The Ringer NFL Show - Week 6 Recap: Bills Survive at Home, Eagles and Niners Suffer Their First Loss, and Backup Quarterbacks Take Center Stage | Dual Threat

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

Steven Ruiz is joined by Austin Gayle this week, filling in for Nora Princiotti, and they start with the Bills hanging on to win at home against the Giants. Then, they discuss Eagles and Niners—previously the two remaining unbeaten teams—both suffering their first loss on Sunday (10:30). Then, they get to their winners and losers from Week 6, which include the Ravens, Dolphins, Patriots, and more (30:54). The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming, please checkout theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Austin Gayle and Steven Ruiz Producer: Isaiah Blakely Additional Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopal and Connor Nevins Social: Kiera Givens and Eduardo Ocampo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, this is Jason Gough from the full go podcast. Me and the crew, we like to entertain you. And we're going to do more of that this football season because the bears should be more intriguing. There should be more fascination. Justin Fields. Is this the make or break year? Is DJ Moore the piece that's going to put them over the top? You can catch us on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, or when we have an emergency podcast,

when we have breaking news. Make sure you follow the full go on Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Quarterbacks today. That includes Kyle Allen, who had a couple of things. snaps. And I think I'm the Kyle Allen of this podcast because I'm only getting a couple snaps in. I am the backup to Nora Princeati. This is Austin Gail with Steve Marie's on dual threat. I don't even know if it's called dual threat if I'm mine. It's like an individual threat with a backup Kyle Allen in. I'm excited to go over this football, man. I'm excited to do a Sunday night,

Monday flip podcast in the NFL with you, man. Are you saying we're, we're, uh, one dimensional tonight? I don't know if we're one dimensional, but we're going to have to do some Malik Cunningham kind of trickery with me in here, man. It's going to have to do We need to do some change of pace stuff. You can't run the same offense. No way you're running the same offense. But jokes aside, best wishes to Norrisiotti. Under the weather, but I'm coming in off the bench,

just like nine other quarterbacks did today. Nine quarterbacks that are technically backups played in the NFL today. That's more than the quarter of the league. And that's including Kyle Allen, who only played like two snaps. But still, it was insane. And they had some success. PJ Walker won. Tyra Taylor almost won.

Zach Wilson won. I'm excited to talk to Slate, man. I think backup quarterbacks are back. Maybe I'm back as well. I feel like the NFL is weird too, and it's going to get weirder with all these backups playing, but there are eight teams that don't have a offense or defense in the top half of the league. And four of those eight teams are still 500. That's insane.

That is bananas. Just bat on both sides of the ball and getting it done. Three and three. Can we start since it's fresh in my mind? I know we have the headline. We have to talk about the Eagles losing. We have to talk about the 49ers losing. no undefeated teams left in the NFL.

But before we get into that, just because it's fresh, Saturday night football ends up being a barn burner. First question to you, obviously, Bill's win on a last play, the last play, Bill's win. Bill's win 14-9. It was a jump ball over the middle of Darren Waller, doesn't come down with it. Arguably a penalty, arguably not.

A penalty set him up at the one. I think they gave them enough chances. Buffalo wins 14-9. Did Don Martindale earn the wink back, though? 14 points against Buffalo. I know you're talking about it on this podcast. You got a win. Do you think he's, does he get a wink?

No, you got to win. Okay, fair. You can't, you literally can't spell wink without the word win and he lost. So no, get a win and then we'll revisit that discussion, but no. I do think two takeaways that happen in this game. Tyrae Taylor looked good against yes, a Buffalo defense that is like absolutely devastated by injuries right now. Matt Milano, Tornavius, Y, Deacon.

they have so many injuries on that side of the ball that it has to be difficult. Similar to with Kyle Shanahan, the San Francisco 49ers, we're going to get there. Has to be difficult to sub that many players in and still run good defense. And then on the other side of the ball, I thought Wheat Marndale played well enough. I thought he coached well enough. I thought it was good to get Josh Allen off the script as much as he did. I just think it really showed me, and we're going to talk a lot about quarterbacks on this podcast, what Josh Allen can do when that first look isn't there and he is scrambling and he does have to move off the block.

And like, that to me is the top of the NFL and what everyone else is chasing. It's like you have something where your margin of error is so wide because Josh Allen can hit Quinton Morris, who I don't think even has a catch this year, randomly in the end zone with a seed into coverage when the play is broken up,

whereas there's so many other teams in the league. Not just the eight that are playing backup quarterbacks, but a lot of the other ones as well that don't have that luxury that when the first play isn't there or the second play isn't there, they have someone like a Josh Allen or like a Patrick Mahomes.

I would even throw Lamar Jackson in that, Justin Herbert, guys that can create, guys that can give you that second and third play against good defensive play callers. Josh Allen, I know, wasn't a great game. You put up 14 points against this giant defense.

I don't think that's ever going to be talked about as this great game. But I thought what he was able to do, specifically out of structure in the second half, to win in this game ultimately, I thought it was impressive. And I felt like the game never felt out of hand. I thought the bills were going to win it the whole way.

Up until that ending, when they got the ball all the way down to the one yard, line, but it just felt inevitable that Josh Allen would make a play. And then he made a typical Josh Allen play. That throw you're talking about to Morris, there's no window there. There's no time. There's no platform. He created that out of nothing. And there are like maybe two other quarterbacks that make that play. I know you listed a couple of that. I don't even know if some of those guys that you listed make that play. I think this is why you need one of these quarterbacks because we see around the league, like when you have the talent around these guys and

the defense has enough talent to match that you kind of see offenses fall off. You saw that in the San Francisco game, but with the bills, they always have a chance. He's always going to make a play. And you never have to worry about that. And that's now two weeks in a row, though, that this bill's offense hasn't looked great after that Miami game. Last week, it was easy to blame it on the London trip. It was easy to blame it on the travel when they decided to travel out. But this time, coming back, I don't know, maybe we give them the same leeway, but two straight weeks.

this offense hasn't been good enough, and this offense has to be elite, top level, week to week with the injuries on defense. I don't think you're wrong. What I will say is, and I know like Josh Allen at times, you go back to that week one game against the New York Jets.

You're like, what was going on? He had that press conference where he said, it looks a lot like last year or making these same mistakes. He looked like he was about ready to cry. Like, it didn't look good. And in this game, he had that interception over the middle of field.

