The Ringer NFL Show - New York's Giant Contract Issue, Gronk's Return, and Terrell Owens's Twitter Campaign | GM Street (Ep. 267)

Episode Date: June 4, 2018

The Ringer’s Michael Lombardi and Tate Frazier take a look at Odell Beckham Jr.'s contract situation with the Giants (01:30), Tom Brady's and Rob Gronkowski's expected arrivals at New England Patriots minicamp (06:30), whether the San Francisco 49ers will sign Terrell Owens (12:30), Atlanta Falcon Julio Jones attending Cam Newton's charity kickball game (14:45), and more. Credits: Hosted by: Michael Lombardi and Tate Frazier Produced by: Jim Cunningham Brought to you by: The Ringer Podcast Network Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On today's episode of GM Street, we will discuss Tom Brady and Rob Gruncowski reporting the camp. We will also talk about Terrell Owens, T.O., possibly coming back to the NFL. He's reaching out and saying he wants to give it a chance. And a whole lot more news around the NFL, as always. And we are part of the Ringer Podcast Network, where the Ringer NBA show has you covered for the NBA finals. Kevin O'Connor is there on the ground along with the boss, Bill Simmons. You can also check out our new music podcast on Shuffle hosted by Micah Peters, as well as our yummy new food podcast, the Dave Chang Show, Dave Chang.

Great guy. Just had Alan Yang on, not to spoil it, but it was a great conversation. And be sure to check out the ringer.com where we have Westworld coverage, spicy NBA takes, and so much more. And now let's get on with GM Street. Welcome to GM Street, part of the Ringer Podcast Network. It is Monday. It is June 4th.

I am Tate Frazier, and I am on the phone with Michael Lombardi. Lombardi, how you doing? Tate Frazier, I am Will. I am doing well back on the East Coast and the great state of New Jersey. Can't beat it, Tate Fraser. Absolutely. I was just back in North Carolina. We were back in our respective home states. I am now back in Sunday, Los Angeles. I'm missing you here. But I'm happy you're home back in New Jersey, back in your respective state. There's also a lot going on in the NFL, and we have to get to one of our favorite topics of discussion here at GM Street, and that is OBJ. Ferris Bueller, as we like to call on this program, and what is going on with his contract situation.

He has been showing up at OTAs. Everyone is talking about how much he is buying in to show. show these giants that he is committed and focused on proving that he deserves a new contract from the team. But today is the first day of a week three of OTAs and he is not showing up to camp today for the Giants. Just the OBJ situation at large with this new contract, it seems like it's been a lot of back and forth about showing commitment on both sides of the equation. OBJ is trying to prove that he does want to show up in New York and be a part of that team. And obviously mentor Seekwon Barkley right there with the offense. But now it seems like he's not showing up on Monday and he really wants to get into these contract negotiations.

Where do you stand in the OBJ situation of what should be going on there? I think too many voices in an organization always create problems in contract negotiation. We know what John Marriss said about O'Dell Beckham. We know that he loves Ferris and he's part of the fabric of the organization and all those things. And what happens is because when you have so many voices speaking out about a player and promoting the player, that makes it more difficult to do a contract with, it makes it much more difficult. Even though this contract shouldn't be that hard to do when you see more. Mike Evans got his deal done. When you see

what Jarvis Landry got his deal done. But when you're talking about making this guy into the 20 million area, like a quarterback, now all of a sudden you have to swallow hard and wonder whether you're going to do it. And what happens is everything you put into a player via the paper, it's going to be

multiplied when it comes back. We had a kid when I was in Cleveland. We signed this guy, Barry Wilburn. He's a corner. He played for the Redskins on the Super Bowl teams, and then he kind of fizzled out. And he was out of the league, and we gave him a one-year try a contract. And he had a great mini-camp. He looked really good in minicamp. He wanted to renegotiate his contract because we said some nice things about him in the

paper during minicamp. And you know, and you learn the lesson there that, hey, time out. You know, nobody should be speaking about the players other than the head coach. The general manager, every time he talks about the players, he's increasing the contract value. And I think this is what we're seeing the cause and effect of the giants. I think what we're seeing here is the giants have had a lot of talk. They've got a lot of talking heads there. They've got Gettelman speaks. They got, you know,

