The Ringer NFL Show - Mike Tomlin Steps Down! Now What for Him and the Steelers?

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

Sheil and The Ringer’s own Billy Gil get together to share their instant reactions to the news of Mike Tomlin stepping down as the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. (00:00) Mike Tomlin steps down! (1:26) What's next for Mike Tomlin? (18:29) Head coach pros and cons (20:41) Mike Tomlin on TV? (22:53) Billy Gil's Netflix pitches The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Sheil Kapadia Guest: Billy Gil Producer: Chris Sutton Video Editor: Stefano Sanchez Social: Kiera Givens and Brian Waters Production Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Capadia, breaking news in the NFL on Tuesday. Mike Tomlin stepping down as the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach after 19 years. A huge move with ripple effects around the NFL. We're going to talk about the different angles. What does Mike Tomlin do? Should anyone try to trade for him?

Is he going to join TV? Is he going to join the podcasting world? Is there something else he's going to do? We're going to get to all of it with my guest today, the ringers, Billy Gill. Let's take a break. We will come back with Billy. The Ringer NFL show is presented by Fandul. FanDul's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in live and your way so you can build the bet that fits your play. Plus, don't miss out on the NFL playoffs all month long. Download the Fandul app or head to

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talking Mike Tomlin with our friend, Billy Gill. Billy. I feel like there are three ways this goes here with Mike Tomlin. I want to get into all of them. One is he gets traded and he's coaching somewhere next year in the NFL, not with the Steelers, but somewhere else. That's one option. Option number two, sits out a year, two years, maybe three years, but eventually he comes back, he coaches in the NFL. And then option number three, he goes to Bill Cowher route. And he's just like, you know what,

TV's kind of fun, nice lifestyle. I'm not going to coach at all. So I want to get into all three of those. Let's start with the first one, okay, because this was surprising news. He steps down. The Steelers have his rights. So if another team wants to hire, Mike Tomlin, they have to trade for him. What do you think about the likelihood of this? Is there a team out there that you say, hey, maybe one of these teams, there's eight openings out there, maybe one of these teams, Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, Giants, Titans, maybe one of these teams says, you know what, I'm going to trade for Mike Tomlin. Okay. So do we want to do this logically or do we want to do this like fantasy land in terms of like, which is most likely? Because here's how I look at

this situation. If you want to do this logically, what it took to get Sean Payton, you know, from the Saints to the Broncos was a first round pick, a second round pick, and then the Saints sent over a third round pick to Denver as part of the deal. So you're looking at a one and a two, right? But you'd have to be a team that is already set at like the quarterback position you would think, right, if you're thinking logically, because if you're a team in full rebuild mode, it wouldn't makes sense to trade a high draft pick or high first rounder to get Tomlin if you still have holes on the actual team, right? That's my thinking. Well, it is, it's a great question. Like, what does Mike Tomlin want? Is he just like, man, I'm sick of being in the same spot for 19 years?

I still want to coach, but I just want something new. You know, sometimes we want something new in life. It could be that, but it could be, I think you're right. I think more logically, he's probably like, all right, if I'm going to go somewhere, I want to be there for a while, I want to win, I want to get out of the first round, so I should probably look for somewhere that has a great quarterback situation. And other than Baltimore, I don't know that there's a place that has a great quarterback situation. I think the Giants have an okay quarterback situation, right? I mean, I would definitely avoid Cleveland if I'm him. I don't know that this is like hot take territory. We're just going like, let's go over at 15. Like, you don't want to go to the Raiders if you

want to do that. Mike Tom, okay. Mike Tom. Tomlin, it wouldn't make sense to me, if we're going to have a serious thinking discussion here as to where he might go. It wouldn't make sense to me for Mike Tomlin to take a bad job where he's going to have to rebuild a team when his whole thing has been having a winning record every year of his 19-year head coaching career, right?

Why would he leave where he's been to then go take on a rebuild project and go four and 13 or something? You know, like that wouldn't make any sense. So you have to go a place like you're saying, where you have the pieces. It's just you need a change of scenery room, which is kind of where you said it,

and we've kind of hinted it for a couple weeks. Baltimore's looking pretty good there, Sheel. Well, did you see that? Steve Beshati was asked about this. Yeah, you saw that, and he said, wouldn't that be interesting? Only if John Harbaugh takes the Pittsburgh job.