Bobby O'Kherk, you know, bats it up, and I think you had Micah McFadden end up with the interception. you're like, man, that's a boneheaded play. There's not a window there. You shouldn't be doing those things, Josh Allen. But then I find myself continually coming back to what is consistent with him. He gives me a chance on every freaking play. And like, watching as much football as I did today with as many bad quarterbacks as I did today,

it's like, man, you can't say that about Desmond Ritter. You can't say that about Sam Howell. You can't say that, honestly, about even Joe Burrow with the state of that offense right now. Like, there are not a lot of quarterbacks that you can fundamentally say, if he's dropping back to pass, I have a freaking. chance. Now with Josh Allen, that percentage chance he hits Bobby O'Caricay in the face is also high, but at least he gives you a chance. He gives you a chance with this superstar second playability that the rest of the league should be chasing if they aren't. I want to talk to you specifically

about some of these young quarterbacks in the NFL that people are, you know, we're going to have to start making decisions on. Do we commit to these, you know, 2021, 2020 quarterbacks and all of that kind of stuff? Anything else on this Giants-Bills game? We could talk about Brian Dayball. He was throwing headsets left and right. He had that end of game to start where it was clear that Tyra Taylor gets the line, not a lot of time left. If he runs the ball, they're not going to have enough time to spike it. He checks to a run. They run the ball. Brian Dayball looks like he's about to explode, like a pimple on someone's back, like his head's going to explode. Obviously upset that he checks to this run, they're not able to get a field goal. They're not able to get

points before half. My opinion of that, as much as it is an error on Tyra Taylor for check and run, not knowing the situation, not knowing he can't spike in time, that, in my opinion, has to be spoken to him and coached to him before the play. Like, hey, do not check to run here. I know normally you do have that option. Do not check to run here. And at the end, you see day ball, this office of play call, obviously maybe it's my Kafka, whatever, this jump ball at Darren Waller, which maybe it could have been penalty,

maybe it wasn't. That's me in a 50-50 situation. That's what a jump ball is. Not a good play call. Not a good decision. I find myself looking at dayball for some of these wrong decisions. And honestly, some of this like poor taste coaching where he's like screaming at players on the sideline. I know he just won't coach of the year.

And maybe I'm out of line here. But I'm not a huge fan of the antics. And maybe that's crazy. No, I don't think it is because he's a head coach now. He's not an offensive coordinator. I think that type of thing maybe can fly when you're an offensive coordinator. But like even I think it was Melissa Stark on the NBC broadcast was like, I try to ask him questions.

and he was just like, Melissa, I can't talk right now. I mean, you can't just throw out like a platitude or something. Just give us a cliche. Like, I agree with you. I think that is a bad look that he's kind of losing his mind on the sideline. And I agree that that last call, you have a mobile quarterback. I feel like you have to leverage that somehow. And the way they leveraged it was apparently just throwing it up,

just throwing up a pop-up up to Waller in the back of the end zone. I thought it was a terrible call too, where you didn't even really give him an option. And if that play is gloved up and it was by Terran Johnson, Tyrod literally doesn't have time to make another play, make another read. So I thought, I don't know. It was just a horrible call. I agree with you on that one. I was talking to our producer and we'll get off this game.

We'll move to the headline. We have to talk equals. We have to talk 49ers. Both those teams lost. They were the two undefeated teams. But just because it's fresh. I was talking to Isaiah Blakely, our producer. And he's like, oh, it was a penalty.

You have to throw that play. I don't want a refs taking over the game. And maybe that's true. I feel in jumpball situations, though, refs are consistently like, eh, I don't know. like that's with, that's with end zone phase, that's with Hill Marys. Anytime there is this jump ball, there's oftentimes more leeway, right, versus a whip route or return route or any of this stuff that we've seen get called for defensive holding or defensive

pass interference. I'm not saying that's, that is more reason to not call it, though. Like, there's articles written by the analytics community about like, don't run the end zone fade anymore. It's like not a high percentage play. Don't run in the end zone or don't run in the goal line or whatever. I especially feel that way when it's the last play of the game. And like you said, you're not giving Tyra Taylor the second option.

run a play that gets someone open, and then if they're not open, there's another opportunity to do something just because you don't want to leave yourself and like, is Darren Waller your best player? I'm getting a little bit too into it right now, but I do feel like there needs to be more scolding for this play call,

and there needs to be more scolding towards Brian Dayball. I hope we haven't seen the press conference yet. If that guy's throwing shade at Tyra Taylor for that, I'll lose my goddamn mind. That's a coaching error. I agree with you. Mistakes start with the top. Mistakes start with Brian Daibald.

He gave him the platform to make the mistake. So I agree with you. There you go. All right. Norr-Princey-a-di, giving me the platform and maybe make some mistakes as well, going too long on Sunday night football. Let's go to the headline here. The Philadelphia Eagles went into today, undefeated, going against a bad Jets team,

on the road, but still going against a bad Jets team, favored by seven, with their backup quarterback, Zach Wilson. Jets win, 2214. The San Francisco 49ers, the only other undefeated team, yes, on the road, six and a half, seven point favorite over the Cleveland Browns, going against a backup quarterback and PJ Walker, they lose 1917.

Which game do you want to start with? Because this is obviously shocking the NFL. You know, we got to start with Bernie. We got to start with the 49ers. Let's go. It looked like the best team in football last week. I think the Eagles, even though they started off 5 and 0, have looked shaky throughout the season,

I was way more shocked by the 49ers performance. I could see the Eagles being in a competitive game. I didn't expect them to lose the Zach Wilson, but I wasn't surprised it was close at the end. To quickly recap the San Francisco 49ers, Cleveland Browns game, Browns win 1917, rookie third rounder, Jake Moody, misses a kick with less than 10 seconds ago. It's a 41-yard field goal. He misses the kick, and they lose the game. Right away, Kyle Shanahan's like, yeah, we want to make that kick, but we made too many mistakes. I watched his whole press conference.

I think he said too many mistakes, like 18 times. He said, we made too many mistakes, offensively defense, we made too many mistakes. this game was also the first game that that rookie had ever missed a kick. So it was bound to happen anyway. I want to throw that play out of the window. Who cares? They miss the kick that happens. Kickers evolve, both at the college level and the NFL level.

What I want to ask you is what exactly is the headline here? Is it Jim Schwartz and that Brown's defense who Kyle Shanahan poured praise on? I think a lot of people have poor praise on Jim Schwartz in this defense this year. It's one of the best defenses, if not the best defense in the NFL, depending on the statistic you look at? Was it Schwartz just in his bag at, dialing it up? or, and I know you're interested in this, was it Purdy? Maybe not rising to the occasion and falling flat without a Christian McCaffrey,

without Adivo Samuel, Trent Williams missed a couple plays. Drake Greenlaw, their linebacker did not play in this game. Like, yes, they had injuries. Was it Purdy and the injuries? Was it Schwartz in the injuries? Where do you kind of, you know, allocate the blame here? I think it was, I'm going to go with the injuries first, because I do think Kyle had a plan for the way Cleveland's defense attacked

San Francisco's offense. And I think the plan was just being aggressive. They played a lot of single high coverage. And they try to shoot gaps early in the run game, try to create TFLs, try to create obvious passing situations for Purdy. And early on, like Kyle had an answer.

They were doing like end-or-rounds. They were doing quick screens of the wide receivers. Debo was like a big part of the gameplay in early. And then he goes out. And I think it's tough to adjust mid-game. And especially when your quarterback can't really grip the ball. And we saw Purdy throw a couple of ducks during the game. I was wondering if they should think of.

about putting Darnold in. I do think Pertie did settle down. I don't know if it dried up or stopped raining. You were not thinking should they put Darnold in. You were not thinking that. I was. You were insane. You were insane.

There were a couple of replays where it looked like the ball was just slipping out of his hand. There was a, he had the one play that every bad quarterback always has where the ball, like the empty hand going forward. At that point, I was like, this guy can't even grip the ball. Like, yes,

if he can't grip the ball and make a throw, you think about putting Darnold in. I don't think he would have done it. Like Kyle would have done it. Because if you do that, you just open up a can of worms about who the leader. It would be rough. I would just take the L at that point, like literally take the L in Cleveland rather than put Darnel in there.

