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Episode Date: January 27, 2020

We’re live at radio row in Miami to break down the most interesting matchups in the Super Bowl. We analyze how the 49ers will defend the Chiefs’ elite speed, and how the Chiefs will handle the 49ers' relentless run game. We talk Kyle Shanahan’s Belichickian coaching preparation, each team's X factor, prop bets, Miami as a Super Bowl host, and more. Host: Kevin Clark Guest: Danny Kelly and Rodger Sherman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's the Ringer NFL show, part of the Ringer Podcast Network. I'm Kevin Clark. joined today from Radio World at the Super Bowl by Roger Sherman, Danny Kelly. Mr. Robert Mays is traveling. Big Day, two of us are wearing ties, which two, I guess, is the mystery for the podcast. Listener not for the video I am. I was watching on video knows which two. Can we never say it?

Those are the podcasts. I think they'll know. I was not aware that we were going to be on video for this particular podcast. Well, Danny, there's a huge camera here. Well, I realize that now. Yeah. So we're talking about... It's a very bright light.

Also, I didn't bring a tie. Do you own a tie? I do own several ties, yes. I brought ties, and I'm, like, the least put-together person that anyone's ever met. Yeah. That is true. Okay, so we're at the Super Bowl. This is an amazing game.

Can City Cheats against the Sammons Grove 49ers. Media Night is tonight, which is equal parts, instructive, and kind of a circus. But you can... Kind of. Who's it instructive for? Well, you do get to talk to... some of the assistant coaches and guys who don't normally talk get to talk. And if you want to sort of get away from like some reporter who's like dressed as a clown or whatever or some reporter

who's acting like a clown either way, you can you can get away. Those people are near like Jimmy Garoppolo. It's like the one time that talking to like a media member for an serious article is like a preferable option because otherwise you're talking to like someone who's like trying to ask you questions at a foreign language about like, I don't. don't even know what. The best media night story I have, and I didn't even involve me. It involved you guys, two of you, where Eagles kicker Jake Elliott took his credential off and just started walking around with you guys.

Because he didn't want to be asked any questions, so he just pretended to be a ringer staffer. And he was like a 5-8, you know, 1-90-pound guy. He tracked. He looked very unathletic. He looked very much like a ringer employee. It's more of a circus. And it's always funny because I go around at my job is to make dumb videos. and your job is to write interesting things about football.

So I'll be in the midst of the circus, and then I'll look over and you're talking to like tight ends coach. And I'm like asking questions like, what do you think about the halftime show? Yeah. That's not what it would be on the video. The Niners, the Niners tight ends coach is John Embry, who I wrote about earlier this year.

He's the one that... Stop talking to tight ends coaches. He's the one that... And he knows what they look like, too. He's the one, it used to be the coach at Colorado, and he's the one that told George Kittler to stop getting tackled, which is the origin story of George. Kittle. And he just did it.

Yeah. Should probably read the story, Roger. So, okay. I mean, it's on ring. Why didn't he tell more people to do that? I think he has. Not everybody is killed. He probably told Debo Samuel. That's why they made the Super Bowl. Yeah, and mustard. Because of the no-tackle.

And the no-tackles. Life hacks. Stop getting tackled. All right. So, let's talk about the game a little bit. This is an incredible game. It's a match-up that I think, you know, when I was going through some of the individual matchups, I was really intrigued. Patrick Mahomes is better than Jimmy Garoppolo, but when you look at these two quarterbacks, when you combine their winning percentages,

average it out, it's about 79%, which is the best in history. No quarterback duo has ever been more adept at winning games than these two. Patrick Mahomes, according to PFF, is having the best postseason run of all time or that they've tracked. George Kittle, according to PFF,

is the best player in football. Like, every side has something, whether that's Richard Sherman against Taron Matthew, two of the best defensive backs of their era, whether that's Kyle Shanahan against Andy Reed, two incredible play callers who come from different but similar branches. I mean, Mike Shanahan actually did work in San Francisco under George Seifert,

so he is, he touches the Mike Holmgren, Bill Walsh branch, but obviously the Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan branch is just very different. So the narratives here are plentiful. Danny, when you look at the matchups here, what stands out where you say, okay, this is my number one, want to see it matchup on Sunday? Well, I think it comes down to, you know, overall the Chiefs team speed versus the 49ers defensive speed. I think that's like the bottom line foundational thing that I'm going to be watching.

