The Ringer NFL Show - Mina Kimes on Last-Place Fantasy Punishments, and Rashaad Penny SZN | The Dantasy Football Podcast

Episode Date: November 26, 2019

We make sense of fantasy football’s newest superstar Ryan Tannehill and take the time to recognize Christian McCaffrey's and Derrick Henry's amazing seasons (3:15). Then we list the injuries from Week 12 and highlight the top waiver pickups for this week (11:00), discuss Rashaad Penny’s breakout after Chris Carson’s fumble-palooza, and pick our streamers of the week (30:40) before ESPN's Mina Kimes drops by for a special edition of Fantasy Court (49:15). Hosts: Danny Heifetz, Danny Kelly, and Craig Horlbeck Guest: Mina Kimes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hyfitz and I'm joined as always by my co-host and my co-danny, the hero we need and the analyst we deserve the Dark Knight himself. Danny Kelly! How are you doing, D.K.? I'm doing really well. How are you doing? I am fantastic. Fanflippantastic.

We're also here with Craig Holbeck. What is on your mind, Craig? Penny season. I knew it. Right in time for Thanksgiving. I know what I'm thankful for. You love your research. Rashad Penny.

Craig, why don't you remind people why you love Penny real quick? I actually am wearing a San Diego State quarter zip right now, which is my alma mater. Big year for us. Stephen Strasbourg, Kauai Leonard. Only time ever a school has had back-to-back finals MVP is in the same season. And then Rashad Penny is going to be Super Bowl MVP. Most, I mean, that's most likely. Oh, man.

That would be interesting. Three makes a pattern. All right. Well, there's going to be plenty of Seahawks talk on this podcast. Later in the show, we will be bringing on special guest, Mina Kimes, for a very special fantasy court. But first, D.K., do you have any thoughts on losing to Craig and I in the Ringer Fantasy League this week? Well, I would like to say, first of all, that it is not over yet. It is Monday afternoon.

And there's maybe like a 1% chance that Jackson and I come back and meet you guys. You have no players left. Do we not? No, you're done. It's over. Well, I'm just holding out hope regardless. So you guys could get negative points, right? Like negative 50 or something?

On Yahoo, it actually says 100%. Yeah. So. Damn it. Okay, well, I don't feel great about it. I'll be honest. All right. You know, losing to Craig is fine.

Losing to Danny really hurts. Yeah, that stands. I didn't want to like rub the salt in the wound and then you're the one who said there's no such thing as too much trash talking. So I just, let's just dive it. I'm going to stand by it. You go ahead and have at it. Our team was headlined by Lenny Fornes this week.

You know, you didn't know you lost and maybe I'll bring it up. We also knocked you out of the playoffs. I'm just going to throw that. out there. Oh, like we had a chance at the playoffs. We were hanging on by a thread. You were mathematically eliminated today. I feel very good to be eliminated de facto by Lenny Fornes because

we've been touting him so much on this podcast and he finally kind of just found the end zone. We recommended everybody go big. Yeah. So that was nice. I'll take that. It's kind of a small win for the whole podcast really is how I'm looking at it. It's a win for the majority of the podcast.

I'll give you that. Otherwise, other than the biggest win of the week. D.K., what made you go, what this week? What in the hell is going on with Ryan Tannahill? I think this has been kind of a really fun storyline over the last few weeks. He's been started for five weeks now. And he's just kind of having this weird late career renaissance that we always thought he was going to have like maybe five or six years ago. And all of a sudden now he's emerging as this really, really efficient high-level game manager type guy who can add some stuff with his legs.

he's very, very accurate and efficient so far. And it's totally changed the dynamic of, you know, the AFC South and the Titans in general. On Sunday, he had 259 yards, 14 of 18 passing. He went through 18 passes, two touchdowns. He added seven rushes, 40 yards, and two touchdowns on the ground for 32.4 PPR points. He's on track as the QB1 this week so far pending Monday night football. Per ESPN stats and info I saw this tweet, he's the first Titans quarterback with two passes. touchdowns and two rushing touchdowns in the same game since Steve McNair did in 2001.

So he's just been really, really impressive. He's got a 10 touchdown 4 interception ratio in the five games he started. They're 4 and 1 in those games, 72% completion rate, quarterback rating of 111.4 per sharp football stats. The Titans lead the NFL in both explosive pass rate and explosive run rate since Tanna Hill took over in week 7. Oh, my God. It's just ridiculous. come from? I mean, he never looked. There was always sort of the, I guess, potential and the

skill set to do what he's doing now when he was with Miami, but now he's finally starting to put it together. So I guess that's really what kind of stood out to me. And one stat that will really say, that really says a lot in terms of the fantasy, you know, landscape is that from JJ Zacharison, since Ryan Tannahill became starter, here is a list of quarterbacks with minimum four games played, who have average more fantasy points per game than Tana Hill. One, it's Lamar Jackson. So, I don't know, pretty crazy. He's definitely in the late season slash fantasy playoffs picture now.

And I don't know if I'm necessarily buying this long term, but it's very, very intriguing going forward and especially in the short term for the fantasy playoffs. The grand plot twist of this NFL season was that after seven years of people saying, this is the year for Ryan Tannhill, 2019 was the year for Ryan Tannahill. I think I wrote an article about Ryan Tannahill.

It might have been 2016 or 2017 about how this is finally Ryan Tannoh's year. So I was just a little early on it. Yeah, I think literally everyone was, including the Miami Balsons. Also, it has to be mentioned. Ryan Tannahill had more 20-yard runs, 20 or more yard runs yesterday, than Ezekiel Elliott has all season. Craig, what made you go what this week? Derek Henry now is like a top five running back in the NFL.

He's the number four running back in fantasy for half PPR. The last four weeks, he's been the number two running back in fantasy behind Christian McCaffrey, who's like absolutely murdering everybody. But cremating. Cremating. I don't like that word. Let's not do that one. Last week, he had 159 yards rushing with two touchdowns.

He also had another touchdown called back, a 30-yard catch. He's at 83 yards or a touchdown in 10 of 11 weeks this year. The guy's a monster. He's untackleable. No one's ever really liked. I feel like we've actually slandered Derek Henry in the past. And last year, and maybe even a little bit this year on the show, no one's talking about him.

And I think he's now bulldozed his way into the first round of drafts next year. Yeah, I had basically zero consideration for taking him. I have zero shares of Derek Henry, and I'm so sad about it. And he's definitely proven me wrong. I thought that his late season explosion last season, last year kind of, so from week 13 to week 16 last season, he rushed for 585 yards and seven

touchdowns and everyone was like, this is exactly kind of what the Henry that people were hoping for, but no one kind of, well, a lot of people did, but I didn't think it was going to be sustainable going forward and absolutely has been. The other thing is, he gets better as the season goes on. I saw this stat per Evan Silva

of established the run. Career touchdowns in September and October for Derek Henry, 10. Career touchdowns in November and December, 24. So yeah, he's just getting better as the season goes on. I guess it gets colder and people don't want to tackle him or whatever. And you said weeks 13 to 16 last year he had 585 yards and 7 touchdowns. Well, his last four games this year, 485 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Yeah, so he's just, I think it's time we put some respect on his name. I'm done slandering him. He's arrived, in my opinion. I mean, obviously he's probably arrived before this, but officially in my mind he has. So Derek Henry is the number three running back in fantasy. Ryan Tannel of the Titans quarterback is the number two quarterback in fantasy since he started playing.