But Bernie did settle down. Like he was able to throw the ball a little bit better later in the game. But it wasn't like this creative game plan, really. Like I said, it was like cover one, cover three. There were a couple of like funky coverages on third and long. But beyond that, it was a straightforward. We're just going to take away the run game. and if you can't beat us over the top,

then we're going to win this game in a sloppy one, and that's what happened. Yeah, Kyle Shanahan in his press conference, he said, we went into it, we knew it was going to be grimy. And he said he credited the scheme, but honestly, they got good pass-fisher's, talented corner, and good scheme.

It was something that when I looked at it, I was like, they're playing a lot of man coverage. I think the broadcast even highlights. I'm playing a lot of man coverage. And I think what that did was force, Purdy, who was often rushed. His process was either rushed or he were actually under pressure,

forced to make some, really accurate throws. And when I was charting the second half, it's like, oh, slight miss by party there. Slight miss by purdy there. I do think he was more inaccurate with the football in this game than he has in a lot of other games previously. Getting into the injuries, Debo Samuel only played nine snaps in this game. His last play was with three minutes and 14 seconds left in the first quarter. Only 36 offensive snaps for Christian McCaffrey. His last play was with three minutes left in the third quarter. And once those two guys left, once Debo left, had to force the ball to Ray, right around a little bit more. That didn't help things. Then when

Chris McAfree left, their early down efficiency running, the football wasn't there. I do think the injuries are the biggest part of this. The second biggest part of this, though, it was a very good defense, willing to play man coverage, and force Brock Purdy to deliver accurate footballs. Because I do think he had some people open.

Missed Ayukah handful of times. I'm not saying they should have benched it for Donald. I'm definitely not saying that. No one's saying that. No, no. I do think that, I hate this word. And I'm going to ask you, actually. Is there any blueprint material here?

Is there any blueprint material here? Is there any blueprint material here? I know we mentioned, remember when Tua Tunga by Loa with the Dolphins and Brandon's Daily dialed it up? And there was like, it's blueprint, blueprint season. And everyone just like, you know, shut down the dolphins. And it was Mike McDaniel had to come with the second pitch and the two it gets hurt. Is there blueprint material here?

That's what everyone wants to know. Well, I like how you pass the buck to me. You're like, I'm not going to say. I'm going to make you say it. Everyone in San Francisco already hates you. Just say it. Uh, no, because the blueprint, a big part of the blueprint was having like a very very good secondary and a very good pass rush and just playing cover one and cover three.

Like that's the default NFL defense. I think if there is like a thing that defenses can learn from this and take away from the Browns game plan, they didn't play any base. I think it was like three snaps and one of the snaps was like a kneel down at the end of the half. The other one was a spike. And the third one was third and one. That's kind of been the secret to the offense so far as they get a lot of base coverage.

Brock Purdy coming into this game had the most attempts against base coverage. And it's because of their personnel, because they have George Kittle and use check, and they put tight ends and fullbacks out there and they have a run game. And they didn't have that today. Or the Browns didn't want, they didn't play their game. They're like, no, we're going to play nickel. You're going to have to run on us. We're not going to give up those play action passes. When you have like DBs out there and lighter linebackers, you can do more stuff in coverage.

Like you can have a DB or a safety run with one of those overrouts on play action. When you have a linebacker out there, you don't want to play like match coverage because you don't want to get a linebacker with a neck roll matched up with Debo Samuel downfield. That wasn't a worry in this game. And partly it was the injuries. And then partly it was the game plan by Schwartz playing nickel. And I don't know. That's why it's hard to answer your question. It was a little bit of everything.

But I would put the injuries first because it kind of put constraints on Kyle and what he could do and what answers he can come up with to kind of exploit this aggressive game plan. The only other thing I picked up as a consistency, specifically in the second half, where they were really struggling to put up points is one, it was wet and Purdy was struggling to hold on the ball. I think that the injuries showed up more in the second half because that's when Christian McCaffrey left the game. And they forced a lot of second and longs.

There was penalties included in that as well, intentional grounding here and there. Like the penalties and forcing them into second longs, now you're like, oh, that's what they need to do. Every defense needs to do that. That's the blueprint for every day. Force people into second and longs. That's great.

Thanks for that. What I want to know is, what can we take away from this moving forward? and it had me thinking. So Debo Samuel, this is from Ian Rappaport. X-rays on his shoulder were negative. We don't have a report or an update beyond that. You know, kind of scrubbing the 49ers website,

scrubbing the Shanahan press conference. It was an oblique slash rib, according to Shanahan. For Christian McCaffrey, Trent Williams, left the game and came back. Drake Greenlaw missed the entire game with the hamstring. Who do you think the offensive skill player specifically? Which offensive skill player on this 49ers team is the most important to this offense?

Because we saw Christian McCaffrey leave. We saw Debo Samuel leave. There's obviously Brandiouk. There's George Kittle. Juan Jennings is someone they consistently go to on money downs. I threw Kyle Uchick in there. If you say Kyle Ushchek, I'll blow up right now. I'll lose it.

I'll lose it. If you have some weird, schemey thing, you're like, yeah, actually Uchek is what unlocks it. Who is the most important? Maybe give me your top two? I'm glad you gave me a top two. I'm going to go McAfree and George Kittle. Wow, over Debo.

Yeah. I think George Kittle, like if someone was a hipster trying to be a hipster and give the use check answer, I think like George Kittle does the stuff that you would think use check does, like being able to be a blocker and a receiver at the same time and being able to string the or change the strength of the formation right before the snap. But McCaffrey, I just thought gave this offense another element where they weren't so reliant on the run game and the play action game. They had other easy buttons now.

Now they could just spam option routes underneath it. the hope that he could turn a five-yard pass into a 20-yard gain, and he does it consistently. I thought one thing the Browns did well today was take away those option routes. They always had a guy on either side of them, whether he was breaking in or out. They did, the 49ers did get him loose on one of them where he didn't, usually on the option route, you're either sitting it down underneath the zone or breaking in or out based on the leverage of your defender. On one of them, he went deep, and the Browns weren't ready for it.

And he was open and pretty missed the throw by about like five yards. So I think McCaffrey just makes things easier. I don't think, I don't think there's like as much of the expiration date on the offense. Like there was with Jimmy G. Back before they had McCaffrey, if teams were able to stop a run and stopped her play and stuff, it was over. And like that's not the case as long as McCaffrey's out there now. The 49ers are 5 and 1.

Still a two game lead. Two more wins than a new team in their division. They are not in hell. Nothing is on fire. This is fine. I do think that moving forward, this 49ers team, and we say this every year, needs to stay healthy, right?

Chris McCaffrey, who I hate the term injury prone, but he is a guy that has been hurt a lot. You have Debo Samuel who's battled some injuries. You need to stay healthy. This 49ers team needs to stay healthy, and I agree with you. I think Chris McCaffrey is the most important piece, maybe even more important than Purdy.

But let's move off of that. Let's move off a Purdy. Let's move off the San Francisco 49ers. Let's move off this game and go to the other headline here. It's the Philadelphia Eagles. They lose. against a Zach Wilson led New York Jets team.