More specifically, like Sherman and Mosley versus Hill and Hardman, also they have, you know, Sammy Watkins isn't slow. Yeah. You know, DeMarcus Robinson. They've got so much speed on that offense that, to me, I'm just really excited to see how the 49ers deal with that because they just, you know, they have to do some schematic things to kind of. deal with the fact that these guys can just run, you know, straight down the field faster than pretty much anyone in the NFL at this point. Whether that means, you know, disguising things at the snap or right before the snap, kind of dropping into things, hoping to delay, hoping to delay Mahomes long enough that they can't

just launch like a deep bomb, you know, and let their front get home because I think, you know, they have a very dominant front of the 49ers do. And so I think, you know, instead of just giving up like 15, you know, yards at the line of scrimmage, which they may do and just try and force the chiefs to like put together 12 play, you know, drives pretty much the whole game. That could be something that they do. But other than that, I think, you know, they're going to have to maybe try and do just some disguises on defense and things like that. They can't just run like a straight cover three and hope that it works against this kind of speed. I think there's just too many things the

chiefs can do to beat that. And so that chess match, I think it's going to be really interesting. It's interesting. You talked about the front four. I saw a great staff from James Palmer, the NFL network. He said in the last 15 years, every team that's had more than 55 sacks and played in the Super Bowl has won. That's the 2015 Giants, 2011, excuse me, 2015 Broncos, 2011 Giants, 2010 Packers, 2008 Steelers, 07 Giants, 05 Steelers. All of them have won the game. We know, you know, everyone says it always makes me laugh, like, you know, oh, the best way to get in someone like Tom Brady's face or Patrick Brown's face to be able to rush four. Right. And that's such an easier said than done thing.

and these guys might be able to get pressure with these four. And I think that's really important to note. And that's why I think that they have a little bit of an advantage. It's interesting to me, I talked to Brett Veach earlier this season. We were talking about that team speed. And he was saying one of the advantages, and it's kind of a chicken and egg thing with the chiefs, but one of the advantages of having Patrick Mahomes

is you can draft these four two burners, whether that's Tyreek Hill. Obviously, he preceded the Mahom's starting era, but Tyreek Hill, Hardman, is another one. He can draft these four two burners, and they have the quarterback who's going to get them the ball on the fly 50 yards down the field. Not everybody can do this. This is me talking, not Vich, this part. But, you know, if you have a short-armed quarterback and you have Hardman, well, he might get wasted.

We've seen plenty of fast guys so you can't get the ball to. And so Mahomes' ability to get those guys, the ball on the fly down the field is it really takes advantage of the speed. So it's really one of the perfect marriages. There's so many things that fit totally perfectly in this game. Yeah. And one of them is Patrick Holmes versus every. receivers and then against the how much time Mahomes gets to do that versus that that front four yeah and it's going to be really interesting too you know you mentioned the getting home with

four thing it's going to be really interesting to see if they kind of try to do that whether they try and blitz because Mahomes last game you know in the in the aFC championship game he he made some real plays with his legs too scrambling and when things fell apart you know he kind of got outside the pocket and was able to do a lot of things and so when you rush with four sometimes that could be an issue. You have to maybe spy him with somebody. You know, the 49ers have a lot of speed at their linebacker core, so that could be something that they try and do. But, you know, it's just there's no easy answer to, you know, stopping the Chiefs. But I think, you know, matching up with that team speed is going to be really important. And the other thing that's really,

like you were saying, you know, this team, they can, he can get rid of the ball. Mahomes can get rid of the ball really quickly and just throw it up for his guys and let them run under it. You know, he's got really good anticipation. He can read the defense. He's very, very smart. So, you know, it's not necessarily like you need to give him three seconds for these guys to get deep. Like he can get, drop back, hit his back foot and just launch it. And that's what makes them so dangerous. So, yeah, that chess matches. Yeah, again, it's going to be really, really interesting. Ian Hartett's from Roto World had this.

