The Ringer NFL Show - The Dannys' 2021 NFL Mock Draft | Big Board

Episode Date: April 27, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It's basketball season and we've got you covered. The Ringer NBA show breaks down the latest and greatest around the league five days a week. Check out the Ringer NBA show on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. My name is Danny Hifitz. I'm joined by my co-host here on the big board. Danny Kelly, what's up, D. What is up?
Starting point is 00:00:24 It is draft week, baby. Finally. We're recording this on Monday. First round of the drafts Thursday. It's time. Let's just figure out what the hell is going to happen. All right? I'm tired of all this going to.
Starting point is 00:00:34 going on and it's like, here's who should take it. Let's just, we're going to go through today and we're going to figure out as best as we possibly can what is actually going to happen in the first round on Thursday. Are you down? We're going to be very accurate, I think. So here's the thing, though.
Starting point is 00:00:50 We have a little twist here, which is have, you know, the Seinfeld episode where George is trying to break up with, I think her name's Mora? And he's like, I'm breaking up with you and she's like, no. And Jerry's like, what is this? Like a submarine, like you both have to turn your keys? And George is like, turn your key,
Starting point is 00:01:08 Maura, turn your key. Well, then I am going to have to ask you to turn your key. I'm sorry, George, I can't do that. Turn your key, Maura. Turn your key. That's what we're going to do here with this mock. It's not like, I'm going to make a pick, and the
Starting point is 00:01:24 D.K's going to make a pick. We both have to agree that this makes sense. We both have to turn our keys. And D.K., you know what's going to happen if we can't agree? we're going to test the strength of our relationship I think that's exactly what's going to do what do we do if we come to an impasse here
Starting point is 00:01:42 this is going to be bad content someone's got a budge I don't know really pissed at each other the whole time I don't know we'll find out how aggressive and more passive aggressive this exercise gets yeah that's that's it so that's literally the rules just check out NFL draft dot the ringer.com
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Starting point is 00:02:31 do it. You can either skim, peruse, or deep dive. And there's emojis. It's fantastic. If you want a lot of information, you can get it. If you want some information, you can get it. It's good. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:02:41 All right. So with all that, let's just jump in here. So we're going to go through the 32 picks and we're going to figure out, again, not what we want to happen, what we actually think is going to happen. So with that sense. Shit. We just turn our keys here. He has their playbook.
Starting point is 00:03:00 He's the number one pick. So one of our producers here, Arjun, just asked the real question here, which is, do you think the Jaguars take the full 10 minutes to make the pick?
Starting point is 00:03:08 Oh, yeah. They're absolutely going to be insufferable. This happens every single year. Like, even when it's 100% certain, they've already, like, I mean, I feel like they could already signed him and they're still going to take the 10 minutes.
Starting point is 00:03:21 I don't think they will. There was one year, Goodell, like, actually said, and I have the pick and everyone, like, roared because it was just complete pandering. I'm serious? I don't remember that.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I think Goddell works out. I think Goddell works out. has the pick. I don't think they take it down. Anyway, can we turn our keys here? I doubt it. Yeah, we'll turn the keys. Okay. Jets. Zach Wilson, uh, are we turning keys here? I mean, yes. I think there's, I still think there's like a very small chance that it could be a complete surprise curveball, but no, I think it's going to be Zach Wilson. It seems, uh, beat reporters seem pretty much in consensus that this is the pick. I haven't seen any indication that it's not the pick. Have you? I have not. I was, I was kind of waiting for this week,
Starting point is 00:04:01 someone to just something turn, actually they're waiting for fields. Nothing has come out. It is at this point just pure contrarianism on my part to think I will turn my key at Zach Wilson to the Jets. I feel, so just my hot take is there should be more discussion here why the Jets are not
Starting point is 00:04:18 taking fields and they're taking, why we've all kind of assumed it's Zach Wilson and why are we not having this discussion? But, you know, I think at this point we kind of have accepted that this is the pick, so we'll just go with it. It's such a fertile take round. that the fact that it's not out there yet, to me, means it's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Before we get to the 49ers, and this is a good segue, I think, is like, you almost have to give you give the Jets credit for this not being a bigger storyline. Everyone sort of accepted that at Zach Wilson and people are fine with it, whereas everyone is pissed about the 49ers who might be taking Jones. They might be taking Tray Lance. They're probably not taking Justin Fields. And we've spent the last month talking about the 49ers when no one's talking about the Jets. You almost have to give the Jets credit for sort of just like flying under the radar.
Starting point is 00:05:08 A little massaging of the merit. Pun intended. Pun intended. Yeah. Ha, ha. Wow. Jets, well done. All right.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Let's turn with submarines and up planes. Turn the, return the keys on Zach Wilson. Niners, number three. We have to talk here. A lot of like hype this morning. This is Monday afternoon. Did you see Kyle Shanahan at the press conference today? and someone asked him who will be on the roster
Starting point is 00:05:29 Sunday and he said he said I can't guarantee anyone in the world will be alive Sunday so I can't guarantee who will be on our roster on Sunday. E.R.Bs. Yeah, he you're the nihilist here. How do you feel that Kyle Shanhill and Shanhan's also a nihilist? It kind of, I kind of
Starting point is 00:05:45 like it. It's almost like making me want to be a fan of 49ers because he's just like embracing the uncertainty of the human condition. You know, it's just like, I don't know what the hell is going to happen. We could all be dead. There could be an asteroid that hits tomorrow for all I know. Why do we have to worry about this?
Starting point is 00:06:02 Do you want to just end the podcast? Yeah. All right. Well, we got to do something here. So, okay. So Peter King wrote this morning for a pro football talk here that quote, hearing it's a two horse race with Trey Lance and Mac Jones, unquote. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:15 And then basically many other people are reporting this. Todd McShay at ESPN wrote that it seems that Kyle Shanahan wants Mac Jones and the Niners scouting department or personnel department, leans toward Tray Lance. Yeah. I feel like that means it's Mack Jones. Because Shanahan has the ultimate.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Shannon's in charge there. We talk about this a lot. Some teams, the coach is in charge, some teams the GMs in charge. Kyle Shannon's in charge of the Niners. He is the decision maker, at least for this pick. The key point here,
Starting point is 00:06:44 I think, is that they haven't made an official decision, which absolutely blows my mind. I mean, so like, Hyphids, your hot take has been throughout this process that they traded up to three. and they had they did not know who they were going to take and in fact
Starting point is 00:06:59 Albert Breer wrote this morning he can see I he says quote I can say without any doubt that the Niners didn't know who they were taking when they made the trade up in late March to me this is I said this on our show on the rear fantasy football show last week you made fun of you mocked me not a mocked that you actually I can't I cannot abide this this this type of decision making blows my mind it is absolutely like incompetence the fact that you would trade two future first round picks and a future third, you're basically mortgaging the future of your franchise
Starting point is 00:07:31 and you don't have conviction on one guy, you don't have the conviction to say, this is a guy that we think is going to change, this is going to make us a Super Bowl team, this is going to be the difference maker we need. They're just saying, we need a quarterback. I think it makes sense, though. It's kind of like you're going to get,
Starting point is 00:07:46 someone's like, you're going to get ice cream, and it's like there's two or three flavors you really want. And if you don't have one of those two flavors, you're not really disappointed. But as long as you're getting, for ice cream. What? This is like a little bit more important than going out for ice cream.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Yeah, but everything in life seems to scale down to very small. The higher up you go, it's like, it's all the same, really. The nihilism thing, like Shanahan saying, I think we could all be dead by Sunday. I can't guarantee anyone's even going to be alive. Like, this is starting to make some sense. Like, if they have a nihilist attitude about this, they're just like, we'll take whoever. We just don't want Jimmy G. To your point, though, I understand it's more complicated than getting ice cream.
Starting point is 00:08:22 I watched the Oscars last night, and I don't remember. which director said this. I want to say it was David Fincher, who said that basically there's a hundred ways to shoot every scene, but really there's only two. It's just, it's not, it's crazy. Anyway, the point is,
Starting point is 00:08:38 I think it's Mac Jones. I think that that's where we've landed. It comes down to preference, and whatever we think, we have talked ad nauseum about what we think about this, but here's what it comes down to. It seems that teams have doubts about Justin Fields's throwing mechanics or whatever,
Starting point is 00:08:53 elbow throwing as Chris Sims would say and I just think that Kyle Shanahan seems to prefer Mac Jones as his control around the field so to speak? So I have I put a new mock draft out this morning. I have Mac Jones in this spot.
