The Ringer NFL Show - Unsolved Mysteries: Bills Turn to Brady, Browns Still Searching, and Andy Reid's Spin

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

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Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Capadia. Today we are doing unsolved mysteries. We got a lot going on in the NFL right now, aside from the Super Bowl. We have coaching stuff, Joe Brady taking over the bills, replacing Sean McDermott.

We've got the Cleveland Browns. Can they find a coach? What's going on in Cleveland? And then some weird stuff happening in Kansas City as Andy Reid kind of shakes up his coaching staff. I wanted to get to that. as well. Our guest today is the ringers. Billy Gill, he will join me for these unsolved mysteries. Let's take a break. We come back with Billy.

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All right, we are back here on the Ringer NFL show with Billy Gill. We are running back some unsolved mysteries, Billy. And the first unsolved mystery, we are going to Western New York. Do not call it upstate New York. It is Western New York. The Buffalo Bills have a new head coach. They are promoting offensive coordinator Joe Brady. So the unsolved mystery here, Billy, is,

why did the bills fire Sean McDermott? So what do you say here before I give some theories that I have? Okay. I'm interested in your theories because I'm kind of wondering if it's very deep other than just it wasn't working with Sean McDermott. He had a nice run. He had like nine seasons. six of the eight of the nine seasons he takes him to the playoffs six of those seasons they win a

playoff game but they could only get to the a fc championship game they lost both of those to the chiefs this year they exited in the divisional round and what seemed like it was going to be their easiest path so far so could it be more complicated and i guess you're going to tell me that it is than just he can't get us over this hump it might not be that that much more complicated than that but my question is like what problem are they solving you know they didn't say we need a refresh. We need to bring in some new ideas. We need a new voice in here, you know, set the culture. They're just kind of promoting the OC that's already been there. Now, the offense hasn't been a problem, but I think Joe Brady's done a good job, but it's not like the offense dunk without Joe Brady.

I mean, they've had a top five offense for like six years in a row, and that's with three different offensive coordinators. That's because Josh Allen's very good at football. The offensive line has been very good and very healthy, and then they've rotated some other pieces around. So I'm trying to zoom out here and look at the process, Billy, because I feel like there's a lot of spin coming out of Buffalo. Ever since that press conference with the owner, there are two things that just when I have gone on social media today, that it feels like the Buffalo bills want to make clear. One is that Joe Brady is a CEO type head coach. They were looking for that. He came in during the interview and he proved this guy's going to be a leader. Okay. If you say so, Buffalo. And the

The other one is this, which I think actually gets to the answer for why did they fire Sean McDermott. I think the simplest answer, Billy, is Josh Allen felt like they needed to shake things up. Josh Allen likes Joe Brady. And so they hired Joe Brady. So I don't know if you're up on the reporting with this, but Josh Allen was in on all the interviews for all these head coaches. Josh Allen gave his opinion on all this stuff. But the reporting that I'm seeing from the insiders do not put it in the newspaper. Do not put it on social media.

Do not put it anywhere that Josh Allen picked the head coach. He just gave his opinion, Billy. But then they said, see you later, Josh. Go get something to eat. We're going to decide who the head coach should be. I don't know if you believe that, Billy. I don't necessarily believe that. But I think that could be the simplest answer to what went on here in Buffalo.

You were saying it's weird because they didn't shake things up a bit. And then you were saying, you know, there's rumblings out there that Josh Allen, soon to be father, Josh Allen, who has a lot of things on his mind. And he's probably going out there. I don't know if he has a registry out there. But, you know, now that it's the off season, he's probably getting ahead. Maybe he's starting to build the bassinet. Maybe he's starting to put the crib together, going out, testing his car, seeing if the car see fits exactly, deciding what kind of stroller do we want? There's a lot going on in that man's life right now. First time father, a lot of things happening. So maybe we give him the benefit of the down and we say he just gave us two cents and

then he left. But I don't think that there was a lot of a reported rift between Sean McDermott and Josh Allen where it was a power struggle and he forced Sean out, right? But decision was made to get Sean out. I think they were looking for a friendly person for Josh Allen to cater to Josh Allen, let's say, because he is their franchise, right? So you don't want to fire your head coach after having a lot of success, not the ultimate success, but a lot of success, and then hit a reset button when your franchise quarterback is 29, he's visibly getting frustrated at the outcomes of the season.

