The Ringer NFL Show - Trades? Sleepers? Surprises? Time for Some Bold NFL Draft Predictions! | Extra Point Taken

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

Sheil and Ben predict some surprises that could go down in the loaded 2024 NFL draft. The race for the no. 2 QB has gotten tighter. Is Jayden Daniels the Commanders' answer at no. 2? The Giants have Daniel Jones under contract, but could they be making a draft night move that could expedite his departure from New York? Who will be the first OL taken off the board? Joe Alt might not be the lock that we all think he is come draft night. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Sheil Kapadia and Ben Solak Producer: Cliff Augustin Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal and Conor Nevins Social: Eduardo Ocampo and Kiera Givens Video: Ronak Nair Musical Elements: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

There are a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL draft this year. My name is Ben Solac and I host the Ringer NFL Draft Show with Danny Kelly, Danny Hyfitts, and Craig Horlebeck. We cover trades, free agency, and the draft, which is, yeah, obviously. We'll tell you about everything, which includes which quarterbacks are good, which quarterbacks are bad and which quarterbacks are just Kirk Cousins. That is the Ringer NFL Draft Show. Search the Ringer NFL Draft Show on Spotify. Welcome to Extra Point Take a Shield Capati here. Join by Ben Solac.

Finally, it is Draft Week. We can say it. It is draft week. Three days away. And we've got bold predictions today. How will it all unfold? Benjamin Solek. I asked you before we came on.

I said, can I just ignore everything I see here, read, or whatever in the next three days. And just after this podcast, say, all right, I'm ready for Thursday. And you said, maybe, maybe not. You're attuned to, like, what to focus on and what not to focus on. Whatever, like this week, people's belief in the. veracity of this information is always conditional on what happened last year in this week. And last year in this week, it was like, Will Levis this? He's going to go first of all. Like, Reddit thinks he's the Panthers pick. He's going to go second overall. Oh, he's going to

go Colts for sure. You know, four is the floor. And he went 33, right? And so everybody now, this year is like, man, the markets know nothing, people know nothing. Everything is made up. There's no way of knowing what's going to go on. I, uh, like, I remember the Baker Mayfield year when like, we actually got legit information, like, you know, 24, 48 hours out. right? Like it's kind of whatever happened most recently is how people feel. So you have to either believe something or don't believe it. It was just not a helpful answer. But it's like it's a 50-50 proposition. Some of it's going to be real real true and good. Some of it's going to be absolutely wrong. All right. You message me if there's something I need to believe. Otherwise, I can just ignore

everything else. That works. All right. All right. So here's what we're doing. These are bold predictions. Now when we say bold, we set the ground rules in our last show. If you listen to it, you know what we're talking about. This isn't like kind of bold. This is like, I don't know. So, like, what did you feel? I feel like mine have probably under a 10% chance to happen. Like, I was like, I'm not doing anything where you're going to make fun of me and be like, that's not bold enough.

That was my one goal. I'm like, they have to be bold. They probably won't happen. But that's how I'm approaching this. Mine are definitely more likely than 10%. Mine were, if the fan base to whom this relates will get upset that I'm predicting it because they think it's absurd. Like, that's like, all right.

If this will bother insert fans of team here, I'm willing to say it. because I believe it. There you go. All right. So that's what we're doing. You can be the judge. Were we bold enough? Did we go too far?

Whatever the case, we've got three each. And then I've got the extra point taking. All right. So let's get started. Number one, let's come out hot. The Las Vegas Raiders trade up for Jaden Daniels. The big shakeup in the top five. You're saying, no, she'll, he's going to the Washington commanders.

Well, maybe the Washington commanders didn't like his behavior at TopGolf. You know, maybe they didn't like how the man swung a nine iron. Maybe they didn't like what appetizers. Now that I, now that I've had a week to sit with the Top Golf thing, I'm super into it. I would do it every single year. I think it was a great idea. A stroke of genius, Madden Peters. For those who don't know what we're talking about, the commanders had a big group of prospects

and took them all to Top Golf, watched how they behaved. And I don't know if they took anything from it or didn't take anything. from it, but that was their approach. Now, to be fair, I do think other teams have done this. Bill Belichick, I think talked about last week how the Patriots have done similar things before where you bring in a group at a time. And I think other teams have done that too. So it's not completely out of the norm, but it was still kind of funny. Then there were reports about our, it is Daniels agent, isn't like that pleased with this. Does he want to go to Washington? I don't know whether you make anything out of it or not. But I'm saying, is there at least a little

bit of a scenario here where we all think it's Jade and Daniels, but Drake May ends up being the pick at number two. Like I don't think I would be shocked at that. I think people are probably split on who the number two prospect in this quarterback class is. So let's paint a scenario where the commanders do all their work. They say these guys were closer than the public thought throughout this process. And at the end of the day, we felt like Jade and Daniels had too many flaws that he had to overcome. And we just felt like Drake May younger, upside. We watched Solax videos. And we watched Solax videos. He convinced us. We listened to extra point taken and we're good.

You know what? I'm actually like if it's our, if we, and I don't know if it's a fully me, Daniels versus you may like, you know, like, but if that is the case, my preference is kind of that May goes and gets coached by Cliff Kingsbury. Like I think that is that works better. No offense to. I see. I think that. I was always preparing. That works better in my favor. All right. So let's say the commanders go Drake May. Patriots then at number three. Maybe they're entering this process saying, all right, we're going to get Drake May. Daniel goes to, oh no, Drake May win a two. What do we do?

Do we like Jaden Daniels? Or do we like J.J. McCarthy? Or do we trade back? There's a possibility that they go J.J. McCarthy again. Maybe they say, young prospect, you know, you got the Michigan narrative. That's going to win the PR battle there. He can grow into the role, leadership, intangibles, all those things. They go J.J. McCarthy.

So I think there actually is a scenario where, Jay and Daniels ends up being on the board at four rather than going off the board at number two. And so I was looking at this. All right. Number four, Arizona Cardinals, I think there's a great chance that regardless of what happens in the first three picks, that the Cardinals trade back. I think everyone looks at that as kind of the biggest pivot point here in the top five. And then I was looking at the teams.

Well, who would be the team that goes up there and drafts Jade and Daniels? The Vikings thing, it just, the scheme fit doesn't feel as. clean to me as some of the other guys. Now, maybe I'm wrong about that and maybe they'll go ahead and take a big swing on Jaden Daniels. But I was looking at this Raiders team, and I know they're all the way down at 13. But look at the way they've approached some of this stuff. Okay, they bring Antonio Pierce back. They sign Christian Wilkins. They're holding on to Devante Adams. They've got Max Crosby. Like, they never have a long-term vision or a long-term plan. They're not exactly the most patient organization. It's so easy for me to picture them saying Antonio Pierce knows Jaden, Daniels,

Well, you bring him in dynamic quarterback. He's got receiving talent here. We can go ahead. We can be competitive right away. What's our avenue, if not this, for getting a long-term starter or taking a big swing at quarterback? And I can kind of see that. So maybe they make the Traylands deal.

You move from 13 to 4. You give up to future first. And you say, you know what? We're going for it with Jade and Daniels here with this supporting cast. So there you go. That is my first bold prediction. the Raiders go all the way up to four and they take Jayden Daniels.

