The Ringer NFL Show - Jason Kelce and the Championship Parade, the 49ers' Jimmy G. Signing, and the Josh McDaniels Fallout | GM Street (Ep. 236)

Episode Date: February 9, 2018

The Ringer's Michael Lombardi and Tate Frazier discuss Jason Kelce calling out Lombardi and the media (00:30), the effectiveness of the "Vienna offense" in the Super Bowl (02:30), a monster contract for Jimmy Garoppolo (10:30), the Josh McDaniels drama (16:00), and Matt Patricia kicking off his career in Detroit (31:30). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Look, I think, you know, Kelsey gave me exactly what I deserved. You know, I mean, I inaccurately predicted that Peterson would fail. I made no bones about it. And they won the Super Bowl, and they should relish in the glory that comes with winning a Super Bowl and winning a title because it's the hardest achievement. And I think it's really great. I appreciate that he said it because I think that he's right. Yeah, and it was a very impassioned speech.

We've all seen it. It was great. It's like a professional wrestler. Obviously, it stirred a lot of emotion, didn't it, huh? Yeah, absolutely. It got me all fired up. I thought Travis Kelsey was my favorite Kelsey. In fact, my fantasy football name was named Kelsey Grammer after Travis. But after this whole thing, I don't know. Maybe I'm Team Jason.

He's got the enthusiasm and the energy. And he obviously was very proud about his coach, Doug Peterson, and getting this win. And my favorite thing was that he went on fourth and down. you know, he kept saying that he went on fourth and down. We both own it. I mean, look, we've been busting their asses about the parade forever, right? We kept saying they planned that Angelo Cautaldi at WIP, the morning show. He better plan than when any, then the Mummer's parade at the first of the day to shine.

And they did something in the suit. And the parade's been a whole ordeal. It's been covered all day. It's been a lot of storylines, a lot of players saying some things. Just in the backlash and everything surrounding the Super Bowl, we've had all the, all the takes. have been done. Everyone's, you know, given their opinions on what happened. Everyone's talking about, obviously, the first Super Bowl victory of all time for the Philadelphia Eagles in the first time since 1960. They win an NFL championship. But just recapping the Super Bowl and some of the little

storylines that have come out of that game, what's the main thing that's really stuck out to you that you've seen since Sunday night happened? Well, I think when you go back and watch the tape of the game, I really think, you know, when you talk about it, I think the fourth quarter, they got the ball in the fourth quarter, they're down by a point, correct? I mean, so they get the ball, they're down by a point, and with 922 to go in the game, they take the Eagles defense gets

rested at seven minutes. And I think as the Patriots look back on that series, they're going to say to themselves two things, because we should have either let them score, what happened was they got rested and they felt better about themselves. Secondly, they're going to be disappointed, and this is something that does not like Chip Kelly.

But the fourth and one call got them over the hump. The passed to Ertz. That everybody knew Ertz was going to practice, got to have a place. And you've got to get Ertz. We've got to get on Earths. And they did. So not only did they steal the play from Kelly, which was perfect because this is what Foles does really well, the ball went to Ertz with him on, and they made the play, and they got any kind of pressure. And I think that drive really is the one to win. I mean, I think that's really what did him in. And it's sort of ironic for it to be a Chip Kelly play, and Nick Foles playing quarterback

for the Eagles for it to all come. to fruition and work out for the Philadelphia Eagles. It's kind of ironic, right? I mean, you know, it's like, look, the Eagle offense is like the city of Vienna. Vienna is a cousin with your girlfriend. If you want to get the best Armenian brandy, they have it. If you want to get the best French pastry, they have it in Vienna. Vienna is a co-man.

And so the Eagles' offense is a commingling of all these offenses, and which you've got to give Peterson so much credit for in his Vienna offense, because I'm going to nickname it. He wasn't so stubborn to say, well, I'm only going to run my plays. That play that won the game was a Chip Kelly play. Would you watch it on tape? Now, the other thing I think that's clear, one team got a pick.

