The Ringer NFL Show - Trades We Want to See in This Year’s NFL Draft | Big Board

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

'Ringer Fantasy Football Show' hosts Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly share trades that they'd like to see in this year's NFL draft before discussing some listener-submitted trade ideas. Follow 'The Ringer Fantasy Football Show.' Check out The Ringer NFL Draft Guide. Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yep. Want to talk some trades, my guy? Well, what else could we do? It's probably the best part of the pre-draft process is guessing trades and trying to figure out what the hell these teams are doing. Because every year, teams do trade. It's one of the hardest parts about doing mock drafts

and trying to, like, get anywhere close to, like, actually, here in a mock draft because you cannot predict these trades. So with all that being said, we're going to try to predict a few or at least talk about a few that could happen. Yeah, we're going to predict a few. We're also going to recklessly speculate about things that will not happen, but like would be really fun to think about because that's kind of what this vibe free draft is.

It's like the most exciting part or time of being a fan if you're one of the 25 teams that are probably not going to win the Super Bowl this year. And you tell yourself, well, if we make this trade for this player, like we just trade a future first at a second for Jemar Chase, like, boom, who's going to stop us? And it just, it's kind of like buying a lottery ticket where what you're really paying for is to think about what you do with the money for however long.

And that's kind of what, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. In Washington, where I live, the lottery or the lotto, like the ad campaign that has been going on for years is it's the Department of Imagination, really, is what you're buying into. And it's like all these, like, ridiculous situations and scenarios that people think up what they're going

do if they win the lottery. So similar, I guess, to the draft in the sense that it gives people hope for what their team could be in some, you know, in some galaxy or whatever, some dimension. But, yeah, most of it's not going to come true. So that's what we're going to do. We're going to start with like the more realistic stuff

and we're going to like work our way to more. Less realistic. Last realistic. Yeah, I guess I guess we're going to go toward. I mean, tomorrow's 420. We're going to eventually work our way to like the hits bong. There we go. We'll get there eventually. Okay, so you want to start with trades that we think will happen, like real, like real talk.

AKA, it just makes too much sense. That's the way I thought about this. Do you want me to go first? Yes, you're the draft guy. You're, you're the, you've put in all the hard work. I think it'd be pretty, pretty awkward if I just was like going to like elbow you out. Be like, no, I'm going first. That's fair.

All right. So I did a new mock draft today. It was Monday. And the first one, not the first trade, but the trade that I'm like beginning. to believe more and more this is going to happen. I actually feel it will happen. Is the Patriots moving up from 15 to number seven, trading with the Lions in order to select Justin Fields quarterback from Ohio State.

Now, wow. There are many, like, scenarios where this will not happen. Maybe he ends up actually being traded, or sorry, maybe he ends up actually being drafted by the 49ers. This was all a giant smokescreen. Or maybe some other team trades up a little bit higher and jumps what the Patriots could do here. But I'm becoming more convinced that Fields is going to fall slightly. The Jets are going to take Zach Wilson.

It feels like the 49ers are going to take Mack Jones. And then someone, either the Falcons or whoever, is going to take Trey Lance. And that leaves Justin Fields just sitting out there for some team to go up and get. And there's a couple of things I think that make this make too much damn sense. Number one, it is kind of, it's against the grain for what the Patriots typically would do. in this situation. They're not a trade-up team. They're typically more likely to trade back and pick up more picks and just get more darts

and all that. But this year, the way that they approach free agency kind of makes me think they're just, they basically looked at last year and they're like, fuck that. We're not going to be bad again. Like, we can't do that. That sucked. It was not fun. We want to be good.

So they went out and spent $137 million guaranteed on the first day of free agency, which I believe was like the most ever on the first day of free agency. So that kind of just tells you their mindset, they're aggressive, they want to be good this year. They have a roster that could accommodate having a young guy come in and, you know, basically just be like a ball distributor or whatever. So yeah, I actually am beginning to believe, much to my chagrin, because it's going to make me be a, it's making me be a Patriots fan of Justin Fields ends up on the Patriots. But I just think it's going to happen. And I also think the NFL deserves for whatever they get if they let Justin Fields fall. And going to the Patriots would be like, the NFL, you deserve this.

Don't let him fall. You think this is karma? Yeah. For everyone, for all these other teams overthinking it. Do not invoke. You know what the Patriots getting Justin Fields is karma. Okay. Please don't give you that to anyone.

It's karma for all the idiots who are overthinking this is my point. So I actually have the Patriots trading up for Justin Fields. that as in the next category we're going to do, which is like trades that like maybe could happen 50, 50. I'm surprised you have it as like more likely than not basically because on one hand, the Patriots obviously never trade up, give up picks.

However, they also never signed free agents. And so it's a mix of desperation. Bob Kraft said we did it because there was a market inefficiency and like fewer teams were bidding. So we saw value. I don't know what value there is. And Nelson Aguilored $11 million a year.

I don't know what value there is in making Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith like the third and fourth highest paid tight ends. don't see a ton of value there, so I think it's more desperation and clouded. Honestly, Bobcraft's explanation of why they did this

was very much like when I just impulse buy something at Amazon and then retroactively justify it. And I'm like, yeah, it's like, no, you just wanted something you did it.

It's okay. You can admit that. That's fine. So anyway, it makes sense. My question for you is what you just hit, which is we know

that there's going to be quarterbacks one, two, three. We know it'll be Lawrence. It'll probably be Wilson. Three is kind of a mystery. But that's the thing is that we've got two quarterbacks,

which really seems it'll be two of Mack Jones, Trey Lance, and Justin Fields, who were just floating there after the third pick. And we don't know who those two teams are going to be.