Now you bring in someone who wants to decide, you know, we're on the boss, I'm going to kind of make a stink, everybody has to get in line, we're doing things a new way. What's the point of upsetting, you know, the former MVP of the league with that? Yeah, I think that's fair. I think there's something to it. It feels like the owner looked around after that loss, saw that Josh Allen was very emotional after the loss,

said, we're going to switch things up. I can't see my guy, Josh, this sad after a loss again next year. We need to find someone else. But then they didn't really have a plan. Then they do the weird press conference. There's the Keon Coleman thing. There's baguolas all over the place. Brandon Bean's taking heat.

And now after all that, they're like, we're just going to promote the guys. who was already in the building. Now, having said all that, it could work out because to what you're saying, with Josh Allen, you're probably going to win at least 11 games. Here's the issue with the Buffalo Bill's conversation.

We can't really identify why they have not paid the Super Bowl yet, because it's not the same thing every year. You know, the one year, the mismanaged the 13 seconds game. The next year, it's Sean McDermott's defense, is getting lit up by the Chiefs. They can't get a stop. This last year, I would say Josh Allen didn't really play well

in the playoffs and turn the football over, missed a throw late, and the defense actually did its part there. But you can't, you know, when you're shaping the narrative as an organization, when you're making a big move to get rid of a head coach, you can't be that nuanced with it. And so there's randomness in football.

One you have to say, no, this guy, Sean McDermott, he's the reason we failed, and we have a great idea for why we're going to be better. We're going to bring in our offensive coordinator, get us over the hump. I think the crazy thing about it is if you were to get like a theme of what has been the problem for the bills on this run where they've made the playoff so many times and failed, a lot of it could be roster construction, right?

Of course. And the person who's responsible- They're not running cooks. The person responsible for roster construction got promoted and made himself president of the team and they got rid of the head coach. And now you're just kind of like, okay, so let's toss Josh a bone there. And what you were saying is right, this season, honestly, it came down. to a bad game from Josh Allen because it was right there for them.

They could have won that game. They could have been in the AFC championship game again. They could have made it to the Super Bowl. But Josh had too many turnovers. You had that weird call where they didn't look it over again. And it was just like a lot of things didn't line up for the bills. But it comes down to the roster construction. And it comes down to Brandon Bean.

And he is the one who has kind of been letting them down. I mean, like I said, to be clear, it could be fine. You know, like they're probably going to win a lot of games. And I think the offense will be similar to what the offense has been. I do have some concern about Joe Brady's ability to do the other aspects of the job. Like, what does the coaching staff look like? Are they like, hey, let's just keep most of the coaching staff because they were there with Joe Brady. We don't need to change that out.

We'll see who they bring in as defensive coordinator. He does have to have the leadership thing, I guess. He does have to have the game management skill, which can be tough when you're calling the game to also be good with the game management. that's a bit of an unproven thing there. So a lot has happened. You mentioned Bean. What a nine months for Bean. You know, he did the radio show where he yelled at the host because they were talking about

the lack of wide receivers and he was upset about it. Then at the trade deadline this year, he tries to trade for wide receivers and he can't land one. And Sean McDermott saying this press conference before the Jaguars game, boy, Jacoby Myers, what a pickup for Jacksonville at the deadline. And there everybody's going, oh, that's a little bit weird. Is he calling out his own general manager for not adding a wide receiver? And then the biggest play of the game is to Brandon Cooks.

Like if that was another wide receiver or something, do they have more success? Do they get over the hump? So yes, I think the bills are the team that's going to be watching this Super Bowl going. That really could have been us. That really should have been us. And it's not. And we'll try it again next year with Joe Brady. So we'll see what happens with the Buffalo.