I added it as under 10%. So, Lack, what do you think? Well, my first bold prediction would serve and allow your first bold prediction to exist, which is that. I don't think Jay and Daniels is going to Washington. I don't buy it.

You can't make that face. You say it's going to the Raiders. He has to get past Washington to go there. So, Oleg, I'm learning from you. You are a performer. We are on YouTube now. Ring the NFL on YouTube. Go ahead and subscribe.

I got to match your reactions. You always sell by big things. I'm trying to sell your big things. Don't get mad at me. I appreciate it. That's good, right? Exactly. Get the games of the chip thing going.

I will say, because people have asked, I am never, ever, ever intending to do it ever. I really am not. I understand there's times where it's like, oh. I believe that actually.

No, it is very natural. We have been doing pods together for years. We didn't even have social video yet, and I was still making faces. I can't help myself. I would love to not do I do. Anyway,

I don't think Jane is going to the commanders. Here's why I don't. It just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. It just doesn't. I understand, like, the league is excited about Jane Daniels. I have seen the plugged in scouting folks, your big names, NFL Network, and ESPN, who have ranked Jane Daniels high for the entire process.

I've seen the Jeff Leggwolds of the world. All these people are historically accurate, and they got Jane Daniels super highly. Like, I have seen all of that. I definitely think that there is a spirit within the league that has Jane and Daniels as the second overall quarterback. I think that that opinion is present. I do not think it is a dominating majority opinion.

I really don't. At no point, like, I have spoken to enough NFL people over the course of like nine months, like going to last season, to know that the league likes Drake May. Like, I'm so totally unconvinced by the idea, like, oh, Drake bad and they all like Jane Daniels more. I just don't think that's true. I also know for a fact the league likes Jason McCarthy.

Like, I am positive that there are some teams that have JJ McCarthy's quarterback too. I think QB, 2, 3, 4 is a debate across the league, all right? And so it is difficult for me to approach Washington where every single report that's like, well, we think it's changing Daniels and too, but it's not coming from them. It's coming from other league people. Like that I find very unconvincing, right? Maybe it's true, right?

Like reporters are doing their best and they're speaking to people about people and they're piecing it together. I just, that doesn't hold a ton of weight for me. It's second degree reporting. It's what other teams are saying about the commanders. Like it just, it's not going to move the needle too much for me. does this, this, Jaden Daniels wants to go somewhere else. He'd rather go play for the Raiders. He's taking me with the Vikings thing.

That also doesn't move the needle too much for me, but it is notable. Like, you know, if this were locked and done and this decision were made, I don't think everybody's going to Top Golf last week. Like, I just don't think they would do that if they were like, all right, it's Jayden, turn the key and go. So I still think that there's uncertainty. I don't think necessarily, like, the results of Top Golf introduced more uncertainty. I think it is an indicator that there was uncertainty entering the process.

So I think it's up for debate. Jager McCarthy took money 24 hours ago to go to overall. Drake May took money a few days ago. Like people are betting into it. I don't think people know. So I'm willing to say that it's not Jaden at two. And I don't know if we're going to get off this spot in 50 minutes. And it's going to try out there's a report.

That is it is Jaden or it's not Jaden. I don't know if we're not going to get a report until three minutes before. I don't know if we're going to have Adam Schuster on ESPN's broadcast going, I really don't know who this pick is rich. Like it could be a complete stab in the dark, like a total shock. Who knows? Jane Daniels doesn't pass the sniff test for me at two Not the reporting of it

And then not the player talent of it I just watch May and I watch McCarthy And I go I can't put Jade in like Oh so clearly emphatically above these dudes He obviously should be a lot to go too Like I like May more than Daniels But it's not even about that It's just like there's too much closeness

In everybody's evaluation of these three quarterbacks For me to feel like right there's a very clear QB2 So I should expect him to be the pick for the commander So I'm willing to predict that the commanders don't take Daniels at two I have May in my final mock draft a lot of that is just because when the final mock drafts get scored, if May gets taken two, that's going to be great for me. I think it's very possible.

I do think McCarthy, like you've seen, I think McCarthy's going to have some more smoke over the next couple of days. I don't know if it's real or not, but I think he will. I can understand why any of those three quarterbacks would be the guy for Adam Peters, would be the guy for Cliff Kingsbury. Like I said, May has history in an air raid offense. Jaden's offense isn't air raid, but it borrows air raid concepts. Cliff would be able to pretty easily see how he could take the Denbrock offense and map it on the thing.

McCarthy reminds me of Brock Purdy. Like, I can talk myself into all the guys. So not cheating at 2 is my bold prediction. Man, if they are drafting a quarterback to fit Cliff Kingsbury system, that I understand what you're saying. And I guess you have to factor that in. But man, that would make me nervous as a commander's fan. I think you had this take.

So like back in like November or December, I feel like when we first, like we mentioned the quarterback prospects on this pod. And I think one of your big takeaways was like, Caleb Williams is awesome. After that, people are going to have different tastes for the next group of quarterbacks, right? I, like, we've had this conversation before. And I also, we had that conversation.

We also had the, oh, man, the commanders are actually a nice spot to reload really fast conversation. I remember, and now I'm like, freak, man, come on. Like, we got this coaching staff with these free agency moves and now the potential of Bungle two overall. Like, ah, we're coming out the gate a little flat here, man. Yeah, that was before they hired an offensive coordinator before this offensive line was in the shape that it's in. So I agree with you that it's hard. Like,

I don't have a, like, you have a stronger take that you love, uh, you know, Drake May as number two. I'm kind, I hate to be like so wishy-washy, but I just like, I, I, I really will not crush any of these teams for their quarterback choices in the top five. I mean, I can sort of see it with all of these guys. I like Jade and Daniels more than you do. I see the upside. I see the tools with Drake May, even though I'm not as high on him as you are. And then J.J. McCarthy, it's like for a lot of these schemes, you can just kind of see it. Like, oh, yeah, he would probably fit well there. I could see

why an NFL team would like him. So you think, you have Drake May in your mock draft, which everyone can read on the ringer.com. I had Drake May in my, like, predictions column that is on the ringer.com as well. Now, part of that was, you know, for content, but still, you know, the record

is the record. I had the commanders taking Drake May at number two. So we'll see. Will it be Jaden Daniels, who has been reported to be the favorite for weeks, months now, but at the same time, no one's kind of stamping it saying, yes, 100%. There's always a caveat with it. So that's been interesting.

Or will it be one of those things like you mentioned with Baker Mayfield in the past where all of a sudden maybe the night before the draft, we hear, oh, you know what? It really could be Drake May at number two for the Washington commander. So it's a fun. You're usually like the, hey, you know, NFL getting it right. is a fun. This is a fun top of the draft. Like I think the further down we get, I was like, all right, I'm getting kind of boredier in the 20s.

But the top of this draft with the uncertainty at two, with the uncertainty at three, with the likely trade down at four, with a possible trade down at five, with the wide receiver talent. Like there is a lot of juice at the top of this draft. It should be an exciting start, I feel like. Extremely juicy draft at the top. I think the back end of the first round will also get exciting. I think this can be super trade heavy this year as well. And so to me, yeah, no, this is, this is a fun one.

That's why I'm hoping we get reports and line movement and chaos over the next couple of days because it is a rife draft for uncertainty and madness at the top. Now, do your other takes have to do with like, you know, three and four and what happens if Jaden Daniels doesn't go to, or should I ask you about that now? No, I didn't make my takes conditional another takes. Okay, so let's play it out here. Drake May goes number two, let's say. What do you think the New England Patriots do at number three?

