The Ringer NFL Show - The Defining Round 1 Moments of the NFL Draft | The Ringer NFL Show

Episode Date: April 26, 2019

The winners, losers, and everything in between from Round 1 of the 2019 NFL draft. Hosts: Robert Mays, Kevin Clark Guest: Danny Kelly Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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To the bring around NFL show, I'm Robert Mays, joined as always by Kevin Clark. Kevin Hydebite. I want to talk about Daniel Jones for nine hours, ten hours. I'd like to do a full series, like a Netflix, 10. 10-part deal or just me staring near the camera talking about Daniel Jones. I am

completely stunned by it and I know we have to talk about other things, but we'll be talking about those other things with Danny Kelly who is also on the line. Danny,

it feels like Thursday was the culmination of a very large amount of work for you and it went pretty much as expected in a lot of ways. I don't think there are any huge wrinkles

outside of the Giants doing whatever the hell the Giants are doing. Yeah. It got to the point where we kind of expected it, so it wasn't that crazy. But it was pretty crazy. That was the, I would say, the defining moment of the first round. There was, I guess the Kyler Murray ending up going number one thing was, I guess, like, a big relief for me for some reason.

I was really kind of just hoping. I was just hoping that would happen. You were worried about it? You were stressed down about it? I just, I don't know why for whatever reason. If he didn't go number one, it was just going to, like, create chaos. I guess I should have been rooting for that, but for some reason, I was just like, okay, good. That's like what, that's what we thought was going to happen.

So it happened. So do we have one of these every draft? Because last year it was Josh Allen where it was a quarterback. We were all sitting there looking at it. We were like, so he's not very good. And then he goes in the top 12. I mean, last year was seven, obviously this year at six. But is there one of those every year?

Here's the difference. Josh Allen was rumored to be the number one overall pick at one point. He was a first round pick. I understand it. He had the arm strength. He, you know, had some big time throws, you know, against weird competition. But he at least, we, you could see the upper limit to what Josh Allen was. Daniel Jones was ranked number 100 by Danny Kelly only because he needed to rank him in case he was drafted.

I'm probably lower than a lot of, a lot of the draft analysts around. Drew Locke. Essentially, I was ready to make fun. My entire stick on this podcast is going to be who overdrafted Drew Lod. Okay. The Giants went out and just got worse Drew Locke. And then Drew Locke didn't get drafted. At least Drew Locke has some of those traits that you want. I thought Drew Locke would be maybe this year's version of Josh Allen just because he's somebody that has arm strength. You could talk yourself into it. Danny, again, you are low on him. I don't like him. But because you're kind of

the detached analyst here on the draft side, can you at least play devil's advocate and make some case for why this makes any sense? Sure. So, okay, he's a toolsy guy. And it is somewhat similar to the Josh Allen thing in the sense that he's, you know, got the frame. He's got the mechanics. He, like on the hoof, he looks like a pro quarterback in the sense that he, you know, has an adequate arm. You know, he's very athletic. He's actually, he's sort of in that Josh Allen mold in his athleticism. So he can bring that as a runner. But like, overall, he has the tools. that you want from a quarterback.

It's just, to me, the thing that, like, completely, you know, makes me very, very worried about his pro potential is he doesn't throw away with very good anticipation. He's deep. He's inaccurate deep. He's very kind of scattershot deep. And he doesn't react to pressure very well. I just think there's a lot of things that are really working against him. Statistics in college were terrible. I know that he had a bad support system.

But, I mean, man, they were really, really bad. So there's just so many. reasons to be skeptical of his pick. So here's the thing with me. He's not toolsy. I agree with that. His tool is that he looks like a quarterback. That is his skill.

And when I watch this guy, it's not like there are these eye-popping throws that jump out at you like, man, if we can just wrangle this. Josh Allen had that. Yes. And the few games I've watched from Daniel Jones, it's not as if he's got this just cannon arm that you're like, all right, if we just clean some of this stuff up, here we go. But when I'm watching that guy, I'm not looking at a guy where it's like, man, I'm really intrigued just by the skill set.