First off, I have to say, that's the second Vienna reference on this podcast, and I'm pretty impressed. The only thing I could bring up about Vienna is like Vienna's sausage, so that was pretty good by you. You get the greatest sausage in Vienna. There you go. We've been invited to do a podcast in Vienna. I think we should do one. I really do.

I think we should go over there. We'll see. We may have to have to if Jason Kelsey finds out our addresses and comes after us. quickly though just talking about got to have it plays i've been watching all the the back end stuff and seeing some of the sound effects on on the field from the super bowl sunday and malcolm jenkins ended up becoming a star if you've watched any of this he uh on the tom brady passed that the tom brady dropped a catch um malcolm jenks him on the butt and he's like come on tom come on tom it's prime time you got to make that play and you can tell brady's a little frustrated by

it and then uh he also sees step curry before the game and curry is an underarmor guy and so is Brady. So he's wearing red for Under Armour and for Tom Brady, obviously, even the Patriots. And Malcolm Jenkins is talking to all the Eagles players. And he says, you know, look at that guy over there. That's the top dog. He's not an underdog. See, top dogs don't like us. The underdogs, you know, that's what we are. We're the underdogs. So he's like, I don't like Steph Curry anymore. So he was telling his team that before. So I thought those are two funny things that happened after the fact that you may not have seen. I think the Eagles embraced this underdog role. I think the best thing that's ever happened

to them is they embrace this underdog role and they took ownership of it and they just really, now they become the hunted one. Now they are, so as, okay, the guy and the godfather, when he tells I am now the hunted one, well, now the Eagles are going to be the hunted one. And it's going to get harder when you're the hunted one. When you're the underdog, it's not that it's easy and I'm not minimizing what they did, but now it becomes a much different challenge because you can't use that. We're not, nobody likes us, nobody receives. respects us mode. You have to basically show your stuff each week.

Fascinating offseason. Yep, you can die and be a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. And Philadelphia now has a target on their back, and we'll see if that can all hold up. The way they're celebrating in Philadelphia is really holding up. I have to ask you quickly, did you see any of the videos or any of the backlash in Philadelphia

when they were celebrating the Super Bowl win that Sunday night? No, I did not. I mean, I got a picture from the entire Barry family who lived next door to me in Ocean City celebrating the way. I had to eat after I got the pitcher. But other than that, you know, I heard there. I mean, look, what I love the most about the parade, you know, Bud Light decided to be a man of their word and a great idea by Bud Light to do that. And I think it just was awesome. But no, I didn't watch much. You know, I don't know, and you analyze it like we have 50 losses to ever get over. And I think it's because you have a lot of those got-a-habit moments that usually Bill Belichick and his

team seem to come through with those. And it's what everyone expected when they take that lead 33-32. Most people, if you were a betting man, if you were to ask anyone in the room, they would say, we're going to take Tom Brady and the Patriots down here in the fourth quarter. But the Eagles persevered like they did all season, and they proved to be right. And Jason Kelsey deserves to be yelling at everyone, and that's what they're doing right now. Anything else from the Super Bowl we should cover, or should we get into some real big news that's been going on around the NFL?

You know, it kind of does it. I think the Nick Foles contract will be interesting how it plays out. I truly do anything with it. I think they'll just sit tight. But you've got to give credit. Foles did in that just decide to get Nick Fow works well in that offense. Yep. The run-pass option, the RPO.

We'll see a lot of Nick Foles in that offense, I'm sure. Let's talk about one of your former players, a guy that we know a lot about, and that is Jimmy GQ, Jimmy Garapolo. The 49ers have decided to give him a league high, 27.5 million over five years, with 74 million guaranteed that tallies up to, if you can do the map, 137.5 million. million overall in the contract. We knew the 49ers really liked what they saw with Jimmy G in those last five games. He goes five in his first five starts with the 49ers has an amazing

run to end in the season, and now they've locked them up to be their quarterback, reportedly. The Niners saw what they had, and they weren't going to let it go. And I mean, I think what you're going to see now is the price of quarterbacks are going to keep going up. I mean, let's face it. The cap is going up to, I believe, $178 million next year, executive and a personnel guy. There's not enough. Like you could sign a guy and pay him $5 million and you could sign another player and pay him a million and you might just have the same guy. There's not that $4 million gap. But where there is a gap is a quarterback. And that's where the players are going to get the most money. The quarterback salaries are going to break this $30 million a year guaranteed.