Jaden, Daniels, J.J. McCarthy, or trade out? I would guess they stay and take Jaden. That would be my anticipation. That is a prognostigation I deliver with even less certainty than Jaden's going to. You know what I'm saying? Like it is the fact that the commanders have kept their cards so close to the best so well, which, by the way, like, it doesn't actually mean anything. like, good on out of Peters, man.

This is hard to do to keep it as tight as they have. Objectively, I think it's challenging. And so they've kept their cards close to the best. What that is, I think, one of the things that, the consequence of that is that we, we don't know anything about what the Patriots are going to do at three. If we knew what the commanders were going to do it two, we could start to, like, really delve into what the Patriots are going to do at three. But the Patriots are also really quite the tough nuts of crack.

They're a big riddle, less so because, like, you know, they're kind of keeping the reporting in-house, but more so because, like, Elliot Wolf, Alonzo, high, Smith, Geron Mayo. Like, they are completely new. Like, this is the first Patriots team we've had outside of the Belichic era in a year starts with the two. So we don't know what they care about as a team. Like, are they going to care about size?

They're going to care about movement skills. What do they want to be philosophically? We just don't know. And so I think Jaden, but man, JJ wouldn't surprise me. Tradeback wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, Mike Reese of the ESPN, very plugged in. Great guy, great reporter, has been covering that team for a long time. He had a piece on ESPN over the weekend.

That suggested that, like, he feels like, or his report. supporting suggests that it's going to be a quarterback for the Patriots that they just feel like they can't pass on it at this point when they have the number three overall pick. But again, everything comes with a caveat. So you never know. All right. Let's, all right. So you have Daniels at three. And then what would you have at four? What did you have in your mock at four? I think I think the cardinals are staying and taking a wide receiver. That's my, that's my expectation. Oh, I think that Marvin Harrison, F4. The way that the way that, the way that, that Monty seems to be a run in this right now is basically saying, hey, like, I would like to stay and take Marvin.

Like, you can move me off of it if you absolutely nuke the offer. Like, that's, that's the presentation. Shefter was on McAfee earlier today. We're recording on Monday, talking about how if a trade happens for four, he thinks it's going to be on draft night. It goes back to what we talked about on last Monday's episode. The closer we get the draft day and this trade doesn't happen. I think the more sketchy this gets from Minnesota, the more interesting that this gets overall. So he thinks a trade for four wouldn't happen until draft night, which is fair, right? If you're the Cardinals, you don't know which quarterback's going to be there at four. And so you could make a trade now and make another team take the risk for going to get that guy. Or if you know the Vikings want X and you can wait and roll the dice, and if X makes it there, then you can really get questy to the screws, right?

So there's a little risk or reward here. I do think they say in draft the wide receiver. I think the charges at five are the tradeback spot for where a quarterback actually ends up going. All right. I've got May it to McCarthy at three to the Patriots and then the Raiders trade up there to four with the Cardinals to take Jaden. Daniels. All right. Take a break. Come back with more of our predictions. All right. We are back on extra point taking. All right. My next prediction. So like I feel like

you're going to rip this one. But you know what? Sometimes I got to take a swing. You know what? Sight unseen. I'm willing to rip it. Whatever it is, I disagree. All right, it was going to be that Drake May is the second best quarterback. Let's go! That wouldn't be a prediction. All right, I've got the New York football giants ending up with a quarterback in this draft. His name is Michael Pennix, Jr. The Giants.

Not at six. Okay, here's how it happens. The Giants are on the clock at six. And I already told mine are kind of contingent one on the other, you know, just because this was in my head when I went through the first 32. I'm like, all right, what do I got here? So, all right, the Cardinals move from 4 to 13. Then they pull the old full Monty.

What's the full Monty? You trade back and then you trade up and you take a premium position. We saw them do it last year. Montaustin Fort. They traded back. They come back up. Parrish Johnson Jr. Left tackle.

Almost the exact same thing this year. They trade back to 13. Then they come back up to number six. and the Arizona Cardinals take Malik neighbors there, and the Giants end up moving back to 13. So in this scenario, the Giants end up having the Raiders pick. Now, any report you read out of New York Giants reporters for the last two months, what has been the number one focus is that this team's doing a lot of work on the quarterbacks.

They kind of like a J.J. McCarthy. They kind of like a Drake May. They had dinner with Michael Pennix Jr. after his pro day. They sent everyone out there. They watched it. then they took the man to a nice dinner out there. They're doing a lot of work on these quarterbacks. And I think they should do a lot of work on these quarterbacks.

Daniel Jones, one more year, you're tied to him. Deal was a mistake in the first place. You knew that if you listened to extra point taken. You probably knew that even if you didn't listen. I'm going to say, you knew that if you got two eyes. We don't want to give ourselves credit. Yeah, yeah. I don't need, we don't need to flex on that one.

You knew that without listening to us. So they're tied to him for one more year after 2024, for no guaranteed money for Daniel Jones Jr. They can move on from, wait, no, it's just Daniel Jones. Michael, Mike. I mean,

you want to give him a box named Danny. Go for it. That's your prerogative. There's too many names in my head. So like, I can't keep up with this like you can. The 150 names that I'm supposed to know school and year and position and have a take on him.

I'm not built for this draft life. This is a young man's game. I'm not built for it. Okay. Daniel Jones. not Daniel Jones Jr. They can move on from him. Brian Daibald, Joe Shane,

what's their plan at quarterback? So when they're at 13, as I was going through this process, I thought, all right, they could take an offensive lineman, they could take a cornerback. At some point, though, if you like the upside of a quarterback,

and it might be a little bit high for Michael Pennix, Jr. I don't know. I'll hear what you think about him here in a second. But if you like the upside, again, you're weighing two things. percentage that the pick hits, and upside if the pick does hit. So even if the percentage is, I don't know that it's going to hit,

if you get to a certain point, then you say, well, if it does hit, and we think he can be like the 15th best quarterback in the NFL on a rookie contract that is very, very, very, very valuable. They should know that better than anyone after what they paid Daniel Jones after his only good year in the NFL. So I've got the Giants trading down, landing a quarterback. Some people, you know, there's a lot of rumors that, maybe they could trade up, maybe they could stay put, and still end up with a J.J. McCarthy

or a Drake May. So I've got a little curveball here where they trade down and they take Michael Pennix, Jr. What do you think? Have you watched Penix? Not as closely as you have. You don't like him. Well, here's the thing. Panics is a tricky prospect for me because charting-wise, I do not like him.

History-wise, like, medical, you know, red flag-wise, I should say, like medical checks and at his age, and the fact that he played on a team is just three NFL receivers, three NFL offense alignment, NFL tight and NFL running back, like NFL office coordinator. Like, there's a lot to be worried about in that regard, right? So like red flag wise, I don't like him, film wise, I don't like it very much.

