The Ringer NFL Show - Seven Questions: MVP Picks, Cooper Kupp Landing Spots, Bill Belichick’s Next Job, and More

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

From The Ringer studios in Los Angeles, Sheil Kapadia, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz deliver a special midweek show for you all today. After reacting to the DeAndre Hopkins trade (00:00), the trio tackles seven burning questions about the rest of the 2024-25 season: Where will Cooper Kupp land? (06:50) Sleeper MVP picks? (12:08) Who will win the NFC North? (18:11) Super Bowl picks? (26:10) The Jets’ final record? (34:50) Where will Bill Belichick coach next year? (43:56) Which team will have the first pick in the next draft? (54:30) The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Sheil Kapadia, Nora Princiotti, and Steven Ruiz Producers: Cory McConnell and Troy Farkas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey y'all, Syriot Sohi from The Ringer here, and I wanted to let you guys know about a new show that I'm hosting. The Ringer WNBA show. We're going to be talking about all the biggest personalities, breaking down and analyzing the latest happenings that make the W so fascinating, featuring some of the best guests and experts from around the league. Tap in with us on the brand new Ringer WNBA show feed on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. Sheal Kapati here with my friend Stephen Ruiz and Nora Prenciotti. Normally we split up the midweek show, but we thought we're all here in L.A. together.

Why not just hang out together, Nora, how are we doing? I'm doing great. In studio with my friends? This is the best way to do a pod. Yeah. In person, we can yell at each other. We can interrupt each other. And we got breaking news again for, what is it, the fourth week in a row? Yeah. Something like that. So we got, I'm getting used to the West Coast time. I didn't know until someone actually broke the news to me. I didn't see it on Twitter. that DeAndre Hopkins is going from the Tennessee Titans

through the Kansas City Chiefs for conditional fourth did we decide? A fifth that can become a fourth. Yes. So there you go. Nora, when you found out the news this morning, what was your instant reaction to this move by the Chiefs? I mean,

just sort of, thank goodness they did something. Because it's this thing with the Chiefs where we watch the product on the field and we know that it's sort of underwhelming and it feels like they could really use someone. But there is that sense of like, oh, well, it's Mahomes.

They'll probably win the Super Bowl anyway. And you wonder if that sense has pervaded them enough where they would decline to do something like that. And there's been reports that they were, you know, sniffing around Cooper Cup, but it was a little too expensive. And I mean, I think this makes all the sense in the world. I think he can help them,

and he can especially help them December, January. Ruiz, you've been looking up the route charts and stuff two weeks ago about these are the types of throws that Patrick Mahomes is not able to make in this offensive. with this group, how much does this solve? You've had a lot of angst about this offense. How much does this solve some of the angst you have about this offense? It gives me more angst about Travis Kelsey, like the wide receiver they win for.

I feel like their skill sets are kind of redundant at this point. Like they're going to be that mid-range guy over the middle, make tough catches. But they needed that guy. They needed a second guy, especially if Kelsey isn't the guy he was last year in the playoffs. And if teams double-team them, they'll have a deterrent against that. Yeah, I mean, I think you can obviously line up Hopkins. on the outside. You can trust him more. You can throw to him when he's covered. He can make those contested catches, those one-on-one catches. But it's no given. He's 32 years old. He's, you know,

had some injuries. He has 15 catches for 173 yards on the season. Now, last year he had 75 catches for over 1,000 yards. There was sort of some reporting. I think Diana Rossini said that the Chiefs were looking at Cooper Cup, but ultimately went with Hopkins because I guess the Rams weren't willing to take on that money, nor do you think like, if you're a Chiefs fan, are you like, ah, I wish we kind of had Cooper Cup

instead of Hopkins, or do you feel like both of them are similar options? I think especially given the difference in the compensation, I would be pretty happy with this if I were a Chiefs fan because you're still thinking,

like you still have to think long term a little bit, right? And, you know, the issue this season is that they're without Rishi Rice, but you look further into the future if it was the difference between like a second for Cooper Cup

and a fifth that can become a fourth for Hopkins, I think that makes more sense for where they are as a team right now. Yeah, yeah, you don't need a mortgage the future. And with Cooper Cup, I feel like that would be a multi-year commitment to him. Otherwise, why are you training for a player? Because he's not DeAndre Hopkins. Hopkins is at that point in his career where he's almost like a mercenary. Like he's just going around team to team trying to fill a void.

I feel like Cup has a little more in him and left in his career. I have a take, though. Yeah. Enough of the conditional. Oh, I love it. You don't like a condition? No, just make a trade. Like, make a trade.

I don't like this. Like, oh, yeah, but what if we're wrong? Like, maybe we shouldn't have to give up this pick. No, I disagree. That shouldn't be a thing. Why should that be a thing? I won. Let's do conditional player picks.

Like, if I trade for Bryce Young, for instance, I'm the Panthers. I trade for Bryce Young and he stinks. And then Caleb Williams come along. I should be like, let me get Caleb Williams instead and you get Bryce Young. I don't mind. I think the condition sometimes, you know, if you're a fan base whose team stinks, if you get to something else to root for. I mean, it's good for content, you know, if you're out there and you cover the

Titans. Now you're looking out. DeAndre Hopkins, 80 yards. That fourth might be coming in our life. That sounds like you've been through that experience before with someone with a quarterback who had a snap count. I can't remember that was Wendz, right? That was the Wendz. See, I knew that you were able to. Well, I don't remember anything beyond, you know, what has happened this morning,

but you are right. Apparently the Eagles don't either. They made the same exact mistake with the different quarterback. So I'm looking at this Chiefs offense right now. They are seventh in DVOA, 12th in passing DVOA with Patrick Brickin Mahomes. And he is 15th in EPA per past place. So Nora, to your point, just felt like they had to do something. This might not solve all their problems.

This isn't the biggest swing, but it felt like they had to do something. So it hasn't happened yet. You know, maybe there'll be while we're on the pod, there'll be some weird thing that, no, Dandre Hopkins hates Missouri. I don't know, something like that. Maybe who knows, who knows what could happen. Or maybe there'll be a Cooper Cup trade while we're recording here. That would be exciting. I mean, maybe they'll double dip.

Yeah, maybe they'll get them both. But what we're going to do for the rest of the show is we came up with a series of questions together. That we just were together. Let's answer them. Let's get a little temperature check from each of us to see how we're feeling about some things happening in the NFL. And the first one, and we're going to write them on these whiteboards. So if you're listening right now and you're saying, I'm listening, what do you mean you're writing them on a whiteboard? We have a YouTube channel, Ringer NFL that you can go to.

You can watch this. You can see Stephen was telling us about his handwriting. and he looks like a serial killer so I want to see that. You let that some key words there. So my handwriting looks like the handwriting of a serial killer. I wasn't saying I look like a serial killer.