Bill's the rest of the offseason. But very strange, strange turn of events from kind of the end of that loss to the Broncos to now where we stand here on January 27th with Joe Brady being their new head coach. All right. Unsolved mystery number two. I don't know if we solved that one. I think we landed on Josh Allen probably wanted Joe Brady to be the head coach and they didn't have much of a plan otherwise. Yeah, I think that's good. Teams fair. Yeah, that's fair. All right. Unsolved mystery number two. what is going on, Billy, with the Browns

head coaching search. So they fired Kevin Stefansky on January 5th. We're here 22 days later. They still do not have a head coach. We'll say they might bring in Nate Sheal House, the Rams Pass the game quarter of,

which I got to be honest. I don't like a guy named Shield House getting more notoriety because every time someone says it, are you calling my name? Shield House, Shield Capadia, me and Joe House. I think I've mentioned this before, but it really throws me off.

So maybe just stay over there with the Rams and let's wait a few years before you become a head coach. But he's a possibility. He's the Rams passing game coordinator. Then you have Jim Schwartz. Remember Jim Schwartz? Was a head coach back in the day for the Lions? Didn't go well. If the Browns defensive coordinator, he could get hired now.

By the Browns, it doesn't seem like it's going great. And you have these reports. Have you seen these reports? Philly about what they're asking the head coaches to do. do? I have seen what it is that they're asking the coaches to do, and it seems absurd. Would you like to run down what it is that each person needs to do, Sheel? Yeah, this is from Tom Pelliserra of NFL Network, said this during an interview with Rich Eisen that the candidates have to take a personality test. They have to write an essay. They have to complete homework assignments between

their first and second round. So if you get the first interview and then you're going to come back for the second interview. You have to complete a homework assignment. There's some questionnaires there as well. And so you have people say, thanks, but no thanks. You know, I thought it'd be fun to just interview, but I don't want to do all that work. So I'm just going to take my name out of consideration for this head coaching job. I don't know what you make of that. I don't know if you saw, well, you saw the clip obviously, but for those who haven't, when Tom was explaining this to Rich Eisen, Rich was dumbfounded by the idea that this, he's like, so hold on a second. Like, you need to write an essay saying why I want to become the Browns head coach.

He's like, yeah, pretty much. Like, you know, they're very specific. We don't know the essay topic, to be fair. That's true. That's true. We don't know the essay topic. Yeah, I just want to be fair. It could be like a grammar thing. It may not be pertinent to the job.

It's like, we just want to see sentence structure to make sure that we're hiring the right person. And the defense was they're very specific and they know exactly what they want. So they want these people basically to jump through these hoops to know that they check all of the boxes because they are very very specific. focused on hiring the right coach. Now, since 2002, when the divisions were restructured, there is only one team that has had more head coaches than the Cleveland Browns. That team is the Las Vegas Raiders, who are now, you know, searching for a head coach again. But beyond that,

it's just the Browns. Then the Dolphins are tied with the Browns. And I will say this. If you know exactly what you're looking for, you are not second on the list of hiring head coaches since 2002. They have had nine head coaches since 2002. They have a disaster on their hands financially where they're like $30 million over the cap. So they don't even have a flexibility. I was going to say that they have a giant question market quarterback, but they don't because they have a pro bowl quarterback now and Shador Sanders. So it seems as though that situation has been resolved. So I guess that isn't the plus side. But the Browns are a dysfunctional organization. They have a defense because of Jim Schwartz.

They have Miles Garrett who set the sack record last season. However, I don't believe that they're in a position to be picky, this picky, in terms of head coaching. And what I would say to them is what we say to my children and what is said in many, many schools. In terms of your head coaching at this point in this process, you get what you get and you don't get upset. Don't be so picky about your head coach. Don't make things impossible. You've had countless people say we're not even interested in applying for this job because of how difficult you're making it. It's not worth the headache.

