. He feels like he's a short-term option. But what can Jalen Hertz do that Trubisky cannot? Or sorry, what can Trubisky do that Jailen-Hertz cannot? Oh, man. I mean, honestly, you know, after seeing Trubisky for the last few years, nothing really comes to mind. I think Hertz has an edge in athleticism and is what he's able to do in the run game. There's some similarity. there in the sense that like hurts tends to hold on to the ball a little bit too long i think

travisky does that um but hurts was he was way more accurate this last season i think that shows some improvement in that area that teams will probably be like maybe we can develop that that part of his game and smooth out some of the inaccuracy that he had earlier in his career um so i don't know i'm like i like hurts a lot i'm maybe a little bit higher on him than maybe the NFL is but we're going to find out i think there's there's actually some first round of for Jalen Hertz right now. Like I think Mel Kiper was was saying that the other day that don't be too surprised if Jalen Hertz ends up being a guy that they trade up into the back of the first round

to grab some team, you know, wants to sort of sit him and develop him and grab him there in the last few picks of the first round. So you can get that 50 year option. If there's a, if there's a steady role, it's that the quarterbacks always go higher than we think almost always. And it's pretty safe every year, including Jordan Love this year. Craig out of left field. What do you think about Jillen Hertz?

would be a fun place from the land for fantasy. Yeah, I mean, I didn't really know if I had something too out of left field. I was just thinking maybe the Steelers with like the 49th pick. I know that's their first pick. I mean, Ben or Authusberger is quietly 38. Yeah. So he's got four years left, Craig? Or what? Not Ben. Ben's like made a glass now. Yeah.

But I wanted to kind of defer to D.K. here about like what other fun, if you think that maybe he could go to the Packers, maybe the Steelers, like what would be a good fit for him? Are we doing out of like insanity here or are we going back to real world? How do you do insanity for a quarterback? I don't know, maybe do like a rental year with Deschuan Watson going to the Patriots or something? I mean, with a guy like Tua, who's like a highly-touted prospect,

I feel like you can go insane. But like, people don't even really think Jalen Hertz is good. So it's hard for me to go wildcard here. I don't really know what I could do. I mean, I think you, the wild card thing you could have done, Craig, it said send him to the Chiefs, turn him into like a Taysome Hill playmaker that they bring on. Oh.

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Running backs. Starting with Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin DK. Where do you, I mean, Jonathan Taylor either number one or one of the top running backs in this class, certainly in the top tier. What do you think is a realistic place from where he would dominate in fantasy? I think it would be really fun to see him on the Colts. I think if you put him behind that offensive line, I think first round or second round? Early second. I don't think the Colts have

a first round because they just traded. Yeah, they just traded their pick to the 49ers. So you think second because they got the 35 pick from the Washington. Yeah. So they'd have to take him there or I guess they could maybe try and gamble and take him a little bit later. He might fall. Who knows. But I think just if you put him behind that offensive line, I think you'd be able to eat behind. that line in neutral situations last year so within with the score within eight points the first three quarters and first and second down only india was the third run heaviest team in the NFL per sharp football stat so obviously they're very much you know focused on balance and having a run game having a physical run game obviously marlin mac is there right now and he's been

fine for them but he is a former fourth round pick he's been hurt he's going into last year of his deal there's not a huge reason that they would pass up a guy like a elite talent like Taylor, specifically just to keep Mac. I don't think that's something that they're necessarily looking. It's more if they do it's because the cults are probably like Chris Ballard, the GM is in the group of GMs who probably would be less likely to take a running back in the first. Like there's certainly some older school guys that would and some that wouldn't.

So it's more that than Marlon Mac specifically, right? Right. You know, so I think just, I think he would be a good fit in that offense in the run game. A huge question mark around Taylor right now is his past. catching ability. I saw Evan Silva mentioned this over. I'd establish the run, actually.

Taylor dropped eight of 50 catchable targets in his college career, and he only had 50 targets in his college career, so he was not used in the run game or in the passing game very often. But that said, you know, with Phil Rivers, that quarterback in Indy now, Rivers has always relied on easy dumpoffs. He's so, he's one of the most court, like one of the quarterbacks most willing to take a check down and not look at it like a negative. And I think that's something that Taylor could handle.

