The Ringer NFL Show - ‘GM Street’ — Rapid Reactions and Awards for Week 3 (Ep. 146)

Episode Date: September 25, 2017

The Ringer's Michael Lombardi and Tate Frazier huddle up to discuss the most memorable moments from Sunday's games (03:00), underperforming quarterback performances (05:45), impending story lines for this week (16:30), and wrap up by handing out some awards for Week 3 (25:30). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and I just took a long flight back from North Carolina just to see your beautiful face on this Monday morning. Mike Lombardi, Lombardi, how you doing? I'm good, Tate, Frazier. I'm good. I'm excited. What a great weekend. We finally got through the preseason,

two weeks of preseason, regular season called preseason. And now we actually, yesterday was really a fun day. I had the Bob Lamont Bowl. You know what the Bob Lamont Bowl is? I do not. Please explain. The Bob Lamont Bowl is he's a famous, he's Mike Holmgren's history teacher.

Okay. Okay. Who became an agent. Oh, okay. He represented Mike Holmgren. And then he represented all of Mike Holmgren's guys. So he's got Andy Reid. So he's a coach agent.

And so he represents Ben McAdoo, and he represents Doug Peterson. So I call it the Bob Lamont ball because basically Lamont kind of got both guys their job there. He got, because he convinced the Eagles to buy in on Peterson. To buy in on Peterson when they couldn't get McAdoo. Okay. So he's responsible for both franchises. So I think next time they play, he should do the coin toss. So we should blame him for the NFC East, for all that, for half of it at least.

No, no, not half of it. He has Jay Gruden, too. Oh, wow. He has Jay Gruden, too. So, yeah, no, it's the Bob Lamontball. And he has Howie Roseman, the GM of the Eagles. It's fascinating. There's so much intrigue in there.

I don't know if I'm going to write that. That's not going to be in this book because I actually did write a little bit about it, but my editor's like, maybe we should leave that alone for another book. And I think I'll do that. I like how you're letting the brand hold up. You're going to spread it out into different books. Try to. Yeah.

I don't want to be one time. I mean, I ain't Peter Frampton. You know what Peter Frampton is? No. Was he Rolling Stones, maybe? No, no. He was some, when I was growing up, okay, you had to have Frampton comes alive. That was an album.

Like, if you didn't have that album in your collection, you were nobody. But he really had like no successful album other than Frampton came alive. It's like one of the most ridiculously selling albums of all time. But that was the only album he's really had. And he still plays songs from that album. I'd go hear and play those songs. But that would be that. I don't want to be Frampton.

Okay. Although Frampton is successful, though. I don't want you to be Frampton either. Let's go back to football. Here's the key. This weekend. I want to name the weekend, right? Yes.

it's false face weekend okay you know who false face is yes we were just talking about this earlier it's a perfect microcosm of what we saw this weekend where we thought a lot of things just like we talked about in our segment you think you know a lot but you really don't know that's right here that's why i put the sign over here and if you don't know die now you know we're going to shout out to bigie pop on this one yeah i mean because like this weekend like you think you know but you really don't know like you think pittsburgh was a good team and then they go into chicago and lose an overtime to chicago like how does this happen but then last year in week two or week three, they lose in Philadelphia. They get killed in Philadelphia.

They have a bad weekend. Jacksonville destroys the Ravens. Everybody's on Twitter. Lombardy, you said the Ravens were good on defense. Yeah, I think they are pretty good on defense, but they weren't good last, they weren't good yesterday. Best home field advantage in football in London for the Exximo Jaguars? I think that's the first time they won over there, isn't it? Well, they finally blew it out. They finally got comfortable. Their fans over there, you know, cheering, chanting, all about it.

So I was happy for the Jaguars. It's finally a home game they can win. I really liked watching it, too. It was fun. It was like perfect. And I got a phone call from, somebody that was played in the game last night, like around 10 o'clock. So they're already back in the United States. Like that was pretty good.

Like I'm thinking they're already back in the United States. That's a really quick turnaround. They were back by one. It was East Coast time. So they were back by one. So that's like way earlier than the Raiders are going to get home from Washington last night. Yeah. So it wasn't too bad.

But then like you go through it all. Like, okay, we think Seattle's good on defense and they go give up all those yards to DeMarco Murray and Henry and Russian. Okay. we think Tampa's good. They lose to Case Keenham. All right? We think...

Handily to Case Keenum. It wasn't even a game. I mean, that really wasn't even a game. I mean, we think Oakland's good, and they get handled by the Redskins. I mean, there's like 10 points. I mean, you're at the Carolina game. You think they're good? No, I do not.

I was at the Carolina Saints game yesterday, and that first drive, they go down. It looks like a promising drive. Cam Newton looks like he's back at it. They get held to a field goal, and from then on out, it was the Saints offense all day. So, no, they're not very good. And their defense didn't show up for once. And everybody's talked about Miami.