And so you think the Patriots are the one that's going to make the move. I don't have like a, I don't have good insight sources for like they're going to be doing this. I'm just, I got this feeling that the market inefficiency

in this case is the NFL being stupid and like making up reasons for, Justin Fields to fall out of the top three or four or five even further. So yeah, I think that like that's just the Patriots have been a smart organization for years. They don't have a quarterback answer right now. Obviously what the contract they gave Cam Newton is ridiculously small relative to some of his peers. I mean, it's like one one year five, five point one million with a whole bunch of performance and playoff incentives baked in.

So maybe like less likely to be earned. type incentives. So they're not paying very much. They have the flexibility. If they have a rookie come in, you know, you can have a real competition. So the fact that I put this in the trade that will happen category is probably a bridge too far, I will admit. But I've just got this feeling it's going to happen. I think you've probably been texting Bill too much. That's probably why you've feeling it's going to happen. I talked to Bill about this on his podcast. I'm like,

I don't want this to happen like in the sense that I'm not trying to like pander to Bill's fantasy that this is going to happen. But I am starting to legitimately believe it's going to happen now. On the other hand, so we asked people on Twitter to give us like their scenarios that they think are going to happen, the wackiest, most likely trade

scenarios in the draft. And I'm going to say Steve Gloros from Twitter tweeted this at us. Belichick is going to spin his first round pick and do a third, two-fifths, and two-sixth, and two-sixth. He's going to use those picks to select a guard, two undersized safeties for special teams, a long snapper, and an ambidextrous punter.

And that... Oh, my God. An ambidextrous punt, it would be Belichick's dream. Much more accurate, probably. So, yeah, I think the... I'm sticking with it. The Patriots are more likely to trade down than go get a quarterback. So here's my trade that I think will happen.

Which is just... I think the Broncos trade up to get fields. And or Tray lands, whoever falls. But I think the Broncos trade... Yeah. I think that you could argue it's Detroit or Carolina. So the Broncos are sitting at nine. Detroit's at seven.

Carolina's at eight. There's probably a seven, eight, nine joke as an ambulance goes by my apartment. I feel like Denver can give up a nine and like a third rounder to move up one or two spots. That's kind of the price. I feel like a third or fourth rounder.

That's what the Bears gave up to go to the, like, to, you know, the famous Mitchell-Tribisky trade when they moved up from three to two. It's only one spot, but you're really just crowding out the Patriots or whoever the Bears or Washington

or any team that wants to move up. I feel like Denver is going to get fields. I feel like Denver is clearly the best team in the NFL that doesn't have a, quarterback. I'm not counting Drew Locke. Yeah. So I just feel like it's a no-brainer. And if they have to toss at a mid-round pick to just make sure they get the guy and they'll get

leapfrogged, I feel like that's, it's going to happen. Yeah, we're on the same page because I actually had that in my, in the next category, a trade that we think is 50-50 to happen, that the Broncos are one of the teams that will trade up and grab a quarterback. So do you want to just jump into that now? Yeah. What do you think of that? Yeah.

So it's the same deal, basically. I agree. I think that I've got the Bronter. In my scenario, the Broncos trading up to number four with the Falcons for Tray Lance. And the reason I did that was, I think the Falcons have already made it clear. They're open for business with number four. It would make sense for the Falcons to do this because they don't drop back that far. You know, they're dropping back to number nine.

There's still going to be a lot of blue chip players there at number nine. They're going to be able to pick up. I've got them giving up. The Broncos giving up a second rounder this year, a second rounder next year. So basically, and this is when you talk about value and how much it's going to cost to trade up to this spot, take a guess because it's, it will vary. You know, it just depends on the season. In this case, it's going to be for one of the top quarterbacks left. And so I think that Atlanta will really be able to like hold that pick hostage and get more than you might think.

So I have two second rounders, a second rounder this year, second rounder in 2022. That's a, you know, potential theoretical trade. But at the same time, they pick up those extra picks and they only have to move back to number nine. they still are in good situation. To pick a very good player, maybe even one of these top pass catchers. And so it's not a big deal for them. So ironic, though,

that the Falcons might pass in Justin Fields, even though Georgia let Justin Fields transfer to keep Jake from. And now the state of Georgia is going to, like, how is the city of Atlanta where Justin Fields is basically, he's from what, Mariana, which is, what, 40 minutes outside Atlanta?

How are they going to let Justin Fields leave Georgia twice? That seems ridiculous. Yeah. That would be just like a brutal twist of fate. But I don't know. Do you feel, does that mean you feel that the Falcons are going to sit there and pick? I think that to what you said about the bidding war, I think it makes sense, but only if they want the same quarterback, right? Because the reality is you need to get the bidding war, you need two or three teams coming in.

I think that it's easy to say, well, the Bears might want a quarterback to pick 20 or like the Raiders, or not the Raiders, but Washington might. It picked 19 or whatever. But realistically, all these teams get so locked in on the top prospect. that there's like a floor that you'll build in of how far your back you're willing to go. Really? Like the Falcons are sitting here staring at Kyle Pitts or Jamar Chase. Are they really going to go back further than nine?

Like who are they really bid, like who are the Broncos really bidding against to move up to that spot? You know what I mean? Nine is even kind of far when you start thinking about Kyle Pitts and then you lose him because if the Falcons have Kyle Pitts, that's like the most fun offense in football,

which is a shame because the Falcons are the most boring team in the NFL. It's kind of a tragedy. But like, if you had a lot of, Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, Kyle Pitts, and then they actually have a pretty decent, it's not a bad offensive line, and Matt Ryan, that's an un- un-blood, we do a fantasy football podcast.