He looks like an NFL quarterback, and he's boring. These are the things that make Daniel Jones attractive to NFL teams. I mean, Gettleman was talking about how he fell in love with Daniel. I didn't see the presser about it. I was reading about it on Twitter. He fell in love with Daniel Jones based on. on a few telling, I guess, drives in the Senior Bowl or something like that. And I mean...

He said he saw a pro quarterback at the Senior Bowl. Great. I was the seventh round. That's awesome. This is the second straight year where Dave Gettleman has had no idea and no concept of what value is in the draft. He's had two top six picks. He turned it into a running back and a quarterback who can't play.

last year he made fun of the idea that he should trade down this year he took a guy I don't know generously 30 picks to early he could have just gotten in the back end of this first round and just gotten Drew Locke that way and then taking an impact player with the sixth overall pick I just Dave Gettleman

I can't emphasize this enough we talk so often about people who don't know what they're doing but those people actually know what they're doing Dave Gettelman has no idea what he's doing. Hey, by the way, along those lines, let's talk about what they did with the first round pick that they got for O'Dell Becker. Oh, yeah, we weren't done piling on the Giants. Don't worry, I was getting there.

The fact that they traded O'Dell Beckham for what became a 340-pound defensive tackle and Gibreel Peppers, you cannot get any more Dave Gettelman than that. That is just him boiled down to his essence. Like, you know what? O'Dell Beckham, not that great. I want a 340-pound nose tackle. I would be...

You can't even fire him now because it feels like he's got a plan, right? Like, I just... If you fire him now, he's already done all the damage. I'm, like, I'd rather him see this out because he's already done all the damage. And you can't screw anything else up, right? So, God, I just... I mean, they're going to go, like,

like four and 12 for three more years and then he'll get fired. But I'm just saying I'd rather, if I'm John Morris, you can't get O'Dell Beckham back, you can't get the pick that you got for O'Dell Beckham back, it's over, it's all gone. So you might as well just stay with him and, you know, see the car wreck.

And not to be outdone, the Giants who traded away Eli Apple last year decided to trade up from 37 to 30 and then give up with 132 and 142 because the giant are definitely the sort of team that should be making trades up for specific players because they have a ton of talent. Even if you like DeAndre now. Even if you like DeAndre Baker, it's just not a move that smart teams do.

And nothing that they did today are in line with what smart teams do. I want to talk about one more thing regarding this. So Dave Gedlam comes out and says he might sit Dan Jones for three years. Might sit for three years. And this harkens back to something that Dave Gettleman said earlier in the draft process, which is he likes the Kansas City model. Yeah, which is not a thing. Well, no, no, it is a thing.

I mean, it's... But the thing involves having Patrick Mahomes. That's the end result of the Kansas City model. And also, by the way, getting Alex Smith, giving him away and getting a second round pick and Fuller in turn. You're not going to get that for your freelance manning. So you're going to have a bad quarterback and nothing to show for your veteran quarterback. Congratulations to a new Kansas City model.

Dave Geddleman. The Kansas City Chiefs, I believe finished number four in offensive DVOA the year that Patrick Mahomes was sitting on the bench and Alex Smith was the quarterback. They also have a good offensive staff and they're also a good team. Well, yes, but I'm just saying

there's a reason that you sit a guy when you are a playoff team and your offense is very good. That is not going to happen with Eli Manning and this offense this year. The Giants in one season have managed to go from having an offense with Eli Manning throwing to Odell Beckham

to an offense that has, Eli Manning, the six overall pick tied up in another quarterback, and Golden Tate. This is where we are. I would be irate if I was a Giants fan. Let's get beyond the Giants, because we could probably talk about this for way too long. Danny, outside of the New York Football Giants blowing up their entire franchise, what from the first round, let's stick from the top 10. Anything in the top 10 that was truly shocking to you,

I think that the Cleveland Farrell picked by the Raiders is probably the one. that went furthest away from most boards. But outside of that, everything makes some sense, even if Josh Allen to the Jaguars isn't necessarily something most of us predicted. Yeah, the furrow pick was, I think, by far, the most surprising to a lot of people, you know, just because I think most people expected him to be in the teens or maybe in their early 20s. I actually had him number six on my board. I really like him.