Okay. Shout out to my man Mick here. The Jets win, yay, JETS, Jets, Jets, Jets, Jets, Jets, they dominated the game. Like, they dominated the game. And I think that was really kind of like last week, Miami beat the Chargers and shouldn't have won. I mean, if the field goal kicker for the Chargers, I can't pronounce his name. Young Way Coo, whatever. Okay.

I mean, if he makes the kick, the Chargers, the Miami's 0 and won. So they acted all confident. And they come into the Jets and they get stoned. I mean, they got, they're going to blame Jay Cutler for the loss. He was already hit his head down. He's already dejected Jay color that we all know. Right. But he didn't play defense.

They couldn't stop them. I mean, they couldn't stop them. So it was to me, it was like, you think you know this team's good, but it really wasn't. To me, that's what jumped out. Can we talk about some of these quarterbacks that we think they know? There was a lot of guys that are quote unquote, on the verge of being a top tier quarterback. We saw the top tier quarterbacks at work. We saw Tom Brady, you know, make his magic happen again with Brandon Cooks.

We saw Aaron Rogers and Jordy Nelson hook up. Right. But then we saw some guys like Philip Rivers, Joe Flack. Lacko, guys in that second tier, Eli Manning, and they just look like they are completely disheveled. Cam Newton, Russell Wilson. They're just all in this weird line where they're just not playing like the guys we know. You know, and I think you almost have to break that group down. Like Russell Wilson, I'm not ready to put him in that.

Like, there's a problem with Russell Wilson because he's getting hit. It's really been kind of hard for him. So I'm going to keep him out of it. I mean, I think Tennessee did a really good job. They play really good. But like you take Philip Rivers. Like I love Philip Rivers, but I can't make excuses for Philip Rose anymore. I mean, there are 0 and 3.

he can't stop throwing the ball to the other team. He did it last year. He cost them games. I mean, for the Chargers to be 0 and 3 is really a crime. Like, I think if you took, if you woke up Bill Parcells and he was at Saratoga, they said, look, Bill, enough playing the horses. Come out here and coach the Chargers for like six weeks. The Chargers would win six games.

I mean, they're too good to be 0.3. They really are. I always do the Eli Philip Rivers, you know, because obviously the trade that happened. They're both 0 and 3. If we swap them. So if we sent Eli to the Chargers and we sent rivers to the Giants, are we still 0 and 3? Is it really falling on those guys' shoulders? I don't know if rivers would tolerate.

Do you realize how many slants were thrown in the giant? It was like a slant festival. Like, you know, in Philadelphia, they have this Italian festival. It's the feast they call it down in South Philly. It's like every September. Well, they should have. Oh, it's unbelievable. Food down 9th Street.

It's incredible. You know, the street Rocky ran down. It's like, it's unbelievable. It's a great cheese whiz around, I'm sure. Oh, no cheese whiz. I'm going to change your ass. Anyway, so the point here is. this, is that there's so much stuff going on. There's a festival for it, right? There should be a

festival for all the slants, the Giants run. Like, Philip Rivers would die running all those slants. I mean, they have the best player at the receiver, Odell Beckham, and yet all they do is run slants. I mean, it was really unbelievable. So I think you could switch those guys. I think the case, I think Eli would look really bad in the Chargers offense. I think Rivers would be okay in the Giants offense, but he wouldn't be great. But when you just look at Eli and the Giants team, I mean, everyone was all hyped up about O'Dell. He had some great catch yesterday. Obviously, the two touchdowns.

There's the first two highlights. I mean, it's the most amazing thing. Odell is unbelievable. They lose the game, and all you see, he gets the play of the game. You get everything. It's all about O'Dell. Forget the fact they lost. Nobody mentions that.

That's what, to me, is unbelievable. I want to talk about just one thing that stood out to me, too, when we're talking about the five things that jumped out. Jacoby Preset, he had a Byron Lefich type play. I know a lot of people may have not watched Brian Lefich, but he did this little, like, Perry, A, little spin move, and he got out, and he ran in for a touchdown. He's about 80 pounds later than Byron left.

Yeah, but he looks big out there, and he looked like a real quarterback for the Colts. I was impressed. Yeah, you got to wonder how they started Scott Tolzino over Jacoby Brissette. I mean, at least that gave him a chance. You know, the Browns were favored in the game, and Jacoby Brissette put up 28 on him. And if they watched the game closely, you know our boy Peppers? Yep. You remember our boy Peppers, how everybody said he's a great player.

I read about it all summer, how great he is. I think people should study that Brown's tape about how the Colts went after Peppers when he's playing cover two, and they attacked him down the middle field because what we talked about when he was at Michigan, Michigan hit him. That's what they tried to do with them. And yesterday, the Browns didn't hide them.

