The Ringer NFL Show - Free Agent Matches Made in Fantasy Heaven | The Dantasy Football Podcast

Episode Date: March 11, 2020

We start with a quick discussion about some NFL contract misconceptions before taking a look at the upcoming free agency free-for-all through a fantasy lens, examining the big names set to potentially... join new teams—and how that could affect the fantasy landscape—and also dole out some of our favorite fantasy matches made in heaven. Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up, guys, this is Kelly, and welcome to the Ringer Podcast Network. Make sure to check out the latest edition to the Ringer lineup, Music Exists. Each week, Chris Ryan and Chuck Kloesterman ask and answer questions about their love of music while exploring the role of concerts, locations, fandom, criticism, genre, lyrics, and much, much more. You can listen to new episodes of Music Exists and follow along every week for free on Spotify. Welcome to the Dantasy Football Podcast on the Ringer NFL show, on the Ringer Podcast Network. My name is Danny Hyphinson. I'm joined as always by my co-host and my co-danny,
Starting point is 00:00:54 the hero we need and the analysts we deserve the Dark Knight himself. Danny Kelly! How are you doing, D.K.? I'm doing excellent, man. Just hanging in there, you know, free agency is coming up. I'm really excited about that. Otherwise, you know, nothing really new going on. How are you doing?
Starting point is 00:01:11 Well, you said hanging in there really great, and I was like, those don't go together at all. Well, you know, there's things happening in the world right now, especially in my part of the world. It's pretty much everywhere at this point. But just kind of trying to stay inside and stay clean, wash my hands, you know, all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Yes, the Dynasty Football Podcast is brought to you by handwashing. Everyone wash your goddamn hands. For 20 seconds, sing, happy birthday to yourself twice. God damn right. All right, well, we're going to run through, we're going to look at free agency
Starting point is 00:01:43 in the upcoming free agency landscape. Hi, Danny, I'm here too. Oh, shit, I forgot about it. I was derailed by it. coronavirus, I just forgot. I was like, pivot, pivot, pivot. It's all right. Much like coronavirus, he's trying to avoid me too. But I will not go away. We're going to wash our hands of Craig. It's more I'm not thinking about you and I look up and I'm like, oh shit. I was gone for one show and I'm out. I did forget about it. What's your name again? It's Craig. It's not Danny. I know. I've heard that a million times.
Starting point is 00:02:10 How does that happen? I know. I got to make some changes. All right. Well, speaking of changes, a lot of people are going to be changing teams. is beginning on... I know that was good, right? That was a good segue. Wow, it just started pouring. So if anybody hears like rain hitting the roof sounds, that's what it is.
Starting point is 00:02:29 It just started absolutely pouring in L.A. I know that I've been living in Los Angeles for too long because I walked outside of my apartment this morning and there was rain. And I was like, what is this? I was like, and then I just was like, oh yeah, right, rain.
Starting point is 00:02:46 And then I got my car and I was just like, wow, it's crazy. that water just falls from the sky sometimes. I was like, I have lived here. I got to go back to New York, dude. D.K., did you hear that with the rain on our end? I could not hear it now. Okay, good. All right. Well, so we just sound like crazy people.
Starting point is 00:03:00 All right. So anyway, as I was saying, free agency begins on Monday or Wednesday, depending how you count. The deal is starting to start getting signed on Monday, even though they can't be signed. It's a whole thing. But people start switching teams on Monday, and then there's the whole collective bargaining stuff, which is making everything else complicated because no one knows the rules. it's kind of a clustered disaster kind of situation. But free agency will begin next week.
Starting point is 00:03:22 So we're going to go through with a fantasy lens and focus on the quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, who could switch teams, but where we want them to go for a fantasy purpose. This is not predictions and less labeled otherwise. This is much, this is more like, where is this player going to be maximized or just for our own personal fantasy enjoyment, where we want to see them go. Fantasy matches made in heaven.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Beautiful. Oh, that could be the title. We want to title that? sure that's pretty good actually well if that is the title you just clicked on then that is what happened and if not then someone overruled but a quick overview
Starting point is 00:03:56 on free agency to take one thing seriously so far for a second NFL contracts are a lie just plain and simple and as we go into free agency it's low key the most misinformation of the NFL season is actually during free agency for a simple reason
Starting point is 00:04:14 like deals aren't real, like a five-year deal. Do you know how many times a five-year contract signed in free agency last five years? Do you know? Yes. Can you guys... I'm going to say 18% of the time. D.K., what do you think? I'll say
Starting point is 00:04:30 5%. Craig, that's like 15%. So it's 1% of a 7. That's the number. Which is the same as five-year deals that are signed and then people are cut after one year. So a five-year deal is as likely to last one year as it is the last five years.
Starting point is 00:04:46 Why is that? The simplest answer is just they're not actually five-year deals. They're a three-year deal with two team options. So in basketball, it's called a team option. In baseball, it's called a club option. In football, it's called they got cut. Like, Josh Norman, signed a five-year deal in free agency. He was due $12 million this year.
Starting point is 00:05:03 Washington cut him. We'll pay him nothing. That's called a team option. They just don't call it that. So all of football deals, most football deals, are actually a two-year deal with two-team options, a three-year deal with two team options after that. A one-year deal with two.
Starting point is 00:05:17 But they just called three years for the total money. None of the money is real. It's about the guaranteed money. So I say all this just so. When all these deals start trickling out on Twitter, Instagram, like ESPN, wherever you're getting your news from, and you see a number for how many years it is and the total money, it means nothing.
Starting point is 00:05:36 This happens every year, too. But there's a simple rule. Shameless plug, I went through all this for the ringer. If you Google, when guaranteed contracts are not guaranteed, for the ringer, you can pull it up. I went through every free agent contract signed since 2011 under the CBA and I just put them all and I just looked at all of them. And there's actually a really simple rule you can follow. It's just 60%.
Starting point is 00:05:57 60% of the years, 60% of the total money. That is on average what gets paid. So for example, if you see someone signing for a five-year deal worth $50 million, just do 60%. So that 60% of five is three years. and then 60% of 50 is 30, right? I don't want to get that wrong. Yeah, great. So it's really a three-year deal for $30 million.
Starting point is 00:06:21 And if you really want to go crazy, the actual rule you can follow is you can take the guaranteed money and divide it by the average they're making per year. So, for example, Josh Norman, the deal he signed was $50 million guaranteed, and he was making, on average, total $15 million a year. $50 million guaranteed divided by $15 million a year, $3.3. He lasted four years. that's a long way of saying
Starting point is 00:06:44 none of these things are real but when you see the headline just the simplest way you can do it just look at it 60%, 60%, it's not real, these aren't the big commitments the only thing matters is guaranteed money that's our little preface to all that sorry if that was too complicated
Starting point is 00:06:56 That's good info. It bothers the hell out of me when you see five years, 70 million. They're never going to get the $70 million. I feel like I needed to take notes on that. Is there a test tomorrow that we're going to have to take? It's just it's not real. The total money is alive.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Wake up, sheeple! That's all I'm trying to say. Let's get into the goddamn free agents. We have opened our third eye and now we will close it. I'm trying to get into this free agency. Quarterbacks. All right. This is crazy year for quarterbacks, which you've probably heard.
