The Ringer NFL Show - Week 11 True or False: Broncos Are Contenders, Chiefs Are in Trouble, and Separation in the NFC!

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Sheil and The Ringer’s own Diante Lee take a look at the results of the Week 11 NFL slate and use their expertise to test the strength of some popular narratives that are starting to materialize. (00:00) Week 11 True or False(1:39) The Denver Broncos are contenders(11:03) The Kansas City Chiefs are in danger of missing the playoffs(19:00) The NFC contender will come from Eagles-Lions, not Seahawks-Rams This episode is sponsored by State Farm®️. Don’t settle for just any insurance when there’s State Farm. https://www.statefarm.com/lp/trainer The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Sheil KapadiaGuest: Diante LeeProducer: Chris SuttonSocial: Kiera Givens and Brian WatersProduction Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Sheila Kapadia. Today we're playing a little true or false from week 11. I've got three statements and we'll decide whether we believe them. It was a fun set of games. Broncos taking control of the AFC West with a huge win over the Chiefs. Are they legit contenders? Are the Chiefs actually in danger of missing the playoffs? And then in the NFC, big wins for the Rams and the Eagles, how concerned should you about the Seahawks and Lions losing those games to talk about it all. We've got my friend from the Ringer, Deontay Lee. Let's take a break. We come back. We play a little true or false from Week 11. This is the Ringer NFL show presented by Fandul, the best place to bet the NFL all season long. Fan Duel's got it all.

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We're playing a little true or false. Here we go, Deonti. First thing, true or false, the Broncos are actual contenders, actual contenders in the AFC. And you know what? I'm taking this one first. I got to wave the white flag. I don't have a white flag.

My sweatshirt's kind of white. I'm not taking this off and waving it. That's not happening for social or any other purposes. But for the first time all year, I think this is actually true. I think any team that has a chance to be the one seat in their conference can make the Super Bowl. And I think one of the lessons here from Week 11 is that there are no real halves and have-nots in the AFC. Everyone's just kind of bunched together. And I don't think the spread on any of these playoff games is going to be that big once we get there.

And the Broncos are right in the mix. So I've been skeptical of them all year. I thought they were a good team. I didn't think they were a great team. I didn't think they were going to win the division over the Chiefs. But this is what Sean Payton was hired to do. And they showed with that win today against Kansas City. I mean, they are, you know, three and a half games ahead of the Chiefs now in the

AFC West. They are easily the favorite. So he talked a big game in August. I made fun of him. I said, settle down, Sean Payton. And now here I am after week 11. I was wrong. The Broncos are contenders in the AFC.

True or false for you with that statement? I'd say true. but it's so tricky because I don't want to say true because of today. Right. Like I'm not the one game sample guy. So I think that's probably the thing that hangs me up most, right? And I think that I think if you're looking at the leaderboard and the AFC now, it would be really hard to say that you feel more certain about Indianapolis,

New England, or Buffalo than you do Denver, right? If we're just judging off of resumes. Because the one thing that Denver can say that a lot of those teams cannot is that they've played other contenders. They've played other playoff quality teams. and have played them close, if not beating them outright. I think that my hang-up is that you're making that case based off of 10 quarters, not 10 games, in my opinion, right?

So if we give them credit, and this probably has more to do with the offense and the defense, if we give them credit for all 60 minutes of this Chiefs game, and I do think this was a well-designed game plan. I thought Bo Nix took the chances that he needed to on early downs. This is one of his better first-down success rates on dropbacks this season, and it definitely was reflected in that. Then we're talking about the second half against the Giants. You're talking about the second and third quarter against the Colts, right?