That is the fantasy football dream. And hopefully they never run the ball. But with Arthur Smith as that coach, it's hard for me to think that they're going to go all the way back out of the Kyle Pitts-Chay's territory unless they get a lot of picks, but the Broncos really have to offer that. Like, who are they

competing with? Yeah, so I guess that's a good question. And, and let's so that's why I had it at 50-50 because I feel pretty strongly that it's like very close whether the Falcons just sit there take pits sit there take a quarterback or trade back I really can't get a good you know grab grab or grasp on like what they're going to do at that spot so going back to what you said so you have them going up so they're Denver's at number nine do you have them going up to number seven with the lions is that where you think they're going to just basically jump Carolina who's sitting there at number eight.

And, well, they basically have to jump and fend off everybody else, every other team that's trying to come up into the first round, or sorry, into the early first round to get a quarterback, right? So they might have to jump a few spots. It'll be cheaper for them. But on the same time, the Lions will still be able to get a very good elite player by only just dropping back a little bit. So picking up like a little, you know, just profit by dropping back two spots.

So I guess here's how I see I guess here's how I look at the top 10 just in terms of like what's what's the landscape Jaguars aren't moving the Jets aren't moving the 49ers aren't moving the Falcons probably want to be blown away with a godfather offer

and will just be disappointed and are probably secretly waiting to just get offered that package the dolphins got and will be upset and then just talk themselves into Kyle Pitts I don't think they're going to end up taking quarterback obviously they could if I were running the team I'd probably want Justin Fields

but I feel like they'll end up taking Kyle Pitts or Jamar Chase. And then at that point, I think the Bengals don't move because they just are a weird franchise and they don't seem to trade, right? Yeah. Yeah. Did you see the photo? They released of these jerseys uniforms the Bengals just released.

And then Joe Burrow has like this like 12, not 12, 8 inch scar on his knee from like this ACL surgery and it just looks gnarly. I'm like, you know what? They're going to take a tackle. I don't care. You can't see that photo of his knee and take a receiver. It's ridiculous. They're going to take a tackle.

The dolphins stayed at six. obviously to take someone. They want a pass catcher. It's clearly why they stayed in that 6-90. So they're not going to move. The Lions are a complete wild card at 7. We don't know anything about this regime. All we know is they got long,

like I think six-year contracts to rebuild this team. So you think that they would want to like maybe move back if they can get some quarterback leverage. But also my thing with the Lions is that when they talk, what did Dan Campbell, the head coach talk about in that press conference? It's like we're going to be a tough, we're going to take on the identity, this city, I mean, biting kneecaps, which a little out of context for a 90-minute press conference, but he still said it. Right.

It's like a past, like teams put a lot of effort into like who's the first player we're going to take as part of this, where they're going to set the tone. Do you think that seriously, this guy's going to set the culture? Is it really going to be a receiver to set the tone for like the identity of the Detroit lines? I feel like it's going to be an offensive lineman. I just feel that way. I don't know. Or they'll trade back and take a defender. I feel like they're once or honestly

Michael Parsons Like I feel like they want a physical player At that position or they trade back A tone setter Yeah set the tone So it's maybe the lines could trade back And the Panthers who I think when they traded for Darnold basically said

Yeah you know what if the quarterback we have really high In our board falls to us will take one But they kind of want to move back And take picks so that's all And then Broncos need a quarterback Their GM Scott Fitterer who's new on the job there in Carolina came from Seattle, who has famously traded back

every opportunity that they got in every single draft going back to 2010. You know, they've always been big believers in adding, like, more darts to throw.

So you get, like, you just have more players that can come in and contribute, especially when you're laying a foundation, like the CX early on when they're rebuilding their roster. I bet you will see Carolina churned through guys,

you know, over the next year or two and try and find, you know, the ideal sort of like foundation. So I think they're a prime tradebacks, but I think they're going to be looking to trade back. Yeah. What do we always talk about?

Separating what coaches and GMs say from what coaches and gyms do. They traded for Sam Darnold. And then they said after that, this does not rule us out from taking a quarterback. Okay. Well, if you look at what they did, it seems that they read the landscape.

The Niners beat them to the punch at the third spot. The Falcons are their division rival with the fourth spot. Panthers aren't going to be able to trade into that four spot, basically no matter what. So they're like, well, screw it. We're going to get outbid if we really want to be up there. They probably could have been at that third spot if they'd wanted to.

They didn't want to pay the price. They won't get the four. So like, screw it. We're going to get darned for a fraction of the price. And we don't have to take a quarterback now. So I guess my question, and the reason I have the Broncos trading with either the Panthers or the lions is, I don't see another team who needs a quarterback,

needing to move in the top 10 like the Broncos do. And I don't think any of these other teams will, want to trade further down than nine. And so ultimately the Broncos have the leverage because they can offer a third round pick. The team can basically pick up a free third round pick and get the player they're going to get anyway, as opposed to maybe moving from like, okay, the Bears offer you this, the Steelers offer you this, but you get a way worse player than the guy you've been targeting. Right.

It's like a massive, massive tier drop off. Yeah. Exactly. So all that to say, I think the Broncos get a quarterback. I think the Broncos flip a mid-rounder to move up a couple spots. we don't know who it is. Yeah. So I threw a couple Drew Locke stats on here just to kind of give you some context for why they would be aggressive at that spot.

Favorite subgenre of mine, Drew Locke stats. So Ben Baldwin from The Athletic does an EPA per pass plus completion percentage over expectation composite. So he calls the EPA plus EPOE. That's the nerdiest thing I've ever heard in my life. A composite. But when you look at like the people, you look at the quarterbacks who are on like high up on that list. It's a very, it makes sense. Like when you look at it like, okay, yeah,

these are the best quarterbacks in the NFL. It makes sense. On the other hand, then you have Drew Luck, who was fourth worse in that composite ahead of only Sam Darnold, Carson, Wence, and Joanne Haskins. So that is bad. Very, very bad.

