The Ringer NFL Show - Good Fits? Harbaugh, Stefanski, Hafley, and Saleh Land Head Coaching Gigs

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

Sheil is joined by The Ringer’s own Billy Gil to share their reactions to some of the biggest coaching hires in the NFL this week. (00:00) Harbaugh, Stefanski, Hafley, and Saleh Land Head Coaching Gigs (1:31) John Harbaugh/NY Giants (10:49) Kevin Stefanski/Atlanta Falcons (16:29) Jeff Hapley/Miami Dolphins (23:00) Robert Saleh/Tennessee Titans The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Sheil Kapadia Guest: Billy Gil Producer: Chris Sutton Video editor: Stefano Sanchez Social: Kiera Givens and Brian Waters Production Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Capadia. Today we are talking new coaching hires, John Harbaugh, with the Giants. Kevin Stefansky, with the Falcons, Robert Sala, to the Tennessee Titans, and Jeff Hathley, to the Miami Dolphins. Did these franchises get it right?

What are some of the details that have emerged? What are we keeping our eye on in the weeks, months, and seasons ahead as those guys take over? We're going to talk to my friend, Billy Gill, from the ringer. Break it all down. Let's take a break. We come back. We talk to Billy. The Ringer NFL show is presented by Fandul. FanDul's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in live and your way so you can build the bet that fits your play. Plus, don't miss out on the NFL playoffs all month long. Download the Fandul app or head to

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Did these franchises get it right? What's interesting? What do we have our eyes on? And, Billy, let's start with the New York football giants. They had their press conference. with John Harbaugh on Tuesday. Giants fans are over the moon. They're very excited.

Now, the thing that most interests me, there's a couple things, but the first thing here is sort of the power dynamic. You know me, I like the politics of an NFL building. And it sounds like from all the reporting, a lot of this was in The Athletic from Ian O'Connor, that John Harbaugh, as recently as the weekend,

was like, I'm not signing on the dotted line unless I get full power and I report to the owner not Joe Shane and they're going back and forth on it. And finally, Giants ownership says, yeah, we can do that. So that's what they were asked about all day to day. And Joe Shane's like, oh, it's just what it says on a piece of paper, no big deal. And John Harbaugh is like, oh, you guys, that's so overblown. Not a big deal.

What are you thinking about this power dynamic there with John Harbaugh with the Giants? I think it was awkward. And reading it was kind of like a rollercoaster of emotions and adventure, right? Because you read it and it's like, oh, okay. So Chris Mara, who's the. you know, the younger brother of John is the one that kind of was initially behind this. He went and he met John at his house and Baltimore and that was the initial meeting. And then John went out there according to reporting and he's like, you know what?

I'm going to, I love my F-150. I'm going to drive my F-150 over to New York and I just want to be alone with my football thoughts and the 190-mile drive, right? And they're like, no, you're going to come on a private change. He's like, okay, you know what? That's a better idea. I like my F-150, but I like a private chat better because that'll get me there in like five minutes. So he did that.

And then waiting for him on the plane was Joe Shane, the aforementioned Joe Shane, and they hit it off. Then they had a meal in this private wine cellar, which I'm sure we're going to get to with a special menu and this whole, you know, situation the Giants had set up. And then they left and it seemed like things were great and everyone was in love with each other and they were ready to sign on the dotted line and texts were going back and forth with reporters. How did it go? He said it went great or went well or whatever he said. And then nothing happened for a couple days. And then they texted him again. like, what's going on there?

And then this is my favorite note from the article. I think it's made my favorite note, too. A shrugging emoji. Like, what's going on? He sent a shruggy emoji. Like, I don't know what's going on. And then it becomes a thing where this guy that he was on a private plane with and he hit it off with for however long the flight was, an hour or whatever, he's then had dinner

with, kind of like, yeah, I like this guy, but also I'm not going to answer this guy. So the only thing that's keeping me from signing and becoming your coach when I want this to happen and you want this to happen is the GM here, who's kind of in the way, who again, lovely man, I just don't really want to deal with him professionally. So they eventually moved him out of the way. He got what he wanted. And now they're going to have a dynamic where you have a GM who he doesn't have to report to. And then they were even making notes in the article about like, well, if now there's like kind of a disagreement on who we're drafting, it seems like it's going to be John's call.