And here they are. They still can't hire a coach. What are they doing? What is a surprise? And by the way, they're also telling all of the serious candidates, which should be a massive red flag to Jim Schwartz. Hey, by the way, Jim Schwartz is still a very serious candidate for us. But if we decide not to hire him, you need to keep him on as a defense. where if I'm Jim Schwartz, I'm like, if you're telling people this, you're not going to give me

this job unless there's no other options. And then you really didn't want me. You're just kind of settling for me. So if I'm Jim Schwartz, I'd tell him, you know what, you know what, Cleveland? How about you kick rocks? How about that? Jim Schwartz is getting screwed because he would be a hot, you know, defensive coordinator candidate with all these job changes around the NFL, like if they just fired him when they fired Kevin Stefansky, he would have had a nice bidding war for his services to be a defensive coordinator. Instead, now if he doesn't get this job, does he have to stay on his defensive coordinator? Are there even other opportunities out there to go be another team's DC? So I actually think Jim Schwartz wouldn't be like the worst outcome for them at this point

where it's like, well, at least you know the defense is going to be pretty good and you can buy some time here and try to get the roster in order. But yeah, you're absolutely right. I feel like on the surface, all this stuff about the homework and the questionnaires, I'm kind of like, it's actually not that big of a deal to me, I think. Because I'm looking at it this way, Billy. Other teams haven't mastered how to hire a head coach. You know, you just mentioned the Raiders and the dolphins. They're not making people do homework,

but they can't figure out who to hire as a head coach. So if you're thinking outside the box and making candidates do that, that's fine. But here's the problem. The Browns have a read-the-room problem that they've had since the time they traded for Deshaun Watson. and the way they justified that and the guaranteed money they gave him and the way they mocked anybody who questioned it and the arrogance that they, oh, you know, had put in their owner and the owner's wife out there in front of the media and saying, oh, you know, we didn't do any. I don't want to get the quotes wrong. But it was very tone deaf the way they handled that entire situation. They couldn't read the room. They had a lot of issues there with that. And now they're in this situation where they're in one of the worst spots in the NFL in terms of roster, draft capital. destination. So if you were an attractive team and you said, oh, we got, you know, if you were the

bills, for example, the bills made everybody do questionnaires and essays, I would have been like, all right, it's a little weird, but, you know, go ahead. Like, that's not going to stop me from interviewing to coach Josh Allen that I have to do an essay. But if it's, hey, come to Cleveland. We don't have a quarterback. We have a GM in place. We have bad ownership. We have the sixth overall pick. We're in a terrible cap situation. We have no offensive line. Come do an essay. an essay. Are you crazy? Yeah, smell you later. I'm done checking out my other option. That's the thing about Jim Schwartz that I don't understand, I guess, in this situation. They don't want him, right? It seems as though they don't want Jim Schwartz.

He's the fallback plan. He's a fallback plan. But you have guys like the Jags O.C. Grant Yudinsky who says, you know what? I changed my mind. I'm going to stay and I'm going to be the OC instead of your head coach and I'm going to get a pay raise. Which, by the way, this has been shield, I think a very strange coaching cycle in that I cannot remember it ever happening or definitely not happening as frequently as it has happened where coaches are seemingly accepting coordinator jobs with an asterisk saying, I will be your OC like Mike McDaniel in Los Angeles unless I become the Bill's head coach. Or you have, you have Brian Dable. It's so confusing. You have Brian Dable saying, you know what, I'm going to be the Titans OC

unless I get the Bill's head coaching job. And there's a lot of this going on where if I was like the Titans or if I was the Chargers or whoever, I would be like, no. Like, are you going to be our OC or not? Like you can't handcuff us here and then have us miss out on other candidates because you want to be a head

coach. But it's being allowed for whatever reason. So Jim Schwartz, I feel like he has some leverage here. And if I was a Browns, I'd give him the job just because he wants to be there. And, no one else does. Even amongst the candidates that are remaining, we don't know if any of them want to be the Brown's head coach. So why not give it to the guy who actually wants to be there?

You don't have to pay for relocation expenses, right? Yeah. You don't have to get him a new key card, presumably his thing to get into the building. It's probably a headache. I've never done it. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to give him a tour. He knows where the cafeteria is, where the bathroom is, where everything is. Now, I would assume he would get a new office. So that's a little weird. He goes from coordinator office to head coach office. But yeah, I'm with you. Maybe that's where they'll land. The Browns, Billy, can I read you?