So is it just the Titans in general? Not to mention A.J. Brown's like the new Anquam Bolden. Really, the D.K., like, so the Titans play the Colts this week. It's a massive game for the play. Do you think Titans can make the playoffs and actually do something? I mean, I think they're, yeah, I think it's possible.

I think they're trending in the right direction, certainly, and everything seems to be going their way. They're getting hot at the right time. Meanwhile, the Colts seem to be slowing down a bit. I don't really know exactly what's going on with the Texans week to week, but I think it's still pretty wide open. They could definitely still make a run at the wildcard spot. And, yeah, I don't know.

They do have a tough schedule going to going forward. If you're talking about Derek Henry in particular, the Colts give up the fifth fewest points per game to running backs. That's this week, next week, I should say. The Raiders, the week after that, the 11th most. So that's a good match of Texans, 12th most the week after that. And then Saints in the final week. week of the fantasy playoffs.

I think it's week 16. Yeah, they give up the fourth fewest. So there's a couple really tough games, and then there's a couple pretty nice games in there for Derek Henry down the stretch. The thing that made me go what this week was a real, like, double take was, again, Christian McCaffrey, still on pace

for the greatest fantasy football season of all time. Yeah. It's unstoppable. It 31 touches, 133 yards, and two touchdowns against the Saints this week. It's good for 34 PPR points. the all-time record for fantasy points in a full season is Lidane and Tomlinson in 2006, 427 standard points, 483 PPR. Obviously, the catches is a huge differentiator because he's not going to pay for 30 touchdowns like LDT had.

But Scott Barrett at Pro Football Focus points out, McCaffrey's last 16 games, he has 499 PPR points. Wow. So his last 16 games are already more than Tomlinson's, uh, 483 in 2006. The difference between Christian McCaffrey and the number three running back this season by points per game is McCaffrey's number one with, I can't even, he's at above 30.

Yeah. Austin Echler has, and the difference between McAfree and Echler is 10.8 points per game. That's the difference. That's the same difference between Echler and the 24th best running back, which is Jordan Howard.

Jesus. McCaffrey's averaging more than 30 PPR points per game. if he drops down to 20 points per game over the final five games, he will still have one of the best five fantasy seasons ever. He's like having two players on your team. Yeah, that's with a 50% reduction. That's basically... It's crazy.

So Scott Barrett was alluding to this in his article of Pro Football Focus that he might be worth two players because he's essentially the two, he's two starters in one. It's unbelievable. So Christian McAfrey. Love McCaffrey. Love McCaffrey. All right.

Next man up, there's some injury news. to get to. First up, Carson Wentz of the Philadelphia Eagles, the Eagles played awful. Yeah, that was ugly. It was kind of like a roar shock test for how you feel about this team because they were so injured, but played awful in the rain anyway. But Wentz had completed 33 of 455 passes, 256 yards, one touchdown, two picks and two lost fumbles. Just, again, it was raining, but he still looked bad anyway. They didn't have the right tackle Lane Johnson. The right guard Brandon Brooks left in the middle of the game. Receiver Alshon Jeffrey and Nelson Agler missed this one. He was playing bad, and then he went to the locker room mid-game. Did not miss a snap, but after the game, he was heavily wrapped around his right hand.

He was diagnosed as a bruise. X-rays were negative after the game. He's likely to start next week against Miami, but notable, this is the third November, December injury. Wences had late season in a row. Obviously, Nick Foles was in Jacksonville. So his backup is Josh McCown, famous gentleman, but he's expected to play. So Miami's a really good matchup. So if he still plays, it's still good.

But obviously, anytime injury with your throwing hand is not ideal. Yeah, man, they need to get healthy. They released Jordan Matthews this morning, which I guess is an indication that maybe they're going to get some of their guys back this week and get some reinforcements in that receiving court because they just didn't look on the same page at all. Wentz was not good, but they're – I mean, they're just playing with guys off the street, literally like Jordan Matthews,

I think led the team in snaps. He was on the street a couple weeks ago. So, yeah, it's not a great situation, but it's a get-right game against Miami, hopefully for them this next week. Yeah, and then switching to the Chiefs, old Eagles coach, Andy Reid said he did not have an update

on Chiefs running back, Damien Williams' rib injury. Chiefs run by this week, playing the Raiders in week 13. Reid mentioned also LaShawn McCoy was not in the concussion protocol, but it's not really clear what is going on at the playing time there

for whatever Damien Williams and LaShape is. The load management. Yeah, it won't be really be clear probably until like, Tuesday until Reid speaks to reporters on Tuesday and the players show up to the facility. If Williams or McCoy or both of them can't play,

Dorel Williams would get a lot of work if neither of them can go. But again, that's really worth monitoring what Reid says on Tuesday afternoon after the Chief's return from thereby. So that one's worth keeping an eye on. And while we are on Andy Reid's press conference, he said the team is optimistic. Tyree Kill will play in week 13 against the Raiders.

He had like a hamstring injury. It's considered minor. kind of pulled up in that Mexico City game against the Chargers, but that was a weird situation. The field was awful. It was high altitude, so it seemed to be preventative more than anything. In other news, Marlon Mack of the Colts has already been announced as out this week,

which means, I assume, that you can keep riding the Jonathan Williams train if you landed him in the waiver wire, on the waiver wire this last couple of weeks. They go up against Tennessee this week, which is the third, they surrenders the 13th most fantasy points per game to opposing runnerback. So it's a decent matchup.

They still love to run the ball. Williams got a ton and ton of action last week. And so in theory, you can keep going with that unless they decide to turn it into a full-blown running back by committee with Jordan Wilkins, which it doesn't seem likely considering he didn't really play a whole lot last week. So that, to me, is just kind of a notable thing that Mack has already been declared out. Yeah, Williams is – first of all, he looks great. He looks good, man. Yeah, I'm excited to kind of see what happens.

with him. He's a player that I've sort of watched throughout his career. Obviously, he's kind of bounced around and stuff, but I liked him coming out of Arkansas. And he's got some juice with, you know, like, I, it's kind of, I don't really understand why he's bounced around so much. I always kind of expected more of, like,

teams to like him a little bit more, but he's getting a chance to kind of show off his skill set, so that's been fun. Was he on Buffalo before this? Yeah, he was on, well, he's been, he's been on a couple of teams and never really lasted long. I think injuries have been a factor, And so, yeah, that's a big part of it.

But he definitely has looked really good. He really screwed people over this week. I had a lot of friends who were like, what the hell? Like, I sheld out to get Jordan Wilkins, and then Jonathan Williams comes out of nowhere. I don't think Wilkins had a touch. Well, he should have listened to the Dynasty Football Podcast. They should have. They should have.