And what you saw yesterday was the Colts get 31 points going after him. I think that was interesting. It's going to be fascinating to see how the Browns kind of, I know they drafted him in the first round, how they're going to manipulate peppers and tea if he's really a safety because he can't play in the back end of the field.

And let's talk about the other guy on the other side of football for the Browns or other rookie Deshaun Kaiser leads to league in interceptions. He's kind of having some growing pains. but I mean at times he still looks like a guy. It's the worst place to be in football. It's the worst place to be in football.

Is he good enough? Is he not good enough? Like, are they going to not draft a quarter? This is what we talked about this summer. It's the worst place to be. Either he's great or you have to go get a quarterback. Like if he's not great and to me, you know, and so he got yards in the fourth quarter.

He made a comeback. Like, I didn't see that clearly as a comeback. I saw that him as they're getting back. Like they never had control of that game. They never going to get control the game. I mean, look, the Browns are what? One in 18 in the last 19. games. I mean, like at some point, all this money ball stuff has to translate into wins or else

it's just going to be like my 76ers just keep losing. And one more team I want to talk about, can we just talk about the Raiders? I know we brought them up earlier, but a lot of people thought that they were a team that was in the Patriots, the upper echelon of the AFC, a team that's going to compete. And they go out and kind of lay up a dud. I mean, Kirk Cousins looks great in that game. He started the Bay Area rivalry. I can already see Kirk Cousins getting his open head out. But it fits the false face narrative. That was not a Raider team I was expecting to see. Like they didn't play, I mean, their defense isn't good by no means. I mean, they're not great on defense.

We gave them a lot of credit last week, so I think we should have tempered our expectations. Well, yeah, I mean, but that was, like I said it last week, though, the Jets were moving the football. It's 14 to 10 until they turned the ball over at the end of the half. But when you watch the Raiders last night, it almost looked like that, you know, Cooper's dropping the ball. I mean, he's throwing checkdowns on third and eight, and he's just taking the checkdowns. I mean, Carr didn't look like he was really into the game. And then they, you know, the right tackle for the Raiders is going to be a problem all year. I mean, Marshall Newhouse is going to be where people.

attack. And I think that that's what they did. And I thought, Kerrigan, I think Jim Tomasula has done a tremendous job with the Redskins defensive front in terms of how they rush the passer. If you want to study the best way to affect a great quarterback in the NFL, watch that Redskin tape and how they rushed the passer. I thought that was probably the best part of the weekend. We should give Ryan Kerrigan credit. I feel like a lot of times we talk about these pass rushers and his name is, for whatever reason, not quite brought up, but he has always caused it and havoc in the back job. And he really did last night. And they were in the paint. They got in the car's face. They created some problems.

from the first play of the game on. That was the first time I didn't see him feel like the dare car that's been composed. He looked like he was rush a little bit, he made some bad throes. He was out of his element a little bit. But everybody was. I mean, look at it. Can you imagine we are in a weekend where Case Keenham won a game, okay? Jacoby Brissette won a game.

Yes. Philip Rivers is 0 and 3 and Eli Manning's 0.3. I mean, that's the NFL today. I mean, can you imagine? That's like unbelievable. It's a beautiful game. But when rules come into play, we have to talk about, I think the biggest story of the day was the reception, the Detroit Lions, they come down 3026.

Yeah. We have to deal with a 10-second runoff. We have a touchdown pass. It looks like a Golden Tate touchdown to win the game over the Falcons. We review it. His knee was down. He was touched down. I couldn't tell it.

Did you see it as it was down? I thought it was a- When I saw it live, it looks 100% a touchdown. So did I. When they do slow it down, there is a finger on him on his shoulder and his knee is down. And I guess that, you know, he is a half-yard short at that point. But when the rules are coming in this much and they're like it changing it out, there's no way that's not a touchdown 20 years ago.

It was a tough weekend for the officials in the NFL, really. I mean, that's the other part, I think, about the five things that jump out at you on the weekend, even though we gave about 25 things here, is the, you know, starting with the Thursday night game and the, you know, the mysterious OPI call that happened, which I have no idea where it was. To that call, like I get that. Blandino confirmed it up in the Fox booth. He said it was. They did a really good job. From my eye, I couldn't really tell.

but when they slow it, slow it, slow it down. I mean, it's a tough, to me, that's a tough way to lose a game. Detroit, I give them a lot of credit. Detroit plays hard. Detroit plays harder and tougher, and they find a way to keep staying in games. I've actually been impressed with Detroit for three weeks. And Jim Carole gets a contract distinction. He has this great moment.

It looks like they just won this game with this great Matthew Stafford comeback win against the, you know, the NFC champions. And it all gets pulled back. What does that do psychologically to that team? Do you feel like they're going to bounce back and get over that? Sometimes I can linger. I think that, you know, one thing about them, they showed mental toughness. They went into New York.