Starting point is 00:09:09 But after reading everything and listening to everything this morning, I'm starting to believe it's Tray Lance. I'm starting to think that it's not going to be Mac Jones. So Adam Schaefter has been like the loudest voice that said basically in this whole time has been like it's Mac Jones. I'd be shocked.
Starting point is 00:09:24 I believe he said I'd be shocked if it wasn't Mac Jones. On his podcast this morning, Schefter said a 49ers moved up with the idea of taking Mac Jones at three. But over the last like month or whatever of evaluating and going through their due process on all these quarterbacks, Trey Lance just feels they went to the pro days, all that stuff. It's been quote, it's made, quote, the decision much tougher than they expected it be and they're still going back and forth.
Starting point is 00:09:50 So, I don't know, it feels like Schifter's a little backtracking a little bit on like his initial strength of like it's Mac Jones. We're getting more and more indication that Trey Lance is in the running. I'm thinking I might change my pick to Trey Lance here. I was going to turn my key for Mac Jones. Yeah. Are you willing to turn it for Trey Lance or do we, are you feeling, what conviction do you have? Do you have more conviction than the 49ers here? I think they will take Mac Jones.
Starting point is 00:10:20 I don't have strong conviction, so I'm going to go with you on this one. I'm turning my key for Mac Jones. Will you turn your key? Yeah, I'll go with you on this one. Okay. Wow. So it's Lawrence to the Jags, obviously. Zach Wilson or the Jets.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Mack Jones to the Niners. What a world we live in. Okay, so this is the Falcons. This is also a pivot point in the draft. We know whatever happens. It's going to be quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. This is also where a lot of mocks fall apart because the Falcons. Are they going to go quarterback or position player?
Starting point is 00:10:48 Let's just start right there. I feel based on everything we know, they're probably not going to go quarterback. The logic for quarterback is like, well, they won't be this high again, and it just seems like that's not how they're thinking. Right. I think they're going to take a position player.
Starting point is 00:11:02 Can we agree there? That's where I'm leaning. Yes. I think that there's a small chance, and I saw Todd McShay from ESPN, like, threw this out there, that the wild card is Arthur Blankets involved and steps in and says,
Starting point is 00:11:13 hey, let's take a quarterback. This is for the good of the future of the franchise. But I've sort of been leaning very ever so slightly that they're going to take a position player because I think they're a good enough team with a good enough roster to be competitive this year, especially if they add a dynamic talent
Starting point is 00:11:30 at this number four spot. And so I think as a new coach, new GM, they're going to want to hit the ground running. They're not going to want to do like a multi-year rebuild. Or at least that's like I'm projecting that on to them. This is what I would do. So I don't know. I think, yeah, I'm going to lean, not quarterback.
Starting point is 00:11:48 I think they're going to take a position play. I think they would like to trade down, but ultimately I don't think they're going to be able to. And so I think they take Kyle Pitts. That's where I think this is going. This is the best guy out there. He's the Julio Jones-like receiver in this draft. Jamar Chase is great too.
Starting point is 00:12:02 But Kyle Pitts is the guy that completely unlocks what their offense is able to do. Arthur Smith is an offensive coach. I'm turning my key on Kyle Pitts at four. Same. Turning the key. Bang. All right. Bangles at five.
Starting point is 00:12:14 This one's also confusing. So basically it's like there's Penae Sewell, and then there's Jamar Chase at this spot. Yeah. If I'm in charge, I saw the photos of Joe Burroughs the eight-inch scar on his knee. And I'm like, you should probably draft the tackle who's been compared to Jonathan Ogden, in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:12:32 But if you put a gun to my head, I think it's Jamar Chase. I'm not willing to turn key yet. What do you think? So I'm in the exact same place as you. I've gone back and forth of this. I don't know. I think I've decided that the best move and the smartest move for them would be to take Sewell.
Starting point is 00:12:48 And the reason in my mind, is that the drop-off from Sewell to a early second-round tackle is bigger. It's like a wider delta than the difference between... Math guy now? Wider delta? I don't even know, like, yeah, is that... Am I using that correctly? It's a wider...
Starting point is 00:13:07 The other guys could be worse. Yes. Then going from Jamar Chase to like an early second-round receiver. I think there's some very... In other words, there's some talented second-round receivers in there. Wider delta. What is this? Like a river system?
Starting point is 00:13:20 One guy's the Nile and one guy's like the Colorado. Yeah. So I think if I was in real life, if I was the GM here, I would probably take Sewell. But I think I'm exactly on the same way Blake as you. I think that the Bengals are going to take chase here. I think Jamar Chase is the pick. This is what we've been hearing. There's reports here.
Starting point is 00:13:42 This is what the, I guess, like, that's word on the street is that they love Chase. And I just think ultimately that's what they're going to do. And then they can pick like a offensive lineman in the second, third round. They can rebuild their offensive line that way. But I think they see this guy as like a game changer. It sounds like Burrough has been like lobbying for it with with, you know, the coaching staff, GM, the ownership, all that, like get this guy here. He's going to be a game changer for us, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:14:09 If they get Chase, they're going to have Chase T. Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Joe Mixon in that offense. I don't think Burroughs lobbying means anything. But I do think the interesting about the Bengals is that they're running. by Mike Brown, who's just like the most, it's like the Bengals are like the smallest shop of the NFL teams. And so you can like,
Starting point is 00:14:26 maybe the most involved owner in the drafting process, probably even more so than Jerry Jones. And like Peter King pointed out that Peter King started out as a Bengals reporter and he pointed out you can look at the last 30 years of like Bengals drafts and like they draft receivers high back to back years all the time.
Starting point is 00:14:42 The fact they drafted T. Higgins with like the first pick of the second round last year does not mean they will not go a receiver again. They've actually done that multiple times. And that kind of convinced me as like the last final straw. I'm turning key for Jammar Chase. I'm watching. I like it. Yep.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Little Larry Fitz. All right. So it's Lawrence to the Jags, Wilson to the Jets, Mack Jones to the Niners, Kyle Pitts to the Falcons, and Jamar Chase to the Bengals. Let's go to the Dolphins at six. I have no idea, man. I feel like at this point, it's the two Bama receivers left.
Starting point is 00:15:12 It's Jalen Wilder or Devante Smith. I have no idea. What do you think? Yeah. So I think, look, the initial reaction to, the trade. So they basically they traded off, traded out of the number three spot to number 12. And then almost immediately traded with the Eagles from 12 to 6. And the idea, I think, in the initial reaction was they want to go back to 6 because it's a position where they have
Starting point is 00:15:34 a lot of leverage. They can get one of the top playmaking pass catchers in the draft of either Kyle Pitts, Chase, Devonte Smith, or Jalen Waddle. Like one of those guys are going to be there. We know that for sure. We want one, we want a game changing like, you know, playmaker whatever. But I think the question here, the big question for me now is if Sewell is on the board here, will they take a tackle or will they go with like what we thought was the original plan, which was to grab one of these playmakers and kind of like, you know, do exactly what I guess what the Bengals are trying to do, which is like make their, their offense like as much of a powerhouse as possible to take the pressure off of their quarterback. And Tua definitely needs that.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Tua needs more talent around him if he's going to make a big jump in year two. So at the end of the day. As much as I love Sewell, as much as I think it'd probably be the smarter move. I've got Sewell higher on my board. I think it would probably be a smarter move. However, I do think it's going to be Jalen Waddle right here. Jalen Waddle. So the irony is that Devonty Smith and Jailin Waddle both were asked Mack Jones or Tua and they both were like Mac Jones. And then now one of them might go play with Tua, which is absolutely hilarious. A little awkward. A little bit, a little bit, a little bit. So I am totally up in there. I could see it as any of those three dudes. If you feel it's Jailen Waddle, I will turn key for Jailen Waddle.
Starting point is 00:16:48 So here's why I've talked myself into Waddle. Apart from the fact that this is sort of like the prevailing consensus is that Waddle is the guy here is if you look at this offense, they have Devonte Parker, Preston Williams, and then they signed Will Fuller to a one-year contract and free agency. And then they have Micahisiki kind of like in the middle of the field. If you look at this offense, like Waddle would really good compliment to that skill group
Starting point is 00:17:13 because he's the kind of guy who can move around the formation. He can get, you know, get yards after the catch, do all that stuff. He brings an element of speed that is very attractive, I'm sure, to the dolphins.
Starting point is 00:17:24 And adding him and together with an offense with Will Fuller is like immediately you're one of the fastest offenses in the NFL. Couldn't you argue that also that getting Will Fuller and free agency is also kind of planning to not take a waddle in the draft?