Starting point is 00:07:21 And if not a lot of them are free agents. So let's just start with him. True Breeze. Probably not going to be free agent. This is one is so exciting. Yeah, we'll put him on here just because he's technically a free agent. He's not going to go anywhere. He actually said the other day, I don't care what the offer would be or the situation would be.
Starting point is 00:07:37 I'm Hoodat Nation for life. As long as they have me and as long as I want to play, that's where I'll be. So he's either going to be a saint or retired. I guess there's a very tiny, tiny chance the Saints decide to go with Taysham Hill, which I just don't see happening. Do you guys think there's any chance of that happening? In 2020? Yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:07:55 No. I think the whole Taysam Hill thing is overblown about how he could be some. I mean, I don't know what there is to suggest that he's going to be a good quarterback in the NFL. I think what happened is actually kind of simple. Taysam Hill is a restricted free agent and he has to get tendered, which is like the NFL's restricted free agency. So they assign a second round tender or a first round tender. That means that if someone else signs him,
Starting point is 00:08:17 they have to give the Saints a first rounder or a second rounder. Obviously, no one's going to give him a first rounder. Now, if you give him a first round tender, Taston Hill gets paid more money than if he gets assigned a second round tender. So in Taston Hill, the week before the Super Bowl is like, I think I could be an NFL quarterback. What he's doing is talking up the idea of it so that the Saints feel pressure to assign a first round tender to him,
Starting point is 00:08:38 so he gets paid more money. that's it. So this was this was Hill was doing? Yeah, why did Taysam Hill just give an interview the week of the Super Bowl to be like, oh, like,
Starting point is 00:08:48 I think I could be a quarterback. Well, they had to make a decision on his tender. So it's leveraged to, and what did the Saints do? I believe the Saints did or are going, planning on giving him a first round tender.
Starting point is 00:08:57 So the whole thing was just, it's about money. I can't believe they're giving him a first round tender. Well, it's only $5 million or something. Do you know how many passes Taston Hill is thrown in his career? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:09 20. 15. Huh. Wow. How about that? Yeah. That's a great little stat. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:09:17 That's fantastic. It's a lot less than I think people would think. Pretty silly. Okay. Let's move on. Speaking of people, we don't need to talk about. Dak Prescott.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Free agent, technically. Not going to happen. He's not leaving the Cowboys. So let's not even talk about him. Tom Brady. Quarterback for the, what's the team again? Patriots?
Starting point is 00:09:35 Yeah, that's the one. That's the one. That's the one. I always slips to my mind. Is he? quarterback of the Patriots. Well, that's the question. So, I've rented enough already.
Starting point is 00:09:44 I mean, from a fantasy perspective, I actually don't know where I want Tom Brady to go. I'm not sure there is a match made in heaven for Tom Brady fantasy-wise. Yeah. I don't think I would... So I want the Bears, because I looked at this
Starting point is 00:09:57 is the Bears are the only team. I think that... I think if Brady was there, their offense would be a lot better. And I think Alan Robinson, I think certain guys would just be way better because Trubisky's thing is, like, missing deep balls down the field
Starting point is 00:10:09 that Brady can't do. Chubisky's thing is missing open receivers, which Brady doesn't do. Short open receivers is Brady's bread butter. I like the Bears, but... I pick the Chargers just because I feel like it's kind of... Tom Brady's just better Philip Rivers right now
Starting point is 00:10:21 at both points in their career. They're just like a lot of dump-offs. Keenan Allen, I don't know if they're going to resign Hunter Henry. Austin Echler, they just resigned. I could just see him succeeding in a dump-off offense and Austin Echler would have probably his best year. You know what I mean? Playing the James White role.
Starting point is 00:10:35 It just kind of seems like it works. He's in SoCal. He's got the weather. but all works out. I'm changing my answer to the Chargers also. I think if he's going to be fantasy relevant this season, Brady, now he was the QB13, so he was
Starting point is 00:10:48 in 2019, and that was with an offense and an offense that was they didn't have any tight ends. They didn't have, I mean, other than Edelman, their receiver situation was pretty dire, the running back situation wasn't great. I think Brady has a chance to be somewhat fantasy relevant.
Starting point is 00:11:05 If he's on a team with a very good skill position group. And the Chargers actually have that with with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Eckler, and it sounds like they're going to bring Hunter Henry back. So that core is actually pretty decent. And I don't know if he's, I wouldn't say he's going to be like a high-end quarterback or whatever, but he could be fantasy relevant in 2020 if he's in that group. I have not for one moment believe that Tom Brady to the Chargers stuff. It doesn't make any
Starting point is 00:11:30 sense other than I think it's the projection of sports media people who would like to live in Southern California. It makes zero sense on any level. Who do you think makes sense? The only, so the important thing with the Tom Brady stuff, just another tangent, no one said any, no one who knows anything has said anything. There's speculation
Starting point is 00:11:49 that, oh, the Raiders would like to sign Tom Brady, the Chargers might, yeah, but what does Tom Brady want? Nobody knows that. The only thing Tom Brady's kind of said so far was some vague stuff to Dana White to promo the UFC, and Charlie Weiss, his former Patriots coordinator and the Notre Dame coach, was reading text
Starting point is 00:12:05 from Tom Brady just reiterating, nobody knows anything about what I want. I don't think Tom Brady knows what he wants. I think Tom Brady probably has been with the Patriots a long time. But all these charges, the Raiders stuff, there's no tangible leads of any specific destination. It's just a lot of conjecture that's been repeated so much that people just are kind of taking it as, oh, that's where he might go.
Starting point is 00:12:25 There's no actual substance. There's no, it's all smoke and no fire. I guess that's, no, the word there's smoke. There is fire? Is that, yeah. All right, I screwed up the metaphor, but that's not the point. The point is that why the hell would he go to? the Chargers. The only thing we know about Tom Brady is a group of
Starting point is 00:12:38 Niners fan in Northern California, idolizing Joe Montana. Yeah, he went to Sarah High School, I believe. Yeah, so that's it. Brady wants to go, and this is just using logic, Brady wants to go somewhere where he can win a championship, so... Not the Chargers. Probably not the Chargers, I think, certainly not the Raiders. It's nowhere,
Starting point is 00:12:54 except New England. Well, what about the Titans with... I firmly believe that this is, like, this is like Dad's living in a hotel while we figure things out for a few weeks, and he's still not over the thing where there was kind of like the cheating incident two years, with that young handsome GQ model, Jimmy G. Wow.
Starting point is 00:13:09 And it's like, you know. This is a metaphor right here. I like it. Keep going. Keep going. Just we need, you know, need some space. Who are the children in this scenario? Are their grandparents?
Starting point is 00:13:20 Well, how deep does this go? I think the fans are the children. The Patriots fans are obviously the children here. Do they think it's their fault a little bit? Yeah, they think it's their fault. They're like, have I taken this for granted? Who's Belichick?
