The Ringer NFL Show - Micah Parsons Is a Packer, and Jerry Jones May Have Lost Cowboys Fans Forever

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Sheil is joined by The Ringer’s own Diante Lee to share their instant reaction to the shocking blockbuster trade that sent star edge rusher Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers. They analyze the details of the trade, shine a light on how this benefits the Packers, and debate where Jerry Jones and the Cowboys go from here. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.rg-help.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Sheil KapadiaGuest: Diante LeeProducer: Chris SuttonSocial: Kiera Givens and Brian WatersProduction Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Rigger NFL show. Shield Capadia here. Join by my friend Deontay Lee, we got a little emergency pod because in a stunner, the Dallas Cowboys have traded Michael Parsons to the Green Bay Packers for two first round picks and defensive tackle. Kenny Clark Parsons gets a four-year, $188 million extension that includes $120 million, fully guaranteed at signing. making him the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL.

Deonti, I came on this pot earlier in the week and was doing, don't fall for Jerry Jones's shenanigans. Give me a break. This is going to get done. I'm not, you're wasting headlines. We're wasting pot. Whoops, got that one wrong. So I was shocked by you, your level of shock when you saw from 1 to 10,

maybe 10's Luca Donchich. From 1 to 10, what was your level of shock when you saw this trade go down today? To me, it's a 9, right? And I'm sure we'll get into all the reasons why. Right. The only reason why it's not a tent is because of a little bit of the drama and bluster, I guess, that has been going on for the last month or so with this contract negotiation. But you couldn't have told me when I was talking with our colleague, Lindsay Jones, about being available this weekend. You know, we were talking more in the context of the contract's going to get done. So let's just make sure we're ready. We'll have something we can get bag down really quick and get up on the site. I did not believe for one solitary moment that I would end my Friday looking at my phone seeing that Michael Parsons is a Green Bay Packer now. Absolutely. Stunner. Same here. All right. Like Deiante said, we're going to get into every aspect of this deal from the

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Let's retrace real quick how it happened. Jerry Jones thought he was negotiating with Michael Parsons. This has all been reported, the athletic, ESPN everywhere. Parsons didn't view it that way. And he said explicitly, I want my agent present. Well, Jerry sends the offer to Parsons agent, and they're saying, no, we're still negotiating. You didn't agree to anything with our player. And so rather than try to make something work there and still get to the end line and

Michael Parsons is still a cowboy, they end up trading him. So what is your sense beyond that, if there is anything beyond that, of how the cowboys could let it get to this point and why this actually happened? You know, we say a lot about Jerry Jones. One thing that I would say about them is that usually the most straightforward interpretation is exactly what happened. And to me, I think it's very telling that we never heard anything from Michael Parsons or David Mulligeta about any of the contract figures or length of deal or anything like that. There was no corroboration coming from Micah's side that, yeah, we did talk about the rough outline of a deal and we felt good about it.

And then when Micah brought it to David Mulligetta, he said, no, this is not how we do things. What we've heard is what Jerry Jones believes was the process in trying to get this contract signed. And I think it was very telling that today, a couple of hours before we got news of the trade, we heard about, you know, we heard very specifically from ESPN reporting, NFL network reporting that he put a five-year, $200 million deal on the line, right, for Jerry, or excuse me, for Michael Parsons at that time. And that's not market, that wasn't market value then. It certainly wasn't market value after guys like TJ Wat got signed for a higher AAB than that. You don't usually see non-quarterbacks take five-year deals either because you'll miss out on market. So to me, I just think it's really telling the way that some of the information is disseminated. And then I think ultimately, and the thing I've been thinking about a lot is clearly the fact that Michael Parsons was not willing to just take the Jerry Jones bluster and handle his business privately seem to really chuff everybody in the Cowboys organization.