Starting point is 00:17:38 I would say that if they had signed him to a multi-year deal, but it's a one-year deal. Yeah. It's one of those things where this is a, I think the, if anything, the Fuller is a, it's like a hedge for them not having to take a receiver or not having to take Waddle.
Starting point is 00:17:53 But at the end of the day, like I said, I just think this is going to be the pick. I think they like the speed element. They think he can be a Tyree kill type field tilter for their offense and really take some pressure off at Tua, make defenses respect the deep ball a little bit more, open things up underneath, help things with their run game. I think overall they see this guy as a, you know, a game changer from the sense that it changes the way defense is to defend them. All right. I'm turning my key for Waddle.
Starting point is 00:18:18 You turning your key? Turn your key. Let's do it. All right. Let's do it. Boom. Okay. Lions at seven.
Starting point is 00:18:24 So Albert Breer at money at SI wrote that the lion, quote, the lines of the team in the top ten hungriest for a trade down. End quote. So they're hard to read. They have a new coach, the guy who Dan Campbell who did the kneecap biting and taking to take hunks out of you. I love that speech. New GM. New advice.
Starting point is 00:18:40 They have like a whole new brain trust in Detroit. Yeah. Hard to read. What do you think they're going to do here? Yeah, I think they're Yeah, they're one of those ones Because it's very difficult It's very difficult to want to figure out
Starting point is 00:18:51 Because they could take a quarterback Or they could trade back It's like one of those situations where It's there's no way I will not turn key in quarterback here Why do you feel so strongly? They traded for Goff That should be your argument for them taking a quarterback
Starting point is 00:19:05 No, the new GM came from the Rams The new GM from the Lions traded for the Goff because he still believes in golf I don't think they're going to take a quarterback here And also I don't think they'd be the hungriest team to trade down if they wanted a quarterback. So I think they're going position player.
Starting point is 00:19:17 I think that if you just look at the kind of guys they hired, I think of two things. One, I think that Michael Parsons for Penn State, even though I don't actually like him as a prospect, I think makes sense just for the mentality of player that they seem to describe, like ethos of the city and like tough, hard-nosed football. I could see them in Chris Bealman, who was a linebacker.
Starting point is 00:19:36 I could see him, I could see the Lions just trying to take a linebacker with that first pick to establish an identity, so to speak. Right. I also feel like I feel like they also could just take Sewell if they can't trade down here. Yeah, yeah. Are we going to do trades here?
Starting point is 00:19:53 I think we can say we're allowed to do trades. I think that if there's going to be a trade here, it's the Broncos trade, a mid-round pick, like a third or a second to just move up two spots and get into this spot. That's the TMIC happening. I feel like didn't we hear something like the George Patton, the George Peyton.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Peyton, sorry. There's no. why it's fine. General Pat, yeah, yeah. So George Peyton, I believe he said he has yet to call teams to trade up. Yeah, that doesn't. That's bizarre. That's the one thing that's screaming up here.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Yeah, that doesn't mean they're not going to trade up, but it would be an indication that they're not looking to. I think we should, like, honestly, like we can do this now or we can do it later. I think the Patriots are trading up. And I think this is a good spot to do it. So do you think they're calling a seven? Who are they bidding against? That's my question for you for the trade up here.
Starting point is 00:20:39 They're bidding. And we can take some time here. Well, you know, theoretically, they're, bidding against ever, but we kind of just establish maybe they're not. So that's the thing. George Payton said they haven't had any calls. Now, on one hand, why should we believe him? On the other hand, I kind of believe him. And so a lot of these deals, the frameworks of them are made
Starting point is 00:20:55 beforehand. Like they're discussed over time. And then when they're actually on the clock, they're hacking over like a third rounder here, a fifth rounder at the end. Like the 80% of the deal, the broad outline is kind of established. And then it's kind of like last minute hacking. Again, kind of like fantasy football sometimes. You don't just do a blockbuster in like 10 seconds. seconds. So if the Broncos haven't really seriously discussed moving up, it kind of makes me think they don't love these guys. You know what I mean? And we can take about his word for right now. And if Broncos aren't going to move up, who are the Patriots bidding against? Because the other
Starting point is 00:21:26 teams here, the Panthers just had Darnold. I don't think that they're bidding. The Cowboys have DAC. They gave DAC a lot of money. The Giants are all in Daniel Jones. The Eagles have Jalen Hertz and maybe could, but Jeffrey Lurie, the owner of the Eagles says they want to give Jailen Hertz a shot. The charges have Herbert. The Vikings are locked into Kirk Cux. the Patriots are 15. I don't see who the Patriots are bidding against. You know what I mean? Well, in theory, they're bidding against the Bears, Washington,
Starting point is 00:21:55 and any other team, like maybe Pittsburgh, a Dark Horse team that could come up very far. So what they're doing is they're bidding to get ahead of these other teams that could be trading up. However, I'm kind of with you. The more we talked to, the more I think actually that might be too big of a jump, like a bridge too far for the Patriots. You know who I do think could trade up here?
Starting point is 00:22:11 and I think it's actually pretty realistic is the Chargers. If Sewell falls past Miami, I think the Chargers, everything that we've been hearing is the Chargers love Sewell and obviously getting him back with Justin Herbert, give him like his blindside protector for life or whatever. It makes a ton of sense. The Chargers are basically a Super Bowl roster. They have, they're like a left tackle away from being a legit Super Bowl roster, like in theory. You know, it's the Chargers, but still, I kind of want to have the Chargers trade up right.
Starting point is 00:22:41 here. I can mess with it. Yeah, actually, I'm down with that. I'll turn key. So the chargers, the chargers are at number 13. According to the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, which is, it's just a baseline. There's about a 450 point difference, let's say, between the Detroit spot and the charger spot seven and 13. The Chargers second rounder could get this deal done. Yeah, I'm down with that.
Starting point is 00:23:07 And their second round pick, move up to number seven, take Sewell, be set. for the next five, seven, ten years, left tackle, reunite Herbert and Sewell. I think it just makes too much sense. And I think Detroit, like I said, I think you said, like, Detroit is looking to, like, set the foundation. They're going to want to get a few more picks.
Starting point is 00:23:25 I think they're in a great spot to trade back. And they don't trade back that far. I mean, at 13, they're still there to get some really good players. So, okay. So lines of the seventh pick traded to the charges for the 13th pick and a seven and a second rounder, chargers take Pinaisouille, left action. Morgan. Best tackle in the draft. I like it. Turnkey. Let's turn key.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Let's do it. Click. Click. Yeah. Click's cute. What happened by blue. I guess it's better my poop or whatever it is. Okay. Panthers are here at eight. Yep. Everyone wants to trade down. I don't think anyone can trade down anymore. Honestly, maybe the Patriots will move up at some point for one of these dudes because Lance and Justin Fields are still on the board here. The Panthers had all defenders in the draft last year. Literally the first time ever in NFL this week, took only defenders in the draft. here's my question or here's i'm going to give you a fact and then i'll ask you what this means do you think it's notable that the team has an officially acknowledged or reported that they're picking up darnell's option for 2020 does that keep them in the running i think it means nothing
Starting point is 00:24:25 i mean nothing you just don't give out a free piece of information to your competitors ahead of time but i think it means nothing they telegraph i think that darnell trade was a telegraph they paid a second rounder for them they're going to pick up because here's if they draft a quarterback you still have to pick up the option because if they draft a quarterback then what the hell did you give up the second rounder for Darnold for. To have one year of a good backup, it doesn't really make sense to me. And if you want to be like, oh, we'll throw Darts at a quarterback. Could they still take a quarterback?
Starting point is 00:24:49 Yes. But I just don't know what's going to happen. You're talking about the owner, David Tapper, hedge fund guy. That would be a good hedge. I mean, you're getting Darnold this year. You're getting Darnold this year. If he pans out, that's awesome. You could either trade him or keep him.
Starting point is 00:25:05 And then obviously, if you take, say, Trey Lance here, he needs a year to sit behind, you know, Darnold, and then you have a good problem that you have two good quarterbacks. I don't think that's going to happen, but I'm just, I'm just saying, like, that's, if you're in the room, my honest belief is the Panther Scouts compared notes with the 2018 evaluation of Darnold and decided that Darnold was rated higher than whatever quarterback would be available at this number eight pick. So why not just trade a second rounder for Donald? That's the, and they're like, well, the Jets suck and they ruined him. He's the same player. Let's just take the second round of frame. And he's also like the same age as some of these
Starting point is 00:25:41 quarterbacks. Exactly. I think gun to my head, I think this is, I think this is Rishan Slater, Northwestern. Just another tackle. What went wrong with Donald was protection and they're going to protect them. That's my, that's my. So, but I'm not sold. Yeah, I mean, I guess like, yeah, I think there's a chance they look to trade back. Um, but I do think all things considered, yeah, Slater is going to be highly, highly rated on their board. Some people, I've heard that there's reports been that he's actually higher on some boards than Penny Sewell, which is kind of crazy. But yeah, I'm going to go with Slater. Actually, this is who I had my mock this morning.
