The Ringer NFL Show - Steelers-Ravens and Five Coaches on the Hot Seat | The Ringer NFL Show

Episode Date: December 1, 2020

Ryan Shazier and Cole Wright are joined by The Ringer’s Kaelen Jones to discuss the COVID news surrounding the Pittsburgh Steelers–Baltimore Ravens game (3:40). Then they discuss five head coaches that are on the hot seat (19:40). Hosts: Ryan Shazier and Cole Wright Guest: Kaelen Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, what's up there, guys, Cole Wright, alongside my guy, Ryan Shazier, and our special guest, Kaylon Jones. And we're taking a look at all this COVID stuff circling around in the NFL from the Steelers Ravens Delays to the ugly quarterback situation in the Rockies of Denver, Colorado. And then later, we're going to take a look at the awful coaching that's going on league wide and who's on the hot seat. All that and more coming up next on the Tuesday edition of the Ringer NFL show. Today's episode of the Ringer NFL show on The Ringer podcast Network is brought to you by State Farm. Getting great car and home insurance from State Farm at a surprisingly great rate? Well, that's like drafting a player that becomes an all-pro, the real deal. State Farm agents provide personalized service so you can customize your insurance to fit your needs,

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And fellas, I haven't talked to you or seen you cats since Thanksgiving. So, Caleb, man, I'm going to start with you. How was your turkey day, man? It was pretty chill. Didn't have any turkey, but I had some mashed tails and mac cheese. It's pretty good. No, no turkey? Did not try to cook any turkey.

Okay. That's tried to stay away from. File Marshall Bill. Is that microwaveable Mac? No, I made mac and cheese for like the second time in my life. It came out all right. From scratch? Yeah, I ain't my grandma.

Yeah, I ain't my grandma, but. All right, that's good. Ryan, how about you, Ryan? I'm going to let you go first. I'm going to let you go first. Are you going to let me go first? Yeah. Oh, I mean, my Thanksgiving was fantastic.

I mean, I made a turkey from scratch. grew the turkey in my own backyard and everything. No, no, not really, but exactly, you know, but they had a deal on turkeys. You know, I cook my turkey with pineapple juice, pineapple juice and an assortment of fine seasonings. You keep pouring that pineapple juice over every half an hour, flip it over about halfway through. Most moist turkey you'll ever, you'll ever indulge in, Ryan Chazier. Well, the one part of my Thanksgiving was great.

You know, my mom and dad came in town. We had a great Thanksgiving. My mom always get a turkey from honey baked ham. It's kind of weird. It was honey baked ham, but they have turkeys. It's delicious. But it was really good. It was like a Cajun turkey.

Delicious. Some ham, you know, mac and cheese. We had baked beans. We had green bean casserole, corn pudding. Yeah, it was great. It was great. And then I watched one hideous football game. And then the other one was all right, but it was still pretty bad.

It was too pretty bad football games. And then I was expecting to watch another one, but they didn't fucking play. So that's my, that's my Thanksgiving. Yeah, that's going to lead us right into that one, the game that did not go down. But you said Cajun Turkey, and I'm still upset with Popeyes because I went and tried to get a Cajun turkey from Popeyes and nothing doing. But as Ryan drops those. Yeah, yeah.

You try to get turkey from Popeyes on Thanksgiving? No, I went a few days before. They were already all sold out. You have to go about a month and a half in advance. really want to get one of those Cajun turkeys. But that's here and nowhere there because we heard Ryan with all that adult language talking about that game that got postponed on Thanksgiving Day. And probably we hear all that emotion because it's his Pittsburgh Steelers.

Steelers and Ravens postponed not once, not twice, but thrice, Ryan. And now we're going to see it on a Wednesday afternoon just after the 3 o'clock hour on the East Coast, man. And then you want, hey, does everybody know why this game is at 3.40 p.m.? Please tell me why. I do. I know why. I know why. Kailel, you know what?

Yeah, because Christmas trees are more important than football. Oh, my gosh. So we are sacrificing football for Christmas trees out here. This is ridiculous, man. Like, the best team in the NFL, and I don't care what nobody says, I know Tyrookale had an amazing day, but they're unafeited.

So you have to go, they're the best team right now. The best team in the NFL had to change their game four times because some people don't want to follow the rules. You know, and it's just, to me, it's just frustrated, man. I was thinking about having a wonderful Christmas, Thanksgiving with my family, you know, the Steelers are going to play. It was going to be cool. I was going to have a little special at halftime.

It was kind of going to be cool. But I wasn't even worried about that. But I just wanted to see some great football still as Ravens. Now we're seeing them on a Wednesday. Like, this is worse than Mac football. Like, they're playing with people around work. Like, people in California, it's going to be, their lunchtime when we're playing football.

Like, this is crazy. Like, what's going on? Like, I just don't understand. I just don't understand. Don't hate because I have the day off and I will be watching that game in the middle of the day. I'm going to be watching it too. I'm going to be watching it. But like, imagine if you're a construction worker, you're like, man, I can't wait

until Sunday to watch this game. I'm a Stiller fan. And you work in California. And now you're like, damn, I got to work on this damn road. And I can't even watch this damn football game because they want to play it before some goddamn Christmas trees. Like, so this is all.

Like, I just don't understand. Like, I'm just so frustrated right now. And then I don't, I'm not frustrated really at the Ravens. I'm frustrated at just one guy. And I don't even know the coach's name, but I'm just so frustrated at him. Like, this is so irresponsible, you know. Like, I don't like wearing a mask.

And then I was on a plane with a guy who didn't like wearing a mask and he was complaining in the whole time. he was on a plane, but I think it was just because his breath stunk. But, but, like, but I was from House Party? Dragon breath. Dragon breath. But, like, and they, bro, like, you got to be serious, man.

Like, he just gave 23 people COVID. And then think about their families. Like, and then now we can't even play a football game. And then if we do play it, it's in the middle of the day when, when people are going to their little kids football practice. Like, what's going on? Like, this is crazy. Yeah, Steve Saunders, if I'm not mistaken.

taking, strength and conditioning coach for the Baltimore Ravens walking around the facility and mask list. That's something you just cannot do. And that's the reason why we've seen this game delayed, delayed, delayed. And, you know, you talk about the log jam. I mean, Kaelin, when you think about all the other teams that are going to be affected by this and we've seen it, there's going to be three games on Monday night football. Yeah.

So it's weird because, you know, like you mentioned, they're going to have the double header on Monday night. And then they literally, what, last minute, they pushed to Ravens and Cowboys. My mistake. My mistake. No, you're good. You're good. But I mean, that, but that's the thing.

I mean, the fact that we have to keep up with this is annoying, you know, in and of itself. It's weird because, you know, in October, you know, I remember reading from Mike Silver on NFL. Like, there was an article where he talked about how likely it was that week 18, that extra buffer week that the NFL was going to have to use was so likely of being used. And shout out to Mike Silver, too. There's probably going to be a week 18. But at the time, at the time it made sense because they're doing this on the fly. So at the time it made sense. Now, a month later, we're like completely pushing back.