When it was Jack Prescott's turn, he kept the relies, he'll be quiet, believing that he was going to get the deal done. Hey, if they've got to tag me, they've got to tag me. We'll get it worked out. When it was Ezekiel Elliott, they got it worked out, right? All these guys so far have gotten paid quietly and let Jerry Jones do the Jerry Jones thing. I think the fact that Michael Parsons decided to go his own public route kind of speaks to what their relationship was, how easy and I think how tenuous it was for it to break down. And the fact that we're here now, I guess once you look at the entire order of events,

knowing that the trade happened, I think that it kind of follows a little bit more of a logical pathway than maybe we would have gave it credit for as things were happening in real time, because I just don't think you couldn't have assumed that he would be traded at the into this. It's a great point. If you're a star player in Dallas, you're probably like, all right, this is how Jerry does it. It's cool. I'm going to get my money at the end of the day. Well, for one guy, it didn't seem like he was cool with that and he didn't want it to happen that way. And this is different. I mean, to me, this marks a new era of Cowboys football, one in which Jerry Jones is no longer qualified to run the team. And you can say,

come on, shield, that day came a long time ago. But I would point out that for all the nonsense, they always got to a place where Dak Prescott remained a cowboy, where C.D. Lamb remained a cowboy to where they were winning 36 games from 2021 to 2023, second in the NFL to only the Chiefs. But this is different. This is a disaster on so many levels because it symbolizes that Jerry Jones doesn't know what it requires to run an NFL franchise anymore. I mean, maintaining a relationship with a powerful agent who you're going to be doing negotiations with with a lot of your best players. That's like, we can make a very short list, Deonté,

of what you need to do as a GM, and that's going to be on that list. Well-run organizations, you draft a guy, you develop him, he plays well, he plays through injuries. You lock him up early to your point. Early, top of the market. And even if you don't, like with that, can see the, all right, you still get there eventually and you pay them at the top of the market.

The thing here is this should have been an easy negotiation. Michael Parsons, like over 90% of the time is going to play the last. of this contract, and it's not going to be an issue. So, man, if you're a Cowboys fan, you've got to be sick to your stomach. You let a future Hall of Famer, one of the three best defensive players in the NFL, walk through the door. And if you're everyone else, if you're Deonti, if you're me, if you're a commander's fan, if you're a Packers, you're laughing at the Cowboys,

because now they have to be viewed as one of the worst-run franchises in the NFL. I mean, 100%, right? And again, I think it bears repeating that no. of this had to play out this way. Right. To me, if you want to, there's no, there's nothing wrong with GMs and ownership driving hard bargains on contract negotiations. We see San Francisco do this all the time.

Eventually, they usually land on a number that works for the player that they're trying to retain, but those can be very protracted negotiations. We see that across the league, period, plenty times with veterans. What it never had to be was an entire relationship breakdown. And I will say, we spoke a little bit earlier about how the relationship broke down between Micah and Jerry Jones, based on just kind of how we're reading the tea leaves. I also think, and you pointed this out, it does not make any sense to me if you're Jerry Jones, why you would give David Mulligeta your ass to kiss.

That makes no sense to me. I don't understand that. I can't grasp that. This is one of the most powerful agents in American sports, period. Not just the NFL. American sports, period. And his client list is long and his relationships with other organizations is very deep, right? And people have very strong feelings about how he negotiated.

for players. I don't think that you were ever going to win the staring contest with this guy. And that's why to me, I always figured that there was no way we would get to this point. There's no way you're going to look at David Mulligeta and Michael Parsons, a guy that's been an all pro basically from the moment that you dropped him on the edge full time. He was either the best or one of the three best edge rushers in the NFL. There was no way that you were going to let that walk out your door. And you certainly weren't going to do it for two first and an aging defensive tackle

who's fresh off maybe the worst year of his career. Right now, after you went and acquired a George Pickens, after you spent all this draft capital bringing an offensive lineman, we have been talking all offseason about, hey, the Cowboys are a sneaky team. They got some issues on the back end defensively, but, you know, the offense looks good. You've got Michael Parsons. Maybe you can get high.

And this team might be, you know, in the divisional or conference championship around if things go right. Definitely not the case anymore. And it's wild how one move can just totally change the trajectory, especially for a non-quarterback. And I think that speaks to how important Mike is to this team. And the fact that, like you said, we're looking at a team that just does not know, I think, how to maintain itself as a contender in this era of football.