Jonathan Williams has been, he was drafted by the bills. He's been with the Saints for 2017 and 2018. Played in only three games in those two years. And then he was taken, I don't know exactly how. he ended up with the Colts. He ended up with the Colts in 2018, didn't have a game, didn't plan a game,

and then this year he's obviously kind of shown out. So weird little career, but yeah, he looks good. Speaking of Colts injuries, Eric Ebron, tight end was placed on injured reserve. He will need surgery in both ankles,

reportedly. Jack Doyle is the main pass catching tight end there, and then with Ebron out. So it was kind of like ping pong, like you never knew who was going to get it there, and so neither were super reliable. But now with Ebron out, Jack Doyle is a pretty good option.

Their other tight end is Mo Ali Cox. Shout out Richmond basketball. He went to VCU, but, you know, VCU's not as good. But anyway, Nicole, he has a lot of talent, but he's not nearly as polished as Jack Doyle is. So I think Doyle is going to get most of their tight-end routes and could be a pretty good red zone target for Jacoby Brissette. He's only owned in like 40-ish percent of league.

So I think he's a really good one down the stretch. What do you think, D.K.? Yeah, I agree with you. I think he's probably going to soak up a lot of targets down the stretch just based on. the fact that they're really banged up in the receiver core. You know, obviously now with Ebron going out, Jack Doyle becomes the man at the tight-end spot.

It is going to be kind of interesting to see what happens with Moly Cox, but I would assume that Doyle is going to be the heavy emphasis down the stretch. All right, next that receiver Golden Tate on the New York Giants. Tate is in Concussion Protocol. The team says he suffered a hit from his landing on his 23-yard touchdown reception. It was an amazing play. It was fourth and 18. and Daniel Jones, our beloved

See, actually, Daniel, you have him in the ringer fantasy league, DK, now you know what it's like to lose with Daniel Jones. But anyway, yeah, so Golden Tate. Tate. Tenton Spirits now, I guess. He had a play, Golden Tate, that is how to play earlier in the game where he was tackled and his mouthguard went flying. Mouthguard, obviously, is for concussion prevention.

The team says it happened later in the game on the touchdown catch, whatever, whenever it happened. I saw it, I saw it when he caught that ball, he looked, that I remember thinking, I wasn't listening to the game. I was just added on silent. And I was like, whoa, he looks like these days. Yeah, he hit the ground really hard.

So this is actually the game the Giants got Sterling Shepard back from a concussion. Shepard had had two concussions this season. And so this was only the second game that Sterling Shepard and Golden Tate played together at all. And then now Tate is the one who leaves the concussion. So hopefully he's all right. But in the meantime, this is just another opportunity for Darius Slaten to step up in his offense. He's been playing fantastic. And he stepped up.

Dika, you've mentioned this, but Slateon has an excellent slate for the fantasy playoffs. Slate, Slate, Slate, Slate. Slate, Slate. I didn't need to do that, but it worked. He's an excellent schedule for the fantasy playoffs. They're going against the Eagles, Dolphins in Washington, weeks 14, 15, 16. Yeah, that's as easy.

That's like as juicy as you can get when it comes to schedule. So I think he's definitely a guy to keep in mind on the waiver of wire this year. If you need to, if you need someone to plug into your flex spot and you're, like, agonizing over the decision of, you know, who to take. Sometimes it's just best to go with the best matchup, and I think Slate's going to have some really good ones. Last up, Hunter Renfro on the Oakland

Raiders. This tough guy, Hunter Renfro, Gruden Grinder. He left the game with an injury to his ribs, took a big hit from Jet Safety, Jamal Adams. Apparently was worsened on another hit. Yeah. Punctured his lung and bruised his ribs, and it's not great, but he had three catches

for 31 yards. Football is scary, man. Like, people can get legitimately messed. I mean, We know that, you know, implicitly or whatever, but there's always, every once in a while there's just a reminder. It's like he punctured his freaking lung. We all know that. It's just, yeah, there are moments where you're reminded that this is crazy.

And that for me, it was to show him Watson having his lung not, it was partially collapsed to the point they're like, can't get on a pressurized airplane. So he drove to Jacksonville for the game. And it's like, wow, you can't board a plane, but you can play football. And then they won the game. So these guys are tough as hell as the point. Yes.

Yeah, so Hunter Renfro probably not going to play this week. Maybe he'll... He's probably... I guess Gruden insinuated he might go on the IR. This is Monday afternoon. It sounds like he might not play the rest of the season. Do you really believe anyone in the Raiders past game other than Darren Waller is like a significant target? Someone you would want to be like rolling the dice with in fantasy.

There's Darren Waller's tight end. There's Tyrell Williams, but... I guess maybe Zay Jones could see his role increase. But I would say this is probably going to benefit Waller the most. I saw a stat from Rota World's John Daigle. Waller averaged a team high 26% target share and 8.3 looks per game before Renfro became a full-time player in Week A.

And so in the last five games, that target share has fallen to 18% with just 5.6 stars per share. What is the look per game? I assume targets and carries. I was going to say, is actual looking? That would be amazing.

No. So bottom line is Renfro was definitely eating into Waller's target. shared kind of his role over the middle of the field. And that, to me, could mean good things for Waller going forward. Yeah, Waller's been a bit disappointing over the last five weeks. He has catch shows of 2, 2, 3, 5, 3. I mean, did you hear what Gruden said about the Jets?

They asked them about the game. He's like, you ever been in a boat while it was sinking? It's not fun. He said that about the Jets? No, he said that about the Raiders. Oh. He described it to his team as a boat that was sinking. Poetic.

He's got like eight years left on his contract. What was he talking about? Actually, I love Groot. The honesty is like the best part of him. You just say whatever the hell he wants. Speaking of honesty, we've gotten some honesty from the Denver Broncos quarterbacks this year from Joe Flacko amid others.

Kind of, yeah. It was silence for being too honest in a way. But Drew Locke, Denver Broncos, and now that Brandon Allen has been up and down, mostly down, Vic Fangio said, no decision has been made yet on whether Drew Locke will return from his thumb sprain. Quote, all options are available.

That could be IR or backup or whatever. What do you think of Drew Locke if he comes back? Well, he didn't look especially exciting in the preseason. That doesn't necessarily mean that his career overall is doomed. But I would like to, I would love to see him play. I mean, I don't think Brandon Allen is the answer. You know, he saw this week. He threw 25 passes.

So he had 82 yards on 25 passes per pro football ref. Pro football reference, I should say. I love to, this is, I read whatever you put on this teleprompter, man. Bro football reference. He's the first quarterback since my guy, Charlie Whitehurst in 2014, to attempt 25 plus passes and gain 82 yards or less.

How many passes do you guys can get on 25 plus attempts? How many yards? Like, did you get 50 yards? No. Screen passes, like the thing where the tight end runs in front of you and you just shuffle it forward?

All I can think about is that that's why DK Colt's Interception's Ints is because that's what's written on the screen. I will read. That's all I just realized that's why you call them that. Some people call RBI's ribbyes. That's a problem. That's stupid.