I think I was, you know, definitely higher on him than a lot of people. I think he's just a really high floor pass rusher with, you know, a very good skill set. But he doesn't have quite the upside as a lot of these other guys in his class, like the fact that he went before at Oliver, you know, Josh Allen even, is pretty surprising. So that was a big one. I mean, other than that, like you said, it was a little bit chalk. I think Hawkinson going number eight to the Lions, which we talked about the other day, is kind of funny. He has a lot to live up there, live up to there, and is going to, you know, hopefully that he becomes a big impact player because I just feel terrible for Lions fans if they had another top 10 tight end that didn't really pan out for him.

It's a very different player. I mean, he's good enough. I'm high on him. I think he's definitely good enough, but, man, he's got to really be good to, I think, live up to that pick. Yeah, they certainly have ghosts when it comes to top side and tight ends, especially in drafts. full of really good players and really good defensive players especially. So, yeah, that one, again, we saw that a little bit, but I don't think either of us expected it to happen.

Outside of that, though, Danny, I mean, there really isn't a lot of stuff that jumps out. There's a lot of chalk. Obviously, I think Jonah Williams is we thought he was the best offensive linemen in the draft. Both Devons go in the top 10. The Steelers moving up to get Devin Bush, again, not surprising. I think that it's more aggressive than something they would normally do, but in terms of positional needs, yeah. They really needed a presence like him in the middle of their defense.

I love that pick. Like we said it before, like I generally speaking, hate the idea of trading up for any player other than a quarterback, especially in the first round. Like in the second and third round, it doesn't matter. Because you're giving up a lot to do that to that move. And so he's got to be a very, like, he's got to be a huge impact player. But I think he can be. I think he'll be a star.

He has the speed that, you know, he's, I don't know if he's as fast as Shazir, but he's definitely really fast. He's explosive. He can blitz. He can do everything. I think that the Steelers like to do on defense. And so that fit is just perfect for me.

And he's kind of a tone setter and all that stuff. So it's going to be a lot of fun to watch that one, I think. It's worse when you really give up high-level draft assets to do it. Like, for example, the Saints last year going up and getting Marcus Davenport and having to give up their first round pick. That's exactly what I was thinking of. Yeah. The fact that Denver, I mean,

excuse me, the fact that the Steelers gave up number 52 and a 20-20 third round pick to do this, it's much more palatable. It's not debilitating, yeah. The one pick I actually want to get your opinion on that I thought was pretty interesting is I don't know if I saw very many people mocking Josh Allen to the Jags, just because the Jags I think are, and I know that the 4334 distinction doesn't matter quite as much as it used to or might not matter at all anymore, but I always saw Allen as like a prototype 3-4 guy who's going to be standing up. a lot in rushing. So I'm kind of curious how that'll work out.

And if they're going to have him stand up and rush and kind of be like a Sam linebacker on base downs or whatever, like how they're going to utilize him or if he's just going to be a dedicated hand in the dirt rusher because I don't know if that was necessarily like his forte in college. He was definitely more of like a play all over the defense kind of guy. So I'm interested to see how he's deployed there. I'll be curious to see what their plan is long term at that position. If he is going to be a true edge rusher for them, you know, Clayus Campbell

is on the books through 2020, but he's 32 years old. You have Yonnikin Gokwe, who's hitting free agency next year. He's going to get that DeMarcus Lawrence, Frank Clark contract, or the franchise tag. So it just feels like this is a contingency plan for some questionable or some kind of up-in-the-air contract situations at that position for them. For me, it just doesn't feel like, I think when you use a guy with that kind of varied skill set off the ball a lot, you're doing yourself a disservice. I think that's a way to make that guy less impactful. And that's why I just would make him an edge rusher. I wouldn't ask him to do all these different things.

Did you have a favorite pick in the top 10? I would probably say, Ed Oliver, just because if you can get the most talented player in the draft at number nine. And again, the bills are in such an interesting place because they spent a lot of money in free agency this season. Can I ask a question? Do you really think Ed Oliver's most talented? I don't know what talented means.

Just like, I mean, his athletic profile is, I mean, you absolutely could argue he's the most physically talented athlete in the top 10. Danny, do you think that's far-fetched? I'm just looking through it here. I mean, you could probably, you could argue Kyler Murray is like...

