The Ringer NFL Show - The NFL's 5 Best Ceiling-Raising Coaches Through Week 5

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

Sheil is joined by "Golic & Golic" co-host Mike Golic Jr. to debate and analyze some of the NFL coaches around the league who’ve exceeded the expectations for their respective teams through the first few weeks of the season. (00:00) Intro/cold open(2:08) Shane Steichen(6:56) Sean Payton(12:49) Brian Schottenheimer(16:21) Dan Campbell(21:04) Mike Vrabel(23:24) The Hurry Up: The Trevor Lawrence Experience The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.rg-help.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Sheil KapadiaGuest: Mike Golic Jr.Producer: Chris SuttonSocial: Kiera Givens and Brian WatersProduction Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Capadia. My guest today is Mike Golick, Jr. You can watch him on Golick and Golick on Fandual Sports Network. We talked about the best coaching performances of the season through five weeks. If you've listened to me before, you know how I view this. It's all about who's doing more with less, who is maximizing their talent. So I had a list of five guys, at least one that I think will really surprise you. And we discuss what's impressed us about these coaching jobs. Fun conversation, because you you realize it's not just about one thing. For one guy, it's scheming, for another guy, it might be culture building, for another guy it might be putting together a good staff. So we broke it all down. And then at the end, I had to chime in on that wild Chiefs Jaguars Monday night football game. Chiefs put up 476 yards of offense and still lose that game, Trevor Lawrence, with a big moment at the end.

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Mike, so number one on my list for this exercise was very easy. I mean, I had one coach way ahead of everybody else. I think he would easily be my coach of the year right now. And that's Shane Steichen. And we'll see if it lasts. But if we're going by what we've seen so far, I think he's done the best job. I mean, the way I always like to judge coaching is like the talent you have available. Are you maximizing that?

Are you getting more from that? and what they're doing with Daniel Jones right now. I mean, they literally have the best offense in the NFL. I did not see this coming. So do you agree with me? Do you have Stuyken as number one on this list? I do. I'm sure we'll get to a couple other games that are interesting for different reasons.

But I think with Shane, you're absolutely right. This is what we expected with him coming over from Philadelphia, knowing what he had done for that offense during their best days with Jalen Hertz. and we had been thinking Anthony Richardson was the perfect candidate for it. But I guess the reason I would absolutely co-sign this is, we've seen quarterback reclamation projects in Sam Darnold and Gino Smith, but they've all had the benefit of time. This is the same Daniel Jones that we saw get benched in New York last year.

Yeah, he had a brief rinse with Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings where you could say maybe he picks some stuff up there. But in general, this feels all like Shane Steichen's hands on this. I'll be honest. I totally forgot about the Vikings thing until you just put it up. What's he talking about? Oh, yeah. No, he was with Kevin O'Connell.

No, that's a great point. Yeah, because the other guys, it's like, all right, Darnold went to Carolina in San Francisco and even with Baker. All right, you know, he spent time with McVe. Jones was just, I mean, he looked unplayable with the Giants. And you wondered, like, I thought the injuries had taken their toll because he was an athletic guy earlier in his career. And I thought it was kind of a bummer.

He's had the injuries. We see this with. NFL players all the time and he's just not going to be the same guy. You know, I was like, what are the Colts doing? $14 million per year. This is nuts. And I have egg on my face because, you know, after week one, I'm like, let's see you do it again.

Give me a break after week two. All right, it's two weeks. You know, the Saints last year. And now we're five weeks in and they're just doing it week after week after week. I mean, that performance on Sunday against the Raiders, that was statistically the best offensive performance by any team this season. And they punted on their first possession. Then they scored six straight touchdowns.

Mike, I'm sure they're listeners of this show right now. They're like, my team hasn't scored six touchdowns in like the last three weeks. And they scored six straight there. They punt one more time. So, yeah, they keep doing it and doing it every single week. And I kept waiting for it to trail off. And it hasn't so far. So like, how all in are you on this Colts team?