I think this talks to the state of the Browns. You know, I went on ESPN.com's Cleveland Browns page to prep for this podcast. And here are three headlines I read. And I think this speaks to where the Browns are. Headline number one, should the Browns hire Dion Sanders, Stephen A weighs in. That was number one.

I don't know if you have a take on that or not. Headline number two Headline Headline number two The Miz goes on epic rant over the Cleveland Browns That was a second These are true

I'm not making these up And the third one You alluded to this one earlier Browns QB Sanders To replace May in Pro Bowl Shador Sanders Getting the Pro Bowl none

I think that kind Those headlines kind of speak to the state of the Browns wouldn't you say It was, yes, none of them seemed like actual real headlines, but they all very much were headlines. I should have made one up. We should have done a game.

I could have made one up. The two truths and a lie. All right. Next time we're doing that. Okay. All right. Let's take a break. We come back.

We'll get to Unsolved Mystery number three. All right. We're back on the Ring of NFL show. I have to be honest, Unsolved Mystery number three. It might be something that only I care about. and I don't know that anybody else cares about it, but it's on my radar, Billy. And this is, did Andy Reid quietly fire Matt Nagy?

And so maybe this is just like sort of, you know, you're a man of media. I'm trying to be a man of media too. And so I'm looking at the coverage. And I saw the news, I don't know if it was last week, this week, whatever, that the chiefs were bringing back offensive coordinator, Eric the enemy. And I thought, oh, I must have missed that Matt Nagy, the previous Chiefs offensive coordinator, got a job somewhere else.

And so I'm digging around. I'm looking. I'm going on that Brown's page, but then I'm going on the Chief's page. And I look around and I notice, no, Matt Nagy has not been fired. And then Andy Reid holds a press conference, Billy, yesterday. And Andy Reid says, yeah, Matt Nagy's departure from the Chiefs was a mutual decision. This is via the athletic. I want Matt to have a chance to be a head football coach and do the things that he's dreaming of doing,

Reed said. That's huge in this business. And Reed says, yeah, Nagy deserves a head coaching job. He says, somebody's missing a gem. That's how I feel. I would love to see him get picked up, you know, and going. So he's saying all this stuff. He says, now you know what, he's going to go out and be able to put his own mark on things.

These are direct quotes from the athletic, from Andy Reid. And that takes my name off it, and he gets the purity of it, Reed said. I was hoping it would be a head coaching position. It still might be that. He deserves that, definitely for sure. So my questions are, Billy, if Reed thought that Matt Nagy could help the Chiefs win a Super Bowl, would you just kind of let him go like this? Do you really think Nagy, if he becomes like the OC of the Jets now,

is going to have a better chance to be a head coach than he would if he stuck with the Chiefs. And is it coincidence, Billy, that the offseason in which the Chiefs just had their most disappointing performance of the entire Mahomes era, this is when Andy Reid says, you know what? I want Matt Nagy to go pursue other opportunities

out of the kindness of my heart. This doesn't smell right. Tell me this doesn't smell right. Something is definitely a miss here, Sheel. I did some digging. I saw the same quotes. The one where he said someone's going to get a gem of a coach was incredible. And I loved that.

And similar to you, I just saw a post as a man of media. I just saw a post a couple of days ago, a week ago, whenever it was, where it was from the Chiefs and it was just, thank you, Matt Nagy, for everything. And it was like the picture of him and everything. And I was, I like you assumed, like, oh, he must have accepted a coach. job somewhere or he must have accepted a coordinator. Like he clearly took a job and they're thanking you. I must have missed what job he accepted.