Where he looked kind of decent and the fourth quarter was all over the place. Then you got the fourth quarter against the Texans and the fourth quarter against the Eagles. Those are like the 10 quarters. I think if you're a Broncos fan, you're looking at that cluster and saying when we're that on offense, we are legitimate Super Bowl contenders. The issue was that when Nick's is not in that place in the passing game, when the passing game does not have that level of rhythm when he's creating his own pressure when he's not scrambling, when he's rolling out and not pushing the ball downfield,

it's hard to envision that. You would have to feel like Sean Payton is just going to put his deep throws on Sunday on a loop in film every day and remind Bo Nix, like one-on-one, you have to do this or our offense doesn't work. Play action, you've got to take them chances or the offense doesn't work. If he does that, then yes, they're contenders. If not, it's just hard to imagine that this defense can do enough to lift them all the way through. Is there a case that there is a parallel between the 2025 Broncos and the 2024

Eagles in some ways? Let me make the case. They don't have the offensive firepower. They don't have the same players on offense. However, they do have a better offensive coach than anybody the Eagles had last year. So in a one game playoff situation, they have a guy who can scheme things up. Defensively, they're playing like a top five defense. I think they're going to be in that mix from now to whenever their season ends, they show

up pretty much every week. I mean, I thought Deontes, the last like four or five minutes of that game, it's 1919. Chiefs have the ball. I'm thinking chiefs are going to score and then we'll see what the Broncos do when they get the ball back. I thought they were at least going to get a field goal. Broncos defense forces a three and out. They sack Mahomes on third down. They get the ball back. They're facing a third and 15. Now I'm going, oh, Mahomes is going to get it back and they're going to score. Bonnix finds Cortland Sutton for 20 yards. He converts a third and five later. He completes a pass to Troy Franklin for 32 yards. So the parallel to me is that I think the defense is showing up pretty much every week. I think the quarterback might have some ups and downs, but in some of these big spots, he is

making some big throws? And is there a case that once we get to the playoffs, like are there games inside of Bo Nix where all of a sudden we can say, hey, he did get hot for a month here, and all of a sudden the Broncos are in the Super Bowl? I think you can make the case that they're very similar to the 2024 Eagles. I think with the caveat would have to be is that. that a team like the 2024 Eagles does not just win the Super Bowl every year, right? A team that has those level of offensive struggles throughout the regular season doesn't usually flip a switch and turn into an explosive play machine in the run and passing game. And I think that maybe the strongest case,

if you wanted to believe that what you're seeing from the 2025 Broncos is the same thing as what you saw from the 2024 Eagles. It's not just the defense. It's the offensive line. Right now, Denver is sixth in the NFL in yards before contact on rushes. and they have the fifth lowest pressure dropbacks per game. That is all offensive line stuff, right? And if you believe that the health of this offense is based more on what they can do on

early downs in the run game and keeping Bow Nix clean in the pocket, then yeah, that is very similar to what Philadelphia's recipe was last season. And as long as you're not turning the ball over, as long as you're not taking back, breaking sacks and you genuinely trust your defense to do one of the hardest things to do, right, which is to basically never give up explosive plays and also get after the quarterback all the I'm going to create a bunch of havoc in the backfield. It is one of the hardest threads to needle. So harder needles to thread in the NFL.

If you believe that they can maintain that, then sure, I'm with you. The issue for me just continues to go back to that is a high degree of difficulty to live with. I think in a lot of ways, this is like a college football resume thing, right? Like if we were doing the college football committee and we were trying to rank playoff teams in that way, Denver might be first. because you would look at their resume and say they beat last year's champions. They've beaten some of the better teams than the AFC. They played Indianapolis down to the last snap, basically.

Right? Like this is a team that looks like a championship level team. Beating Kansas City, when you know Kansas City is desperate, when they go up 1916 in the fourth quarter. Like you said, I'm feeling the same way as you watching TV. Like, oh, there's a Travis Kelsey touchdown. They're going to come out, shut down Bowdo Nix, get the ball.

They're going to settle on the ball for the next four and a half minutes. By the time Denver gets it back. there's not going to be any time to go tie or take the lead. And that's just not how it played out. Maybe this team just is turning a corner and I'm just going to be the last one to the party. I'm just a little hung up still that we have not seen anything as emphatic from Denver as what we've seen from Indianapolis and the AFC. Yeah, I thought I was the last one to the party. Honestly, I was holding out and holding out and holding out.

I do, I think it's a meaningful win. I'm with you. You don't want to put too much. And we always, you know, look back and say it was only one game. That's a meaningful win in a big spot. The Chiefs are five and four. like you said, defending AFC champs that last three years need this game badly. You don't have Pat Sertan.