Are you like, they're definitely winning the AFC South? Are you like, hey, watch out. They can be a frisky playoff. team? Are you in the, hey, I want to see a little bit more? How all in are you with the Stike and Daniel Jones experience? I think right now I'm at frisky playoff team, mostly because like the dominance on the ground too, right? We've seen in the NFL over the last couple of years, the Eagles are certainly the highest testament of this, but we've seen plenty of other teams that fall into this category where the way Jonathan Taylor in this ground game, this offensive line looked

that a couple years ago maybe looked like it had missed its best window now seems to again, even after losing some guys that were important parts of that, albeit off-dindered ones at the end of their career, his career, and Ryan Kelly at center. But Will Fries, who's in Minnesota now too, was a guy that I don't think they wanted to lose, but ended up having a bigger market than they expected. And so I think overall, the way they've been able to win

makes me say absolutely frisky playoff team. Beyond that, we'll see. Like, we've seen plenty of AFC turmoil already. The Ravens now don't appear to be the team that we thought. We're still kind of waiting to see if the chiefs, are going to end up getting healthy enough at wide receiver to make this happen. So I see no reason why the Colts can't take what this is and make it sustainable through the whole year. It's the biggest surprise of the season for me.

You know, you make all your preseason predictions and takes. And now, you know, usually I'm like, I'm going to hang on to them for a while before I give up on them and admit I was wrong. But I did not think this was going to work out. I thought people were going to get fired at the end of the season. And here they are one of the surprise teams of the season. I mean, for what we were talking about earlier, Daniel Jones was three and 13. the Giants were 3 and 13 with him the last two seasons. And now they're 4 and 1.

Your point about the offensive line, he's taking four sacks in five games this season. Every statistical, you know, you go to the old pro football reference page, and you're like, wait a minute, this year looks a lot different than any other year he's played. And they went to the playoffs the one year. But, yeah, Stuyken has been incredible.

I did not see it coming. All right. Next guy on my list, Mike. Now, I made fun of Sean Payton all summer because I was like, this guy just, you know, what is this? I know listeners are sick of me referencing it now. I was like, this propaganda campaign, just telling everyone how good the Broncos are going to be. But again, he's got to be on this list.

I mean, they are three and two, vote their losses. We're on game winning field goals. I thought even in those losses, like, he was coaching well. I thought Boenix had some ups and downs. It was leaving plays on the field. But where are you with this Broncos team after that win over the Eagles on Sunday and with what Sean Peyton's done so far this season. Yeah, it's funny.

I was just having a conversation with Mina Kimes over at ESPN, who was sending me some clips of what Sean Payton did this last week. And, you know, you mount an incredible comeback in this game on the road at Philadelphia. It's really impressive because Bo Nix is similar to what we've seen as like a recent archetype that's honestly kind of a throwback, right? NFL teams drafting college quarterbacks that have played a bleep ton of games, have a ton of experience, come in, knowing how,

how to at least operate the machinery if they maybe don't have all the ability that you'd like of some of the more raw guys. And Bo Nix is never going to blow you away ability-wise. He's a great runner. He's got a live enough arm to do some of the deep stuff occasionally. But he's not a quarterback that's going to cover up a ton of flaws. But what he's got is an offensive mind in Sean Payton and someone calling the plays who puts him in a lot of positions to succeed.

They're another team. They've done a really good job along the offensive lines at Streef, who was a former offensive lineman for Sean. Peyton's done a phenomenal job with a group that they've invested in with draft picks and financially over the last number of years. But yeah, I've been really impressed at all the different ways he can pull the strings to get his quarterback in the best position to go out there and maximize his ability early in his career the way he has. Yeah, I mean, every week there are like three or four plays where it's just our, this is a schemed up explosive. There's somehow a guy wide open

downfield and it's just a matter if all the pieces work together and they make the play or not. But we've seen that really from week one. So Peyton still has his fastball. You know, I was looking at this. The last two years in the regular season, so they've played 22 games, they've lost by more than seven points once in 20. And that was with a rookie quarterback last year. You know, they were not a finished product last year.