Yeah, normally my bad takes don't get exposed to week three or week four, Deontay. But Cowboy's sneaky playoff team, don't worry about the Parsons thing. It'll get done. Tough start for your boy for the 2025 season. But, you know, a lot of football left for the take. Sorry, you mentioned the comp. Let's take a break when we come back. talk about the compensation and then talk about what this means for the Packers.

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Mack was a two-time all-pro. Parsons is a four-time all-prime. I mean, you mentioned it. Parsons has finished top three in defensive player the year voting in three of four seasons. So I don't know how you do this deal if you're the Cowboys. Two first-round picks and Kenny Clark, a defensive tackle entering his age 30 season who had one sack last year. I'm not here to clown Kenny Clark. He's at a very good career.

But if you're looking at just a comparison here, one sack last year in 17 starts as the veteran you wanted to add. So my thing is, if they would have put out a thing to the whole NFL, hey, we can't make this work with Michael Parsons. We're trading him. Get your best offers in by whatever this time on Thursday afternoon. They're 100% getting a better offer than they actually got. Is that the way you see it as well? 100%. I mean, we talked about, you know, we were talking off Michael.

about the Anthony Davis trade a little bit right before we got on. And a big piece of the reporting about that trade is that this was not an open negotiation, right? People could have gotten more for a Luca Donchick if they knew that that guy was on the market. If we would have heard in May or June ahead of mini camp or coming out of mini camp, going into training camp, hey, we're probably going to be looking at dealing this guy. At least we're open to it. Send your best offer. And I think if you're thinking wisely, if you're thinking most prudently about your situation with Michael Parsons, I'm not dealing a guy that's on an expiring contract. I'm dealing a guy that I actually have three years of team control left on. Right. I can still tag him twice after the fact.

So you really have to blow me away if you want to peel this all pro player entering his prime off my roster, especially if you're going to be negotiating with teams that are in your conference. I don't know how two first round picks and a veteran gets the job done. I tweeted earlier today that two first round picks and a day two pick to me was like the bare minimum. It starts there. To pick up the phone. Two first round picks and a day two pick is what it's going to take just to get me to take you seriously. And then we can start talking about what veteran player can I get maybe to make sure that all of our books are balanced.

And I have a guy that I might want to retain that can either show up in Micah's place or can address another. need. This is way too easy. I mean, we could have sat on a podcast for 30 minutes and just throwing out deals just like this for all 32 teams. And it all would have made the exact same amount of sense. So to me, if you're Dallas, what is this actually addressing for you? Because the chances are this pick could be anywhere from 28 to 32. This could be a Super Bowl winning team. This could be a final four team, you know? So I'm really just struggling with understanding the compensation of why they accepted it. And if you're a Green Bay, this is the exact kind of team that needs to make this move. You're settled out quarterback long-term deal. You've got a teaming offense that could break out

at any time if everybody stays healthy. You've got a defense that performed way over a tent last season and didn't have any star guys. You just got your star. And now you have, and you had the ability to pay a star if you could acquire one. I mean, you have to be throwing a party if you're in Wisconsin right now. I'm with you. And frankly, like, I have seen some of the contrarian takes out there that what did the Cowboys win with Micah Parsons and you don't give up two first round picks for a non-quarterback? I can't believe anybody. I honestly, like I like doing, you know, we like doing the contrarian take.

All right, let me get to the other side and see if I can. I don't know how you could do that with this trade. It's embarrassing. And here's the thing. I don't want to hear anyone make the argument that, oh, the Cowboys, you know, now they're geared up for a rebuild because they have four first round picks in the next two years and maybe they're just these analytical mastermind.

That's not what happened. If they traded him, like you said, if they traded him before the draft and got three first round picks and said, okay, I still wouldn't defend it because I don't like to let Hall of Fame players in their prime and premium positions walk out the door. That's just May, a little team building. But if they did that, then I could say, okay, at least Jerry Jones,

within the last two weeks, tried to sit down and hammer out a contract with Michael Parsons. So don't, now if we see stuff about injury history or behind the scene, I don't want to hear any of that because you wanted to keep him. You just didn't know how to keep him. So, yeah, I don't want to hear any of that stuff. The one thing I will say about the pool of teams is that Parsons had to want to go to the team because part of the trade had to be Parsons signing the long-term deal with the team.