They lose this game. And I was stunned. I was absolutely stunned that they ultimately weren't able to come away with it after they gave up the Breece Hall touchdown. So it was, you know, Jalen Hurst throws this ugly interception with an opportunity to kind of ice the game, this ugly interception. They're up 1412, I believe. And I went and looked at what he said in his press conference,

he said, I didn't do my job on the play. I don't think I made the correct read. Siriani said, I think he looked like a cover four, but I have to watch tape. I don't know what it was. It was ugly, man. This interception was ugly. He was fading back. Two people sitting on this route to Dallas Godder,

staring at him in the face. He's looking at them. They're looking at him. He's looking at them. He just throws it right to their chest. And it's like, oh, man, he just threw away the game. Then I think it was a play later or even like maybe two plays there. They let Reese Hall score to try and get the ball back.

They get the ball back and not enough time. And ultimately not enough. A dollar late and a day short for the Eagles come back in one in this one. Jets win 2214. My opinion is, and I'm going to throw it to you here, Jalen Hertz, up to that interception where he or Siriani didn't really know what happened there, just knew it wasn't getting the job done. Up until that interception, I thought Jailen Hertz was playing really, really well,

especially considering Lane Johnson only played nine snaps in this game. Jack Driscoll had to come in at right tackle and was getting absolutely demolished by the supposing defense against the Jets. So I don't know. I think Hertz played a really good game. I saw Ben Solac, an analyst here at the Ringer, a writer. here at the ringer said there was an email asking about Hertz's contract. If you're an Eagles fan asking about Hertz's contract after this game, you are insane. I think Hertz played a really good

game, had a boneheaded interception that he'd obviously like to have back. That ultimately makes the difference here in this win for the Jets. Yeah, I agree with you. I really thought like from a creation standpoint, creating offense on his own, I thought it was a brilliant game from Jalen Hertz up until that fourth quarter until he kind of blew away the, or threw away the game. And I, it was a bad quarter. It was a bad look. this isn't a quarterback we've seen play in the fourth quarter in competitive games. The Eagles last year just weren't in these situations where they had to come back, really. And the one time they were was that Colts game early in the year.

And they kind of just ran the ball instead of throwing it. So seeing him in this environment and seeing him fail in the way that he did is kind of concerning. I see why an Eagles fan would be concerned. But I thought that the first three quarters were the reason the game was even relatively close. He didn't get a lot of help from the play calling. He didn't get a lot of help from the receivers. There were a lot of there. Devon DeVosmith dropped a couple balls.

I'm a hurt skeptic. I don't think he's a top five quarterback. I am skeptical about that deal and how it will age. But I don't think this is like a game where I'm going to do a victory lap off of it, even though it was a little rough. And that interception was rough. That was like a very basic read. It was like an homage to Bryce Harper maybe, staring down the Braves dude.

He stared down a defender. Look at you. you making the baseball connection. So you weren't clamoring for Marcus Marriota to come off the bench during this game. You weren't saying they should go bring in Marcus Marriota. No, I think Jalen Hurts has big hands. He can handle the wet ball. On the jet side, no sauce gardener, no DJ Reed. They're two starting outside cornerbacks. Can we tip the cap to that secondary for not complete? Because I thought they came out in this game and you're better at understanding opening game script. You're better understanding how a team wants coming in game plan. But my opinion of the opening script for the Philadelphia

Eagles is like, we're going to attack these corners. We're going to throw the ball. We're going to make them tackle. We're going to maybe throw the ball even more on early downs than we normally do. I thought it was working generally to start. But overall, guys like Bryce Hall, I think the other guy's name was Craig James. Those guys made some plays. Craig James at the back of the end zone had that one pass break up against Alameda Zakias. I was like, oh wait, this is a really well-coached team. And that's where I was like, oh, wait, this is what it is. Robert Sala and this defense, two men down, to play as they did against a very good Philadelphia Eagles team,

I keep coming back to that this defense is one very deep along the defensive line. Bryce Huff making plays, Jermaine Johnson making plays. They still have Carl Lawson, or at least the corpse of Carl Lawson, whatever he's able to do, like Quincy Williams, Quinn Williams. They have a lot of talent and a lot of depth at multiple levels of this defense that showed up in the secondary. But it's also a really well-coached team because I feel like of any team I watch today, they're also the most fired up after every play.

Sometimes that matters. That matters. You know that old press conference thing? Or no, it's like an old YouTube clip where Bill Belichick's like, look at this. This is what I love to see. They're, uh, you know, we score a touchdown. We're celebrating as a team or blah, blah, blah, like some bullshit like that. And that's kind of coach speak.

When you think about getting in this locker room, I do feel like that's a big part of it, man. It's a big part of just like, hey, we're going to show up. We're going to ball out. We're going to fucking love each other the entire way through, no matter if we're like 14-point dogs in this game. I don't know. I think this just seems well coached, specifically defensively. and to do what they did against Philly, as good as Hertz played, I thought was impressive. Yeah, there's that one college coach.

I think it was, was it, who's the Minnesota coach, Fleck. Was it PJ Fleck who said if you're juiceless, you're useless? I don't know if that. If that's what he said, I need that. I need that tattooed across my chest. You need a shirt. But yeah, I feel like I talked to you, I said this to you earlier today that the 49ers were failing this test where they get to play a team that kind of has similar strengths.

to the Eagles. I think you could say the same thing about the Eagles. They failed their test against a team that has a similar strength as the 49ers, especially on defense. Obviously, Sala has a connection with San Francisco. That defense is built in a lot of the same ways, especially with Soss Gardner out and Reed out today. But they were able to put a roof over that offense.

And they were daring them to beat them over the top and down the sidelines. There was a couple throws to A.J. Brown where it did work. But for the most part, Jalen Hertz had to either create on his own by getting outside of the pocket. He did that a lot today. Or he just had to throw it underneath the coverage. And that's kind of been the theme this season. That's why their success rate is very low, even though Jalen Hertz has been accurate and

has completed a lot of his passes. Those passes aren't going for big gains. So I think this is kind of more of the same. And it's kind of a Cincinnati problem, like the problem Cincinnati had last year where they couldn't get anything deep going at the beginning of the year. And they had to change the way they played offense. And Joe Burrow had to change the way kind of a person. the game, and then once defense is adjusted to that, the deep balls opened up again.

And I think Philadelphia is in a similar spot, and they have a first year offensive coordinator who's never called plays at this level, trying to figure this out. And the early results have not been good and not been encouraging. I feel like we left out four elephants in the room. What is it? What sound does an elephant make? They're roaring? I don't know if elephants roar. Anyway, there's four elephants in this room. It's four turnovers from the Philadelphia Eagles. the Jets didn't have one. One of those was a screen to Goddert that got intercepted after it hit his hands. It got like bumped up, and I think it was intercepted by Quinn and Williams.

Another one was his Jalen Hart, Hertz's arm was getting hit, goes in the air, easy interception for the Jets defense. And then obviously one of them was was a backbreaking. What the hell was that interception from Jalen Hertz late in the game? That's one everyone will remember. And then I believe DeAndre Swift fumbled the ball. So four turnovers is going to make this not great. The other piece of this is I think if Lane Johnson doesn't go out, I think they win this game.

I think Jack Driscoll was that bad. Jack Driscoll comes in is getting demolished on every play, forcing Hertz to scramble, forcing hers to create. I think if he was able to play inside a structure more, I do think things get a little bit easier. They're not backed up as much as they were. They had a handful of drives where it was like third and 23 or whatever it was. I don't know.

I don't see blueprint here for the Eagles at all. I do think that the Jets play good defense and good defense, well-coached defense, consistent defense. When you're able to force turnovers like that, always be around the ball. Be juice. not useless. I do think that has weight.