Starting point is 00:13:31 They're like, did we do this? Is it because the... Is Belichick the husband or the wife to Brady's husband? husband or wife? No, no, it's the Patriots and organization. You can't get into the specifics here. Got it, got it. Those are, you know, we're not getting
Starting point is 00:13:42 too deep. Okay. Maybe a pod for a different day. I mean, remember the fans, the Titans game, fans showed up with the Please Stay Tommy? Mm-hmm. Like, the fans are the children being torn here. All right, so let's pivot to the guy on the team that Brady might go to the Chargers and let's talk about
Starting point is 00:13:56 Phil Rivers. Yeah. Once again, another guy I don't really think fantasy-wise I'm going to get that excited about it, no matter where he goes. All right, so, D.K., what's your dream matchup for Philip Rivers, Duker, for fantasy per football. I put the Colts because I actually do think he would be an upgrade over per set in terms of, like, if we're just looking at, I wouldn't call this necessarily a match made in heaven, but it is a better match.
Starting point is 00:14:21 Isn't that the title of the episode? It is. It's a match made in limbo. Match made in purgatory. Philip Rivers and the Colts. I'm using this as like a little aside. I'm saying this is a match, it's a better fantasy match than the current situation, in my opinion. if you get him with Frank Reich, put him in that offense behind that offensive line.
Starting point is 00:14:40 You know, I think he has a better chance of elevating like Ty Why Hilton, potentially Paris Campbell if he has any breakout next season. I think it's going to be better odds of that happening with Philip Rivers than it is with Jacoby Rossett. So that was why I put the Colts primarily just because I'd love to see an upgrade at quarterback at that spot, you know, just to make more fantasy, I guess just to make the Colts more fantasy relative. if that makes any sense. I put rivers to the bucks because... Yeah, that makes sense too.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Wait, one second, decay. Are we leaking or not? Craig's looking at the ceiling all ominously. Are we leaking in the studio? There's a lot of expensive equipment in this room. Am I crazy or did... There was just a drop? It's all right.
Starting point is 00:15:20 What could possibly go wrong in this audio room of... Oh, there is... Oh, there is. Oh, we're leaking. Is that leaking under that light fixture? Maybe you... Actually, hold on. If it's leaking into the lights,
Starting point is 00:15:30 then we need to say something. We'll be back after a brief message from my... our sponsors. The hand washing. And we're back. We have somewhat fixed the studio. You're holding an umbrella while you're recording.
Starting point is 00:15:44 This is indication of how often it rains in L.A., I think. Yes, I'm taking extremely precautionary measures in holding an umbrella inside the studio, which is bad luck. But, you know what else is bad luck letting water drip onto audio equipment. You make your own luck. Yeah. Well, this is a curse podcast. So anyway, I don't remember where we were. Philip Rivers on the Colts, I think that's boring.
Starting point is 00:16:06 We got to talk about Philip Rivers on the Bucks. Yes, thank you, D.K. I think the only place I would draft Philip Rivers and fantasy is if he went to the Bucks and started instead of James. I think it's also the perfect scenario. Everyone was like Philip Rivers to the Bucks because he lives in Northern Florida now. I'm Philip Rivers to the Bucs because James and Rivers lead the league in interceptions the last three years, the last four years combined, the last five years. Any sample you want to pick of James and Rivers together, they lead the Lever. league in picks. It is unbelievable,
Starting point is 00:16:35 including my favorite, since 2015. Winston has 88, Rivers has 76, no one else is more than 60. Wow. Oh, wow. It's just they deserve each. Like, if they're going to get rid of James, why would you pick anyone other than Phil Rivers? Like, that's your guy. Yeah, so that's actually what I was going to ask. So Craig, you say you're not excited about Rivers anywhere, potentially.
Starting point is 00:16:54 Let me ask you this scenario, though. If the Bucks decide not to bring back James Winston, would you rather have Philip Rivers in Tampa Bay or a guy like Teddy Bridgewater in Tampa Bay. And I'm talking like, I'm not talking your concern over having either of these quarterbacks on your team. I'm asking about Mike Evans and Godwin specifically. Like, how does it make you feel about those guys if it's either Rivers or Bridgewater? I would take Rivers.
Starting point is 00:17:22 I mean, he's proven. He's been able to produce top 10 wide receivers keen in every single year and a little bit more. I mean, even his ability to like keep Echler extremely relevant and a tight end. when they're healthy, I would definitely take. I mean, Teddy Bridgewater had, I think, the lowest yards per attempt in the league when he played for the Saints last season. Now, that could be attributed to him not knowing the office very well, or him just trying to, you know, get his feet in the water.
Starting point is 00:17:45 But, yeah. Yeah, I would definitely take Rivers. Also, Evans and Godwin had their production in large part because James just didn't care when he chucked the ball down the field. Bridgewater, what's the word? Takes care of the football? There's care involved. Philip Rivers and James, not so much.
Starting point is 00:17:58 So I think the numbers would go down, but the quarterbacking might be better with any better. Speaking of, let's get to the meat of this podcast and talk about old Jamie. Yeah, James is probably who we should have started out with because he is legitimately the biggest quarterback domino, I think, in this whole situation, at least from a fantasy perspective, because he's fantasy gold. Wherever he goes, you know, shootouts end up following in terms of he just turns the ball over, but he also throws, like, for a ton of yards. He's, I think he had the eighth most yards in NFL history last season, 5,1009.
Starting point is 00:18:28 So he is a production, like tons and tons of production follows him around, but it's also in real football, I don't know if any team is going to actually want him to be their quarterback. So I think he's the biggest domino that's going to fall on this whole thing. Yeah, in terms of fantasy, I think that the bucks just...
Starting point is 00:18:45 It's the bucks. Yeah, it's got to be the bucks, yeah. Bruce Ariens is obviously just like enabling his worst instincts. Carson Palmer also, in an interview recently, was talking about how difficult Bruce Ariens' offenses for a quarterback in his first year. And he was just talking about how he thinks that James could actually make
Starting point is 00:19:05 like a significant leap in year two. There's a good PFF article out there that was written in the last week about James and how he's actually like one of the, he's made the worst throws in the season, but also the best throws of the season. Like he's like one of the few quarterbacks who has like, he's in like the top 20 for best throws and the bottom 20 for worst throws, which is like really interesting. So maybe if he can limit some of those shitty throws,
Starting point is 00:19:25 he makes all of his bad throws on first reads apparently. It's like a philosophical question of like, can you have all the highs without the lows? Yes. Is that who he is? Or can you work on the bottom? Yes. And then this is, I mean, the best story. He needs to just like rise the tide of all of his throws.
Starting point is 00:19:42 No matter what happens, he's probably not going to throw 30 touchdowns and 30 picks again. So no matter what happens with his season, it's going to be about the eye surgery. What would you say is more likely that he throws 30 touchdowns again or 30 interceptions again? 30 touchdowns. Definitely. Because he'll get benched. Oh, okay. Let's say if he played 16 games.
Starting point is 00:20:00 No, I'm saying the bucks won't, like, there's so many drops coming into this studio. There's so many raindrops and all I can think now is like, this is what James Winston can't do. Dink, dunk, drop a little bit at a time. He's just a title wave all time. Yes. That one didn't work. It's okay. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:20:16 We got to move on, though. Ryan Tannahill, who was in the doldrums in Miami, traded as a cap move. Tennessee and then was like the most efficient quarterback in football for the final 10 games. So, D.K., where is Tana Hill fantasy gold? I mean, obviously to stay in Tennessee, I think. That would be my first choice by far. He was a perfect fit for that offense. I mean, he showed it during the last second half of the season.
