The Ringer NFL Show - Josh Allen's Miscues, the Broncos Without Nix, and the Juggernaut Seahawks

Episode Date: January 18, 2026

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Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I am your host, Sheila Kapadia. Today we are talking about the two divisional round games that were played on Saturday. A Bill's Broncos thriller, Denver advances, but we'll have to move forward without Bo Nix. Can they win a Super Bowl with Jared Stidham? And where does the blame fall for the Buffalo Bills this time as they fall short once again? And then the night game, Seahawks just with a laffer against the 49ers. are they the team to beat the Seattle Seahawks?

Who knew? Maybe they are right now. To talk about it all, we are going to have my friend from the ringer, Deontay Lee. Join me. Let's take a break. We'll come back with Deontay. The ringer NFL show is presented by Fandul. Fan Duel's got it all. Same game parlay's quick bets for jumping in live and your way so you can build the bet that fits your play. Plus, don't miss out on the NFL playoffs all month long.

Download the Fandul app or head to fandul.com slash ringer NFL to get started. 21 plus and present in select states or 18 plus and present in D.C., Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-G-hobler or visit RG-Haltop.com. Call 1-88-7-8-8-7-9-77 or visit cCPG.org slash chat in Connecticut. Here on the Ringer NFL show, let's start with Bill's Broncos, Deonté. Just a devastating game for both fan bases. but this Bronco story, I don't remember anything like this.

You know, they go from Euphoria, win that thrilling overtime game against the Bills, advance to the AFC championship game. And during the game, we have no idea that anything's wrong with Bo Nix. And then Sean Payton goes to the podium afterwards and says, Bo Nix has suffered a season ending broken ankle on the second to last play in overtime and is out for the remainder of the season. So now the Broncos host the AFC championship game. game next week with Jared Stidham.

Deontay, we are one win away from Jared Stidham being in the Super Bowl. So here's my question to you. We have seen weird things happen all season. This has been an especially weird NFL season. You and I are, we remember Super Bowls of the past. We remember Nick Foles in 2017. We remember just sometimes everybody counts a team out because of an injury like this. And weird things happen.

Is there any chance that the Denver Broncos with Jared Stidham can still win the Super Bowl? I think yes, because I think no matter who wins on the other side of the AFC bracket, be it Drake May or C.J. Stroud or Patriots offense, Texan's offense, I should say. Denver's defense should feel confident, especially coming off of the performance they just had against Josh Allen, one of the three best quarterbacks in the NFL, that they can force turnovers, right? And I think that, you know, this game was weird in a lot of ways. I think it's really hard, I think, to have sat for like any of like these 30 minute increments and feel like you had a grasp on the flow of the game because things were swinging so often

between early turnovers for Buffalo, Denver's offense having absolutely nothing in the third quarter. And then you get a pretty electric finish between late and the fourth quarter and the overtime. But I do think if you're Denver on the whole, you should feel like we're not going to see another offense that runs the ball as well as Buffalo can run the ball at their best. And if we can just force a few turnovers, then it is within the realm of possibility that you can make a Super Bowl run. I think you're definitely rooting for the Patriots. We're recording this Saturday night after the first two games. So I think you're definitely rooting for the Patriots because that Texan's defense against Jared Stidham making his, what, fifth start in the NFL.

That's just going to be a tall, tall task. But to build on your point, here's the case. Great coach, Sean Payton, great defense. they'll be at home and they're facing a flawed opponent. This is not a juggernaut, regardless of who it's going to be. It's not a juggernaut coming in who you're just like, oh, man, you have no chance here.

So Sean Payton has an entire week to figure out a game plan that could potentially work. We did watch him with the Saints, you know. Teddy Bridgewater, he would have different guys come in and they would find ways to win a lot of games. There were stretches there where they were underdogs and they were winning games without Drew Brees. And then here's the most interesting thing to me,

Deante. We've talked a lot about Sean, Payton this year. And I don't think there's anything Sean Payton would like more for his legacy than to win a Super Bowl with Jared Stidham. I've said it a million times. He's a great coach. He's proven it again this year. He also doesn't hide the fact that he believes. He may believe he may believe he's the greatest coach of all time. His arrogance is only matched by like his opening script, which was terrific in this game. So this is a very funny little interesting side story to me. where we all look at it and go the Broncos are cooked.