It's not like he's got complete rocks for hands. I think he can handle easy checkdowns and a little dump-offs and swing pass and things like that. If Leonard Fournett can be near Christian McCaffrey in targets for the second half of the season last year, then I think John Taylor can catch him passes. Yeah, that's a perfect example. So that's kind of why I was thinking that the Colts would be a really nice, a realistic spot for him. That is beautiful. I just, this is kind of a cop out, but I was like, semi-realistic, I kind of put him with the Chiefs. I think, I mean,

look, Chris Ballard, we came from Kansas City, so, you know, if I'm saying maybe the Colts might not pick him because he's a running back, I don't know if the Chiefs would either, but Chiefs are about speed.

They just won the Super Bowl because they've collected speed. Jonathan Taylor, track athlete, 4-4 speed guy. The Chiefs do nothing but collect 4-4 speed guys. The Legion is Zoom.

And, I mean, whether it's the 32 pick from the first round or they've got the 63rd pick. They should have the Niners pick, ironically, in the second round. I feel like them taking him might not make sense.

before, but it's one of those things where if they pulled the, like, if they did it at the 30 second piculently, oh my God, that makes so much sense. Like they're just going to keep adding speed until they already big advantage of speed. So that would be nuts if they added him under that team. He would be so much fun in that offense too because they just

do, they spread it everything out. You know, they'd give him a lot of good run lanes. I feel like he'd be able to hit a lot of home runs in that offense. We're talking about football. Oh, ha ha. Good one. I'm a little rusty.

Craig, left field, save me. The Ravens, I think it'd be, I like when teams just lean even more into what they're good at, and I think the Ravens should just run the ball twice as much, and they just draft Jonathan Taylor, and it's just Jonathan Taylor becomes the next Mark Ingram and Lamar Jackson, and then that's all they do.

What do you mean, it becomes the next Mark Ingram? What are you talking about? Mark, I mean, Mark Ingram, very solid career. Yeah. And he's 30, yeah. Is that that that crazy? Sorry, is his ceiling, is that way too low for Jonathan Taylor? I don't know, I'm asking you.

I just maybe I haven't given much, thought about Mark Ingram's legacy here. Is that a compliment? I don't even know what that means the next Mark Enger. I think it's not that it's not a terrible comp for him. I mean, Ingram has been very tough, very durable. Those are very, like,

those are two things that you'd say about Taylor. Like he, I don't think he missed a game at Wisconsin. He's just like a bell cow. He was the bell cow of all bell cows at Wisconsin. So yeah, I mean, I think it makes a lot of sense. He's a good teammate. I don't know enough about Taylor to say that, but seems like a good guy.

Seems like a good fella. So I'm at the combine. He seemed like a good guy. He's a very good football player. I know that. So I don't think that, yeah, Ingram Comp is not like an insult or anything. That's what you get for watching one five-minute tape of him.

There you go. DeAndre Swift from Georgia. D.K. What's the spot for him? I like him with the Buccaneers. And, you know, it's not necessarily that I want to completely eliminate Ronald Jones from the football field because I have.

have him in the dynasty league and I don't want that to happen but but other than that you want to completely eliminate him from the football field is that I just think so swift is a very good pass catcher Bruce Ariens has talked about wanting to add a pass catching back in the draft um Swift is an outstanding in that area he's also very good like in between the tackles he could he could be a three down guy however it's sort of the big knock on him if there is a big knock on him because he's a really well-rounded running back is that he hasn't had a ton of volume in that georgia offense I think he averaged like 15 carries a game or something like that. You know, he rarely got over 20 carries.

So get him into an offense with Bruce Ariens' offense, which has done a good job of incorporating running backs into the passing game. And you got Tom Brady there. Basically, I think Swift could turn into a souped up version of James White. And I think that would be really, really fun for fantasy early on. Wait, Tom Brady's in Tampa Bay? It's Tompa. Tampa?

I didn't hear anything about this. It's the most, it's the most bizarre thing. Danny, when you asked me that, like, I legitimately had to be like, wait, is he? Wait, did I just, like, completely, like, have a, like, a fever dream and think that up in my, like, I had no idea if I was right or not. That would be the best April Fool's, prank, if we just discovered September that that never happened and then actually he was still in the Patriots roster and nobody

double-checked. That's incredible. All right. I just, my realistic spot, semi-realistic spot for DeAndre Swift to Tennessee, which sounds crazy, but in reality, again, I just don't see DeAndre Swift as a feature back. Maybe I'm an idiot and he's going to be the first running back drafted. But if he didn't do it at Georgia, I'm just skeptical of whether he can do it in the NFL. And I think that he actually would be perfect complimenting Derek Henry, who has been franchise tagged and maybe will sign a long-term deal.