Money is not going to be really that important in the sense they all know they're going to earn their money. I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo's got what, they think he could potentially get $90 million of guaranteed. Well, if you're not going to be that important, you know, they're going to be that If you pay, it's going to earn $90 million. I mean, it's not earned it. I mean, people say, well, you don't know that because you haven't seen enough sample size of Jimmy G. No, I think we have Kelly's style of offense. And it can only get better with another year and training camp involved.

So 49ers, they got the number one thing they had. They gave the best player on their team the most money, which they have to do. And now it's up to him. Enough great players to get paid. Pay out podcast without Blake Bortle's name. I mean, that's the rule, correct? I can't wait until Blake Bortles wins his Super Bowl and so he's yelling at us.

That's the one we know we really made it. First quarterback off the board. We got Johnny Mansell, Teddy Bridgewater, but the two guys in the second round own the draft. Yeah, and it's crazy to think about it. I mean, I think if you asked someone before the 2016 season, if you said that Derek Carr would be the second highest paid quarterback in the Bay, nobody would understand what you were talking about at that point

because he had just gotten this huge deal. Everyone had coronated the Oakland Raiders and thought they would make a Super Bowl run in the AFC. see and now we go full circle and Jimmy Garoppolo is the golden boy of the Bay and everyone has high hopes for the 49ers next year. It's a weird shift in one season to see what's going on with Shannon Han and everything with San Francisco up there. I also want to ask, yeah, I mean look, yeah, who's going to be? I think it's also going to put these other quarterback. Where are those numbers? The interesting thing to me too, I've seen a lot of people that sort of after the Super Bowl

when Nick Foles won Super Bowl MVP and takes, you know, this team is a backup quarterback. A lot of people said, well, do we really have to value the position of quarterback and pay these guys like we have when we see that you can scheme with a backup quarterback? But Nick Foles played at a level of an elite quarterback in the Super Bowl run, sort of like what Flacco did back in 2012, 2012, 2013. But do you think that does devalue the position a little bit of teams think that they can't take a guy like Foles and still win a Super Bowl if you have a dominant defense? Well, look, Jacksonville proves it can't happen, right? Jacksonville proves it can't happen. I mean, Jacksonville thinks Blake Borgels.

If there ever was a team that could do it, it was Jacksonville. They were set up there. You know, Jacksonville's defense played New England better than the Eagles defense did. All year as a potential for 18 on conversion downs, you're not good enough. Yep, not at all. And it's crazy if you said to someone that it was 12 for 18 in the Super Bowl with the Eagles, you would automatically assume that was a vintage Carson Wins game. But, of course, instead it was Nick Foles, the Super Bowl MVP.

Should we get into some coaching transactions and the big story of yesterday? and that was Josh McDaniels deciding not to sign with the Indianapolis Colts and pull his name out of consideration after they announced he would be the head coach. He decides to return in New England and stay the offensive coordinator and apparently got a pay bump to what most people would believe to be a head coach in waiting situation under Belichick. But just the McDaniel situation starting off when he commits that morning, what is your first thought? You know, Josh committed. I mean, this has got collateral damage attached to it. So, you know, Josh had gone back, you know, from his Denver days.

He went to St. Louis, and he kind of gone to New England and to reestablish his career. And he's had numerous opportunities to be ahead, get him as the head coach. He didn't want to be. He didn't turn that job down. You know, last year he just turned down the San Francisco job. He didn't want to be. And then this year, he's job. He gave, accepted the job. And then he went about hiring.