Yeah, I was going to say, that's fair. That's fair. But a pound for pound or whatever, it's hard to just... Pound for pound. Because if you look at these other guys, if you look at these other guys,

if you look at these other guys, I mean, Josh Allen may be in that conversation, but, I mean, Nick Bosa is very high floor, but I think pretty defined ceiling. We watch his... ceiling every single week with the Chargers. I think Quinn Williams is a very good player. I don't think Quinn and Williams is ever going to be a dominant player just because, again,

his athletic traits are not there. Cleveland Farrell is the same way. So I just think that Ed Oliver has an upside that not that many guys in the top 10 had. And if you can get that guy at nine, I think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I mean, and it fits, you know, I think they had that need. It fits their scheme. I'm really excited to see if they'll have him kind of rush off a three technique or, you know,

potentially even on the outside, just based on his physical traits. Like if he can play elsewhere from, you know, instead of just being like a two-gapping nose guard or nose tackle or whatever, I'm kind of excited. I'm really excited to see, you know, how he can blossom in more roles in that defense and see, like, how they use him. I just feel like he's a three-technique under-tackle in the NFL. I mean, it's, when you look at a guy like that again,

with just his physical profile, it's probably attempting to say, man, how many different ways can we use him? But I just don't think you get that cute. I think you just put him at three technique. You can tell him get after the quarterback and you just figure it out. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

Is there a pick, Danny, outside the top 10 that was your favorite of the night? Man, that's, I mean, I really like the Jonah Williams pick. Yeah, me too. To the Bengals. I mean, that's a home run for me to them. I think, you know, he, I wrote this in my grades. He could literally be a pro bowler at any position on that offensive line, I think. Like there's talk of him potentially, not from the Bengals,

but there was pre-draft talk of him potentially being a center. He has obviously the skill set to play guard. I think he could be a left tackle if he needed to be. He might not need to start there. This is another one of those. It's just like, let him fucking play left tackle. He's a really good left tackle. I just don't get why this happens.

I'm fine with that. It'll be interesting to see what they do. Obviously, they traded for Cordy Glenn. And so he might not start there right away. But I absolutely agree with you. think he's got a left tackle skill set. I'll say if Montez Sweat is healthy, he's the steel of the draft. You think so?

I mean, yeah. I think he's really good. And I think if you got him at 26 and there's no, I mean, there was a weird report earlier on Thursday that some teams thought maybe there was a misdiagnosis. Yeah, what was that? True. I don't, I don't know. I'm going to, let's leave that aside for a second.

Can I say I like the Redskins draft? Yeah, me too. The Redskins, it worked out very well for the Redskins. So they had to give up the number 46 pick and 20-20-second runner to move up to 26 for sweat. Again, not ideal, but it's not debilitating. And the fact that they could just sit there at 15 and get the second best quarterback in the draft

and not have to worry about moving up, everything else. That is a perfect scenario for that. They did the thing. I talked about this when Danny and I were on it through Silla earlier in the week. They did the thing that the charges do allow was just take the famous guy. Just like take the most obvious pick.

They did that twice with Haskins and then Monta's sweat. It was just, I mean, like, it was, they took the most obvious guy in both situations. Outside of sweat, because he fell a little bit. Is there anyone that went in the range we probably expected that you like, Kevin? I mean, so, Robert, you're the one who doesn't like Nikil Harry. I do not like Nikol Harry. Okay, not even in the Patriots system. I just don't like him very much.

I just think that he struggles to separate. I think he's just not the type of receiver that I like. I am not going to go for the guy who out muscles you and is a contested catch machine in college. I want to see my guys get open first and foremost. And I just don't think he did that consistently. Danny, do you think that's off base? So, no, I don't think he, no, I don't think that's off base.

I don't think he was, you know, a separator or whatever. But I actually think the fit is perfect because, I mean, Brady throws with the anticipation. he's going to throw it up for him. I think Harry has the ability to separate late, use his frame and his size and his hands to win at the catch point. And so I like to fit a lot, actually. You know, it's always a crapshoot when the Patriots pick a receiver. I mean, that's the thing.