Anyway, this doesn't matter. I hope, Godspeed, no one is playing Brandon Allen, Drew Luck. Even in a two quarterback league, you're not playing. The issue is, how does this affect Cortland Sutton, D.K.? Because he's been fantastic for people who have him. Well, honestly, Sutton has been sort of quarterback proof this year for the most part. He did not go off this week, and we'll talk about him a little bit later.

He was shadowed by Tradevius White. He's fantastic. Right, yeah, and that's a bad, bad match over him. The quarterback play was awful. I think Sutton is, you know, he's obviously as high of a floor receiver on that team as he can get. I think he's an ascending star. I really like him. And I think Locke could potentially be an upgrade for him.

But anytime you have uncertainty of the quarterback position, it definitely throws in, you know, throws a wrench in sort of expectations on what you can, like, what these guys are going to do from week to week. So I think in any case, it makes me a little bit nervous about Sutton, but I still think Sutton's good enough to overcome whoever they have at quarterback. To show how quarterback-proof Sutton has been, I heard a stat today on Fantasy Pros. Sutton is one of three wide receivers this year who has had 55 or more receiving yards in 9 of 11 games. And it's Cortland Sutton, Michael Thomas. I know who the next one is.

Who is it? John Brown. No, Devante Parker. What? Devonte Parker. Wait, what was the number again? 55 or more yards in 9 of 11 games. Oh, they did 55 to cut out John Brown

because it's 50 with John Brown. Sorry, John. Just John Brown erasure. Whatever. This is awful. This is Devante Parker podcast. I just wanted to slip that in there. Yeah.

There they. Get rid of John Brown. All right, well, Godspeed to Cortland Sutton. Bill Barnwell, actually, in his column, he wrote the 24 most underrated players, and he said Cortland Sutton will become the new Alan Robinson. It'll just be doomed to, like, playing with awful quarterbacks. Oh, no.

I hate that. poignant, but sad. All right. Running back, Chase Edmonds of the Arizona Cardinals, John Brown's former team. Back at practice on Monday will presumably be played this week. This just muddles the Cardinals backfield to an unbelievable degree because we have, I mean, they were on by this week.

There's David Johnson just being outtouched by Kenyon Drake. Then there is David Johnson not getting, not touching the ball at all. Right. And then now Chase Edmonds is back. And I forget, I apologize to whoever said this, probably many people. but it might have been Mike Clay to ESPN basically saying that this is like the Rams backfield last year but with three people instead of Gurley and C.J. Anderson. And that with Kenyon, Drake, Chase Edmonds, and David Johnson there, this is just so muddled.

And I would think Drake is probably worth playing. The other two guys maybe holding on to, but that's it. Yeah, I think I would be nervous about Chase Edmonds. I would just say Drake and then hope for the best. I would not go with those other two guys. Yeah, October is very own, but it's November now. Who knows? That was a bad joke, but Dika didn't get it either.

So it couldn't even make fun of me for being a bad joke. Yeah, no, he couldn't even... Say it again? I actually did not. I didn't catch it. It was October? Yeah, it's a thing like... It's a Drake joke.

This is a musician. He sings. No, I've heard of Drake. Yeah. Canadian guy, right? Yeah, yeah. All right, great. All right, deceiving yards.

Who is fools gold? And who is not? Who is for real? D.K., who is someone who had a big day that you are buying? Not buying? what's up? I'm actually going to just pitch this back to you because I had Derek Henry

and I wanted to talk about Derek Henry but you said to talk about it early on. You got them up at the beginning. All right, Craig. Yeah. Gregorio. Who had a big day? Receiving yards? Deceiving yards? What's up? I don't know. I'm going to do one receiving

and one deceiving. You're on the same team and this is going to combine with what you're going to talk about in a few minutes. Robbie Anderson and Crowder. So Robbie Anderson essentially had his best game of the season, second best game of the season. And James and Crowder had his worst game of the season. Yeah. And it's basically.

the opposite of what's been happening all year. James and Crowder had two catches for 18 yards, which are season lows, and Robbie Anderson had four catches for 86 and a touchdown. And James and Crowder before this week had three straight games of 75 plus yards and a touchdown. It was kind of the security blanket for Donald, kind of the one receiving option in New York that you could depend on. And now is this fool's gold? Are we deceived by Robbie Anderson yet again? No, it was a flea flicker. What are you talking about? The touchdown? Yeah.

Robbie Anderson's? No, Robbie Anderson's 30-yard pass? No, Robbie Anderson's touchdown was like four yards. Oh, well, he had a 30-yard catch and a flea-flicker. And I have a general rule

that when a flicker, like this was why I... He's right in by John Ross in week one. It's like you've got to do a flea flicker to get him the damn ball. I like Robbie Inters as a player, but I still believe in Jameson Crowder. Yeah, that's where I fall.

The week coming up is pretty easy or the next few weeks for Robbie Anderson, and I guess Jameson Crowder, they're playing the Dolphins and the Bengals in the next two weeks. So are you starting Robbie Anderson the next two weeks? Is there any way or no?

I'm avoiding that. Not even a flex? I mean, yeah, because he has that upside. He's a deep threat. He's a good player. He's got talent. We've seen it in the past. He's just incredibly low floor guy.

Like, he could literally have zero points and it wouldn't surprise me. High Fitz. Let's talk about San Darnal. We'll see how we feel at the end of the end of it. Should I just do full New York right now? slamming Sammy Donald is called in. Slamming Sammy at 20 a 29 completed 20 to 29 passes. 315 yards that is 315, 2 tuttees, plus a rushing tuttee that is 28 points second most on the day to only the God himself Ryan Tanna Hill.

More like Sam Mountain. Donald's last three games, seven touchdowns, just one pick, 200. 179 passing yards per game. His next three, Cincinnati, winless, pathetic. Miami Dolphins, almost winless. Almost as pathetic. And then the Baltimore Ravens, I would not play him against the Baltimore Ravens. But what I'm saying is, if you need a playoff push,

or you got to just try, or maybe you can keep someone else, your loved one perhaps, from making the playoffs and you want to be petty, the Bengals, Sammy Donald against the Bengals, that's a great play. And then the week 14, that's the first week of the fantasy playoffs or maybe you're not trying to come and last get your punishment. Boom, Dolphins, great matchup. Love Sammy Donald. And if I had a pick, look, I don't mind Robbie Anderson.

They could break someone big. But I love James and Crowder. Can't go out of them. Do you guys remember late last week when I was asking you, do I start Prescott, who has been absolutely amazing this year? Or Darnold. I was thinking about it. I hope you didn't listen to me.

And you guys, I mean, I wouldn't say you talked to me into it because I was already pretty much planning on going with Prescott, but you convinced me that that was the right thing to do and then Darnold went awes and Prescott was absolutely brutal. I underestimated the forecast. Well, I had the Prescott versus Wentz conversation with you guys on the pot and kind of all that was bad. Didn't work out either way.