There's only so many defenses in the league that can do that, though. I think that's juice that's not recreateable necessarily. Yeah, it's the same thing as the Browns game. Like I think both of these teams just played sound defense.

Like playing over the top and having a good four-man rush, yeah, every team knows to do that. That's not a blueprint, like you said. We've talked some good quarterbacks. We've talked some good offenses. I want to go to a break. And then when we get back,

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Atlanta was favored by two and a half. Falcons lose. Commanders win 2416, like I said before. What were your initial reactions from this game? Because it was, was it a battle of mid? Or was it a garbage fest? I know there's that meme where the two dumpsters are kind of racing in the rain.

Where were you at with this game? I found it enjoyable because the Falcons have Drake London and Kyle Pitts and Bejohn Robinson. All those guys make plays every single week. We're like, what the f-the-f. And then on the other side, I thought Curtis Samuel had a handful of plays I liked. Terry McClorn had some plays. But these two quarterbacks, these two quarterbacks, do we build around these guys? I need to know what you think.

I don't know. Like, what would you rather have five sacks or like three backbreaking interceptions that are just terrible to watch? So I have a take. I actually have an answer to that. So you bring up the five sacks. Sam Howell today was sack. five times. That's a lot. We've seen games, though, where Daniel Jones got sacked 11, so it's not that much. But how about this? He's now on pace, Sam Howell,

that is, for 96 sacks this season, which is 20 more than the NFL record holder, David Carr. Not Derek Carr. Everyone mistakes Derek and David. It was David Carr. When was it David Carr? 2002. Why does that matter? That was the first season in Texans history. For those of you too young, or maybe too old and don't remember this at all, how does the team start in the NFL? I had to look this up. I went to Wikipedia. Each NFL team listed five players

that the Texans could select, and the Texans were required to claim at least 30 players or up to $27.2 million worth of contracts. So 30 players that cost a combined $27.2 million. That was how they built their team. So no, this Houston Texan team was ass. And David Carr, not that great either,

but this is probably one of the worst offensive lines any NFL team has trotted out ever. And yet the Washington commanders, specifically Sam Howell is on pace for 20 more sacks than that. When Eric B. Enemy was asked about the sacks, he's like, I didn't know it was that many. That was a couple weeks ago, but still, this is insane. Sam Howell, if you remove sacks from the sample size for every quarterback in the NFL, is a top 10 quarterback in EPA per dropback.

Yeah, that's like saying, you know, my aunt's my uncle, if we do a couple things. However, I do think Sam Howell with the sacks, not know, not think. I know Sam Howell, when you include the sacks, is a bottom five quarterback in the league in EPA per dropback. It's his Achilles heel. that feels more fixable than maybe Desmond Ritter, this roller coaster we play with him where it's inaccurate consistently,

decision making's inconsistent, backbreaking interceptions, there isn't this clutch factor, I don't know. I think if we cheer up the sacks and let Eric be enemy know that, yeah, he's on pace for some crazy-ass numbers,

I think we can fix things with Sam Howell, not to the degree he's a top 10 player, but I'd rather have Howell over Ritter, even with that number. I disagree with that notion that we can fix the sacks. I mean, this is a, you just laid out the,

this is other world. I think we can fix them to where like maybe he's only being sacked at non-record levels, right? He's getting sacked the most, but not to the record, you know? How is he going to play? He can't stand. This is not safe. Forget about him being a top 10 quarterback. Is he going to be able to play for five years?

With the sacks too, and it's funny because you watch. And I think the composite ranking for the offensive line is according to Ben Baldwin, composite of sports and phone solutions, PFF and next gen stats. They're like 12th, the offensive line for Washington. which maybe, give or take, the analytics on offensive line is kind of weird, but, like, still, say it's an average offensive line or slightly below average offensive line. There's no reason you should be on pace for 96 sacks unless you're doing something wrong.

And what I see that's wrong, beyond holding the ball too long, that's how you get sacked, fellas, is this guy has so many I'm him moments, just so many where he's like, dude, I'm back there and he's like, a little bit of pressure, no one's really open. If I just tuck this, maybe do a couple spin moves, I might be going to the crib. And he thinks it every single time. Tucks it. Oh, I'm about to get loose. just kidding, I'm playing the NFL, just kidding him on pace for 20 more sacks than the record holder.

Who is going to tell him? Like, who that's that meme. It's like, does he know? Does he know you're not that guy? He's Baker Mayfield. Like, he is exactly Baker Mayfield. I remember I tweeted, there was like a Brown's Cardinals game and I tweeted at the time. It was Kyler versus Baker.

And I was like, there are two, like, number one picks from Oklahoma. And one of them thinks he's the better player on the field and he's not. And it's Baker Mayfield. And that's what, like, that's the syndrome that Sam has. has. And that's why I'm like, I don't know if you could just kind of wish that this problem's going to go away because he kind of needs to play like this to get the most out of himself. Like he's like J.R. Smith to me. He's like a volume shooter. Like, yes, in theory, like J.R. Smith would be a smart player who took good shots and he's very talented. But that's what Sam Howell is. It's in his nature to take these sacks. He was pressured 10 times, by the way, today. Ten times. And he took five sacks. He took five sacks. You have him right now. You have Sam Howell 29th in your quarterback rankings, which I encourage everyone to check out.

Your quarterback rings are freaking awesome. It's a go-to resource for me. I think they're fantastic. You have him 29th on your latest rendition. Go check him out on the ringer.com. Desmond Ritter for you is lower at 32. Talk to me about this game from Desmond Ritter, because this is what I had when I was charting mostly in the first half.

I thought there were some things I liked. And then the second half, missed to Van Jefferson, missed a Cadill-Hodge. I can't do with inaccuracy. I'd rather have Sam Howell thinking he's him than Desmond Ritter where like every time we have we've drawn something up open, cow pitts is open, someone's open downfield,

the office play caller has made a good decision or a good movement to get someone open downfield and it's like legitimately throwing a fucking 12-sided dice out whether or not this thing's going to hit the broad side of the barn. That to me is so much more frustrating than Sam Howell like essentially turning into like someone who thinks he can't be tackled every time like there's pressure. Like, Desmond Ritter, I don't like the luck.

Like, there's like luck. He like, it looks like luck. It legitimately looks like, oh, there's a deep ball. Could it be on the field? No. Oh, damn. It's another time where it's 10 yards off. Yeah, this is the reason why I wasn't super high on him before the draft.

Like, I know he did all the, like, the processing stuff. And that's why like the film guys got all hot and bothered about his stuff at Cincinnati. But you have to make the throws. And that was all over his film at Cincinnati. it's no surprise. And then today, I mean, these, these interceptions are just bad. And he almost threw like three more of them. I do think the Bijon one on the slant. I think that was Robinson. Robinson drifted upfield. He didn't keep his angle. That was kind of a bad route. So I give him a break on that one. But the one in the end zone was just inexcusable. And you're right. He does

miss a lot of throws. I don't know how you get over that. I don't think like it looks like one of those quarterbacks who's always going to be inaccurate. Like it's always going to be him. It's not even like a mechanical thing, really, because he seems like a mechanically sound quarterback. I just think he kind of like overthinks things and gets in his head and he doesn't pull the trigger sometimes. And sometimes he does. It's very inconsistent. But I thought he was the better quarterback today. And by success rate, he was a more consistent quarterback, too. Wow. Without the interceptions, and I know you can't just say without the interceptions, basically what you try to do with Howell. I thought he looked like a quarterback that you could build around,

but then the interceptions happened. And then, like, I mean, this is a recurring theme with him. He just makes losing plays. You have this in the quarterback rankings. It says there's a start for Desmond Ritter. There's a solid NFL starter in there somewhere. I come back to, even if it is, I don't know if I want to find it. Like, I don't know what I, I don't know if I want to do what I have to do to find it.