The track record is not there. So that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But like I like him, and I think that's a perfect fit for him. So I'm excited to see how it goes. But I definitely am kind of on the same track where I see. what Nikiel Harry like what detractors would see in the sense that you know he's

he's not going to separate and he's not super explosive so I think that's going to be a fascinating one I like the Jerry Tillerie pick for the chart That's my favorite one Yeah I mean that that's exactly where I think we expected him go in that range And it's a perfect fit like on that defensive

line it's he's going to just be able to just get after it I think The sheer amount of pass rushing and explosive talent they have now if he ends up being good with Bosa, Ingram, and him. That's nasty, man. The Chargers keep making picks that I like.

They have not had that guy in the interior in a while. Lejeet's not that person. He's a different style of player. And to have a sudden penetrating defensive tackle, that is just something they've been missing from that defense pretty much for the last five years, this iteration of the defense. There are a couple guys, Danny, here in this list,

that it just makes sense to me in terms of the marriage between team and player and need and range. I think that Brian Burns to Carolina is a perfect example of that. Yeah, I like that. I think that Garrett Bradbury to the Vikings at 18 is a perfect example of that.

And the Bronco is being able to go down from 10 and getting no offense makes sense to me because they really needed some sort of playmaking presence at tight end or just in the receiving core in general. Because you have, Emilio Sanders is hurt. He's coming back from, like a very devastating injury last year. year. You obviously lose Demarius Thomas.

So, I mean, they really did need another presence there. And I think that's exactly what he gives you. So a lot of picks in that range that's just like, okay, I can see it. Andre Diller to Philadelphia is, I mean, it's clearly a Jason Peters contingency plan there. So they're trying to figure out some sort of succession plan at left tackle. The Falcons picking Chris Lindstrom is interesting to me because they spent on two guards in free agency. They got Jamon Brown and James Carpenter. So you pick an into your offensive lineman,

and then they come back at 31 and pick McGarry from Washington. So I thought they would really try to beef up that defense for one more run before these guys have to get paid, whether it's Grady Jarrett on a long-term deal, whether it's Deon Jones contract being up at the end of the season. But they went the opposite direction. They really tried to say, all right, we want our offense to be as complete as it possibly can.

Yeah. They spent a lot, too, because I think 14. felt a little bit high for Lindstrom, especially with the players that were still on the board, including Bradbury, who I'd like a lot. And then they, I can't remember what they spent was like second or third to come up and get McGarry. So, I mean, man, they really, really wanted to bolster that offensive line.

I kind of get it, I guess, because, you know, offensively, they really rely on balance and keeping Matt Ryan clean and all that. But, man, it was, that was kind of surprising. Like he said, I wasn't expecting them to double down on that in particular, especially after what they did in free agency. So let's go back into kind of the Giants mold here with franchises using picks that they got in superstar trades and really deploying them in terrible ways. The Raiders picking a running back with the Khalil Mack first round pick is just a delight to me. It is fantastic. I forgot about that.

It's just, I just don't understand if you're Oakland and you're thinking about what that team needs, They still need so much defensive talent no matter what. I mean, they have stopgap line backers. They could definitely use somebody on the edge. I mean, why not? If you're really scared about the Montess Sweat Health situation, I guess that's why you don't take him there. But I think that we're going to be sitting there in two years being like,

I cannot believe the Raiders are rolling with this past rush, and they drafted a running back in the first round. What team did they think was going to take a running back? I don't know. I really don't know. The Ravens weren't going to, I don't think. The Ravens took a really fast receiver because the Ravens don't do dumb shit all the time.

I just don't, yeah, that one, the value didn't make any sense. If anything, I thought they were going to do that at 27. And to do it at 24, it's just like, who did they think was going to, like, grab him at that spot? I mean, it just wasn't, I didn't get it. And I forgot that that was the pick for Khalil Mac, which just makes it even worse. It's just like, man. Before we move on, let's take a quick break.

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Do you feel like those guys went in the right order? Kind of walk me through those. I mean, Savage, that pick to me was a little bit of a, that was a reach. I had him, I think, like 50 something on my board. I like him a lot. I think maybe I'm going to end up looking back and being like, oh, man, I had him way too low. But they did, I think, trade up for that pick. So it's a big buy.