I do not serial kill. Listen, sometimes, you know, I misunderstand. Yeah. My comprehension. The people listening might have an advantage over the people looking at my handwriting, to be honest with you. Okay.

Well, if you want to see it anyway, you go to Ringer NFL on YouTube, we're going to write our answers on whiteboards, but we will also say them out loud for those of you listening. Is everyone ready? I'm excited. I'm ready.

I was telling Nora, the only thing on the whiteboard that Capadia household is who not to bet on for the Masters because my daughter's like, why did we take Tony Fienow again this year? So for now next year, we know don't bet on Tony Fienow. Raising him right. Starting him on. There you go. All right. So the first question, because he's not traded as of this recording, is where should Cooper Cup get traded?

Where should Cooper Cup get traded? We are writing down our. I didn't think about this part that when we're writing, you know, we can't just be totally silent for the audio listeners. I'll figure it out. Actually, my handwriting's pretty good. Okay, you're feeling good. You're having a strong one. All right.

On three, we pointed towards the camera. One, two, three. All right. We've got Stephen Ruiz says the Los Angeles Chargers, Nor I can't see. Where is it? Bucks, I guess. She's not that excited about it. And I've got the Washington commanders.

That was exhilarating. Yeah. Feel the heartbeat up a little bit? Yeah, I'm most exciting part of my text. I love props. All right, I'm just getting word that, you know, if you're watching on YouTube, I couldn't have written any smaller The Commanders on my whiteboard. Learning experience from me.

Next one is going to be giant. I wrote mine small at first, but mid-writing, I realized that problem. I was a step ahead of you, Sheel. I love it. I'll be better. But Ruiz, go ahead. See, Los Angeles Chargers. I mean, this is just for the sake of Justin Herbert.

I think at a certain point, you have to prove that you're providing something to your franchise quarterback, and I don't think there's been any point in time during his career in Los Angeles that they've done that. Whether it's the offensive coordinator hires, going from Kellynne Moore, Joe Lombardi, Kellynne Moore, to Greg Roman, the receiving court right now is just untenable. The receivers he was throwing to on Monday night, I know he threw for 300 still, but it could have been 400 with all those drops. And I think it's convenient that they happen to, you know, share a city with the team. He doesn't have to move. He doesn't have to move. I think he would like that. The chargers have caps.

space after they're eating their vegetables during this off season where I thought they needed to eat their vegetables. I think it just makes sense. And I think he would be a long-term solution to a problem that they clearly have. But he's 31 years old, long-term solution. Like how it's, I mean, he's been injured. He hasn't played this year. I don't know. I don't know about that. Like, if I'm them, I would be on the fence. I hear what you're saying. But I would kind of be like, do we want to give anything up? We're not winning any. To me, CUP seems more like, are you going for something this year? And it could be that they're just like, hey, we're competitive, we want to make the playoffs, that would be fine.

There's something to be said about that. I don't know that he solves their long-term problem. Yeah, they are three and three. I think they can go either way now. I don't think like that wild card race in the HFC, it's the Steelers, the Colts, and the Broncos. You could win. Like, Bo Nix is holding onto a playoff spot right now.

You can get into the playoffs. And this is a franchise that needs something. Yeah, there's value in that. Show something to their fans. I hear you. Okay. All right. Nor, you've got the bucks, I guess.

You rewrote yours in a large writing. Much fair. Yeah, much. Just to embarrass you. Good job by you. I was thinking, I don't know if I should do. The next one as a joke, now I'm saying it out loud, but what if I wrote it even smaller?

You know, like to do it a bit. But anyway, all right, Nora, the Tampa Bay Bucks, why? Well, so here's the thing. I mean, we talk about if you're competing for something, even if it's not necessarily a Super Bowl this year. And I think the bucks are in that position. They're tied at the top of the NFC South. And obviously, given the Evans and Godwin injuries,

that wide receiver room is pretty gutted right now. So that's why the Bucks. The YVie, I guess, is that to your same point, I think, with the Chargers, do I want to be in the business right now of trading like a second round pick and taking on the next couple of years at like 20 million bucks a year in salary for, what, a 30, 31 going on 32 year old Cooper Cup who's had some injury issues? I just, I am not sure I want to be the team that trades for Cooper Cup. but given the situation with the injuries that they've had a receiver, I guess I think it would make the most sense for Tampa. Yeah, it's similar to what Ruiz was saying sometimes. You just try to make the playoffs and have a good season and reward your fan bit.

I also, I know they're asking for a second, you know, I don't think. I don't think it'll end up being, though. Usually receivers this age, again, having injury issues, awesome player when he's healthy. Everybody loves watching Cooper Cup. But at this stage, usually that doesn't happen where you get a second round pick. But it makes sense. just got crushed by injuries last week.

And Liam Cohen used to coach with the Rams. He coaches the Big Bay offense. Yeah. Yeah, seamless transition for him. Familiarity. I've got a team that's probably in a similar boat, the Washington commanders. You know, they're not going to win the Super Bowl this year.

But for a fan base that's been beaten down year after year with horrible ownership, they have a fun offense. And their second leading wide receiver right now is Noah Brown on this football team behind Terry McLaren. And to Ruiz's point, I feel like he was about to make this point. Anyone can go in there and learn that offense in 24 hours. They're not doing anything. They have like five pass. Especially a veteran receiver. Yeah. Yeah. So it should be a smooth transition. It gives you another veteran pass catcher. They went overboard in the offseason like,

let's add veterans for the culture. And I shouldn't say overboard. Maybe it's working. I don't know. But this is another guy where you have him around other players. It seems like it would be a good thing. So I've got the commanders. So he would just replace Luke McCaffrey as the white slot receiver. Oh, yeah. A little little, you know, we could read the stories. They're having breakfast together at 4 a.m. You know, just he's showing each other's sentences. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, who knows, you know, you need a little depth there.

And again, Noah Brown is their second leading wide receiver. All right, so those are the three teams we picked out for Cooper Cup. All right. Next question, pick a sleeper MVP. We have to define sleeper here. So we're taking the three favorites out of it. The favorites right now are Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen. So take those guys out of it.

who do you think will win the MVP this year? I am trying to write in a very big font. It's so much erasing to do. This is not good. Now I feel like I'm the one who's going to look like a serial killer. Here, they have weird spacing in between my letters. I know from elementary school, you want the index finger in between the letters. Is that a thing?

I think that's a thing. I never learned that. That's why my handwriting so bad. I might have just made that up. At some point, I transitioned into all caps. during writing out this person's name. Yeah, I just had an issue where I was wondering if I should do that or not.

We do not know how to read or write on this podcast. I'm not having any issues. So far, us to our disaster with this. All right, one, two, three. Who do you got? Oh, no. Oh, no. Terrible.

What are we doing? This is bad content. Jordan Love. We each have the same person, which means bad things probably for this person. Ruiz. Why did you go with Jordan Love? I mean, I think he had the counting stats already.