They beat New York. They came back. I thought they would have gotten really beaten up pretty good. They get behind in games. I think that one thing that Calwell's team have are mental toughness. And I think it was the right thing to do for Detroit. I think Detroit had to extend Jim Carwell because to me, you know, that's the Art Modell theory of hiring. You know what the Art Modell theory of hiring is?

I'm going to tell you what it is. Okay. So Art Modell, Tate Fraser does 50 things really good, right? Yes. I don't know about that, but I'll take it. So, so Tate Fraser does 50 things really good. But then Tate Fraser only does three things bad. So in Art Modell's world of hiring, he would fire you for the three things you did bad.

And then he would hire Michael Lombie. Bill Simmons, don't listen to this. Oh, yeah, don't listen, Bill. And then he would hire somebody else that did those three things really well, right? Gotcha. Okay? But then that person that he hired that did those three things really well, only does 20 other things good. So now Art's 17 down in the hole.

So like when you're looking at trying to make a change in a coach, do I fire this guy because I don't really like all the things he does, or do I keep them? But I think Jim Carwell, when you're Bob Quinn, at the end of the day, you've got to say to yourself, that's probably the right move. Before we move on to the guest narrative's part, which I'm very excited about, I just have one last thing. When you look at Marvin Lewis in that situation, they have this big lead against Aaron Rogers, and it looks like the Bengals maybe have found some new life.

They look like a team that maybe can bounce back, turn this thing around, and then they let Aaron Rogers just rip their heart out at the end of the game. Marvin Lewis, I mean, they looked dejected. I mean, that team, was that the final call for this? version of the bingles? Are they going to still just lean on them and hope that they figured out at some point? I think the lean on it. But to me, I wish sometimes a coach, when they had a lead playing on the road, we'll call the team together and say, look, fellas, the scoreboard is insignificant here. It's zero to zero. Like, at some point,

we got this lead because we played carefree. And then all of a sudden, we stopped playing carefree. And I think Tony Romo said it really well in the game. I mean, Tony was all over it. He was great. He was great in the sense that you've got to come out and you got to keep attack and you can't run the ball on first down into a strong safety blitz. I mean, you've got to be able to throw it. You've got to take advantage of your skill set and don't back off. And I think that's the separation. I think sometimes that people end up, you know, there's an old line in one of those songs that, you know, you don't count your money while you're sitting at the table. I think the Bengals were counting their money while they're sitting at the table. I think they were too. I feel bad for

Andy, I do. I was really hoping that. I don't feel bad for Andy. Because he could have checked out of the, I mean, Andy Dalton's colorblind. I'm convinced he's colorblind. He had three guys wide open on a play. He didn't throw it to any of them. Like, he has to be colorblind. Like, perhaps they should just wear orange jerseys all the time to help him. Like, I would really recommend strongly he go for a color test because there's guys running wide open. You don't throw the ball. He just, he misses, I don't feel sorry for him. Muhammad Sunoo was the worst thing when he left that team. They all fell apart. They have good, they put Tyler Boyd in there. They have my man Bannister from Wisconsin. They could run him in there. I mean, the Packers can't cover anybody.

Like, you could throw for seven or eight yards against the Packers anytime you want. Like, Why wouldn't you just do that? I don't know. Don't feel sorry for him, really, seriously. I just wanted to give him something. I feel like he's getting a lot of hate these days. I was trying to help Andy out. But you're right, you're right.

We're going to do a segment. It's called Guess the Narratives, where we watch all these games and we try to figure out what are the headlines are going to be on Monday. And then we're going to come back full circle and see if we were right. Okay.

So first up for you. We get four of them, right? Yeah, two for two. It takes two. And first, you, guess the narrative. What do you expect to see all over the TV when we're talking about the NFL from this past weekend?

I think there's going to be a lot of ESPN. Every camera is going to be at the New York Giants in the Meadowlands, really deciding on what's going to happen with my man, Macadou and Odell Beckham and that locker room. I think that locker room is going to be a very, very hot point for the week and the narrative of the week. Can they go? Can they continue to go forward? I mean, they're 0 and 3, which means for them to make the playoffs realistically now, and I'm not picking on McAdoo, but I am picking on McAdoo. For them to go, they have to win, they have to go 10.

and three. And if you look at that schedule, I mean, it's not, they go to Tampa next week. Tampa's coming off a loss, all right? If you look at that schedule, you say, wow, that's hard. Forget, but people say that. Like, that's the dumb. What I just said is the dumbest thing of all to say, right? Don't look at the schedule. Look how the team's playing. Yes. Right. Because it doesn't matter who they play. Of course. If they're playing like crap, they're going to lose to the crap teams, right? So, like, the way they play right now, I don't think they can beat anybody. So there's not 10 wins in the way they're playing. So for me, I think, the narrative is going to be what happens

with the Giants, who's the next coach of the Giants, what do they do with Eli? There's so much intrigue. It's in New York. I think it's going to be bowling out. I think it'll be like nobody has to produce anything. All those Syracuse graduates that are producing shows in New York, they don't have to work at all this week. It's just going to flow right out.