It's close in the fourth quarter. And they outplayed them in the fourth quarter. Like it wasn't fluky. It wasn't, oh, Mahomes had a weird fumble or something like that. It was like they outplayed them in the fourth quarter. They deserve credit. You know, I was just looking this up as you were talking because I was wondering, like, they are consistently competitive.

Like this was one of my favorite traits of those Pete Carroll Seahawks teams. Not only were they blowing teams, but it was just like you weren't going to blow them out. the last two years here, Deonte in the regular season, do you know how many games they've lost by more than a touchdown? I'd have to guess it's like five, five or six. One. One game in the last two years with Bo Nix in year one and two, they've lost by more than a touchdown. That was week nine last year against the Baltimore Ravens.

That's a Sean Payton stat. That's a Sean Payton stat. Listen, he's the most, he may be the most arrogant man in the NFL. I said it before, but I don't disarmament. dispute that he's one of the best coaches of my lifetime. Honestly, this is, this is so impressive what he has done. Drafting a rookie quarterback. Everyone, I made fun of him for that backpack story or whatever.

He said, he looked at his back. And now here he is two in his second year with this guy who's not like an all pro. It's not like that, you know, and he is in position to dethrone Andy Reed, healthy Patrick Mahomes, Spags, in the AFC West. hats off to you, Sean Payton. I got nothing else to say. Let's see how the rest of the season unfolds, but you talk to talk in August,

and you're walking the walk right now. So big, big day for the Denver Broncos. Now we get to the other team in that mix, Deontes. I'll let you start with this one because you were so brazen as to come on this podcast last week and say, you know what? What if the Chiefs don't make the playoffs? And the Jaguars make the playoffs instead of them.

So I ask you now, after they've lost another game, true or false, the Chiefs are an actual danger of missing the playoffs. It has to be mathematic. It was true mathematically last week. It's even more true now. Not mathematically. What's in your heart, Deont?

In my heart of hearts, in my heart of hearts, I genuinely believe that they should be, they should not be sleeping very well on the plane back to Kansas City, right? You should be feeling like we have just burned up all of our margin for error. Losing the Buffalo and losing to Denver has now set a, back and really losing to Jacksonville. I think that's the game that they are going to be kicking themselves over for the rest of the season. Basically, no matter how the seating plays out, they are going to be kicking themselves

over those three games the rest of the way, because now you've basically backed yourself into a corner where you kind of have to beat Indianapolis next week. And you're getting them off a buy. You're going to be desperate. This team has been rolling offensively, and they just made an addition to cornerback. Even if you have some quibbles and I did about the deal to get a guy like sauce, Gardner, if you're looking at where Indianapolis is positioned, they might have just gotten the missing piece to be the AFC champions this year. And for Indianapolis, I mean, not for

Indianapolis, for Kansas City, you're in a position you never want to be in as a team that wants to contend. And that's being in a do-or-die situation before we even get to Thanksgiving weekend, right? That's just not where you want to be. If they lose to Indy, you basically can't lose another game the rest of the way out if you're just looking at the tiebreakers and the seedings, right? You can't afford to lose to the Chargers again. You can't afford to lose to Denver again. And if they lose to Houston, that's another team that's similarly around 500 and is going to be vying probably for the seven seed in the AFC. They don't have any wiggle room. Their best bet right now is that you win enough games to where it comes down to the tie break between you and Baltimore. Let's

say Pittsburgh ends up winning the AFC North and now's between you and Baltimore for the seven seat and the AFC and you get that tie break because you won that game head to head. It's really hard to paint a window into the playoffs for this team outside of that. And that's just not a place that I ever imagined we'd be talking about with Kansas City, especially coming off of that three-week stretch where it looked like the offense was back to 2021, 2022, 2022, 2023 levels, right? And now we're not there anymore. And now they have got to be basically perfect the rest of the way.

And I don't know how to kind of sort that out in my head because that's just not where I thought Kansas City would be at all this year. My mind will not let me get there. This is false. They are not in danger of missing the playoffs. They're going to go on a run. They're going to be okay. But man, the standings page is making me, it's like you have to be fresh.