And I'm pretty sure he went in. After Sunday, he was tied for the league lead and touchdown passes with Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield passed him on Monday. But I think when you add that in, when you have the counting stats, which I think will appeal to the general voter. And I think by the end of this, I don't want to spoil our next pick because we're picking who's winning the NFC North, but I guess I just did. I think he's going to have one of the better records in the NFC.

I think the stats are going to be the counting stats. And I think over the second half of the season, when the floor figures out the right buttons to push with this offense, the efficiency numbers are going to be the advanced metrics to get the nerds on his side. So I think it's just, I mean, Lamar's going to win this award. He's going to have 4,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards. He's playing like this, yes. So that's the pick. But we had to pick outside of those, that big three. And I think Jordan Love is the guy with the talent.

And I think the narrative to, if there is voter fatigue with Lamar, I think that's the guy that would get the votes, especially if they end with like a 12 and five. Nora, were you deciding between love and someone else? Or was this kind of like, no, he stands out more than everyone. He stands out more than everyone. I think, I mean, they've won three in a row. Seems like they're starting to heat up a little bit. I'm going to have a little bit of, well, I don't want to spoil. But I have a Packer'sy list of answers to questions here.

So I'm feeling good about them. The other people, I mean, you guys mention it. Just the highs are so high with Jordan Love that I feel like the interceptions. We've seen him not throw interceptions before. And so if he cleans some of that stuff up, the rest of the season, like you said, the counting numbers are going to be there. He's throwing for a lot of yards, a lot of touchdowns. And I feel like they have a chance to have team success. I thought about a few others here.

CJ Stroud, I thought about, even though now you would say, the nerds right now are just like, you know, punching their laptops or turned on him. Yeah, throw in their phones or whatever. But they're five and two. And so we know this award usually just goes to a quarterback whose team has a great record. And so if he starts to play better, not play better. numbers start to look better and they keep winning games. Nico Collins comes back. I could see him.

Jade and Daniels, if you just look at it statistically. But then I was like, is a rookie really going to win the MVP here? I know, but if we're quasi like manifesting in addition to predicting here. Yeah. Jade and Daniels is like,

I would kind of want to think about going there. But I'm with you. It would be a fun season if he wins rookie of the year. But I think it's going to be hard. I think people will like look at Marcus Marriott and what he did, especially if he, I don't know if he's going to play again this season, but if he has another game like that,

it will be like, oh, well, Marcus Marriota did it in the same. And then when I say people, I mean me. Okay, okay. Now I want Jaden Daniels to take his time because so much overreaction to one Marcus Marioita game against the Carolina freaking Panthers. Give me a three-game sample and then let's revisit this. Maybe I'll be wrong still,

but then let's revisit this conversation. It's not going to look the same. The three-game sample you were giving Jaden Daniels the MVP after week two. I was ahead of the curve. Now we're going to be ahead of the take. That's the content game here. All right? That's what I'm doing.

So I almost want Mario to play more so that you can say it's not. Cliff Kingsbury is not developing a quarterback proof system. The quarterback has to be good. Maybe I'll be wrong. I was wrong last week, but I want a bigger sample. And then we have to give a mention to Jared Gough. I mean, they're five and one. They have a chance to have the best record in the NFC.

The nerds, I can already see Ruiz and the nerds having battles over this. because Nora, Jared Goff right now, fifth in EPA per pass play, first in success rate, but Ruiz will be pushing back. I can look at his eyes. I'm already mad. I'm already mad. Okay, he's already mad, but that's the other guy I had to mention. All right, those were our sleepers for MVP.

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We're back on the Ringer NFL show. Next question. Who is winning the NFC? I've got to get the eraser. North. That's the thing. You know, you asked me to write in bigger letters. The erasing process has taken a lot of time here. So I had to do that. Now I'm going all caps like Cruy, switch it up a little bit.

Show that you can't put me in a box here with my handwriting. All right, there we go. I think that's big enough. I've got mine down here. Who is winning the NFC North right now? Lions are five and one. Packers are five and two. Vikings are five and one and the bears are four and two.

Is everyone really? ready. I'm ready. All right. One, two, three. We've got Packers for Ruiz, Packers for Nora, and I've got the Detroit Lions. All right. Make the case, Nora Princiotti. Why did you pick the Green Bay Packers? I feel like there's this thing going on with the Packers where last year, the only thing that we talked about with the Packers was how fucking young they are. Sorry, I don't know why I just swore there. I was like, I was a racing. I was really intense. I was like really, really intense. If you would have just thrown your laptop at my head or something, like, geez, it's just the

energy. It just like came over me. I don't know, man. I'm going to start adding curse words to my answers on the board. Is that fine? I'm like usually not a big swear on the pod person, but that just really, really like took over. Amazing. Moment of the pod.

It's very passionate about snapping-ated age. I think it's like that the whiteboard has me on edge. So there's a little bit of an edginess that's coming out. they're only a year older. I feel like it's been completely forgotten that this is the super, super young and developing team. You, Sheel, love to say, development is not linear.

There's a little bit of an up and down thing that happens. And I just think by the end of the season, we're going to see some of that development take hold with this team. The other thing is I just, I believe in the quarterback, particularly cold weather, late season, tough situations, and I'd rather ride with them. Yeah, no, you're right. It's a great point.

It's just like year one, it's like, oh, they're young. They're going to be better. And in year two, you just totally forget. Well, it's still year two for all of these guys. So, no, it is a good point. Ruiz, why do you have them over the rest of them? For similar reasons, I feel like this, like, coaching tree, which Matt LaFleur is a part of,

used the regular season as a way of like kind of ramping up for the playoffs. And I think we've seen them ramp up over the first half of the season. And it kind of happened last year. Maybe I'm just seeing that pattern and hoping it repeats itself. But I really think this is going to be the best team in the NFC over the second half. And I think we've seen signs of that. If Jordan Love just starts stops throwing the ball away and they stop fumbling punt returns and they stopped missing field goals, I think, I mean, they could have been five and one at this point right now or six and one. Which also is like, you know what young football players do is they act like both.

sometimes. And this is a team full of bozo. They all have that bozo. They all have that bozo. Makes them very entertaining. I have the lions because I just look at the different units in the NFC North, and their offense to me is the most reliable unit in the NFC North. I mean, maybe this is a recency bias from what they did.

But if they're doing that against the Minnesota Vikings, and I have a lot of trust in Ben Johnson and the offensive line. Now, a lot of these things apply to the Packers. I like the Packers a lot, too, for sure. their remaining schedule strength, it's pretty similar. They actually both have very difficult schedules. Part of that is playing in the NFC North, but the Lions have the second hardest remaining schedule,

according to the betting markets. Packers have the third hardest remaining schedule. Vikings have the 10th hardest and the Bears. This is going under the radar. They have the hardest remaining schedule in the entire NFL, and they've had one of the easiest schedules so far. So they're four and two, it's going to be interesting to see if they're able to continue the way they're playing.