So he actually had control over this. And, you know, you mentioned his agent, David Mulligetto, who during the whole Deshaun Watson stuff, I mean, if you want to see how much power that guy has over the insiders and the national media because it was embarrassing the stuff that was being put out there and it put a bad taste in my mouth and I still don't agree with it. But if you're a player and you're looking at this, you're like he was able to control the situation and get his player out of a bad spot there. So yeah, if there was another team who called and said, hey, we'll give you more. They could have said, no, we don't want to sign there. Now, if you're the Cowboys, you could also

then say, all right, cool, then we're not trading you to your point. We have you under contract this year and we have you for two more years with the franchise tag. So yeah, I don't like any of those justifications. But let's get to the Packer's side of this. Deonti, you mentioned it earlier. In your mind, what does it do in terms of raising their ceiling for this year? Maybe for the next three years. I mean, how do you look at this team differently now than you did a few hours ago? You know, when we were talking last season to open the year trying to make our predictions about what this team might be, a lot of the conversation we're having is this team goes from frisky to serious if one of these wide receivers break out. And maybe they just

just get something out of the defense. Now, you have taken, that's not necessarily a conversation piece that's off the board, but it's so, it is so much less necessary for you to meet the threshold of being a Super Bowl contending team. You just look at the depth chart now and everything on the defense, everything with this whole 53 man makes so much more sense for Green Bay. Obviously, they still have losing Kenny Clark that will have some defensive tackle issues that they've got to work out. But truth is, Kenny Clark was probably not going to be on this roster in 2026. This was probably going to be his last year in Green Bay anyways. And the guy was on the downslope career-wise based on what we saw in his prime, you know, a half decade ago or so.

So if you're a Green Bay, it's a win from that respect. And then the thing that I was thinking a lot about and I was trying to pull some stats up on, we talked a lot in season last year about this team performing over expectation because of what they were able to do in terms of turnovers, how many sacks they were able to get in spite of the fact that they were kind of middling in terms of pressure rate. the amount of blitzing and creative blitzing that they had to do to get to the quarterback to affect plays, the best way to get out of that world and into one that's more stable is to be able to get plays in the backfield. And you get that by having great guys up front. And they just got maybe the best young guy up front outside of like Will Anderson and Jared Verst,

these guys who are on rookie deals. Right. So I think if you're Green Bay now, you can feel like we don't have to be experts, right? I don't need Jeff Hathley to be Brian Flores as a defensive play caller. to be able to get home. If this guy wants to spend more time just rushing forward, then we can do that. And now if you're Lucas Van Ness,

if you're Kingsley-Eyennek-Barre, if you're any of these guys that they have been waiting to turn the corner, congratulations. You just got bumped down the pecking order and you get much better matchups now. We can do way different things for you to be productive as a player. It's a dream, I think, if you're a DB, if you're another defensive lineman,

knowing that Michael Parsons is on the edge, because every single snap, you know that your opposing quarterback is going to be looking as soon as the huddle breaks, where is number 11 and do we have bodies that can handle that guy? So I think this is a win all around for them. Yeah, I love the point about just how much he helps the other players on the Packers defense. I mean, we see this all the time.

Like there are certain positions. How often do we say, oh, when this left tackles out, this offense performs way worse or right tackle. How much when T.J. Watts off the field for the Steelers, all the on-off splits. That's what it is. I mean, you look at Parsons, even last year. He comes back from the, you know, when he was playing, their defense was an a different world than it was when he wasn't playing. And so now you're right, it just adds so much flexibility if you're the Packers,

youngest roster in the NFL. Quarterback wasn't perfect last year, but you feel like he's got that ceiling. You've got a coach who's had a winning record in five or six seasons. So I think we both think is one of the better coaches in the NFL. He's won 11 plus games four times. And so nobody's Reggie White. I will not say Reggie White. But if you're like a longtime Packers fan, you're looking at it.