Do I have to watch this over and over again to find it? Because I'm with you in looking at. some of the mechanics of it, or cleats in the ground, is he, is he pointing his body that way? Because when you look at Mac Jones, like his, his, his like, like, cuby mechanics feel like off. And you're like, oh, that's why he's missing all these throws. Like, he's just like playing off. Whereas Desmond Ritter looks sound, but the ball is not coming there.

So he's going to be, and it's, I know you say he played better, but he lost this game. And I can't, and I feel like a loser for watching him. Desmond Ritter, I think, has to be our first loser of the winner's losers segment. And it's time for winners losers. Desmond Ritter kicks us off. We're going to get to you a few more. Winners losers brought to you by Uber Eats.

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Yeah, let's go with us. Big Lou, my man Big Lou, Lou Anna Rumo. I want to say this. Gino Smith played, this was real quarterbacking now. He was throwing downfield. He was throwing it. He looked good, man. He looked good.

Throw it into tight windows, navigating the pocket. He did throw the pick. The pick was on D.K. Metcalfe. D.K. Metcalf just like inexplicably just stops on the route. I don't know what it was. Like, K.M. Taylor Britt, like, he kind of guessed right on the route. Like, he was playing outside leverage and then jumped inside right before where DK was about to break and DK was like, oh, well, the route's covered, so I might as well

just stop. And the cornerback didn't stop and it was an interception. But outside of that, I thought Gino played really well. I know he took sacks at the end of the game, but that was all big Lou, baby. When you watched the All-22, I mean, he threw the kitchen sink at Gino, like match coverages, different coverage rotations, AA gaps. They're dropping out. They're doing read pressure.

Like all this different stuff. And it's like every play, it's something new. And you could see Gino just kind of, his eyes are going to the right place or like where where his eyes should go based on the initial look. But Lou has an answer for everything. So I thought this game was won by the defense. And we have to talk about this Bengals offense because I know, I know they've won two in a row.

And they scored like 31 points against the Cardinals last week. But this offense has problems still. It's the same problems that they had two weeks ago. I know the winning kind of covers it up, but they're barely throwing downfield. and they're not running the football. And it's all on Joe Burrow to kind of put together these painstaking drives. We saw it at the beginning of the game, but after that it was just nothing.

And the crazy thing is I think Burroughs healthy. There was like a scramble in the third quarter, late in the third quarter, and he ramped it up to like 19 miles per hour. Oh, wow. So he was running. And he had a couple of escapes from the pocket. Like he looked mobile. but still it's the same problems we saw when he was when he wasn't healthy and we were blaming everything on the calf so it's kind of a red flag that he looks good and the results are still bad i want to get to the bangles offense because they only scored 17 points in this game bangles wins 1713 but before we do that i'm going to pour some more praise on my guy big lou which i think i want to pivot the nickname which i know i can't because it's been so ingrained that it is big lou i kind of want to call him large lewis junior because he is a junior it's lewis i don't really

Rumo Jr. Large Lewis Jr. I'm just going to throw that at you. If you like it, you can keep it. If not, we can go back to Big Lou. Here's the stat for you. You'll probably keep this. Gino Smith pressured on 50% of his dropbacks today,

according to PFF. That's the most he's had in a single game all year. Here's a bigger stat. On third and fourth down, he was pressured on 72% of his dropbacks, which is the most of any player this week. Guy was getting torched on these money downs, and Lou is cooking him.

And I was like, oh, Lewis's Dylan, the Blitzes. Lewis throwing five, loose throwing six. No. oftentimes rushing three or four, but Gino gets to top of his drop and he's holding the ball too long

and he's running into pressure and he's trying to extend plays and it's just not there. I really do think on Money Down specifically if you just turn on that tape, you're going to see Lou have a vice grip on Gino. Whereas when you look at the other parts of this game

and where I thought Gino played a lot of, played really well, was specifically early in the game. I think they started the game with what, 11 play, 75-yard touchdown drive. He looked phenomenal coming out. But then after that, I thought the adjustments loom A, but also not just the adjustments,

specifically when he had to dial it up. Third and fourth down, getting pressure on Gino Smith and really turn it down on him. Offensively for the Bengals, opening drive, 13 plays, 69 yards, and a touchdown. I think on that drive, it included a fourth and two that Burrow picked up by doing some hard count. Second drive, seven plays, 73 yards, and a touchdown.

They only scored 17 points in the game. So the rest of the game, hard to figure out. There was a play specifically before the half where Joe Burroughs like scrambling for like six. yards and it ends up turning into nothing. But that was the first player. I was like, oh, looks healthy. And then he had another one where I think he picked up a first down on second and five

or third and five or whatever it was where like, okay, maybe this thing's okay. What I'm concerned with, and what I'm interested in talking to you about, Joe Burroughs average time to throw, I think, is the facets it's ever been through the first six weeks of his career. This game, 2.36 seconds, which is one of the fastest of any quarterbacks on the week. His average for the season, I think is 2.2 seconds, which is top three or top four among all quarterbacks this year. is this what this offense has to be?

Is this what this offense, what Zach Taylor wants it to be or what Joe Burrow wants it to be? What do you think the input is there? Is that Burroughs saying, I want to get the ball out fast? Is that Zach Taylor saying, I don't trust the offense line, I don't want to get the CAFR?

How much of this is Burrow? How much of this is the injury? And do you see it changing it all? I think like today was Burrow. There were opportunities to push the ball downfield. And he took like, they were, they're running like high, low concepts where they read a defendant.

and if he like drifts back, you throw the low option. If he comes up, you throw the high option. And the high option was there a couple of times throughout the day and Burrow threw it underneath anyway. And it's because he was trying to get rid of the ball quickly. I think Burrow, I don't know. I know he looks fine, but it seems like he doesn't want to take hits or something. I don't know what it is, but he's throwing that ball really quickly, like you said.

And he's not even giving the downfield routes, those high options, a chance to even develop. So I don't know. it's a tough thing. And like another stat for Big Lou. I have one more Big Lou stat. Or large Lido Smith. Gino Smith completed 73% of his passes.

His expected completion percentage though was 58.5. So even like when it was looking good early on for the Seahawks offense, it was just Gino like throwing these dimes into tight windows. Even then it was tough. I think they're in good hands as long as they have this defense playing like it is. I do think the offense, we're starting to see Jamar Chay. make a few more plays. I think if you can get T. Higgins involved a little bit more, I know he's been hurt this

year. I think the offense can be good enough. If this defense can play, I would say, like, close to a top 10 level, I think they can get by, but they are winning games. They're still 500 and it hasn't looked good at all on offense. They haven't had a game where they had a success rate over 50% this year. Wow. I think that one of the best victory lapsed, I think you can be a game.

run every week if you want is your call on Gino Smith before last season because right now you have him seventh in your quarterback rankings I turn on this game and you were texting me you're like is Gino as good as bro like are we seeing like an even quarterback duel and like there were times where you have to kind of say yeah multiple times when you're charting this game you're like dime bucket bucket drop to lock it bucket there's that one later in the game to DKMecalf that was a seed you're and time and time again every single week it's becoming expected it's becoming that Gino Smith is going to be this kind of quarterback with the accuracy and the ability

to layer at the second and third levels of the football field. I do not find myself having questions about Gino Smith's accuracy. I do not even find myself having questions with his decision making. I do think that in this game specifically, he got thrown some gas from Big Lute, like third and fourth down. It's like, dude, sometimes you've got to tip your cap, man.