With that said, when you go and you look at like some of the round three, round four, round five quarterbacks that hit, one of the shared characteristics, they're willing to just trigger. They're willing to just go. And they kind of, they, and the thing about Pennix is like, if I were a team that had the super friends, right, that had, like, if I were like,

the dolphins and I just had like multiple elite wide receivers, right? And I'm trying to find a day, two, day three quarterback to take and to just pilot my offense. The guy I would take would be probably bonex. But Pennix is really far up there for me. And I can see a world where Pennix is like good on a rookie deal because he just shoots. Like he throws a generally catchable fall. I don't find it very precise, but a generally catchable ball. And he gives his receiver shot after shot after shot, right? He is just, he has just, he has. He has, he, he, is not afraid of coverage. He is not a fate of pressure. Like, he will just play the offense. He will throw the ball down the field. He will let his receivers make him right. And that might sound stupid.

Like, Ben, like, that's not like, what are you talking about? There are a lot of quarterbacks who are afraid of doing that. They don't like to do that. They don't like the way it looks on their stats sheet. They don't, they try to solve problems. They think that they're better than they are. Pennix knows where his bread is buttered. And so I can see worlds where Penix is good on a rookie deal. I really can. With that said, I'm not trying to take that at 27. You know, and that's the big thing for me. You say, oh, you know, the fifth year option. Sure. But like, And not when I'm rolling the dice on this caliber of a player. Like I'm not more interested in the fifth year option when it's like Derek Carr, Teddy

Bridgewater. Hey, like he's not like perfect. He's not like an elite mover. But man, like it'd be from my pocket, you can kind of shred you up a little bit. Like, Pennix doesn't hit that caliber for me. And so in round one, he gives me pause. For the Giants, he also gives me pause. Giants aren't good enough.

Right? Then I'm going to think a play like Pennicks for work. Pennicks would just have to do too much for the team to elevate. I don't think he has that that in him. That's the tricky thing about the Giants is that the Giants are looking for a Daniel Jones replacement, but they also need better personnel. Like they need better guys to bring a rookie quarterback along. And so they're not even ready for a Daniel Jones replacement.

That's why I would really prefer if they just go wide receiver, offensive tackle, wide receiver, just investing the office, investing office. And maybe it makes Daniel Jones good for another year. Great. Even if not, you're in a better spot to get a quarterback next year. I think that's probably the right approach for them. You're right. You look at that roster and you go,

Joe Shane's third year, and this is the roster? Like you kind of look around there and go, ooh, like they have some young guys who maybe they'll come through here, Deontay Banks maybe comes through next year, but like Evan Neal has not been good. They got nothing at wide receiver. They let Sequin Barkley walk. The Daniel Jones contract wasn't good. So defensively, I like their defensive line, Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, and Kavon

Tibado, at least from last year. So they've got some talent. I don't think there's another position group on that roster where you say. say like, are they above average? I mean, the answer is probably no. I generally agree with your Penax assessment. I think he's much more interesting to me in a spot where they've got some pieces in place and you're like, all right, they can, you know, he can kind of go in there and play and he

doesn't have to carry the offense. That would be interesting to me. But, you know, you're right. He's not like, sometimes you go to a training camp and there's a quarterback who every rep grambles because they don't like and you're like, all right, this person doesn't have it. They don't know what they're saying. they're not letting it rip. That is not Michael Penix Jr.

He's not going to take sacks. He's going to let it rip. He's going to give guys chances from the pocket. It's tough to figure out exactly. Is there like a scheme? Is there like a team fit? I know you said the dolphins. Like the Vikings.

Does he fit with the Vikings? Yes or no? Is there another team? Yes. Okay. So you like him with as a potential. And with the Vikings, I think is good. I think him with the Raiders is good enough.

Right. Jacobi and Devante. I think it'd be nicer if they were better on whatever it's called. the offensive line, but in general, like, I think that one works. Bronco sounds awful. Gosh, it sounds terrible. It's just disgusting. Sure, go for it, though, if you want.

Seahawks, the Seahawks to me are like, okay, like, Ryan Grubb knows how to make panics work. You have Medcaf in hand. You have JSN. Like, that'd be the one that I would be going for. All right. There you go. So where did you have Pennix going in your mock?

Did you have him going in the first round or no? No. I do not. I am extremely suspicious of the idea that Panics will be a round one player and Boenix as well. I know right now Pennix is favored more likely to go round one than he isn't. I don't, I don't buy that at all for a second to be frank. Okay. All right. What do you have? What is your second take? Second pick? Bold prediction. You might bully me, but I want to get this out into the world because I think it's going to happen. I think it's a good enough chance to happen. I don't think

Joe Alt's the first offense alignment off the board. In fact, given the conversations that I've had, oh, you're already smirking at me. Listen. No, I love that you think like, I'm not in your little circles. I'm not going to bully people for a take like that. I mean, that's crazy. crazy. I'm offended that you would even think that I, like, well, you think I care that much about Joe Alt not being, like, I'm going to make funny you for that. Offensive lineman. That's your, no, it's good. I'm interested. Tell me, who's the, who is the first offensive lineman? Or it just it's the field. I think it's J.C. Latham, the tackle at Alabama. Right now, J.C. Latham is 14 to 1, be the first tackle off the board at Fandallndall Sportsbook.

This is, and that's a bet at exactly that price that I have a ticket at 14, like last week, and it's still there. Latham, for those who don't know, he's coming, he's, he's, he's, he's, one of the younger office alignment that we have in the class. He's coming out as the third year junior. He's 21 years old. He's one of the better, one of the craziest size guys that we have in this just class. Like obviously you have a Marius Mims who's who's supersized 87 inch wingspan. But Latham's there.

He's got 84 inch wingspan, 35 inch arms. He's 3402 pounds. He's enormous. Multiple year starter at right tackle at Alabama. Like this is the exact sort of profile. Like when you have guys at Alabama who are built like this, move like this and have this experience, those guys typically go like top 10, top 15, right? Like this is just like a SEC offensive linemen through and through.

He is dominant in the running game. Multiple years running the right side. Just road pavor, road greater. Like, Tiles Fulag at Oregon State gets the, like, highlight clip real stuff dropped on it. Snap to snap. I think Latham is better in the running game. And then Latham is remarkably better in the passing game. NFL teams have kind of been intimating this.

I know that one of the NFC personnel guy gave the quote to Lanzerline, where he said, All in Latham of the two best in this class, Latham will be better over the course of his career. And when we start figuring out, okay, who's going to go one overall? the thing with Latham is that Latham played exclusively on the right side, and that actually kind of helps him a little bit at the top of the draft. The first spot you're looking is five overall to Los Angeles Chargers. They got Ray Sean Slater on the left, right?

And we know that Harbaugh wants to be a run the football downhill, physically dominant team. And so if you tell me the Chargers take a tackle at five, J.C. Lathen just makes way more sense for them than Joe Alt does. Alt would have to move from the left to the right. An Alt who played in Notre Dame is a great run blocker, don't get me wrong, is just better in terms of past protection. That's what his body is built for.

That's what his profile is built for. You go to the Tennessee Titans at seven. Now this is, okay, like they'd certainly have room for a Joel on the left side. I think a room of both tackle spots, if we're being honest. But if we talk about a Bill Callahan team in the development of traits and bringing all the offense alignment and growth and whatever, J.C. Latham has some of the stuff that you can't teach. Again, so does Joe All.