Starting point is 00:26:16 So let's just do it. Turnkey. All right. Slater to the Panthers turnkey. Okay. Broncos are here. Two quarterbacks are still on the board. Trey Lance Justin Fields.
Starting point is 00:26:24 What do you think happens, D.K.? I think they're going to take Trey Lance. So I don't know, have like a strong opinion on why they would lean Lance over Fields. but for whatever reason. Maybe it's just like all the, I guess like the hype or whatever that Lance is falling. Teams aren't seen him, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:45 as highly talented or like as much of a can't miss prospect as a lot of draft Twitter like me sees him. I guess maybe that's why, but I just think it's going to be Trey Lance. I think I've heard, you know, sort of like the word on the street is they like Lance a lot. So they did go to his pro day. And they have Locke,
Starting point is 00:27:04 So they can do like a, they could do like a legit competition this year. And if, if Locke wins, that's great, whatever, then they have Lance sit for a year. If not, then, you know, they have Lance. So I think it's-part of me thinks Trey Lance could slide out of the first round, but part of me wants to turn key right with you right now and just say Trey-Lans to the Broncos at 9. I kind of think you're right. He's definitely not falling out of the first round. I think, I will turn key with you right now, Lance to the bank goes.
Starting point is 00:27:27 All right. Okay. That brings up down. This one should be easy. Patrick Sertain, cornerback from Alabama to the Cowboys. Yes, it's chalk, but I mean, they definitely need it. They gave up in a million yards, a million touchdowns last year. Certain is, in my opinion, the best corner in this class, length, speed, athleticism, everything.
Starting point is 00:27:49 Yeah. All right. Let's turn key here. Cowboys, Patrick Certain. Done. Giants are number 11. Okay. This is immensely stressful.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Are we getting into trade back territory for the Giants yet? No, no, no, they're not going to trade back. Dave Gettleman said, oh, I've tried, but like, you know, no one get fleeced. It's because, look, Dave Gettleman is Lucille Bluth, RIP, Jessica Walters. Dave Gettleman, he's a good scout and a terrible manager. He doesn't want to price anything. It's just like, how much could have banana cost? $10?
Starting point is 00:28:20 Dave Gellman's like, how much defensive tackle cost? $23 million a year for Leonard Williams? Yeah, he does no idea. It's like they're paying Kenny Gowaday, $19 million a year, like the eighth most money for a receiver in a year where all the receivers didn't get paid very much money at all. It's like he's just in his own world, price-wise. So the idea of trading down is ridiculous, quite frankly.
Starting point is 00:28:42 It's just, I don't think that. There's five other teams that want to trade down. The idea of Dave Gettleman getting the lowest, sorry, I just opened a vein. Peter King wrote this morning, quoting him, I've heard Joe Judge loves Devante Smith, the organization likes cornerback J.C. Horn a lot. And Dave Gettelman loves Michael Parsons. I full, that tracks. All of it tracks.
Starting point is 00:29:03 Okay. Yeah. I feel the most infuriating pick the Giants could make is Micah Parsons. Because what everyone says about Michael Parsons, he sees an amazing athlete at linebacker, and he's an amazing pass rusher. But he's not an outside linebacker. He's an inside linebacker. He's supposed to cover people.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Guess what Penn State didn't really have him do? Cover people. I don't really understand how you can be a top 10 pick as a linebacker in the NFL draft or top 11 and not have like established cover skills. this will infuriate me. That's why I'm convinced the Giants will do. Yeah, we got to go at this. I think we do.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Turn K. Micah Parsons to the Giants? Yeah, it makes too much sense. I just, it will bug me, and that's why it will happen. Eagles, I feel like if Devante Smith is there at 12, the Eagles will take Devante Smith. If they don't take him and he's there at 12, there's going to be riot. Like, the Eagles fans will be irate. This is the one thing. Peter King actually brought this.
Starting point is 00:30:03 up on New York, New York with John Dostremski, which was a good point, which is that the Giants would be letting Devante Smith fall to the Eagles. And also, obviously, Joe Judge worked at Alabama and has, like, Alabama connections. So, like, it would be pretty wild. But I feel like if Devonthe Smith gets the Eagles, it cannot let him go. So I'm willing to turnkey on
Starting point is 00:30:20 Devontersmith. Like, Howard Roseman, straight up, it's not even about football anymore. It's like, he's trying to avoid a storming of the Bastille, but, like, at Lincoln Financial, but he just will be overrun. You can't have Justin Jefferson 2.0 happen right here. They have to take DeVante Smith. I think so. And it makes sense for them schematically.
Starting point is 00:30:35 Like he can play all over the formation. To me, he is more of a number one receiver, a quote, a go-to guy than Jalen Rager, to me is more like he's a field tilter type guy who can like everywhere he lines up. He brings like the threat of scoring, but he's not a true number one where you're going to like win one-on-one on the outside type thing where DeMonte Smith is that guy. So it makes sense like he's going to compliment the weapons that they have with that they have in Philly. he's going to help Jalen Hertz, who, by the way, was DeMonte Smith's cheap teammate for a while. And I think it'll just, it just all makes a lot of sense to me.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Let's recap the top 12 picks so far. We have Trevor Lawrence of Clemson going to Jacksonville. We have Zach Wilson from BYU, quarterback going to the Jets. We have Alabama quarterback Mac Jones going to the Niners. We have Florida tight end Kyle Pitts going to the Falcons, tight end, whatever position he is. Receiver, Jemar Chase, LSU, go to the Bengals. We've got Jalen Waddle from Alabama going to the Dolphins. and then we have the Chargers trading up with Detroit at 7
Starting point is 00:31:33 and the Chargers taking Penae Sewell, the left tackle from Oregon. We have the Panthers taking another offensive tackle over Sean Slater from Northwestern. We have the Broncos sitting spat and taking Trey Lance from North Dakota State to play quarterback. We have the Cowboys taking cornerback,
Starting point is 00:31:47 Patrick Sertane from Alabama. Giants taking Micah Parsons linebacker from Penn State solely to infuriate me. Eagles taking Devonte Smith from Alabama, receiver Heisman winner just to, as you said, avoid stoking a riot or something in Philadelphia. Lions are on the clock after they traded back.
Starting point is 00:32:04 What do you think the Lions would do at 13 DK? This is, yeah, this is tough. So I still kind of think they're going to be looking for offensive line just because of the knee-biting, like, ethos and the toughness. Maybe, do you think that maybe they look at edge or, I mean, I don't think interior defensive line. Interior defensive line is a bridge too far. I think there's not enough guys at the spot to make it worthwhile.
Starting point is 00:32:27 I could see an edge. we've been hearing a lot of buzz for USC's Elijah Vera Tucker. And he's the type of guy who brings the versatility to basically play anywhere on the line other than maybe center. I think he could be a guard and start and be good from day one. He could play right tackle to start out. And then, you know, whether it happens with Taylor Decker long term, maybe move him to less side eventually. But I think it just makes a lot of sense. You know, Dan Campbell, Anthony Lynn, they're going to want to run the ball.
Starting point is 00:32:57 They're going to want to be balanced. They're going to want to protect Jared Gough. I'm leaning Vera Tucker here. Do you have any other guys like in mind? I think Christian Derrissau from Virginia Tech is the other guy that I have in mind. But I think Verit Tucker, just because of his versatility,
Starting point is 00:33:12 his, you know, just technical prowess as a blocker. I think it makes a lot of sense. No, I agree. I think that that makes sense. I'm willing to turnkey,
Starting point is 00:33:20 Verit Tucker to their lines. All right, let's do it. Okay, so that puts the Vikings up at 14. The Vikings are probably pissed because a lot of people have Verit Tucker growing up in Vikings.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Here's my, pitch for you, D.K. Patriots are at 15. I think that teams trading up to seven with the lions was like, it's too far, but I do think 14 is suddenly very in range for the bears to start calling. I think the Patriots, because the Vikings are actively trying to trade down from this 14 spot. We, Albert Pereer and Peter King have both reported that. I think the Patriots trade like a third rounder, move up one spot with the Vikings and take Justin Fields.