This one was different. When here and Josh is getting called saying, no way, because when you hire Sal, the general manager went back and they talked. And then that's when they moved to me between not to take in another deal. And I really becomes a friend of Josh's from my opinion and my viewpoint. You don't

really want to be a head coach coach. My answer is, I think what Josh ultimately decided to do. There's no knowledge on my part on this at all. Stayed the offensive court, it's fine. Absolutely. It's sort of a situation we see that in college. A guy like Bud Foster, you know, when Frank Bima leaves

Virginia Tech, you know, Bud Foster has his where he stays on his defensive coordinator. So, you know, McDaniels could have a situation like that in New England where he can just play it out and stay the offensive coordinator, you know, determining what they do with the head coaching position. And obviously what Belichick does, the big thing I would do want to ask you about the big, the big fallout from this was Bob Lamont, the agent for Josh McDaniels. He comes out and basically viscerates him and says that, you know,

this was a classless move on McDaniel's parts. And, you know, he didn't respect the move. and he was going to drop him as a client because of it. Do you think there's any fallback from McDaniels getting any other offers for other jobs because of this? Or is this sort of the one and none? I think what Bob Lamont said is true. I think Bob Lamont's right. I think it's a professional suicide.

I think Josh did something that, you know, when you go against your word, wire, my name is my name, my name, you know. And so when you give your word to somebody, you can't say, well, my family didn't want to go. You can't. That's not fair. That's not fair. As a man, you're not teaching your kids that your word is your word. Right?

When you say, I am all in, and you shake on it, and they walk out of your house, and you have a deal, you can't turn around and say, well, I've changed my mind. There's no changing your mind. This isn't summer camp. You can't go to summer camp and decide you want to go home after two weeks. That's fine. You can do that at summer camp. You can't do that at a billion-dollar industry. You impact other people's lives.

And I think it's a horrible message. and Bob Lamont has a client base, and there's a lot of coaches in the NFL that are really angry with Josh McDaniels right now for his behavior, for what he's done to those coaches who are sitting there working. I mean, look, if he doesn't want the job

that's every right, he has every right to turn the job down. He gave his word, and I think as someone who's defended Josh, more than anybody in football, and I have, and I have worked next to him, I think he's one of the brilliant minds of football.

Lamont is correct in what he did. And then I call you up after we spent four months recruiting me, and I say, well, you know, well, we've never changed the locations of the place. You should have told me that from the beginning. If it was too far from the beginning, you should have told me that, right? Yeah, don't stream me along. It's the same thing here. It's the same thing here. If your family doesn't want to move, then don't go through all this. I just think it's horrible. Bob Lamont had no choice. I mean, Bob Lamont had no choice because Bob Lamont has spent time defending Josh to other people. He's got him in front of the Giants as an interview. He got him in front of the Chicago. And Bob was vouching for his character. Jimmy Sexton represented Josh at one time, and Josh fired Jimmy Sexton

because he felt like he didn't help him get a GM interview. It didn't get a head coaching interview. Well, you can't have it both ways. You either want to be a head coach or you want to be not. Now, the other thing I really want to correct is people say, well, he did the same thing Belichick did. Completely wrong. Belichick wanted to be a head coach. Belichick just did not want to be a head for the New York Giants and have Steve Gutman. Belichick did not want to walk into Bill Parcell's footsteps constantly. McDaniels is in a position that he's going to have to follow the greatest head coach in the history of any sport.

Who wants to do that? And so I think people that make those comparisons are completely wrong. They're not. They're not. They both accept the jobs and turned them down. That's the only similarity that holds the place to be true. And I just think to me, it's really disappointing. repeatedly about all this stuff, about preparing for a head cob, the culture, all that,

to just do this to other people with collateral damage that he did is really heartbreaking for me because I don't understand it. I understand it once you've made the decision. Yeah, Coldfeet is an interesting thing in the world, and we should say Chris Ballard comes out and after they have their press conference. It was actually scheduled for McTaniels to have his press conference there in Indianapolis on Wednesday, and Ballard hosts the pest conference, And at the end, he says the rival, a little bit under his breath as he's walking out, he says the rivalries back on, you know, in reference to the New England Patriots. I mean, I know that's become the narrative where it's the cult first of the Patriots.