Am I looking at the, they are ninth in the AFC right now. They would be out of the playoffs at the season started today. They are five and five. You mentioned the Texans. The Texans are five and five. So like you said, that's a big game that they'll have to win against them. The big point there is the Jaguars, which you made last week. And I refuse to believe you.

but the Jaguars are six and four. The chiefs are five and five, but the Jaguars on the tie break there. So you can't, if you tie with the Jaguars, you're out of there. I still think they're going to go on a run. I honestly think if you took this team and they played last year's team,

this team beats last year's team. So last year's team was 15 and two and made it to the playoffs. I mean, it's unreal. Although, you know, let's give our friend Bill Barnwell, a shout-up because he was doing the one-score game thing way before anyone I could remember. And last year, the Chiefs are 10-0 and 1-score games.

Literally, one of the luckiest teams of whatever, the last decade, two decades. And this year, they are 0-5. Like, as the most unlucky team in the NFL this year is the Kansas City Chiefs at 0-N-5. The tiebreakers are not great for them. I was watching that game, especially in the first half, I'm like, the offense is, like, they're doing some stuff. They're missing some shots down field, but you're taking them. You have opportunities.

There's some misthrows. There's some drops in there. I didn't feel like this was the old Chiefs offense that we talked about last year where you're like, man, they're just stuck in mud. They don't have it. So I still think they have it. But your point's well taken. The margin for error is very slim with some difficult games upcoming where if you have a game

where you know what, a couple calls, a couple calls don't go your way. or you have a muffed pun or you have a botched nap. You get a Rishin Rice fumble, something like that. Those games that happen in the NFL, if you have one of those games at an inopportune time, all of a sudden, I might be going to the dark side with Deonté and coming on here one Sunday night and say, I actually don't think they're going to make the playoffs. I'm not there yet. I think they're going to be okay.

I actually am not that discouraged by their offense. and I think they're going to win a lot of these big games and finish with 10 or 11 wins, sneak into the playoffs as a wild card, and then who knows, we might be picking them to get to the Super Bowl if they get to that point. The Chiefs recorded the documentary a year too early. This is the doc I want. Is the dynasty team on the ropes in the regular season? That's the story I want told. That's exciting.

It actually is legitimately exciting just as a fan or an analyst to have this quarterback this coach, not in the playoffs as of mid-November, and what do you got inside of you? This is different than a playoff run. This is a backs against the wall. It's week after week after week after week now. You have to do it. I'm not counting them out.

You're right. This has now become maybe the most intriguing story in the NFL is, wait a minute. Are they actually going to miss the playoffs with Mahomes healthy? Like I said, Andy Reid, Spaggs, a better supporting cast than last year? Or is this, are we going to look up five, six weeks from now and go,

okay, that's just another chapter. And now let's see what happens in the playoffs. So they're minus 220, Deonti, to make the playoffs. So Fandals telling us they're still like, but those division odds flip, so things can flip pretty quickly in a week here. So there is a lot of football left, but I think your point is the main one.

The margin for error is very slim, where one week where things don't go your way in this very weird sport, all of a sudden you're looking up and going, man, I can't believe the season went that way. All right. Let's take a break. We come back and we move over to the NFC. The Ringer NFL show is brought to you by Fandul. FanDuel is changing the way you live bet football and it starts with Next Drive SGPs.

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All right, we are back on the Ringer NFL show. All right, next question. Deontay, true or false? The NFC representative in the Super Bowl is more likely to come from Eagles, Lions, than Seahawks' Rams. So we had these two matchups today, Eagles, Lions, Sunday night football, Seahawks Rams in the late window. And I think it's true.

If you told me who do you want, Eagles Lions or Seahawks Rams, I would take Eagles Lions. Let's just start there. Are you a true or a false here? And then we can get into the storylines. I'm true. I walked away from Sunday Night Football feeling like one of those two teams will more than likely be the representative in the NFC. I think that that's not to take anything away from Los Angeles.

This is maybe more of a reflection on Seattle's quarterback. That's where we got to start. That's where we got to start. Yeah. It's kind of hard to look away from what we saw on Sunday. And yeah, I think that, you know, we can talk about the four interceptions all kind of individually, right? They're all emblematic, though, of the same Sam Darnold problems that we've been having throughout his career, right? And he's a very unique case as a quarterback.