And that composite basically measures how much value they add. Right. So EPA per play's expected points added. And then completion percentage over expectation is basically looking at like, you know, how much better they are than the expected slash the average. quarterback, what he would complete, how many passes he would complete in these situations.

So, yeah, I think it's definitely like how much higher they are over just like a league average quarterback. Yeah, you have your fancy stats. I just have he was last, he was dead lasting completion percentage, 57%. It's pretty tough. Yeah, and look back, he was 26th out of 33 in percentage of accurate passes from a clean pocket. Clean pocket passing is one of the stickiest stats in terms of like predictiveness and whatnot. And he just was not good in a clean pocket.

Number three, I think this is going to be a big one because they love Jerry Judy. He came in and he got like a ton of targets. You know, they had talked about how he was like one of the highest ranked players on their board when they got him. Jerry Judy last year per PFF had 26 incomplete targets that were the QB's fault, most in the NFL. So they want to, they're going to want to change that, I think. Yeah. The only thing I'll say for Drew Locke is that he heard his throwing shoulder in week two and make. and maybe that was the thing,

but also it's a new GM. John Elway who had Jurlock is apparently tired of making decisions and did the thing where you promote yourself out of being responsible. I don't know how that works. Anyway, I agree.

They're going to move on from July. Let's go to trades that might happen, which we've already stepped on because we flipped ours. Can I give you my Patriots trade, my version of the trade up? You had the Patriots trade moving from like 15 to 7. Here's my little Patriots trade I've concocted.

Let's hear it. Patriots trade. up for Justin Fields and or Traillands, whoever's there, with the Dallas Cowboys. Patriots get the Patriots get the 10th pick and get Justin Fields

and our trail lands. The Cowboys get the 15th pick and cornerback Stefan Gilmore and like a third record. Oh. Cowboys get the best cornerback they've had since like D.N. Sanders. Yeah. Let's get Justin Fields. So you're going to have to remember.

mind me, but weren't, hasn't Gilmore been subject of trade rumors before, like somewhat recently? I can't remember off the top of my head exactly when it happened, but yeah. Why do you expect to be traded earlier this off season? It's kind of cooled down, but like, I don't see any reason not.

Like, the Cowboys can sit there and be like, maybe we want Patrick Sertain, maybe we want J.C. Horn, but like, here's the thing. They could trade back to 15. Might still get Patrick Sertane or J.C. Horn. But then it also gets to find Gilmore cornerback. Now they go from needing cornerback, and now they have one of the best cornerback groups in the entire NFL because they'll have Trayvon Diggs plus whoever they draft plus Gilmore. They could almost certainly get either Certain or J.C. Horn, I think. Like, it's pretty certain.

That's a really brilliant idea. I like that. And from the patch, you're basically moving up to get rid of a player that you kind of were trying to get rid of anyway in exchange for quarterback. I think I kind of think that's the sneaky one. I think it works. That's brilliant. Trades that will not happen. But like, honestly, they should and we want them. are really fun. Okay. So, yeah,

I'm just going to get the big homer one out of this, like out of the way here. Seahawks trade Jamal Adams. Okay, first of all. You're trying to undo the Jamal Adams trade?

For context, yeah, a little bit. For context. I don't have anything against Jamal Adams, but I just think they way overpaid.

Now they're going to have to pay the guy like a, you know, $18 million a year or whatever. So just like, you know, do a little reversal. You sound like a Seahawks fan

who's upset. You don't have a pick in the top 100. I am, and that's the context. The Seahawks have three draft picks in this draft. It's going to be a brutally boring, like, three-day draft for Seacac fans. And I'm just trying to, like, spice it up a little bit. So trade Jamal Adams to the Raiders for two firsts, one this year, one next year.

This is not going to happen at all, but it's fun to think about. What? And then, well, let's look, Gruden is going to get his version of Jonathan Abram that he wanted all along. You know, the Gruden loves Jonathan Abram, like the mentality he brings and all that. unfortunately Abram is just not he he just hasn't been the player i think that the raiders expected they wanted like this enforcer guy to come in and like set the tone all that stuff that's that's that's Jamal adams right there trade two first who cares and then the cex can turn around and trade that first they trade back and turn that into like six extra picks on like day two and three and do their

thing where they pick nine times and it's like everything is back to normal you know reset this like it's a blank slate for everybody i get to actually enjoy the draft from a c Yucks fans perspective. This is not what I love. Remember how we open this pod? And I was like, it's the time of year where you could just pretend your team is one trade away from being a good again. I like it.

It's like you're this like sober NFL draft expert. And the second we ask you to talk about your own team. You're just as like delusionals everybody else is about there. It's like, yeah, we'll flip them all out. It's your two first rounders. You know, we'll undo that. I'm going to be clear. I'm going to be clear.

The Raiders will do it. They're crazy. It's called trades that won't happen. I know it's not going to happen. I know. but it's like I was hoping for like fun stuff I'm like doing like the

like the Thanos thing we're like let's reset history here oh my god okay so I have one you mentioned the Raiders I actually have one that also involves the Raiders hit me with it this is like a three team deal so it's kind of like the Miami San Francisco Eagles trade that moved the Niners up

it was like two trades but it was really like a three team trade you know what I mean it's kind of one of those you know John Gruden gets bored yeah that's that's kind of my point the Raiders trade Derek Carr to the Chicago Bears for the 20th pick in the draft

okay the Raiders then take the 20th pick in the draft from Chicago and also add their 17th pick in the draft which is their own pick so two first rounders send it to Miami for the sixth pick

and the Raiders take Justin Fields Oh, wow. So Gruden Grinder, who's out here, Gruden misses his QB camp, and then the Raiders actually go up, blow up their offense, get Justin Fields, build around Justin Fields in Vegas.