So like there's a little bit of an awkwardness there. But, I mean, they got it done. Yeah, it's settled. It sounds like again, this is Ian O'Connor wrote a long piece about this on the athletic where a lot of those details come from. And yeah, it sounds like if there is a tie break, and I know they're saying, collaborative, we're going to work together. But it's not, you know, there are always going to be disagreements where the coach wants one guy, the GM wants the other guy, and someone has to break the tie or someone has to have

the final say. And it sounds like John Harbaugh has the final say here. So, yeah, when he was asked, that was the most interesting part to me, too, where they asked John Harbaugh on the weekend, like, where are we? Is this getting done? I wouldn't peg John Harbaugh as an emoji guy. That when he did shrug emoji, that surprised me a little bit. He's 63 years old.

Now, not to say there's a certain age where you can't use emojis, but were you surprised by that or you think a lot of NFL coaches use the shrug emoji? There were a lot of things that were very specific, very detailed, particularly about the dinner, but the shrug emoji was the thing that I was like, hmm, I didn't really see that one happening that way. Yeah. I don't know that Joe Shane a year from now. I don't know that his key card is going to work to get into the Giants,

facility. I think he has a chance to get like really good at golf this next year because I just don't think there. There may not be a lot for Joe Shane to do. Again, he seemed, you know, John Harbaugh's like, oh, he's a nice guy. John Harbaugh has good outwardly social skills. I think he's still got some of that Jim Harbaugh in him, but he hides it a little bit better where he seems like a more friendly guy. But yes, by all the reporting, it's kind of like, I don't know if Joe Shane's going to be around or have a lot to do with this organization. What did you make of the situation where they were talking about how much of a role Jack played in this whole thing, John's dad, where they basically decided, we want John to go to one of the original franchises. We don't want him to go to, like,

all of these other teams out there. So he was basically dead set on like, I want him to go to the Giants. And John was like, I'm going to go to the Giants. And then you were reading in the article where it seemed like it was a done deal, but just in case it wasn't a done deal, they had canceled all of the other means, just in case they were still having conversations with the tight ends. And it's like, you know what? He had a hundred million and he was getting $20. million a year, but like, I could have gotten him six, one, twenty five, if I really wanted to. But yes, anytime there's anything with the Giants, it's like the Giants mystique, one of the great franchises. And yeah, you know, his dad told him all. And John's like, what else do I have to think

about? It's the New York Giants. Well, you did have to, you know, you did keep the Titans in your back pocket there just to make sure if you didn't get exactly what you wanted. So I always think the Giants Mystique stuff is so funny because the last 10 years, do you know how many teams have won fewer games than the New York Giants, Billy. Is it just the Jets maybe? It's just the Jets. Yeah, of course. There was a time, sure, the Giants Mystique.

It's been a decade where the Giants Mystique hasn't mattered that much here. Now, this dinner, I mean, I eat this stuff up. The details of the dinner that John Harbaugh had, this is from the athletic. This is from Connor Orr of SI. They had all the details that they woo John Harbaugh at this dinner at a Mediterranean restaurant called Elia in East Rutherford, New Jersey. And I first thought, this is crazy. I've never heard NFL people eating anywhere except for a steakhouse in my time covering the league,

following the league. It's always a steakhouse. This is all they eat. But then I found out that they actually do have steak here. Now, there were some interesting details in the reporting, Billy. One of them is that they bring every prospective coach here dating back to Pat Schumer in 2018 and just a few days before, they dined Mike McCarthy there.

If you're John Harbaugh, how are you feeling about that, Billy? I didn't like that. This restaurant seems to be part of, like, the giants, right? They have, like, the wives have their annual things there. They used to have, this was like a war room for Parcells back in the day and this wine cellar underneath the building. So, like, they have this long history with this restaurant. They speak with the owner.