Honestly, I think the difference between these two teams, Detroit and Green Bay, is I have more confidence in Green Bay's defense now, and that's not something I thought I would say coming into. Like, Halfley, I'm a believer at this point, and it's not like he's doing anything that, you know, anything groundbreaking. It's just like he's replacement level. And they haven't had that for so long. So I think that's a big factor. I trust their defense more. And if you look at like the components of the offense, I trust the Packers' Offensive Line more. Really?

Oh, no, not the offensive. The receiving core. It's deeper. There are more pieces. like we don't need, we're not banking on James and Williams being a guy. If Jameson Williams isn't a guy in the playoffs, that's not a very good receiving core. I do think that the quarterback is better also. I think the quarterback is better when the environment isn't ideal, which is a key point,

especially in the playoffs when you're playing the best defenses in the conference. Yeah, I think overall I would take love over golf how they're playing. You're right, how they're playing right now in the environment. I don't think that there's, I mean, golf is just going through these. games. I made the joy. It's like third quarter golf, 17 for 17. It's like, wait, didn't this just happen last week? So you're, I mean, last week I do think was a good example. And we talked about on the Sunday night show where it was a little rocky, things weren't perfect. And now he did have a fumble that wasn't recovered. He had that other one where his arms getting hit.

And I don't know how he stepped up and didn't lose it. But I don't know with their offensive line and run game, that's going to, that can work every single week for them, it seems like. But the Packers run game has been sure. It's true. They're both very good. They don't have the offensive line, but I don't think the gap is like huge. Yeah. I think Detroit has the best offensive line in the league. I think the Packers have a good offensive line and a good run game. I agree with that.

How it functions in the offense, it's the gap is narrow. Yeah. I don't see any obvious cold weather games or snow games for golf late in the season on the schedule. No, I know. Yeah. Two all season, right, or whatever it was. So their schedule shapes. Now, Vikings fans are going to be upset.

They're five in one, Nora. What is our? See, you got to watch on YouTube. All right, you still got the F bomb on audio, but the look she just gave to Vikings fans. That was a silent F word. Yeah, that was a silent F word. What is our collective response to none of us picking the Vikings

despite the fact that they're 5 and 1? Because we've watched this team, which is a really, really admirable team that's, I think, overperforming because they have really, really good coaching and a lot of things are coming together for them. But I just, I think there are, I think there's one very complete,

at least, especially on offense, team in this division, which is the Lions. And then there is a team that has, I think, a little bit more at the quarterback position, particularly if things sort of all gelled together. Some of the mistakes go away. And I just think both of those teams have a higher ceiling than the Vikings really on both sides of the ball because I think they do defensively win with scheme more than they win with talent. Right. I think there's an expiration date when you win with scheme. Like at a certain point, you have to have. Kind of saw that last year, right, a little bit towards the end of the season for the Vikings.

Yeah, they had the best defense over the first seven weeks of the season. Like, how often does that happen where the best defense in the first half is the best defense in the second half? It's not one of those things that usually correlates. It's just like the Vikings are an amazing, the Vikings are the most overachieving. No doubt. Coach of the year. Coach of the year. Coaching staff of the years.

If you're a Vikings fan, I think you should be thrilled with what's happening right now. But I just, again, when we talk about playoffs, when we talk about winning the division, we're talking about a team ceiling. And both of these teams, I think I have a higher team. ceiling in Minnesota. Yeah, I mean, listen, they were competitive last week in that football game. That came down to the last, what, four minutes of the game. So it's not like there was maybe a monster gap, but I think our collective trust factor for the other teams over the Vikings, I think it's fair.

We haven't said his name yet. Sam Darnel. We could have just said Sam Darnold and moved on. That's why. You could have just written that on the whiteboard. Speaking of having a little bit of bozo in him. All right. With love, with love.

He is the bozo. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right. Next question. You get to redo your Super Bowl pick. Do you guys, what were your, Ruiz? You had the Ravens over the Packers. Okay. What did you have? Nora, do you remember your pre? I had the Chiefs over the Packers. Okay. I had the Bengals over the Packers. Still alive. Still alive. Settle down everybody. They're still alive. All right. So we get to redo our Super Bowl picks right now. This one I'm kind of deciding on the fly. I'm just going to go with what I actually think here. This is not a team content. play for me. I'm going with what I actually think is going to happen. I'm kind of disappointed in myself, but what are you going to do? All right. Now I'm paranoid about my font size, but that's okay. Hopefully you can read this. My handwriting. You did this to yourself. My handwriting's starting to fall off. I know. Me too. I'm getting exposed over a larger sample size. Is this like your three beers

deep now writing down your Super Bowl pick here? So go. Nora's doing something. Is she drawing the table? Are you writing down all the rosters or something? Okay. All right. One, two, three. Hold them up. No changes.

All right. Ruiz is sticking Ravens over Packers. Nor is going Ravens over Packers. I'm going Chiefs over Packers. Wow. You're stealing my tape. I actually, yeah. So, all right.

So I'll start. So we talk so much about the, you know, the limitations or how the Chiefs offense hasn't looked the same. To me, they are still the most complete team. in the NFL. Their defense is awesome. They're playing great. They can win games for them even when the offense isn't working. Their special teams are awesome. They can win that way. And to Ruiz's point about the Vikings defense, like, I think the Chiefs offense, there's a pretty good chance that it figures some stuff out. I mean, they've had bad turnovers. Their success rate is still good.

It doesn't look how I would prefer them to look. I want them to get back to a highlight Patrick Mahomes's great physical traits. But it's not like it's a disaster. Like they're still going to win games. they're still going to be a pain to defend every week. And so I feel like they're 6 in O right now. Every other team in the AFC has two losses. They're going to get home field advantage unless they get a big injury. Is Patrick Mahomes going to lose at home in the playoffs? So that's why I don't like picking the Chiefs for stuff, honestly, because it's not fun.

But I'm like, here, who do I feel best about? And I went with the chiefs. It's fine. We're the idiots. Not you. You're the smart one. No, I already feel bad about this. Like, I hate it.

The Ravens are going to score 14 points at Arrowhead and get, demolished. No, but the reason... So why will this year be different for the... I mean, that's the question, because they've had great regular seasons before. Because I think the Ravens were the better team last year. They just kind of got unlucky in the AFC title game.

I do think a change of venue will be a tougher challenge for them. Going to Arrowhead is always a tough challenge in January. But the way Lamar Jackson is playing right now, he's better than Patrick Mahomes right now. I don't think it's controversial to say that he is in full control of the offense. And I think the offense is going to continue to get better. We're in what year seven of Mahom's? Holmes and Reed, we're in year two of Monkin and Lamar.