The NFL was completely, you know, unwilling to utilize that extra week for whatever reason, money, whatever money's involved there. But it's just really strange because logically, you would think it just makes sense to, you know, add that extra week instead of having all this rearranging last minute. Because I don't know, I'm not an NFL player, Ryan, but I would assume it takes a little bit more than, you know, a week, not just a week, like three or four days where you're learning, like, who your opponent is going to be and how much practice time you're getting. I can't imagine, you know, at this point, it's going to be 10 days since the C-O-E

last play. So they got an additional buy week. So the thing that's so crazy is, right, when you prepare to play on a Thursday, you play Sunday, you know, then you have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, you know. So Sunday you play. You have Monday off or Tuesday off, but most people have Monday off for this short week. Do you have Tuesday, Wednesday? Tuesday and Wednesday, you're not wearing any pass

and you have a, like, you're, like, steaming through what you learn in for that week, you know, but the Steelers and Ravens already played so they kind of know each other. Now it's like, bro, I could have just been preparing like I'm playing y'all ass for a Monday night game. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're playing on Wednesday.

Like, like, you don't understand. Like, these guys stopped practicing last Wednesday and now they're playing Wednesday. Like you said, it's like another by week. And for a lot of guys, they really don't want to push it, that continue to push it back, because if you continue to push it back, and then I know one thing,

a lot of guys want to play. Because if the game gets canceled or the Ravens forfeit or anything, then that means guys aren't going to get paid. So you do your job, you know, maybe one or two people on your team get COVID. Okay, that's cool. You know, but the rest of us are, we're following the protocol.

We should still get paid. These guys over here aren't following the rules. now all my stuff is getting messed up. All my games are getting changed, you know. And now they're talking about it's a possibility if this game gets canceled that, you know, they push it back or it could be a 16-team playoff and the still is going to get a buy. It's just, it's too much going on over here.

And it's just, it's really frustrating to guys that's trying to play football. Like, imagine you done everything right. Obviously, this happens in the world. Like, this happened to me. I've done everything right. I got hurt. You know, things happen. But you do everything right.

And then you get your opportunity come up. Then they're like, oh, you can't play today. Well, wait to tomorrow. Up, you can't play tomorrow. Wait to tomorrow. What up? You can't play tomorrow. It's like, damn, when are we going to play?

Like, you're like, and it's really frustrating. And now, guys, everybody's just like, man, just suck it up, go play. And it's like, if you had a job and they're like, hey, I need you to come in and work at seven. You're like, all right, I'll be there at seven. At six o'clock, they're like, nope, I don't need you here. Go back tomorrow. But you're already at work.

You know what I'm saying? Like, it just, it keeps happening to these guys. And these guys, it's just, at a day, it's their livelihood, their lives. It's just, it gets, it gets frustrating because at the end of the day, it's like, like, I haven't done anything wrong and I have to, you know, suffer from this. Yeah. One team that I'm sure has to be unbelievably frustrated is the Denver Broncos, because we saw the outbreak and the close contact, proximity, tracing, all of the above

with their quarterback room. And then we saw Kendall Hinton called into service, you know, the Wake Forest wide receiver who had never played a game in the league. But there it is. His opportunity rolled out right in front of him with that red carpet. But it wasn't as a wide receiver. It was as a quarterback. And we've seen, you know, the outpouring of support from around the league. I mean, he was one for nine through two picks. And, you know, Ryan, we talked about it. You said, you only get that one shot to make that rookie impression. And a lot of people, the impression that they're going to get from Kendall Hinton is that, you know, he had a subpar. quarterbacking performance and the dude's not even a quarterback. It's only one person in the, in the whole world that had a better, a worse showing than Denver this weekend. And it was Nate Robinson. Oh, man. Oh, no.

I started singing church hymns when he got knocked out that up for room. But the thing is, all I'm saying, man, all I'm saying is, like, they really set him up for failure because he, like, I read something like he was doing sales a month ago. Then they brought him to practice squad. And then they're like, hey, you're playing quarterback. Guys know in the NFL in any sport, any guy in the G league on the practice squad or whatever, like you're just waiting for your opportunity to just go on the field and play. And he was, he was grinding to be a receiver.

You know, Wake Forest, they felt he'll be a better receiver. That's why they moved them in college. They didn't think you was the right quarterback. But now I'm practicing receiver, and I see guys when I was playing practice their ass off. And sometimes they might play a scout team quarterback if you're practicing against a Lamar or you're practicing at Kalamurray.

You're like, I got to, this guy is a shifty guy, you know, so they pit a receiver at quarterback. But like, he throws in and practice, but you're like, they'll never bit that guy in the game. And that's what Denver just did. You know, and I'm not saying that, he had a bad performance, but at the day it was just like,

he couldn't say no. Like, if somebody came to you and all you want to do is play, you can't say no. So he went out there and just like, man, I'm going to give everything I got and went one for nine with two picks.

It's just, like, I feel bad for him because that's the impression that people have on him, you know, when, like, obviously nobody would ever let him play quarterback

for them ever again. But like, hopefully somebody would give him a chance at receiver because that's not even his fault. I feel like they just was like, like the coaches had their eyes closed and were just pointing in the room like hey you're playing quarterback like

and he didn't get to practice any plays with the team he haven't practiced quarterback since college and then they're like hey you're our starting quarterback today they're like he probably wouldn't sleep like like yo what the hell is going on

like he woke up like everybody's like are you ready he's like yeah I guess it's like putting a pastry chef on chops like hold on a second man I need the dessert round first. I can't do appetizers. I'm a pastry chef.

But like you said, nobody had a worse weekend than Kendall Hinton than Nate Robinson. Caitlin, I don't know if you saw Nate Robinson, but I mean, he still might be asleep. Yeah, he might be,

man. That sucks because I was a big fan of his. But I mean, like, to the Wright's point, though, you know, like you're no longer a fan of Nate Robinson.

That sucks. I was a big fan of his no longer. Hey, I'm still a fan because, look, as someone who is not, I'm vertically challenged, right? That's what the saying is.

Nate Robinson is a hero for everyone under 5 foot 10. Yeah, true. Thanks. Still a hero. You're not a tall dude? From these Zoom meetings, you look like you're a tall, slender cat. Not a tall dude? I'm a slender cat.

I ain't tall, I wish. Okay. I think it's the hair, bro. I think it's the hair. We both don't have any hair, so he's, you know. But, Ken, when you look at the set of circumstances that Kendall Hinton was presented with, Like Ryan said, you know, if you get that ask, they say, hey, oh, by the way, all of our quarterbacks are down. We want you to call some plays out here and go out here and make something happen.