they got Pat Schumer speaks. And then they got John Mara speaks. They got all these people that talk. And they're all saying how great they are. That's not on O'Dell. He hears it. He expects to get paid for it. And I think that's why it's very difficult for Kevin Abrams, who's trying to do this contract. He's sitting there saying, look, let's focus on the numbers. Here's Mike Evans at

this number. Here's Sammy Walker's at this numbers. Here's your numbers. You know, how do you do? I mean, it's not that hard of a contract to do because there's been deals done. But when you have this narrative that's being talked about above and beyond a receiver, whoa, time out. There's a precedent that's been set. And, you know, you're talking about all the other contracts that are being done out there with all these other wide receivers. So they know what the number probably would look like if they're going to make OBJ the highest pit wide receiver. But we know from what he's said and what the Giants have said about him that he believes he needs to be paid as a different echelon.

And the same way that, yeah, exactly, the same way that Rob Gruncowski, you know, probably feels a little bit like that, too. I mean, they view themselves as more than just that position and being paid at that position. They view themselves as being paid as a playmaker. We know OBJ said he wants to make at least $20 million. I mean, that's quarterback money. There's no Super Bowls on O'Dell's hands. I mean, Rob, it's responsible for winning Super Bowls in New England. I mean, he's responsible for helping them win, you know? And so, you, you know, you, you You pay for that.

That's something that costs you money when you do it. You know, when you win, everybody benefits from it. And I just think that you can't, you're not controlling the PR. You know, nobody mentions, there's been no mentioning of him going down to Miami, you know, in the playoff game and losing the Green Bay in Green Bay, you know, about that week, you know, when he took the team under his wing, and they have yet to take him on. And now they're going to try to take him on in a contract, and it's harder. And I think this is a mess that they've created organizationally because they fail,

to understand that everything they say magnifies the problem. And people always get pissed off at Belichick because he doesn't, you know, he's not trying to, well, because he knows he's got to do a contract with him. Like there's time and place to talk about how good a player is. But to the, when you do it to the media and not to the, look, you could have conversation, look, Odell's a really good player. And we need him to be a good player on our team. He is.

Is he one of the best receivers in football? Yes. Is he better than this guy? Is he better than that guy? Let's have that conversation. But to put him in a quarterback class. when he didn't win a playoff game with him up in Green Bay, when he basically took the team down to Miami.

And, you know, I mean, when he does things that are completely, you know, against what quarterbacks typically do, how do you pay that? And then once you do that as you're in the league, you do that, you open up Pandora's Mirror, a Pandora's Box. I mean, it's over. Pandora's mirror sounds even more daunting. I will say this. You brought up the Bill Belichick situation, and he's got his guys,

Gronk and Tom Brady are both, you know, their own hand. they're at Jolette Stadium and Gras confirmed that he will attend the Pats minicamp. And there's been a lot of reports and they've been talking about the fact that it reminds me I remember the Titans when PD says, you know, zero fun, sir. That's what is going on with Belichick. You know, there's apparently been reports that they have zero fun with the New England Patriots. And that is kind of leaked out into the Grankowski and Tom Brady. They've tried to tie those stories in. But all that to be said, there's only one voice coming out of New England and those two guys,

Grankowski and Tom Brady will now be in camp. So I'm sure all that stuff will kind of fade away. It has to be. You know, take Frasier, you can't get fined. Many camps are voluntary. And it's very clear. In New England, either you're all in for mini camps or don't come at all. You know, this is, you know, New England's mini camp program isn't just come for a couple

days and come back, miss a week and come back. Either you want to be in for the whole thing or you don't. I mean, and that's, to me, the best way to do it, right? Yeah. Like, you can be excused. If you have something going on, okay, I got to miss this day, understanding. You know, my son's graduation. I can't make it here.

Okay, fine. But typically, you're either all in or you're not. and so Gronks decided because of his contract. This has always been about money. We lose sight of this, and it's been easy, and it's been kind of, and the stories changed a little bit because it's been talked about about the no fun. I mean, look, I was there for three years. There was players had fun there.

We had fun winning. Winning is fun, but winning's hard too, you know, and it's easy for guys to take shots at them from afar because, you know, they haven't been a part of it. But when you put together seven conference championships and you've been five Super Bowls, you know, it's not an easy thing to do. They play football late into January almost every year. That does get tiresome that most people.