And I know there's a part in Sean Payton. I don't know if it's head, heart, gut, where it is on his body, where he's saying, I'm going to go win the Super Bowl with Jared Stidham. And 25 years from now when you're talking about the great Bill Belichick and Andy Reid, my name's going to be right there with all those guys. Look, I'm sure that that is absolutely an aspiration of his, right? I think you can take some of the games they played in the second half of the season, I think about their game against the Raiders.

You think about their game against the Chiefs. You think about just kind of how they played in the second half of the season when they didn't have much of a passing game going. And they were kind of able to change gears and get into, hey, we're going to manage first and second down, get to third and two, throw the ball out in the flat, and you were just going to be banging your head against the wall as a defensive coordinator because there's nothing you can do

against our efficient ground game. I do think, though, if you're trying to lay out what the pathway looks like, you have to be really worried about Denver's rushing attack in this game, right? And I don't know if it was, I don't know how much of this, I think, comes down to just their short possessions in the third quarter.

Because I thought in the first half, they moved the ball on the ground decently, maybe not as well as you would have expected given the way the Buffalo has struggled in terms of run defense on the whole of the season. But them not being able to really dominate the trenches up front, losing to Ed Oliver when he was in the game, losing to Deoni Walker throughout the game.

I think you have to be a little bit nervous about what game flow would look like, even if you're trying to chart out, the most optimistic path. It's backs against the ball. It's unlikely. It's not no chance. I think that's how I would,

that's how I would describe it, that, you know, especially again in this wild season, that there is a chance. On Nick's just, I mean, that's tough for him. You know, that is so tough to put in all this work, the entire season, OTAs, mini-cam, training camp,

all season, you are one of the surprise teams in the NFL. He goes down the field. That last drive and regulation makes that beautiful throw. to Marvin Mims down the left sideline there to give the Broncos the lead. I mean, if they win the Super Bowl, that's like one of the plays you're talking about years from now when you're talking about this Super Bowl run.

And we were talking about the play where he got injured, where he goes down, he pops up, he throws it the very next play you would have never known. That's why this is so weird. Because I imagine there are Broncos fans who are driving home after the game, who were out and about celebrating the victory. And it wasn't even in your head.

You know, sometimes you have a game where then you're checking your phone. All right, I need to check updates for the quarterback because he went down in the second quarter. This wasn't that. They didn't mention it on the broadcast. And then all of a sudden you get the news after the game. So tough for Bo Nix, tough for Broncos fans.

But let's see what the Texans and Patriots show us on Sunday. And let's see what this matchup looks like next week. All right, the other side of the ball here, Deont. I suspect before the Knicks injury, this was going to be the biggest story, I think, potentially, coming out a wild card weekend. And that's the Buffalo Bills failing to get to the Super Bowl

once again. And I want to give you my take on this. And I want to try to offer a nuanced take because I do feel like this is one where people on both sides are going to be yelling. This is totally going to break a game. That's right. So you tell me if I'm able to pull this off or not. I am sympathetic

to Josh Allen's emotion he showed after the game. For those that didn't see it, he is up there at the podium with tears coming down. saying I let my teammates down. I do think he's a great player. I think there will be a year when he gets over the hump. Bill's fans, I'm not going to tell you when that is because I don't know how much more

heartbreak you can take. But having said that, I just think it's fair to point out that the Bill's lost this game in large part because Allen didn't play well enough and made too many mistakes. And I don't think that should be controversial. I don't think that should be a hot take. I just think that's the truth. I think it's okay to expect greatness when you have someone who you think is a great player who's a future Hall of Famer who's in his prime who has a big opportunity here to get to

the Super Bowl to get over the hump and he has four turnovers even if you say hey two weren't really on him that's fine two were on him I think he had a terrible play at the end of the first half where you're trying to be aggressive he scrambles he doesn't protect the football he fumbles and now you give the Broncos three points in a game that ended up going to overtime after bow knicks throws that interception in the second half. Josh Allen takes a deep shot. Deep shot. He's intercepted on that.