If you say no, I mean, in the back of your head, you can think, well, maybe they'll think I'm not a team guy that I'm not willing to make things work and they'll never come back to me again. Right. That, and I mean, like Ryan said, you don't really have a choice in that position. And, you know, secondly, he's never going to get that chance ever again, which is really cool to see in that kind of storybook aspect. This is something straight out of a sitcom or some comedy movie or something like that where you have some random practice squad dude who was great in high school, get this shot in the NFL.

You know, it didn't work out. But, you know, to that point, it goes to, it goes back to, you know, everyone else on the planet who is not a superior athlete, who thinks that they can play and just walk in and play quarterback. Right. passes. Like, Zach Cram had this really great tweet from Ringer. He mentioned how

Kendall Hinton was a state championship quarterback. That man went into an NFL game and completed just one of nine passes with the pick. So everyone else on the planet who was sitting from their couch. Two picks. Yeah.

State championship, though. Al Bundy, Paul Khy. Exactly. And the thing is, and I totally agree with you, the thing is, he's a world-class athlete. Like, that's what's Exactly. That's what I was going to get at. You know, look at 6% of high school athletes play in college. And then when you look at the NFL, I mean, it goes from, I think, 6% in the 2019 NFL draft,

only 6.8% of SBS players ended up making it to the NFL. You are in, you know, my saying is always that NFL players and professional athletes in general are the 1% of the 1%, you know? And I guess it's a little bit of exaggeration based on stats. But regardless, if you're, ever going to say a player sucks, that's relative. And I put that in quote, air quotes. Like, that is relative to playing against elite premier athletes. I was looking at Ryan Chazier, I was looking at your mock draft, or your draft profile when, from what you performed at the

combine. We ran a 4.36. In the 99th percentile, you had a 42-inch broad jump, which is in the 90-cent percentile. Like, these are ridiculous, as athletes. And you're 6'1 and 230 pounds. Five foot, five foot seven and one hundred thirty pounds. I could probably run a four eight, four. If I'm lucky. That's terrifying. No, and the thing is, like, people really don't respect it. Like, I remember, I remember, like, it was so funny.

Like, I went back home and I was just playing catch with my cousin. And it was like, man, Ryan, like, man, like, I'll route you up or something like that. So I was like, I'm like, all right, whatever, bro. Obviously, I guess I play linebacker. So it was like, man, you're a longbacker, you can't cover me. I'm like, okay, we get to the line, boom, boom, jamming me in the chest. He was like, bro, why you hit me so hard? I'm like, bro, what are you talking about?

I barely tapped you. He can't get off the line. Then I get the ball and then I shake him. And they're like, dang, bro, I even know you can do all that. I'm like, I'm not no bum out here. Like, I'm not no bum. Just because I play linebacker doesn't mean I'm not good at every other position, too. It's just other people that are elite at that and I'm elite at this.

Like, one of my best friends, he always be like, man, right. in one-on-one situation, I'll rent you over, I'll shake you. I'm like, I was like, hey, him, I was like, eight out of ten times, if we have open field, you can have the whole field I'm going to tackle you, the whole field. And he was like, hell, no, I'm like, you can't have the whole field. I'm like, I promise you eight out of ten times. He's like, I'll probably shake you seven out of ten times. I'm like, do you not remember I was a top five linebacker in the NFL?

Like, this, that is my job. Like, you know, people, people just, people just think it's easy out here. Like, they play Madden and they just run the same plays. And like, yeah, I can shred dudes up. No, like, this is not, no, you can't. You can't do that. It's not, you, you are at home for a reason. Some guys that miss their opportunities, but most people are at home for a reason.

Are not those people that miss their opportunities. And yeah, I think a lot of people forget, like, oh, you're a defender. You can't do this. You can't do that. But your main objective is to stop the guys who can do this and can do that. So chances are, yeah, you guys are sitting there in the same boat paddling up the same stream. And I know you talked about quarterbacks and players and coaches that, quote unquote, that suck. Well, we're going to get to those guys in just a second because some of those coaches whose seat may be heating up right about now,

yeah, that's coming up next. All right, we're talking about some of those coaches who are feeling that temperature rise underneath that backside. And, you know, we talked about coaches that, that quote unquote suck. And I'm not going to say that these. guys suck because in order to get a job, you have to be efficient at least the interview process and at least tricking someone into giving you a job. And what we're seeing right now in East Rutherford, that's exactly what happened. Not only that Adam Gay's tricked the New York Jets into giving him a job, he tricked the Miami Dolphins. And right now he's thriving. He's looking around, seeing all these guys getting canned and Kalin, he's sitting there being like, whoo, I still have a job.

Cool. Everything's all right. We've got five weeks to go. Let's see if I can ride this one out. bro he's he's really chilling he's that's all I was saying like he's he's gonna make it through the season that's intentional the Jets need the number one pick yeah they're to go through with their whole revamp or whatever plan they've got in place you know to get back to being a respectable franchise you know gaysen is in itself you know for his part you know he hasn't I feel like we've known this was coming for a while you know even before coming into this year he was always on kind of the brink of being like oh especially

at this point where you have kind of a, I wouldn't say weekend AFC East, but the door is open with the Patriots not being as dumb as they used to be. And the Jets are just still floundering away at the bottom, not just within the division, but the entire NFL. Yeah. And I mean, you're taking a look at them. And he kept, Ryan, I saw his press cops and they were asking him about who was calling plays, was it him or was it Dowell Loggins? Or they're sitting there and he's like, uh, yeah. And it looked like me when I didn't do something back in the day. And I was getting question by my dad. Hey, man, why didn't you take out the garbage?

Why didn't you clean your room? Because a tornado came through and the sirens went off. Just making stuff up, lying. I was in the bathroom. Yeah, I blame your siblings. The phone rang. Man, to me, he's just, like, he's just chilling at his house.

Like, man, I'm chilling in New York. I don't give a damn fault. When I lose? Like, I still got my job. Like, I don't know what's going on over there. I honestly think they have a master plan. I think he really just went to the owner and was like, hey, I'm going to come here and I'm going to get us these early picks.

We're going to rebuild this squad. This has to be a joke. Like, he has to really be taken, like, because, like, he's a terrible coach. Like, I'm sorry. I just don't like throwing shots, but I'm starting to throw him now. He's not good at coaching tackle football. He's not good at coaching. He might not be good at coaching flag either.

I don't know what's going on. I don't understand how he keeps getting jobs, man. He didn't perform well at the Dolphins. He's not performing well at the Jets. And like, what was he at, Cole before the Dolphins? You know he was in Chicago before the Dolphins. Why, you knew that he was in, I mean, always got to go throwing shots at my city now, man.

I'm just asking the question because it was like, was he was like, I understand that they had that one good year or whatever, but is, it was he there when, Bisckey went to the Pro Bowl? No, he wasn't there. That, then, yeah. He was in Miami. He was in Miami.