There are guys who are pressured and they take a bunch of sacks. There are guys who get pressured and maybe they throw the ball away a bunch. To me, there's a big issue, the biggest issue with Sam Donald is never. the throw that he, is never the throw that he makes. It's rarely the throw that he makes. It's the ones that he won't. Right. And what I mean by that are the checkdowns he won't take when he's pressured, right? And that's where he makes plays worse for himself. And this existed in Minnesota, right? We were never coming on to the podcast saying, man, Sam Donald missed that deep endbreaker over the middle to Justin Jefferson or Jordan Addison. Oh, he missed a shot to

Jalen Naylor one-on-one out on the perimeter. He can make those throws all game long. That's a big reason why Jackson-Simmith and Jigba looks like this supernova wide receiver. He knows how to get the ball downfield. It's what kind of quarterback are you when pressure is closing in, when pictures are changing on the back end, when you should not try to fit the ball into a tight window. He has not had a change up throughout his career. And I think that Los Angeles did an excellent job of saying,

if we sit in the seams, we can play more. We can probably live in one-on-one on the perimeter, but we're going to sit on the seams, not allow you to get those deep end breakers, not allow you to get those timing throws in the intermediate area of the field. And we're going to bet that we're going to get home to you before you decide to check the ball down. And they were right time in time again in this game. And that's really what led to those turnovers and why Seattle didn't win,

in spite of their defense, basically spending a masterpiece being minus four in the turnover category. That was an intriguing game for me, but I think it was a lot of confirmation that Seattle is not, maybe not offensively in the exact same class. And from a playoff perspective, as the Rams, as the Lions, and as the Eagles, based off of what we've seen. So it goes back to what you said in the beginning about the one game sample thing in a way. Because a reasonable person can make the argument that they outgained the Rams 414 to 249. The Seahawks had 26 first downs. The Rams had 12.

Even with four turnovers, the Seahawks had a chance to kick a field goal at the end to win the game. A reasonable person could say they meet again later this season. In the playoffs, absolutely the Seahawks can win that game. But you know what? We have a history with this quarterback not going too far back to last year like you mentioned. And the biggest thing you were worried about as a Seahawks fan was, is Sam Darnal going to turn into a pumpkin in one of these big games? And it did happen.

You just outlined it. You just outlined why it happened. how it happened. And so you saw that this year, you saw that last year in the wildcard round. You saw it last year in week 18. And I don't want to make it sound like that means it's definitely going to happen going forward. But yes,

it is reasonable to think that, like, man, I'm not that confident in him in a big spot. And then there's other stuff that I like that you touched on stylistically, where I kept waiting for what does this offense look like when you're playing from behind? What does this offense look like when it goes up against a defense that doesn't say, oh, and we need to stop the run.

No, we're not going to worry. We're just going to try to limit the explosive plays because you're not a great running team anyway, which is what the Rams did in this game as well. So those kind of your worst nightmares came true if you were a Seahawks fan in this game. It doesn't mean they stink and aren't going to make the playoffs

and don't have a chance, but some of those things you were worried about I think did come to fruition in this game and now you're kind of worried about it going forward. So I think we're in the same place with the Seahawks. The Rams, man, their coaching staff is just up for, their coaching staff and their quarterback, they're up for the challenge every week.

Every time. And it wasn't a great offensive game. To your point, it was a pretty good defensive game. And you're doing different stuff, different wrinkles. I mean, Chris Shula's got to start getting some credit.