Starting point is 00:33:58 Oh my gosh. Just Just to close the door on like the bears or anyone trying to swoop in for Fields. It doesn't feel like a Patriots thing that they would do that, but I do think it makes sense for them to do that. If Fields falls as far, they absolutely got to do whatever they can do to get him 100%. So I guess this is the offseason of Patriots doing things that don't feel very patriotsy. And that would make a lot of sense, I guess, to... They traded up in the first round before. That's true, but it's, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:34:27 It's just like the idea of trading up one. it always to me feels like the team is basically just fleecing you if you trade up one spot they're just basically like holding you hostage and the Patriots aren't a team that would typically fall for that but I agree this is a weird offseason they there's a call to swap they get back like three weird sixth round competitive picks I think they absolutely need to do if this actually happened and Justin Fields is sitting there then they absolutely should do this 100%. So yeah let's do it. I this is a pageant. Trade up, take Fields.
Starting point is 00:35:02 All right. So they trade up to 14, one spot, throw them like a fourth rounder. Turnkey? Yeah. And the NFL gets exactly what they deserve for letting Fields fall this far. This is wild.
Starting point is 00:35:13 That's the thing. So if Fields doesn't go to the Patriots, how far is Fields going to fall? If he gets past the Patriots, which I really doubt will happen, either Washington or Chicago will take him. So can I throw out one team? This is absolute baseless speculation on my part.
Starting point is 00:35:28 But the one team, if you just look at it, the teams that what, basically, what if the Patriots don't want fields? We all assume they do. But let's say that they don't.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Where could he go? The one team that's missing, so there's Washington and Chicago and we've discussed as the Steelers, the other team here, I wonder if John Gruden would have a hard time
Starting point is 00:35:48 passing Justin Fields up in the draft. Derrick Carr has two years left in his contract. Basically no guaranteed money left. They could cut Derrick Carr like tomorrow. Not that they would. He's on a very reasonable deal. It's very tradable.
Starting point is 00:36:01 That's basically what I'm saying. Now, there's not a lot of teams that could really take on Derrick Carr that made sense. The only one that does is Denver and their division rivals. So it never happened. Right. But Derrick Carr is very easily moved.
Starting point is 00:36:11 And I do think that if Justin Fields gets to the Raiders at 17, I feel like there is a very frank conversation in that, in that Vegas headquarters. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of the spot I'm looking at. I agree with you. But I think the Patriots take them.
Starting point is 00:36:25 So we'll turn key Patriots, move up to 14, get Justin Fields. Vikings at 15. What do you think they do here? I think they go. It's funny because I've given, I feel like I've given the Vikings multiple different players and mock drafts over the last few weeks
Starting point is 00:36:38 and they're never very excited about it. I'm going to go offensive line because number one, you know, this is a trouble spot for them. And I think they do have basically a need at left tackle. I think Christian Derosol makes perfect sense for him. So the fact that he falls this far
Starting point is 00:36:56 I think is a great thing for the, the Vikings, I think he's a, I think I have him as my number three tackle in this class. So he's a really good player. This is a steal for the Vikings, especially after trading back one spot and picking up an extra pick or whatever. Yeah, lock it in, Derrissau. I agree. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:14 Arizona Cardinals now up at 16. I feel like if J.C. Horn, the cornerback from South Carolina has fallen as far. J. J. Horen's really popular. I feel like they would snatch J.C. Horn in a second.
Starting point is 00:37:23 This one seems like a no-brainer. I've seen mock drafts. I think Peter Schreger had them trading up for. J. C. Horn and one. He's had him trading up for Waddle also. So I think wide receiver could be on the board here because from different reports I've seen,
Starting point is 00:37:41 the Cardinals still want to keep putting offensive weapons around their quarterback and just get that offense going. Kyler, you know, he's definitely been good as a runner, but he needs to improve as a pass or all that stuff. End of the day, though, they need corners. You know, I think J.C. Horn is a player that's been very
Starting point is 00:37:56 frequently connected to them and it makes a lot of sense. He's a very good player. Okay. So now we got, so we're turnkey on the Cardinals, turnkey on J.C. Horn? Yeah, that one seems like a no-brainer. All right. Raiders at 17.
Starting point is 00:38:09 I would love if they took a quarterback, but realistically, they could, I don't know, what do you think they're going to do? I feel like they could use an edge rusher. Yeah. They really need a right tackle, but Christian Derrissau just went. And this is a very realistic situation for them of needing an attack. Right. And all the good tackles kind of going ahead of them.
Starting point is 00:38:24 So basically them kind of having to turn and take the first edge rusher off the board almost out of necessity though they sign Yonagawa Free Agency. It's kind of crazy to think about that we could get to 17 with zero edge rushers off board. Is that right? Is that right? We've done that.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Yeah, but I think that kind of makes sense. I think it's wildly different grades on the edge rushers this year. Yep. Yep. 100%. Because they all have a strange red flag. You know what I mean? Like Quitty Pay is athletic but has not that much production. Jason away.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Literally had zero sacks last year. like Gregory Usoe has seven games of rushing the passer and then Jalen Phillips is the best talented guy in the class and medically retired. Like they're all just bizarre. Having said that, if the Raiders are going to edge rush here, who would they take? Who are you lean in?
Starting point is 00:39:08 I feel like Quitty Pay to me feels like a Mike Mayock pick. Oh, yeah. I don't know why. I don't know why, but I just feel like he's got the measurables. He's got the athleticism. He's a power player. Put him on that line. with, you know, like he said,
Starting point is 00:39:25 they've had a couple, like, high picks, like, and then a mid-rounder Crosby, who was really good, I think. And then Clemend Farrell, he's been, like, okay, but not great. You get him on that line with Ingakway, and that really, like, turns, like a, what had been a weakness into a very real strength for the Raiders. And in that division, I think you have to have fast-rushers. So I'll go with Quitty Pay here.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I think it's a good call. Okay, let's turn key there and Quitty Pay to the Raiders at 7th, 18, we have the dolphins having another pick here. The Dolphins, so one, they could just go running back, honestly. Najee Harris or Travis E.N. But I'm also wondering if you think they could
Starting point is 00:40:06 take a pass rusher. I think that this could be like the little pass rusher run here. Yeah. I think that this is literally a spot where you could take anybody. They're just, really could just go like a player, best player available. In my mock draft. They really need pass rushing, though. They don't
Starting point is 00:40:22 have much. So, in my last maca though I gave them quidipay so he's off the board now I do think that edge rusher is a option here but I kind of want to give them I kind of want to give him Travis E.TN I think they might do that too
Starting point is 00:40:41 I kind of think they will do that honestly think about just funny you say that think about it think about it from their point of view obviously we know it's a long conversation about how running pack is overrated in the first round, you don't do it, blah, blah, blah. I don't think NFL teams necessarily think that way,
Starting point is 00:40:57 and their history has told us that they don't think that way, always. But think about this. They got Jalen Waddle with their first first rounder, who is one of the most explosive players in college football. And then you add Travis ETN with their second first rounder, who is one of the most explosive players in college football. He scored like 70-something touchdowns. Just gives them an element that basically
Starting point is 00:41:23 no other running back in this class could give them. I don't know. I don't know if it's like the smartest move, but I feel like it's a move that they could make. And I actually, I'm willing to do that with you. I actually think that that, I think that this would surprise people,
Starting point is 00:41:35 but I think it makes a lot of sense for them. All right. I'm willing to do it. Turn key Travis E. E.N. Waddle and E.N. They're fast. Now they're fast.
Starting point is 00:41:43 They got Will Fuller Waddle and E. That would kind of fun. Do it, baby. Okay. So we got Washington at 19 now. I think that all their fans are hoping for a lineman, but Vera Tucker doesn't follow them like everyone wants. So, man, I feel like, could they reach for Tevin Jenkins?
Starting point is 00:42:00 I feel like Tevin Jenkins isn't play for them, honestly. They really need alignment. Yeah, it's all the, I feel like his stock is kind of all over the map. He could be a mid-first-rounder. He could fall out of the first round if things broke a certain way. I doubt that'll happen. I think he's going to be first-rounder. The guy that I've been connecting them to frequently is Jeremiah Usu-Koramoa,
Starting point is 00:42:22 the linebacker out of Notre Dame, who, you know, I think there is, there is some buzz. They like him. He's a very explosive defender, flies around.