Maybe will not with Tennessee. And I just see him, Swift as like the perfect balance, especially because, you know, they got rid of deal. They don't really have anyone behind Derek Henry anymore. So I just think it makes sense there. But we'll see if they actually would invest a high. pick and Henry and franchise, or high pick in Henry's backup and also franchise Henry. Craig. Crazy one for DeAndre Swift.

Blow our minds. High fits, you kind of killed the buzz of my pick because you said Jonathan Taylor to the to the Chiefs, but I was thinking of DeAndre Swift to the Chiefs because one, you know, everything we talked about Damien Williams was that like if he had more than 13 carries, he sucked or he like never did that before. So I thought like, why not just get the next best guy who does that? You can put them together. so you'd have DeAndre Swift and Damien Williams playing with the Chiefs.

Swift also in my seven minutes of tape watching him, kind of reminded me as Shady McCoy, which is what the Chiefs tried to do and it didn't work. So I thought, let's get the young one in and see if it can work. And just like I said with the Ravens, just like lean into what you have, speed and dynamic playmaking. I think a lot of people have connected Swift to the Chiefs, and it makes a lot of sense,

just put him in that Andy Reed offense where, yeah, you're going to use him between the tackles too, but you're also going to use him as a receiver. that's a big, big part of his game, honestly. And so Swift is going to be a big PPR guy. And if he lands with the Chiefs, he's going to be a really high startup, or redraft pick this year, I think.

Yeah, you got to give Mahomes weapons. You know, you're not going to give Dominic Torretto a Toyota pickup truck to drive. Hell no. Give him a Ferrari. What do you think he would do with the Toyota pickup truck? Don Torretto? He probably bench press it.

That's my guess. I can't look at it. of those movies the same way ever since I read that Wall Street Journal story where they have to get punched equally. You ever see that? Oh, who? You're talking about the Rock and Vin Diesel? No, I'm talking about Yeah, no, I'm talking about the Rock. Yeah, so it's like if the Rock and Vin Diesel are in a fight scene and someone gets thrown through

a pane of glass, the other one also gets thrown through a pain of glass. Contractually, they have to. Well, they like publicly do not like each other. Yeah, like Jason's day the same thing. Yeah, it needs to be equal. So like, if someone like gets need in the gut the other person does too. And it has, the Vindiesel's sister is on set,

making sure it's equal. That's what it's like with you two. You guys have to have the same amount of air time on each part. Yeah, if anyone breaks down the audio, we each speak for exactly 50% of the time. That's like Craig's main role. Danny Hyphitz isn't going to fucking upstage me, man. I want to throw him through glass. Okay, anyway.

Same. Okay, J.K. Dobbins. Yeah. Where's it going to go, D.K. So I think he's got a realistic shot to go to the dolphins. And I think it would be a great fit for him. They reportedly love this. guy per the Miami heralds Barry Jackson this was a while this was he tweeted this out I think

like a month ago or something um but the dolphins are so high on daubbins that they moved up his 30 visit from mid-April to March 13th in case the league eliminates 30 visits which they obviously did because of the coronavirus um so they are apparently really really high on daubbins there's basically no competition in miami for him obviously they signed jordan howard you know you're just erasing patrick laird like that like the Dolphins' ferocious Deptron a running back could compete with J.K. Dobbins. Let me

know. Are there any, are there any Kalin Belage truthers out there still? Matthew Barry was. I think just Matthew Berry. Yeah, but I think he's pretty much I think he's long abandoned that ship. Yeah, I would assume so. It's like a go ship. It's just float. It's Jordan Howard, Kalin Blage,

Samajee, P. Rine. Oh, they got rid of, no, Patrick Laird still there. He's leading the ship. Pryin? Shemage? Oh, wow. But yeah, it's Kalin Balaj, Patrick Laird and Jordan Howard. So Jacob Dobbins unseating all of them. Well, I think it would probably be Dobbins and Howard as the two guys there. And Howard, to me,

felt like more of like a hedge in case the draft didn't really fall their way. And they didn't get a running back that they really like. That's like fantasy too. Yeah, I think if Dobbins goes to the dolphins, he'd be their early down like Belkow. Or at least like he'd get a pretty big volume, pretty big amount of volume. So we remember last year, do you remember who led the dolphins in rushing last year?