But like, J.C. Latham is right up there in terms of developmental traits and the size. Oh, he's a little bit. bit more heavy-footed. I don't think, he's not that much of a plotter. Like, certainly he's not, like, you know, Olo Foshano sprinting out there, Troy Fotton, who looks like he's like 280 pounds on the hub, but he can still move. It's like, I think that, that there's a reasonable expectation for him to have that spot. You go to the Jets at 10. The Jets are taking a tackle, man. Between Tyrant Smith and Morgan Moses, left side and right side, I think you feel a lot better about Tyrant Smith staying and playing the left side. They do Morgan Moses staying and playing

on the right side. So, okay, I think they're more likely to go right-handed. I think that, again, J.C. Latham is your best right tackle off the board. So some of the teams that need tackles up front in the top 10, I think are at a higher likelihood to address the right side than the left side than people realize. And while Joe Alt certainly can switch and like you can talk about that, there is an elite right tackle prospect in this class. His name is J.C. Latham. And that's how the league views it. League views them as the second tackle in the class, if not the first tackle in the class.

So to me, I think that J.C. Latham has a shot to be the first tackle off the board. Joe, a little bit of a draft day fall. Would not surprise me. Uh, where do you have J.C. And you know J.C. Latham's nickname, right? I think I told you on another pot. Uh, it's like, it's like cheeks or juice or something's cool. No, it is not.

Oh, it could be now. Cheeks or juice. It sounds like that. He nicknamed himself Trench King. He's Trench King. He nicknamed himself. Uh, T.K. Cheeks are juice, though.

Those are two cool nicknames. Yeah. All right. So where do you have, uh, J.C. Latham going here? Uh, in my. draft, I have J.C. Latham going to the Chargers, but I have the Chargers trading back to 11. And so I have the Joe Alt, taking the Titans, going to the Titans at 7, and then I have J.C. Latham at 11. Now, Chargers stay at 5, can't find a trade partner, don't need to find a trade

partner. Again, you tell me the charges take a tackle at 5. I would bet just much minus J.C. Lath is up with Joe Alt. I think that, and I think Jim Harbaugh would think he is, like, he would have no qualms about it whatsoever. Remember also, like, Harbaugh was just in college, all right? he preparing for the cultural ball playoff. He scouted and watched J.C. Latham that Alabama offensive line. Latham was lighted out in that game. Wouldn't I be surprised if he's a huge J.C. Latham fan? So would you take, now and then we'll get back to this very consistent discussion in the top 10,

tackle or wide receiver. I mean, the chargers at five, if they stay, if they don't move back, how would you feel about them taking a J.C. Latham over, say, a Malik neighbor? I'll start. I would not like that. I would say, I think you have to take neighbors. I think you do because you just,

you can get better tackles in round two than you can get wide receivers in round two. Even with, and you can get good receivers in round two. So I would not hate it. I would not fault them too much. I'd be very interested what the plan is at wide receiver,

round two, round three. You kind of got to throw a lot of, a lot of darts out of there. The other thing is that you say the name explicitly Malik Neighbors. Neighbors is exactly what they've been missing, right? Let's get some speed on the field. Let's go down field.

And so that, that particular fit is very, very attractive. With that said, I have been, since day once, the first mock came out, I gave the charge to tackle at five, and people were furious at me, and I was like, guys, like, they, Herbert is getting hurt, dude. Herbert is taking too many hits and he's getting hurt. Like, they tackle is a very serious, and guard too, and the thing about Latham is Latham can potentially play a guard as well. They need offensive line help desperately, and so I won't fault them too much if they go Latham over neighbors. I won't like it, but I wouldn't

hate it. I would like him to have someone to throw the football to, when I look at that depth chart with the charges. They've invested a lot in that offensive. I know it is some sunk, sunk costs and all that. Like, they still need to. I understand. But, man, I would love for them to just either get, stay there, get a wide receiver, or if you're going to do, I mean, one interesting question with a lot of these teams in the top 10 that are looking tackle,

is like, how bunch do they have these guys together? You know, like, is it like, well, they're all in the same tier and we're throwing a dart or is it like, no, no, like you're saying, are they like, no, no, Latham is a tier above these other guys, and let's not mess around and take him. And then for teams trading up, it's like, do you want to trade up for a tackle? If it's this deep and they're going to be guys available, again, it depends.

Do you have a guy who's separate with all your scouting and analytics and coaching and whatever else you put into your formula and it puts out, all right, what kind of grade do we have on this guy? You know, is it worth to get worth it to give up extra draft capital to go get that guy or do you just say, all right, you know what?

If they're bunched together, let's just chill here and wait, those are some of the big questions. all this good process stuff, I'm promising you. Harba's taking Latham, he's getting on the mic and he's saying when we played Latham, he beat us, he beat our butts for four quarters in the trenches. And I like him and he's big and he's scary. Like I promise you that's the logic.

Yes, that is true. Even as I was saying it, I'm like, I don't know how many teams they're actually going to be thinking like this. So we gel see. All right. Take one more break. I'll come back with our final bold predictions and the extra point taken. All right, we are back on extra point taken.

My third one. I'm just going to start there. Oh, you're going to make fun of me for this. I mean, offended, you know, a classy guy. I like offensive linemen. I'm interviewing Jason Kelsey while you're in diapers. Come on. The offensive linemen always liked me.

You've gone from your offensive line era, all right? Listen, I, every time I'm the hipster. I was interviewing offensive linemen before it was cool. Now that it's cool, I'm out. Exactly. You always present yourself as the flow to the hipsters when you have many hipster proclivities. I did. Someone actually called me out.

I think it was last week where I said, all right, I hear more people using the term football hipsters. We started football hipsters and people were like, that's a very hipster thing to say that like you started it and you were on it. And I'm like, all right, yeah. That's probably true. So nice job by the expats on that one. All right, my third one.

the Jacksonville Jaguars trade up for one of my favorite prospects in the first round Malik neighbors. Brian Thomas Jr. Brian Thomas Jr. Can they get up to get Malik Nore?

I guess they could. I've got him to 17 to 8 and with the Falcons. Oh, you do? Okay. Yes. The Falcons are going to trade the Jaguars Calvin Ridley for a season

and then Calvin Riddly is going to leave and then the Falcons are going to trade with the Jaguars again. The Jaguers can go get Malik Navors to replace. Ace Calvin Ridley. That's what's going to happen. I'm going to die laughing. That would be pretty exciting, Malik neighbors, but Brian Thomas Jr. too. I mean, Brian Thomas. I love this guy. Again, one of my favorite prospects in the first round, LSU wide receiver, big, fast, productive, and Trent Balke, what does he like? He likes those athletes. He likes those measurables.

You know, we did our GMs with the most at stake, Sollack. Was it last week, week before, whenever we did that. I think it was two weeks ago. And one of the guys, I thought about was Trent Balky, and I'm looking at that Jaguar's team, and I don't, like, it's probably not just Bulkie. If they don't have a good season here with Balky and Doug Peterson, like, if they don't make the playoffs, and it's two years in a row where they don't make the playoffs and kind of the first year they made it, but they snuck in and then they have the comeback win against the Chargers, I don't know what happens with that regime if they don't have a nice season here. And so I always like to identify the GMs who might be feeling that heat,

thinking, I got to kind of say my, make sure I got some job security here. And Balke might be one of those guys. At the same time, they lose Calvin Ridley, like you mentioned, in free agency. They need a wide receiver. If it's Brian Thomas, Christian Kirk, and Gabe Davis and Evan Ingram, I feel like a lot better about that. Even having said what I've said before, which is that rookie wide receivers are hit or miss, even though there are some great ones, I would still feel a lot better about that. So Jaggars are slated to pick at 17.