And Lamar seems to be getting the keys. He seems to be taking more ownership by the week of the offense. I don't know what this is going to look like in December. It could go the other way. It could be bad. We've seen that before. We've seen Lamar Jackson get hurt late in the season. But right now, I think that offense has such a high ceiling and it already has a high

floor. And then on the defensive side, we haven't seen this defense play well yet. Like put together a full game where they play well, secondary front seven. And we saw that in the first year of Mike McDonald being the DC of that team. They have a first year at D.C. and Zach O'R. I think it will get better over the second half. And I think by December, it will be a consensus. This is the best team in the NFL.

Now, January is always a different story with this team, and there'll be questions to answer. But I do think going in, they're going to be the most complete team, and I think they're going to have a record comparable. We've seen the Ravens go through disappointing playoffs before. Certainly, we've seen the matchup with Kansas City. But what they haven't had in those years is Derek Henry. And I do think that just the experience of having to tackle that guy,

like it's something that's been talked to death, but late in the season, cold weather, feeling, it's just the type of thing that feels like it could make a difference in one of those games. Yeah, their offense has never looked better than this. I mean, and Lamar's never, I agree with you. I don't think that's controversial. If you look at the first seven weeks of the season, Lamar Jackson has played better than any other quarterback in the NFL.

Like, I mean, again, I don't think that's a, Hot take. I don't think that's like, oh, my God, they're doubt. No, Mahomes, if I had to pick one for the rest of their careers or a game in January, I'm picking Mahomes. But if we're looking at who has played better so far this season, I'm going with Lamar Jackson. And also their defense, there is some. I saw Aaron Schatz like tweeting about this. They're like, DVOA is better, not to get too nerdy, but then they're counting stats because they've played a really hard schedule of opposing offenses. So it could be a combination of the two. You get some easier opponents there the rest of the way.

You start feeling more settled with the new defensive coordinator. Maybe some health stuff goes your way that I could see a scenario where this, this defense starts to play. But I don't trust them right now, to your point. I don't trust their defense as much as I do. The Chief's defense, that's why I like the chiefs better. They have so many different ways to play on offense now.

And, like, that was the goal in hiring Monkin. Like, Harbaugh said that at his press conference when he first got introduced. Like, we need different ways to play football. Because when they had Greg Roman, it was just like, we're going to run the football. We're going to load up the box with block. And if that doesn't work, then, oh, shit, we don't have anything else to do. And last year it was better, but I don't think they had, they didn't have Derek Henry. I think that's the best point is they have a guy where they can go under center and run the

ball, and it's the best run game in the NFL. That wasn't the case last year. Lamar had to be involved for the run game to be effective. That's no longer the case. Lamar had to be involved for the run game to produce explosive plays. Definitely not the case anymore. So can you just picture him, like, breaking a 60-yard run that sets up a touchdown and it's at Arrowhead and everyone's screaming and it's cold.

I just, I feel in my bones that's going to happen. Austin, Gail on Monday asked us, like, how much money would it cost for us to tackle Derek Henry one-on-one? Yeah. And he said he would do it for $100. I don't know if I would do it for $100. But there are NFL players, like, when you're watching them play that are turning down the opportunity to tackle them, they're getting paid millions of dollars to do it.

Like, it's a guy that, it hurts to tackle him. Austin also asked me the other day how much money it would take for me to jump through a table in Buffalo. I think there is an epidemic of like our colleagues lowering their self-worth to just like physically harm themselves or put themselves in harm's way. We need to work on this. We're all here in Los Angeles together.

We need a new all hands meet. I think you're looking at this the wrong way actually. We should try to get Austin to do something. For not a lot of, we can pull our more 33 bucks each. You can get someone else to chip in another dollar. We can get Austin to tackle Derek Henry. Now I'm thinking

about my own involvement because I was groped into both these conversations, and your reaction is the right one, I started asking follow-up questions. I go, well, am I going head on with Henry? Is this Oklahoma drill or can I come from the side? If I'm, you know, trying to fake a tackle from the side, who's judging whether I'm giving full effort? And you said Mike Tomlin, where I go, then I'm out because he's going to know I'm making a business decision right away. And for the table, I was like, what am I jumping off of? How high up is it? So I feel involved. I just want to say, you know, so that's a bad job by me. Choose between the two, table or Derek Henry?

Table or what's the height? Like the tailgate videos we see? Yeah, yeah. And do they land on their feet? How do they do it? And it breaks the table? You're really overthinking this. It's very simple.

All right? It's the table, right? Yeah, it's the table. Okay. I don't like heights, though. I don't be too high. I could fake a Derek Henry tackle, maybe. I can't convince Mike Tomlin.

I could convince someone else. I don't think you could fake Derek. I don't know what that. You could walk. What was the thing? You can look into a home run. I jump at his feet. It doesn't say I have to tackle Derek.

Henry have to try to attack. Who's judging? No, no one is expecting you to tackle. Derek Henry. He's picturing me holding onto his leg and he's dragging me to the end. So I'm like a four-year-old. It could make for some good content. Maybe we tried to make that happen. And you get a hundred bucks in your pocket. And I get a hundred bucks. All right. Next, wait, do we have to, now we all did pick the Packers. I was deciding between the Packers and Lions before the season and I was deciding between the Packers and the Lions for this exercise. Was there another team you guys were just? siding between. No, I think the lions are the threat. And it comes back to, I don't trust the quarterback. If there's pressure on the pocket and he has to move, I still don't trust them.

What would it take? You've got to do it in like a playoff run type of. I can't think of something that wouldn't get him suspended for four games. Okay, there you go. All right, next question here. Predict the Jets final record. They are two and five right now. The only teams in the AFC, with a worse record than the New York Jets are the Titans, the Browns, and the Patriots. They have a plus 250 odds to make the playoffs that gives them a 29% chance to make the playoffs. So predict the Jets final record.

Jets players don't read this. Your quarterback said you can't pay attention to the noise, to the media. Now, you guys started writing before me and are still writing. This is number dash number. What's going on here? Nuanced analysis.

Okay. Nuance analysis. All right. Is Nora ready? She's still ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.

One, two, three. All right. We've got Ruiz says six and 11 with an asterisk that says five, 11 and one with Randall Cobb. If they bring in one more Rogers friend, I was trying to think about it. It doesn't have to be Randall Cobb. It could be Bakhtiari. It could be any of the guys.

Okay. Nora says six and 11. I tried to draw you being like dragged by Derek Henry. Okay, very good. That's a framer. All right, I want a photo with that after the show. I just don't have anything to do with the Jets. It's fantastic.

All right, so we, none of us think that the Jets are going to turn this thing around. I think each acquisition of one of his friends adds a half a win. That's why I went with 5.11 and 1. I think there's still another move they're going to make. Wait, or subtracts half a win. It adds a loss. Add a loss.

Oh, yeah. I went the other way. I can't do math. I can't read it right or subtract. What did you mean to do? I should have went to a different college. Okay. That's what I'm getting out of this.