Starting point is 00:20:41 He took over from week seven on. He was the QB3. So I don't know what else you really need, you know, past that little fact. And additionally, he really helped unlock AJ Brown. You know, once he took over, they opened up that play action passing. game. He was aggressive down the field. He was exactly what I think AJ Brown needs and stylistically in a quarterback. So, you know, for AJ Brown and for the Titans and for everyone, it just makes so much more sense for them to bring him back. I think that's what
Starting point is 00:21:10 will happen. Why do you think A.J. Brown is what Tannhill needs? No, I think I think Tannahill, I think A.J. Brown needs Tannahill. Is that what you're asking? Yes. I mean, he needs a quarterback like Tanna Hill. who's not afraid to throw it down the field. It's not afraid to attack in coverages. AJ Brown is not a guy that's going to have a huge amount of separation. He's a big physical, you know, run after the catch guy, thrives in play action. And so I think, you know, it's not necessarily like Ryan Tannhill is the only quarterback
Starting point is 00:21:42 that can help AJ Brown because I think AJ Brown is going to be an elite receiver in the NFL. But he needs that type of quarterback that's going to be aggressive. If it gets a guy like Bridgewater, I don't know if it's going to be quite the same, you know? or even Brady whose arm is just not what it used to be. So I don't know. I think it makes most sense for them to bring Tannahill back. I could see an argument for Brady, but I don't know, man. Tannehill was really, really good in that second half.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Obviously, the playoffs skews perception a little bit because they just did not have him throw the football at all. But, I mean, if you look at his whole second half of the season, he was really, really good. I don't know where else he would go. I don't know who else would want him, to be honest at this point. Who do you think would go after him at this point? The Pats. Go on. I'd like to see him on the Patriots
Starting point is 00:22:28 because one, I'd like to see anybody with Tom Brady and the Patriots and I'd like to see just like a, it's almost just like a science experiment for Belichick, just like what can he do? I want to see them try and basically become the Titans. Like maybe they trade for David Johnson,
Starting point is 00:22:41 get Ryan Tannahill, just like run and dunk the ball like 50 times a game and play great defense. And I'd like to see that next year out of them. I think that'd be a fun wrinkle. That would be fun. No, the quarterback's going to go to New England.
Starting point is 00:22:53 I want James to go to New England because I want to see how Bill Belichick handles James. I think they deserve each other. I wish we could clone James and just send him everywhere. I don't want that at all. I think that's a terrible idea. Marcus Marietta. What do we do with Marcus Marietta? He's absolutely going to have to be a backup.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I mean, I think at least to start the season, kind of like what Tana Hill did where he's going to a team that needs some competition. At the quarterback position, he's going to push a guy to either break out, you know, kind of shit or get off the pot. kind of like, you know, Trebisky in Chicago. I think it makes a ton of sense to have Mario to go there. And, you know, it would be kind of ironic, I guess, if Marioita pulled a Tannahill in Chicago and did that exact same thing. I like to fit in theory with him in that offense. You know, you could do some things with his mobility, you know, play action, all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Of course, he probably in theory would have been a good fit for the Titans, but it did not work out for them. So I don't know, man. I don't know if Mario has starter potential at all. going forward, but I didn't really think that Tannahill did either. I think the strange thing about Marioidos, everyone just kind of forgets that he had a nerve injury and his throwing elbow that just did not heal as on schedule. Yeah, I'm all for him getting a second chance or a third chance.
Starting point is 00:24:06 Yeah, obviously we have no idea how that works. Like there's no surgery for that kind of nerve injury. It's just kind of hope it gets better with treatment and stuff. But, you know, if it improves, you know, I think it's worth him getting another shot. And that's the, it never comes up. Like in a nerve injury, you're just throwing elbow. It's really relevant. So, you know, we'll see, I would love to see him get a shot,
Starting point is 00:24:26 but in fantasy-wise, he's a backup, like at least for a foreseeable future. So he's not relevant. And then last, Teddy Bridge, Teddy Bridge quarterback himself. Ha. I don't think, so I don't know if Bridgewater, you can separate, he's the easiest guy in the world to root for. You want to root for him. Coming back from that, you know, really, really terrible knee injury and all that.
Starting point is 00:24:45 I don't know if I necessarily want to see him as a starter anywhere. I think he's the definition of a better real-life player than a fantasy football. player. Yeah. He's not going to have big stats, but like, I mean, went five in on with the Saints and wasn't necessarily great fantasy quarterback, but he was crushing it as the Saints quarterback. So there's going to be, you know, when you add in potential guys that could get traded, like Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, a couple other people, there's going to be a few of these
Starting point is 00:25:09 potential, you know, starter caliber or at least starter potential type quarterbacks that end up without a starting job. I think Mariotta's going to be one of them almost certainly. And then I would guess Teddy Bridgewater is going to be another one. Because when you add in the tradable guys plus to a borough, you know, maybe Herbert starts in year one, it's kind of hard for me to see, you know, Bridgewater getting a job, like getting handed a starting job. He could do like the Mario da thing too where he has to come in as a backup and win a job. But I don't know. It's going to be interesting.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I guess the Buccaneers kind of have had rumored interest in him. So that could be one place. But I don't know. It's tough for me to see. of Brady Rivers, Jamis, Tannahill, and Marriota, and Bridgewater, the only person that's probably getting drafted is Jamis if he goes back to the bucks,
Starting point is 00:25:57 but if he doesn't get a job, it's probably just Tanahill and the Titans. And even then, late. So, yeah, probably it. To me, the quarterback question, the quarterback conversation is far, far more about the guys around him than the actual quarterbacks. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:12 Well, speaking of the guys around him, running backs that could switch teams or at least maybe going to hit free agency, Derek Henry, Titans. he's good of football but we're going to avoid how much running backs are worth in free agency conversation
Starting point is 00:26:26 because it makes me want to claw my eyes out because they too are a product of the people around them blocking for them but what is the best situation for Derek Henry to produce for fantasy points the best one you would take him number one if you went there or whatever we all took the Titans
Starting point is 00:26:40 and I feel like with running backs who are coming off incredible seasons when does it make sense for them not to be on that same team right rarely Right. I don't know how you could be like, well, man, he'd be even better on the... Yeah, it's, look, the Titans, I mean, he's this good for a reason. It's, you know, don't get it confused. It's not like, oh, he had 180 yards, the three or four games in a row, whatever it was. It was 180 yards and 30 carries three years in a row, like, it's, the Titans are one of the few teams that are willing to identify around a single running back. There are a handful of those teams left. Derek Henry's on one of them who are, and if they pay him, they're willing to say, no, we are Derek Henry. Like, he's the, he's our guy.
Starting point is 00:27:18 on offense. Not many teams are willing to do that anymore. And I think if a team was willing to do that, I would argue that his draft stock would drop rather significantly. If he went to a random pick your team team, I think he would drop like maybe half a round, a full round. What about the Steelers?
Starting point is 00:27:33 That was my one idea. I don't think that makes any sense, personally. Why? I just don't think they... They ride... In history, historically, they've ridden one running back, typically. But at this point, it's been two years
Starting point is 00:27:48 since they've done that. And the Steelers like passed the most in the league. They'd have to change their entire... It was like that for Mike Tomlin, but they would have to be going back to how they treated Levi-on-Bell in 2017, which is a long time ago at this point. And it would be strange to me
Starting point is 00:28:01 if they went back to that. And paid money to do it. James Connor was a first-rounder last year. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, he would probably be a late first-rounder, but I don't think... If he went there, yeah. Do you think he would go down or up, though?