So Steve Beshati, Ravens owner, thank you for listening to the Ringer NFL show, because Billy had this idea what, like two weeks ago, three weeks ago. Honestly, you know what's funny about this, Billy, is that we're joking about it, and Bashati's joking about it. It actually would make sense from a football perspective.

It's not the craziest thing in the world, and he was even joking about it, but when they ask him, they broke the news to him because the news came out while he was in the middle of that press conference. So he didn't actually have time to think about it and give a response where it's almost like he goes back

and he's like, would that be the craziest thing in the world? world. Like, maybe this is something we want to do. And because of the fact that they barely missed the playoffs, I mean, I'd have to look, but you're looking at like a mid first round traffic that you're giving up. You already have a quarterback. You already have a running back. You've had to play him all these times now. I don't think that the Steelers would actually do that. I think they would probably... That's the question. They're going to say, we're not, we're not trading him to the Ravens. But what if the Ravens are the only team that offers a pick?

And they look at it and say, all right, you know, if that's what you want to do, do, then go ahead and do it. Maybe they say no hard feel, you know, it's like a breakup type thing, you know, you tell them hey, we had a great... Those don't always go well, though. They don't always go well. Do they ever go well? I mean, sometimes... Okay, so maybe it's one of those.

Maybe it's a situation where like both partners are cheating on each other, so it's kind of like, that's just, what are we doing here? But I don't think that that was the case here. But we did talk, like, did Tomlin want to win last week? Did he want to lose last week? And now he goes and he steps down, which I think this season,

and we have seen like a record number of like words used for the splitting up, right? It's like parted ways, stepping down, then there's been the firings. It's been every like cinnamon in the book we've seen so far for coaches, not being coaches of their teams anymore. You know, I think Pete Carroll started this a few years ago and they're like, Pete's just going upstairs in a different role. And I'm like, really? That feels weird.

And then like two days later, he was out of the building. So yeah, you know, teams, when they had these long tenure, coaches who have done good things, they just, you know, inside, they feel a little guilt. And they're like, we don't want to say we just fired them. So I think that's what's happening here. But let's assume Baltimore's not going to happen. I think the Giants and the Falcons are the two that I would just keep an eye on because the Giants have had so much trouble finding a head coach. They want stability. They're dying to have a situation like the Steelers have where they don't hire a head coach for so long. So I think he raises the floor there. Maybe it works out

with Dart. Maybe it doesn't. They got some talent on the defensive line. They got Malik neighbor. So that's one to keep an eye on. And the Falcons have some talent. Now that doesn't solve his quarterback situation. But like Michael Pennix Jr. is at least sort of a mediocre, competent type quarterback. You're in a terrible division. You can still. Yeah. So maybe that one would be there's not all these expectations that you got to win playoff games. Like you go to the playoffs, he's going to be a hero in Atlanta. Now, I don't want to push this too far because I feel like we've already kind of pushed it far with like conspiracy theories and some of them have come close to coming true over the past weeks. But are we done with the openings? Because there were the

floor whispers out there. So is this a situation where, okay, maybe we send them to Green Bay. That's going to be, you know, that's a playoff team. So their first rounder is going to be low. It's going to be not even same division, not even the same conference. So we can send him to Green Bay. He's been in Pittsburgh. Cold's not going to bother him. He has a quarterback. there, Michael Parsons is going to come back from injury. Is that a potential destination? Should that become available? So you're saying the Packers fire LaFleur and then trade for Tomlin.

But the Ringers editor-in-chief, I didn't tell you this. Ben Glickman sent me a little message. He wrote a great piece on Mike Tomlin a couple weeks ago. And he brought up this idea. He's a big Steelers fan. What about Tomlin for LaFleur straight up and the Steelers sign Malik Willis? That had my attention, Philly, because like you're saying, Tomlin now goes to Green Bay. He's got a team. He's got a quarterback. He can compete for Super Bowls right away.

Packers fans, they get a little change there. And then the Steelers, you're still getting a good head coach. You haven't had a good offense in how long. Now you got it. If nothing else, a very good offensive mind. You sign a quarterback in Malik Willis. No one's giving up any draft capital. You got two of these big franchises in the NFL.

Again, that's not my idea. It's Ben Glickspin of the ringer, but that had my attention. I mean, I think as bad as this sounds, I don't think the Steelers is a good job. Like, I would not want to be LaFlor in that situation, right? Because you now don't have a head coach. I mean, if you're hired as the coach, you would be the coach. But you don't have a quarterback. D.K. Metcalf is expensive.