No, six and 11 is what they're going to be. That's the type of team they are. I had high hopes for this team, but it was based on the idea that this receiving court would be complete and be whole and be good. And Mike Williams hasn't been what he was in Los Angeles. I think Garrett Wilson has kind of been a disappointment to me. There's been some drops.

There's been some questionable routes. And then Aaron Rogers, I just, don't think he has, he doesn't have it in him to do this week to week. Like there are like throws every 10 throws where it's like, oh, that looks like 20-21 Aaron Rogers. That looks like MVP Aaron Rogers. But then the next play is like that looks like I just came off a darkness retreat, Aaron Rogers.

And we're seeing way more of that. And as the season goes on, we're seeing more of that than we are of the old flashes. The other thing about this team is their defense has been a massive disappointment. I mean, you can look at it statistically. They're 21st in both offensive and defensive. defensive DVOA. It's like the offense you were hoping would be kind of mediocre.

They haven't been quite that, but it hasn't been a complete, the defense I thought was going to be a top five unit. And they've been the more underachieving unit, more of the Jets so far this season. So yeah, it's hard to get to that formula that we thought might work. It's hard to get there when they're playing this way.

I also just think that this is a team where you worry about the darkness settling it. Like Rogers is now, he's on the injury report with knee, ankle, now hamstring just got added to that. By the way, whatever he's doing, it's working. It's killing it. His alternative medicine.

It's really working, man. Keep on that track. I mean, it's on some level, like, he's getting hit a lot. And he's taking a beating, and it's starting to show up on the injury report. He's, like, talked about it in the pressers where he's like, I'm just, my body really hurts. The vibes are tough. Yeah, I feel him.

I didn't get, we had an early recording time. I didn't get to do my stretching in the hotel room. My knees are tight. My neck looking at, like, I'm nervous. You know, you might not be seeing the same version of me this afternoon. If you have a bad potty, you could blame it on the knees. You could blame it on chemistry with the team. I don't think Aaron Rogers would want to tackle Derek Henry right now.

Yeah, that's true. I would stretch first before I did it, so I'd be fine. All right. Next one we're predicting here. Predict the Chief's final record. So as we mentioned before, they are 6 and 0. every other team in the AFC has it lose at least two losses.

What is this final record going to look like for the Kansas City Chiefs? I believe they're over under at the beginning of the season was 11 and a half, I want to say, and they go over that number pretty much every season with Andy Reid.

I think only once in Andy Reid's chief's career had they not gone over it. It looks like they're going to go over it again. But how many wins are they going to pile up? One, two, three, white, white boards are up. Ruiz has 15 and 2. Nora has 13 and 4. I have 14 and 3. Ruiz, you were bullied. You had this preseason. I did. You had them winning 15 games. Now, I think you thought it was going to look different.

You thought the offense had a chance to be more explosive, but still, you were very bullish on them. And now you think they're going to be only lose two games the rest of the way. Yeah, I mean, you look at their schedule. They're not playing any top offenses for the rest of the year. Fourth easiest schedule in the NFL. according to the betting markets, which is wild. Except for the bills. And that's the game that I think they're going to actually lose. I think the week 18 game is going to be,

we're sitting all our starters and we lose the boat nicks. If that happens, then who cares? It's not going to affect our seating. The defense is just so good and so reliable week to week that even if the offense continues like this, I think they can stumble to 15 wins, which is crazy to say. But when you have a quarterback who does just enough every week, then as long as you have a top defense and you have an easy, easy schedule. I don't see a game on their schedule that they're going to lose.

Like the bucks, not now, the Broncos, the Panthers, the Raiders, the Chargers, the Browns. The Texans are a tough one, but that offense is so bad. And I think this Spagnolo defense matches up so well with the Shanahan offense that that's just going to be a terrible matchup for this Texans. And you're giving them, like, there's two, you know, two potential loss. Like, even if you have that random weird loss to the Raiders, you lose to the Texans and the bills, you're still 14 and 3, but Nora, you have them 13 and 4. I just, they don't look good. Yeah.

They don't. They just don't look good. Okay, so Week 18 is sort of a freebie. I do think right now, bills look like a better football team. So if they lose that game, and then, you know, random loss, and then maybe it's the Texans or something like that. I just, when I watch this team, that feels like the product that. they're putting out there. And I'm taking this as an exercise, since, of course, we're all friends here and we're

not broadcasting any of this to just say that this is what my eyes feel like they're seeing. I think that week 17 game at Pittsburgh could be that random loss. Mike Tomlin. At home dog. Yeah. I don't know who's going to be the quarterback, but I don't think it matters. I don't think it makes a difference. But, yeah, they do have a dumb loss in them coming up because they have, like, escape those losses so far.

that Falcons game should have been a dumb loss, and it didn't turn into a dumb loss. The Ravens game in the opener, that could have been a loss easily, and it didn't turn into a loss. So they do have some one-score game regression coming for them. Their first four games, I mean, their first four games,

they won by a combined 20 points. I think I remember looking it up at the time that no, like for a four-and-o team, I think it was the lowest point differential of whatever. The last 10 years, now the last two games they have blown out the Saints, and that was a good win against the 49ers. for everything where, you know, you go to San Francisco and you win by 10 points.

Why doesn't these bags have a coaching trait? Like, why is this not the defense that everyone's trying to be like, let's go grab some of their assistance? It's weird because as you were describing it, I'm just like, whether they're playing a great quarterback, a mediocre quarterback, or a bad quarterback, the defense almost always shows up. It's not going to happen every time. Obviously, there are some exceptions.

But, man, they've had different personnel. It's not the most talented defense in the NFL. They develop young corners, which is really hard to do without spending. McDuffie, they spent it a high pick on. But, you know, the other guys were late round picks up front, you know, Chris Jones, Carloftus. But again, it's not like if you were just picking a defensive line, you would say, this is the best in the NFL. And yet here they are, where would they be the last two years without that defense playing like this?

They have like a unique way of developing secondary too. They really like have those guys move around and try different positions and playing different spots because you have to in this defense. That's why it works is because you never know where a guy's going to be. Like you could be a safety playing in a linebacker spot. You could be a corner, you could be a defensive end dropping to the deep half. So yeah, I think the way

they teach things is so unique. And it's not just the results. It's like the, like you said, development of players. Yeah. No, he's done an amazing job. All right. We'll take one more break. We've got two more questions to get to that are going to peek ahead a little bit to maybe my favorite time of the year.

The off season. We'll get to that when we come back. We are back on the Ringer NFL show. Bill Belichick spent his week just crushing Gerard Mayo and the Patriots. He can't help himself anymore. But the question becomes, will he be doing that next year or will he be coaching in the NFL? So the question is, where will Bill Belichick be coaching next year? Now that we didn't discuss this, but I guess you could say nowhere. If you don't think he's going to be coaching anywhere and you don't want to pick a team, you're allowed to do that. Otherwise, pick a team. Where is Bill Belichick coaching next year?