The 49ers blitz at the fourth lowest rate in the league in 2019. And it's funny because he has the career splits from a Holmes. And he's above 100 Nate, both when being blitz. and not being blessed. So it doesn't actually matter. It's not one of those things where, oh, you've got to send the house against him. Now he's probably going to be good anyway. So, I mean, there's really, there's not a lot you can do to actually shut down Patrick Holmes.

The times we've seen him shut down in 2019, we didn't see him at all in 2018. And the times he was shut down in 2019, it was because he was hobbled by an ankle injury or a knee or a hand. So, I mean, I just think that there's, he's going to put up points. It's just about damage control with something. Yeah. And I think, again, going back to making them, making the chiefs, put together long drives is sort of similar to what they do on offense in terms of you know they want to run the ball they want to run the clock they want to shorten the game that way and the 49ers

defense is like the number one priority is not to get beat deep like that's robert salas number one like tenant is don't get beat deep don't give up explosive plays so maybe they'll just you know drop back and be content to let the chiefs just take these six or seven you know yard or whatever pickups, but like make them, force them to convert in the red zone, force them to win other ways than having those explosive deep passes. And so hopefully, you know, the idea would probably be like, hopefully they stop them a few times and force field goals instead of touchdowns. And that's really like what they have to do, I think. And so, yeah. Roger Sherman, what are you looking forward to in this game? The 49ers just won by just running outside over and over and over and over again.

Chiefs have one of the worst run defenses in the league. It wasn't really a problem because they tend to have like a two score lead pretty quickly. So most teams... The best way to take Derek Henry out of the EFT title game is just start scoring points and be up at the halftime. Yeah. Yeah. So that worked last week. Yeah.

Wait, Derek Henry's not in this game? I haven't seen him on radio or yeah, but I'm sure he'll show up by like Wednesday or Thursday. But the 49ers running game is very different. The Titans are just... We're just going to throw... Derek Henry at you and see what happens. Whereas the 49ers are more about, you know, scheming

guys to the outside and they just killed the Packers with it for an entire game last week. And it wasn't one of those things where they were just running because they had the lead. That was also true. But I'm curious whether the chiefs can get the guys in positions

to make stops on those outside runs. Yeah, and they asked Kyle Shanahan about that this week. They said, why did you only pass eight times? Because it was working. And that's the kind flexibility that that shanahan has and it's very bellichickie in the sense that like i'm not going to pass 15 times just to pass 15 times uh they were it was working and and there was no way for the packers to stop it so i think that that was that was important to me because i just think that they've won games where jim grappalo's thrown the ball 30 times like he he is he's a capable

quarterback but they actually don't need him and one of the defining characteristics i think of 2019 and maybe this half decade of football is making when you have a great quarterback or a good quarterback. I don't think Gropolo is great, but he thinks he's good. I think Chiefs have a great quarterback. When he has a good quarterback, treat him like a luxury, right? And I think that that's what the Niners have done. They've built around him. They have some incredible guys who

essentially, Gropolo, if you wanted to, can operate like a point guard. He can get the ball to George Kittle or Gibo Samuel. They can just run people over. I mean, George Kittle can just take a six-yard pass and just truck people. Yeah, for 30 yards. Learned not to get tackled. That was a real big. Roger, you've got

to read the story. It's pretty good. trying to let our podcast and video audience know that this is a great story they need to read by acting and you're like, you're like blaming me for not reading it. I'm just, I'm using you as an avatar for the listener who hasn't read it. Okay, there we go. Yeah. So the 49ers will do something over and over again if you can't stop it. Right. The question is, can the chief stop it?