Starting point is 00:42:31 I comped him to Jamal Adams. His ability to play in multiple different places. The thing that I kind of like about this fit is, Washington has an elite front seven. Like they have an elite front line. They can keep him clean and let him just kind of like roam around and do his thing. That's very generalized, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:51 it's not very specific. for like their scheme and everything but like his ability like the thing that you worry about the most with him i think is like coming down in the box and having to take on blocks and stuff but like if you have that dominant defensive line a lot of times he's just going to be able to like roam free around there and i think that's his strength that would be a perfect fit for him and you know Washington has that elite front line that front seven but get him in there and he's going to play more like a hybrid safety um linebacker role so you can count him as like the like a backline type guy. I think that would just be perfect to kind of fill out their roster,
Starting point is 00:43:25 fill out that defense, gives them another playmaker. So that's where I've been leaning, but I'm not like super strong on that. I think that makes sense. Fans will be reticent about that because they had his tweener with Suea Cravens, but I think that he's quite frankly, like Ousikoramo is better.
Starting point is 00:43:39 I'm down for that turn. Yeah, that's a different one. Yeah, definitely. Okay, let's do it. It was a quorumoa to the football team. All right, we got the bears up at 20. This is where Kyle Brandt
Starting point is 00:43:49 Last time we did the Like the fan mock Kyle Brand shocked the world It took Davis Mills Davis Mills I love that was just to troll everyone Or maybe it's just him hoping I feel like the Bears
Starting point is 00:44:00 Oh man They need a lot I honestly Part of me is like they cut Kyle Fuller this year And I'm wondering if they go A quarterback or Edge Yeah
Starting point is 00:44:12 So I think this pick comes down to Most of the time I've been feeling that it's either going to be a receiver or an offensive lineman, a tackle. However, you can make an argument for corner, for sure. And Caleb Farley, Virginia Tech, is still out there. And he's a guy that talent-wise is one of the best corners in this draft. But he comes with the injury concerns.
Starting point is 00:44:33 He had a surgery on his back. And it's been a problem multiple times in the past. The teams are maybe going to be very reticent to take a risk on him in the first round. He might follow the first round completely. I don't think he's going to be the pick right here. I've been leaning Tevin Jenkins from Oklahoma at the right tackle spot
Starting point is 00:44:51 give them a guy because like look well actually I think a receiver I think that makes a lot of sense a receiver here could be very good too like Bateman I don't know do you lean one way or another
Starting point is 00:45:02 I think Kevin Jenkins I think Tevin Jenkins makes a lot of sense for the Bears here yeah because look Andy Dalton has as a quarterback has been sort of like the product of his surroundings right like he can play at a high level
Starting point is 00:45:14 when he has a very good team around him and he can kind of like captain that offense, but he's not going to elevate an offense. And so they need to either get some talent, elite talent at receiver and keep batting there or get an offensive line that's going to keep him clean. So that's the two directions they could go here. I like them,
Starting point is 00:45:31 I like them going with Jenkins. He's highly athletic. He's a mauler type guy, you know, at the right tackle spot. He could play left tackle. He has some experience at left tackle, but I think he probably fit best at right tackle.
Starting point is 00:45:44 And yeah, I think this makes a lot of sense. for them. All right, let's do it. Tevin Jenkins are the Bears. Turn key. Key turn. Mm-hmm. All right. Colts are up at 21. I think it's edge. They probably are pissed.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Tevin Jenkins is gone. I think, yeah, I think edge. There's also, it's, I don't think that they reach for anybody, but there's just value here. I feel like they take Jaylon Phillips. Yeah, I was going to say, to me, it comes down to Aziz Ojilari, who's a little bit undersized, but explosive has good length. Jalen Phillips, who is probably the most talented passed rush in this class. But as you mentioned, he retired medically from
Starting point is 00:46:19 football earlier in his career. You know, he's very passionate about music as the other concern I've heard out there that like teams might be worried that he's more passionate and loves music more than he loves football. Like these are all things that we don't know the answer to like teams are going to have to do their digging. Teams care about that stuff though, whether it's fair or not, teams care. So maybe it's, oh, do you think it's O'Jolari then? No, I think it's Phillips. I think they like to, they like to, they like to, take risks on talent. And I think Phillips has talent.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Yeah. I agree. He's the most talented guy. I think, yeah, I think they're looking at it as a top five or six talent and just getting in a minute discount for question. He's,
Starting point is 00:46:57 he's legit a top 10 talent who's going to fall a little bit because of the injury situation. Yeah. Okay. So let's do it. Turnkey. Jalen Phillips Miami Pass rush to the Colts. All right.
Starting point is 00:47:06 22. Got the Titans. Yep. Peter King wrote in this week, I think quote, I think GM John Robinson might have to take two whiteouts who are whiteouts who are whiteout and a tight end the first three rounds of the draft. I agree. I think Rashad Bateman making it to Tennessee
Starting point is 00:47:19 is a gift for them, honestly. I think it's a perfect. I think it's perfect, too. I think they would pull trigger on Rashad Bateman. Bateman. Which is good. Minnesota receivers amazing. So awesome. Yeah, I love this. I love this.
Starting point is 00:47:31 All right, let's do it. Turnkey Rashad Bateman to the Titans. Yep. All right. We're back to the Jets here at 23. This is the pick they got from Seattle. Sorry, D.K. Here's how I look at it. It's, again, it's not like, I think that the Jets could go cornerback here or edge rusher. They signed Carl Austin defensive end away from the Bengals and free agency.
Starting point is 00:47:50 But one, there's the medical stuff with Caleb Farley. I do think all the guys with medical stuff will fall to some degree. Yeah, yeah. I also think that the Jets just need edge rushers more than they need cornerbacks. They really need both. But in Robert Salas defense, again, he had five first round picks in the defensive line in San Francisco. It's not like all those cornerbacks are just magically great for them.
Starting point is 00:48:11 I think that there's a force multiplier of having more good defensive ends and pass fresher. And also I think there's better value here. I don't know. I feel like OJolari probably is the guy here for the Jets. That's who I had in my mind. So I think we're in agreement there. I think that makes a ton of sense. He kind of reminds me of Carl Austin in fact. So that would make sense from their, I guess, like evaluation point of view. All right. Steelers. So let's turnkey. OJolardi of the Jets. Yep. Steelers. I, you know what? This one's tough. I don't think it's smart. I think they take Najee Harris at this pick. I kind of
Starting point is 00:48:45 I kind of do too man and like I think it makes more sense for them to take another offensive lot but I think I think if like what we think will happen here I think it's Nadja Harris to the Steelers yeah I mean in my last mock I had zero running backs going the first round
Starting point is 00:48:59 but I'm beginning to think that NFL teams are going to think differently than I am so yeah I'm gonna I agree with you I think Najee Harris like the way that he plays in the passing game too I think they're going to value that you know especially with like Big Ben in this part of his career where he's going to be checking down a lot.
Starting point is 00:49:15 Relying on that running back as an outlet option, you know, Harris has definitely proven himself in that area. So it makes some sense, I guess, from that point of view. People are going to freak out about it, but yeah,
Starting point is 00:49:27 I can see the Steelers doing this. Okay. Turnkey, Naja Harris to the Steelers. Jaguars are up at 25. So they took Trevor Lawrence with the first pick. Here's the thing. Urban Meyer has said he wants a top four pass rush in the NFL. I believe in for college,
Starting point is 00:49:42 he always wanted a top five pass rush. he also the guy in the front office of the jaguars trent balky also just likes having multiple pass rushers so they have josh allen and they already and they have i'm sorry the guy from lsu i can't pronounce his name kvon chison oh kalevon chason yeah chason great name for edge rusher i'm not a hundred percent sure on that one but yeah well great anyway the point is that they need another pass rusher and i think that it aligns with value and actually what they're looking for which is always kind of what you want to see in a mock. And again,
Starting point is 00:50:14 throwing a third, Urban Meyer said, I think it was his opening press conference. My vision, my dream is always to be the fastest team on the field, end quote. I think that they take a guy here. What do you think of them taking Carlos Basham?
Starting point is 00:50:24 That was a guy who I definitely had on my radar. I think the dark horse here would be Jason O.A. from Penn State. Because he's Tusi and like Irma. Because coaches see guys who, so Jason O.A. Didn't have any sacks last year, which is like,
Starting point is 00:50:36 you know, red flag. But coaches see stuff as like, it's like you're holding a hammer everything looks like a nail. You're a coach. You just see a guy not doing anything. Well, if I was coach you, I mean,
Starting point is 00:50:45 it'd be better. And that's kind of, so I'm between Jason away and Greg Russo here. Because Russo has, again, seven games from like 2019 on its resume and opted out for 2020. But I think away from Penn State actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:58 I think they can afford to, not afford to because they need every, they need good players. But like with so many picks in the first in the first like top 100 picks or whatever, they can afford to take a little bit of a risk here. He's still going to be productive. He was productive, pressures, all that stuff. He just wasn't getting on the board with sacks.