Yeah, that's just, yeah, they both sucked. So anyways, I'm kicking myself for not trusting the process, so to speak, because we talked about Donald as a really good late season, you know, addition, a way or wire guy. And he's turning into that for the most part. Hopefully he's still got two games to prove it. But yeah,

he's looked really, really good in last couple weeks. He's been fantastic. Also, did you guys see Jamal Adams taunting Derek Carr's brother on Twitter after the game? You mean David Carr?

No, no, the Raiders. Yes. David Carr is Derek. The quarterback? Yes. What do you mean? Who are you calling him Derek Carr's brother?

David Carr? No, no, there's a third. Oh. Oh, there is? Oh, okay. I didn't know that either. I didn't know that either. I was super confused.

It took me. I was like, why is he talking about this random guy? It was like, oh, wow. It's the whole thing. Anyway, you know, it doesn't matter. Jets also 1.1% chance of making the playoffs for football outsiders. So never give up. Probably a better chance of Sam Donald helping your fantasy team make the playoffs than the Jets.

That's the point. Yes. All right. Guy, you're not supposed to worry about D.K. How long have you been waiting for this? I mean, I think this is Craig's thing, really. But I'm going to take it. Rashad Penny to see.

We were not supposed to worry about this guy I don't think D.K. ever wanted Rashad Pandy to be good. I feel like he loved Chris Carson wanted to be Chris Carson. I mean, I still love Chris Carson, but the fact is if you can't hold on to the football, it sort of trumps a lot of the other talent that he has. He's a very, very good player

other than the fact that he just can't stop fumbling for the life of him. That's so tough. So Carson has now fumbled seven times this year officially. Really, it's more like nine, considering two of his fumbles, I believe, were on botched handoffs with Russell Wilson, and they looked, and they were credited to Russell Wilson, the fumbles were.

So if you did count all those nine, that would be the most by any non-quarterback in over a decade. Great stat from Anthony Staggs. In the end, Carson's fumbling issues finally led to him getting less playing time, which was not the case earlier in the season for the most part. He had just eight carries, 26 yards, four catches for 31 yards. He finished with 9.7 PPR points, and most tellingly, he only played a little bit down the stretch, especially in the fourth quarter. was the guy late in the game. He did, Penny did look really good.

So part of the problem I've had, Penny over the last year plus is that he just hasn't looked great to me as a runner, which is important when you're running back. You know, he can, like, do well. He can do some exciting things

when he's given, like, a runway to, like, get up to speed and everything. But, like, who can't? Like, he's an old SESTA? What do you mean? Who can't? You know, who can't either of you? Oh, my God.

All right. Well, the way you should, phrased those two guys, and you're like, Chris Carson, perfect running back, except where he's always fumbling, which is like the world's best bus driver, everything's perfect, but he keeps rear-ending people. And then you've got Rashad Penny, where it's like, I like him as a running back except for the running part. That's a very, that was quite the spin you put there. My point was, he legitimately looked really good yesterday. And that's encouraging from the point of view that otherwise, he's felt like a completely wasted first round pick for the Seahawks.

I mean, I still don't agree with picking a running back in the first round regardless. But the fact that he's a first round running back who is like a backup who has never looked really that good to me was really brutal the whole time. And so it was exciting to see him kind of finally have that really good, exciting, explosive performance after the game he told reporters that he's down to 230 pounds after coming into the year at 238, which I'm pretty sure we had this discussion as a rookie also. so I don't know why he didn't learn his lesson, but anyways, he's trying to get down to 225. That's definitely a good plan. It'll help him with his explosiveness. That showed up yesterday and his elusiveness because he hasn't been an especially good tackle breaker, which is what Carson's sort of forte is.

But anyways, if Penny can have that speed and have a little bit of elusiveness, I think he's going to carve out a much, much bigger role in this offense. Carol said this morning, I believe on 7-10 ESPN, Chris is a guy who is a big part of our team and we'll do everything we can for him. But competition is a beautiful thing and there's no reason not to get Penny back in there next week. We'll get those guys hammering away.

To me that says, that points to a committee at the position and if anything, they'll probably ride the hot hand. So if a guy's having a really good game, they'll probably just stick with whoever. So to me, it muddles the Seahawks back foot a lot. It's definitely a huge negative for Chris Carson. If you're relying on Carson all year, it's discouraging to say the least.

And if you had stashed Penny, then congratulations because I think he's going to have a roll down the stretch. Chris Carson officially is tied for the most fumbles through Week 12 ever. By a non-quarterback. Yeah. And that is not include the play where he fumbled the ball because he thought it was a play action and it was a run. And that was credit to Russell Wilson. Obviously, that was Chris Carson's fault. So that actually, I think, is the reason he is going to, not.

lose the job, but we'll significantly lose a lot of touches, is that came immediately after the first fumble, and it rattled. The next play. And that was the problem was, it's one thing if you can fumble and, like, get your mind right, and like, all right, next rap and, like, truly to your core, believe that. But it rattled him so much he wasn't even hearing the play call. Like, he was listening, but he didn't hear the play call. That is, I think, why he's going to lose this and why I love him so much.

My thoughts in Rashad Penny are well known on this podcast. But I'm really worried about him getting the ball back because of the, of him doing it two years, two plays in a row, not a veteran thing to do. And I'm really concerned about that. So, upset for Chris Carson. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. I mean, the fact is, he's,

he hasn't really changed his, it doesn't look to me like he's changed anything this year in terms of trying to avoid more fumbles. He's still carrying the ball away from his body. He's still, you know, when he's going down. It's so infuriating. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know how you fix that problem. And, I don't know if it's flexible.

It feels like muscle. It feels like muscle memory. Like holding the way you hold the football It's just like the way you shoot a basketball. It's just something that's really hard enough. It's like trying to fix someone's throwing motion or something. You know how you fix it? You have Denzel Washington.

You go 5,280 feet. Come on, Pady. You're killing me. You're killing me, Pady. All right. You're killing us, Chris. All right, Craig. I love that movie.

The rewatchables, by the way, just going to shamelessly plug for the rewatchables. Yeah, check that one out. Chase Ron, remember Brown. Fantastic. All right, Craig. Guy you're not supposed to worry about We're not supposed to worry about

Benny Snell Jr. What the fuck? He out snapped Jalen, I just dropped $20 on him on waivers, Ha-ha, Samuels, 35 to 21. And not only that, he out-touched him 21 to 2 on the ground.

He was also, Jalen Samuels was also out-touched by Trey Edmonds and Carrith White, Jr. Didn't the Steelers just signed Carroth White Jr.? Yes. Yes. They just picked him up off the street.

I'm going to be on the team next week. Well, you're a Steelers Finn. Were you more upset that this happened, or are you more upset that you almost lost to the Bengals? I'm glad we didn't lose to the Bengals. That would have been really tough. And I'm glad Duck Hodges is something. Yeah.

Because Mason's really bad. We'll get it to Duck, but stay with Betty Snell for now. But Benny Snell, who, by the way, is another victim of name shaming, just like Doug Baldwin and Willie Sneed. I think if Benny's... If Benny Snell had a cool name, we would be talking about it much... Like Kavon Austin? Yeah.