Starting point is 00:28:13 If you sign up the Steelers, D.K., do you think he would be more or less valuable? it's got to be less. How can he go up? He can't go up. Well, this is a different conversation because it's how you feel about Ben Rathusberger, 38 years old coming off an elbow injury.
Starting point is 00:28:25 So we have a whole off-season talking about that. Kenyon Drake, D.K. Kenyon Drake was a disaster on the Miami Dolphins. Traded. Gets to Arizona. Plays for Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah. Low-key was one of the best running backs in football
Starting point is 00:28:43 for the second half the season. He looked amazing. best running back in football for the second half of the season by fantasy points. Would you rather seem anywhere else or no? No, I mean, I think his ideal situation would be with the Cardinals. They're known for their sort of air raid version of their offense. We all talked about the four-wide stuff. They actually ended up doing three-wide stuff more often than we thought they might.
Starting point is 00:29:10 But we're very much focused on Kyler Murray and that team's passing attack. where that run game was really, really good. I think it was one of the top teams in run DVOA. They were very efficient, and it goes back to them spreading the ball out, giving their running backs light boxes to run against. And Kenyon Drake was perfect for that. I mean, his speed, his explosiveness, his one cut ability or whatever, was just a good fit for that offense, his ability to get outside
Starting point is 00:29:36 and all that, make guys missing the open field. So he was kind of the perfect fit for them, much better fit than David Johnson, as we saw. And it just makes so much sense for them to bring him back. The only thing I'm worried about, I guess, or not worried, but the only thing I think they could make that less likely is just teams see how many of these running backs have gotten huge big money second contracts, and they've immediately regretted them. The Cardinals are one of those teams, and they might not want to shell out big money for another running back after, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:10 when they've got David Johnson sitting on their roster. I don't think they have to pay big money for Kenyon Drake, do you? Well, not big money, but... I wouldn't say big money, but any money over... Like the $7 million range? I mean, any significant amount of money is like a good amount for running backs these days. Running backs don't make a tonne's on their second contracts.
Starting point is 00:30:31 And so I don't know if they're going to want to go that route. They might want to just get a guy in the draft. Yeah. The only other team I thought of for Kenyon Drake was maybe the Texans just to give Deshaun a more versatile running back because Carlos Hyde is a little bit more one-dimensional and I thought maybe Drake could add some, I don't know, just some spark. I thought that would be kind of a fun fit.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Yeah, I think that's a good fit. Just scrolling through, there's not a lot of teams really that need, you know, more running backs, honestly. I guess the Chiefs, people have very, very disparate opinions on Damien Williams, I guess. A lot of people think he's a stud. Some people just think he's a jag. I don't know. I could probably land somewhere right in the middle. But, I mean, if we look at what, you know, Kareem Hunt did in Kansas City,
Starting point is 00:31:13 The chiefs are always an intriguing running back landing spot for me. But there's, yeah, there's really not a ton of teams that need them. Buccaneers need a running back if Ronald Jones is not going to pan out. Hi Fitch, you just looked like you did some research. What did you just discover? Well, it's like Austin Echler and the Chargers just got a deal for four years and $24.5 million, which, as we learned, means nothing. So they guaranteed him $15 million.
Starting point is 00:31:36 So what that means is really probably two years for $15 million. So they're paying him like, you know, it's like $7 million. It's like, you know, six in change, but they really owe kind of probably seven million up front a year. It's perfectly fine. Like, it's more than like a rookie running back. But Austin Nucler was great, was great for them. It's not 17, like Todd Gurley was going to get. Seven.
Starting point is 00:31:56 It's perfectly fine. So Kenyon Drake, if it goes back to the corner for like $6 million. I think that's fine. I mean, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't try and convince them not to do that, but I could see them not wanting to do that because of all the dead money they've got on their David, or David Johnson's contract. It's just they have so many other needs. So I don't know. Yeah, I think David Johnson is owed like 14 or 15 million next year. Tough.
Starting point is 00:32:18 And Drake is not going back to the Dolphins, I imagine, which is another team that needs a running back. They need everything, yeah. I don't think anyone wants to go back to the dolphins once you get out. Someone who, this is the most complicated of all. Melvin Gordon, the person who was trying to get big money and then held out and then Austin Echler replaced him and kind of became the perfect case study of why teams probably should not be paying running backs. Right. came back and just wasn't as good as Echler. And there's this idea that Echler couldn't run between the tackles and he could.
Starting point is 00:32:46 And Gordon just wasn't quite as good. So where do you guys think Melvin Gordon would be like the best fantasy asset, D.K.? So I put the Colts because I don't think, I just don't think Gordon is all that. I don't think he's a difference maker necessarily. I think he's a good running back, a sustaining running back. But if I was making a list of like the best, most explosive, most elusive, guys in the NFL, like Gordon probably wouldn't be on my list. So I put the Colts because they have a really good offensive line.
Starting point is 00:33:16 I think they want to be balanced and he can be that kind of, you know, sustainer type back. They've had some injury issues. Of course, he's been, Gordon's had some injury issues as well. But the Colts have had some injury issues at the running back spot and kind of had to do platoon stuff there with Mack and Wilkins and Heinz and all those guys. So that was kind of my thinking. But to be saying the Colts would do this, but if he signed there somehow,
Starting point is 00:33:42 you'd be like, this is great for fantasy, because obviously the Colts are on a huge running back signing team. And Marlon Mack is going into last year of his contract, so he's not there. He might not be there long term, which means they could potentially start to kind of just hand the reins over to Gordon. I don't know. I don't see a really ideal landing spot.
Starting point is 00:34:01 It sounds like another match made in purgatory. Right. I put the Texans, because I think it is a match maiden, if not, at least for heaven for the Texans, right now they don't really have any fantasy viable running backs like Duke Johnson if he gets the full job could be but it seems like Gordon could be tied
Starting point is 00:34:16 yeah well I mean he's way better than Carlos Hyde no offense Craig but like the same way we kind of thought Echler wasn't a super between the tackles guy until we see Duke Johnson do that he's not that and Melvin Gordon is a better receiver than Duke Johnson is a runner at least from what we've seen of him
Starting point is 00:34:31 think that if Duke Johnson could get more carries he would be better but until I think Gordon would crush it on the Texans because they just have been looking for a running back They had Lamar Miller was bad. Carlos Hyde has been serviceable. But Gordon, I think, would be great in Houston. Yeah, I can buy that. Craig?
Starting point is 00:34:45 I think I like him back on the Chargers. I mean, he's actually been quite good the past three years when he's played on the Chargers. He's had like two top seven campaigns. And I kind of think him and Echler and the way they coached the two of them are kind of like one needs of the other. And they both complement one another really well. But what about when Echler didn't have him and was like the number one running back in fantasy for like September? That's true. But I'm from a game from like a real football.
Starting point is 00:35:08 standpoint, I don't know if the charges preferred that. I think they would rather have the two of them. And I think they can both live in like the top 10 running back range together. That's so funny because it's like Gordon was the one who came back and said, I'm getting 10 to 15 carries. I can't do anything with that. I'm not getting enough snaps.