It's a big week for S&Y. They're going to really hold it down. Oh my God. It's like, could you bet no better programming at all. I hope the Jets get some coverage for a win. No, they won't even. That's the thing we didn't even talk about. My man, Mick and the Jets are one and two and the Giants haven't won a game. I mean, who's the worst team in New York? The king of New York right now is the New York Jets.

Yeah, I mean, really. I mean, they could go to Arthur Avenue and all the pizza they want. My first guest in narratives, Cam Newton. Is this the end of the ride of Cam Newton? I think a lot of people are going to flip this whole thing. I was with a lot of fans. I was just talking to people yesterday at the stadium asking about Canada. He's been like a casino host at the game.

Yeah, well, they're like, we've seen this for now a year and a half and he's not, he's not coming back from it. Mike Shula. Someone's going to get in the chop of a blog. It's going to be Mike Schuller. It's going to be Cam. They're going to bench Cam for one of these games. They're never benching Cam. They're never, never benching Cam. They're never, ever, ever. It's like they're never benched Eli in New York. Like, look, just so we get this right. I mean, Eli's never getting benched and Cam's never getting benched. Oh, so that's never happening. There's a lot of people that are calling for Derek Anderson. For whatever reason, he is the most lovable backup I've ever seen. People like him more than Cam Newton and all these Carolina fans. He's making me so sick.

When they brought in the guy to testify before they brought in, one of my favorite characters, Frank Pantangley, and they said there's a lot of buffers in the mafia. Yeah, the mafia has a lot of buffers. Well, assistant coaches are buffers. Like, Cam and they have buffers before they're going to get hit. So like Cam and Eli, that's going to be Mike Shula. It's going to be Ben McAdoo, but it ain't going to be those guys.

All right. A lot of buffers. I hope not. They have a lot of buffers in it. I'm already ready for the full Camdood flip. Yeah, Senator. There's a lot of buffers in here. They're going to be all over that.

Number two, you're going to be. Yes, and there are this week? I think we're going to talk about officiating this week. I think there's going to be a lot of officiating talk. I think there's going to be back to the, you know, are we making the right calls? I think whether it's the 49er game, whether it's the lying game that you cited, whether it's the Vaughn Miller play that's going to get stuck under. Did you see the Von Miller play?

No. Vaughn gets called for a penalty when he pretends he's going to help Tyrod Teller up. Oh, yes, yes, yes. And then he pulls it back. And they both laughed at it. They were laughing at each other. It was a joke. And they called a 15-yard penalty. Now, look, I mean, the Bronco fans think they had a.

poorly officiated game, which it probably was. But I thought Buffalo would win the game. That's for another segment. But the reality of it is, I think the officiating, and when you watch this league and you see all these calls being made, I think that's going to be. It's week three of the season going into week four. I think officiating is going to be the topic of conversation. And I would tell you a better example of that I saw at the Panthers game.

Thomas Davis, he hits Mark Ingram, right as Ingram's going out of bounds pretty hard. And Teow gets up and they all kind of get in each other's face, a little scrum. and they go back out, Ingram watches the replay himself. No flag was called or anything. He watches the replay himself, sees that he was on the field. And then the next play, he goes overreacted. And they kind of like, he's like, my bad, I overreacted. I was still in play.

Right. Which is a good thing. But that's what I'm saying. The players, like, they're smart enough on their own. They're grown men. They can, you know, they're still playing a game. There's a sportsmanship there. The rest don't have to be involved in everything.

We don't need a mediator and arbitrator in every situation. Some of the times you can let the players figure it out on their own. And I'll take one more. Like Richard Sherman should have got thrown out of the game in Seattle. thrown out. That was the worst hit. He literally led with his helmet 100%. If it was in college, I mean, they would have thrown him out. But not only that, he was berating the official up until, to me, he should have been thrown out before that hit. Like, he was berating the official. At some point, like, when do you take the game over? So to me, I think that's going to be a conversation.

Like, he's going to get fined, a lot of money when you're going to say to yourself, what's the fine going to do? He's making so much money. Like, if they would have thrown him out of the game, it would have impacted the game more. I think that's going to be a conversation. My last one. the Raiders. I'm expecting a players-only meeting this week. Oh, it's too early for that. No, no, that's what I'm expecting. Derek Carr is going to have a...

Jack Del Rio took all the blame. He ended in his press conference. He said it was on him. I have to prepare better. I have to get this team better the usual coach stuff. But I feel like Derek Carr is going to call a little players-only-only meeting.

He's going to get everyone together, galvanize the group. It's a PR push. It's just a story. But all these Oakland Raiders fans, they were freaking out last night. Where's our team? This isn't the team we thought we had all this stuff.