But it just, he was with Cutler. Yeah. Cutler, yeah. Fantastic. Yeah, Colour wasn't great, but he had great arm, you know what I'm saying? So that kind of saved out of days, you know, but I just, some people need to be gone and don't deserve another chance. And, you know, three strikes you're out, but he got two and he needs to be out.

Like, he's overweight for him. Like, he needs, you need to, you know. after this season, the Jets, they need to go a different direction or something, man. There's too many good coaches out here that's assistance. There's too many coaches in college. There's too many coaches in high school and the league out here that coach better than Gates. Yeah, if you're Adam Gates, though, you have to be like, hold on a second. They're keeping me here so we can continue to lose games.

I mean, you think that'd have to be a point of pride and be like, you know what? I'm going to go out here and I'm going to use all my knowledge to win one of these football games or at least a few of them and muddy up their plans. Because at the end of the year, they're going to get rid of the dude anyway if they're going by the blue that they've set forth at least so far. And you talked about how Adam Gates was in Chicago before he spent time in Miami. And that's just going to lead us right back to where I'm at right now because Matt Nagy, after getting his teeth kicked in

by the Green Bay Packers on Monday night football, on Sunday night, excuse me. I mean, he went out there and said, you know, we got to friggin get better. And I just feel like I need to hear more cuss words out of him. I mean, when you get stomped out like that, and, you know, everyone should take a look in the mirror. and we got to get our tails in gear.

We got friggin smacked and blah, blah, blah. When your job's on the line and your team and sense of pride is right there out in front of you and Aaron Rogers and the Green Bay Packers absolutely stole, it's all right. I mean, this is a game played by grown men. If you want to go out there and use a few words that you need to put a few bucks in the swear job, Ryan, sometimes you have to do that. Right now, if I'm in that Chicago locker room, I just can't get behind Matt Nagy right now. I'm sorry, Matt Nagy.

I need to hear a few cuss words. out of you. I can't get behind him either because I really think, I really think he's destroying y'all team. And the reason I say that, I feel like the guys don't trust them. No, defense, they don't seem like they trust the offense to perform anymore because your defense is one of the top in the league.

And now they're performing like they're not, you know, top 10 anymore. It just, it doesn't look good to me. You can tell that the team is really not standing behind their coach. I honestly don't feel that Ms. Trubisky is that bad of a quarterback. and Nick Foll is that bad of a quarterback. I just don't feel that the system that he has doesn't work well with his players.

I feel that he doesn't find out what his players do well and try to work with it. I feel that he tried to do what he wants to do and wants to win with that. And if he doesn't win, it's my way or the highway. And you see with bad coaches, when you do my way or the highway,

is you on the highway. And I feel like he's going to be on the highway soon. Yeah, talent evaluation and play call and ability, not really in Matt Neggie's wheelhouse right about now, Caitlin. Yeah, no, it's weird because he's kind of, you know, created his own mess in a sense. Because when you look back at, I don't know if you guys saw it, but Caitlin Caller from Bleacher Report, she had that whole article about how, you know, the Bears came about, you know, picking Mitch Chubisky over, you know, Patrick Mahomes and got hustled by John Lynch. John Lynch, the hustler. Sorry to her, sorry to bring it up again, Cole. But, you know, like, he, Nagy came into the job.

There's a quote from it where he says he evaluated the quarterbacks in 2017 when he was Kansas City's offensive coordinator. But he took the job in Chicago knowing Mitch Trubisky was the future. And look at that first year, they had great offensive success. The dude was an offensive-minded coach. But over the past two, three years where your defense has performed at an elite level, it's been the offense and particularly your quarterback where it's been the reason for your demise at this point. And for him to, you know, have to get rid of, you know, deciding, hey, he's not going to call plays anymore this season. He did that a few weeks ago, I believe.

But, you know, the office is still not insane. It doesn't look any better. And for someone whose pedigree and background is being, you know, based on what the officer is able to do, you're wasting away a good defense that is honestly all pro caliber group, arguably the best in the league. With, you know, spoiling it with the offense that's completely inefficient and can't do anything successfully. So it really comes down to what Nagy chose to do and really he's kind of made his own bed in the sense. And we'll see if they decide they roll with them moving forward. Yeah, it's funny because those two coaches in the hot seat at one and two are guys that everyone's deemed offensive geniuses. Adam Gase, offensive genius.

His job probably won't be there at the end of the year. Matt Nagy, offensive genius. Chicago Bears, I mean, they've rushed for over 100 yards as a team just this last game for the first time since week three. Not great. Now, when it comes to a guy that no one's put that genius label on, we're going to go down to Duval County and Kaelin, Doug Marone, what we've seen out of him. You know, it's not necessarily 100% his fault. I mean, this is a team that just a few years ago, they were one game away from being in the Super Bowl and all that talent. It's not playing else. Who fault is it, Cole?

That's not Doug Marone's fault. Like I was saying, there has to be some of the guys who are the chess masters in the offices, whether it's Shad Khan, it's someone who's making a lot of these moves down there. And like I was saying, it's not Doug Maron. I know he gets to have maybe a little bit of input on some of these moves. You know, I think with Doug Maron, I think it's him and Coughlin. When they just try to be sticklers on every single thing. And that got their best players up out of there. And obviously, you can't win if you don't have any good players.

I'm not saying that guys in Jacksonville aren't good. You know, they have DJ charge. They have Robinson. You know, I don't know who their quarterback is right now because, you know, they're switching up, you know, at first it was gonna minch you. It's a turn style. Yeah, it's turnstile.

But the thing is with me is, like, with Matt Nagy was like my way or the highway with calling offenses. With Doug Maron is my way or the highway, like, with people in general. Like, you have to do exactly what I say here. And I feel like, their team is discombobulated because they drove out all their best players

because they were trying to tell them how to be men. And I feel like at a day, football is a job to a lot of people, but at a day they still love their job, but they don't want to be treated like kids. And some coaches treat their players in a pro level as if they're college players. And I feel that comes most in Jacksonville. You know, they try to be so business-oriented strictly by the book, doing it just like I tell you to do it.

And I feel when they do things that way, it's harder for you to keep really good guys there. And when you don't have good guys, it's hard to win. So I think that's one reason that they're sticking with Del Maron is because they understand that they don't have any talent anymore. But I don't feel like they're going to keep any talent. And they're going to continue to have that type of atmosphere there because guys aren't going to choose to go there. If guys know, hey, these dudes are assholes, I can't even wear my,

you know, I can't even be on my phone in the locker room, which this is my safe place. They're like, why would I want to go here? Like, people won't, you don't see that you can succeed. People will go there if they're winning, but you're losing. So if you're losing and you're assholes, like, I'm not about to go there. So, like, I feel that's the biggest thing with Doug Maron. I don't think he's a bad coach. He always has a pretty decent defense.