Starting point is 00:35:23 I can't get in a rhythm. It's just funny how it seems teams have kind of gone toward like subbing players out, but then certain players are saying, you know, I can't get in a rhythm and stuff. It's a whole load management conversation that we're getting into. Well, that's how you know we need to move on.
Starting point is 00:35:37 wide receivers, AJ Green, who has just spent a long time on the Cincinnati Bengals and might need to leave. Did not play last year. Didn't play in 2019. I think he's missed 13 games
Starting point is 00:35:50 over the previous two seasons for that. So he's obviously had a lot of injury issues, you know, and the Bengals are the Bengals. It doesn't seem like he really wants to stay there. It sounds like Joe Burrow was kind of making a pitch for the Bengals to keep him
Starting point is 00:36:05 because he's a presumptive first overall pick. he will want some weapons to throw to in that offense so he can get off on, you know, get off on the right foot and hit the ground running and all that. But, you know, Green is kind of one of those guys that. He's getting a little bit older. Obviously, he's produced in the past. So I don't know. I don't know what's best for him.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Honestly, like, when I was thinking about this, I think it's probably best for him to stay in Cincinnati. Just based on some of the history of guys receivers going to new teams in the past, I do think it would be nice to see him play with Burrow. I think Burroughs was a really beautiful deep ball and could hit Green down the sideline. I think some of the other Cincinnati receivers like John Ross kind of a mess. So he could kind of provide some stability in that offense.
Starting point is 00:36:52 But we're waiting into real life stuff because I think AJ Green staying in Cincinnati would be great for real life because, you know, one, Burrow actually has someone like everything you just said and also just he's been there long enough and the fact that he would leave right when Burrow gets there is kind of cruel. But from a fantasy perspective, you think that the best place for him fantasy-wise in 2020 is to stay in Cincinnati?
Starting point is 00:37:14 Yeah, I do. Well, I think Burrow is really good, first of all. And we've seen rookie quarterbacks come in and do really well. I mean, Kyler Murray did it last year. So I don't necessarily think it's like a bad place for him to be. I think that Bro can come in and play well right away, especially if they kind of put together an offense that he feels comfortable doing. doing where they're doing a lot of the same stuff they did at LSU with, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:38 five-man, six-man protections and all that. You know, I think in theory, there's a world where I can see Green going off with borough under center. And I do, like, going back to this, I think it's always just risky putting a veteran receiver on a different team. I don't know. It's just like a lot of those don't really pan out. I mean, look at Mohammed Sunnu.
Starting point is 00:37:57 That's not a one-to-one. All right, let's never compare Egypt to Muhammad Sunu ever again. Okay. but it has happened multiple times in the past with veteran receivers going to new teams it just doesn't work out especially right away sometimes it works out eventually but the transition is there
Starting point is 00:38:13 and I just don't know if like honestly for fantasy-wise it would be best for green to go somewhere else either speaking of veteran receivers changing teams I don't know why but if I don't know if this I mean this probably is not the best fantasy fit because I guess he could go play for the Packers and Aaron Rogers but I can really see AJ Green
Starting point is 00:38:31 going to the Raiders Doesn't that just make sense? It just feels right. He'd be their number one receiver. Yeah, and it's kind of where receivers go to die when they're veterans. Randy Moss, Antonio Brown, Jordy Nelson. It just feels so right that with their move to Las Vegas, they want to bring in a big name, a future Hall of Famer.
Starting point is 00:38:48 He gets in. He has like maybe 1,000 yards on 68 catches and 7 touchdowns, and I think that might be the best option. That was, like, extremely specific for how you were saying of that whole thing. It was hilarious. I just see him as a raider. Maybe 68 catches 1,000.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Doesn't that make a ton of sense? Yeah, I mean, it does for sure. I mean, they need a receiver badly. I don't think getting green when he's 30 makes a ton of sense for them. But if he was there, I mean, he would be the number one guy immediately. He would be a great. But I think the only place that I actually like him more than Oakland,
Starting point is 00:39:20 I'm never going to get that right, by the way. Yeah. I'm supposed to call them Las Vegas. I will start doing that in 2022. That is the first year I will, on first reference, call them. We're just starting to get over the San Diego thing. You know what I mean? It's like they can't switch it again.
Starting point is 00:39:32 get on us and now we got a Vegas and and a... I feel like one out of eight times I hear Tom Brady just wants to play in San Diego whenever it's the Chargers are coming up. Anyway, I like AJ Green and the Dolphins, which sounds crazy. But from a fantasy perspective, if the Dolphins defense is still going to be awful next year, they're still going to be passing all the time to be catching up. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is still going to be the quarterback for them, at least in 2020.
Starting point is 00:39:54 Like, obviously it changes a little if they go with a like a rookie. But I think it fits as the quarterback and they're just slinging it again. AJ Green and Devonter Park was actually a pretty good office. offense, especially when they're playing prevent defenses. I just kind of love actually, AJ Green. Just, I mean, terrible for real life, AJ Green. I would feel awful. But that's kind of like a James Godwin and Evans thing.
Starting point is 00:40:12 You know, Fitzpatrick Green and Parker? You mean the top two like receivers in football through 14 weeks in fantasy? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Thank you. Next up. Amari Cooper. Probably going back to Dallas. But if he does not, what's the best spot for him? I put them on the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:40:28 I think they're another team that desperately needs like a number one receiver you know, they've, last year, obviously they had a ton of injuries at the position, but get Cooper, you know, he could potentially give Carson Wentz to kind of boosts that Cooper gave to Dak Prescott in Dallas. I think it would be the stupidest thing in the world for the Cowboys to move on from Cooper and not keep him. But if they're going to let him go, a team like the Eagles makes some sense to me
Starting point is 00:40:56 just because he immediately dropped in and be, you know, the number one for them and potentially give them a chance to really kind of get once going in the right direction again. What's up with Alshan Jeffrey this year? I just think he's not super reliable for them. Like he just hasn't been able to stay on the field, so they're probably going to either end up eating his contract. I mean no ill will towards Alshan Jeffrey, the person, but I'm going to say this. I just wish he wasn't a fantasy option anymore.
Starting point is 00:41:22 I hate seeing his name on like round five of the draft. You're like, damn, dude, do I do it? Do I really want to do Alshon Jeffrey this entire year and deal with this? It's horrible. His contract's guaranteed for 2020. So Talk about purgatory,
Starting point is 00:41:40 fantasy purgatory. I mean, he has like three good weeks a year that just like keep you hanging around. It's like the X that keeps coming back and he's like, one more shot. And you're like,
Starting point is 00:41:48 fine. All right. I'm not in. I'm not in anymore. I'm ready to cut the cord on Alshot. I'm done. I want to be single again. Cooper's going back.
Starting point is 00:41:58 Do you remember the last time you were burnt? I'm more interested in the last time Craig was burned by Alshan Jeffrey. I've had Alshan Jeffrey many times in my fantasy career. And you're done. My long tenured fantasy career. Yes. I'm finally done.
Starting point is 00:42:11 So the one, you know what? That says more about you. That whole thing was more about you than Alshan Jeffrey. Alshan, I hope you're not offended. Amari Cooper and the Cowboys, I just wanted, this is real life. I'm breaking the rules here. D.K., you mentioned it would be dumb for them to get him? Yes.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Sorry, dumb for the Cowboys to let Amari Cooper go. one thing worth noting, they're probably going to have to make Dak Prescott the highest paid player in football to keep. Which is just because of inflation. I know that always makes people angry every year that mediocre quarterback X is the highest paid player. It's inflation.