And then this year, and they've played good, you know, they've played the Eagles. They played the Chiefs twice. They played Ravens Bills. I think the Ravens were the team that got them last year. But yeah, it's been really impressive. Listen, Sean Payton, the last. the line I always say, Mike, is that he probably thinks he does think he's God's gift of football,

but he's also like one of the best coaches of the last 25 years. So he walks the walk. He talks to talk, but he does walk the walk usually. And like, you think about it since he's come back to the Broncos where a couple of years ago in the midst of that Russell Wilson contract, we were questioning why, of all jobs, would you come back for this one, knowing that was going to be your quarterback situation? He got the best out of what we've seen from late stage Russell Wilson post that Seattle career. And is one of the other guys, like we talked about this so much with Bill and Brady at the end of that tenure when Brady goes down and wins the championship at Tampa.

And now Bill is enjoying this disaster at North Carolina of when you separate these guys, what does the picture look like? And Sean Payton was on the other side of one of those relationship with Drew Breeze, where in New Orleans, yeah, there was a brief time after Drew Breeze's tenure. But he was most oft associated with that as one of these quarterback guys. And he's come back and shown you plenty of that success experience in New Orleans was. is attributed to Sean Payton, and we're seeing that clear as day now. Yeah, that's true. And even in New Orleans, they had like those years in there where the offense was awesome, but he couldn't figure out the defense and they're winning seven games.

And now he looks like he has a pretty complete team. Same question I had for you with like the Colts. I think the Broncos are maybe a tier up. But are you like, hey, they could, you know, if you were picking them as a Super Bowl sleeper in the AFC, they got a chance to be playing in the final four. Where are you with kind of what their ceiling is given kind of? I thought you friend that Bo next up well earlier. Yeah, I think they are definitely with all the volatility.

We mentioned the AFC capable of getting to championship weekend, particularly because that defense, like in the last couple of weeks, especially really seems to have had the tires catch again. The end of that game, as we talk about the things that went into that, you know, comeback against Philadelphia late in the third and the fourth, the pressure that defense was able to ratchet up. And all the different ways they can get to it, like you had four-man sacks late in that game. you had a couple of really good all-out blitz looks like it's a really well-coached confident unit that

has studs at both ends. Nick Benito's looked incredible since signing that deal. Obviously, you've got the rainy defensive player of the year, Pat Sartan on the back end. So all of those pieces have made, usually what we see, year-to-year volatility on defense is kind of par for the course, and they look like they have what it takes to buck that trend. Great adjustments, too. They came out playing man coverage, and Jalen Hurts and the Eagles have crushed man coverage the last two years. His splits are crazy. And then they kind of went against what they usually do. They play more zone to your point.

They're four-man rushes. They're bringing simulated pressures. They're blitzing the corner and the ends dropping out. And Jalen Hertz was just holding the football. And the Eagles offense looked like it did in the second half the previous week there. So yeah, they're in a nice spot. Three and two Jets and Giants the next two weeks. They still get the Raiders two more times this season.

So they've got a chance to pile up some wins and be in the mix when we get to December. Sorry, Jets. Yeah. I've been nice to the Jets, Mike. I've been like, hey, they're not this bad. If they can cut out the turnovers and just fewer explosive plays, there actually are some good things there with the O line with the run game. And it's like the opposite of the Colts.

And then every week I say that. And then I got them on one of my TVs here. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, another red zone turnover. Come on, Jets. You're making me look bad. I'm trying to help you here. All right. Let's take a break.

We come back. A few more coaches to get to. All right. We're back on the ringer NFL show. I think I'm going to surprise you with it. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know if you join. This guy has been a punching bag for some online. And I'm going to give you the caveat that I'm not sure it's going to last. But if we're judging by the first five weeks of the season, I think there's a case that Brian Schottenheimer has done one of the best jobs in the NFL. Let me give you the case here. Okay. They're down four offensive linemen and CD Lamb last week.

They go up and down the field on the jets in a blowout win. Dak Prescott has maintained this level of play despite all the injuries around him. It would be his, if he maintains what he's doing so far, it would statistically be the best year of his career. And remember, last year, I think people forget it. It's like, oh, he was injured. They played eight games with Dak Prescott, and it was ugly.

They couldn't do anything. I mean, it was the worst version of Dak Prescott we'd ever seen. And now they're putting up 37 points with Ryan Flournoy. I hope I'm pronouncing that. That's the point. You know, it's like, wait, who are these guys? out there. So I'm looking at all that. They're two, two and one. I'm not telling you they're a Super Bowl contender. But if I look at a coach who it's like, man, they're getting more out of that group than I was expecting coming into the season.