I had them in my mock trading up to 12 with the Denver Broncos and taking Brian Thomas Jr. What do you think about Brian Thomas Jr., where he goes and that potential move for Jacksonville? I like the Jacks to take a receiver. They've done their work on their top receivers. I think that they very clearly planned to be in a Calvin Ridley, Gabriel Davis, Christian Kirk world, and like Zay Jones kind of be the odd. man out of that trio and then Calvin surprised them and left for Tennessee and now they're scrambling a little bit. I like them to take a receiver in round one. I like them to be aggressive

to go do it. They think they're a little bit on tilt. I don't love up five spots for the fourth best receiver at 12 overall. That feels rich for my blood, right? Especially like this is not like the Drake London, Crystal Lave, Garrett Wilson, James, and Williams year where it's like, dude, all these guys are, like these cats are unbelievable. Like to me like it's a clear top three and then Brian Thomas. And I do think that if you want Brian Thomas at 17, you can't go and get them. I think that you, I think the Colts at 15 are kind of going to be your, your issue there. But I will say that like, I don't know, like I'm happy to let the Colts take Brian Thomas at 15 and then I solve the problem later.

Like I, as a guy who likes Brian Thomas, that it's rich for my blood. And again, like trading up five fix, I think is healthy. I obviously have them executing even bigger trade up from a league neighbors, but I think there's a delta between those two players and it's worth it. Brian Thomas, like, what's Brian Thomas doing in year one for the Jaguars with Christian Kirk and Gabriel Davis and Evan Ingram on the roster? How many targets is he garnering, right? You're kind of, you're paying the Lions tax to go get Jameson to go get like a field stretcher, which did not work for the Lions, lest we forget.

I think he could be just fine in year one. I love this guy. 17.3 yards per reception last season throughout the course of his career ran a 4-33, 3-3. Crazy athleticism. Most touchdowns by a power five receiver since Devante Smith can catch the ball downfield, can make contested catches. All right. Don't give me your diverse route tree stuff. Okay, you can teach Brian Thomas a little bit more. He can break tackles. He can run away from guys. I would be very excited to see him playing with Trevor Lawrence and Doug Peterson. I think Brian Thomas Jr. is going to go higher than maybe some people expect. I don't know what

his over-under is by these sports books, but he's someone who I think teams are going to really, really like, and I think the Jaguars could be a team to watch trading up for him. All right, so lax, what are you got? What's bold prediction number three? By pick 15, 16, let's say, first half of the first round. One of the three following players will be traded. One? Ooh, ooh. This will be a good lead-in to my, extra point taken. All right, Brandon Ayuk. Brandon Ayuk, which I feel like everybody, everybody already, like, you know, maybe this will happen, maybe this phone. Brandon Ayukes out here, like on, on Twitter and on social, being like,

it goes down in four days. Like, I don't know what, there. Something's a foot. Ayuk's up there. Number two. Did he tweet that, actually? He, he, I think it was on Snapchat or was on Instagram where he posted something where he was like, you know, fireworks in five days or whatever. Like, he's just, he's, a lot's going on with Brandon Ayuk's socials right now. I don't pretend to know what's going on. That's number one. Number two. D.K. Metcalf. Oh, that's an interesting one.

I haven't heard that name brought up. That has been, it's been rumor mill stuff. I've heard it mentioned by people. You're going to look at Metcalf's, which I can't, I literally can't tell you who these people are, so don't ask me. I heard it mentioned by people. That's a great attribution.

All right, wonderful. Well, no, because it's not public, but per sources, chill. Okay. There's been discussion about D.K. Maccaps, essentially moving out of Seattle. Right now, Medcaf is a $24.5 million cap hit. He would be a $36 million dead cap hit, right?

And so as of right now, like, structurally, they'd have to mess around with the trade. They'd have to post June 1 to try to make it better for the team this year. But they can get off of his deal this season or at the end of this upcoming season if they want to. There's been reports and rumors of frustration between him and Gino Smith. They drafted Jackson with the Jigba in the first round last year.

there is not a ton of smoke, but there is enough smoke on Metcalf potentially getting moved that I want to mention here. The third final player that will potentially get traded, which goes back to one of your points, Sheel, one of your prediction that you made,

is Giants quarterback Daniel Jones. Listen, if you're the Broncos and you're there at 12, and the Giants take a quarterback at 6, you're not calling about Daniel Jones? You're not calling and see it, listen, I'll get him out the building for you right now, right? Now again, Daniel Jones, once again,

He is a $47.8 million cap it right now. He has 69.3 in dead cap if you're out right cut. So once again, if you're going to trade him, you're going to have to mess around with the contract structure. You're going to have to post June 1. There's ways to get around it, though, because we're after the league year. So you can change some money and you can move whatever you want to. He had salary guarantees kick in earlier this year, right?

They kicked out, I think, like the fifth year, the league year or something. So he does have some guaranteed money in 2025. They weren't able to get that done beforehand. But you didn't know if you were going to get a quarterback. So let's say the Giants get to stay at six and they take Jameson McCarthy. If I am John Payton, I have absolutely 100% unequivocally calling for Daniel Jones.

Daniel Jones is for as much as we like to take the Mickey out of Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones is remarkably more functional than like Jared Stidham and Blank. I think honestly the Raiders would probably call about Daniel Jones, right? Like Gardner-Mitche, maybe not take the tires and see?

I don't think it's going to cost too much. You know that you want to move on from him. Give it a call. Give it a shot. And I don't know if this will actually happen before pick 16. It probably, that'd be a little bit too fast for it to happen. But if I want to send like, you know, this year's second, next year's second, Daniel Jones.

What? No, no, no, no, no, no. This year's second and next year's second for Daniel Jones? Not both of them. If I'm doing the negotiation, right? And I'm talking about I'll send this year's two, potentially they're coming back. Like, I didn't mean both of those picks. I'm saying when you're when you are brainstorming the deal, you want to have picks

this year that you can potentially send. And so I'm just saying that if and when the Giants take a quarterback, if I were the head coach of one, I were the general manager of one of these teams that doesn't have a QB, say the Patriots don't get their guy, I would call about Daniel Jones. I don't love Daniel Jones. I don't think 40 million for Daniel Jones was a good idea.

I do think that Daniel Jones is like the 20th best quarterback. And that can be a helpful thing to have in the building. So I do think that you're going to see a quarter. 20th best. Yeah. Wow. Do you want to name quarterbacks back and forth? Get the Daniel Jones.

Uh, not really. I mean, we can if you. I guess we might as well. All right. Let me bring up the... I'm pulling up, I'm pulling up Steve's quarterback rankings right now. I don't know if he had... I got the ESPN standings at me, all right? I don't know if he had Daniel Jones still up. He has Daniel Jones at 21, below Caleb Williams. Okay. Listen, I think Daniel Jones in the right situation is somewhat interesting to me. I think your... I think the idea that a team would give up anything of value for a guy who he's guaranteed a salary of $35.5 million. For one year.