Starting point is 00:42:44 The salary cap is bigger every year and players' salaries don't rise. So that's why. But they already have the most expensive offensive line in football. They just gave Ezekiel Elliott the most expensive running back contract in football. They're about to probably make Dak Prescott
Starting point is 00:42:58 the highest paid player in football, at least for, until someone else signs Mahomes or whatever. Then they would have to make Cooper one of the five most expensive receivers. So it's not a lock to me that he comes back. They need to, they need to bring him back. It would be kind of wild to sign Prescott
Starting point is 00:43:13 and not bring Cooper back, but they are just locked into that team. So fantasy-wise, where do you want them? I think it's the Cowboys are the best spot for him, fantasy-wise, and in real life, because the Cowboys are going to be paying him, him and Dak combined like $75 million, different numbers, $55 million
Starting point is 00:43:32 combined, and it's to throw to Amari Cooper. I think he will get the most targets in Dallas because there's not much behind him. There's just Michael Gallup and some spare parts, so I think he would just get a ton of targets. Let's move on to Robbie Anderson,
Starting point is 00:43:46 a little bit lower on the kind of the totem pole of talented. You don't think of Robbie Anderson and Marri Cooper and AJ Green's like side by side? I'm not sure. We can put them all in the same team. This free agent receiver class is not good, by the way. Robbie Anderson's thing is speed, right? He ran a 4-4 at the combine. I mean, I have him going to the Eagles, basically,
Starting point is 00:44:05 to replace Deshaun Jackson's role. He's not as fast as Deshaun at his peak, but I mean, he's younger than Deshaun is. No, he's definitely a deep threat for sure. Exactly. And I think the Eagles offense is just over and over again. We've seen under Doug Peterson, they're just a different team when they have that speed element. The Super Bowl season, it was Tori Smith. They didn't have Tori Smith in 2018. It showed. And then when they had Deshawn, like week one last year, they were world-breaking, and they never got the speed element back, and it's so much harder for Zach Ertz and people to attack the seams in their defenses when they don't have that speed element, and they need it back with Robbie Anderson.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Yeah, I would have put the Eagles, too, but I had the Eagles for a Cooper. So I went with Cardinals because I think the Cardinals probably will want to address their offensive line and or defense in the draft, maybe wait on receiver. But I still think they need some receivers to really get that off. offense going in the right direction. Last year they were playing with like Demir Bird. Some of their just random guys in their receiver core, you know, Larry Fitzgerald is not getting any younger.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Christian Kirk, I think, is an ascending player, but he's still not even necessarily like a lock solid, you know, sure bet at receiver. So I think getting more talent in the Cardinals' receiver core is actually a pretty big priority for them. And I think Anderson is perfect because is Kyleor Murray throws an amazing deep ball.
Starting point is 00:45:28 He was one of the best deep ball passers in the NFL. He just can put it on a dime down the field. Anderson, like you just mentioned, is a great deep threat. Consistently gets up and downfield. So I think that would be a fun fit if it wasn't the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:45:40 I think the Eagles makes a lot of sense. Real football. Cardinals, to me, make a lot of sense for fantasy too, though. I like that one. I would actually put him on the Steelers. I think that'd be really fun. I think the Steelers are missing
Starting point is 00:45:49 that Martavis Bryant-like speed, especially with the way like Ben improvises. I could just totally see Robbie Anderson being that guy who gets loose 50 yards down the field when Ben is scrambling around for seven minutes. And Juju's not really that guy. Unless I think that there is definitely a chance with how deep this wide receiver draft classes that the Steelers dip their toe in that. But I wouldn't mind Robbie Anderson on Pitt.
Starting point is 00:46:09 I think that'd be fun. So my question for that is... Sure, the witness of Steelers fan. Yes, D.K. Well, because Craig is the resident Steelers fan. So does that mean that you're not high on James Washington or Deontay Johnson? or who is it? It seems like they have a pretty good
Starting point is 00:46:25 core three guys going forward, Washington, Deonte Johnson, and Juju. You think? I don't know if I would describe that as a strong core. I don't know. James Washington is really up and down, and I think Deonti Johnson has potential. I think Deontes is fantastic.
Starting point is 00:46:39 I'd like to see. I guess James Washington is kind of the question mark is in your mind, the biggest question mark. Now, I'd rather move on, and the Steelers are so good at evaluating wide receivers. I think that if they like Robbie or they want to draft somebody, I mean. Speaking of moving on,
Starting point is 00:46:54 Prasad Perriman on the Buccaneers. He could be another steeler. He might not be on the Buccaneers. Yeah, he could be a stealer. He could be anywhere. Bershad, I mean, I think the real question here is, do we actually think he's good? He looked pretty, he honestly looked really good.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Did he look great or was it, did we just miss that he was in the Buccaneers' offense and James was not going to stop throwing to him just because he wasn't open. Dude, he made some nice catches. And he's fast. He was exactly what, I think. think the Ravens thought he would be able to just took him five years to get there because he was
Starting point is 00:47:24 injured for the first four years or whatever. He didn't drop a target in his last three games. He was legitimately good in that short stretch. Does that mean he's really good? I don't know. But, I mean, again, we're talking about a former first rounder, so there was the talent was always there. It's just a matter of, you know, it took him forever to kind of get to get to the point where he could be a contributor in NFL.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Is he the next Devante Parker? Yeah, that is the question. That is the question. Therein lies the question. I want to see him on the chiefs. I can't believe we haven't... I can't believe we haven't talked about giving any receiver to the Chiefs yet
Starting point is 00:47:57 because the Chief's offense is just... Well, why would that be good for fantasy? Because you're going to get buried. You're the third option at best. Why would any receiver in the Chiefs be a good fantasy option? This is under the assumption they get rid of Sammy Watkins. There's still plenty of...
Starting point is 00:48:09 But still, Sammy Watkins sucked in fantasy. Like, why would you want the third receiver from the Chiefs on your team? Because I feel like that didn't work out all year. I don't think Sammy Watkins is good. But, like, there's Tyree Kill and Kelsey. So, like, are you going to be... What match made in heaven is like you're the third target on the team.
Starting point is 00:48:24 So do you think he's going to go somewhere and be the number one? Who? For shot. No. No, I don't think he, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think he, I don't, I don't think there's a situation. I don't, I don't think there's a situation that's. What about Green Bay? I don't, uh, Green Bay maybe.
Starting point is 00:48:38 Yeah, I guess Green Bay more than the others. I guess, I guess actually the Packers probably are the best one. I would rather him in Green Bay than the Chiefs because I don't think he's a way better chance of becoming the second option in Green Bay's offense than the Chiefs. I feel like the third option in the Chiefs off. is way better than the second option in a Packers offense. Well, that's just an Aaron Rogers thing. Depends if you have trust because there's kind of like the Devante.
Starting point is 00:48:57 And then in Green Bay, it's like there's one number one and there's like 10 number fives. And if you're one of the number fives, it's also. But if you can get, you know, it's just there's a packing order that has kind of been hollowed out through two through four in that for the last few years. Before we get out of here, let's do a couple of these tight ends where they're going to end up. I know we said Hunter Henry. Looks like he's going to return to San Diego.