The dolphins get two extra first rounders, or sorry, well, one extra first rounder to move back, which would make it, what, six or seven first rounders from the Laramie Tunsel trade in total,

and then the Bears get Derrick Carr. Wow. And so, like, I guess, like, if we're actually going to break this down, the reason the bears can't do that

is because they, 20 wouldn't be enough to get up to to number six with the dolphins, right? So like the Raiders have to like really 20 and 17. The bears are getting there. The bears are just swapping Derek Carr out for the 20th pick.

No, I know. I get that. So my question is why can't the bears just trade up? Which, and the answer would be because 20 is not enough to get them up that far. No. So, uh, they need two first rounders to do it. And from a, from the dolphins point of view, it's two first rounders this year.

I kind of like this It's not going to happen Yeah, right? The thing is Gruden I feel He's just Trying to get rid of car for years It feels like

Did you see how Derek Carr and John Gruden Live next to each other in Vegas Like when they moved to Vegas They bought houses next to each other Which is like I mean absolutely a wild decision But I feel like then Derek Carr can get a house next to Matt Nagy

Or do you think that Justin Fields would live next to Grudon But he just moved in a car's house? My God Do you think the bear? Bears would make this deal, though? Like, in reality, do you think they're willing to give up a first round pick for Derek Carr? What does Ryan Pace care?

He's gone if this year doesn't go well. Who cares? Buy himself an extra year or two. Oh, my God. I mean, I could see a team talking themselves into this type of deal, for sure. And the bears haven't been, like, famously logical over the last few years. So, sure. So Ian Rappaport NFL Network tweeted, I'm quoting him now,

The Dolphins have already made two moves in the NFL draft. they may not be done yet. Sources say they've received calls from teams looking to trade up to number six and it is something they're considering a lot of things in play, but Miami could be added again, end quote. So you never know,

they could move back again. This is like the best part. People send us some tweets. We asked for trades and obviously people just send trades that will not happen, but honestly are pretty fun. So we're just going to roll through these.

We got one from Brady, not Tom Brady, like a person named Brady on Twitter. Packers trade two first to move into the top 10 for Jamar Chase. that would be amazing. You know who my, you know who my comp for Jamar Chase is currently? No.

Oh, it's Devante Adams. Devante Adams. So having two Devante Adams is certainly better than one, I would say. It's almost as good as three. That would really, this trade would really shut people up about like surrounding, Tom,

or surrounding Aaron Rogers with more talent. That would definitely shut them up. Two Devante Adams stuck in this wall, can't get them out. Okay. We got another one from. Craig, Craig H actually, not Craig Coralbeck, but a different Craig. Miami gets Kyle Pitts at six, Devante Smith falls to the low teens, and then the

dolphins trade up and get him as well, which the dolphins are able to do because the dolphins also have the 18th pick in the draft. This one's pretty fun. This one is like, we're in the, this is in the wrong section because this honestly could be in trades that might happen. It's not wild. Like the dolphins just throw a third rounder to move from like 18 to like 14 and they get Kyle Pitts and or Jalen Waddle or Kyle Pitts and or Devonte.

Smith, that's actually amazing. Oh, my God. That would be actually, this is, so I'm starting to believe there's some whispers and the thought out there that Devante Smith ends up being the third receiver taken. It's going to be Jalen Waddle. It's going to be J. Marr Chase first, Jalen Wattel second, and then DeVante Smith, like a distant third. This is like sort of the prevailing wins, I think, are starting to say this.

So I think there's a pretty solid chance Devante Smith falls to, to, I don't know if he's going to fall past the Eagles, but he could. I think Eagles fans, including the ones I know, will lose their minds if the Eagles pass on Devante Smith, like actually lose their minds.

Yeah. But if you go past it, look, the Chargers, so if Devante Smith falls and he doesn't go to the Eagles at 12. The Chargers need a tackle, but who is the Chargers? But who are the Chargers receivers after Keenan Allen? I mean, it is quietly like a list of nobodies.

Well, they got Mike Williams, which is, you know, former first round pick. He's not like the flashiest guy, but he's solid. And he's in the last year of a deal, I think. So Mike Williams is in his contract season. But I mean, remember last year we saw like guys like Jalen Guyton, Tyrone Johnson coming in and being really effective. Maybe they don't think this is like. Yeah. That's my point is like maybe they don't see this as like a huge, huge need.

It's a deep draft at receiver. We can wait a little bit. So it's easy to see the Chargers not taking him. And then the Vikings, they took Justin Jefferson. than last year. They're not going to take another receiver, most likely. Okay. You know, so I think there's a, you know, then maybe they trade up to 15. The Patriots trade back on the show last week and Bill took, Bill took Jalen Waddle at 15 instead

of Mac Jones. No one took Mac Jones, which is hilarious. But so Jalen Waddle, I think it's fascinating that Jalen Waddle can go ahead of Devante Smith because the idea that Devante Smith was maybe the best college football receiver ever, but also will not be the first player receiver drafted from his own team. But Dekar, teams just kind of chasing. Tyree Kill. They just see that Tiger Kill is the fastest player in the NFL and he's explosive and they want, they just kind of see a fast player. Kind of like how Kyle Pitts is kind of almost like a Travis Kelsey like dude, but he's actually that good.

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's definitely true. I mean, look at what the Raiders did last year taking Henry Ruggs. I think that they saw, look, we're in the same division as the Chiefs. We've seen what the Chiefs have done with Tiger Kill and how he stretches and stresses the defense and how difficult it is to match up with that. and how much of a game changer that can be on your offense. I think teams are absolutely looking for that.