I like once now that the pick is in, like I like the fit a lot. It makes a lot of sense. I mean, that defensive secondary has a chance to be seriously good. You know, they're young still and they have to kind of figure it all out. But, I mean, you got Adrian Amos, who they signed him for agency, Josh Jones, Jayere Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson. I mean, think about all the, you know, high-end picks that they've sunk into that position group. And I think Savage is sort of, he's like a slot corner slash, you know, slot safety corner hybrid.

Who organizational philosophy and value, they love flexibility and bodies in the secondary. I mean, obviously, you know, Gukuts is there for, this is year two, his second draft, I want to say. But, I mean, he's, he learned at Ted Thompson's feet. I mean, that's a team that has always used a ton of resources and picks on those positions high because they love being able to do a lot of different stuff in the back end. And I think you're seeing more the same. He's a really fun player. I think that I think Packer fans are going to really like him. He's got good instincts.

He jumps routes. He plays downhill a lot. And so he's a really fun player, super athlete. So I don't like hate that pick. The value to me wasn't quite right, but I don't know. It's always so hard to tell that this early. You just kind of have to see how it goes. But I think the player makes a lot of sense and plugging him into that defense is fun.

I loved Rashon Gary at 12, by the way. I love to going to Green Bay at 12. I'm just sitting there like quietly fist pumping. Thank God. Let's do this. I know a lot of Seahawks fans were feeling that too because he'd been connected to the Seahawks a bunch today and yesterday and stuff.

So yeah. And then Abram to the Raiders, it's, I mean, I liked, when I, so I had a bias, I think, going in that he's a box safety and I just don't think that there's that much value in box safeties in general. But when I turned on the tape for Abram, he was one of the most fun players to watch on tape of any player in this whole draft.

I mean, he flies around. He hits guys. You know, he takes personal offense if you try and block him. There was actually, if you go watch the Iowa game, he was like throwing Hawkinson around. And so, yeah, I mean, he's like a really fun. He's like Jamal Adams kind of esk. Interesting. Okay.

It seems like they need a presence like that. They've kind of swung and missed on some safeties as of late. That's, yeah. I wrote it. He's a culture or identity, I think, creator type player. So is Josh Jacobs. I mean, you can see what the Raiders are trying to do. They're trying to get like tough physical dudes on their defense. I mean, that's Mayock. The defense that works for me, the Josh Jacobs thing does not work for me. No, I mean, I agree. But both guys, I think, are sort of identity picks or whatever. One pick that I was surprised by just because it's not a name that had been really mentioned in that range and also went ahead of guys that, I think,

of the consensus was, were better than him, is Titus Howard going to Houston. And I think that probably says more about Joanne Taylor's health than it does about whether Titus Howard is worthy of that pick. So, yeah, that came in late that he had like a knee thing. I didn't think we even knew about it until yesterday or today. And so today being Thursday night. And so, yeah, that was a big surprise that he fell that far. Cody Ford is still on the board, I believe, right?

he didn't get taken in the first round. He did not. I was going to ask you who the best guys left were and who was still remaining at the top of your board. I mean, as we kind of go into tomorrow, spin this forward a little bit. So who are those guys? Cody Ford's one name,

Jewantel was another name, anybody else? For me, Byron Murphy and Greedy Williams still being on the board is interesting. I knew, we knew that like there was a chance that cornerbacks could really fall in this class and that definitely ended up happening. DeAndre Baker, I believe, is the first corner that went off board.

First and only cornerback, which is surprising. I'm assuming the giants were kind of sitting there as the first round was winding down, and they're just like, really? Like, no one's going to take them? With no cornerbacks going, I guarantee you, that's why they were getting on the phone to try to move back up because they just didn't think you'd be available.

And to me, that's actually kind of funny because I think in the last month or so, all we'd heard in the rumor mill or whatever was that Baker was the one who could fall. And so, I don't know, it's just, this is the perfect, like, you know, that's just how the draft goes. That was a big surprise. I thought it was surprising that A.J. Brown didn't go on the first round. I thought he might be a first rounder.

I mean, other than that, it wasn't, like, super surprising. It made sense to me that Marquis Brown was the first receiver to go off the board. D.K. Metcalfe is still out there. But, like, past that, I think coming into the draft, it was pretty clear that the play. the players from about 20 to 65 or 70, it was a big plateau of talent. It really wasn't going to be too surprising if you get guys kind of like, I think Savage is a perfect example. Some people might have had them as a first rounder.