You know, they haven't ended their season that January 1st or 2nd, like a lot of teams in the league do where they have the whole month of January off. It does wear and tear on their bodies, and it does wear and tear on their minds, and you can understand that. But the reality of not having fun, I don't buy that.

I think there's certain teams that are harder to build together, and I think last year's team was indicative of that. Yeah, and there's no Hakuna Matata, when you talk about, you know, the fact that the New England Patriots, they go into every single season with Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, knowing that they are trying to win a championship in the same way that LeBron James is now going into every, you know, NBA season with the outlook that I have to get to the finals. I have to try to win a championship. It's that same pedigree. And, you know, a lot of times it's going to be tougher. There's not going to be that many smiles. But at the end of the day, you will celebrate when you do reach the mountaintop. And that is the ultimate goal. I want to talk about a guy who has a major ultimate goal to get back to the NFL. And that is T. O. Terrell Owens. He pitches the 49ers via Twitter to John Lynch, the GM there. He wants to make a comeback to the NFL. Tio has been quite the character and has entertained people for a long time and says he wants to return to football.

Is there any chance that we could see this in San Francisco, Lombardy? I would doubt it. But, I mean, look. Des Bryant is thinking, my goodness, I hope not. He cannot have someone else take his roster spot. Yeah, you know, and I think it's kind of fascinating that, you know, this gets attention, but maybe that's just what it all is. It's just attention.

I mean, at some point, you know, Brady's playing into his 40s, but T.O. I don't know how that could happen. I wouldn't put any past Tio, but I think at this point in his life, it's hard to, you want your mind wants to do it, your body just can't. Yeah, and let's, you know, I brought up Des. I just kind of want to talk about, you know, the free agents that are still out there. We saw Brandon Marshall. He signs a deal with the Seahawks for a little over $2 million. He said, you know, he came out and said he didn't have a ton of options on the open market.

He was trying to find a spot. So now, you know, Des is in this situation where he reported. turned down a Ravens deal that was three years, $21 million that they ended up giving out to Crabtree. So that was $7 million a year. What is the market for Des Bryant? I mean, he got a little bit screwed by being released so late so teams had already

addressed the problems that they had at wide receiver. But where is Dez looking? And I mean, is there anywhere for him to go or is he just kind of have to wait this whole thing out a little bit? Part for Des is not being in a camp and not learning somebody's offense because where he's coming from. So he's in the Dallas and the Clapper's offense And the Clapper's offense is a derivative of Norves offense, which is all numerical.

And so, say, he goes to a West Coast system and say he starts having to learn his passing game, his passing routes by words. And, you know, that's going to be harder for Des. And it's going to be harder when he doesn't have a true, when he doesn't have an offseason program to kind of work his way through it. And I think this is really what's hard. And, you know, Des is going from, you know, making $12, $13 million a year to now what's he going to make. I mean, you know, you turned out. Your value is in the NFL what people want to pay. think it's going to be very difficult for him to get a big-time contract.

He's going to have to prove it on a contract and see what he can do. I mean, I would assume, and I don't know this for a fact, but I would assume Seattle would have talked to Des before they went to Brandon Marshall, healthier body, you know, maybe has a chance to bounce back. If Marshall's a one-year guy, that's most you're going to get out of Marshall. I'm not sure Marshall can stay healthy for the entire season. Maybe he can. But if you're John Schneider, you'd rather have Des if you're going to go down this older veteran

and receiver road. And so obviously, Dese wasn't interested in one of these minimum contracts. And so now he's either got to take to himself. Like, there's no $10 million a year contracts sitting out there right now. I mean, look, Kendrick's just signed with Cleveland for $3.5 million short on one-year deal. You know, it's a lower deal. It's a defensive player.

So you're going to have to take the money and get into a camp. And I think really, if I was a team of a GM and knowing that Des is not going to be to be enough to the new offense as quickly as you need them to be, you're basically saying to yourself, I'm going to pay $4 million, and am I really going to get 16 games out of them? Because maybe the first half of the season, he might not really know what to do. Yeah. I want to talk about it a little bit more. I mean, there are a lot of notable names out there that are still free agents, you know, just for the casual football fan that knows guys that are on the field that they've seen before. I mean, Jeremy Macklin is another receiver out there that will probably get some looks around the year. So he's out there. He's been hurt the last couple seasons. So what happens to these older guys that get hurt, nobody wants to touch him.