Sometimes you really do. Got to tip your cap. Two more winners, two more losers. And then we'll get out of here. Before we do that, let's get to a break. I want to go back-to-back winners here, Steve, And I want to go to the London game. London. I don't have a good London accent.

I don't have a good any accent. Anyway, Lamar Jackson played in London. Tennessee Titans. I don't like that the NFL does this. Technically a home game for the Tennessee Titans. It's like, do you expect, what the fuck are you saying? Do you expect Tennessee to make the trip more than Baltimore? He's like, but there's more purple here.

I will say Rich Eisen, fantastic play-by-play. Kurt Warner, fantastic color. I wish they called more games. They only really call those London ones the last two weeks. Getting sidetracked, Ravens win this game 24-16 in London. I thought the opening of this game, Lamar Jackson was on for a burger. Dude, he opened, I think it was like seven for seven

or nine for nine to like eight different receivers. He was cooking in this game. But in the red zone, high red zone, low red zone, couldn't finish drives. Justin Tucker ends up going six for six in field goals in this game that helps him win this one 2416. Like I said, defensively,

Malik Willis had to get in this game. And still, I did not feel super confident in this Baltimore Ravens defense, limiting the Tennessee Titans. I think there was a point in the broadcast where Rich Eisen said, yeah, they told me that They want to stop Derek Henry in his either third or fourth step.

I'm like, dude, when we're talking about Derek Henry, like the fucking juggernaut from X-Men, I don't know. I don't know if we should be giving him that kind of lore, okay? Like, we just got to stop him before he hits fourth gear. No! And then he's like in the wildcat just torturing us. Anyway, I thought it was kind of sloppy, offensively, specifically in the red zone from the Ravens. I want to know why you feel like that is.

And then defensively, I know you're a Mike McDonald guy, but this is a game that I expected them to come in and just like legitimately shut the Titans down. I know they only scored 16 points, but I never felt like they had a vice grip over this offense like they could have. I will say this about, this is by Mike McDonald defense, is that 13 of the 16 points were scored on drives that were extended by penalties. Fair. Okay. So I think if you clean that up, and it has like, I don't know, the Ravens just haven't, we haven't seen their top game yet. Maybe you could say against Cincinnati, but even that, they kind of took their foot off the gas late. But the bones are there, right?

you could see the bones of them being a very, very good team. And Lamar, I know the stats don't show it, but I mean, Lamar for MVP, can we talk? Can we talk about that? I'm here for it, dude. I'm here for it. I'm legitimately here for it. I thought Lamar Jackson looked phenomenal in this game. I have in my notes here, lovely little seed to Save Flowers, 14 yards on first down.

You remember that play? It's first down. First and 10. No, we're not calling an early down run. No, it's a like, I think it was a blazeout. Couldn't really tell off the broadcast film, but like, say Flowers gets create separation. it's a far route, 14 yards, on first down. This is the kind of stuff from the pocket.

Lamar Jackson can do all day. And then I also have this in my notes. Gus Edwards, Gus Edwards, Lamar run, all on first and goal from the seven. And they're not getting in. Like, I don't know what it is about the red zone stuff that is inefficient. I don't know what that is, but what I did pick up,

running the ball with a running back. So running back carries. Their negative 0.18 EPA per rush, which is 18th worst. That was this week in week. They're 17th on the season. Last year they were top 12. And then you'll get specifically early downs.

And I want you to dig into this. Why is this happening? Early down success rate with running backs for the Baltimore Ravens. This year is 25th. Last year it was fifth. In this game, in the second half, specifically, 22% success rate running the ball with either Gus Edwards or Justice Hill. They're not winning.

They're not creating explosives. They're not having success running the football when it's not Lamar Jackson. And I think my perception of it is, one, they lost J.K. Dobbins in week one, right? Like, they lost their top back in week one. Two, Todd Monkin, and they talk about this, I feel like on every single broadcast with the Ravens, does not want to run Lamar every single time. He does not want to run Lamar every single time. So he's trying to create some Gus Edwards love. He's trying to create some Justice Hill love and it's just not working. Is that part of the red zone inefficiencies? Is that just more overall inefficiencies? How much does that side into your look at this Ravens offense? I have to look into it more, but I think, like, based on feel, and I've watched, I watch them every week, it feels like they've replaced a lot of those, like, read option plays where Lamar has a chance to, like, pull the ball and run it with RPO's. So now the option is either the running back gets it or Lamar throws it to one of these receivers, and it is taking the ball out of Lamar's hands a little bit more. And I do think it makes defending the run a little bit easier if you are an opponent. You don't have to worry about doing all this stuff with your run fits. to stop Lamar Jackson. Like, yes, if you, if you don't put numbers out there, you give up a screen pass to

Zay Jones. Like, I'm fine with that. If I'm them, I'm fine with like Rashad Bateman getting the ball, two yards behind the line of scrimmage. But if it's Lamar Jackson kind of like going out the back door, like, we're in hell. Like, we're dead. We're not to be able to survive. And I think you're making things easier on the defense.

And I know there is like a balance with Lamar because the running stuff is just so good. It's so hard to ignore that, but he's so good at passing now that you don't need to play that style to have a viable offense with them. But I do think at the red zone, they're just getting, I don't know. I was going to say they're getting too cute, but I don't think it's that. They're just running the ball a little bit too much. Like you have Lamar put it in his hands. Today it was like 66% run on early downs once they got into the red zone. And they were averaging like minus 0.2 EPA per play on runs.

like 0.5 EPA per play on passes. And still it's 66% run on early down. So I don't know. I just think you make it hard on Lamar if it's like run, run. And then on third down, yes, bail us out. Yeah, it's literally what happened on first and goal on seven. It just feels like his margin for error this season has just been so small. Like if he just messes up once, they score 16 points instead of scoring 30.

Were we not saying this last year? Were we not saying this margin for error with him last year? But it looks different. I mean, it looks different. Like you see the past. the progress as a passer, they finally put him in an offense that allows him to look like this. It's always been in there, but he's finally being able to do that. I think once it starts to click and once Munkin finds the right dials to turn,

I think we're not going to be asking these questions. But at the same time, I do think we, and I mean we, like people, like me and you probably overrated Todd Munkin just because he wasn't Greg Roman. He's a good press conference. He's got good quotes. So he had that whole thing about like we passed to score bullshit like that. It's got the analytics people juiced. But I feel like we're kind of overrating him just because he like runs a normal passing game.

And we're like, whoa, this is crazy. This is high tech because it's not Greg Roman's offense. But like really he's probably a replacement level offense coordinator. Here's a take. Lamar Jackson for MVP. We're probably alone barking up that tree. I'll say this. Lamar Jackson has been better than Todd Mocken.