And every year you have a new guy that's supposed to be Tyree Kill. None of them are ever Tyree Kill. I feel like just because he is a very rare, you know, athlete, extremely explosive, like one of the fastest guys. No, the fastest guy in the NFL. Well, it's kind of like a great comedian spawns 30,000 terrible comedians. Right. It's like good football players spawn like many bad copycats from teams trying to replicate that.

Think about, yeah, this is totally off topic, think about how many bad quarterbacks can you get drafted because of Josh Allen. So, yeah, I could absolutely see Waddle being, in fact, I think it feels like almost consensus now. Everywhere I look, it's Waddle over Devante Smith. So to put a big bow on it,

to get back to what we were talking about, the chiefs or the dolphins could come out of this draft with Kyle Pitts and Devante Smith added to their offense. That would be freaking amazing. That would be unbelievable. Okay. Let's keep rolling here. Another listener one we got.

Two is very similar trades. One from full press giants and then one from Ariandori. Basically both offering the same thing. The Saints move up from the 20th pick to 10 with Dallas to take Tray Lance. Saints give up their first and third this year, basically, and a first next year, basically a replica of the Chiefs trade that were the Chiefs traded up for Patrick Mahomes. And then a tweak on this, which I actually like even better. is that Justin Fields falls to 13.

We were just talking about the Chargers. The Saints trade right tackle Ryan Ramzick to the Chargers for the 13th pick. And then the Saints take Justin Fields, which I kind of love because Sean Payton just collects quarterbacks. And then the Chargers are out here like, why do you have to right tackle when we can just trade for like the second best right tackle in the entire league?

And the Saints also have so much money cap issues. They might not be able to sign Rams like to an extension anyway. So it's not crazy that they would give them up a year early to get fields and extend the shoe in a window like another 10 years. I love the idea of the Saints trading up to get a quarterback. And then this goes back to something we talked about on an earlier show, which is, you know, a lot of the times the quarterbacks that come out of the draft, obviously they all have to have talent.

They all have to have work ethic. They all have to be smart. All that stuff. But like landing in a good system and a good team with a good supporting cast. and a good foundation is just so good. It's so helpful for a quarterback coming to the NFL. And so it honestly would be really fun to see any of these like Trey Lance, Justin Fields, you know, Mac Jones, whoever land on a very good team

or like a team that could be very good, you know, with the Saints. Obviously they lost Drew, really Drew Breeze, but this is a perennial playoff team. And having any of these quarterbacks end up there, you could really see parallels to the Patrick Mahomes situation with Kansas City. So I would love this. Yeah, the fact that, this has just happened very recently with like the chiefs moving up just I just think the

saints are willing to do whatever the saints are like the wild guard and then the raiders like shortly behind them but those two teams I would believe anything okay okay should we get to it's all tomorrow's 420 you want to get to like the hits bong trades the ones that will just melt people's brains yeah this so the one I was just thinking like what would piss people off the most of anything that could happen in this draft and this is never going to happen but the chiefs trade up to number four to take Kyle Pitts. Like put Kyle Pitts. Remember how we were talking about what's better than

what's better than two, one, Devante Adams, two Devante Adams. What's better than one Travis Kelsey Hyfitz? Two Travis Kelsey's. So, holy shit. I mean, really, really, you could insert any team picking late in the round into this scenario, whether it be Tampa Bay. That would piss off a lot of people. I don't know how they would do it, but, you know, crazier things have happened. Buffalo, Green Bay, the Saints, or the Ravens.

Anybody trading up to number four to take Kyle Pitts would just be a chaos creator. I think there's like maybe a 1% chance something like this will happen. But looking back, not that long ago, the Julio Jones trade, I think there's a parallel here. Julio Jones in Atlanta, sorry, in 2011,

Atlanta moved up from 27 to 6 to grab a guy that they viewed as a general. generational past catching talent. Is there a world in which you could see a team trading up from 27 to 6, 5, 4 in that area to grab a guy that a lot of people are considering a generational talent, generational pass catcher? Atlanta gave up in that trade. They gave up 27th pick, a second rounder and a fourth rounder that year in 2011, plus first rounder and a fourth rounder the next year.

So they basically gave up two firsts, a second and two fourths to move up that firsts. And I mean, you know, you could argue that they gave up too much and it like hurt their ability to build a solid foundation. But like, do you think anybody in Atlanta like regrets having Julio Jones the last 10 years? No, I'm just trying to think about Patrick Mahomes running for his life from all these bucks defenders. But like Kyle Pitts is wide open and we're like, damn, only they had tackles. This would be a really good offense. But I mean, but no, that would be absolutely fun. But I feel like them not taking a tackle would be malpractice.

Again, going back to the scar on Joe Burroughs leg, the emotional. emotional scars and Patrick Holmes. Although he's a toe injury, which is very real that he had surgery for. But that's terrifying and kind of a relief from thought exercise. All right. I gave this a lot of thought of like what's the Hitzbong trade. But I thought about a lot, but I wanted to be grounded in like some reality. Like I thought about like Aaron Rogers for Russell Wilson straight up and just thought

about how much that would just piss you off personally. But like it's. Yeah, you just wanted to do that. But I wanted to hone in on something that like actually is grounded in like, based on how the organization works, this is plausible, but like would blow everyone up. And I figured it out, D.K.,

are you ready? I'm so excited for this. Yeah. Eagles trade up for Trey Lance. Okay, so from 12, where do they trade up to? I don't care. It doesn't matter.

It would be unbelievable. Or Mac Jones, because the idea that they would trade up for Trey Lance after all this to just get a, like they get rid of Wence, stick with Hertz, and then get the other North, Dakota State quarterback would be out of control.