If you're starting over with a new coach and a new quarterback, maybe you say, let me try to move some of these deals. You have T.J. Watt, which is great. But it's not a team that I think he got the most. out of that group of Steelers that you could possibly get out of that group. So the Steelers seemingly looks like it could be somewhat of a rebuild for the next coach.

I think that's right. I think it's a reset. He probably knows that. They probably had conversations about that. He didn't want to do that. And maybe that's why he's moving on. All right. So those are some immediate trade options.

Now, the next option, I actually think this is the most likely one, which he doesn't coach in the year 2026. This TV thing. I mean, every person on TV is like Mike Tomlin's going to be on TV. So maybe they know something. I don't know. You don't know.

But maybe he goes on TV for a year. And he looks at, hey, which of these jobs might be open a year from now? Because that's very interesting. I wrote down a bunch of names here. The Buffalo Bills, if they don't win the Super Bowl this year and don't get over the hump next year. I mean, who knows? The Jets, all right, not very interesting, but still, the Bengals might be a little weird, in division, but who knows? Maybe he looks at it and says,

Joe Burrow, go coach Joe Burrow. Yes, please. I'll go do that. The Indianapolis Colts, not that interesting. Here are some of the ones I found interesting. The Kansas City Chiefs, Billy. I don't know how long Andy Reid wants to coach. I don't know what next year looks like for them.

Mike Tomlin closes out his career coaching Patrick Mahomes, trying to get him back to the top of the mountain with the Kansas City Chiefs. I could kind of see that one. Wow. So in that situation, poor Spaggs, Spags has been sitting around. He'll take these job interviews. He'll go for like the Giants job. He'll interview whatever. But it's really, you know, his hope is far. Like, I would love to take over this Chief's job when Andy Reid gets out of the way and poor Spags gets passed over from Mike Tomlin. I mean, it's worth quarterbacks to have to coach them Patrick Bohombs for sure out there. Interesting. Now, can I ask you a question if this is the situation? So in this situation, now, he sits out for a year or maybe two years waiting for the right perfect opportunity to present itself. Now, there's one thing that we can look at. What happens if he truly follows

in the footsteps of Bill Cowher and says, you know what, this is a lot easier. Like, I'm a lot happier. I don't think I need to get back into coaching. Is that something that we want? Because he's coached for 19 years as a head coach, but he's only 53 years old. So it's not like he's an old guy. I think he has years of coaching left in him. Now, here's the other part of this equation where you're saying, like, maybe he goes out and maybe he takes this TV gig for a year or two until he finds a right fit. I have another idea. And tell me what you think of this idea. I would like to, and I don't have this authority, so I'm going to do it with you to co-sign and then, you know, if any trouble comes of this, you will be a cosigner on this.

So hopefully, you know, you're in the, you're in the headquarters this week, so you'll probably hear about this before I will. Yeah. I would like to formally invite Mike Tomlin to co-host this show with us next season. What do you think? I'm in. I will co-sign it, not just to take the bullet for you in case someone says, why did you say that?

We're actually looking into this and now you put it out there for millions to listen to. No, I think it's a great idea. I've actually heard him on a podcast before on the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark. One of the best coaching interviews I've ever heard, and you're right. You know, you go on TV and we get to talk. fucking 30 second snippets, and we got to put on a suit and tie. Like you said, you got to travel. Now you're staying in a hotel, and someone next to you on the plane is being annoying.

You don't want any of that. You want to be in your home. You got some joggers on. He's a stylish guy. He can still wear the aviators if he wants, and he can join us on the ring or NFL. But I think that's great because I was looking at the other guys who are available here, the coaches who currently got fired or stepped down, like you mentioned. And I think he is number one on the past.

rankings of potential podcasters to join the ringer NFL show. You know, I was looking at the other names here. John Harbaugh maybe would be good? I don't know that he would. What about Mike McDaniel, Billy? You're in Miami. Would he be good? I have two that I think might be good of the available head coaches that were let go

this season or this season, and maybe you'll have others too. Mike McDaniel's one that I think would be good. I think that he would have fun. I think that he'd kind of go out there and he'd say things. I think he'd be loose. I think Mike McDaniel, I mean, we saw him on hard knocks and we saw him on the sidelines.