This is some sort of revenge for deflategate for Indianapolis reporting them to the NFL, all this sort of stuff. How much do you buy into that? You don't want to follow the greatest coach in the history of the sport. I mean, when has that ever been success? Followed Don Shula. You know, why would you want to do that? So what you're saying with all this is you really, maybe you really don't.

don't want to be a head coach. And that's fine. I take Frazier, that's fine. Don't be a head coach. But don't string people along. Don't give collateral damage. I mean, he turned down the opportunity to be the head coach of the Browns, but really we were so we were in that process. We were one of them to, and he would be interested. He told me, I didn't get mad at him for that. For me, he had every right to do that. He didn't commit now right to it's not fair to the Colts. It's not fair to anyone. Mm-hmm.

How would you like to be, how would you like to be the defensive coordinator, Matt, family? Mm-hmm. But you want to work for this guy. You've been talking to Josh to eight months, maybe a year you've become... I don't know, but, I mean, what happens? I mean, did McDaniels call these guys individually? Does he call Marinelli and say, hey, sorry, this isn't quite going to work out? Or is it one of those things where they figure it out through the media and they find out on Twitter or whatever it is?

Well, my understanding took Josh an hour to call him, and then I believe that we're working for it. Because you have three coaches in the building already working, planning for their meeting that they were going to have on the next day. No idea. I just on, you know, one of the areas of leadership that is trust. People have to trust what you say. Now, you can be an asshole, but you've got to be a consistent asshole. You can be a jerk, trust you when you do that. This is really a violation of that principle.

Seems like a very millennial move. You know, Dave Fraser, I would say that. And I don't want to bash the millennials here. I think this is not a... It's all right. fair to the millennials. No, it's fair. I don't think it's fair to the millennials. I don't. I think it's really a self-indulgent, but I don't care what

excuse you could offer. Your word is your word. You walked out of, you didn't say let me think about it. Family's not going to be happy with it. You didn't say that. You know, it causes other people to feel the repercussions. And really them about that because I felt like we get... Yeah,

we were deep in the process here with McDaniels going to the Colts, and obviously just the worst part was just the way came across from a PR standpoint, you know, having all this stuff put out there, press conference already planned, you know, the Colts store, the NFL store put out visors, said it was visor season. There was all these little things that came out that just did not look good for McDaniels and especially did not look good for the Colts. But just looking now, you know, I want to say this about the Colts.

I don't think, I don't know what the Colts could have done wrong. I don't think it was the Colts. Well, only thing the Colts done wrong was trust a man's word. I don't think you could, I don't think you can get mad at the Colts for that. if you give me your word, as Uncle Juniors once said, if you're going to be somewhere, be somewhere. If you give me your word that you're going to be somewhere, I trust you're going to be there, right? You give me your word.

You lose that trust of the word of others. You lose everything. You have nothing. And this is not going to be one thing that goes away. This is going to be with him for the rest of his life. And so he's going to have people that want to know why. It's none of my business. Yeah, absolutely.

And we've seen moments like this in the NFL with coaches getting out of situations. you know, Bobby Petrino comes to mind with Atlanta when he got out of there. But this one just going down to the ninth hour, or all the way to the 11th hour, honestly. Maybe to the 15th hour, if that even counts. I already passed the point where it was agreed upon. It was pretty tough. I mean, Petrino had a chance to be that, I mean,

the same thing happened with from the job at the time. It took us too long to get to it, and he bailed on it. I mean, your word is with Jay Frazier? Yep, exactly. I mean, it wasn't like he was going in there to talk to craft and see what's up. he was going on to move out. How do you change? How do you do that?