You don't get any points after getting a turnover when it looked like you were to control of the game. And then Dawson Knox on what looked like a touchdown for them. End of regulation. Third down. He's got him. I know he was pressured. He misses the throw.

And I know everybody misses throws from time to time. But I'm sorry, in a high leverage spot, in addition to those other mistakes, that was one that really could have changed the game. I know the bills don't have a great team. They needed Josh Allen to be great, and he wasn't. And I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that out loud. All right, what do you agree with? What do you disagree with there?

I think I'm right there with you. Funnily enough, I think ironically, I think my takeaway from this game is really similar to the conversation that me, you, and Stephen were having on this show last year after the Ravens Bill's divisional game, right? Where, yes, this is an excellent quarterback who did give his team an opportunity to get back in the lead to have a chance to put this game away late. But you look at those, you look at those sequence of turnovers. And it's rarely just the turnovers in a vacuum.

It's almost always how the turnover look and then what it immediately did to game flow, right? Late in the second quarter, you really could have just been playing out the string to get to halftime, but I'm not mad at trying to make a push to see if you can get in field goal range because you're playing at altitude, that extends your range, right? I think that you should be feeling good about trying to push. like that decision. 100%. Same with the scramble.

I wasn't mad at the scramble for Josh Allen. Especially with a superstar veteran quarterback. I feel good with the way guys are kicking now that it's a high scoring game. Your defense isn't great trying to get points there. So I actually disagreed with the broadcast there, not to interrupt you, but just wanted to make that distinction. Go ahead. No, I'm right there with you. And I think that, again, game flow matters at least so much for me, right?

They have been moving the ball at will in the first half, especially on the ground. I thought there was an opportunity to really catch Denver on their. heels going into the half. Not that they were going to put together a touchdown drive, but you get in range, maybe get an opportunity, you know, to take a big deep shot. Even with the scramble, hey, get what you can, see if you can maybe squeeze some extra out of it. He's really loose with the football. He has to own that 100% of the way to come right back out. And it's a tough situation to be in when your pass protection breaks down as quickly as it did in the first drive coming out of the half and you get blindsided. But again, ball security

matters, right? And for the big quarterback, one of these six, selling points of why Josh Allen is a game-breaking quarterback is that the guy is built like an ox, right? He's one of those humongous 6-4-plus, 230-plus-pound guys that edge rusher struggle to take down, and we expect him not to fumble even if he's taking sacks. So to have those back-to-back turnovers, which allowed Denver to get points in a really cheap way without having to be efficient on offense. And they were not towards the end of the half and opening up the second half, really all the way throughout the third quarter, I think that those really sting.

And I would say, while all of the misses are not on him, the one that was most disappointing was the deep shot he takes, which ended up being intercepted, right, by the backup safety in Denver. I'm locked because all he has to do is lay that ball out. I just think, to your point, and in the same conversation that we have with Lamar Jackson last year, you just can't because you are playing up against teams that are just talented enough to take that margin and win a game with it, even though they're playing flawed on the opposite side of the ball. And for an MVP, I don't think it's beyond the pale to say, hey, man, can we protect the ball a little bit better than what we saw on Saturday? Yeah, he made some great plays.

He's always almost every game you watch him. He will make great plays and he made a lot of great plays in this game. But I just look at it and it didn't unfold. If you told me they were going to lose, I didn't think they were going to lose this way. I didn't think this would have been the way it unfolded. I would have thought, man, they got gashed for 200 on the ground. Their defense just didn't, you know, couldn't get any stops. And Josh Allen was great, but you know what? It wasn't enough. And it's kind of not what happened if you watch this game.

All right, a lot of controversy at the end of this one, Deonté. So we're having a whole different conversation. If that throw to Brandon Cooks, which that was a great throw to your point, that was in overtime. And if he makes that catch downfield, Josh Allen just launches one downfield. It looks like Brandon Cook has it. It's third and 11. You're saying this is one of the best plays of the playoffs so far. Jaquan McMillan wrestles the ball out of his hands.