The owner came in, and for this meeting, they had a completely different menu. set up for him where it was things that no one else could really order, which, by the way, here's another thing, a little red flag with this Shane that we need to be worried about, Josh, Shane. I know what it's going to be. I don't have you cut onto this. So they basically said, okay, we're going to bring in, we're going to source in this fish and this meat and this chicken and John's going to decide what he wants and who's going to order first. I don't know, is it going to be John Marr. Is it going to be John Harbaugh? Who's going to go first? They had a whole thing. It's like, okay, John Harbaugh, you order first. You're the man of the

hour is how they, you know, they told him. And he ordered the fish and has his face. that they don't normally have there and it's cooked a special way and all this stuff, right? So then John Mara's like, you know what? I'm going to have what John Harbaugh is having. And then like some of the other people

Father Lee are like, okay, we're going to have what John Harbaugh is having. This is the man he out. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. And then they go to Joe Shane. Like, what are you going to have? He'll follow soon.

I'm going to have what everybody else is having. We're in this together. We're big, happy Giants family. We're all eating the same meal. He's like, I'm going to take the ribeye. And it's like, Joe, what are we doing here? Like there's a new menu just for tonight. There's these three items, pick one of these three things, and you're going off menu.

And then other people are like, yeah, you know what? I'm going to take the ribeye too. And I wonder if that's when John Harbaugh was like, you know what? We had this nice plane ride together, but it seems like Joe Shane's going to kind of do whatever he wants and not kind of follow suit here with what's going on. It was weird. I read that. That's 100% when the power struggle started. Because, you know, then after that, when they're having all the negotiations, they said,

Joe Shane just recused himself from like the last 48 hours of negotiations. Yeah, that's because Harbaugh said that steak eating, you know, hooligan. I don't want, I'm not taking orders from him. He'll do whatever he wants. I'm trying to build a culture here. We're all on the same team. And he's off in the corner ordering a steak. Get him out of here.

Yeah. I think Joe Shane recused himself from the negotiations. This way John Harbaugh recused himself from being the Ravens coach, I think. You know what I mean? Like someone's like, how about? sit this one out a little bit. You're not going to mess this up for us. Yeah. Giants fans are happy. You should be happy. This worked out, you know, it doesn't guarantee a Super Bowl, but he gives you your best chance since Tom Coughlin

to get back to being a relevant football team. It's been a long time there. Speaking of which, we go to Atlanta. Next coaching hire, Billy, Kevin Stefanski, the Atlanta Falcons, new head coach. Now, what fascinated me the most with this is the Falcons hired two search firms. I don't know if you remember this. When they fired Rahim Morris and Terry Fontenow, they said they put out this pressure was, we're hiring two search firms, ZRG partners and the sportsology group. And they're going to advise us on who to hire for GM and who to hire as coach. And I don't know what they paid those firms, but those firms somehow got them to land on Matt Ryan, very outside the box idea, has nothing to do. The fact that he played quarterback for them for 14 seasons, won an MVP,

them to the Super Bowl was kind of the last relevant stretch of Atlanta Falcons football. Apparently that's what the search firms told them to do. And then they told them, they said, search far and wide for a head coach. Kevin Stefansky is the guy here for your head coach. So I want

to give a bravo to ZRG partners and the sportsology group because this is a great, you know, you're familiar with CTC, right, cut the check, cash them checks. I mean, this is one of the great grifts in all of sports that Arthur Blank paid both of you, not just one, and the tremendous advice and insight that you gave led them to Matt Ryan and Kevin

Stefansky. Those are certainly not two things they could have just got from listening to a bunch of NFL podcasts. Well, and Matt Ryan also has no experience in this position whatsoever. So I think that his job is like president of football or something like that. It's some ridiculous title, but he has zero front office experience. So consulting firm, thank you for telling us the name of our former quarterback, who's beloved, who's going to come in here, but also, How much did you actually research because he's been on TV the past couple of years and he's never run a team before? But like, thank you. Man, Jill, I got to tell you, consulting seems like the dream job. Should we do that? We should open up a consulting firm.