He seems like a guy that, I don't want to say, likes the spotlight and likes the attention, but he likes to show his personality, I think. So you know what? I would like to, and Sheel, you can co-sign this if you want or if you don't want. I would like to formally invite Mike McDaniel

to co-host this podcast in the next season. You can't just invite everybody, Billy. Well, we do a daily show. Actually, maybe you can do that. Cast a wide net, you know, you're not going to, look, go back to like the whole dating thing. Sometimes, you know, you have to go out there. You have to see. There's plenty of fish in the sea.

You have to not just put all your eggs in one basket when you want to coach to come on and co-hosts with you. You say, hey, here's two or three fuelers out there. And then you kind of make it a little bit of a competition. And then it goes from the situation where we're looking for a co-host or we're looking for a guest to, hey, can we go on there? Like, is there even room to do this? Is there not? So we got to put it out there and say, hey, we're. We're open for business as well.

And Shield's saying that, I mean, I don't know how things work around here. I don't know who signs of checks, but we're open for business. If there's a coach that was fired out there, we'd like to have you on next year. But only if you're Mike Tomlin, Mike McDaniel, and here's one that you might disagree with me with, but I've seen him in some interviews. Brian Dable. I think Brian Dable is a good podcast. You don't like him as a podcast guest.

Yeah, he's someone that, he's someone that can have some fun in the right context. The only thing with him that I'm worried about, though, is I feel like he might be more concerned with what his next gig is. That's what I'm saying. So he'll be more protected. We don't want someone who's just renting space with us. We want someone committed. He's looking for his next job. You know, he's a fiery guy.

Maybe we needle him. You know, we like to needle each other. That makes for a good podcast. We needle, you needle me all the time. You needle him. Now all of a sudden, we're on a weird group chat and he's going, he's not answering. your side text to me going like, oh man, is Dave's upset with us?

I didn't mean that joke about, you know, whatever. So I think that, and that one also, I could see us getting in person. Maybe we have an argument. He's fiery. He could start throwing clothes. Now we've got an HR violation. So I would say no to Dave,

but I thought Pete Carroll was my third one. He's done a ringer pod before. He's already in the family. He probably has an email, Pete Carroll at the ringer.com, whatever. He probably has a microphone, whatever it is. So, yeah, he was the third. third one I had there. So let's think about that. The other guys didn't really interest me.

Those guys interested me. All right, let's take a break. We come back. I got some other stuff on this Mike Tomlin situation. I want to throw your way. All right, we're back on the Ringer NFL show. Now, you mentioned it, that is it, does he want to go back to coaching? And I did notice, you said he's only 53 years old. Do you notice the older you get, you start throwing out the there only and the number gets higher? Like when you were 12, if someone said they were 53 years old, you're like, only. my gosh. How did they make it that far? Now you're like, he's only 53 years old. So I did notice that, but I also appreciate that. And I was thinking, Billy, the Bill Cowher thing is probably underrated. You know, he leaves. And every year for a while there was like, is he going to come back to the

NFL? And he's just like, no, this is too good of a life. And so then I was thinking, is coaching in the NFL overrated? You know? And so I made some pros and cons. Can I throw your way? Are you ready for this? You can't. You can, but I had an idea, a light bulb went off in my head when you started talking. Do you want to say it? Go ahead. I'm going to put a, what if. Yeah. What if? Bill Cowher coaches the Steelers now. Yes. We're on the same page. What if that's the job he was waiting for? His old job. That would be interesting. Maybe. You know, it could be, but he might be weighing the pros and cons I'm telling you about. So here are the cons. Because I feel like it's,

It's kind of terrible to be an NFL head coach. You got to get to the office early. You have to leave late. You might sleep there. You know, all these coaches, they're like, oh, we got a air mattress in the office. That doesn't seem fun. You work every day.

Seven days you're working. You're not like just taking two days off in the middle of the season. You never see your family. You know, like if you throw the football around with your kids before a game, they're like, oh, my father the year. Look, and that's like the only 20 minutes you see your kids the entire year. So I don't like any of that. Most of the time you don't have a great quarterback.

We're seeing it with Tomlin. And so you're kind of just at the mercy of like, who is this schlub we're throwing out there to play quarterback? I'm supposed to win games with him. So there's so much luck involved. GM picks the players for you. You don't get to control that. At all times, there are strangers who just want you to be fired. Unless you won the Super Bowl, everybody wants you to be fired.