Starting point is 00:51:18 I mean, the dude ran a 4-3 at like 257 pounds. He's ridiculous. And I don't think that's going to get out of the first round. So I think he is the pick here. I do, like, if it's not him, I do think it's going to be defensive lineman, though. I think it makes sense. Okay, turnkey, Jaguars, Jason away. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:51:36 All right, 26, got the Browns. I have no idea. Because the Browns don't need anything. They don't really have glaring holes in this team. Like need need, yeah. They need an edge rusher, but I don't think there's an edge rusher here that's so amazing. They have to reach for one, quite frankly. I kind of like the Zaven Collins one here.
Starting point is 00:51:56 This has been a popular one for me. I'm not sure how Browns fans would feel about that. But like he's sort of an old school guy because he's like 260, 270 pounds, but he can also come off the edge and rush. Big shoulder pads guy. Oh, yeah. And he's like just a playmaker instinctive. You know, he flies around.
Starting point is 00:52:12 Very like good athlete. They can use them in multiple different ways. I think when like this is like exactly what you said is I don't have a strong like view on the position they're going to be looking at. I really think they could take anything. Corner receiver wouldn't surprise me. Defensive line wouldn't surprise me edge. So maybe honestly does that mean it's Caleb Farley? Because he's probably the highest rated guy left.
Starting point is 00:52:34 No, I don't think so because greedy Williams. has been having issues with injuries. Oh, and they take another cornerback. Yeah, hi. They don't want to, I don't think they're going to want to take another corner that has injury issues. So that would be the reason I think you're probably right about that. I think we just,
Starting point is 00:52:50 really, I don't know. I'm just going to go to Zaven-Kon-Kon-Kins because I think he's not going to fall much further than this. All right. I don't know. It's kind of like, to me, it's like he needs to go at some point.
Starting point is 00:53:00 It's like the, the Mel Khyber thing. Just got to get him off the board at some point. Get him off the board. No, I think you're right. Okay, the Ravens. the Ravens. So they,
Starting point is 00:53:09 the Ravens, by the way, they made a big trade over the weekend, traded away Orlando Brown, the right tackle, and they picked up a first round pick
Starting point is 00:53:17 from Kansas City. It's like a, a whole bunch of other stuff involved. Basically, now they have two first round picks. So we got to figure out
Starting point is 00:53:24 what they need, and then we got to figure out the order of which they're going to take these guys. What's your first thought? The Ravens don't look at things the same way other people look at things,
Starting point is 00:53:32 to be clear. Like, you look at the Ravens, and you see a team that, I mean, again, this is... Again, they took Hayden Hearst as a tight end, and then they took Lamar with the 32nd thing. They just... They evaluate guys differently.
Starting point is 00:53:45 Yeah, yeah. So, on paper, they need another receiver, an edge rusher, and a right tackle. But the GM, Eric DeCosta has come out and said, basically, I do not... He says, quote, we've got some really good young receivers. It's insulting to these guys when they hear we don't have any receivers.
Starting point is 00:54:01 It's quite insulting. I'm insulted by it, too, to be honest. End quote. So, there's that. They have taken Markis Brown in the first round. They just signed Sammy Watkins. They have a couple of the really fast guys. They're all young. So I don't know when he says that strongly.
Starting point is 00:54:14 Probably not going to take a receiver in the first round. A lot of people are mocking them Terris Marshall Jr. from LSU. Peter King wrote this week, do not see them taking him. Terrisals falling for, like, health stuff. Yeah. On paper, it seems like they need an edge rusher. But part of me is wondering if they just say screw it and just take Trayvon Merrick and just add another guy to their secondary.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Because he's probably like maybe the best player left. that is definitely that's like that's not really an option I've thought about much but that that would make sense I mean they have such a talent and secondary all the time and they've always they have seemed to rely on like just like guys that can play multiple different spots instinctive players um you know I I don't know this is a really tough one I always have been I've been leaning defensive line with them I think I mean I have two I'm spitballing but I think if they're again they're edge rushers for none of the guys left in their roster the edge rushers had more than three sacks last year I think year. Like they have no, it's honestly, this is probably going to be, if they don't draft a guy in the first round, this will be the worst past rushing group in the history of the Baltimore Ravens. It's not an exaggeration. Let's give him an edge rusher. So the guys who I like here are Carlos Basham, Basham, from Wake Forest, Gregoruso from Miami, who I really can't get a good grasp on like how the NFL feels about this guy. He opted out last year. I think they would go Carlos Basham before they go. I think he makes a ton of. I think he makes a ton of, um, I think he makes a
Starting point is 00:55:36 ton of sense for them because, number one, he's big, he's physical, he's a bruiser. I think he can play multiple spots on the defensive line. He's an elite athlete. He was pretty productive. I think that there's just a lot of things that they would like about him. You know, he plays with his hair on fire, that kind of stuff. Like, he's just, I don't know, to me, he's one of the more underrated players in this draft. I think he's going to be a first rounder.
Starting point is 00:55:58 So that's why I've been pairing with them, but I really, yeah, I really don't know. Let's just go with Basham. All right, Carlos Basham, the Ravens, Saints. The Saints are always a wild card in the draft. They could be, are they going to be the Farley one? Are they going to pick Farley? They're always the team that sort of just like seems to benefit from players falling for whatever reason. I'm torn because on one hand the Saints are always thinking about now and how can they do stuff now.
Starting point is 00:56:23 They also cut Janores Jenkins at cornerback, but also they could also be looking at Greg Newsom, the Northwestern quarterback, who could sneak into the back of the first round. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That would be a good pick for them. No, I think they take Caleb Farley. I think they take Caleb Farley. a really good player. And the Saints just generally
Starting point is 00:56:39 just take really good players, to be honest. Yeah. I think it would make sense for them. I mean, right now they've got, their secondary, at least, is aging. Patrick Robinson, Malcolm Johnson. No, so they don't, so the Saints' problem is that
Starting point is 00:56:52 they have a bunch of, it's like Noah's Ark. They have a bunch of singles. They need pairs. They don't really have a pair, a pass rushing pair for Cam Jordan. They don't really have another interior presence. They have David on Yamada,
Starting point is 00:57:03 who's a good defensive tackle, not really a guy with him. And they have, Marshall and Latimer is a good cornerback, but they don't have another running mate. They need something at like every level of their defense, basically. But Caleb Farley right here is like the best mix of need and value.
Starting point is 00:57:17 My gosh. Yeah, that would be cool. I think it's Caleb Farley. I will turnkey. All right. Let's turnkey that. I bet you he does sneak into the late first. I mean, I've been having a hard time like figuring out where he'll go. He might fall in the second, but some team might. So if you were healthy, he's probably a top 15 guy, but he's not. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Yeah, I think the same thing is. Okay, Packers are 29. Hmm. This one's tough. So I had Elijah Moore as sort of like circled here, but the problem is Packers generally speaking are looking for a little bit bigger guys like at their, especially in the first round. So I don't know if that means. Like bigger receivers or like bigger positions?
Starting point is 00:57:55 Yeah, like a bigger receiver. I don't know if that means they for certain, for certain will pass on Elijah Moore. And I don't think like you mentioned this before. like Terrace Marshall is another guy very much considered for them over the last few months but there's been reports that he has some medical
Starting point is 00:58:12 concerns in the same vein as like the Caleb Farley thing where it might make him fall down boards a little bit. There was earlier on in the process it was thinking, the thought was that he could be a first rounder. Now it's thought is very much that
Starting point is 00:58:23 he's very likely to fall maybe into the late second maybe into the third or whatever because there's these injury issues that teams are worried about. In a year where there's very little information even with the combine medical recheck teams reporting there was reports earlier today that like teams are just like in the dark with a lot of these guys it's very frustrating so like guys with injury concerns could fall further than we even think so keep that in mind with the farley pick but um all that being said i don't i really don't know who they go here i i think that elizha more would be a great fit um but i've seen some pushback from packers fans who think that you know that's not really like their m o so i don't who do you think here
Starting point is 00:59:03 Maybe Newsom. Maybe Greg. This is a good spot for Greg Newsom. I could see them taking Greg Newsom. Yeah, I could. Greg Newsom from the quarterback from Northwestern. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:13 So let's see here. They, they re-signed. They have Jaya Alexander, a quarterback. They have Jaya Alexander, who's a star. And they re-signed Kevin King to, I believe, a one-year deal. But obviously, or maybe, again, did you watch the N.CHAs fans do not. Yeah, Packers fans are not happy about that. If the Packers had more cornerback depth,
Starting point is 00:59:35 they really, really might have won the Super Bowl. The thing about Kevin King, and everyone saw like he had got burned four times in that game. And basically, it's not like any one game has decided because they lost one thing, but defensively that game swung on Kevin King. The problem is not Kevin King.