They go from, they tank to get the six pick, trade back to 12, be like, hey, we're going to get a receiver, move up. And instead of getting a receiver, get a second quarterback. And Harry Roseman's like, we wanted to be the quarterback factory. Actually, they want to be the quarterback factory in North Dakota State. Oh, my God. This would be the dumbest thing. People would just skewer them for this.

Monopalized the market and quarterbacks who played in Fargo, North Dakota. Oh, my God. I hope that doesn't happen. Look, it's probably not. But there's that report that Jeffrey Lurie, the owner of the Eagles, like wants them to stick with Hertz for this year. But also, I feel like,

just because the quarterback factory comment blew up on them, doesn't mean they've changed their minds. And I feel like if they do have a quarterback, they really like, I don't know, man. I don't know. It's not going to happen. But I think that's, every Eagles fans I know would be distraught,

which that alone is probably worth it. Okay, you want to get some listener mind-blowing one? that people throw out there? You got a couple. Yes, yes. So, Mr. Spencer, the Jaguars leak a deep fake video of Trevor Lawrence smoking weed and a gas mask. Then they leaked that they're going to go get Zach Wilson.

They traded number two. Jets take Wilson. Jags get Lawrence and then they get another first round pick, which they use to draft a receiver like Rashad Bateman. This is, this one's out there. I like it. So they're going to ruin Trevor Lawrence's draft. stock, trade back, and then

still get Trevor Lawrence, is the idea. They should just deep fake him into remember the Titans because Trevor Lawrence is sunshine. By the way, deep fakes are terrifying. Like deep fakes should be illegal somehow. You ever talk to Kevin O'Connor? Kevin O'Connor is a huge fan. Emerging Technologies. Just embrace it.

Reality is over. Great Atlantic article. The end of reality. I do actually believe that we will look back on the era when we assumed Internet videos were real. quaint thing from the beginnings of the internet. It's very sad. Okay. Another one from Deranger Dog. There will be no trades this year as every team has learned to be content

with the roster they have and the draft option as available when it is their turn to select a player. What are the odds that happened? Everyone's happy with their lot in life. Oh my gosh. I wonder I haven't even, this would be an interesting thing to research. What was the fewest trades that ever happened in a first round? I feel like there's always

at least two or three. Well, it's all changed because everyone was more conservative like 40 years ago. And then now teams just come in and are just like, yeah, whatever, picks. Sure, we'll trade them. Like, Jim's just don't care anymore. Yeah. I feel like you're forgetting one very important one here that I thought was hilarious. From Rose City Peach,

Dan Campbell, this is not a trade, but it's something that I want to see happen now. Dan Campbell appears on Zoom completely naked wearing only a necktie. You never know what Dan Campbell is going to do, I feel like. You never know. He's the true wild card of this. draft. Well, do you remember last year's draft from Bill O'Brien? Like, there was like announced like a trade or something between the lions and the Texans and then they cut to Bill O'Brien and he's just like palms to the sky like what? Like, what like screaming into the phone?

Like what just happened? So also don't forget that the draft is where we got the images of Cliff Kingsbury's house last year. Oh my God. Yes. So are we going to see Cliff Kingsbury's house again? He got a new house maybe? Only if you got a new house. Well, do you see the Rams are one-uping it. Like, don't forget, Cliff Kingsbury, timeline here, timeline here, timeline here, very important.

Cliff Kingsbury gets the Cardinals job, and in the official press release is like the Kevin Clark bit, and they don't mention Kevin, but the bit that they're like, good friends with Sean McVeigh. Like, that's like how he got this Cardinals job. Cliff Kingsbury,

the house thing, it goes viral, everyone's obsessed with the house. The Rams now were doing the Malibu Beach House presented by, I forget, Toyota, I don't even know. Some car company put them up in a Malibu Beach House to do the entire draft from and they're just like hitting golf balls

into the ocean like yeah it's gonna be a great draft it's like the house it's like an hg tv special but like just for the draft location at the end mcvay has to decide which house out of three that he wants to buy and he has to buy one of them so you know how NFL teams can't actually draft and everyone's really bad at this 50 50 do you think that like they're all bad at like picking houses too it's like it's like kiffbury whiffed on the draft last year

like oh we were wrong with christian kirk and there's like new house this year Didn't realize that like it's not, you know, no circulation in the hot Arizona air. If you're a Rams fan, how does this make you feel? It feels like they're missing, uh, what they're sort of missing the priorities here. Do you think that you draft better in like a dark windowless bunker that's like reminiscent of like a Soviet block or? Yeah. Or do you think you draft better at like Malibu Beach House? You get good vibes going on.

You can feel better about the decisions. Your mind is more clear. I don't know. Maybe there is something to it. Maybe I'm just judgy. I don't know. So before we leave, before we leave the show, I just want to throw a question out to you now, and this is like off the cuff or whatever, but we've talked about the quarterbacks,

clearly. We've talked about Kyle Pitts. We've talked about Jamar Chase and some of the other receivers. Do you think there's any other players like in the Marcus Davenport, I guess like spectrum, that other team, that will be a trade-up candidate? Have we hit on all-trade of candidates? And by Marcus Davenport, you mean the defensive end, the Saints traded up like seven picks to inexplicably go get. And it's fine. But like a non-quarterback trade up painted it. Devon Bush a couple years ago when the Steelers went up and got him. That's a good question.

So I think that the answer to that, part of me thinks if Rashad Bateman falls, part of me thinks Jalen Waddle if he falls. But I think it's also about scarcity. And like, I mean, I don't know. if there's many Micah Parsons like linebackers trying to get up for linebackers. Right. He's the first guy that I thought of. There's no tight ends in this draft. There's basically three that'll go in the first two days, right?