Yeah, I don't think it's that great to be an NFL head coach. I do have some pros, but I don't know. What do you think about those cons? Did I miss anything? Your cons are pretty strong right now, I will say. I mean, you have obviously the good pay, so even if it doesn't work out, then the pro is also, and I'm sure you'll get to it, is like guaranteed money. So even if you get fired, you're going to be set for a while.

So there are some good sites, but the cons really do, like, it's your entire life and it's not just during the season. Like even in the off season, you're there all day, all night. Yeah, I don't know about that, Billy. Really? Yeah, that was actually in my pros. So the pros are the money, like you mentioned. But a big pro, you never have to worry about what you're going to wear.

I mean, just the team issued merch. I mean, that's got to be a reason why some of these guys hang on. Free food in the cafeteria. Nice office. You get to go outside every day. Like, what if, you know, you're in an office job? And it's like, go outside for an hour and a half and have a catch. That kind of sounds pretty fun.

So I like that one. And I wrote down from February to April, you kind of get to do whatever you want. and then June July, you get to do whatever you want. I heard you on the Bill Simmons podcast, and I don't think you remember it even saying this, but the idea of Mike Tomlin doing TV got brought up, and you're like, Mike Tomlin in like little bites is fine,

but I don't know that he'd be great on TV. Are you standing by that? Did you kind of black out and yeah, you want to take that back? Where are you on Mike Tomlin potentially being on TV? So I don't remember saying that. You're very right. I say things, and like once they come out,

sometimes I just move on to the next thing that I'm thinking. Here's the thing about Mike Tomlin where I'm saying that, because I've seen everyone today since he announced that he was stepping down, say, wow, he would be one of the best TV analysts that you can have out there. He's going to kill it on TV immediately. Here's my experience with Tomlin. I, you know, at a previous job when I was at ESPN, one of my things was putting together all of the, you know,

essential sound glips. And I quickly realized Mike Tomlin was very good at not actually saying, anything. But he was great and not actually saying anything in the most spectacular ways where he'd be talking about, like, instead of saying like, oh, you know, like we survived, he'd be like we got out of the stadium alive. And it's like, yeah, like, yeah, the majority of people, unless something horrible happened, got out of the stadium alive that day. He said he didn't blink. He told players to cut their eyelids off. Like, he has great sound bites, but I don't know what a three-minute thing from Mike Tomlin would be. He talked about Splash.

Plays constantly. He'll give you great sound bites. I just don't know about a full 60-minute, 90-minute pre-game show of Mike Tomlin over and over. Here's the other thing also. First of all, podcasts are the new pregame show. You can just listen to the Ringer NFL show, watch us on Netflix rather, unless you're watching, of course, the Ringer's official pre-game show, which you should watch. But the other, I mean, a network one.

Come on, this is better content than that. So you definitely don't want to do that. Here's the other thing. You mentioned, you know, I'm seeing people online. I'm seeing this too. And it just annoys me. You know, you look at it and you're like, what do you know about if someone's going to be good on TV or not?

You know, people just come in with these strong opinions. It's like, what, you're watching the pregame shows? And why should I listen to you about who's good on TV and who's not good on TV? So I'm, you know, just taking people down as well. Can I present a game to you? Yeah, let's finish with the game. What do you got? You got a game for me?

Okay, so we mentioned that obviously we're now on Netflix. So we were talking about that. That's one of the selling points for all these coaches that I have sent an open invitation to join the show officially. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was thinking, now that we're, you know, part of the Netflix family, we should try to be doing things. Maybe we go out and me and you, we become these Hollywood types

where we pitch shows to Netflix. Or we just, like, we want to be part of the Netflix family, just lend out a helping hand. So I started thinking maybe this could be an ongoing series, but this will be the first one of this series where I pitch a show to Netflix, right? and I would like for you to decide whether or not you think this is a good show that you would buy or not.

And then we can kind of play the game a little bit if you think. Okay. So I'm a Netflix exec, and I'm deciding whether this would be a good show for our company. This isn't Sheel TV watcher, just saying I would watch the show. This could be a TV watcher, but this is also like,

would you go down this path with me to present this to the higher-ups? Oh, I'm with you. Okay, I like you. You have more pull so you can come. to the meetings with me and that it'll be taken more seriously. Okay. So again, because this is Netflix, these will be somewhat like an integration of football and Netflix.