Eric Decker is another guy like that. Decker couldn't separate last year for Tennessee. He's going to have a hard time separating and gets too deep man coverage. It's going to be hard for those guys. And once Gruden doesn't want you as an older receiver, it's kind of hard to get a job. He's like the landing spot for all old receivers.

You would think Des would have a place out in Oakland, but obviously John knows that Des would probably struggle to handle all the things he wants to do on his offense. So I think this is the time of the year where you have to make a decision. Either I get into a camp or and I make a one-year deal and turn into something bigger or I don't and I just hope

and it's really just a hope because there's no big deals coming down the road. All right, word on the street, one of our favorite segments where we just go around and see some news and notes around the league. Tide in, Zach Miller, we know and remember from the Bears that serious injury last year, the Bears are bringing him back and I just want to put it out there. Congratulations for Zach Miller. I mean, when that happened, that was a horrible injury

that everyone was sort of reactive to and, you know, did not ever want to see that on the field, but he looks like he will be able to at least try to mount a comeback for the Bears, so that's good news for the tight end. Zach Miller? It really is. You know, this Bear team has got some things going for it, right? I mean, Negi's got an offense that can be conducive.

It's all going to come down to Tribusky, whether he can actually operate in this Kansas City West Coast college offense. And can he make it? They've got skill players now. They've increased their offensive line. They're better. I mean, I think the Chicago team's got some things going for it.

It's all going to come down to Trubisky, really. At the end of the day, do you believe in him? I don't, but we're going to find out whether who's right and who's wrong here. If Trubisky can take the Jared Gough leap and jump up that high like he did, then the Bears certainly have the elements of being a really good team. I mean, they're not going to win

five games and they're not going to win 15, but they're going to be somewhere in between and they've got a chance to be competitive depending on what Trubisky can do in this new style of office. And if he can't play in this scheme, Tate Frazier, I don't know what scheme he's going to be able to play in. And there's been a lot of sneaky picks I've seen, you know,

everyone's doing their preseason, you know, who's going to win divisional picks. And a lot of people in the NFC North are, you know, even with the Vikings loading up with, you know, getting cousins there and obviously having their team coming back with Diggs and Adam Dillon. But people were saying that the Bears could be a sneaky team if Mitch Trubisky can make that leap. And speaking of Carolina quarterbacks that are trying to make that leap, Cam Newton had his annual kickball tournament this weekend. There were a lot of people there and a lot of former players. Josh Norman was there. We got a little bit of Cam Newton, Josh Norman reunion for all the Carolina Panthers fans from the 2015 season. And a

Another guy was there, which is a rival in the NFC South, Julio Jones. And Cam Newton and Julio Jones took a picture. And the Carolina Panthers's Twitter account tweeted at the Falcons, hey, basically with the two of them, you know, hanging out. And Julio had this whole, you know, situation on social media where he deleted all of his Falcons posts and got rid of his social media for a little bit. And people were freaking out wondering what that meant because he had, you know, been in some conversations about re-up it on his contract.

But this happens this weekend. Is there anything to buy into this, Lombardia? Or should we just not care? Is this no big news? I think Julio's in the same boat that Robbz and Grunkowski's in. I think he's in the same boat that Brady's in. I think he's watching these contracts. And he's like, wait a minute.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I know I have a contract. I know I have more years left, but like this is really wrong. Like for Sammy Watkins to make more money than me, time out. You know, time out. This is the problem with doing contracts on these guys early because they always get passed. This is what the union wants.

The union wants the Sammy Watkins contract to be so good that it, forces Julio to redo his deal. And then all of a sudden, the numbers keep trending upwards. And if you're Julio, you know, you have, the only thing you can do is what he's doing is stay away, come for the minicamp, basically, you know, do what you're told to do because you're going to get fine. They're going to come back. And if you miss a camp or you miss anything that's mandatory, they're going to come after your signing bonus. That's what the new collective bargaining agreed upon. That's why we don't see holdouts anymore. That's why it's very difficult to hold out. They want to come after your signing bonus.

If you get suspended, you're losing some of your signing bonus. Even though it's been paid, you're going to lose it because the signing bonus is pro-rated. And there's off-set language in there based on missing games or missing mandatory events. So guys will show up when they have to, but clearly, this is a protest and going over to be with Cam. It's clearly saying, hey, Atlanta, pay attention to me, man. You got to pay me. And if you're, I mean, I know, Devin Funches works out with Mohamed Sunu, another, you know, Falcons receiver. they work out in the offseason together.