I think he belongs on the list. Am I, am I crazy? Where are you with Brian Schottner? I don't think you're crazy. It's certain he wasn't the first name that came to mind for me. I think because right wrong or indifferent, I've assigned a little more of the credit in this to Dac Prescott for all the reasons that you mentioned. just otherworldly consistency in the face of all this roster term. But we hear the phrase all the time, you've got to overcome coaching at certain points. Brian Schottinheimer is the unenviable task of having to overcome his front office routinely. And in his first year as a head coach, he's had to weather this entire offseason mess surrounding Michael Parsons and everything that led to that. Obviously, there was a ton of emotion going into that game a week and ago where they tied.

So being able to manage all of those things, and it's all the EQ stuff that's a part of coaching that we never see on the outside. side, but get kind of a window in here because the Cowboys are such an open book in ways in ways that are probably a negative football wise. I do think he deserves a ton of credit for being able to keep them afloat. And then, like you said, manage the mash unit that has been really both sides of the ball for them, but especially offensively. Run games been good. You know, they've been just very, everything's working. Javonte Williams has been one of the stories of the young NFL season right now. Who saw that coming?

So, yes, 100 percent, to have an offensive line that lost. to Hall of Famer and Zach Martin, that was the last remnants of those early, mid-2010s offensive lines that were so great for them, and to overhaul it with all these rookies and young guys and then have injuries to them and still maintain this standard, especially in the run game. Incredible.

They're a tough team to play. I mean, you're, you know, you got a good shot at putting 35 on them, but they got a good shot at putting 35 on you most weeks, it feels like. I said they are the offensive version of the Browns, where I don't expect anything of them, because one side of the ball is so atrophied,

but they're so good offensively in the same way the Browns are defensively that every week they have the potential to come up and get somebody. Yeah, I like that. I mean, they tied the Packers. They lose by four to the Eagles. And these are the teams we think are the best in the NFC. So pleasant surprise. If you're a Cowboys fan, you're like,

hey, it's a more entertaining season than that was anticipating when we traded Michael Parsons a week before the season started here. So that was my little curveball with Schottenheimer. All right. The next one, I'm not going to get bored with this guy. And that's Dan Campbell has to be on the list. You know, I'm not just, all right. He's gotten his praise in the past. We don't need to talk about him anymore because I like that you pointed out that the EQ is a part of being a head coach.

It's not just, you know, dummies like me yelling at you for timeout management. It's like, all right, there's more to the job than that. She'll settle down. And Dan Campbell, another big part of it is filling out the coaching staff. And when guys leave, how are you going to replace them? And this was the big question with the Lions. They lose Ben Johnson. They lose Aaron Glenn.

They lose in week one against the Packers. And we're all going, uh-oh, you know, this might just, they've had to go through a lot over the years. And now they're four in one. Calvin Shepherd looks like a phenomenal defensive coordinator through five weeks. The offense is still playing well. And it's, you know, I was thinking it's hard when you're a team like the Lions. We see this in sports all the time.

You're climbing. You're, all right, you come up short. Next season, do it again. You're climbing. You're close. All right. Next season. do it again and you don't get there. And it's the same group of core guys. And it's like,

it's easy to have letdowns in the regular season when you're that type of team where the expectations are so high. And that hasn't happened. And I think Dan Campbell has been like the constant. Maybe Dan Campbell and Jared Gough, you could say, and certainly a very talented roster there in Detroit. But yeah, I think he's done a great job for the first five weeks of the season. It's been incredible. You could probably argue that it should be higher, especially like after week one. I don't think a lot of us were ready to feel. this way based on how that went against the Packers and the way it looked offensively. A lot of us were wondering about the Ben Johnson effect and Aaron Glenn leaving on defense.