Okay. So we've been talking about it all show with Mike Tomlin, but there is a lot of coaching vacancies. There's a lot of coaches looking for jobs. There's a lot of teams looking for jobs. And what does that remind us of? We kind of touch on a little bit dating. So how about this show?

It's called Football is. blind okay and it's a Netflix show it's vague resemblance to the show love is blind so football is blind and here's the way that it works you have the coaches go to interview for the job openings okay there's a partition and if you'd like we could play a quick a quick round would you like to play a quick round football is blind okay okay so I'm gonna go on to the ringer.com and I'm gonna thank our friend Stephen Ruiz and Dea Lee for this and I'm gonna give you some resumes here okay and you

tell me, is this someone that I might be interested? Okay. So here is a candidate for one of these positions, all right? NFL experience, six seasons, scheme, modern air raid, coaching influences, Lincoln, Riley, and Kevin Sondland. Is this someone you might be interested in leading your team? I think, I feel like I know who the person is, and I'm going to be a no on that one. A no. Was it, okay, all right. Now, do I guess who? who it is? Do you tell me who it is or we just move on? You could guess if you want. Is it Cliff Kingsbury? It was Cliff Kingsbury. Yeah. Now, here's another one, another candidate for this same thing for this opening. Eight seasons.

Offensive schemer, Payton West Coast is the type of scheme he likes to run. And his influences are Sean Payton and Sean McDermott. Is this someone you might be interested in? Yes. Yeah, I don't know who this is. Yes. Yes. Now, do I yell something? Do I just say yes? No, you could say yes. Yes. I'm interested. We'll bring him in for an interview. This is someone you might want to talk to, and this person is Joe Brady.

You might want Joe Brady based on this. All right, here's another quick one. NFL experience, 26 seasons. He's a defensive schemer. He's a blitz-happy, 4-3 defense guy. Is this someone you may want to bring in? Thinking this might be spags, potentially? Uh, 26.

We'll bring him in. I didn't hear anything in there where I said I don't want to bring him. bring them in? It is spags. You're good at this game. Now, here's the twist on this game, right? The way dating works is it's a two-way street, right? They also have to be interested.

They don't know what job they are actually applying for here. So you have Spags or you have Joe Brady or you have Cliff Kingsbury or Mike McCarthy or whoever and they're on one side of the partition and they're putting their best foot forward. And on the other side, the other person is really trying to put their foot forward too, right? their best foot forward. And then what could happen if things go well for the chaos of this show is you could have someone, you know, like Robert Sala out there, and he thinks, oh my God, I'm going to get this head coaching job in Pittsburgh. And then all of a sudden, no, that's not the job he gets. He ends up becoming the DC of the Cowboys. It's a two-way interview. You have to have the perfect fit. You guys start

hitting it off. You say, you know what, I want this job. And then, like, love is blind comes. You have to go see the meeting. And then the coach comes out. And then all of a sudden, the job comes out. And then it's like, oh, was this love? Was this not love? I don't know.

Now I'm a DC again. This isn't what I wanted. Honestly, I'm nervous that we're, this is so good that we're putting this out there. I almost wonder if we cut this. Copyright. And we talk to some people. And we actually pitched this to Netflix because I love that idea. I mean, this is the new hard knocks.

We're sick of it. They tried hard knocks. Then they say, oh, not summer hard knocks in season hard knocks. That didn't take off. No, and they say, oh, quarterback. You know, now, I like the quarterback, but this is the next iteration. So we got to find out who was doing quarterback, who was doing wide receiver. We get to those people.

You already have the name. That's usually the hardest part. Football is blind from Billy Gill. All right, there we go. We solved everyone's problems. Mike Tallinn probably take a year off, but don't do TV. Come join the ringer NFL show. easy to work with.

I mean, come on. Look at this. Great staff. Great company to work for. So we got Mike Tomlin doing that. Steelers next head coach, Bill Cower, I think is where we landed, right? Bill Cowher, next Steelers head coach. And we have a great idea for Netflix now that we're starting this new partner.

We don't want to just take, take, take. We want to give to be good partners. All right. There you go. His name is Billy Gill. My name is Shield Capadia. Thank you to everyone for listening. Thank you to Christopher.

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