Ryan Fitzpatrick. Yeah. Bang! Wow. So I kind of gave it away there, but, but yeah, so they really need a running back. I don't know if it, it doesn't make sense for me personally if I was the GM of that team to draft running back in the first round. But they do have three first rounders, a couple second rounders. So look at those second round.

Did they have two second rounders? Danny, is that what you said? They at least have, I know that they have two seconds. It's stupid. They have, they have, they have a good amount of ammo. And I think, look at the. one of those second rounders for them. And I think Dobbins realistically has a good chance to land with them.

They have eight first or second rounders over the next two years. Nice. You know. I also love that Fitzpatrick led them rushing because all of his runs just end with him throwing his up. Hello. Oh, hi, dad. No, it's okay. Yeah.

All right. Thanks, dad. Nice. Keeping that. Leave it in. Leave it in. Oh, that's great stuff. What's your dad up to?

I almost brought him in. I almost did it. Is this Emma's son or is that your mom's mom? No, Emma is my mom's mom. Okay, that's right. All right. D.H., where is J.K. going to go? My realistic spot for J.K. Dobbins is, or semi-realistic spot for J.K. Dobbins is Pittsburgh. I don't know if this is going to happen, but I also could see it because James Connor is in a contract year. They don't have anyone proven behind him. And Jim, Kevin Calvert, Calbert has just not really

been super reassuring that they're gonna resign James Connor if he doesn't have a great season he said with James we are worried about 2020 and again our point was James because he was injured he disappointed him as it disappointed us and I just I wouldn't be shocked

if they took JK Dobbins in the second round and he would be a huge huge role in that offense if it happened and I think that that's the best I saw from in the second round where I could at least talk myself into it. Obviously, if they already traded their first round pick for Mika Fitzpatrick, you probably don't want to spend your next pick on a running back because they don't pick again until like

after 100 overall. But I also could see it. Craig, you're the Steelers fan. What do you think? I don't know. I think I'd rather them go in a different direction. But sure, I mean, it would make it a funner season, but I don't know if it's actually the smartest pick. Right. All right. Wise guy. What's the smartest pick? So the opposite of a smart pick, the Cowboys. They go dual buck-eye wishbone formation, 75% of the place. Yeah, we're just doing Zeke and JK. They each get like 20 carries a game and we turn Dak into like Super Tebow and he just throws 14 times all play action. And they just house people like Georgia textile.

I'm legitimately intrigued. I like it. That'd be cool, right? You had my curiosity, but now you have my attention. All right. Receivers. It's game time now. DK, CD Lamb, Oklahoma.

Yeah. I feel like, honestly, with all these receivers, there's so many fun landing spots and realistic landing spots because there's so many good receivers in this class. But I think the realistic fun option for lamb, because the most realistic options are the Jets right now and the Raiders. But I think it would be more fun and more fantasy relevant if you landed with the Eagles who have,

I believe, the 21st or something in the 20s. So I don't know if he's going to fall that far But if he does the Eagles could scoop him up The Eagles currently have two their two top receivers right now Are both over 30 years old. Alshan Jeffrey and Sean Jackson JJ Arsaga Whiteside just hasn't panned out I don't know if he's gonna

We need to get Carson Wentz like a stud playmaker And I think that lamb could be that guy early on in his career And again ideally you want these receivers The top guys to get paired with really good quarterbacks For a long time because then they're going to turn into long term like top tier receivers and I think Wence could be that guy at least certainly among the team is picking early in the round so I think that would be kind of the ideal landing spot for him that would be cool I think the Eagles would be an awesome fit I'm skipping around here I also give someone

of the Eagles but it wasn't Cidia Lamb I gave Henry Ruggs to the Eagles because I just saw him in Deshawn Jackson like two speed guys I was thinking yeah yeah the Eagles need speed and Sean Jackson has been so hard to keep on the field when he's healthy but worst case DeShon's healthy. You have two of the fastest guys in league together. Worst case, the Eagles have replaced that speed element. That has been the absolute key to them being a dynamic offense and keeping Zertr...