So Kyle Pitts is kind of a too obvious answer, but like going beyond then, I feel like the real answer will be like defensive end because there's such different grades than defensive ends this year's, this year that teams will have their guy, but to everyone else that'll look really weird.

But to that team, they're like, that's our guy and other teams will be like, well, he was the fifth defensive end on our board. but I could see it being like Jaylin Phillips. The guys I have in mind, I think, when I was thinking of this question were Michael Parsons, who there's some indications he could fall a little bit in the draft and that could happen, but I could also see a team just falling in love with his potential.

Pene Sewell, who, if he falls out of the top, like, five, if he doesn't go to Bengals, he could be a player, I think that teams could be like, okay, we're making a move. We're growing up and getting this guy. I mean, Peter King's column this week, Gil Brandt, who's been scouting for 61 years, compared him

to, he said it reminds me of Jonathan Ogden. Yeah, that's a good thing. That's a good sign. So I could see definitely a team going up and getting really excited about Sewell and grabbing him. I actually think, going back to what you just said and what we talked about earlier,

Jalen Waddle, man, teams just talk themselves into these explosive guys. And I could actually see some teams talk to them into stuff. like at the end of the day, they are just as overthinking this as we are. Obviously, they do this all day and no way more about this stuff than they do.

But they're also overthinking themselves in circles just like everyone else. Yeah. And then the last guy I would throw out. So maybe, well, first let me say a couple of the cornerbacks maybe like you could see a small jump up. I wouldn't, I wouldn't expect to got any team to go up like 10 spots to get a corner. But Jalen Phillips from Miami is another guy that I'm kind of thinking.

could be a top 10 pick and if he falls a little bit some team is going to be like all right this guy could help transform our defensive line. He's the former top overall recruit in the country. I feel like those recruits have a terrible track record. Was it Robert and Kim Dichie

Dequan Bowers? Like those guys never do anything in the NFL. Maybe. That's true. But like I don't think that changes the way teams look at these guys. It's like players have been blue chip. like rare extraordinary athletes with with phillips he had like a very strange college career

he got hit by a car when he was riding a moped and that like derailed his his college career for a little while and came back he was absolutely dominant and then he put on like a show at his pro day just elite athleticism this is a class with very few elite past rushers if any like all of the past rushers I think you mentioned this earlier it's sort of like eye of a beholder you know and I would say

Jalen Phillips is, if anybody, is going to be the guy that, like, a team goes up and gets, it could be. So if there's a bizarre top 10 pick, because right now everyone thinks the top 10 is going to be four or five quarterbacks, three or four pass catchers and, like, a tackle, and, like, maybe a quarterback, like Patrick Sir Caner signed a round out of the top 10. Do you think Jalen Phillips is the guy who would be a top 10 pick? Everyone would be like, wait, what? Yeah, I think so.

In fact, I can't remember if he did say this, but I believe I did see Gil Brant say something along the same line. You just brought him up like Gilbrandt would have him in the top 10 somewhere. So like he's going to be the surprise guy. And he there he's going to be all over the map, I think, with teams. But some team is going to fall in love with him and just like want to take him that high. Remind me. Originally went to UCLA had that Mopet incident.

Well, he had a Mopet incident. Well, he had that plus he had that plus several other injuries that like basically derailed his career. He had a bunch of injuries. He retired like medically retired from football after a few seasons at UCLA. and then decided to give another go, transferred to Miami, took over, and then he came in and took over for Gregory Rousseau,

who's another potential first round pick. Rousseau opted out. Phillips went in and played, and he, like, lit it up. He was awesome, one of the best pass rushers in the country. At the University of Miami.

At Miami. So he has sort of a circuitous, like, track to the NFL, and there's enough circumstances around sort of, like, everything that happened to him in college, that team could be like, you know what, we're going to take a chance on this guy. He's a, he's a blue chip talent, very rare talent.

And we think he can turn into like an elite pass rusher. So he's another guy. I think that's just interesting. I like it. Any other guys that maybe could go top 10 would blow your mind. But you could see it. Yeah, there's, I don't know. That's about it, really.

I think like we mentioned pretty much everybody. I'm trying to look through my list and just see if there's anybody that could really go that high. but it would have to be like completely out of left field, I think for, you know, like any of these other guys to go that high. Maybe like Elijah Verit Tucker, he's another tackle.

Yeah, he's like a guy. I think that the NFL's going to be really high on, but there's also questions about his length. So like some teams might not see him as a tackle. They might see him as a guard. But other than that, he's like a very clean,

like he's athletic. He tested really well. Very good tape. He's played at left guard and left, at guard and left tackle. You know, there's just a lot to like about him. I think I don't know if we mentioned it. I think this was assumed or Roshan Slater

who has potential to be a top 10 pick. Oh, I'll throw out one more guy. Jeremiah Usu-Karamoa from Notre Dame, who I think he's going to be another player that's kind of like all over the map with teams because he is like, like Isaiah Simmons from last year, he's going to be viewed as a tweener. He's going to be viewed as a guy who might not have a specific

position. He played the hybrid linebacker safety role for Notre Dame last year, but he was all over the place, super athletic, super explosive, playmaker. I think there's a tiny chance that some team falls in love with him and he's like a top 10 pick. I think he's that talented. I just not sure if anyone will be willing to take a chance on that high. Well, it won't matter because the whole draft will be dominated by how Justin Fields went to the Patriots. So let's hope that doesn't happen. All right, thank you, DK. Thank you to everyone for listening. That's the big board. We will be back on Friday. Kevin and Nora will be here on Wednesday. Keep listening to the Ringer NFL show. And then, wow, draft. Next week. It's coming real quick. DK., it'll be fun, man. Can't wait.