But I feel like just their atmosphere that they have there is going to keep players from not going there. and he's going to always just keep him on the hot seat because their team is not going to be good. They're just not going to be a good team because it's just guys aren't going to want to be there. Yeah, Doug Marone, he's an every man. His favorite food is a bologna sandwich and the Jacksonville Jaguars,

if they were an item on a menu of a five-star restaurant, well, they would be a bologna sandwich too right about now because they're not playing like they need to. Another team that isn't living up to that hype, and therefore their coach might be on that hot seat, Kailen. It's Anthony Lynn. Now, Justin Herbert, you know, he's putting some numbers together that could be some of the best that we've ever seen of a rookie play caller.

But if I had to go out on a limb and say Anthony Lynn's future, would you bet the house on it of him being the head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers and being the coach that ushers that Justin Herbert career into the next level? I don't think he's going to be that guy, man. Whoa. Man, it's a fair question. And what stinks is because, you know, they've unearthed, you know, really what ended up being a gem. I don't really question, you know, when, you know, taking his time with Justin Herbert, because literally I watched them all the time in college of Oregon, and I wasn't convinced he was going to be a start from the get-go.

So I don't think that's the biggest question point. It's really, when you look at the season, too, the Chargers have been competitive in every single game they played. But I think it's the games where they've lost that have really cost them. Because look at all those close losses. That's what Anthony Lynn. That's what he's doing. But it's against the good team or against the bad teams that are more.

suspect than anything. Because look, they were competing against the Bucks. They were competitive against the Chiefs. They've been competitive against the Saints. And you can live, if you choked away leads against those three teams, look at you could probably say you can live with that. But against the Jaguars, they barely won that game. They nearly blew it against the Jets. And then against the Broncos, they ended up blowing it. And I'm not sure if, you know, the ridiculousness of all of these one score games. I think I saw us at where they were three and 16 and one score games over the past two seasons. I don't know if it's going away until they figure out their close, you know, close game management. You know, we, we've seen a couple of screw-ups from both

Lynn and his staff down the stretch over a lot of these games in season. And really, it was a sanctuary way the last week against the bills where you had that miscue on the timeout call early in the fourth quarter and then late in the game where you had that whole Hail Mary QB sneak miscommunication. And look, maybe you could have the excuse of this team. went through a lot of injuries. There's been a lot of rotation and the fact that they didn't have a complete off season to get everything fully installed.

But we're in week 12, and these are, you know, coaching errors that should not be, you know, undoing, you know, the Chargers games. The margin for air is really slimmed with Los Angeles, but until when gets it together, the potential for that team is always going to be capped even with Justin Herbert playing quarterback.

Yeah, this is the longest one week in an NFL season in the history of the league with that Steelers and Ravens game being pushed, of course, to Wednesday. And, you know, Anthony Lynn, Ryan, I want to get your take because we've seen him lose so many close games, but we've also seen the way that Justin Herbert's been playing in that rookie campaign. Do you think that they're going to give him and Herbert the keys to that franchise together? Are they going to be able to walk hand in hand in that sunset? I honestly feel like they'll give him one more year. The reason I feel that, the reason I feel that is because they see that they're always in every game, like Kato was saying. And to me, it's just, I don't, I hate when young quarterbacks just constantly going through quarterbacks.

When young quarterback being through coaches, when young quarterback is going through coaches back, left and right, it's really hard for them to be successful because at the day, the ownership is really telling them we don't trust one guy. Lynn, they had a successful season, you know, earlier on when he was the coach. But then the last two years has been up and down. But nobody expected them to come out this year and be on fire, you know, because they had tower ride at the beginning of the year. And then Herbert came in and he's playing out of his mind. But nobody came in here expecting them to win a division, you know. So it just throws everybody off because they're winning every game and then they end up losing it.

So that's why everybody's like, oh, he did. deserves to get fired. At a day, this is the NFL, you don't just, you don't get a war for being a runner up. But I think that next year, him and the quarterback, they understand, he understands what he has now. And they're going to have to, they're going to figure out this close game situations, because if they don't, he's going to be out of here next year for sure. Because last, last game, obviously they still were down 10 towards the end of the game, but they were well in range to win that day. And it just, he can't be having the missed, the clock management that he's been having because that's, that's really been hurting his team a lot. But I think, I don't think he's as bad

as a coach as the three coaches that we said before, me personally. So, and when you really look at it, I don't see a whole lot of candidates that are going to become great coaches. I see one. I see one for sure. And that's, that's Bellamy. And, uh, in Eric, Eric, Bianney. Yeah, BNAMI. I'm sorry, not BELOME. Eric B for president. That's the one I see. But the thing is, it's a lot easier to be the number one candidate when you have my homeboy at quarterback.

Yep. Matt Nagy had him, though, for just a short spell. This we know, I mean, obviously it was during the year he was not the starter, Alex Smith, but you just look at, you know, what some of these guys may be able to do, Arabianimi. I mean, we've seen him, you know, year after year be able to, you know, work his magic with Kansas City. You know, I can't say I've been knowing about him forever, but, you know, he was Morris Jones Drew's running back coach at UCLA. So I always heard MJD talk about, man, this guy,

Eric Beenemy, man, he's off the chart. Like, just wait, just wait until he gets his chance. And finally, he's gotten his chance. We've seen what he's been able to do. And, you know, that makes me move because, you know, we're doing this top five coaches on the hot seat. And it seems as if, you know, one guy was able to slide down to number six and the guy who was in six, at least to me, moved up into that fifth position because Mike Zimmer ahead of the season, you know, a lot of people said, if this isn't the year for the Minnesota Vikings, who knows what fate may hold for Mike Zimmer. Mike Zimmer, your seat has cooled off just a little bit because Doug Peterson,

after what he exhibited last night in that loss, I mean, it was late in the fourth quarter. He had the opportunity to go ahead and get some points on fourth down. What does he do? He tries to go for a touchdown. and what happens, I mean, they get punched right squarely in the mouth, Ryan. That can't happen. Doug Peterson, there's a lot of questions right now when it comes to that play call. I have a question.

If you had a choice, which team is better? The Eagles or the Chargers? Oh, I take the Chargers all day long. Chargers all day long. Both 100% healthy. Chargers, all day long. Chargers, so I'm still taking the Chargers. So who you think is a better coach, Anthony Land,

Doug Peterson. I'd still say Anthony Lynn. You said Anthony Lynn? Yeah, I'd still take Anthony Lynn. You know, I would like to say Anthony Lynn, but the fact that Doug Peterson has won a Super Bowl, I mean, sometimes you can't go against that. It's to get to that mountain top, you know, there's 32 head coaches that try to do it every single year and only one can do so. Doug Peterson, he's a great officer coach, right? Great officer coach. But, I mean, are these rhetorical questions or are you really wanting an answer to you? But there's how this, Doug Peterson was considered a great officer coach when he became the coach. But what led him to that championship was not offense.