So you're paying, so you're giving up something and you're paying Daniel Jones $36 million next year when he's coming off a season ending injury and has missed 18 games in the past three seasons and has been good for one season. Like, that is very, I don't think that that's going to, And the other thing is, you have a feel like he could be available after the season. I don't even know if he's tradable. Like it might be like a pick swap or a conditional day three thing or something for the giants to save that money that they guaranteed him. I mean, please, you call him right now.

They don't have to take J.J. McCrard. I think if you call him right now and give up and say, we'll give you a second. Yes. All right, here, we'll help him pack. Don't worry about the jet. We'll send him over. We'll find him a place to live. Don't worry about anything else.

I think we're conflating the badness of the Jones contract with the badness of Jones. No, but you're trading for, you're still trading for a one year $36 million contract, guaranteed. Right, but like, I'm, Daniel Jones on one year $36 million is not the word. We were all fine with the franchise tag for Jones after his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his one good season. That was after his good year. Now it's another year where he couldn't stay healthy and didn't play well. Sure, but I'm saying, we were fine with the franchise tag. That was functionally one year and how many million? What would it have been? It would have been around that number.

Yeah, but that was a, I mean, like, Jacoby Berset went for what, one year eight million, like to the Patriots, and now you're going to give up draft capital and pay Daniel Jones one year 36? Like, that's crazy. Okay. I don't like that I've become this person, but Daniel Jones is measurably better than Jacoby percent, Sheel. Measurably? I just, I know, no, he's not.

He's a little bit better. He is not measurably better than Jacobi percent. You put them both in the same situation. Your offense will probably be. a little bit better with the... I'm not even sure how much better it's going to be quite honestly. They're absolutely in the same tier

of starting quarterback. I don't agree. And I like it. I like a Jacoby. But Jacoby has been a bounce around QV2 backup for a long time in the league. And I decided to say, oh, well, Daniel Jones has been a starter, so he's better.

But the league has told you where they're at on Jacoby. He's fringe QB1, high-end QB2. I think Daniel... Yeah, but you're the one who may always makes the point about Gino. The league told us what they thought about Gino for a while, and then a team gave him a shot,

and he was a competent quarterback. Okay, yes. Jacobi's been given more shots than Gino was given. Number one, he's had his chances to earn that. Number two, I, when Gino got the Seahawks job, I was not of the opinion. I was like, yeah, he's a, you know, he's a Jacoby percent. He's a low end QB1, high in QB2. Then Gino was good.

And I was like, holy smokes, I got to lock it in with these guys. So I paid some more attention to Jacoby percent. I still feel pretty fine about where my opinion is on him. Daniel Jones is a low end QB1. He is a starter, right? and like, oh, he had that one good season. Yeah, we're forgetting that, like, he had that one good season. And Brian Dable and they, oh, like, you know, they had this environment and this, that, whatever.

But it's not like he was, like, throwing to six elite receivers. It's not like he was playing behind a dominant offensive line. Like, it was, oh, we're going to use this guy as a runner a little bit more, right? We're going to use this guy just like a short game RPO Trigger Man a little bit more. And this can work for him. Like, the best, if the top four quarterbacks go, one, two, five, six, okay? the best quarterback on the market for the Denver Broncos without question will be Daniel Jones in terms of talent alone now we can debate the cost of the trade we can debate the value of taking the contract whatever Jones is the best talent that's left like the Ryan Tannahill deal right Tannahill was coming off of major injuries he was a first round pick that didn't work out the dolphins traded him and a sixth to get a fourth right so okay that's like day three picks well like you were talking about Daniel Jones I would absolutely

do that for Daniel Jones. Well, yeah, that's different. Yeah, that, okay, that, that is different to me. Right. Now, again, I still, like, one of the weird things this offseason has been teams, like the contract stuff has really factored in, you know, when, when teams have had to take on money or pay a guy new money. Now, maybe you're right. Maybe they'll look at it and say, hey, it's the quarterback. We want to take a flyer and no big deal. But yeah, so if we're getting into a day three pick swap, then I can probably get there with you. If we go higher than that, then I can, I mean, think about if you're a Broncos fan and your team traded it like how would you feel a second round pick for Daniel Jones you would you would probably be like yeah so okay if if we're saying second

rounders too high which I'm fine with right Josh Rosen was like a second round pick I want to say whatever but still then maybe it's not happening within the first 16 picks like I said iuk de Kemeck so I think those guys might go for like first round selections you want to kind of get that done early whatever Jones maybe okay he doesn't get done until the day the end of round one I'll give that one to you. I strongly, like if I were in my room, GMen, preparing for the draft, one of the absolute, like, top things I would have on my board is if and when the Giants take a quarterback, I want to go find out the Daniel Jones price. Because that to me is like a, if Tua can have the offense that he's had in Miami and if Purdy can have the offense

that he's had in San Francisco, like, I have a player with enough talent in Daniel Jones that I could build a good officer on him. I saw Dable do that. A season. A season. A person. A, two seasons ago, right? So to me, I would absolutely be kicking those tires. And then if it's not good, it's not good. Maybe they want a bridge thing.

Maybe they take McCarthy, like, we know he needs a year, so we're going to keep Daniel Jones. And then it doesn't happen. But I think if we are saying the percent chance of Giants take a quarterback is like 20 percent, then I'm telling you the chance

that teams call about Daniel Jones trade is 19 percent, right? I think that's going to happen. Actually, I do find Jones as an interesting flyer for a team with a better information. restructure. Like I'm not telling you, I think he like completely, he has been in a bad situation and he has not played well consistently over a long period of time. However, you absolutely have seen the flashes with him and the physical tools where you could talk to yourself, even if he was just in a situation where you're like, the offensive line is good, you know, and the supporting cast is

average and the coach is good. I would be interesting to see, interested to see him in that situation. The way teams operate. Now, maybe if the Giants say, hey, we will pick up X amount of his contract, if you give us some compensation, something like that, maybe it could work. It's a great take by you. It's a new, it's hard on the Monday before the draft to come up with new angles for what could potentially happen during the draft. You caught me off guard. You caught me by surprise. I didn't think I was going to get into a Daniel Jones trade discussion and now it's fun. Now maybe, maybe they'll trade Daniel Jones. And then, you know, this is how it would go in the room. I come in assistant GM, we should be trading for Daniel Jones.

You're the gym, like, that's ridiculous. I convince you, they do a cool little Vindio monchage of it in two years. When Daniel Jones is playing the divisional round for us, be nice. Then if it doesn't work out, I whispered to the owner. I was all sole X idea, you know. And then if he plays well, I remind the owner, hey, I'm the one calling the shots here. And I had the final say. Number one part of the job, show.

Number one job? Yeah. Keeping the job. Keep the job. There you go. All right, good stuff. I like it. All right.

So, I yuk. Daniel Jones, sorry. Who was the second guy? I got all Daniel Jones down. Which, there's been rumblings on the horizon. And Daniel Jones as your big wild card there. This is the thing. Like, you know, sometimes the day before the draft, you're like, all right, I can chill a little bit.

The draft is tomorrow. And then you get, bam, the blockbuster trade happens 24 hours before the, or even the morning of the draft where you're like, all right, you know, go get a workout in, take a walk or something. 45 minutes before day two starts. But reporting that teams sets the Georgia McCarthy for the Giants, start calling. about Daniel Jones. I will count that as a win. I would like, this is basically what I said, even though it's not. Absolutely. 100% if Daniel Jones gets traded, I will give you credit. That's a nice little curveball to throw in to the draft. I like it. All right, I'm stealing your bit, So lack, for the extra

point. Take him, I'm giving you three things. A bit infringement. Bit infringement. From most, like, listen, I've U.S. as a team. You might not. And so I feel like I'm allowed to steal the bit. I've U.S. is a team. if I give you attribution. You know, if I were stealing it and saying it was my idea, that's uncalled for it. But I'm stealing.