Not Zerrits, Ertz. And Dallas Goddard effective over the middle of those crossing rounds and stuff. Would love Henry Ruggs and the Eagles. Yeah. Who did you give Lamb? Who did you give Lamb to? Arizona. I mean, yeah. Because here's the thing, man. You're pro-comp. Everyone's pro-crop for CD Lamb is DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah.

Why not give... pair C.D. Lamb with DeAndre Hopkins. He also played with Kyler Murray, went to Oklahoma, Arizona's receiving Corby, Larry Fitz, Christian Kirk's, it would be unbelievable. I mean, it does make sense for them in a fun, fantasy relevant type perspective. They do need other things in their offense, but I think you could make an argument. You could make an argument for it, honestly, because

you know, obviously Cliff Kingsbury wants to run like wide open schemes. You need talent at the receiver position in theory to do it at a high level in the NFL. If they're going to try and run like 60, 70 plays and be really, really pass heavy and spread out and everything, like, yeah, get another really good receiver who's going to break a lot of tackles. That's kind of the thing with Lamb is he breaks an incredible amount of tackles and picks up yards after the catch. So, I mean, yeah, that would be a lot, a lot of fun, especially for fantasy. Jerry Judy from Bama, who you have him as your second best receiver in this class. think Judy's the best receiver in this class, so I'm curious.

And that's totally fair. What do you think is the most realistic, excellent landing spot for him? So this kind of goes a little bit against what I just said about pairing top-tier receivers with really good quarterbacks. And I know everyone likes to make fun of Derek Carr and for a good reason, but Judy actually does seem like a good fit for John Gruden's offense. It's kind of a West Coast timing, precision-based offense. Carr is very much known for sort of working the mid, the short and middle.

area of the field. That's where Judy can absolutely dominate. He is good deep too, but he's a very, very good route runner who separates. And most importantly, there's volume to be had in that offense. If you look at Frickin Hunter Renfro led the team in catches for the Raiders

last season with 49. He had 605 yards before touchdowns. I think you put Judy in that offense and he could be in line for like 100 plus targets as a rookie. So he would be, to me, if he ended with the Raiders, he could be like a really early fantasy option. Yeah, you nailed it.

I mean, if we're talking about early fantasy production, it's about volume. Not many. Receivers are a difficult position to adjust to, but I think Oakland is one of the places he would be a number one receiver immediately and get treated like it. And I think the other one is what I pick, which is the Jets. I think he'd be the number one receiver in New York immediately. I think Judy's the best receiver in the class because he separates better than anyone in the class. And ultimately, that's what playing receiver is about. Yeah.

Nobody on the Jets had more than 900 yards. Sorry, no one on the Jets roster right now has ever had more than 900 yards in the season. Wow. No one's even gotten to 900. Their offense will get better, mostly because it has to get better than it was in 2019. One of the,

a rather mind-blowing fact from a hero, the Jets' offensive rankings on a per-drive basis in the NFL. Again, there are 32 teams. Plays per drive, they rank 30th. Yards per drive, they rank 32nd. points per drive they rank 30 second touchdowns per drive they ring 30 second field goals per drive 31st puns per drive they ring 30 first the bad way not the good way three and ounce per drive 30 second time possession per drive tied for 30th drive success rate 30 second and their average line

line of scrimmage was 29 so uh that sounds bad but they changed their whole offensive line and sam darnal can't get mono again right that's not how mono works so i don't know i think well we'll see well they're going to get better and so i think that adding Judy to that, he will just see so much volume. It will be really good if he lands there. And I think it's actually the most likely one we've probably discussed. Craig. Yeah.

I think you should go to the Packers. Yeah. I don't think anything fun has happened on the Packers from a fantasy perspective and a long, like there hasn't been a lot of changes, a lot of turnaround. I feel like it's just kind of gotten worse slowly and it's pretty much just Devante Adams. I think adding Jerry Judy to the Packers will be like when you have a really old dog and he's just kind of doing all right and you get a puppy for him. him and then he's like a completely new person.

He's like all happy now. And the final three years are great because he's got a new friend. I think that's what Jerry Judy would do to Aaron. I'm like really jealous of that analogy. He said Aaron Rogers has four good years elite play left. That's still old. Are you saying they're going to have to put Aaron Rogers down? He's like an 11-year-old golden retriever, you know?