Officials rule interception. I thought it was a catch. I swear I watched it seven times. And every time I watch it, I go, it looks to me like he has control. His body is on the ground. He is being touched. And then the ball gets wrestled away. That's not how it was ruled.

Gene Sterator, who's their officiating analysis, and he agrees with the NFL's call. Really the only officiating analyst that I really like because he will go against the NFL is Terry McCauley. And he tweeted out, a player going to the ground to catch a pass, must maintain control during and after, contact with the ground.

That's the rule. Apply accordingly. And he said that they ruled it correctly. Now, I kind of feel like, He did have control going to the ground. What did you, what did you think? When you watched that, what did you think? What do you think about it now?

I think that this is one of the specific plays that is confounded, no matter how detailed they tried to be with the rules, right? Because there's just a confluence of events in a way that doesn't always come up when we're talking about possession, right? Because in most scenarios, if Brandon Cooks is not being tackled by Jaquan McMillan as that ball is going down and the ball just ricochets out as he rolls on his back. We say incomplete, right? Because he doesn't survive contact on the ground. And I try to apply that. The only issue with that in this scenario is that now we're talking about issues of

dual possession, right, which typically favor the offense. And we do allow receivers to use a defender's body to help secure possession when we're talking about these dual possession instances. But the fact that the ball bounced off the guy's shoulder plate and then he tries to trap it, the ball's never really secured in both hands. I think there's just enough space. where if you're an official and your initial ruling is interception to stick with it, I think if Brandon Cooks had plucked that out of the air and then in rolling over and wrestling with Mcmillan, McMillan comes out with it, you probably grant him dual possession there and say that, hey, offense wins.

But I think this was probably the one instance where I would be okay with a defender rolling over the top of an offensive player coming out with the ball and you're calling it a turnover. But that's just like, again, about as tough a way to have a game to. catch on the field, it feels like you're not overturning that at all. There's no what you're not overturning it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how many different ways Bill's fans can just have their hearts broken. I mean, that's just going to be another play. That's just like, how many of these can they have year after year? Man, again, I felt Josh Allen's pain. This isn't me. Like, I actually

love that when I see a player lose like that and show that a bullshit. I'm just like, great, that shows how much it means to him. He wants to control it in this, you know, in these 15 minutes in front of the media, they don't want to be doing that. But he just can't control it. It's shortly after the loss. He's feeling it. He probably feels what we were saying, that I am a great player.

I expect more of myself. And if I don't, because in their past losses, it wasn't like this. He did everything he could. And they still lost. This one was different where it felt like he was responsible for, again, and it's not everything. I know there were other things in this game. but he was responsible for some of the key mistakes, high leverage plays, where that hasn't been the case in the heartbreaking losses of the past.

So again, they just find a different way here, which is really, really tough. Hang in there. The funny thing for me is like, even with the turnovers today, you can still make a very credible argument that he's still the best player that we saw in the playoffs so far. Oh, yeah. Like, I would say that he was probably the most valuable player that we've had in the postseason up to this point. Right.

Like, and that's factoring in all the missed opportunities. that they weren't able to connect on deep passes, the turnovers, you know, not being able to have the kind of pocket feel that we typically associate with Josh Allen and high leverage moments. Still, with all of those things that went wrong, I don't feel like there's any quarterback understanding that I would trust more in the postseason than I have Josh Allen so far. Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah, I totally agree with that. That's why I won game sample. This is what happens here. The defensive pass interference penalties on that last Broncos drive. Deontza, I don't know if you had strong takes on those. There were two of those for 47 yards. I think that'll be a big talking point coming out of this game. I thought the first one was bogus, but I think that the Bosa roughing the passer probably gets called most of the time anyway. So that one, it's like, all right, they got 17 yards instead of 15 yards. And the second one I kind of thought was legit when they when they slow it down. I don't like that that's, you know, how it is decided. I hate underthrow defensive PIs, but they're a real thing.

Trey White was wrong. It's passing interference. Every D.B. Who gets caught in those underdows scenarios that end up undercutting the receiver as they're in the air. They get called for it a thousand percent of the way. The Taron Johnson one, I'm with you, totally bogus. And I think the referees totally misplayed that. You wave off the defensive pass interference.