I'm trying to figure out how you get there, right? And exactly what I would be qualified in consult. I mean, you've described me as a man of media. So maybe a man of media consulting type situation. I like that. The good thing about consulting that I've seen and dealing with like consultants over the years at various companies is, consultants are paid handsomely for coming in and basically saying, these are your problems, which usually you know what the problems are, but these are your problems, and here is how maybe you should fix it. And I don't really care if you fix it or don't,

because you're going to pay me either way. So you could follow these suggestions. You don't have to follow the suggestions. You're really on your own. Now, please pay me for me just telling you what the problems are, which you might have already known. And also, the solution is your former quarterback, like crazy, but also the dream.

if you could get it, right? The dream. You give a little advice. It doesn't matter if the advice is good or bad. It doesn't matter if they follow it or not. It doesn't matter if they follow it and then it fails. You're off. You're consulting.

I want to consult. We'll work on that consulting. Now, there was a food angle to this one as well that I couldn't help. But notice, did you see the text from Albert Breer on this, Billy? I did see this. It was, I was trying to figure out timeline-wise because it seems like the Falcons had decided who they wanted and they brought in the process. person that they wanted, and then they wind and dine the person that they wanted, which is Kevin

Stafansky. But the details of exactly how the meal went, Sheel, were incredible. Like, incredible situation. So they had Kevin Cefancy come over. He comes to Arthur Blank's house. Arthur Blank apparently set up this meal. He had like the meat set up and he had potatoes and stuff like that. Like he had in his mind exactly what he wanted to do. Arthur Blank, who's 83 years old, by the way, he said, you know what this is, which probably, if we're going to be honest, it's probably Arthur Blank's favorite meal. And he's like, you know what, let's have this. Let's have this meal. This is going to be great for Stefanski, which tells me like, he liked this. So they had this all set up. Arthur Blank then stands up and he says, I'm cooking tonight. And he decided to cook all

of the meat and have this barbecue on his own. And he's cooking everybody's meal. And then at the end of the meal, they're like, hey, you want this job? Here you go. And they brought him for 90 minutes. Arthur Blank, the 83-year-old cooked him dinner and then gave him a job. Like, this was a crazy story. the line that got me, again, it's from Albert Breer, says, Blank had planned a steak and potato bar and surprised everyone by cooking the ribbyes himself. Now, Billy, you know I'm a vegetarian. So I read that and I think, all right, they're trying to paint Arthur Blank. Like sure, he's worth billions of dollars, but this is a man who he'll cook a ribeye.

He's a normal guy just like you and me. How do I view that? Is that like normal guy behavior? Let me throw a couple ribyes on the grill, you know, just a couple of things. men eating some steaks. I don't need someone to cook this for me. I'm a regular guy like you, Kevin Stefansky. Is that how I'm supposed to read that? Because that was a very interesting detail. I was trying to figure out like if Arthur Blank puts on the apron, like the kiss the chef, apron or one of those. Yeah. Like he has something like that. And then he's doing it or if like there's someone like

overseeing it and he probably asks like, oh, how do you how do you take your meat? And then he's there and he's like flipping it over. Because if you're Kevin Stefanski, this is probably the weirdest job interview you've ever been on, right? So you're at a job interview, and now all of a sudden, the person who's in position to hire you or not is cooking you a meal. You now need to eat the meat however comes out. Like if you say like, oh, I like it, medium rare, I like it medium, whatever. If that thing comes out well done, like you need to eat that because you need to get this job, right? So Arthur's there cooking and I wonder if there's anyone overseeing it. I wonder if people like like this meal. Let's take a break. We come back. We get Billy's thoughts. He is a

Dolphins fan. We get his thoughts on Jeff Happley. And then very excited. higher for a number of reasons. Robert Sala to the Titans. All right, we are back here on the Ringer NFL show. All right, Billy, your team has a new coach. Now, I didn't notice it like a glow over you today that you were just over the moon, that we got it right. We nailed it.