If his name was like... Jerome Jones. He'd be like, we'd be like, wow, that guy's cool. That's a good thought exercise. Like if Tavon Austin was named Benny Snell

and Betty Snell was named Tavall I'm telling you, it'd be completely different. That's why Doug Baldwin was never considered an elite receiver because his name was Doug. Anyway, James Connor, the actual running back for the Steelers, he's got a shoulder injury that's lingering,

it's been reoccurring, and I don't think it'll ever be healed because that dude treats every carry like it's the last scene in a movie. But I would not shell out your cash on Snell. I would rather get a guy, I would rather get like Beau Scarborough. So you're selling Snell

Snell. Selling Snell. I'd rather have Bo Scarborough. Great name. Jalen Samuels is still only a few games removed from having like 13 catches, eight catches, seven catches. I still think he's going to be worked into the offense as we move forward. I'm not sure what happened this week, but I don't I'm not going to be victim of the moment with Benny Starr.

What happened this week is they played Mason Rudolph. I'm jumping into my guy you're not supposed to worry about. Duck Hodges! Quack! Quack! My God. First of all, just a shout-up. First, Samford quarterback To start a game since 1946, well, to play in a game since 1946. I know he already did that, but I just want to shout him out again because that's incredible.

Where did we decide that Samford is? Is it in Alabama? Yeah, we couldn't remember. Georgia. My guess is Indiana. Let's see. No, it's like Alabama or Georgia, I thought. It is in Alabama, yeah.

Wow, we got that wrong twice. I said Texas the first time. Mason Rudolph had four interceptions last week against the Browns. It was kind of overshadowed when Miles Garrett tried to hit him with helmet. But he had four deceptions against the Cleveland. And this week he was also awful again. He completed eight of 16 passes for 85 yards. Duck Hodges comes in.

Mike Talmond benches him. Duck Hodges comes in. throws for 90 yards on a touchdown in his first two passes. To James Washington. To James Washington. Teammate and best friend of Miles Rudolph in college on Mason Rudolph. Mason Rudolph's guy catches the pass. I cannot stress this enough.

Two passes, more yards than Mason Rudolph out of the entire game. and the time's first 16 passes. Unbelievable. Also, it's amazing because I can't remember the last time a fan base was like unanimous. Like, I hate our starting quarterback. Please play the backup.

Please play the backup. And then the backup comes in. It was immediately great. I guess honestly, the answer is probably two in the national championship game, except that was just Ben Glickman and Roger Sherman yelling into the void. But it's unbelievable.

The whole Steelers are the top five largest fan base in America. For like six weeks, they've been like, Mason Rudolph sucks. And then took two passes. Anyway, the point is Duck Hodges playing. Great name. Great name.

They're playing Cleveland again this week, which could have been awkward if Mason was playing. Now it's just kind of... Yeah, it all worked out, I feel like. It all worked out. So I don't think anyone's playing Duck Hodges in fantasy. I hope not. Maybe not. No.

Does this affect the Steelers receivers? You got James Washington had that big play. Deonti Johnson's been playing well. Juju Smith, Schuster, still in concussion protocol. I think it's good for both Deontay Johnson and James Washington just from the fact that Duck is not a checkdown machine. I mean, he's at least willing to, you know, he gets the ball out on time, he's willing to push it down field.

He's much more aggressive from the very, very small sample that we've seen is he's willing to, you know, make throws down the field, which is obviously a huge, huge deal for receivers. So I'm optimistic that it could be a slight bump for both of those. guys, and honestly, when Juju comes back, for him too. And I think better for Jalen Samuels or whoever the hell on is Benny Snell, whoever ends up playing running back for Steelers when we eventually find that out is much better for them when the offense actually moves instead of becomes a three-and-out machine. Yeah. Speaking of three-and-out machines, Andy Dalton replacing Ryan Finley again in Cincinnati.

Good segue, yeah. RIP to the Ryan Finley era, it was nice while we knew you. You were, I was going to read his stats and I was like, you know what, it's not, it's not important. His touchdown pass, so his touchdown pass, Tyler Boyd, I think it was a touchdown a lot yesterday, was hilarious because it was legitimately maybe the slowest pass I've ever seen in my life. Like the ball looked like it was moving in slow motion. You know when like you throw like a, you see a quarterback throw a really deep pass

and you were like, oh my God, what's going to happen here? With Ryan Finley, you get that on like short or immediate passes. You have thoughts during it? It's wild. Anyway, so Andy Dalton's the starter. Now that's the point. Yes, yes. The red rifle.

He's probably worth an ad in like two quarterback leagues, probably not in anything else. But the question is, does it help everyone else on the Bengals? So like Joe Mixon, anything that makes an offense better like the Steelers, anything that makes an offense better is better for everyone else. So Joe Mixon probably better for him. And then, I mean, Tyler Boyd, Agent Green. This is a big upgrade, I actually think, for these guys. Oh, yeah. DeK, what do you think for Tyler Boyd?

It's huge for Boyd who has benefited from the squeaky wheel narrative over the last few weeks. he came out of the game, I think, two weeks ago and was complaining about not being a bigger part of the passing game, which is fair considering the talent and everything that the Bengals have at the receiver position that he had like one target or two targets or something in the game. So since then, he's been a much, much bigger part of the offense. I think that's going to continue. I think Dalton trusts him.

And so, yeah, I think that's definitely a good thing for both him and Tate. Beautiful. All right. So now that we've covered Andy Dalton and Duck Hodges. Would you rather have Eddie Dalton and Duck Hodges? Like, you got to win a game. Dalton, what? Yeah. What is?

Is that even a question? I just had to ask. I just had to ask. That's all. All right, sleep or stream of the week, I don't even want to do this. We're going to, we're each going to, I don't want to hear from Craig.

We're each going to pick one flex, a running back receiver at Tide End, who is owned in less than 40% of leagues. And the guy who has the most points that weekend for the person, they get the win, and whoever gets the most wins. I don't know. We have to grow the Gardner-Mintry Facebook mustache thing.

I don't know. Who's winning right now? You are, Craig. Glad you asked. Craig, what do you have four now? Four straight? You guys haven't won since week eight. Whew, on a roll.

He's on a heater. Are we going through all the way through the fantasy playoffs? Yeah. Okay. So we still got time to catch up. All right. Yeah, just the regular season. We're stopping, what?

Is week 16 the last week or 17? Oh, that's a good question. I think we stop after weeks. When I don't win by week 16, we'll just go double or nothing on week 17. I think that's what we'll do, 10 or nothing. To recap, let's recap real quick. What happened? I picked Jacob Holliser, the Seahawks.

He ended up only with 4.2 PPR points. And I'm just going to say, I'm just going to point it out that he was open by like 25 fucking yards in the end zone. And Russell Wilson chucked it over his head like that freaking, that gift that everyone plays, the guy just chucking it like into the 30th row of the, of the, of the, in that basketball game. I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds funny. I know what you're talking about, D.K.