Well, it was false-face weekend. It was false-faced weekend. I mean, that's really what it was, but I don't know if it's a little too early. Like, to me, I could see the Bengals having a team only meet. A Giants, definitely, I could see them having a team only meeting probably to talk about. Do you think Eli goes to the players only meeting or he just waits out? I don't know. Like, I don't know what you do if you're the Giants when you throw your quarterback under the bus like Macadoo did and then you lose the next week.

Like, and really, you lose to an Eagles secondary. And really, the Eagles played with guys in the back end that you would like say, wow. The Eagles walked off that field with a 61-yard field goal. Thankfully, they made it. The worst play in football for the whole weekend was the Giants allowing the Eagles to get in a field goal range. That was really bad. Like, if you see the spot of where Wenz throws the ball to Jeffries, like, there's no chance they should be. And if they tackle them in bounds, there's not even any attempt.

Like, that was really poor. Like, Bacadu could lose his job over just that situation. I think that's the other thing. Situational football has gotten worse and worse as we go through it. I just want to say, we've got to do. even Doug Peterson some harsh times here. You're not going to give him love, are you? I'm not going to give him love, but I will say it was a beautiful moment.

Those Eagles fans, they don't sell, you know, they got a little upset most of the time. So for to see them all together cheering and Ben McAdoo's hair that slicked back perfectly, kind of like rose up a little bit. It was good. I mean, Macadoo, I mean, we could really break down that game. We could almost do a segment. You know, what's that thing we do on where we go over movies, rewatchables? Oh, yeah, we could do a rewatchable of the Bob Lamont Bowl.

and lastly like left. Like third and one from the one inch line, he throws the fade over there. That's incomplete. And then on fourth and one, he runs the ball. Like, the Giants lose the game because they can't score in the red zone.

So anyway, so I'm during the game, it's fourth and eight at like almost midfield. And of course, naturally, your boy Peterson, he decides to go for it. Like, the Giants have no chance to really score. Like, they haven't moved the ball the entire first half, right?

So if he punts there, like they pin them deep and they're going to go into half. Half time seven nothing, right? But not Doug. He's playing Madden, right? So he's playing Madden. And he wants to fans on his side. Maybe that's why they like him, you know?

No, but that's the point I'm trying to make here. So Chris Carter tweets out that, Doug, that's the worst call ever. Stop listening to Philadelphia fans. I retweeted it. Then people start giving me shit for retweet. We didn't, nobody in the stadium wanted him to go for it. I'm like, I didn't say you did. I'm just, I retweeted with Chris Carter.

He's at the game. I mean, he was here. He's live there. He's live at the game. I didn't retweet it. I retweeted it. there. I figured he heard what they were saying. So they were no, nobody in Philly wanted him to do it. So even though Doug won, I think Doug revealed himself in that game.

I'm hoping Doug figures it out. No chance. All right, Lombardi, before we move on, we're going to take a quick break. Hey, it's Bill Simmons. I want to tell about the ringers gambling podcast. It is called Against All Odds with Cousin Sal. And you're not going to believe this, but it is hosted by Cousin Sal. The biggest degenerate gambler that I know. He's such a degenerate. He has three other degenerates. He calls the degenerate trifecta, and they break down every conceivable gambling thing you would ever want to gamble on. They even take it at Captain Morgan's Make Belief Casino, where Sal makes up props on all kinds of things, sports, pop culture, you name it.

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The awards of the week? Yeah, the awards of the week. We're going to run them down. I love how you have this all set up. So I'm just going to go along for the ride a little bit. All right. It's got to be some kind of pop culture reference. So to me, the first one is the KGB Award.

The team that really got bluffed. Okay. Like, you know, KGB kind of got bluffed. Have you watched that movie around us? Yes, I have. Is that, am I too old to watch that? No, that's good. I can watch it like I can watch it all the time.

But anyway, so to me, the team that got bluffed and kind of got faked out, I think are the Denver Broncos. Okay. I think the Buffalo Bills are good. I've said it before. I think Sean McDermott's a really good coach, also represented by Bob Lamont, so I just don't hate all of Bob Lamont's coaches, okay? Big fan of McDermott.

I've been a huge fan of McDermott since the day he got there, because I think McDermott gets culture. I think he gets – I think – I've never would ever said this, but LaShawn McCoy says things that I actually agree with now. Like, he's bought into the whole team concept. It's his team. I love it. He got traded from Philly because he wouldn't buy into the team at all. And so to me, I thought Buffalo, if you look at Trevor Simeon's record on the road, if you look at what he's been able to accomplish, it hasn't been very good. I think Buffalo beating Denver there to me was a shocker.