Or is he, where was he? Martha's Vineyard with the Taylor Swift hoodie on. Nantucket. Nantucket. Sorry. I mean, that's a classic like Philadelphia person just getting all those places mixed up. They all blend together. Can't be doing that in Massachusetts show.

I'm sorry. You're going to get some dunk into the face. My bad. Bad job by me. There. All right. I've got mine down. I know Ruiz had an answer for this a few weeks ago.

I'm wondering if he's going to stay. with it. One, two, three. All right. Ruiz has Jaguars. Nora has Newton High lax. So not getting back in the NFL. I've got the New York football

giants. All right, Ruiz, you've given your reasoning before, but remind the people, why do you think Bill Belichick in Jacksonville? I think the owner Shod Khan has kind of been escalating. Like, he started off with the no-name not no name, but Gus Bradley was a defensive coordinator.

I don't think everyone was clamoring for Gus Bradley. And then he goes with Doug Marone, who was an interim coach who, I guess, did well enough to win the job. Then he goes with a splash hire with Urban Meyer. And that doesn't work out. And I think he went with another splash hire by hiring a Super Bowl winning coach and Doug Peterson. But now I think he's going to go for a coach who can sustain success and at the NFL level. And the only answer is Bill Belichick. I don't think, like if you go with Ben Johnson, we haven't seen Ben Johnson.

coach without that offensive line. I think there are question marks about him. I think there are question marks about, I can't even think of any other possible candidates that I would put over Belichick in terms of trust in building a team and building a culture because that's what they need.

This locker room, the collection of talent isn't producing like it should. This team is better than it should be, worse than it should be. And I think Shot Khan has very high hopes for this team. He said it was the best collection that this players that this franchise has ever had.

And I do think Kahn is a guy that likes to make a splash. And I think that's the biggest splash you can possibly make. And I would trust them with Trevor Lawrence. I know what he did with Mack Jones is bad. But I think Mac Jones was just a bad player. He was destined to fail no matter what. If you get a guy who helped develop Tom Brady in the way that Bill Belichick did,

I think that's what Trevor Lawrence needs. Well, it would be McDaniels. It would be, I mean, Patricia would be doing something there. We know that. I think he's learned his lesson. There's no way, If he gets another job, there's no. He's with him right now doing content.

That's different than running a football team. I don't think he learned his lesson. No, no, no, no. You have Matt Patricia on your coaching staff. Yeah, 100%. Okay, Matt Patricia on my coaching staff is not Matt Patricia running as OC. I think McDaniels would be the, what's McDaniels doing this year? Is he doing like the John Greening thing somewhere?

I don't know. No, but Josh McDaniels, he's a bad head coach. That's been established. But he's a good offensive coordinator. Maybe a great offense. Maybe without Tom Brady. He got Mac Jones to the playoffs. That was, yes.

That was his one year of like seven years without Tom Brady where he produced an above average offense. I mean, the Rams, the Broncos, you look at all their number. I will push back on all the McDaniels stuff until I see him do it for a little bit longer. But maybe, you're right. It doesn't seem like he's doing anything. Okay. Well, maybe he's not interested in doing anything. Yeah, I was thinking about when you were going through the Jaguars hires,

I feel like Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie is responsible for a lot of this because when they hired Gus Bradley, the Eagles almost hired him instead of Chip Kelly the previous year, and it was reported that Shad Khan talked to Jeffrey Lurie and he's like, no, this guy was very impressive. And then Doug Peterson, I don't think that was a splash shot. That felt like we don't have anybody else. Remember, it was weird. They interviewed him.

They're looking at other guys. Then all of a sudden they bring him back. Yeah, the Left Witch thing, you're right. So not a splash hire, but like a guy with name recognition, he had won a Super Bowl. But they didn't go for a guy who had won multiple Super Bowl's and had proven that he can do it over time. I think that's what Belichick would be. It feels, because there especially, you're, you're guessing that they're getting rid of bulky and it's just, all right, you need a team that's going to know with Balke.

You never know, that's true. He's going to outlive us all. I know. When you said the thing about Shod Khan, that is the most talented, well, gee, I wonder who's whispering that into his ears. It's not my fault. The players are awesome there. So, all right, you've got Jacksonville. Nora, you think he's just, he's enjoying his life. No, I think he wants to coach. Oh, interesting. I think someone should hire Bill Belichick to be. clear. I think that there is a huge chasm between the way that we feel about this and fans and media talk about this and how NFL owners feel about Bill Belichick. I think that they're, I think they don't want to deal with it. And now it only takes one, but I think by and large that

group of people thinks that he is more trouble than he's worth. And it's hard for me to figure out what has necessarily changed in the last, or will have changed in the last year by the time we get to the coaching cycle again. Now, the one thing that I think could help his case is that we have very few, like, hot young coordinators who... It's not a big group this year. Yeah. And so then maybe someone ends up sort of feeling like it's worth it by default. But I think NFL owners, by and large, are really skeptical about Bill Belichick in a way that people don't sort of broadly recognize. You think he will settle for a high school lacrosse job, though? By the way, I just looked at Rutgers is one in four in

conference in lacrosse. I don't know who the coach is. I'm not trying to fire the coach. Jeez. Now you're firing on the cross. He has a weird affinity for Rutgers. So he could be there. Chiano's there.

His boy's there. I mean, he seems like he's enjoying what he's doing now. He goes to NFL films. He watches some film. He does some content. Talk shit about Gerard Mayo. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't seem to be living a bad life there.

He says that the lions are successful because of what Matt Patricia built there. Did he say that? He said that he was talking about like. the offensive line. He was like, I think you've got to give a lot of credit to Matt. Oh my God.

Now my blood's boiling over here. I mean, he was so bad that they were able to draft Sewell. So in a way. Yeah.

Your point is a good one, though. What has changed with the NFL teams in a year, their view of Bill Belichick? Is it just that, you know, like, I don't know.

They didn't want to do it last year. There were a lot of openings. He wanted a job. He thought he was getting a job and no one decided that this is the best guy. And really only one team

came close. And honestly, if, like, the media move was a way of him kind of, like, keeping his name out there to get hired the next year, John Gruden is eating him up. He's killing this. He's doing a way better job. I think John Gruden has a better chance of getting hired off of his media. Honestly, if you watch...

I'm not sure I agree with this. Well, yeah, because of some other situations. But if you watch his analysis, like, he does, like, hour-long breakdowns on games, and it's, like, clear that this guy, like, really is in tune with this stuff. And Billichick, I mean, he knows so much stuff, but like his takes are like hot takes. Yeah, or a little like pedestrian. Yeah. Yeah.

Anybody could have thought of that, Bill. I haven't watched a single. I mean, the Patricia take, though, that's, I would not have thought of that take. I don't think anybody would have thought of that take. That's team content. That's team content right there. I have not watched a piece of Groot. All I know is there's something with nicety going on.