It was strictly defense. And their defense is really weak right now. And his quarterback is playing really bad. And then you could be the best coach in the world. Imagine if Patrick Mahomes just fell off a cliff and started playing terrible. Watch your mouth. Don't, don't watch your mouth now, Ryan. No, no.

Patrick Holmes is not going to do that. Patrick Holmes is not going to do that. I'm just saying like he had an MVP year and then, and then now imagine he ended up playing like Carson Wentz. Now everybody's going to be like, man, Andy Reid needs to be fired. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, I can't stop this dude from throwing all these damn interceptions. You know, but he still does, he needs to pay his quarterback in better positions, though. And to me, I felt like he could have handled the situation better last night.

Carson wins. He wasn't having a good game, man. I feel like they should at least pay Jaylor Hurts in there just to see what they have because they're still in the running. It hurts for me to say that. It hurts for me to say that because I know you want. I know you say that Jaylor was going to start

by the end of the year. I'm still going to rock with Carson, but he's playing bad, man. I feel like they have to put somebody else in there to show you like, hey, we don't need you. And when you show guys, we don't need you, is either they're going to bend or break. And I feel that would let Carson,

you'll see Carson come back out and start performing better. But as long as Carson's making over $20 million a year, and he's the starting quarterback and has over 18 turnovers, he's like, yo, I'm going to play quarterback the way I've been playing. Y'all not threatening to pit nobody else in here. They pit Jail and Lerzin. He threw one pass, get six yards, and they take him out. It's just like, I feel like he has to understand, like, how to,

We can win without you. Yeah, we can win without you. And then it really, like, puts fire into you. Like, I remember when I played in my second year, I was having a decent game. But coach went in the meeting and just told the whole team, hey, Ryan's playing like shit right now. I'm going to play it Ryan and Vince and Spence on a rotation. And we're going to figure out who performed better. That year, I finished the season off with five picks.

Yeah, that lit the fire. Yeah, that lit the fire. I'm like, yo, I'm not, I'm not about to do this again. Like, I'm, like, Vince is my dog and me and Vince end up being running mates. But I was like, I can't, I can't, like, you can't pick me in a situation when it's me or you. Because if it's me or you, I'm always going to bet on black. I'm always going to bed on myself. You know.

He went passenger 57. Wesley Snipes on him. And the thing is, Vince would do the same thing. And I feel like Carson would do the same thing. Imagine Carson went sitting on a bench and see Jail and hers. throw for 200. He's going to be over there like, no, I can do that.

And he's going to go in there and play like he played before. But now he's over there just worried because he recently got hurt. He was like, me, not recently got hurt, but he keeps getting hurt. And he's like, ah, I'm just going to, I'm just going to, you know,

soaking and just play quarterback. We still in the champion, we still got a chance to win a division. We win it with six wins. We still winning. It doesn't really matter. Like, that's the kind of, you see that's the type of, like,

atmosphere, it seems like they have over there. but if like coach coach coach tomlin if that was if that was uh like not ben but if that was like because uh carson wins is still young but carson wins is really young and they have another young guy that they got in the second round you have time time to make that move hey hey you're going in you're going in we're going to we're going to see what you're working with if you if you if you if you if you asked too then we're paying carson back in there but hey we just got to we got to figure something out we can't we can't just keep messing around like our our seasons at jeopardy because at the end of the day, once you get in the playoff, anybody can win.

Obviously, nobody in the NFC is going to win shit in the playoffs, but that's just the motto. If you get in, I have a chance. Yeah. And, and, Caitlin, I don't know if you heard the conversation earlier in the season. I think it might have even been before the season kicked off, but I said that Carson Wentz by season's end would be holding the clipboard and Jaylon Hertz would indeed be the starter. And, you know, we talked about it before even the show ramped up. I said, let's take it back just a few years.

If you were recruiting these guys as college quarterbacks, in what world, in what universe would Carson Wentz start over Jalen Hertz? And my answer was in no world, in no universe. And right now, I think it's loyalty, Doug Peterson and Carson Wentz. You know, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt because looking at what a guy like Jaylon Hertz was able to do collegiate league to go to Alabama, to face an adverse set of situations, go to Oklahoma, thrive there, and then be a second round draft pick. that could have been a number one, a first round draft pick, rather. This is the guy who's just waiting, buying his time. When he gets his opportunity, I think that he's going to make this Philadelphia Eagles team a much better ball club. Ken, I'll say one thing my fault.

If you look at physicals, I'll take the cars for wins over January. I'm just sorry, but I'm going to let Kayla go back. Okay. No, no, no. I mean, that's what we were talking about. I'm going to do some digging while Kayla expresses his points. That's what we were talking about before the show, right? Like, we were talking about how it, my point is if it was a point is if it was a

link sheet of paper if I had no clue who either guy was. And I'm sure, you know, forgive me for not knowing Carson Wentz's collegiate stats. I'm sure the completion percentage and everything else is great. But if I see two national championship appearances, one win and then also going to Oklahoma and beating out another first round pick in Kyle and Murray for a starting position at quarterback, I mean, J.L. Heard's is a winner. So, I mean, there's definitely reason to believe that, you know, whenever he gets this chance at the NFL, there's a chance that he succeeds at some point. I mean, we even saw Tim Tebow do it at the NFL level. So, I mean, but to the point of whether or not they should play Jalen Hurds,

it's really confusing for me figuring out what the Eagles direction is. Because, you know, like you guys mentioned, the playoffs are definitely in play for Philadelphia. And you would think that Doug Peterson at this point would determine that, hey, Carson Wentz is the reason that the Eagles are not playing well. Their defense has been solid. And even last night, they held Seattle, they forced them. You know, the stallout a few times within the red zone, they've been decent. They were entered the week ranked 13th in football outsiders DVOA metric, which is pretty

solid, you know, all circumstances considering. The offense, however, Carson Wentz has performed that he's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. If you look at every statistical category across the board, he hasn't been there. So you have to question whether or not the Eagles really want to either, you know, kind of stick with Wentz and understand that nothing is changing, or turn to the rookie quarterback that supposedly was worth the first round pick almost and at least a second round investment and see if he can provide a spark for your team because they haven't a chance, you know,

potentially do something with this defense and, you know, if they can ever figure out their options at the outside, maybe give Altson Jeffrey a little bit less time, more Travis Fulgum moving forward. But I don't understand what the direction or what Billy or at least Doug Peterson is deciding to do because it's very cliche, but it's a QB league and Carson Wentz has not been in it. Yeah, well, Ryan's going with Carson Wentz. because Wentz is six foot five and Hertz is only six foot one. And I'm getting his arm is better.

Yeah, I mean, that's, how much better though? I mean, is it? Arm strength. Yeah, I mean, is it the accuracy? Because last night, I mean, he had a, he had a, I saw him just overthrowing guys. He looked like a young James Winston out there. No disrespect to James Winston. But, you know, obviously that's before he got that LASIC surgery.