They played their hand. It was really well done. And I give Buffalo the KGB Award. I was really impressed with Tyrod Taylor. And the way that McDermott runs, Tyrod is a guy that's always been a bootleg quarterback in a certain way. But when he's out in space, it's like Russell Wilson. They play in a very similar style. He looks like he is in complete command of that offense.

and he's fun to watch. And they're a scary team when Tyrod's playing like he did yesterday. Look, they could be undefeated. If you watch the Carolina game closely, if you watch that game closely, I mean, if he hits Zay Jones over there on the sideline, they're going to be undefeated. I think this Bill's team, everybody's talking about Miami, I think the Bill's team is going to give the Patriots trouble.

I think they're going to give everybody trouble. I think they're really well coached. They have a really good culture. I think they're building something bigger than what everybody sees. I think they're sneaky good. I like Buffalo. So to me, I think Denver got duped. Denver, to me, got KGB.

They saw a hand. They went all in on and they couldn't win. Congrats to the Denver Broncos. I won an award this week. And then, of course, I got to give another award to my uncle, Fred Palermo, who's basically the architect of the cheesecake factory menu. So Fred Palermo believes that you can't go to a restaurant that has too many things on the menu because they can't cook them all good.

And I think that Jacksonville deserves the Fred Palermo for running the reduced menu, the beaten Baltimore in there. You know, check down Blake Bordles was really good yesterday. It was a Blake Borrow special. I was really happy for him. I mean, people are tweeting me, now do you think he's a good quarterback? Well, yeah, if he can throw check towns the whole game, sure, he looks good, you know? And they did a really...

That defense is something else, too. They did a really good job. And to me, Baltimore, lose and yonda. We talked about it last week. That was revealing. But I think the Fred Palermo Award this week goes to Jacksonville. I think they really deserve it. I would have never thought that the Jacksonville would have won an award in the first week we do award.

So I'm very proud of Jacksonville for overcoming that. I mean, look, they dominated the game. It wasn't even a game. I mean, like, I was walking the dogs. That was the other thing about it. It was really good. Like, I took Bella and Lana out for a walk with the game in my pocket. Like, I could listen to it in my thing.

It was remarkable. And I had to, I could actually watch, like, if there was a play. So I'm streaming. So I'm walking down, like, that path along the beach, you know. And I'm looking. I'm like, there. I can see. I mean, how good is that?

That's a life. That's really pretty good. As Bill Parcells would say, it would take a lot of that to kill you. It would take a lot of that to kill you. I like that. It would take a lot of that to kill you. All right. So, and then what's the third award is...

If you don't know, now you know, the notorious award of the weekend. Let's let them know. You now know that. You now know that. We should say historically, teams that have started 0 and 3, only three teams have made the playoffs. And it hasn't happened since 1998. Yeah.

So that's where we are, Giants fans. That's where we are, Bingles fans. Right. You know, we didn't even talk about this. I mean, we said Case Keenoms won a game. I mean, Jared Goff is two and one, and Eli and Rivers haven't won a game. game. To me, and the other one we haven't talked about, Ben, Ben,

if you go back and see that Eli, Ben, that draft right now, those quarterbacks haven't been the same. So, you know, to me, I think the Giants fit here, now you know, maybe the Bengals are here too is now you know. But to me, that was the weekend. I will say that whole class, I feel like of elite quarterbacks, you hit a wall at a certain point. I think all those guys are hitting that wall. And Brady was good enough to get past that wall and take it to the second phase of his career. And we didn't even talk about that. Like Brady, like that game, the Patriots almost, not almost, they should have stubbed their foot in the fourth quarter. I mean, Deshawn Watson was the real deal.

That was the first time a national champion had played the Super Bowl champion, the quarterbacks had faced each other, which was very cool, I thought. And Deshawn Watson looked like he was up to the task. He was a real deal. Every Patriots guy after the game, they were all going up to him. They're like, you're a real quarterback. Here's what I think people missed. And this is probably should have fit into the narrative of the week.

But I think this is really important is if you see Brady's reaction after the game to Deshaun and have that conversation, which they have, and Brady looking at him, and I know Tommy well, and looking at him, you could see there was really a lot of respect for Deshaun. And I think Houston has to feel like we have a quarterback. Like, that's enough. We're not going to, if he throws three interceptions next week, we're going forward. We're going to keep going to, because this guy's going to keep playing. And what Dabo said about the guy is true. The guy's a winner. And we talked about it on the podcast. Like, I don't get Cleveland. Like, I really don't understand Cleveland. They've passed on

Dak Prescott to pick Cody Kessler. They passed on Carson Wentz. They passed on on Deshawn Watson. I mean, forget Jared Gough. I mean, you can say what you want. I think they're dressing Jared Guff up really well now. But I think the reality of it is, is if you're the Browns, like Deshawn Watson would have changed

your culture of your building. And he would have loved it. And he would have loved it. He would have bought into the whole thing. He would have stayed in orange and he would have brought. So to me, you've got to sit there and say, wait a minute, I think we blew it.