Yeah, I think the interesting thing to me about the 49ers run game versus like the Titans, for instance, is Shanahan's scheme is so, it. actually reminds me what the Patriots have done in previous years where they just run so many different styles of runs, you know, whether it's what they're doing blocking up front, inside, outside, and then they add in all this eye candy in terms of, you know, jet sweep, motion, orbit motion. Every play has a little bit of something to throw off defenders and get them thinking. And so it's not just like we're going to bang our heads up against a wall and hope for the best. You don't have like a 250 pound running back. That's not what the Titans were doing exactly, but they were inviting people into the box because they think Henry can beat them.

This is totally different. They're using scheme to design a run game that can really pick up a lot of chunk yards and they're doing it with multiplicity. And just Shanahan just has a really good ability to pick out like a weak point of defense and then attack it. So Shanahan is the new motion god of football. How does that the pre-snap motions, how does that help their run game? and how does that confuse defenses? Because I think that in a weird way, when you talk to defensive coordinators this year,

McVeigh's motions, I'm not going to say they stopped working, but people kind of... Trash. McVeigh was the motion... Listen, Shanahan's been the motion god for five years, but McNay had a nice run as motion prints of football last year. Sean did they washed?

And so how does Kyle Shanahan keep motion as the most important thing in that offense? and how does it use defenses? Well, I won't pretend to know exactly how he goes about doing it because he's a run game savant, but the basic foundation. He's a motion god. Yeah, he's a motion god. Yeah, he's a motion god.

What it does in a lot of cases, and this is for the run and the pass, is when he motions, it either tells the offense exactly like what, you know, what defense. Yeah. It tells the offense what the defense is doing in a lot of cases, and it also can change the rules for what they're doing. So they'll have a guy motion across the field. and that changes the responsibilities of the deep safety or whatever. You know, there's ways that he can use that motion to get defenses to check into something more basic or whatever.

You know, there's a lot of different things, I'm sure, that he does. But the idea is to dictate kind of what's what you're, dictate to the defense, what you're doing. And based on what they do, then they can, you know, do like a million different things off of that. And there was a clip last week where, you know, Shanahan was talking to the, to the ref. He's going to run a five-yard out. He's going to try and go inside and then go outside. The guy's going to grab him and throw the flag. This is how he sees the game.

He knows exactly what the defense is going to be doing on just about every play. And by the way, the chiefs lead the NFL in defensive holding penalties. Did you know that? Oh, there you go. So basically he's going to be doing that every single play. He's just going to find a ref and say, what, defensive holding. Yeah. So I think the ref telling things God.

I'm working on that one. We're shopping it. So I thought that was interesting. You know, it reminded me a little bit. I used to cover a bunch of different sports when I was really young. And I remember being in a hockey game. And I was sitting in front of this guy, Lou Lamarillo, who was like the best hockey GM ever.

He built all his devil's teams. And he was sitting behind me and he was just like, they were skating down the ice. Nothing was happening. And he just yelled, oh, don't hook. And there was nothing happening. And then this guy, I think it was this guy, Colin White, just randomly hooked somebody.

And he just saw it from a mile away. Yeah. And I was just like, man, that was amazing. I guess he had a tendency to when he was randomly skating behind people to hook him anyway, when you can see that kind of thing,

that just shows next level ability. I think I don't want to compare for the third time Kyle Shannon to Bill Bealichick, but that is a little bit Belichick. One of the things about Belichick, you're shaking your head, Roger, are you upset at these?

I just wanted one Super Bowl without Bill Belichick here. So it reminds me a little bit, you know, no one knows the rules like Bill Belichick, no one. And, you know, I remember talking to my prayer and some of those guys, and they were telling me that

when they give a briefing to the coaches in the preseason, nobody ever asked any questions, and Belichick and his assistants would ask like 50 questions. And when you see a video like that, you understand. I will say that Kyle Shanahan, aside from going viral for the ref thing, he also went viral for a five-year-old clip

of him owning Mike Petten. Did you guys see this? Did you see it? Like, in what was the context? So Mike Petten was like, I think we should run here. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Kyle Shanahan just gave him a very, I want to be careful with the adjective here.