I mean, this happens all the time. Players are friends. It doesn't, you know, there's no organizational split a lot of the times. You know, people are just friendly outside of the lines. But if you're Demetrov and you're the GM of the Falcons, if you see this, I mean, do you have any reaction to it? Do you reach out to Julio? Do you try to make some sort of contact or do you just kind of leave it as, you know, and leave it for what it is?

I think, you know, the thing you've got to be able to do is that I'm sure Dr. Blank's looking at it. You've got to be able to have a conversation internally. what are we going to do? How are we going to handle this? Do we want to extend it? What's the, what's the best thing we can do to resolve this issue? Because it's not going to go away. We can't bear our head in the sand. The guy is going to want to get paid and he deserves to get more money, but he does have a contract. So now you've got all sorts of policies that you have in place. I mean, Gronk has always renegotiated his contract. I mean, the ink's not even dry on the last contract and Gronk wants to renegotiate. This isn't like a bad person because you want to renegotiate. This is just the reality of the league we live in today. And that's one of the things that makes the MBA so much better is because they got those max contracts. You know, guys will get out of their deals. They can opt out and do things so that it becomes a little bit easier. Now these guys, the market's ever evolving and there's going to have to be changes. And you as a general manager, you've got to pay attention to it. Whenever you do a contract or whenever you see another contract done, you've got to pay attention

to it and see how it reacts. That's saying you have to redo everybody's contract, but you've got to know what's going on. You have to have a conversation with the agent and let them know. And whatever you say to that agent, you've got to make sure you're very clear and concise because that's going to get conveyed back to the player. And if the player doesn't feel the value, obviously you can tell that the NFL players themselves, some of these stars like a Brady, like a Grancowski, like an OBJ, like a Julio Jones, they were trying to take some of that onus and put the ball a little bit back in their court because for so long it did not seem like that was the case.

And as the market develops, it is a business. Everyone understands that. And I think for the most part, it used to be the fans' dismissal of those situations. It seems like that is not happening as often. I remember when Dorel Revis was holding out back in 2009, people were very upset with him for doing that for a little while, even though he was trying to get paid his money. I mean, it seems like it sort of evolved a little bit

where the fans seem to understand where the players are coming from in some of those situations, which is nice. Speaking of fans trying to understand where players are coming from, we have to talk about game one of the NBA finals. J.R. Smith, we were all trying to understand what he was thinking when he gets this rebound off a George Hill missed free throw that would have given the Cavaliers a lead. He gets the rebound beyond Kevin Durant,

and then he dribbles straight out as if he was dribbling to run the clock out. We all got the famous moment where LeBron James is pointing to the basket, like, what are you doing? There was a video that came out. This is during the commercial break today. When it cuts to the Cavs bench, and you can obviously cut the tension with a knife, as you look at all the players there,

and, you know, J.R., LeBron, George Hill, they're all sitting on the bench. No one's really saying anything. And when Ty Loo, the head coach comes at the bench, you can do a nice little lip reading. LeBron asked him, you know, did what he have a timeout? And obviously they did have a timeout. Lou tells him they did have a timeout. And LeBron, I mean, shock and flabbergasted, for cleft, whatever word you want to use, he was just completely shocked and just completely upset about what, you know, transpired in that situation.

Obviously probably upset it himself. He didn't call a time out a little bit. I upset that J.R. didn't decide to call a timeout. upset the Ty Loo didn't call a timeout. upset that they just didn't execute this final play. So I have to ask you, is there any comparison that you can make to this J.R. Smith play? You've seen a little bit more basketball than me with all your time watching Bobby Jones and Billy Cunningham back in the day. So have you seen anything like this? I think these are all game situations that you almost have to always practice. And, you know, yeah, I mean, look, I've been critical with J.R. Smith.

I've seen, you know, I often wonder if J.R. Smith's values for the calves or for the opponent. I tend to think it's more for the opponent, you know. But you know what hit me with that video, St. Frazier was how, I mean, this is the seventh conference championship that LeBron's been in. Yep. And this, he act, I mean, the passion in him

and what he goes through was remarkable and how he felt and, you know, and what he looked at. And he's right. I mean, look, if everybody can get mad at J.R. Smith, but Ty Lou should have called timeout. I mean, that's a fact. I mean, there you are.