And you're right, this is as big a culture win for any team so far to start the season. Having that plan, anytime you're not the hot play caller at head coach, people are always worried about making that higher for this reason. And so far, Morton's been awesome calling the plays on offense. I tell you, in terms of retention, one of the biggest wins for him this off season was keeping Hank Frailey in town, their offensive line coach, got some interviews. I think with the Seahawks for offensive coordinator, like you turned over Frank Ragnow, who was one of the hearts and souls of your team in the middle of that offense. You got a second year guard, a rookie guard and Tate Ratledge that

have been starting and have maintained the standard or really high level. Like it is, it's so impressive. And it's awesome to see because again, we don't always have the tools to celebrate someone who does what Dan Campbell does in terms of filling in all the cracks in places that we can't see. I feel like this has handed us a very easy out to say, all right, what is the constant been? And now we have that chance to celebrate, Dan. And with Freely, you know, when they made that decision, like you said, he interviews for other jobs. And then they have an opening and they don't promote him. They go outside and bring. I was like, like, that's tricky for a head coach. How are you managing those dynamics? Are there hurt feelings? Is a guy like, I'm out of here, you know, you say

you value me, but now, so I, like, I don't know how Hank Fraily feels about that. Maybe he feels some type of way about that, but I know the product on the field hasn't suffered with those coaches. And they look like the best coach team on the field pretty much every game they play. Has hard knocks in recent history done more for one person and one team's reputation than hard knocks with the Lions did? Just because it gave us a window into some of those moments with Dan Campbell. So now every time something like this comes up, we go back to that conversation with him on the field with those guys saying, trust me, I'm going to take care of you.

and get to bank all of that capital on our heads. It's unreal. Dude, I'm so glad you said that. That is, I've actually had this conversation with, because I was the one making the kneecap jokes. Like,

oh my God, they're bringing in this meat head. And then, you know what really struck me? Was when they kept the cameras in when he was cutting players. And, you know,

every coach is like, oh, this is the hardest day. And I've seen coaches. It's like, all right, this doesn't seem that hard for you. He seemed to be doing okay.

He seemed like genuinely, like, all right, I want to have a conversation. Like it was painting him. I want to make sure this person knows I appreciate them. That's when I flipped on him. I'm like, all right. I think there's something to this guy in terms of the way he can relate to players.

And then the game management stuff, you know, I'm a nerd. I love when he's just like fourth down. Let's go every single time. So yeah, since then, I've been in on him. And I think you're right. If they're trying to get teams or coaches to actually do hard knocks, they should be like, look at, you know, look at what Dan Campbell's reputation was before this.

And then after that, I'm with you. I think a lot of people change their minds about him after they showed that. So they've got some injuries in the secondary. They're kind of used to that. You know, they've had the adversity in previous years. But he's going to be tested more, but they show up every week. And they're certainly one of the contenders in the NFC. All right. The last guy I had here, Mike, for us, is Mike Rable. I mean, he's got to be, right? I mean, this is like the Mike Rable week, the Drake May day after Sunday night. They're three and two. They go to Buffalo as big.

big underdogs. You know, their two losses are week one against the Raiders. And then that game against the Steelers, they have five turnovers where it's like, all right, you know, they kind of outplayed the Steelers for a lot of that game. So I questioned the Josh McDaniels hire. I thought he's just going with somebody. He knows why didn't he kind of search far and wide for the best guy here. But they've created explosive plays.

They're developing Drake May. And listen, if you have obnoxious Patriots fans in your life, I think it's only going to get worse because Drake May looks good. and this Patriots team looked pretty good on Sunday. I mean, this guy had to weather questions about his star wide receiver and pink boat powder before the season. And now he's got Stefan Diggs turning back the time machine fully. I mean, what we saw now, albeit a revenge game for the ages, I've seen few players lean into

and respond as emotively as Stefan Diggs did for that. But it's been incredible to watch coming off an ACL injury, the way he's moving north of 30 at wide receiver. it's exactly what you hoped it would be and what this regime would be, which is the group capable of going and helping your clearly talented rookie quarterback make the leap in year two. So yeah, I'm with you. This is everything we thought Mike Vrable could be for this team based off the Tennessee tenure.

That's what it is. It's what, you know, Patriots fans in the offseason when they were daydreaming or saying it out loud, hey, this is what it can look like with Vrable and Drake May. It's kind of like that it's kind of what it's looked like to the first, five weeks of the season here. And yeah, you're so, you know, Diggs, the emotions. It was kind of an incredible night of TV just to watch him, you know, the pregame interview, the way he's playing.