It was a very like, uh, like, it wasn't even like I can't believe you're doing this. It was more like, really, bro, like really. But also like, Petten like, Petton comes back to him. Well, no, he didn't even, there was no verbal cue from Shanahan. It was all facial. And so Petton was like, I trust you, run your best play. And then he got first down. So that's that.

Oh, I do remember. Justice for the 2014 Brown, something Robert Mays is. to the 2014 Browns. Yeah, always. Motion God could have gotten them farther than they ended up going. Before we move on, let's take a quick break. Bank United wants you to go for more. Enter for a chance to win $54,000

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So the story is that there's many reasons Kyle Shanahan left Cleveland, but one of them is that he disagreed with the Johnny Mansell starting situation. So basically they picked, in so many words, they picked Johnny Manzo over Kyle Shanahan, which the jury's still out. I still believe. Is he in the XFL? Is he in the XFL? He could be in the XFL. We'll bring that up.

He was in the A.A.F. Jason Gallagher is informed me. He's not listening to this podcast. So that's where we're at. He's a free agent. He's soon to be in the XFL. He'll probably be on Radio Row. He'll probably a Thursday guy.

I want to just clarify that I don't still believe in Johnny Mansell. But it took like me and I was up against Kyle Shanahan for sometimes. on this through like 2016. I was still like, this could be a thing. It was never a thing. It was never a thing. Danny,

yeah. Let's assume that Patrick Mahomes and George Kittle are the two best players in the field. Do you agree with that premise? Yeah. Who's the third best player in this game? I think you could make the argument Jason Kelsey.

Travis Kelsey. Yeah, I'm going to do that like 17 times this week already. Travis Kelsey. They don't look. I want to be one second. They don't look anything away. No, it's incredible.

It's really strange. It's like twins or whatever. They're just... Twins, not the concept of twins. The movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito. Right, the concept of twins would be that they look similar. Right, exactly. This is the opposite.

Normally when you see like sports brothers, sports bros, like they're the same position. They're like, they have the same general skill set. But the Kelsey's are different humans. When you think of sports brothers who'd look alike and do the same thing, things. Who are you thinking about? Let's remove identical twins. Yeah, from the equation.

I was going to go down all the identical twins. I think Jason and Jeremy Giambi are kind of, it's like a Gemini man, except that one of them was really good, and one of them wasn't? All the McCowns, I feel, are... The barbers. They play different positions, and they're identical. They're identical.

Do we want to get back on track with the best player, or do you want to keep talking about twins? Danny, you're really interrupting kind of... There's a lot of very good players. Can we get back to talking McCowns? Yeah, the McCowns. The McCowns don't look a ton of like. I will say that.

All right. So there's a third McCown, brother, by the way. His name's, I believe his name's Randy. The Cooper. There's a Cooper of the McCown. Randy? Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Let me talk about quarterback. So I want to say. I actually have a rant on the Giambi brothers I'm not going to do right now. I'll say it for April. All right. I was going to say before. He's on radio.

Jeremy's on radio. Yeah. Jeremy, not Jason. Jason's a Friday guy. Okay. Danny, who's the third best player in this game? I was going to say, is Richard Sherman, he's, the current version of Richard Sherman,

I think is still up there. So he is the third best passing rating, against his career, by far the best yards per reception of his career. He's amazing. He's playing really freaking well. And he's right when to go on those rants and say, by every metric,

he's the best quarterback, the cornerback of his generation. He's right to go on a rant and say, the only people who say he's not the best are haters, haters like Roger Sherman, not us. We're Richard Sherman respecters. And so I think there's a case we made. I do think there's probably better players in this game,

but I think that that's... Maybe the current version, yeah. Yeah, I love Richard Sherman. And we're welcoming our guest, Dorel Rieves. Dorel, do you have any thoughts? Just run with it for the people who aren't watching the video. We're on the pod thing, so he just slid up a chair. So who else is in contentioned for the third best player in this game?