You're not paying attention to the game. Once he got the rebound, he should have been screaming timeout. He should have been screaming to him. Because the one thing you know is your head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers is you know, you don't want J.R. to Smith making decisions for it. So once you saw him get the ball, you don't want it to just let it play. You need to intercede.

And I think that's why LeBron was so pissed off because even though it's not LeBron's job to know how many timeouts that he had, it's T. It's Tye Loo's job. But I think as much as anybody, Tai Loo has skated by on that one. I mean, J.R. Smith deserves criticism, but Tileu deserves even more for not calling timeout. and especially since he had a timeout in his pocket, he wasn't into the game. That's what drives me crazy about most coaches

that are absolutely so emotional during the game and they're screaming and yelling. They're not into the game. And that's why I always tell you all the time, the greatest coach of the coaches that look like they're playing chess are the ones that you have to fear the most because their minds are thinking two or three plays. Like, you're sitting there, you're Tailu.

And you've got to sit there and say to yourself, okay, if he misses this, we get the rebound, we got to call time out. Like, that should have been in the bench. that should have been before we shut the, if we miss, if we get the rebound, we got to call time out. It seemed like they were already planning ahead for the warriors to, for them to make the free to other than the warriors to have the ball back. I mean, I think you've got to plan for everything no, Tate Fisher. That's what you have to do, right? Of course. That's the one thing. And I think this,

where basketball so helps football is these situations that come up, you have to practice them. And you can't, and there's so many of them that you can't practice them all in football. There's so many of them, but you've got to try to practice them. That's why every week during the regular season, you've got to clip out every single critical moment of every game. And you've got to watch it as a head coach. And you've got to learn from the mistakes of other people, because if you don't, then you're going to make that mistake sometime. And you've got to spend almost every afternoon off. I mean, Belichick does this even now. Friday afternoon going over other games, seeing how people managed the clock, what they did, how they handled the situation. Because if you don't learn

from other people's mistakes, you're going to make them and you're going to get fired. Late game execution is always a pivotal point. I think the... In any sport, though. In any sport. Of course.

Of course. I felt for LeBron because I think you could see it in his face. The man, he's on such a singular mission himself to try to knock off this warrior's team and he's carrying such a weight, you know, scoring. He's basically playing point guard.

He's running the offense. Everything is initiated through him. He has so much. much weight that he has to bear in every single one of these games, and he has to execute every single possession to perfection for them to have a chance to win. And then in this situation where, you know, he just needed a little bit of help for someone else to know that they had a time out to call and for someone else to think through it. You know, I think he was probably more upset at himself. I know people were saying that he was, you know, he looked like a sour teammate or

whatever it may have been with his reaction. But I think he has so much that he is putting on himself, you know, in all these situations that he just, you know, you got to know that you have a timeout if you're Tyloo. That's all I would say. I think Jason Kidd would have known he had a timeout. He would have spilled some ice. You'd have done something. I think the pain was so obvious. It heard him. Yes. Yes. You could see the pain and that to me is why he's such a great player. Because he's going to, you know, that's what makes him work out every day.

That's what makes him come back every year. It's because it's winning is more important than anything. Absolutely. And we know that. You got to win for people to buy back in. And it's saved Kevin Durant from not getting that rebound because they won the game and nobody talked about it and said, Everyone talked about JR and George Hill and Ty Loo and the whole situation, and that's what happens when things don't go right for you.

Anything else, Lombardi, before we get out of here, we'll be gone for two weeks again. I'm back in a couple weeks. We have to wait to Wednesday for the next game, but we'll do it. And they can just brush up on the NBA draft. Hey, Frazier, I'll be ready for it. Don't worry. I'm ready. I've heard a lot of rumors about Mo Bamba.

People trying to trade up for Mo Bamba early in the draft. I'm a big fan of MoMA out of Texas 710 wingspan. Someone to keep an eye on out of Harlem, New York, got mentored by Emeka, from Yukon. People remember meka O'Core? Absolutely. From a Charlotte Popcat back in the day. So, yeah, I'm going to keep all eyes on the NBA draft. We'll keep everything up to date on the NFL,

and we'll get ready to be back in two weeks. Two weeks.