Sometimes I'm out of ideas. I'll be honest. Sometimes I'm just out of ideas and I got to steal an idea and credit it. And that's what's happening here. Okay. Three things. Number one. This goes off of one of the ones you said.

Brandon I.U. gets traded for a first round pick. Maybe it's the Pittsburgh Steelers at 20. Maybe it's the Buffalo Bills at 28. Now, the reporting out of San Francisco, for the most part, has been this is not happening. It's more likely that a contract gets done. And I still think I lean that way. But until a contract gets done, we can at least mention it.

We can at least speculate recklessly about him potentially getting traded. So there you go. Brandon and I get traded for a first round pick. That's number one. Number two, the New York Jets trade up to five for Marvin Harrison Jr. They say, we're all in. We know we should probably take a tackle. But sometimes in this life, you got to be a little irresponsible just to feel alive.

And that's what we're doing here. We're surrounding Aaron Rogers with Garrett Wilson, Mike Williams, Breeze Hall, and Marvin Harrison, Jr. That's going to be real interesting around Aaron Rogers. You have Joe Douglas. You have Joe Ortiz. They work together, the Chargers GM. They work together in Baltimore.

They make a little deal. Chargers move back. Jets move up, Marvin Harrison, Jr. And then three, which I now know that you're going to have as the least likely is that six, I think, although the other ones aren't likely either. So maybe you want six quarterbacks go in the first round. You've been saying six quarterbacks are not going in the first round. Five quarterbacks are not going in the first round. It's going to be four.

All of you people with your Michael Pennicks, Boat Knicks jumping in there, get out of my face. They're not going until Friday. Stop with this nonsense. But maybe teams fall in love and six of them go. So there you go. those three things. Ayuk trade, Marvin Harrison Jr.

to the Jets at five, and six quarterbacks go in the first round, rank up most likely to least likely for the draft. What do you got? Most likely as Marvin Harrison to the Jets at five. Oh, listen, the Broncos are in,

I think, the strongest position of aggression, where I can just see them going mad, right? Just use all the resources now. We've got to get good quick. Sean Payton, here we go.

The Jets are second, right? Joe Douglas and Robert Sala. they've been there for a long time. No divisional titles to show for it. No playoffs to show for it. You got to win some ball games. If you sniff anybody fall in a little bit of these top three receivers. Absolutely.

Go up and grab a guy. Oh, they don't need it. They have Garrett Wilson. They have Mike Williams. Nope, they do. And even if they didn't, you do it to make the point. You do it to be like, we are all in for this season. We are investing right now.

If you're Jared Douglas, you don't expect to be around to spend 2026 picks. Right? And if you are, that's 2026's problem. Right now, use 2026's pick. 2024's problem. I think that they are a good candidate to aggressively trade up for a round one receiver. That's the most likely. Brandi-diuk trade, I would say is the second most likely. I put a brand-dyee trade at like less than 10%. I don't think that it happens. I think it'd be silly for the 39ers if they do it. I think the only world in which they do it is if they feel

they can immediately turn around and add a receiver that they really like as part of the deal, right? I think the only way an Iig trade happens is if they are 100% certain, the end result of that trade is like, oh, we have the 15th overall pick, the Colts sent it to us. and Brian Thomas is on the board and we want him. Like that's the only worlds in which that deal, I think it gets done.

So I think it's unlikely. I think it's less 10%, but I will say it's second. Six quarterbacks are not going in the first round. It's not happening. One percent chance. We do this every year.

We do this every year. Every year. Oh my God. It's just crazy. Everybody actually really likes this guy who's been quarterback five the whole time. Yeah, no.

He'd be higher if he wasn't. If he were good, that's always the, fundamental truth of it. All teams want is a good quarterback. That's the only thing in the entire world that matters is drafting a good quarterback early. If a quarterback were good enough to go round one, we would start hearing about it in February. If it starts happening in April, it's not real.

Because teams just figured out Michael Pennix is in this draft. Pennix was playing in a college football playoff. It's the national championship. Oh, and after four months of film review and interviews, now we think the guy's round one player? Hogwash. Absolutely not. It's horse feathers. He's not going round one.

I love how worked up you get about that. I'm just telling you for the remainder of our lives whenever we podcast together, I'm going to be bringing up how many quarterbacks are going to go in the first round just to get that reaction from you. So I'm preparing you for it now. You won't be able to help yourself. I'm not just going to do it this year. I'm going to do it next year.

I don't do the year after that. If there's at some point where we're not even, I'm just going to call you or text you and tell you it, even if it's not for public consumption. The problem is that I am going to be. wrong because as as what well no like maybe not so passionate about it no because maybe not this year but as the years are go on and like quarterback just desperation becomes higher and higher and higher and higher teams are going to start doing more and more ridiculous things it's power creep right i mean it's just like the constant just like in this contract is bigger and this contract is bigger like if the raiders

taking a player like pennix at 13 overall flat five years ago was like an astonishing idea like that like flabbergassing idea. Now it's something you can just bandy around for free. Like, all quarterbacks are good. Every quarterback can work. Like, oh, we have all these systems to make these quarterbacks good now. And like, oh, you need the fifth year option no matter what. So just like, you know, doesn't matter. Just as long as you have the fifth year option, it was a good move. This is why the nerds are ruining the draft. Callback to a bent take a couple years ago. Nerds are ruining the draft because like, oh, like this, this is a plus EV decision. Like if they, if the, if the Raiders take Pennix at 13, it will be a pick that is defended

by people because you have to get a quarterback right and you need to get them on a cheap contract. the fact that there's just so much evidence that this is not the sort of player that you want to be a quarterback for the next 10 years. It just isn't. It's going to happen at some point. This is this year, next year, or following year, where I'll be like, no, there's no chance this guy goes around one than he does because the league is going bananas. But for right now, no. Well, just to defend the nerves for a second, it did change quite a bit with the new CBA, and now we're getting real nerdy in 2011, where the quarterback contracts became totally different than they were previously. And so now, again, it's the percentage chance.

and the upside. Even if the percentage chance is low, I'm of the mind. You can, you know, if you can, now, you might be right about Pennix as a prospect, but if you get to a point where a guy hits a certain percentage where you think, hey, he has this percent chance to be a competent quarterback, you can almost always justify that. So don't worry, nerds. I got your back. All right. Thank you to Benjamin Solac.

Thank you to Cliff Augustine for producing Ronick Nair on video, Eduardo Ocampo on social, additional production supervision by Connor Nevins and Arjuna Ram Gapal. Next up, we will be, I will be here Thursday night with the other Ringer, NFL, crew members, doing a little first round recap

so like you'll be doing Ringer draft show Thursday night, yes? Yeah, so we will have shows coming out pretty much all week. We'll have a live show in Detroit that we'll record on Wednesday and then Thursday I will have a round one recap. I'll have recaps up written on the site. Everybody should come and hang out. It's going to be the best time in the world. There you go.

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