He moster. Rehoster. Yeah. Did you see how many yards he had? I will say this. Danny Hypertz wrote this for the ringer. It was a good piece. Another piece you should read, Roger Sherman. Is that, yeah.

Mostert is in the Mike Shanahan mold, just kind of a random running back, just getting a ton of yards, which is something we were accustomed to in the 90s with Mike Shanahan, and now his son is doing the same thing with Moster. And look, there's a lot of guys in that backfield. There's a lot of talent in that backfield. But the ability to scheme those yards, I thought that was really impressive. Yeah, he's like his speed, the way that they use his speed, it almost looks like he's slaloming through the defense at times. He was a return man like from the first like three years of his career

and he like kind of looked like one shot out of the cannon. Return men, there's a lot of GMs who value return men in the draft because they think that it implies a type of athleticism that is important to the NFL game. The Steelers, I believe, were into that. There's a thought in the fantasy circle. too that like if you have a very good if you're a good return man in college yeah a lot of times that translates so for darrell patterson first overall yeah what exactly are the fantasy circles

you know like the fantasy people fantasy football people no i like that i just like i just like i don't want to name names kelly i don't talk about like fantasy football weeks i'm gonna i'm gonna list off some people so people don't get right we're gonna dany kelly listing good players here we go de force buckner very good nick bosa very good i think nick bosa very good i think Nick Bosa has a real case to be made for the third best part in this game. I was surprised he didn't come up here. I mean, yeah, he definitely does.

I think Tyron Matthew is very good. Very good. Second half of the season, he's played as well as anybody in his position. Chris Jones. Very good player. Chris Jones. There's a lot of very good. That's the point. That's the point. That's the reason I ask the question is because there's so many freaking good players in this game.

It's just, it's a stacked football game. Can I just say I remember I remembered another set of brothers who all do the same pig the colquitz all the colquits all the colquits are out there punting and we got a colquit here we've been blessed with

the sutter the sutter's and hockey just like nine of them I don't know stop bringing up hockey man that's your second time I'm sorry you would have to bring up the colquits I apologize

that I was interrupting your point as Richard as Richard Churchill said don't interrupt me while I'm interrupting you all right so keep listing good players Danny

uh okay so So we could just go down the line offensive of linemen. Mitchell Schwartz is good. Danny, can you list every player in the game one through 106? Probably not. The practice squads. We haven't even talked about Frank Clark.

Danny, make a determination. Who's the third best player in this game? I'm going to go with Richard Sherman. Okay. I'm going to go with Nick Bosa, but I think that Richard Sherman is in the hunter. Yeah, yeah. And I think, I mean, we didn't talk about him. Tyree Kill is one of the most dynamic receivers in the NFL too.

and the way that he changes the way that teams have to play, he's very, very important too. So, yeah, I mean, bottom line is it's very difficult to choose because there's so many players just at the top of their game right now, which is why it's such a fun game. Yep. If there's an X factor in this game,

I know that's such a talk radio question, but I think it's important when there's so many good players. I'll ask both of you this. And this can be a coach, it could be an assistant. It could be a player. It could be the wind. I don't care.

If there's something that's going to help determine this game that we're not thinking of, Danny, who is, what is it? Oh, my gosh. that's a very good question the first thing that came to my mind is who is going to emerge on offense for the chiefs after kelsey and hill like if because they kind of rotate it's like to marcus robinson sometimes obviously sammy walkins is still part of that even though you know he hasn't really done much this season i mean i think if they can get a guy like miko hardman involved um because my guess is obviously their their game plan is going to be to do everything they can do to get to get Hill and Kelsey locked down. So that was like what I was thinking. Like if one of those guys either Wackens or Hardman goes off, I think the Chiefs,

I think the Chiefs. Watkins is doing like a JD Drew situation right now where he was a bad contract for two years. And now after that AFC championship game, he is after the toe drag, toe drag god, all that stuff. I feel like... How many gods are there out there?