This is going to be the guy that leads us back to the Promised Land. Jeff Hathley, the Packers defensive coordinator, is your new head coach. How are you feeling? You're speaking for all Dolphins fans right now. I don't know how I'm feeling. I'm not feeling excited, right? So I guess that is telling me how I'm feeling.

It's a weird one, right? Because on the surface, you look at the situation, you say, okay, the dolphins go out and they hire someone who used to be with the Packers. They just hired their GM. Their GM was with the Packers. Their GM must have just called his friend and be like, hey, you want a job? Here you go. Here's a head coaching job, right?

But if you listen to reports out there, I was listening to Diana Rucini, talk about it, it wasn't the case. Apparently Jeff Halfley was very impressive on his Zoom interview, which is difficult to do. And then was also very impressive when they spoke to him in person. They said, this is someone who can kind of command a room, command a team. This is someone that's going to be respected, which the Dolphins seemingly had problems with towards the end of the McDaniel era, where it seems as though he may or may not have lost

respect of some of the players and wasn't really, I guess, like the disciplinarian, I guess kind of wanted everyone to be an adult, but that's not always the case. So Jeff Halfley, I guess, is the guy that's going to come in and be the disciplinarian and get things back in order. Also, if you saw Monday Night Football a couple weeks ago back in December, this is the Dolphins also hired a consultant, a consultant who I don't think had any previous history consulting officially in any capacity. He was Lee's living the dream. Yeah, he got this dream done and that's Troy Eggman who was hired as a consultant for the Dolphins. And I'm still not exactly sure what the connection there was because Troy Eggman has no connection to the dolphins in any on-field capacity.

I don't know if he has some business ventures with Stephen Ross, but Stephen Ross seems to trust Troy Aikman for some reason. And Troy Aikman was talking up Jeff Halfley on Monday Night Football not too long ago. So now you wonder, okay, Detroit just say like, hey, here's this guy that I like, you should hire him. And then they asked the former GM or former player personnel person from the Packers. Like, what do you think, John Eric? And he's like, oh, you know what?

Yeah, let's hire that guy. I don't know exactly how it worked. But it seemed like this was someone that they got pretty early on. Now, he was not fired from Boston College where he had a 22 and 26 career record, which is not great. The reason that he left is because he fell out of love with the way that you had to coach with college. Like he didn't like the aspects of having to deal with the NIL and having to deal with all of the off the field stuff, which is fine if you leave and you go become a defensive coordinator. But now that you're the head coach of a team, you once again have to do. deal with some of these annoying things. I don't know how much I love this hire. It's not proven.

He's also not, we saw last year and we've seen the past couple of years like this trend of, let's hire the like 30 year old, like up and comer boy genius, right? Where this hiring cycle, we've gone away from that. So far, there's been three former coaches who have been hired to take over teams. He's the first one that's getting his first crack at it. And he's not old. I mean, he's 46, but he's also not like the young up and coming. 38-year-old revolutionary coach that we're going to see kind of, which was what McDaniel was, right? So it's an interesting hire and I just, I don't know, I'm not very excited about it so far. I think what happens is teams when one type of coach doesn't work, they go the opposite way.

Like this happens, I feel like with every NFL organization. So like you were describing it, he sounds like the opposite of Mike McDaniel where he's going to come in and demand accountability and, you know, within discipline, with, you know, with, then discipline, with, players and he's a defensive coach, not an offensive coach. So yeah, I thought he had a lot of good PR this head coaching cycle. I don't know if it's just his agent or what, but very strange process, I thought, where it's like, like you said, I kept looking for what the connection was. They're calling Troy Aikman and they're like, can you be in charge of our head coaching and GM hires? And Aikman's like, yeah, I had fun. I was in Miami for earlier. We were doing some

interviews down there, which like we said, great gig if you can get it for Aikman. But I'm looking at the Hathley resume to your point. What did you say? He won the Fenway Bowl. Yeah, he won the Fenway Bowl to get Boston College to seven and six his last year. Maybe that really impressed them, you know, winning the Fenway Bowl. But 22 and 26 at BC, and then he coached the 19th ranked defense last year, according to DVOA. That was when you had Micah Parsons for 14 games.