You reward them with the roughing the passer. They get their 15 yards. That very much felt like referees are saying, hey, this one's a more punitive one. Yeah, man. And they had those two plays. I mean, you got two plays where your starter go. down, the backup has to go in, they attack the backup. And those are literally two of the biggest plays, two touchdowns, two of the biggest

plays of the game. And I can't even hate on Dane Jackson because that was a dime from Bo Nix to Marvin Mitz. He wasn't like, you know, he didn't get cooked on that play or anything. It took a great throw, a great catch. And they made the play. But, you know, listen, good job by the Broncos identifying that right away and saying, we are attacking them right now. first one was Darnell Savage coming in as the safety and he overruns it and they get the touchdown and the second one to danger. So all these things that had to happen for the bills to suffer the heartbreak and now they're probably looking at it going, oh my gosh, now the Broncos are advancing and they don't even have their quarterback. Right.

You know, it somehow got worse if you're a Bill's fan after the game was over. All right, let's take a break. We come back. We get to Seahawks 49ers. All right, we are back here on the Ringer NFL show. listen, this Seahawks Niners game is not as fun to talk about. It was a blowout. It felt like it was over about, you know, 10 minutes into the game.

10 minutes. 15 seconds. 10 seconds. Yeah, as soon as that kickoff. I know. That game was basically over. Yeah, that was like the play the Niners needed, I felt. You know, they needed like a special team's play to win this game.

So Seahawks blow them out. And it's just the Seahawks are in great position to win the Super Bowl. They just are. The defense is suffocating. They have a great coach, a great scheme, great players. you know, Purdy made some plays out of structure, but you can't run the football on them. I think that's the big thing.

Like, nobody can run the football on the Seahawks. They're just too good up front. It felt for a while there, like every play was going to result in a turnover. Like DeMarcus Lawrence is just chasing plays down. And I'm like, uh-oh, watch out. We're watch out. He just misses with the punch.

And so I don't know what else to say about him, other than their run game has really picked it up and their run game looked great here. They're great on special teams. And so you got Mike, we talked about this briefly before the pod. We don't like to do the pod before the pod, but we couldn't help ourselves. We both had the same thought that they kind of feel like last year's Eagles, where this defense is just going to kind of suffocate teams. You know, Mike McDonald is millennial Vic Fangio.

It feels like Deonté, and they can just take games over. And now they're going to get the Bears or the Rams at home next week. And then it's going to be the Broncos, Patriots, or Texans in the Super Bowl. they're going to be favored against every single opponent in the field right now. Are you buying them as the prohibitive favorites to win the Super Bowl

after what we saw in this game? I think I am. I think that they put a little bit of distance. I think I was convinced too. Yeah, I think they put a little bit of distance between themselves and everyone else in the NFL right now. And it is reminiscent of Lashers Eagles team

because this was also kind of around that point in time. I would say the wild card game against the Packers was the first. was when I really kind of felt like, man, it feels like Philadelphia is playing at a different rate of speed than the other teams in the playoffs. And when you watch Seattle, especially on defense, and I was saying in the run game today as well against San Francisco, it just looks like they're moving at a different gear, right? Their recognition of what their opponents are trying to do and their ability to take

advantage of it happens instantly, even when things go wrong, right? When you're forcing turnovers on a completion after the guy gets past the chains, It looks like San Francisco is starting to build a little bit of momentum in the first quarter. You immediately get a strip, right? And you get a forced turnover that ends up putting you up, you know, a few more points. You have Brock Prady out there scrambling around trying his best to get away from the pass rush. And still it's closing in. Then you have them trying to operate with an structure from the pocket.

And guys aren't open. And in that sense, it feels very reminiscent to last year's playoff run from Philadelphia, where it feels like they are just pulling all the right levers at exactly the right time. You calling Mike McDonald this generation's Big Fangio is very fitting, I think. And I think they go about it a little bit differently. Like I think that Big Fangio, for all of his success, he gets out of split safety stuff. At the end of the day, he's kind of like a boilerplate, defensive coordinator, right? Like he's going to do whatever he thinks is going to take away an offense's best look.