Taking him about back behind the shed or something already. The theme today seems to be you want to put Aaron Rogers down, Craig. That seems to be what I'm hearing. I do like this though. I think this is a good idea. I don't think Judy's going to fall that far. but I like it. All right.

Next up, Henry Ruggs to Bama. I already mentioned he's, I got him to Philadelphia. D.K., where do you see Henry Ruggs going? Yeah, so I think the most common pairing is with the Eagles. It makes too much sense. They really, really miss that deep presence last year. Another team that's emerged is, I think, a sort of a hot destination for Ruggs is the 49ers. And I kind of like, I kind of like it, honestly.

The Niners are more run heavy than you'd like in the fantasy world if you're talking about receivers. but I think Ruggs could have like legit double-digit touchdowns and Kyle Shanahan's offensively because he would be able to get behind the defense on play action so often. Corners, defensive backs just cannot keep up with him on deep crossing routes. That's a pretty big part of like Shanahan's thing, run a, you know, run a play action fake and then run a deep crosser, get behind the defense.

And it would really force, the defense already has this decision to make, but you have to pick your poison when it comes to playing the Niners. Because Shanahan literally, he doesn't give shit. He'll run the entire game if you don't stack the box. Put eight guys in the box. Except if he's winning the game in the playoffs, then he won't do it. God. But so if you have rugs on a team that is constantly getting eight-man boxes,

like that is dangerous to me. So I just think it would be really fun to see rugs in that offense. I'm not 100% confident that Jimmy G. would hit him on a consistent basis, but I do think it would be a fun scheme to see him, and I think it would be good for his fantasy value. Wow, which is Jimmy G. and Aaron Rogers just taking hits left and right right now.

They don't see coming. Craig, where do you see Henry Ruggs? I think it would be cool if he went to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's been really good with speed guys. Like, Mike Wallace, Martavis, Bryant, if we could actually get one of those to stick for, like, you know, most of their career, that would be awesome. So, yeah.

But we're putting old quarterbacks down. Can Ben Rothelsberg and his surgically repaired elbow? hit Henry Ruggs. Honestly, if there's, I actually think Ben's better when hurt. I used to remember when he would like spray. That's the most Steelers fan thing I've ever heard of my entire life. When he sprained his ankle like mid-second quarter, you're like,

oh, this is the best. They're going to shoot him up at half time. He'll come back and win the game. Ben Rothusberger's better on quarter zone is the most Pittsburgh thing I've ever heard in my life. That's like just, I can just picture you having a yingling while you said that. Holy shit.

I think so Craig, by the way, I think I I comped rugs to a mini Martavis Bryant in my draft guide. So there you go. Deep guy, like a deep threat, very, very fast. Hopefully he plays like eight games for the Steelers if he goes there.

Good after the catch. I'm just going to ignore what Danny just said. Yeah. Yeah, because we don't really have a deep threat right now. And like, maybe this would help people from stack in the box against James Conno. You know what?

You know what the Steelers finally need? The Steelers finally need an exciting receiver on their team. I know. They're terrible at drafting them. God. Never good. I hate you guys. All right.

Who we got next, Danny? Justin Jefferson from LSU, man. Wow. That was, yeah. It's funny I gave him that intro. I don't really, I don't really think he's that great, but where's you going to go?

You don't think he's that great? Okay, I'm going to remember that. Can you sell me that? Sell me Justin Jefferson, right? It would, like, where do you think he's going to go and tell me why he's fourth in this? Like, is he really the fourth best receiver in this class? I think he's really, really good.

So, number one, really good route runner. like he breaks guys off from the slot like on those two-way routes. Excellent at the catch point. Fearless over the middle. Very good hands. Red zone threat. You know, all the analytics actually, like the numbers from the last couple of years are very, very strong for him in addition to the fact that he, you know, was just so,

so productive as in last, this last year, he was also productive the year before that. So yeah, I think everything points to him being a good player. A lot of people are comping him to Keenan Allen, just basically. on his ability to run routes, win in the slot. We know that slot receivers in fantasy football tend to get a lot of targets. So, yeah, I like him a lot. I think, you know, put him in the, put him on the Packers, let him work the underneath routes, turn him into kind of like a Cooper Cup in the Liffler system.