I don't think you can correct me if I'm wrong. Micah Parsons does not go with him, correct, from Green Bay to Miami? No, I don't think that was important. Let me see. No, it doesn't look like it. Okay. So I don't know. It seems like players like.

athlete, people like athlete. It's always hard to predict what coach is going to be good. So he could be an amazing coach, but I'm kind of with you that I don't totally see it. Here's a thing about John Eric. John Eric, who is now the person, who's the GM, who's making these decisions. Yeah, he had his first press conference, and he was getting out there, and he was throwing out his concepts for what it is that he's using to build this football team shield. I just want to give you some of his concepts that we have to follow, right?

Okay, here's the first one that he hit on. fast gets slow, but big doesn't get small. Is that an actual thing? This is an actual thing. Fast gets slow, but big doesn't get small. So he's focused on that. That is true. He's not wrong.

Yeah, as far as NFL players, when you do get a lot older, you do shrink. I know my dad is complaining about that recently. When you get older, you actually shrink. But yeah, that doesn't apply to players. So I would agree with them there. Draft, develop, retain. This guy's a football guy. John Eric's a football guy and all reports are the coach they hired is also a football guy

and you could hear him talk about football for hours on end. He'll go on there and talk about football. But again, as a head coach, you're going to have to deal with more than just talking about football for an hour. So I don't know. I'm not sold on this. I'm not super excited about it. We'll see what happens. But when I saw the hire, I wasn't like, oh, wow, this is the solution.

Like, this is going to be the guy that takes Quinn Ewers to the next level because Tua's gone. there's a lot of problems down here in Miami right now. So the conclusion is maybe he'll be good. There's not a lot of reasons to believe he'll be good, but hiring head coaches is a crapshoot. I think that's where we're at with Jeff Hathlet. It's kind of like, yeah, I bought a powerball ticket. Maybe I'll be a multi-millionaire next week after the draw,

but also maybe not. Who knows? Who knows? Which brings us to the last hire we'll talk about today. Robert Sala going to the Tennessee Titans. Of course, he had three plus seasons with the New York Jets went 20 and 36. I'm kind of looking at it going, it's fine.

You know, a man should not be judged by how he performs with the New York Jets. I think that's fair. I'm also not really convinced that this is a good hire. I'm looking at a young quarterback. Cam Ward, I thought maybe you go with an offensive coach who can develop Cam Ward, give him a good system, put the pieces around him. And now you've got the coach and the quarterback for a decade. Instead, they end up going with Robert Salas.

So I did think it was a bit of a strange hire there, Billy. Yeah, that I think caught a lot of people off guard, which was you just had the number one pick in the draft last year. You drafted a quarterback. He looks like he could do well in the NFL, but he also had moments where it's like this guy needs to be coached a little bit. Like this guy needs to be more of an NFL player than just like a college player where he thrived, obviously. And they hired a defensive-minded coach and they don't have an OSE in mind at the moment anyways. So it's kind of like- Not great.

How did you decide to make this? If you go out and you see more reporting, it seems as though the plan was they wanted to get someone to come in with like a fresh personality, someone that would be in command, someone to be, you know, the guy with the, you know, energy, someone like a Mike Vrable, which is interesting because they had not a Mike Vrable. They had the Mike Vail and then decided to move on from the Mike Bravel to now go out and try to find their Mike Vrable, who was already theirs to begin with. You know, I had the same thought.