Starting point is 00:59:49 He had a hamstring injury that week. He gutted out to even play. The problem is the Packers didn't have enough depth to pull him off the field. The fact that he could burn twice and he's still out there the third time, it's an organizational problem. They need to go cornerback.
Starting point is 01:00:02 I think Greg Newsom makes a lot of sense for them. He's a good player. Turnkey, Greg Newsom, the Packers? Yeah, yeah. All right. Cornerback is, Bills, they're at 30. Another team that honestly doesn't really have many needs. But I think that generally speaking, Super Bowl contenders,
Starting point is 01:00:17 you just add pass rushers and you add cornerbacks. And right now, I think the bills do need to add a pass rush. I think Greg Rousseau makes a lot of sense for the Bills. The Miami pass rusher. I think the bills just kind of need a guy like that. Yeah, I think it could make some sense. I struggle with him But yeah, I feel like the NFL is a little bit lower than on him
Starting point is 01:00:36 Than a lot of draft experts are And he could follow the first round But if there's a team that's going to take a chance Because they're very good at coaching up Like their defensive guys getting the most out of them So I could see it Like he's a rare prospect from length power, all that stuff Well, it's weird because he worked really amazing
Starting point is 01:00:53 For the seven games he played And then he opted out in 2020 And it's like There's the old Bill Walshism of like Don't tell me what someone can do or can't do tell me what they can do and also it's like you see someone do it once you can they can do it and so if they see them do it i feel like i feel like he i feel like he'll be a first runner all right greg rousseau to the bills turnkey yeah yeah let's do it all right ravens this is the
Starting point is 01:01:18 ravens again pick the trade chiefs traded for alando brown so ravens are back on the clock here offensive line maybe so they traded apparently after the draft they're going to sign Alejandro Villanova, former Steelers tackle. However, they still need like long-term depth and a long-term starter
Starting point is 01:01:38 there, right, at all at right tackle. So a couple of guys that I've been looking at for that spot, Alex Leatherwood from Alabama. I was also thinking of you. Liam Eichenberg
Starting point is 01:01:48 from Notre Dame is a potential, I think, guy that could sneak into the first round. But I lean Leatherwood just because, number one, obviously battle tested,
Starting point is 01:01:58 you know, played for Alabama, good athlete. He looks the part in terms of like his size and his physicality and all that. I think he could be a real option there. And also don't forget Ozzie Newsom there's like,
Starting point is 01:02:11 because he went to Alabama and he was their GM for decades. And obviously he's not running the team anymore, but there's still a strong connection between the Ravens and Alabama. I could totally see. Oh, so Leatherwood. What an amazing name for an offensive lineman. I love that.
Starting point is 01:02:23 I love that. A plus name. I think Leatherwood of the Ravens makes a ton of sense. I think it does. I do too. I think it makes sense. All right. Turnkey.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Nail it in. All right. Bucks. They could do anything here, really, right? Yeah, I think just straight up they will take probably the player who's like on their board highest. But I think that the question is Christian Barmore from Alabama. He's falling due to what are the concerns? The old, you see, coachable thing.
Starting point is 01:02:45 I don't know if that matters on a team with Tom Brady. It seems like they've transcended the plane of like anyone can do anything. And I feel like the Bucks would almost relish taking a player that the other 31 teams think can't be. Also getting the only good defensive tackle in the draft. I think the Bucks, as much as it's a. Brady team. Bucks are really physical. Like Sue and Pierre Paul and Shaq Barrett and Vita Vaya in the front line, if you were to add Barmore to that and you were able to rotate because again, Vita Vaya, half of it's like, can
Starting point is 01:03:11 they keep him healthy? And if you're able to rotate these guys in, that team is freaking scary. And also, I do think he's the only defensive tackle that could, he might be the only defensive tackle was in the first two rounds, if not maybe the first three rounds. Like, yeah, like, there's just a lot of reasons I think the Bucks would be interested here. If you look at, yeah, I feel like, he's, yeah, I feel like, he's, If you look at history, it's very, very rare for no offensive tackles to come off the board in the first round or even the first 15 picks of the draft. So the fact that Barmore's still out there and I think he's, you know, maybe not the consensus top defensive tackle, but a lot of people would certainly have him there. I think Levi on Uzareke from Washington's another guy that could be a potential option here.
Starting point is 01:03:54 Pair him back up with Vita Vaya. That would be fun. Do you think, oh, wow, you think they would go on Wuzerike? That actually makes sense, too. I think it would make a lot of sense for them. He's a guy who, he played on the nose tackle spot a lot. So he can like play really up on center or whatever if he wants. But he's also, I think he's more naturally like a three tech.
Starting point is 01:04:13 You could rotate him in in multiple different spots, keep legs fresh. Wow. I think it makes a lot of huskies for them. Okay. So I'm down. All right. Turnkey. So Levi on Woosurike to the Bucs 32nd.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Yeah. Let's do it. Amazing. Wow. Turnkey. Wow. Look at that. The last turnkey.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Dude, we did it, man. Oh my gosh. I think this is 32 out of 32, right? We did it. Perfect. 32 teams. Yeah, the Bucks won the Super Bowl. That's how you know. I don't know if you're new to this whole mock draft thing. Yeah. Yeah. All right. What did you learn from this exercise? You've been doing mocks all year. We just did this live unrehearsed. We didn't know what we were going to do. What did you? We got three days till the draft. I can't count days. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. What did you learn doing this little exercise here? I think the biggest thing that I learned is I still have no freaking clue with the 49. managers are going to do. And I think that's a big inflection. It's an inflection. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's the thing. It's a huge like pivot point in the whole draft. So like what happens at number three can change everything. There's like a million different, you know, it's like Dr.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Strange looking at the, looking at the all the different like realities that could happen. I have no idea what's going to happen. If it's Jones or if it's Tray Lance or somehow it's fields at number three, I still think that is just going to be the story of the draft. So that's what that's like my biggest takeaways, I still just don't have any clue what the 49ers are going to do. Well, here's what this reiterated to me. We all think and are hoping for content purposes, I don't know, or just
Starting point is 01:05:38 we're bored, that the Patriots will trade up for a quarterback. The thing I keep asking, who are they bidding against? Washington, Chicago. With getting darnled, Washington, Chicago, in theory. But in reality, it's also, again, if you're trading up for quarterback, you're kind of married to it. Unless you're the Cardinals, and you're going to dump Josh Rosen because you get the first
Starting point is 01:05:56 pick the next year, you're a regime that you're marrying to this quarterback. If Washington doesn't like Justin Fields, they're not going to go up and just marry themselves to him. And I feel the same way about Chicago. You know what Chicago's front office isn't going to do? Screw up a quarterback again. And again, we all like Fields, but it does seem that the NFL is lower on him than
Starting point is 01:06:14 everyone else. So that's kind of my question is, who are the Patriots bidding against? I feel like they don't have to move up significantly. I think that's just Justin Fields is going to fall. I think that will be the story of draft night. Is it Justin Fields or Trey Lance? is going to fall, and it's kind of unfair because the fifth quarterback in the draft
Starting point is 01:06:33 falling to like 15 or 16. Is it really falling? That's still five quarterbacks in the first 16 picks. It's a lot. But we've put so many expectations on five guys in the top 10 that if it doesn't happen, it'll be like some slap in the face.
Starting point is 01:06:46 I feel like two things can be true. Not like you can be taken high and also we're going to freak out and react and act like, you know, Tray Lance or Justin Fields falling to the Patriots 15 naturally or something is going to be outrage.
Starting point is 01:07:00 And we're certainly perplexed by fields of it. But I don't think there's going to have to be a significant trade up to seven for it to happen. Yeah. I think you might be right. Like the Broncos, I can see the Broncos heading off a team at the past, but I don't know. I don't think it's going to happen. I think it'll be a little disappointing on the trade front on Thursday. Well, that was actually one report that Peter King wrote in his thing.
Starting point is 01:07:19 It was like the 49ers gave up so much to move up to number three that it's, it's going to not, it's going to basically other teams are not going to be willing to do what they did. And so there could be fewer tradeups than what we're expecting. So it's going to be weird. We got our fireworks early. Yeah. All right. D.K.
Starting point is 01:07:37 Thank you. And again, we don't even know if anyone of us will even be alive on Thursday. So how could we possibly know what's going to happen, right? Thank you, Kyle Shanhan and Nihilist. Thank you, D.K. Thank you to our producers, Isaiah Blakely and our Juno Ramgo, Pau. Thank you, Devin, for listening.
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