Because to me on Sunday watching DeShon Watson, he made Houston an interesting team. And the Patriots, defensively, oh boy. They got a lot of work to do. Really? A lot of work, do you think? Yeah, they couldn't stop them. I mean, they couldn't slow him down.

I mean, really, seriously, it took all of Tom Brady. Tom Brady almost turns the ball over. This is not going to get talked about. He almost turns the ball over twice on the last drive. He gets hit, fumbles, recovers. I think Andrews or Mason recovered. Tom didn't have been recovered. Then the next play, he throws a deep post, and it almost gets picked off.

The kid drops it. Everybody thinks it's picked off, and you can hear a hush in the stands. And then he throws the Amadola throw. But to me, the Patriots, really, they won the game. game, but in that building today, they lost. I would say Bill O'Brien was so visibly upset at the end of the game. It was like the little brother playing his big brother and he had a lead, you know, going into the final game.

They'll play like a Best of Seven series back in the backyard and then you throw it away. Like he was very upset with himself, but it made me believe that because Bill O'Brien's been waffling on who's his guy and the Texans, the quarterback. Yeah, I feel like he's really surefire that Deshaun Watson, his guy, because even after the game, he was very upset and he was like, we should have won that game. They should have won. And I mean, I think to me, Deshaun Watson proved all the accolades we gave him this spring. about how good he is. I think Deshawn Watson's

really good. I think Deshawn Watson's going to keep getting better because Deshawn Watson, human being as a person, as a leader, I think he's going to change that Texan team. They just got to get better on. They had nobody in their secondary. And I think that was the real issue of the game. I mean, they couldn't really cover. And the only way they have covered in the past is they got called for a bunch of defensive

holding calls, which they did in the game. But I think what you saw with the Patriots were able to get the ball to Cooks. And Brady's throw for the touchdown to Cooks might be one of the greatest Tom Brady throws ever. Like there's no reason to make that throw. They're playing cover two, like he throws it to the back pile on. I mean, it was really remarkable. He, Brandon Cooks looked like the real deal yesterday. He did. He really figured it out.

Final award, the Paul Newman Award. Yes. No, I'm just kidding. I was a joke. I love Paul Newman, too. I love Paul Newman. You know that most people in my age think Paul Newman is just a guy that makes like dressings and stuff like that, like in a grocery store. The great, one of the greatest books I ever read was Paul was Paul and me by A. Hockner. It's fascinating. And how he discovered the salad dressing. He made it in his barn in Greenwich, Connecticut. just kind of messing around with it and all this stuff he's done for charity. To me, I love Paul. Anytime there's, do you watch the sting?

What do you mean? Oh, no, no. Have you ever seen any of his movies? Well, I've seen some of his movies. I haven't seen the Sting. You should take like a weekend and just like watch all. All his movies are good. They're great.

His honey mustard's great. Everything's good. You know, Bella loves his dog treats too. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Like, I go down in my office in the morning after I get done walking them. I got Paul Newman snacks down there. I got two Lagotos ready to eat.

GM Street is not sponsored by Paul Newman dressing, but we will be. Yes, I hope so. you want us to be. All right. We'll figure it up. Good enough. We got week four. We got Monday night football's coming up.

Should be fun. Which will add to the narrative. Let me just, let me just say this. Yeah, one little tidbit. Let me just say this. If the Cowboys lose, which I believe they will, sorry, Sal. I think that's going to really add to the Dallas Cowby narrative. I think they're going to be with the Giants in that narrative as well.

Can I just ask this? Of the NFC East coaches. Yes. Who is the most likely to be on the hottest of hot seats? Oh, McAdoo's on the hottest seat right now. I mean, he's on the hottest seat. I assume so. O-N-3, obviously, put you there.

But if Garrett, I don't feel like Jerry, Jerry was at the Arkansas game this weekend. I was watching him in the box. He's got Arkansas decked out looking like, you know, the burgundy cowboys at this point. And I was like, Jerry is not messing around with losing, you know, anytime soon. Yeah, if he loses tonight, which I think they will. I don't think they'll beat Arizona.

I think it'll be a hard game for him. I think that then they're one and two coming home to play the hot, hot L.A. Rams. You know, we talked about it on the podcast. If they end up, the first six games, I think it's five games before. the buy. They were tough to play. I think the Cowboys are in a little bit of trouble. I think they should trade someone for Sean Payton. They could, I mean, but that's 10 million bucks a year now. You got paid, you want,

you know, Jerry going to pay 10 million for a coach? I don't think so. I don't think so either. I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah. All right, we'll be back Wednesday on GM Street. It'll be a fun weekend in football, a fun night of Monday night football, and then we'll be back to talk about the Thursday night football game in all of week four. Lombardi, this has been fun. Good. Thanks, Tate. All right. Thanks to everyone for listening. This has been GM Street on the Ringer podcast network. We will be back on Wednesday.