And I think that could be really, really fun for fantasy. I see all that. I just, I thought he works in the Bengals. Screw it. They'll take Joe Burrow first pick in the first round, and then they take his boy Justin Jefferson. first pick of the second round and then keep LSU together. I think that would be great.

I love that. Craig, what do you got? I want him to go to slot heaven where Randall Cobb and Cole Beasley have previously lived. I want him to go to the Cowboys. Wow. You had to get it. You had to get a Beasley comp in here somewhere. Had to.

When was the last time we had a podcast that we didn't mention Cole Beasley? 2000 and... The mid-a-auts. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. That means we got to wrap up soon. Okay, last guy, Denzel Mims from Baylor. Yeah, I like him for a lot of different teams.

I'm going to put him on the Broncos, just because I think he can play on the inside. He could feature in the slot, put him opposite Cortland Sutton. They have a really cool, you know, like one-two punch at the receiver position. He's fast so he can get behind the defense, add that speed element to the offense. If you go back to college, I think having that speed, that deep threat could really help unlock Drewlock's game a little bit more. Locke splits from college. Yes. That was a tongue twister.

If you look at Drew Locke's splits from college when he had Emmanuel Hall in the field versus when he didn't. In Emmanuel Hall, he didn't end up getting drafted because I think there were some medical issues, but he was really fast, like four three speed guy. When he was on the field, like Locke was unstoppable. So I think getting a speed element to that offense could really help open it up. He'd get a lot of one-on-one stuff because Coralyn Sutton's really, really good, ascending receiver. So, yeah, Mims can just kind of do it all. He's very good at the catch point.

Lives above the rim, all that stuff. Great, great physical box a guy out in the Red Zone type player. So I like Mims a lot. I agree with everything you said. I am cheating, though, because I think that he could also go to the Jets. And I'm cheating because I know I just gave Jerry Judy to the Jets, but I think in reality, I think that the Jets end up taking a tackle in the first round. And then they have to take a receiver in the second round. And I think that he makes a lot of sense with the Jets for everything I said earlier, except that Judy will already have been gone. I'm just wondering if he'll make it that far.

It's possible. It's certainly possible. There's just so many receivers in this class that teams could wait a little bit. So are you worried a little bit? Like, we've talked about this before, but like the Adam Gase turning, you know, into like the Bermuda Triangle for fantasy production. Yeah, but again, I think that either Mims or Judy, I think if they take a receiver in the first two rounds, they will end up as a de facto number one target.

And I think that I look at this as, you know, I don't love the receiver as always, although my mind's been changed on that in the last year or so. And I think that there's a few teams that anyone who's drafted there will end up the number one. And I think that the Jets are very much, if they take any of the top six or seven guys in this draft, they will just end up seeing so many targets because they have to. Are you forgetting about Breschad Perman? Yes, but also no, because on one hand, there's a reason I was forget about Breschard. If Prashot Paramarman, am I crazy? I mean, do you guys, I feel like Denzel Mims or anyone better than him that Jets draft would get more targets on the season than Paramount.

Do you guys agree or disagree? Yeah, I think that's probably fair. Might be close. Yeah. Maybe like. Maybe I'm wrong. Tell me to go to hell. You're the one who does the satanic videos.

Craig and I are probably both a little bit higher on on Perriman than you are, I think, Danny. I guess that's always been the case, hasn't it? Always, yes. Tough. Okay, Craig, send us out strong. Speaking of Perriman. I think, well, one, Denzel, this is my favorite receiver in the class. I was just watching his tape today. I just think he's awesome.

I'm picking him just for, like, fantasy wild car to be super weird and super fun. He just goes to the bucks, and we have the triplet towers in Tampa Bay. We got Evans, Godwin, and Mims. All for Brady, we go three wide, plus O.J. Howard. They never run it. You can't Tampa Bay twice in the one episode.

That's not where we're not. know we have to get out of here. Tompa. Tampa Bay. Tompa Bay. That word is illegal now. There's a quarantine on it. I love Tampa.

Don't get used the word Tampa in this podcast. Do you know I actually ordered a couple Tampa Bay shirts? They're on the way to my house. Don't tell anyone. It's a gift to a family member. Very excited. Well, that's a good thing you said on this podcast because they probably don't listen. Fantastic.

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