And before he was, you know, forced to hold a clipboard down there in New Orleans. But, you know, Carson Wentz, even when he had time, Everyone was saying, oh, it's the offensive line. That's why things aren't getting... His line looked terrible last night. They did, but he didn't look great either. When it was there, I mean, I'm seeing him, look, look, survey, survey, Pat, Pat, Pat, Pat, and then Pa-Pow. And then he takes that hit.

You can't do that. You can't waste all that time. If you know that you only have four seconds, three seconds to get a playoff, then try to get a playoff in a second and a half, two seconds. That's not what we're seeing right now from Carson Wentz or Doug Peterson. Nick Fold said about Matt Niggi, man, I look at these plays, and I know I ain't going to have another time. It sounds like what we're saying about Philadelphia is the same thing that we said in weeks

past about Chicago. No, 100%. It's just, I don't, Carson Wins, he's just, he's a great player, you know, and he has a lot of potential, but I just think ever since he got hurt, he just hasn't been the same player. And I don't know, I just, to me, I'm a fan of Carson Wins. I think he could be good, but I am a believer of. you have to kind of scare sometimes, sometimes you have to scare good players

to become great players. And, you know, because in a day, I feel like even with Patrick Mahomes and Alex Smith, Patrick Mahomes seen me, Alex Biff seen Patrick Mahomes practicing every single day. He was like, damn, this dude is all. Yeah, I better get on it. Yeah, but the thing is,

if you really look at Alex Smith before he got traded, he was performing extremely well, you know what I'm saying? So, obviously, he wasn't Patrick Mahones, but he sees like, hey, man, I can't let this dude touch the field. You know, like, with me, I was like, man, I can't let this dude touch the field. I mean, I can't let these guys touch the field because I got to, I got to perform. I remember when Levion seeing James Connor go for 100, the next week, Leveon was like, man, I'm about to go for 150.

You know, like, when A.B. seen juju go crazy. A.B. was like, no, I need to go crazy. You know, like, I feel like sometimes quarterbacks need that. Like, when we drafted Mason, Ben was like, oh, no. about it, let's go. I'm, you know, and then he's seeing how things looked at last year. He's like, I'm 100%, hey, don't even think about playing him making this goddamn game, you know what I'm saying?

Like, because y'all, y'all need me. Like, if Carson go out there and see a, they might not need me or they do need me, he could come back and be like, man, y'all not about to keep me on this bench. Like, because being on the bench, that's not a good feeling, you know what I'm saying? So, and I know it's a lot of guys that's trying to work their way up, but even younger guys, when they get that opportunity, they're trying to go out there and ball. And Jayla Hurts are going to go out there and try to ball. Like you said, he's a winner.

But he might not even be the best quarterback. Drew Breeze don't have the best arm, but he considered one of the best quarterbacks all time. You know what I'm saying? So they're like, if Jaylor Hurts can go out there and ball, but I feel like if jailing there, it will pit some type of fire behind Carson wins. Because even if you start jailing and he gets you to the playoffs, do you start jailing next year?

No. If they get to, no, if they don't. But I just, well, with the way that the division is looking, that could be a conclusion that is something that comes to, because we've seen how they won the division last year at 9 and 7. This is, it's not going to be the hardest division for them to win. But Ryan, like you said, though, it's funny because when you take a look at all guys that have had Hall of Fame careers, I think outside of Chris Carter,

you don't see a guy start off, not play great, and then hit stride a little bit later into his career. and especially at the quarterback position, I don't think that Carson Wentz is going to be that guy who has that renaissance and plays like he once did when he was that MVP candidate, when he played those Eagles to 13 wins that season. They went on to win a Super Bowl.

But I just don't think that Carson Wentz is that guy right now for that team. And Doug Peterson, you know, I think when it comes to that hot seat of those coaches, I think that Doug Peterson is the one coach of those guys that we named that may have a job next year. And Ryan, if I'm wrong, then call me out. But Adam Gase, Matt Nagy, Doug Marone,

Doug Peterson, and Anthony Lynn, I think Peterson might be the last man standing. I'm not going to lie. I feel that the last three still might have a job. Doug Maron, Anthony Lynn, and Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson, I feel he can have a job because he won a Super Bowl. So when people win Super Bowls, you give him a longer leash than you would give anybody else.

Anthony Lynn, the reason I feel like he'll keep a job is because he has a young core, not a young core, but he has a really good team. And I feel like if you bring the wrong guy in there, if they don't get Airbnb or they don't get a really good coach, that team is going to get destroyed. Like, you know, and it's going to really mess up Justin Herbert. So I really feel like he'll get one more chance. The reason I feel Doug Moran is going to stay is because it just, I have no inclination that he's going to get fired.

I just don't see he's going to get fired. I think like, they're just like, hey, we're just going to rebuild from the draft and just figure things out here. That's how the first two, they need to get fired. They need to be up out of there. They need to be right next to Matt Patricia. That's what they need to be. Matt Patricia's right now at a computer somewhere,

listening to this podcast, updating his LinkedIn page, be like, oh, man, I can't believe this. With a person. With a person using a computer. Trying to write on the touchscreen because just like a laminated play sheet, you can't do that either. But, Kaelin, when it comes to those guys that are on that hot seed, what do you say?

Ryan says the back three on the top five will still be, gainfully employed. I don't know. Doug Peterson, maybe Anthony Lynn, that's all I'm seeing right now. Yeah, exactly. I think Marone is a toss-up.

And it's weird because the Jaguar's just fired the GMD of Cald. So it's like, is that, you know, a sign that, you know, they're just kind of riding it out with Morone, you know,

the tank or figure out, finish wherever they end up in the draft and then move on from him in the off season. But like Ryan was mentioning, the thing with that is, you know, Jaguars have a young core. They have some talent.

to young players. It's like, do you want to hire another head coach and potentially, you know, screw up the continuity going into however 2020 one looks as opposed, you know, just sticking with what's going on right now and trying to write the ship? So if they can't find a better option, then, I mean, they might be SOL. Because the thing is, Del Maron loves, like, he's a defensive guy. And they have some really good pieces on defense over there that they're starting with. So, like, that's why I feel that he's not going to get fired.

they just, they don't have a quarterback. And if you don't have a quarterback, it's hard to win, you know. So I think that this hurts me to say this, but I really feel like I don't want him to go here, but he's going to go here. But Justin Fields is probably going to go to Jacks. And I feel like that's going to turn things around. But I, I just don't want to see my Ohio State guy go there.

Like, I just don't. Wow. I mean, the disappointment is real. Look, Ryan just looks out the window. like it's like he's a like B-roll, like, you know, a frustrated gentleman who, who sees his college quarterback go to the Jacksonville Jaguars. We've got that B-roll. I just, I just feel like, like, all right, I'm sorry. We have somebody, you know, on our team that's a huge Jacksonville fan.