Some people might have had them as a second rounder. And it didn't really matter because there was just a plateau of the, I think, grades that a lot of teams had for these guys. Who, and not even just in terms of value or guys you like, but whose landing spot are you most intrigued by on day two. On day two? Yeah. Like those guys are still left.

Who are you really curious? I wonder where he's going to go. Yeah. So I actually did a two-round mock draft this week. And a couple teams, I think. I think that the second round could be like receiver, the receiver round or some of these guys come off the board. I put D.K. Metcalfe to the Colts.

Wow. Okay. I just think having him paired up with T.Y. Hilton, you give Andrew Luck two really, really good dynamic deep threats. Speed for days. Yeah, and then you get funches over the middle as kind of like just a big slot weapon. So I kind of thought that was an intriguing pairing, and I like Keene Butler with 49ers. You know, A.J. Brown could go to either of these teams now. And so that would be really fascinating, too, because I think he's actually, he's fallen a little bit more than I expected.

So I'm really interested to see where I guess the receivers go. And then I'm just looking at like the board of all the players that are still, you know, out there. Obviously I'm very curious to see where these tackles are going to go and where these corners are going to go because I was expecting them to be first rounders. Yeah, it seems like the Drew Locke thing is really interesting to me. I was about to mention that. Because I think that we're getting it. And so one of the things I think is interesting is that I'm thinking about the Josh Rosen thing a little bit. because if you're one of these teams

who want to trade a third round pick for Josh Rosen, if you're one of these teams is planning for the future, are you thinking about maybe just taking Drew Locke in the second round? I don't know. Maybe. I'm just saying it's the same sort of market, which is like at some point, this is a value.

This quarterback is a value. I think that Josh Rosen is better than Drewlock. I'm not making that comparison at all. What I'm saying is if you're someone like the Green Bay Packers and just like, eh, whatever. I just think you start. thinking about it. The Bengals, for instance.

So that's the class of team that I would be thinking about. It's not the successor. I mean, because Rogers, I've never understood the Drew Locker quarterback to Green Bay thing. Daniel Jeremiah had it, and I wanted the chaos.

You have to pay Rogers for three more years. So essentially, the rookie deal is over for the quarterback that you just drafted. You're throwing away all value for having a quarterback

on a rookie contract if you draft one right now if you're Green Bay. But that sect of teams like Cincinnati, I would throw the bucks in there. I mean, if you're getting him the second round and you're not paying him anything,

it's a possible plan to move on from James Winston after this season if you see that. So I think there are more teams in play for Locke now that he's slipped into the second round than we probably are thinking about at first glance. DK, any other thoughts? Any parting shots here before we... Sorry, I was reading Twitter.

It's 1140 Pacific time in the PM tonight. Who else could have taken a quarterback thing? Because there's the thing. I think right now, the dolphins are the only team, and they might be tanking, that we said, okay, they need a quarterback. But I don't really think any, I'm not really surprised, maybe the Chargers look at it at some point. I think Oakland is the other team. Well, no, I mean, oh, but who the hell knows what they're doing? If they like True Locke, why wouldn't you take him at 35?

I mean, why wouldn't you take him instead of the running back? That's true. If they did, if they liked, then they would have taken him more than Josh Jacobs spot. I just saw a tweet, I'm sorry, I don't know the name in front of me, but I saw like 10 minutes ago that was like the, Raiders sent all their scouts home because they were scared that the Cleland Farrell pick was going to leak. Really? You remember on the top time, they're like, good for you guys.

Are they worried the scouts were going to laugh at them? That's the issue. Yeah, there's not, it's not the word. Someone was like, hey, guys, don't do this. It's not about everybody go home. It's about just general discord because the decisions being made are terrible decisions. All right. D.K., thank you very much.

I don't understand how you're still alive right now, but hopefully you can keep kind of powering through here. We'll be back later this weekend. After a couple more rounds, kind of fly off the board here, we will revisit some of the values that were found on day two on day three. Until then, though, as always, thank you guys so much for listening to Ringler-FL show on the Ringer Podcast Network.

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