People will know. I love visual jokes on podcasts. Sorry, that was, I'm going off the rails. My point is, Hollister, bad pick, could have been a whole lot better, should have been a whole lot better. So anyways, I didn't win that one. If it makes you feel me better,

if he caught the touchdown, it wouldn't have meant. Yeah, I was going to say, why do you complain? He wouldn't have lost. He wouldn't have won. He wouldn't have won. It would have been a better recommendation, is my point. More pride.

Yes. And we're going, just, you know, rising tide, raises all shit. So Darius Slayton was Danny's. He had a pretty good game. Four catches, 67 yards, 10.7 pbr points. Danny was going to go with Devo Samuel. We talked him out of it.

Samuel had one catch for 50 yards. Still wasn't good enough, but 13 p.p.R points in. Yeah, touchdown. 13 points is. Solid. That's where the Duck Hodges thing, if I'm being honest, I was so pissed because he was just not doing any. James Washington was not doing anything the whole game.

And then Doug Hodges throws in. His second pass is actually like a pass interference panel. on James Washington. And I'm like, all right, sick, sick, this is not going to do anything. And then that doesn't count as a play. So then the second pass again is then the James Washington touchdown. I was like, shit, Craig won again. I was so mad.

Anyhow, my point is not a terrible week of streamers overall. Obviously, Hollister was a bus, but he should have been better. Yeah. So there you go, Craig. You win with James Washington, 18.8 PPR points. Washington had seven targets, three catches, 98 yards, and a touchdown. thanks to your beloved Doug Hodges. Thank you very much.

Week 13. You know what Craig? Why don't you take it off, Craig? You're the winner here. I'm going to go with McCull Hardman on the Chiefs. McCall Hardman, tied for second in the NFL with 3 40-plus-yard touchdown catches, tied with Tyreek Kill and Kenny Galladay. Tyreek's probably going to play, but he's been injury prone all season. And if he does leave the game, Hardman is the guy who steps up.

When Tyreek left last week, McCall Hardman played 51 snaps compared to Sammy Watkins, 55. Those are the two most on the team. And DeMarcus Robinson only played 38. Playing the Raiders this week, Donald just shredded them, as we found out earlier. This is going to be a get-right game for the Chiefs. I'm just banking on like another James Washington-style game from Hardman. Like two catches, 80 yards touchdown. The last time the Chiefs played the Raiders, Patrick Mahomes, had four touchdowns at a quarter.

Sounds good to me. That was cool. Oh, Danny, I just looked at who you picked. God damn it. D-K, yeah. You go first. No, you go first. Okay, I picked Randall Cobb, the Cowboys, who is owned in 30% of Yahoo Leagues,

going up against the bills this week, who have very good corners on the outside. Maybe they could get Cobb involved a little bit more on the slot. He has been really good over the last four weeks for the Cowboys. He's been a much bigger part of their offense. Week 12, four catches, 86 yards, 12.6 p.m. points, week 11, four catches, 115 yards on a touchdown, 21.5 points, PPR, week 10, six catches, 160 yards on a touchdown 22.6 ppr. So he's been on fire of late. And I'm just kind of hoping that continues this week against the bills. Cobb, yeah, you know what, I'm just so

emotionally upset right now. I am picking Rashad Penny. Yeah. The Seattle Seahawks. I hope you win this week, by three. I feel empty inside. I feel like Do you want to just trade Danny? Does that make sense? No, no, because I want to win. And that's why I'm upset with myself, is because I want to win so badly. And I want to wipe this smug smile of Craig's face that I am stooping to the level of recommending Rashad Penny. He should be called like Rashad Hay Penny.

It's barely worth it. But anyway. Stoop to the level of the fifth best college running back of all time. Wow, what a list. We're not even getting into that. He does have the, he's number five on single season record, but whatever. I hate you so much. Basically, it's like if ball security is Pete Carroll's concern, I feel like Chris Carson will lose the goal line touches first.

That's kind of my whole little thesis here. I don't want to pretend to know what the exact split is. I think it will be significant. I think it will be, you know, less than 60%, but like more than a third. I think that it's going to be either right near 50-50 or real close. But I think Rashad Penny is going to get the goal line touches because, again, Chris Carson, most fumbles through 11 games in NFL history for a non-quarterback. That's abominable. And I don't think you can...

They're playing Minnesota. This is a massive, massive game because it's about who gets the wild card preference. Because right now the Vikings and Sealk somehow are both unset for the wild card, even though they're like 9 and 8 win teams. So it really matters. And you can't lose a goal line fumble in this game

under any circumstances. And I think Rashop Penny could get a touchdown, maybe too. And I feel dirty. I want to take a shower. I can't believe I've done this. He always turns up. That's like the Indiana Jones line. I'm like a bad penny.

turn up. All right, enough of that. That was awful. Now I want to do something fun. Let's do fantasy court. Do you have a fantasy football dispute that needs litigation? Is there a question that only outside counsel can solve? Take it to fantasy court on the Ringer NFL show Facebook page.

All right, we are joined by senior writer at ESPN, the host of ESPN Daily, and the Mina Kime show featuring Lenny. Mina, welcome to the show. You forgot to add recent Victor over Danny Kelly in the... the Dynasty Fantasy League. Everyone's beating D.K. It seems like. Yeah, tough week for him.

He's good. His team is good, though, so. Yeah, I would like to, I'm going to go ahead and point out first, Mina, you did beat me. We did head to head two weeks ago or last week. However, I am in first place in this league. Do you want to do a deep dive on how this victory went? I'd, yes.

It came down to Kelsey versus Tyreek Hill. That was basically, I think it were neck and neck going into Monday night football. I feel like I asked Mina, but it's okay. Yeah, okay, go ahead. It's all right. I'm used to it. I'm on sports television. Yeah, no, Danny's right, actually, for once.

It did come down to that matchup, and then it was, what, two weeks to go, right? So he'll win out, I want to say, like, five minutes into the game. He pulled his hamstring or something. Danny sent me a bunch of whiny texts, but I really just want to talk about it because, you know, Danny is a big, first of all, Danny is one of my oldest pals in sports media. We were friends when he was at Field Goals, and I was a business journalist, just like nerding it up on Seahawks Internet, before Seahawks Internet was a thing. And it's been great to watch his rise as a fantasy guru, but it honestly makes this victory

taste that much sweeter because usually I'm not, like, usually I'm the person who tries really hard, right? Like, I'm not the guy in class who is like, whatever, I didn't study. I just naturally got to be. I am the person who studies. But in fantasy, I'm really not that studious. In particular, in this league, Danny might remember. I accidentally started an inactive player a week before.

So the fact that I didn't try as hard as Danny and still won is honestly, it really drives home what an incredible win this was. Speaks volumes. No, I mean, I have no responsibility. response other than I must point out again that I am in first place in the league. Mina is in second to her credit. She has a great, great short-term dynasty team that's going to fall apart completely after this season. But that's neither here nor there.

She's good this season. Yeah, it is definitely a win now roster, for sure. A win now mentality. That's a good, the future doesn't exist. It's all about the present. Also, Deky, why is your name, I talk to Godwin? Because I'm terrible at making fantasy football names, and Godwin is one of my players. It was just DK for a very long time because I have absolutely no creativity when it comes to that.