This is a lot of gods. This is a god-filled game. On some like ancient Greek. Yeah. Are you saying G-A-W-D or G-O-D? I'm saying both. But which ones am I saying? Which for?

I think that Sammy Watkins now is going to strangely be considered like a Chief's Hero going forward. And then if he's the Super Bowl MVP, there's been weird Super Bowl MVP. What just happened? Say that Sammy Watkins is the Super Bowl MVP? Yeah. Does that mean the Chiefs have to keep him next year on his 28 million, whatever it is? No. There have been many.

Didn't Larry Brown sign with the Raiders after he won the Super Bowl MVP from the Cowboys? I mean there's been a handful of those. Yeah. How do we pick Super Bowl MVP? It always ends up being like the wide receiver who has a lot of catches instead of the quarterback. If Tom Brady gets like, you know,

if the quarterback has a decent performance, they usually get it. Usually. But then sometimes it's like Julian Edelman or Dion Branch. Right. If the quarterback doesn't have like a great performance. But the default, is to give it to Tom Brady's won it four times.

That's pretty good. Yeah, that is pretty good. That's like up there. That's, Von Miller won it, Malcolm Smith won it. And Ronald Miller deserved it. For the pick six, right? Jacoby Jones, baby. Yeah. Did he not, that was not a Super Bowl? That was not a Super Bowl. I didn't he win it though. Uh, no. Joe Flacko won it. I just made, I just made up Jacobi Jones. He made the top 100 list the next year, though. He did?

Yeah. What a strange time that was. It was a very, I remember that specifically. Dionne Branch won it. Dexter Jackson. And now Sammy Watkins. And now Sammy Watkins. So Dexter Jackson is a good example.

He won in 2003 and then he immediately signed with the Arizona Cardinals. And by 2009, he was in the Florida Tuscars, which Sean McVey was on that staff. Wow. Yeah. The first time I ever met Sean McVeigh, we were talking about the Tuskers. apartments in Orlando. I feel like I may have wasted Sean McBade's time.

He was a tight ends coach. He was a tight ends coach in Washington, Roger. So who's the Chiefs tight ends coach? I don't know. Oh my God. I turned to you for tight ends coach coverage.

All right. Who's going to win this game? Roger Sherman. I've been a Chiefs fan for, well, not a Chiefs fan. I've been saying the Chiefs would win the Super Bowl for most of the last like 14 months.

And it didn't work out last year. And I'm not changing my mind. Okay. I am changing my mind on my pick that the Browns would be good this year. Me too. I will also say I pick the Chiefs to make the Super Bowl from the AFC, and I did not make a pick in the NFC, and I wouldn't look it up if I were you.

Okay. Got it. Danny Kelly, who's going to win this game? I got to go with the Chiefs also. Although recent history, and actually more than recent history, all history would indicate that the good, like the top defense would win in this scenario, and it has happened a lot in the Super

Bowl. But here's the question. But I don't know if that means anything. This Chief's defense, even though they went down 24 points, that was through a kind of a series of cascading errors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, special teams. This Chiefs defense is playing really well. And I think that if these two teams played at midseason before the turning point of the Chiefs defense, you'd say, okay, with the Niners defense, it's a lot better. And I think that there's a, there's a case to be made that the Niners' defense is still more talented and still better, but I don't think the gap is as big as

it has been over the course of the 2019 season. Right, yeah. I would agree. I mean, they're playing very well at the right time. Their past defense is playing. They're getting hot at the right time? Yeah, that old cliche. No, their past defense, I think, is better than their run defense, though, which is what worries me a little bit about the Chief's

defense. Yeah. Their strength was definitely... They couldn't really get gashed. How many times does Jimmy Gropwell play this? Throwing this game. take the over do the over under at 10 what would you take I'm saying it over I'm gonna say over

yeah because I'm thinking they're gonna be down multiple scores Roger have you looked at the prop bets oh I have looked quite a lot at the pro bets

give me is there is there anything that sticks out to you well it seems like Demi Lovato takes a really long time to sing the anthem just FYI oh yeah

I saw that one yeah Any football props? What the? What are you talking about? We're going... I didn't come prepared with any prop bets. I'm sorry.