But I feel like that's just like a place of failure. Like, I just don't see it. It's a factory of sadness. A factory of sadness. Well, see, but they were a quarterback away from. from, you know, making the Super Bowl. That was the thing. They have great for it.

If they had, let's say, you know, Justin Fields in that situation, I mean. No, no, you're right. But, like, their team, they had a really good defense then. Like, their defense is still young and it's not as good as that defense was. And the thing is next year they could be, you know, they have, they have Josh Allen. They have C.J. Henderson. Like, they have good pieces. They have Miles Jack.

They have good pieces. But, like, their offense, they're going to have to figure things out because Robinson's good, but do you think he's a number one? Renovac? Do you guys think he's in the more runnabat? No. He's an auxiliary player. I mean, he's like, you know, top 20. I mean, he's probably top 20 his position. And I know what we're living in reality right here, but when you want to ask yourself if a guy is good, if you need to win a game in fantasy football and you know it hinges on your running back play,

are you going to go with him, Caleb? Oh, fantasy football, absolutely, this season. I mean, fantasy football. You're going to go with the 20th rated running back play? in the league right now to put you over the top? No, no, I thought you're talking about, like, fancy footballs and, like, who's giving me the most points? He's, like, top five of fancy points. If you're talking about, like, elite running backs, no, he's not in that tier

yet, but I think the potential for him to be, you know, solid running back. You don't need an elite running back to win a Super Bowl. No, 100%. But all I'm saying, you need a strong running game when you have a young quarterback because they're going to get a young quarterback. He's been solid. Or they might get that. You never know. You know, just never know how things don't. All right.

Jimmy G. I don't know if that does anything. Do you think Jimmy G's going to stay in San Fran? Oh, man. They're paying him a lot of money. Hey, this is a different conversation. Yeah, exactly. I feel like we need to go a whole other hour for that one right there.

But I do have one more point to make before we get out of here. The relationship down in sunny South Florida between Tom, Brady and Bruce Ariens right about now, Ryan, it doesn't look to be as peachy keen as a lot of people would have thought it was going to be. To me, you know, Bruce Ariens, I feel like he's a good offensive-minded coach, but it depends on who his quarterback. I feel he wants to use his system with every quarterback he has, and it doesn't work effectively for every quarterback he has.

Tom Brady and Drew Bree's arms are like 40-year-old and 43-year-old men arms. Well, hold on, man. I can still, hold on, player. How far can you do it? That old man's strange. How far do you throw it? I can throw a football probably 55, 60 yards right now. Yeah, Tom Brady.

Yeah. I mean, how far do you need to be able to throw a football to play quarterback in the league? How many times you sit and looking at 76-yard strike downfield? I was just saying, like, but you definitely got a lot of air under that. So that means people, everybody's running underneath that. Oh, no, you're hanging laundry on that 60 yards from me. It gets about 10 feet high, tops.

Oh, I'm on rope. Oh, so you thought a rope. That's a baseball. throw right there. That's all the way baseball. But all I'm saying is like, you probably throw it 45, but I, you say 55, it's cool. So I let, wait, hey, all I'm saying is, man, like their arms obviously aren't built to throw it like as if they're Josh Allen or if they're Petra Mojones. And that's the type of office that he's trying to run with Tom Brady.

And I don't feel like he's working as effectively. Obviously, Tom wants to throw in some of the things he do. but Tom in New England would kill you with five-yard routes five yards, five yards, five yards, five yards, five yards. And the thing is, the thing is with Tom, he doesn't get tired of it. He would do it the whole field,

like the whole field to this court touchdown. Bruce Ariens, he's like Ben. And he's like Mahomes and Josh Allen. Like, I want to air this bitch out. Like, you know, like he wants to get his yards now. And like, he tried to do it with James, but James obviously had, 30 picks last year. And he's doing it with Tom. And Tom doesn't have the armstrip to do it. And when he

does have the armstrip, he's overthrothing people. He's not an accurate deep thrower. So I feel like Bruce Ariens is still, like he has to understand what works really well for the quarterback he has who's 20 years in the league and not just do what he wants to do. I feel like he can mix in what he wants to do sometimes. But I think that him trying to force his playbook is what's causing some of the attention over there. And obviously, they're going to stay in every game. When you go depth chart to depth chart, they're going to be in every game with everybody. But when it comes to just X in those, I feel all the good coaches are going to find a way to beat them, because they understand that what Tom Brady can and can't do and what Bruce Aaron wants to do.

And they're just going to allow Bruce Aaron to do what he wants to do, but take away what Tom Brady can do in that resource to interceptions. Kaelin, can the goat and the quarterback whisperer? Can they get it together with five games left, man? What say you? I'm not sure if they can. I'm still, I hate not having an answer for you, but I don't because I sincerely feel, you know, it's true. The best coaches adapt their system to their players.

And to this point, we're 12 weeks in. I know they didn't have an offseason, but Bruce Ariens has not adapted his system. Like Ryan was saying, this is a very aggressive downfield system where you have a quarterback who loves hitting your short and intermediate stuff and they haven't adjusted at any point, which is confusing to me because, you know, the whole purpose of this marriage was, you know,

go all in within this year and maybe next year. And for Bruce Ariens to not, you know, accommodate the star player that he added to make everything work. So that's maximized. I mean, that's the thing. The Buckingier sometimes are able to overcome

offensively that lack of chemistry. But when it comes to the playoffs, against these teams like the Saints, against these seems like the Packers. I mean, there's been, you know, the Jekyll and high performances. But until they decide to streamline their game plan and accommodate for what they have, you're going to keep seeing this, you know, sort of unknown buccaneer scene because their potential is clearly there. But the chemistry isn't. And that's the problem.

That's why it's so unclear about what they, what, whether or not they're going to figure it out. Yeah, there's so many tools and there's so many pieces of the. puzzle when it comes to that winning equation, but it would be like if someone gave me a bunch of lumber, cement, a bunch of power tools and say, hey, go build me a house. Like, hey, that's not what I do. I'm not willing to adapt that style because I don't build houses. And right now, that's what we're seeing. Bruce Ariens, not adapting to Tom Brady style and they're not able to build that championship house, at least so far. That's where we're at with five games left to go. Now, guys, that's going to do it for this Tuesday edition of the Ringer NFL show alongside Ryan

Shea Zier and Kaelin Jones. I'm Cole Wright. And as always, we're part of that Ringer podcast network. And you can follow us on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. You can also check us out over on Twitter at the Ringer NFL. Next Tuesday, we're going to be back as always. And on next Wednesday on the Ringer NFL show, it's Warren Sharp and Chris Vernon. It's the week that keeps on giving week 12 thoughts, analytics, and betting insights. And I'm sure they're going to touch maybe just a little bit on week 13 and what lies ahead. We'll see you next week. Thank you.