This is as close as you get, that you get, one of the elite defensive players who can wreck a game who on Monday or Tuesday when that offense is game planning and all right. This is where it starts with Michael Parsons. And you didn't have that guy before. You have that guy now. So I think it just helps some. I already thought they were a playoff team and maybe a Super Bowl contender this year.

And now you just added one of the best defensive players in football here. So I think it also kind of extends your window a little bit. But again, these types of players just are not available. There's always a catch. Even with Miles Garrett, remember early in the offseason, it's like, well, he's going to turn 30. Okay, all right, a little bit older. Sometimes the guys has some injuries. Sometimes there's a flaw to his game.

This type of player who's missed five games and four seasons, again, he's going to be a future Hall of Famer, is in his prime, is a game wrecker. They don't become available and you were just able to land him. So unbelievable fortune for the Green Bay Packers. All right. I guess we should finish with this, Deonté, the Dallas. Cowboys. And listen, if you're a Packers fan, are like, hey, you should have given us more time. We're going to be talking about your team a lot this year.

You might have from now until February to get some time to talk about the Paco. And I were texting earlier. He said, I want to see the cheesehead. I said, I'm going to, I think I'm going to have a lot of opportunities to put the cheese head on this year. So I'm not going to put it on right now. So we'll get to that. But the Cowboys, Deontae, where do they go from here? I mean, what is this season hold? What does the off season hold? Where are they in terms of rebuild versus contender? How do you even make sense of this if you have like a demoralized Cowboys fan in your life?

I mean, the most demoralized person that has anything to do with the Cowboys is probably Matt Iber Fluse, right? Like the whole sales pitch for me to be here is that in spite of all the issues we have on the back seven, I've at least got Mike Parsons. Now we're looking at maybe outside of Miami, the worst defense of Too Deep in the league. We're talking about a defense that has dealt with injury issues for what feels like the last four years in a row, where these guys have been very athletic, they can fly around, but when they're not forcing turnovers,

teams can dictate the terms, and then guys start dropping because they play so light, and then you get to the end of the season, and these guys can't hold up against anybody that has any kind of legible run game or teams that can hold up in protection. I don't know what you're supposed to do if you're Dallas to eke out wins, at least against like the above 500 level teams.

And we've talked throughout preview season. Nobody in the NFC East has an easy schedule. You're going to be seeing NFC North teams. You obviously got to see all your divisional rivals twice. Things can crater and it might not have anything to do with what's going on on on the other side of the ball, right? Dak Prescott can throw for 4,200 yards and 35 touchdowns. And this might still be a below 500 team.

This is probably about as close as what you could have to last year with Cincinnati and maybe worse because at least they had Trey Hendrickson rush in the past wherever you play. Yeah, I had them, I think, in my defensive rankings on the ringer, 21, 23, something like that. Because of your point, it was Michael Parsons, and then they got some rough injury stuff. And I don't think Iber Fluse has been a, hey, I can do more with less type defensive coach.

And now I would have them even lower. I mean, they got to be in the bottom quartile of NFL defenses right now. So looking ahead past this year, I was thinking, Deontay. Dak Prescott, let's say what you just said plays out. And he has a nice season. The team stinks. He sees them trade. Micah Parsons, is there like a scenario where Jerry says,

hey, we just did the doc for Netflix, you know? We had the Herschel Walker trade and we rebuilt that baby with Jimmy Johnson. And what if Dak Prescott says, I don't want to play here anymore? Micah forced his way out. I'm going to get my agent on the phone and do the same thing. I mean, could something, could this just go like way downhill in a hurry? Well, that's kind of the nuclear option, right? is they look at a quarterback that's entering or nearing his mid-30s and you say, all right,

this is the guy that might have had injury issues. We're not in a position to go contend. We can make you maybe like a post-June 1st trade to try to mitigate some of our cap losses and maybe send you to a team that didn't draft a quarterback early enough to feel like they've got their franchise option. Maybe that could be on the table, especially if this season plays out anything like what it did last year, right? And Dallas, I thought, was much more competitive. then they probably got credit for, especially because DAC wasn't there, so people were not as interested in watching. How could the vibes possibly be strong enough to be able to get you through this?