Okay, that's fine. Sometimes you get really into this. What is that? Wow. Okay. Kendrick Bourne first touchdown. He only plays in their ad zone. Okay.

Now, the over-under for this game is moved to 54.5. Chiefs are favored by one. I do think it's going to be a high-scoring game. I agree with that. I think it's going to be the over. I hope so. Danny?

54 and a half you said? 54 and a half it's moved to it. It started at 52.5. I'd say over. Roger? Yeah, I mean, I don't see either team really getting stops. Like, I don't see the nine stopping Mahomes. Well, I guess you're right.

I mean, I feel like they have defensive talent, but the offensive talent is so good. The play callers are so good. I think there will be stops. I don't think it's going to be 50 to 45. I don't think it's going to be the Eagles Patriots Super Bowl. But I don't think it's going to be the Rams Patriots. Yeah. And it's going to be a happy medium.

I agree. I agree. All right. Are we going to talk about your guys' knowledge on Miami? Oh, Roger Sherman is from born and raised in Miami. I'm not born in Miami. Roger Sherman is a homecoming for you. This is a homecoming coming for you.

I lived here for four years. That's so many more years that I've lived here. I went to school here. My family is from here because I'm Jewish and Cuban and those two kind of just cross over. in Miami. It's like, this is like the nexus point for the Jubin community. Sure.

Okay. So, is Miami a good Super Bowl host? Everything is, so we're staying at the airport. Not a hotel. We're staying at the airport. We're staying at the Delta terminal. I'm sleeping under the baggage clay carousel, you know, where they do the

light comes on. I'm back there. And that's really inconvenient. No, well, it seems like, yeah, so the stadium is out there somewhere. Yeah. And the Radio Row is here on South Beach and our hotels by the airport. So so far we've just been driving. There's a lot of driving.

I think it's a good host. I think that there's been some cool Super Bowls here. I think that I'm glad it's here. I think New Orleans is the best because everything is so close together and it's warm and it's a cool place to be. But I think that this is, you know, a top five place. I also have the hottest take, which is that I had a great time in Minnesota. Yeah, that's another place. Well, they put everything in the mall there, and there's no such mall here.

The world is a mall here. The world is a mall here. So, all right, anything else you guys want to talk about this game? Nothing else at the top of my head. We burned through the Colquitts. We burned through the Colquitts. Danny never decided who was the third best player in the game. I said Sherman.

I'm saying it's Nick Bosa. Yeah, I said Sherman. Okay. Yeah. Who's the second best point on the Chiefs? Kelsey? He said Kelsey first. Yeah. All right.

Kelsey Hill or Schwartz. Schwartz is good. Schwartz is really good. Oh, here we go. I've got a prop bet for you. We're going under on Patrick Mahomes, 30 and a half rushing yards. I'm just throwing that out there. You're going under?

30s high. I could see him in the 20s and tens. He's going to scramble a lot, I think. And because the 49ers is the Seahawks style defense, which is what the 49ers are on. Roger, I love you. They give up a lot of rushing yards. But when Danny makes football. point I listen. Well, I'm not guaranteeing anything. Sounds like a guarantee. I mean, you decide what

you want to do with your money is my point. Why don't you guys have a side bet? There we go. That's an idea. 20 bucks. Sure. And I'm taking the over. Roger, consent to this. I'm just saying on this website that's totally legal, it's plus 125. No, but you guys disagree. So we're betting, we're betting right now. And I'm not getting, I'm not getting the plus 125 on this. No, you're doing straight out. Okay, fine. There we go. 20 bucks is in. It's betting with his, friends. Okay, we'll be back all week. We're doing a podcast every single day. Robert Mays will be joining us. These guys will be back. We'll have some special guests throughout the week. So you're going to let me back on? I was speaking in generalities. This is the Ringer NFL show on the Ringer

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