I've not clicked on a video. Do I need to watch food? He's feeling nicie. He's feeling nicie is his thing? but you like his break. You actually find value in his breakdowns or no. I'm bringing up Austin Gale again. He's like, yeah, you should watch this.

All right. Jump through a table and get tackled by Derek Henry and watch John. Austin Gale, this is your intervention. No, no, but he does do like hour-long breakdowns outside of the NICEC segment. And, okay, so I watched the Ravens Bucks breakdown. It was like an hour long and he drew up this play for the Ravens. And I swear to God, they ran it on the first play at the game. Okay.

So he's like doing the Romo thing almost, like predicting the plays they're going to do. That's good coaching. Like I would want that in my, I wouldn't want John Gruden. I don't support John Gruden, but even with the Raiders with Derek, he was a good offensive coach.

John Gruden, good at offensive football. I think we can say that. Everything else. He's good at being offensive in general. Yeah, I would agree with that. All right. I had the Giants. It came down to the Jaguars and the Giants for me.

You know, they're in a bad spot, right? This could go side. sideways for them. Is there a nostalgia play? I was thinking if you're Belichick, all right, quarterback's an issue, but you have left tackle, you have edge, you have defensive tackle, you have wide receiver. Those as every other premium position, you have a good player at, like the cupboard's not, I'm not saying they've done a good job, but those are like pieces to work with NFC, you know, NFC East. There are some wins to be had there. So I don't know. I thought if they blow it up. I think it's a good pick because I think Belichick thinks differently. Like a lot of us

are like, oh, Trevor Lawrence. Every coach wants to coach him. he probably looks at Dexter Lawrence the same way. It's like, I'd rather coach this guy. And if you're the Giants in it, maybe you're, I don't know if it's going to be a bidding war where you're competing with other teams. Maybe it's Jacksonville is the other team. But you bring in Lawrence Taylor, Bill's signing on the spot. It's done.

Yeah. Like there was an NFL film thing. I think it was like 2010 where he went back to New York and he was kind of like walking around the facility. He was crying. Yeah. He got emotional. Yeah.

This is Bill Belichick. Like, that's the emotional attachment he has to this team. So I could see it happening. Yeah. Check's a lot of box. His emotional attachment. His career comes full-ser circle, the wins right.

You're going to be able to, you should be able to win there. We know the owner's going to be hands off because otherwise he would have told him to, he would have told Joe Shane, you're signing Sequin Parkley when he clearly wanted that. Nora, you look like you've got something to say. I just, I got a father-in-law to be who I would just love, love to see the reaction the day. The New York football giants sign Bill Belichick as their head coach. Would it be good or bad? It's just a lot of complicated feelings.

I mean, the giants, like the thing that they have had is, is the success over the Patriots and their cheaters and all that stuff. It would be an interesting day. Sounds like it would be good for ringer NFL content, too. Bring him on. We can pull up another chair here for next year's core week. So there you go. I've got the Giants.

All right. Last one. Who will be picking first in the 2025 draft? Right now, there are three one-win teams, the Patriots, the Panthers, and the Browns. Those are also the three. worst teams by DVOA, and then there are a bunch of two-win teams. The Jets, the Saints, the Jaguars, the Raiders, and the Giants, they all have two wins.

You know what? I'm pulling the last second change here with mine. I had a team written down. That's right. My mom calls it double-mind. You just, you know, you think one thing, you change your mind. She gave it to me. She gave me a lot of good qualities, but double-mind runs in the Capadia family.

I've got some triple mine sometimes. Yeah. Then we have that too. I should have written bigger. I wrote this one kind of small. Okay. That's okay. It's the last one.

It's not that small. All right. One, two, three. All right. Ruiz and Nora have the panthers. Ruiz says keep pounding. Three Pete. That would be three in a row, wouldn't it?

Has that ever happened before? No, they didn't earn the first one, though. We have to say that. That's right. They traded four. Okay, but it's still two in a row. It doesn't happen often. The Jaguires did a couple years ago,

but that's not where you don't want it. All right, I'm wrong. What do you want from me? Do you not know Panthers' lore? Have you not been paying attention to the Panthers? Struggling cat teams? Yeah. So the Panthers right now have a minus 133 point differential, which is 57 points worse than any other team.

So I think they are probably the obvious choice. Yeah, I think so. Part of me wanted to pick the Patriots because I do think that they really, like, as a team, They have that bozo in them. But I think Drake May gives enough hope that... There's no Drake May in Carolina. Yeah, they'll pull a couple of these out there. But I do think, you know, sorry, Stephen.

That's fine. That's good. Yeah, they have their pick this year. It's not good anymore. I don't care. I'm supposed to get excited about another first round pick at a certain point. It doesn't matter. That's like the people that care about draft capital too much.

Like, I want to just see them win nine games. Yeah. Give me nine. I don't need a Super Bowl. Just nine games, not three games. A reason to watch in mid-December. Yeah, they could have had Drake May in Carolina, but traded for it. A five-nine.

This would be another year, too, where that number one pick, there's not that. No brain your quarterback prospect. No, the Panthers, they would end up with, like, Shador Sanders somehow, and it would just somehow get worse. Okay. I mean, he's better than price, but. I was looking at it, and I just, I was looking at which team really sucks right now. And I thought the New Orleans Saints fits that category. They've got two wins.

I don't know. Maybe there's enough there. But their coach is bad. Their defense looks horrible. And who knows that they've got injuries at wide receiver, the quarterback situation. So they've got a much easier schedule. So I think they'll probably luck into at least a couple more wins here this season. But I thought for, I knew you two were going to pick the pants.

And I think there's a chance that team quits. Yeah. It's sort of feels like. I know they had, they were dealing with injuries. but the injuries could get worse. But I could see that happening. I think Rattler is honestly a better quarterback option than anything the Panthers have at the moment.

So I'm not sure. All right. We shall see who it's going to be. That was fun. How do we feel about the Ruiz? Good job by you. This was your idea of the whiteboards. Fantastic.

And my handwriting wasn't too bad. Yeah. Thanks to the FBI won't be on to me. Yeah, maybe. We'll see. Wait till people watch this. Thank you to Arjuna Ramgopal. Going to get before a 9 a.m.

recording going to get the whiteboards. Staples run for the team. Staples run in downtown L.A. Sorry, no free advertising. Yeah, oh yeah, grab a few whiteboards. Thank you to our producer Troy Farkas and Corey McConnell getting a set up. Show me a helmet over there that looks like it's got a pee on it.

You know, Dylan Panthers. I'm going to have to get a photo with myself in that before we're out of here. But this was fun. Appreciate Nora Prenciotti and Stephen Ruiz. We will be back later this week with the preview show. Thank you for everyone watching and listening. We'll talk to you next time on the Ring Your Ennacle Show.