But just the way he looked, the way he was moving, it was like, oh my, like, why there's him on the sideline firing everyone up? Like, it was a very clear, overt leadership night for him. Yeah, leadership night. And then just like getting open and catching the football and yards after the catch. Like I did think that version of Stefan Diggs was still going to exist. in this form with the Patriots, but he looked incredible as well.

So, yeah, Brable belongs on the list. Now, here's my, just missed the cut. And you tell me if there's anybody else. So you're like, wait, how did you not mention this guy? Kevin O'Connell, I've got on there. It goes three and two with J.J. McCarthy and Carson Wentz. Sean McVe, I feel like has had a, I didn't like the game management stuff against the Eagles.

I thought he turtled. I think someone should show him the Sean Payton clip, but going for two this week and being like, you need a little, McVe, you need a little bit more of that because you're so good at the hard stuff. You just got to lean into that. Kyle Shadahan, like we just sort of take it for granted, right? It's like they're winning

games and they've been maybe the most injured team in the NFL. And I even threw Todd Bowles in there because we talked about your staff and put it like they just lose an offensive coordinator every year and he finds someone and the offense is still good. So who is sort of anyone from that

list interest you or is there somebody else you had in mind? You know, hearing you say Todd Bowles out loud now, I get so much of that conversation. It's kind of like Dak ends up becoming about Baker Mayfield and deservedly so, given what he's also done with a different coordinator every year. And for a guy that we've seen, do the journeyman, I'll come over in three days and help you win a game stuff.

Like, again, I understand it. But you're right. Again, one of the posters for, hey, you can still hire a defensive head coach who's got the ability to go out here and really be the kingmaker. I mean, God, being the Bucks offensive coordinator is like a one-way ticket to a head coaching job the next year. So John Gazard, congratulations and get ready to learn head coach buddy.

But Kyle, to me, was the one that I was sitting here kind of waiting for in the top five. And as we got to Vrable in number five, could have made a very real argument. Like you mentioned, like to go through that much injury two years in a row, and it feels like constantly having to churn. And defensively bringing Rob Salaback has helped a lot, but you lose Nick Bosa early in the season. Offensely, you got nothing to no one available to you at wide receipts. and you're still finding a way with Mac Jones and reliving and going back and relitigating that one draft class. We had all of that debate. I don't know. I thought that performance in

particular against Los Angeles was just an incredible testament. Like you said, someone that I think we can get bored talking about this with, but constantly shows us what he's capable of as a coordinator, almost no matter who's back there a quarterback. Yeah, no doubt about it. Shanahan belongs in the conversation. All right, we probably missed. somebody, but I think we hit on all the big names. Thank you to Mike Golick Jr. You can see him on Golick and Golick on Fandul' Sports Network. I will be right back with the hurry up. All right, the hurry up is our closing segment where I give you a take on something happening in the NFL. And we have to talk about clutch plays from that Chiefs Jaguars game.

This episode of Clutch plays is brought to you by Amazon business. And that final drive had some clutch plays, but it was the full Trevor Lawrence. experience. I mean, that experience includes some weekly nonsense, like when he took a sack, or when he didn't realize the play clock was hitting zero for a penalty and got a delay of game, or when he stumbled and fell, when his linemen stepped on his foot when he was at the one yard line. But the experience also includes those moments of brilliance, like when he dropped a dime to Brian Thomas Jr. down the right sideline, or when he threw that rope to Diami Brown on the very next play, or when he got up after tripping, broke attack.

and scored the most hilarious touchdown of the season, which just happened to be a game-winning touchdown, a very clutch play right there. But man, this guy is a roller coaster. I think you can watch that last possession and realize why he's so polarizing. Some people can't give up on his talent, others, and it sort of felt like Troy Aikman felt this way,

calling the game. They can't believe some of the mistakes he still makes at this point in his career. So I'll tell you what, though, that Jags team is wildly entertaining and they're four and one in a wide open AFC. We got the full Trevor Lawrence experience in that game. And even just on that final possession,

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