Honesty. It's a great quality for a fantasy show host. Jeez. All right, well, we could get some creativity in right here. Mina, you are a special judge today for our fantasy court case. Amazing. We have a very important thing we need to break down. Bayliff Craig, do you want to introduce this case?

Yes, sir. All right. This is from At Real Normal Dan, which is just a great name. It's great to know it's not a bot asking a question on this show. He asks, how is last place decided? We've just formed a new league and we forgot to decide this at the beginning of the season, and there's a punishment for last place. Should it be decided by record at the end of the season or the loser of the bottom to playoff matches?

Mina, what do you think? First, are all of your listeners also named Dan? Is that like a prerequisite? Absolutely. I just changed my name. Yeah. Oh, sorry, Craig. Yeah. So I have a preference for the losers bracket just because I think, you know, you want to compel teams to still strategize in that same way at the end, right?

And it adds a little bit of mystery and drama to the last few weeks. So that would be my decision. I completely agree. I think anything to incentivize people to actually check at the end, because especially if it's like fear, that's a great motivating factor. You can always give the last place their money back and incentivize them, but fear is better. I had a very similar experience than real normal Dan did in that one of my fantasy leagues

started talking about what are we in week? We're going into week 13. Now they started talking about whoever gets the last place, you know, what the penalty is for last place. And I think part of the other question was can you decide this

this late in the season? Or is Is this something you have to decide, you know, like at the beginning, everyone has to agree to it? What do you think of that? Well, who's deciding, right? Because, like, for example, if it was in our league where I recently beat you and I'm near the top of the league, I would obviously have a motivation to choose a more humiliating punishment, right? Right, right. Because I know it's not going to happen to me.

So I tend to think you probably have to decide it all before the season, especially if you're going to do something extreme. I think in this question I think that they've decided on the punishment but they forgot to define what last place is So I think if they probably know Who's going to come in last place It's probably become one two for the regular season standings

So it's probably the four or five people Who might not make the playoffs or being like No no no no it's going to be regular season And this poor commissioner now has to sort out Like this populist movement within this league Trying to avoid punishment But no it's the whole tournament What's the last place punishment for your guys's dynasty league

DK Amina? I don't know We don't have one actually We did not think of that. The thing is with Dynasty, getting last place is sort of a good thing because then you get a high draft pick the next year. So there's some difference there. So we have rules in place on our league where people can't tank. Technically, you're not allowed to tank. Like you can't just bench everyone on your roster and play nobody.

Oh, to try to get the first pick. Right. So, and then we implemented fantasy, like in the fantasy playoffs, everybody is still going, and, you know, there's different brackets in terms of, like, the loser bracket, and then the last two teams duke it out. And whoever wins for the last two teams, they get the first overall pick. So you have to keep competing all the way through. It's a way to avoid, like, it's a way to make things interesting all the way through the season. I'd just like to say I appreciate all the hard work, Danny, you put into the league. Clearly, I don't know anything about the rules. Also, just to open the kimono a little bit, gross expression.

This is Danny's High School Friends League, right? And it's like all your high school friends. And I remember early on for the draft, you asked me if I wanted to be part of the group text. I don't think I've ever said no so quickly to anything in my life. But I love the league. All I want to do is just beat your high school friends in this league. Minna, do you have any punishments in your leagues

that are particularly fun for last week? place, and have you ever had to do any of them? No, I've never lost. I've never come in dead last. I'm not like an awesome all the time winner or anything either. I'm kind of a solid middle of the pack type of

person, but I've never come in last. I was in a league once where they did like the weird facial hair, like the you had to do like a foo man chew type thing, which I feel like is pretty basic, pretty basic punishment. How would that

work. For me, not well. I once... I had to do a beer mile because I came in last a few years ago and that was tough. How did that go? Was there projectile vomit involved? Afterward,

not during. Way after. I survived and it was fine. I had a Friends League where every year, whoever gets dead last the guy who gets first decides any city in the Pacific time zone and you have to take a bus to that city. Oh, no.

Spend a night in a hotel and then just take a bus right back. Oh, my God. That is horrible. Wait, so what cities have been picked? Do we talk about Portland or like Fresno? People are picking like deep into Nevada. Connecula. Yeah.

Idaho maybe or somebody's really cruel. That was a great one. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I asked around to a couple of friends about this. I got some good answers. So Friends League, the loser had to, and this was last, year, he had to get a spray tan, full-body spray tan, and go onto a street corner and play a recorder

for as long as, so basically either 20 minutes or as soon as he made $20, whichever came first. So I thought that one was pretty good. I've heard a couple people talk about how the loser has to take the SAT, which to me is less sort of humiliating or mortifying and more just like, that's a lot of work. I'd rather do Is that a tire SAT? Yeah. Or I guess the ACT, whatever the kids are taking these days, I don't even know.

But yeah. Your dad now, you've got to know this stuff. I know. Danny, if you lose our league, you have to change Calvin's name to Hobbs. You're not going to lose, so you should just figure it. That works. That works. Okay.

I thought a good one would be for someone to have to do a 20-minute stand-up set in an open mic. Oh, my God. How nightmarish would that be? Chilling. If you two, if D.K. and Mina, if you guys meet in the playoffs, the loser should have to do that. Yeah.

There should be, yeah. You guys need to make a bet. I know. I know. I'm going to do something like, you know, Danny has to get a Niners tattoo or something. Oh. That's another one.

I know. It's a long time. It would have been for me in the past. You have to, you know, put on a ramp shirt. But I did it on my own accord. So I feel like I've already. Oh, my God. I don't, who do you think is going to lose our league, Danny?

It's coming down. There's a guy named JJ who's almost certainly going to lose. But we don't, I wish we had a, I wish we had a freaking punishment now. You can publicly shame him, so that's a good alternative. I just did. There we go. There we go. Sorry to JJ.

And at Real Normal Dan from two also normal Danes and me and Craig. There we go. It is decided. Last place goes to last place tournament loser. And it has also decided, D.K., you got wrecked in. fantasy by both Craig and I and Meena this week, so that's really tough for you. Brutal. Brutal turn of events for me, yeah.

I think that's all we got, Mina. Do you want to get one last Dunkin? I just, if I win the whole dynasty, it's called Dynasty, Fantasy League, then I'd like to come back on the Danesie show. But if I don't win, I never want to talk to either of you ever again. Perfect. Sounds great. Thank you so much.

Bye, guys. Bye. Thank you again to Mina. You can listen to her on the, she's the host of the ESPN. Daily and The Meena Kheim show featuring Lenny. Thank you to her. Thank you to Craig. Thank you to TK for all the memories you've left us with. It's been great.

It's been great. Thank you to At Real Normal, Dan. Ask us more questions on the Ringer NFL show Facebook page or at Danny B. Kelly on Twitter or Danny underscore Haifitz on Twitter. What is your handle, Craig? It's just my name. At Craig Horlebeck. Yeah, if you can spell that good luck. Damn it.

Thank you to all of us. Thank you to everyone for listening. We will see you later this week. Have a happy and healthy Thanksgiving.