And if you're Brian Schadenheimer, come on, man. Like, throw me a bone here. You know, I've had to deal with all this criticism since I've been hired about how I don't deserve this job. And now you have made my job maximally difficult in a way where it did not have to be. If you're Jack Prescott, yeah, I think that this has got to be your best season. and if not, if I'm DAC, I might be looking like, is this an opportunity for me to pull to Matthew Stafford

and go someplace that can allow me to go contend for a Super Bowl after this year? Maybe replace Matthew Stafford, as you said, I'm just saying. As you said that, Deontay, the trade wheels are always... The wheel start turning. They're all they start turning. No, I'm with you. Yeah, as we do, like, happiest people about this trade, Matt LaFleur, Jeff Halfley, Packers fans, Micah Parsons,

Jordan Milada Larry Tunsell Jaden Daniels Jalen Hertz I think those are the happiest biggest bummer Matt Eber Fluse Brian Schottenheimer

Cowboys fans I think we hit those are most of them right am I missing Caleb Williams after all the sacks he took last year

that's a good one he's got to be stressed out about this yeah last thing because as we you know we're thinking about that Dack Prescott scenario

our friend Connor and Evans at the ringer before we came on did mention the name Arch Manning to me. And I said, ooh, I'm going to credit you

because I didn't think about that. Now they have two first round picks in this upcoming draft. And I know, we don't know if Arch Manning's going to come out or not. If things go really sideways, like what if Dak Prescott

has another injury riddled season? That's something to keep an eye on or even 2027. You know, what if they go into this offseason and say, let's trade Zach Prescott, let's get more draft capital. And I don't, you know, whether it's a full-on,

tank or a kind of tank and they say Arch Manning 2027. So that if you're a Dallas fan, I mean, you're trying to hold on something after Luca and now this. So maybe that's one little nugget on your group chats if you want to say one positive thing. Maybe there

would be that kind of light at the end of the time. Listen, I mean, you're in Philadelphia. You know what it was like during the drags of the trust of process era when the Phillies weren't really competitive either. We're also talking about kind of like the nadir of the Andy Reed era So things can get really dark really quickly going that way.

I do think it's interesting if you are looking forward at quarterback. That is the only way in which you can salvage this, is if you say, we've got a plan. We're just going to deal with 2025 as 2025. We'll come to the table and figure out what we want to do with DAC. And if we can get some additional draft capital for this guy, then yeah, maybe we'll take a swing at a quarterback, use the DAC draft capital out in the future to start rebuilding the rest of this franchise around

whoever the next one's going to be. But again, man, now we're just talking about projecting out like three, four years into the future. And this comes back to what I said at the top of the show, man. I don't know what immediate need this trade serves if you're Dallas. And there's a chance that the long term doesn't pay it off either. Because like I said, Green Bay can be 29, 30th, 31st, 32nd in the first round over the next couple seasons. And this team could very easy, this cowboy team could very easily just be mired. and the same mediocrity that we've watched for them the entire time.

If you're a Cowboys hater, here's, here's one more thing to dream on. You know, maybe commanders fans, Eagles fans, Giants fans. What if they get in position? And then, you know, Arch's family says, we don't want to go play for, no, we want to play for a franchise that knows what he's doing. And the whole thing blows up in their face. Sorry. That thought popped into my head.

So I had to share it. All right, this was fun. I think we covered most of it. Listen, there's going to be a lot more conversation about this. in the episodes ahead, but I think we hit on all the big stuff. So thank you to Deante. We're not doing a hurry up segment today. There's no other news to talk about.

This is the only news to talk about. So I don't need to give you anything for a minute or two minutes. So that'll be it for today. Everyone, have a great weekend. Thank you for listening and appreciate Christopher Sutton for producing Kiera Givens on social and additional production supervision by Connor Nevins and Arjuna. We'll be back Monday on the ring of NFL show. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D.C.C.? Gambling problem.

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