That was the craziest part about it. I mean, that's why I think a lot of people bought into the idea that craft and the whole team there with the Patriots that gave him some sort of offer, some sort of Godfather offer. He couldn't refuse to stay in New England. That ended up being the popular narrative

that came out of there. But it's a crazy story. But just looking at the Colts and what they do from now, I mean, the tough part for them was, you know, they had a coach in place, obviously, so they stopped looking. They stopped reaching out. to coaches. They stopped trying to

put a committee together to try to find a guy to bring in to take over this team. And now they have to start back from ground zero, right? Yeah, no doubt. I mean, they're going to go back. I mean, Dan Campbell's coming in. Leslie Frazier will go in. And I just hope that has, and say, look, I put

my faith in this man to be, you know, and for me, whoever's ever that commitment, here there is. And the offensive line coach in place, and they got the B-line coach in place. Now, that's not real comfortable for any of those three because eventually, if they're not hired by the head coach, this taste full of all is the collateral damage that was done. Speaking of collateral damage, let's talk about the defensive coordinator for the New England Patriots,

a guy that's got a lot of grief since the Super Bowl game, and that is Matt Patricia. He goes to the Detroit Lions. He shaves his beard. He wears his suit. He looks like... He trimmed it. He trimmed it. That's right.

He trimmed it down to make it a nice and clean cut. You know, he looks like he's trying to be professional and dress up for the job. he had this moment during his press conference where he pulls out his pencil, his patented pencil, and says he wants to get a little bit comfortable, a little bit more comfortable, and he puts the pencil in his ear, and everyone was, I guess, impressed by that. But what do you got to say about Matt Patricia and just his first day on the job? He looks like a new man. I think Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn are friends, and there's a mutual trust between one of each of them.

And they sat next to each other, and they both philosophical ideas about how they want to build a football, team and what they do. And you know, you can say a lot of things about which guys right, which guys's wrong. But I think that unified that trust that they have in one another. They can get this thing where they can develop some toughness. They can develop some being united. How about Doug? Peterson was the fact that, you know, he learned on the job. He got better at what he did in Detroit. And I think it can because those two guys are so close. Yeah, and we should say Bob Quinn, the general manager for the Lions, uh, 12 years with New England and scouting and personnel. knows Matt Patricia pretty well. We know

how it all worked out with Jim Bob Cooter and Matt Stafford. They're pretty happy on the offensive side of the football. So Patricia really comes in and he has one focus that's getting that defense right and we saw some signs from that Lions defense that they have some stud players. And we obviously remember when Jim Schwartz was there

when they had Ziggy Anza and Domican Sioux and that great defensive line. So it's not like it can't happen with the Detroit lines putting a defense together. Yeah, they're going to have to do some work. I mean, let's face it. And he's going to have to prove to those players me, I think what Matt needs to do is to find out who he is and really, and the one thing we, you know, they don't work for snakes, the Mexican milk snake and the Texas snake, they

might look alike, but one's very dangerous. The other one, Matt, to just be authentic, but don't try to imitate him. Yeah, imitation only works if you're Frank Calliando, I think. That's about it. Well said. See, that was really well. Before we get out of here, any big other news stories around the NFL that we should catch up on, we obviously know. Darrell Weevis got cut. Isn't that a shock? Oh my gosh. That's surprising, huh? Tough for Revis. I miss Revis Island. I'm sure it's warm. You move on and you understand it, but I think that's the news of the week, and I think a lot of people in the league have a hard time figuring it out.

But we move forward, and we're doing there's celebrating. Now the hard work comes. They're now Virgil's saw, so they're going to be the hunted one. Absolutely. And maybe next year, Jason Kelsey will have some ice cream with us. Maybe Doug Peterson will join, and we'll all say good things about each other. We don't know. I think we should do a podcast from, I think we should go next year to Philly's training camp, do a podcast from there, hang out with Doug and talk and just really enjoy it. Because look, let's face it. Absolutely.

This has been another edition of GM Street, part of the Ringer Podcast Network. Thank you. Mike Lombardi. Thanks, Dave, Brazier.