Their corners are not, you know, to be able to coach around that to the degree that they do and have one of the best defenses in the NFL. He deserves credit there. So they're obviously on the list of contenders. And then you mentioned Eagles,

Lions. Let's finish there, Deont. I'll give you a, my quick takeaways here. The Eagles, this defense, with the addition of Jalen Phillips and Nicobe Dean returning from injury,

I mean, it has given them an unbelievable boost. The last two weeks against the Packers and the Lions, two very good offenses, they've given up two touchdowns on 22 possessions. So it's kind of like that Broncos conversation. Their defense is going to keep them in the game pretty much every week. And I actually can make the case that I feel just as good,

if not better, about the Lions. after this game. Because I know what the Lions are. If the Lions have to go outside and if Jared Gough is going to get pressured, they're not going to win those games in the playoffs. However, their defense looks great in this football game and has played pretty consistently well here. And if the Lions end up in a situation where they're playing indoors

or they're not playing a great defense, they have a chance to beat anyone. So that's where I'm at with those two teams. What did I get right? What did I get wrong? I think I'm with you on both counts, right? Like, I feel okay about Detroit. Detroit can still win the NFL.

North. And as long as they win the NFC North, that means they're hosting a playoff game. And if they're playing indoors, they should be able to win a playoff game, assuming health, you know, especially for their defense. And I thought their defense showed up really well for as banged up as they were in the secondary against Philadelphia. I think that for Philadelphia, you started where I wanted to start, right? How rare is it that you trade for a player on a bad team and he gets to a good team? And you can legitimately say, that guy might have been a missing piece for a good team. And that is exactly what Jalen Phillips has been so far in the last two weeks for Philadelphia.

You slot him in as an edge rusher to play opposite Jailix Hunt add into the rotation with Nolan Smith. And it is like magically everybody's role seems to just make a thousand times more sense. Now you don't have to have conversations about is Jalen Carter being as impactful a pass rusher as you would like for him to be to make this defense what you wanted to be on obvious past situations? You don't have to ask Jailix Hunt and Nolan Smith to be guys that they. really aren't. These aren't guys that are necessarily ready to be able to tear off the edge on third and obvious passing situations and go beat tackles one-on-one on a consistent basis. But you have a guy like Phillips who can one on early downs as an edge setter who can show up in the run game. I think the last two games for him as a run defender have been two of his better

ones all season. And really it makes it makes it hard to understand why Miami was so bad at stopping the run and why you would give away a young player like this, given how productive he's been in his new setting. And then I think, think on the other side, on the other side of it for me with Philadelphia, we saw a little bits and pieces of it today. Maybe the wind affected it in the second half and this offense just has often had the tendency to kind of turtle up once they get leads in the second half. So I don't know what to make what we saw after halftime. But you can see that they can feed, they can feed AJ Brown. And we've seen in previous weeks, they can feed Devonthe Smith in those intermediate areas.

And I thought in the run game, at least, on early downs, it seemed like they had something decent against the team that you know has big bodies on the interior and wants to challenge you to beat them in between the tackles. I actually left this game feeling like, if this is a recipe for this team, just as it was in 2024, somehow I'm getting more comfortable with it. I'm still very frustrated with what we're seeing offensively,

but if you're just taking the whole of it, Vic Fangio, et cetera, et cetera, I think I'm much, much more comfortable with the way the defense is playing right now and the margin of error that creates for the offense than I was at any other point this season. Yeah, it was statistically the worst offensive game in the last two years

for the Eagles. I'm with it watching live. Didn't you just tweet out something like that last week? Yeah, I know. That's what someone said. Are you repeating? Because it was their best, you know, one of their best defensive performances. Yeah, they still got a lot to figure out

on that side of the ball. But I think it just feels like deja vu because we were saying this last year and they kept winning. And then they turned it on offensively in the playoffs. And then they won the super. So the defensive part is exciting.

The offensive part is not exciting, but maybe they'll figure something out with the run game. They use Jalen Hertz as a runner more in this game, really, than they have all season with those designed runs. So they're just, again, they just continue to be very talented where, you know, you're not sure how it's going to happen. You're not sure what it's going to look like, but they've now beaten the lions, the Packers, the Rams, the Bucks, the Chiefs. Like they have had a hard schedule, and there they are sitting atop the NFC standings. All right. That was great. Thank you to Deonté Lee for playing a little true or false with me.

You know what? We had a lot to talk about. So we're not doing the hurry up today because I had a lot to catch up with for Deante. So that'll be the show. Thank you to Deante Lee. Thank you to Christopher Sutton for producing Kara Givens on social and additional production supervision by Connor and Evans and Arjuna Ram Gopal. A lot more coming this week.

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