So I started looking around and I found nothing also. And I was like, well, that's weird. And then I was like, did they fire him? Why did they put this out there like that? So it turns out his contract was up. So instead of renewing his contract, I guess they just allowed it to expire. And then they did the mutually parting of ways.

situation. It was very weird phrasing. It does seem like something's off, but Andy Reid is similar like, if this is like a knives out, like situation, like murder mystery, Andy Reid is the last one that you would suspect is the one that is doing the murdering, right? Like, you wouldn't suspect Santa Claus or someone, the Easter Bunny murdered someone in a room full of people. So Andy has like the perfect, oh, I'm just like a happy guy. I like to wear Hawaiian shirts at the coaches meetings. I love hamburgers. He couldn't possibly be behind any of this. But, oh, lo and behold, look, his friend Eric Vienemy is now working for him again. Like, something's wrong here. But we're never going to look into it because, again, we like Andy Reid. Well, see, this is the brilliance

of Andy Reid as someone who has been following his career since I was in high school. He can make a coach sound like Vince Lombardi while simultaneously being like, make sure that guy cannot get into the building on Monday because our offense wasn't good enough last. year and he's bringing nothing to the table and I want to replace him. Like he is, he is the king of spinning the actual truth. He has done this year's decades in the NFL here. I'm not arguing with you. I think, you know, obviously a great coach, one of the, one of the all-time coaches,

but he is very good at doing this type of thing. And I feel like he was going to make a change regardless. He wanted to make a change. I don't think there was a scenario. This is just, this is not reporting. is just like, this is what it looks like to me, that there was no scenario where he was bringing Matt Nagy back to be a coach for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Yet they make it sound like this big thing where, oh, my gosh, he's doing such a nice gesture for Matt Nagy. I don't think that that's what's actually happening here. The weird thing about this situation and bringing back Eric B. Enemy is Eric Bienemy left the Chiefs after the 2022 season where he went to the commanders and he took over as their OC, and he was an assistant head coach. And for years and years, Eric B. Enemy was mentioned in all of the coaching cycles, all of the

coaching searches, this is the next guy, he's going to get the head coaching position. And then there was always reports as to why it was that he wasn't getting the opportunities. Was it a race situation? Was it a situation where he wasn't interviewing well? Why was it that he was not getting the opportunities? So is it Andy Reid and he was just getting, you know, Andy Reid was getting the credit or he was just kind of coasting on Andy Reid's accomplishments. There was always theories, so we didn't actually know until Eric Bienemy left to Washington.

Then his student in Washington lasted one season. That didn't work out. He then goes down to college at UCLA. Then he goes to the Bears for a season. Now he's back with the Chiefs. And interestingly, I guess, for the Chiefs and Andy Reed and Eric Bienemy and Matt Nagy is the Chief's offense is not what the Chief's offense was the last time

Eric B. Enemy was here. So you could be bringing back Eric Bienemy, hoping that you hit Prime 2022 Chiefs here. When you have Travis Kelsey who may retire in this offseason, and you have an injured Patrick Mahomes who will be coming back, but we don't know how he's going to come back once he's injured. And then beyond that, like, you have some weapons, but you don't have the weapons that you had in 2022. So I don't know that bringing in Eric B. Enemy is going to be the cure all that they're hoping that it is because he was the guy way back when. I think it's a bit of a red flag if I'm a Chiefs fan, a sign perhaps, Billy, that Andy Reed is out of ideas,

out of new ideas that he goes from Nagy to Biennamy to Beenemy to Nagy, to bring a Kafka in there. Like, if you're Andy Reed, why not cast a wide net and be like, anyone want to come with me and coach with me? I'm one of the best coaches this century. By the way, Patrick Mahomes is my quarterback. Hey, I noticed you were doing really interesting things in college. Or, hey, quarterback's coach of this team that I really like your scheme.

Why don't you come over with me? You can be the offensive coordinator. He could have done all those types of things. Instead, he just is bringing back the guy who was there before, who got let go before. So, yeah, I don't think it's a great sign for Andy Reid. I don't think it's a great sign for the Kansas City Chiefs. And while it might not be a quiet firing, you know, like a quiet quitting was the big thing.

When was that last year? It's not a quiet firing because of your point, his contract was up. Feels pretty close to a quiet firing to me with Matt Nagy. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. That's what it looks like to me as I try to solve this mystery. Thank you to Billy Gill for joining me with these unsolved mysteries. Thank you to Christopher Sutton for producing Stefano Sanchez for video editing

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