Starting point is 00:49:19 I'm sticking with that. but where would you like to see him if he could go anywhere? I put him on the Colts, kind of in the Eric Ebron role. D.K. wants everybody on the Colts. Well, yeah, I do, because they're like a fantasy wasteland. So I just want somebody to... That's a hell of an endorsement. Fantasy wasteland. Put them there. Match made in heaven.
Starting point is 00:49:40 Do you guys remember two years ago when Eric Ebron caught 13 touchdowns? That's kind of what I'm imagining, obviously. And you screen for the rooftops. It was bullshit. What was bullshit? That Eric Ebrun's season. Anomily, an aberration. Go ahead, Danny. Who would you like?
Starting point is 00:49:57 Danny? Oh, I was just throwing him out to the Patriots. I just think he should actually like... I think Hunter Henry would be the number one receiver of the Patriots. I think he should just attach to Tom Brady and become a duo. Wherever Tom Brady goes, Hunter Henry goes. I would love that. I think there were...
Starting point is 00:50:13 Because with it comes to a tight end, when I think of a match man in heaven, you want to put him on a team where they could be the number one receiver. Like Darren Waller was the number one receiver for the old. Clinton Raiders. He's a tight end, but he's the number one. Honor Henry could be the number one. I mean, Edelman's getting a little older. Worst case, he's number two. He's better than every non-Eddleman receiver the Patriots have. Whoever's quarterback there, I think he actually would get more targets in New England
Starting point is 00:50:33 than any other team I can think of. You could put him on the Bengals. Well, no, I wouldn't do that anyone. No, I have a soul. Austin Hooper? Craig, middle school nemesis. I hate to say this, but... Falcons tight end, who might not be in the Falcons. I think the Steelers, actually... You want him on your team.
Starting point is 00:50:51 I don't want him. This is a fantasy. I'm just compartmentalizing. You're being selfless and putting your own ego to the side and being like for the sake of this podcast bit. Yes, I am willing to, yes. I think the Steelers would be pretty solid. It's just juju. He'd be number two immediately.
Starting point is 00:51:07 And he's athletic. And the last four Steelers tight ends have kind of been like big sloggers. And it would be nice to have a guy like Hooper and I think he'd get a ton of targets. Especially because they don't really throw to guys like James Connor as much as everybody thought they would after Levion left. Quick pivot. DK, do you think Hunter Henry or Austin Hooper is better when healthy? Henry landslide.
Starting point is 00:51:28 I'm so glad we agree. Yeah, I don't think Hooper's that great. No, he's fine. Agree, I endorse that. Speaking of that point, Eric Ebron, still just 27 years old, I paired him up with the Falcons, who I believe are just pretty much letting Hooper go in free agency,
Starting point is 00:51:44 which to me says a lot about how they view Hooper as kind of like a cog in the machine rather than like a creator on his own. You know, I don't necessarily think Ibron is a great player, but, you know, his age, his experience, coming off his injuries,
Starting point is 00:52:02 he's going to be cheap. Putting him in that Falcon's offense, I think he would be a pretty interesting fantasy factor going forward. At a position, again, where there's just not a lot of dudes that you can really rely on. So I kind of like Ierun in Atlanta
Starting point is 00:52:14 taking over that Hooper role. Yeah, he just needs a plug-and-play. Part of the reason Hooper's leaving Atlanta is because the Falcon Cap is really tight. I think the GM Thomas Demetro said that we're not in cap hell, which maybe they're not, but you had to say it, and that's how you know the cap situation is really bad. So Ebron is going to be much cheaper because of the injury issues from last season than, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:32 Hooper will if they had a franchise tag him. So that makes sense to Atlanta, but the same reason is why I put him to Dallas, actually, because I think the Cowboys desperately needed Tiden, but they don't have the money to go get, you know, Hunter Henry or someone. So they've got to take the gamble on Eric Ebron and just pray that he's healthy instead of just rolling back Blake Jarwin again or Jason Witten's mummified corpse. That's a nice one. I like that.
Starting point is 00:52:52 So, I think Ebron would be the perfect cowboy because he would be so frustrating and so rewarding to them on a weekly, on like a play-to-play basis. It would be kind of amazing. And last but not least, the healthy Tyler Eifford. He is the least, but keep going. We had to throw him in there because literally least. People cannot give up on him, especially me. I want to see him with the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:53:13 I know there was some rumors last year that the Patriots wanted to get him in the Angles were like, no. Can we please just acknowledge the fact that I went through his injuries enlisted that he's never actually had a significant injury, and this is why he will play all 16 games. I can't believe I live... I can't believe I'm doing this with two Tyler Eifert Truthers. I literally nailed it.
Starting point is 00:53:32 I walked through every injury, and I was like, they don't make sense. He's not going to get hurt again. Danny, who are you a truther of? You just seem to poo-poo all the truthing. I think that's your thing. The New York Giants. Yeah. I'm just a Giants' truth.
Starting point is 00:53:43 You're a Daniel, are you a Daniel Jones truther? I thought the Giants could win the division last year. And I kept that to myself. I thought that... Good for you. I was still thinking they could make the playoffs in like week seven. Week nine. Until they were mathematically eliminated,
Starting point is 00:53:56 in the back, I didn't... I mean, in that division, it's not even that. In my heart of hearts, I believed until like almost like Halloween, I was like, the Giants are making the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Hey, blind faith is what sports is all about. Good for you. They don't call it fan for nothing. I have fanaticism. You know what actually woke me up out of that? My deep and dreamless slumber of John said? Oh, you're woke now? the giants have the worst record in the last three years.
Starting point is 00:54:20 That's tough. That includes the Cleveland Browns going 0-16. And the dolphins existing. The dolphins existing, but like, whatever. Like, they had 10. The Browns went 0-N-16. So if you just take the current NFL and expand back to the time that the Browns on 016, the Giants have a worst record.
Starting point is 00:54:35 And that was how I realized they're the worst team in football. I think Tyler Eifford would be a great giant. Never do that, ever. How dare you? He'd be great because they're going to give her to it. Angram. They're going to get rid of Evan Ingraham. Why would they get rid of Evan Engram?
Starting point is 00:54:50 They're going to get rid of Evan Ingram? How dare you? Matthew Barry from ESPN wrote he'd heard at the combine that the Giants aren't sold that he can ever stay healthy. You know who'd be a great... Oh, so they get Tyler Eifert because their tight end can't stay healthy? He'd be a great replacement is Tyler Eifert. He's the picture of health. It's like this roof is leaking, so we replace it with like a water slide.
Starting point is 00:55:14 Like what... I'm kidding. Have you purposely triggered me? Yes, I have. You wrote retirement, which is just rude. How dare you say that about Tyler Ifer? Let's add Alshan Jeffrey to that pool as well. Let's make a retirement.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Go fund me to retire. But we're going to retire this podcast. This was the Tennessee Football podcast. Thank you, D.K. Did you have anything else you wanted to add? No, that's it. That's all I got. Yeah, it's Tyler I for the Giants.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Thank you, D.K. I can tell. Everyone listening to that wasn't in doubt. Thank you, Craig. thank you to everyone fixes this roof. Please come. Thank you to everyone for listening.

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