I think with Mike McDonald, there's almost more like, I don't want to call it, a rigid adherence, but I do think that there is just like a different level of belief that they can stop the run out of these split safety shells. And I think it was borne out in today's game against the 49ers. They don't have to get in the base because of what Eminem Worry gives you. When they do get into base, all that really means is that they have another bully in the box, right? They look so much bigger, so much tougher, so much more physical than San Francisco between the

tackles. You could tell, I mean, even as early as that fourth and one where they try to go with that kind of speed option between Kyle Uschek and Christian McCaffrey. My first instinct is to mock Kyle Shanahan and in a moment I stopped thinking that, I'm like, if I were him holding that play sheet, what the hell are you going to call?

That's going to gain you a yard against that defensive front. There's probably nothing on the sheet right now, at least not on the ground. And I think that you kind of illuminated that perfectly, the fact that they can stop the run as physically and as dominantly as they show today and that they can do it out of those split safety shelves, which mean you're not going to get the cheap play action passes.

You're not going to be able to set up those throws in the middle of the field the way that you would like to. It just speaks so well to what Mike McDonald's been able to build in a short amount of time. I don't know if I would call him this generation's Big Fangio as much as like, he might really be the defensive equivalent of Sean McVeigh. And this might be, you know, hopefully it goes better than it did for the 2018 Rams for the Seahawks. But this kind of feels very reminiscent to like that 2018 Rams run offensively just on the other side of the ball,

where it just seems like they are doing something that the rest of the league just does not have an answer for. It doesn't have a prayer of coming up with an answer for. It's pretty incredible to do that in year two of a new team where, yes, you've changed personnel, but I'm sure they're got, you know, I'm sure they would still like to do more tinkering. It's not, it's not perfect.

It's kind of patchwork parts. Honestly, like, especially you think up front, DeMarcus Lawrence was not looked at as a guy that you absolutely had to have on the way out from Dallas. Same with Leonard Williams. When he's leaving New York, nobody was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe Leonard Williams is switching teams and what is the league going to do now about Leonard Williams in Seattle.

He's been able to take these guys and mold him. Ernest Jones, anyone could have had. I mean, you look at the way that he started. It is hard for me to feel like whatever happens in Chicago between Chicago and Los Angeles on Sunday is going to sway my opinion on what I think is about to happen in the NFC the rest of the way. Yeah, you know, I picked the bears.

but as I'm just in terms of matchup, if the Rams win, that'll be very fun to see those two teams go at it one more time. Those have been the two teams by DVOA, you know, Marge. They have looked like the two best teams in the NFL for most of the season. And so if that ends up being the NFC championship game, then that will be fun.

But listen, if the bears are going to continue this run, that's been one of the most fun stories in the NFL as well. But yeah, your point with McDonald is it's such a sign of great, coaching when it's like these aren't players that might be this great elsewhere. You are literally, you are getting stuff out of these guys because you know their skill set and you know how to position them for success and they feel so confident in your scheme that they are reaching a level that they would not reach in other places. That is the sign of good coaching. Like there, there's

nothing more than that. When you see that, you know you've got a guy. So yeah, I love your McVeigh comparison there too. This was the 49ers. second worst offensive game by EPA per drive under Kyle Shanahan behind only his first game as the 49ers head coach in week one of the 2017 season. Now I was just looking this up, Deontay, two of Shanahan six worst, six worst offensive games as the 49ers head coach have come in the last two meetings against the Seahawks, week 18 and this one. I know the 49ers were short-handed and, you know, and dealing with injuries. and they overachieved this season. But still, that is very, very impressive from Mike McDonald. So we'll do a 49ers post-bortem on a future episode.

There was too much to talk about today. They've got a lot of questions in the offseason. Obviously, they overachieved with all those injuries. But this was not a night that 49ers fans will want to remember. All right. Thank you to my friend, Deonté Lee. Thanks to everyone for listening. Thanks to Christopher Sutton for producing Stefano Sanchez on video,

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