You know, I saw a tweet from Albert Breer. He said this is in some ways the Mike Vrable effect. The Titans were looking for someone who could bring real presence and a new energy to the building and combine that with good fundamental coaching. That's Sala to a T and illustrates how he emerged as a favorite over the last week. And I read that and I thought they're looking for a Mike Vrable type. they had Mike Vrable, to your point, not a Mike Vrable type. Now they're trying to find the next Mike Rable, which might explain some things in Tennessee.

While it hasn't maybe been the best run organization where they go, Coach GM, fire GM. All right, it doesn't work out. All right, fire, G.M. All right, that doesn't work out. Fire the game. It's just the cycle they've been on. It has not led to great results there with the Titans. But I will tell you one thing I am excited about here, Billy.

What's that? You and I talked about the Matt LaFleur. Ben Johnson coaching beef, which we love. We're into, we're excited. We're going to be watching it next year. It's a big one. There's a new coaching beef in town. And I think they're putting the floor and Ben Johnson to the side

because now we got Robert Sala and we got Liam Cohen facing each other twice a year. And this one, if you remember earlier in this season, Sala was talking about, oh, the Jaguars, they do really good stuff in terms of stealing signs. And he actually did mean it as a compliment. It felt like in his press conference where he was like,

no, they don't do anything illegal. They just get a good beat on that kind of stuff. Jaguars play the 49ers. Jaguars beat the 49ers. They're walking off the field. Liam Cohen says, keep my name at your mouth. Robert Salon.

And then Salah just goes to like, he seems like normally like a pretty nice guy fired up, smiling, or into, he goes to a different level. And he's like, I will end you. And he's like, whoa. that really escalated. So now next year, we get to see what this looks like.

Or even at the owner's meetings. They have those owners meetings, you know, in March where all the coaches go and they take the weird photo and India reads in a Hawaiian shirt. There could be some fireworks there, Billy, when that happens. Well, now I'm thinking about the picture that they put out every year and I want to see the positioning of the picture. How far away are they? Where's Ben Johnson? Where's Robert Sala? Where's the floor? Pick aside.

Yeah. Do they have alliances now where the two of them say, you know what we really got to, I know, you have a coaching problem, B, if I have a brief too, like we should. Casala's boys with LaFleur. Yeah. So they'll probably be one side and now Liam Cohen and, who am I talking about? Liam Cohen and Ben Johnson. I don't know if they, I don't know if they know if they know each other. Maybe they don't, but they might need to talk and form some kind of alliance.

So they're not going at this one-on-one. This might be one of those things where like the enemy and my enemy is my friend, you know, and see if the two of them align. Yeah. So, this is going to be an interesting situation. Is it possible that maybe we're overthinking this and the two of them just shake hands and move on from this?

I don't know. Have you ever had someone say they will end you? They will end your life? I don't know if I have those quotes exactly right. But it did reach a certain level. And then did you go up to that person? Have you ever told someone keep my name out of your mouth, Philly?

I don't think I've said that verbatim. I, you know, probably the way I would handle the situation is internalized this and I would kind of hope to get a chance to exact revenge at some point in time down the road and I get the last laugh and the person probably would forget they ever even wronged me to begin with but I would keep it in the back of my head. I'm like I'm that way as well. Yeah. And ultimately like I would just be suffering something the person didn't even realize affected me that much silently for years and years. And then eventually like when

something happens, the person would be like, why are you so happy that this bad thing happened to me? I'm like, because you cut me in the lunch line in seventh grade and I'm like, oh, I didn't even remember that situation. That's how I handle it. I'm not a very confrontational person. I'm like, yeah. So I think that when you say I will end you, that probably takes things to another level. All right, those are the new coaches. Four new coaches.

When there are more new coaches, we will talk about them as well. Six openings still left in the NFL. Where will Sean McDermottland, who will get the Ravens job, who will get the Bill's job. We will find out answers to that in the days and weeks ahead. And we will break it down,

just as we did with these four coaching hires. Thank you to Billy Gill. Thank you to Christopher Sutton for producing Stefano Sanchez on video editing, Kira Givens on social, and additional production supervision by Connor Nevins and Arjuna. Ram Gopal. I'm Sheila Capadio.

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