He's been better than Todd Mocken. And you see some of the throws he was making early in this game. alternating arm angles, some pump fix here and there. Like, oh, man, I'm like, he's doing things that we have not seen him do even in his MVP season. There was obviously the play. It was the third and three. I think it was in the red zone. They still end up with the field goal.

But where he, like, it's Rich Eisen calls him Houdini on this play where he just, like, makes 14 people miss. There's only 11 people in the field. He finds a way and gets a first down. I'm like, man, it comes back to that stuff at the top with Josh Allen. It's like, man, do I want to find the starting quarterback that's in Desmond Ritter? or do I need to go find one of these guys, dude? Do I need to just go find one of these guys? I feel like on that Lamar play too.

He like never went faster than like five miles per hour. He was just like walking around them. It was insane. He's like in such control of it. He just, you know what it is? It's like that the quick silver scene from like days of future past. Yeah.

Like everyone's going slow. A lot of X-Men references on this. That's right. No, on the Tennessee side, a couple of notes here. Ryan Stonehouse, punter for Tennessee. I think he got up to like 19 miles per hour

tackling a kick returner for the Baltimore Ravens. I think it was Devin Dubernate. Who's supposed to be a speedster out of Texas. Ryan Stonehouse makes a tackle, and because of the Ravens Red Zone woes, ends up saving a touchdown. The other note I had here, and I sent you this, I'm ready to say goodbye.

I'm ready to say goodbye to Ryan Tannehill. I'm done. I'm done. His EPA for dropback on non-play action dropbacks this year is 31st. The only player worse is Daniel Jones. His EPA for Dropback when he's doing play action. I'm pretty sure his top 10. That's what I have here.

It's top 10 in the league. He's a play action merchant that's losing his arm. He's a year older than Russell Wilson. I don't think we're saying the same things that people are saying about Russell Wilson. It's like, oh, he's kind of like doesn't have the same athletic or the same like juice in the arm that he used to. I don't see it with Ryan Tannelhill anymore.

He doesn't have a $250 million contract. Of course, we're not saying about Ryan Tannenhill. True, true, but I'm saying not about like, oh, like, Russ, I'm more about. You want to turn off the heat on Ryan Tannahill? Like people aren't talking about Ryan Tanna. Okay. There's a Manuel Acho talking about.

No, but there are people, there are people in Jets' jerseys with Jets tattoos. We're like, dude, we get Ryan Tannhill. We're a playoff team. I don't think so. I really don't think so. Tannan Hill doesn't have it anymore. He doesn't. The best plays.

He's better than Zach Wilson, though. I got a question for you based on this game. You put Sam Howell and Malik Willis in a sack off who wins. Okay. I think Malik Willis gets sacked less. so Sam Howell wins. Because I think Malik Willis can say he's him more and actually has the athletic ability

to get out some of these things. I think you even saw it in this game. Sam Howell, every single time, and I know he had that one where he scrambled for like four yards or whatever. But pretty much every single time, he tucks the ball or drops his eyes. Dude's getting sacked.

Like, dude's getting sacked. Like it happens every single time. I wish there was a way to turn on the film and you watch all of his sacks. You're like, dude, do you see what you're doing every single time? You got to fucking chill and you got to stop because this isn't working for us.

You're literally on pace for 20 more sacks than the record. People, I talk about coach speak in the locker rooms. I was talking about if you're useless, you're useless, whatever. Is that too much to ask? Pull up PFF Ultimate. Watch all your sacks. And then be like, dude, you're on pace for 20 more than the expansion team. You need to chill.

I don't understand. How does that not get through to him? Anyway, I want to get to another winner. You said you had, the winner for that one was Lamar Jackson. Winner, you said you had a winner for this Dolphins game. Dolphins were favored by 13.5. Dolphins win 42221 over the Carolina Panthers at home. Started off this game down 14-0. People, Twitter aggregators were like, oh, here we are. Screenshot of a box score. Kill me. Just kidding. Dolphins win 4221. Dolphins look as good as they always look. Tyree Kill,

Rih Moster putting up 40 plus points. Who's your winner from this game outside of everyone in Miami? Yeah, everyone in Miami, the whole offense. I think it was very easy when it was 14-0 to be like the dolphins. We saw this two weeks ago against the bills. They didn't show up. They're frauds. They're going to fall off again. And then just decimated Carolina from that point on. I think when it was 14 to 14, I slacked you and I was like, this game's over.

They're going to win by three possessions now. And that's what happened. And like, I think we got to put Tyreek Hill in the MVP conversation, man. Like, this is different. No one moves like this guy. There is a play. They keep running this play where they run them on that little cheap motion or whatever you call it. and he runs a dig off of it.

And it's basically like he's running the route from the backfield. Like you know how like the Rams were putting Cooper Cup in the backfield? And obviously the 49ers do it with Debo. Yeah, yeah. That's basically what they're doing, but it's with motion. And he's getting like 15 yards down field in three seconds from the backfield. It's like impossible to cover. And like Tua just has to throw it over the middle of the field.

And it's like a 25-yard catch every time. He had six catches for 163 yards and a touch. down, guys averaging over 10 yards a catch. That doesn't make sense. I'm not even over 10 yards. I'm not even doing the math right. I can't even do the math. I don't even know what that math is.

He's doing crazy things. He's doing crazy things. He's breaking math. He's breaking math. And like Rahim Moster too. Like, might be Daniel. I tweeted this last week. It's like he just shoots these guys out of a cannon.

He just points in a direction. And like the fastest guy on the field, he just shoots him out of a cannon. And they just run in a straight line and the defense can't stop it. And the run game was fine without A-Chane out there. It didn't matter. They didn't miss a beat. And Tyreek kind of went off to the sideline with, I think it was an ankle or hamstring injury after that long play I was just talking about.

Didn't matter. They kept moving the ball. Mike White comes in. It doesn't matter. They keep moving the ball. I know Mike White threw a terrible pick six, but beyond that, they were still running the ball effectively with him in there. I don't think, like, I know that Bill's game still happen and it's still fresh in our

minds. But I think this is the best. team in the AFCE still. I'm still saying it. I'm not here to disagree with you. I'm not here to disagree with you. I think, you know how there's that broadcaster cliche of this offense can score in a hurry?

You know, I feel like that's a common thing. I think every year there's an offense. They can score in a hurry. I honestly feel like this Dolphins team is the only team that can actually score in her. You can count on them every single week. They can score in 10 seconds. They can literally score in 10 seconds.

I love that I said Tyree Kil broke math, by the way. It was literally just dividing 100. six to three by six. The actual number for that is 27.1 yards. He's averaging 27.1 yards every time he catches the football. Rahim Mosernered in this game, I think had three freaking touchdowns. This is his second game this year with, no, no, just two touchdowns. No, he had three. Three touchdowns in this game, one receiving, two rushing, had 17 carries for 115 yards. This offense is absurd. Any takeaways to be had with Bryce Young. Some people are calling him B. I don't know if you've seen the nickname kind of floating around B.Y. But anyway, what's your take, any, any, any, anything you can

actually take away from this Panthers offense? That's another guy. He doesn't get a nickname either. And speak, oh, yeah, I thought of this. I meant to say it, but you were talking and I didn't want to interrupt you. But I figured out what we can do with Wink Martindale's nickname. We just give it a big Lou. Oh, that's good. Now Wink Loo.

Anirumo. Wink Aniromo. That's fair. Only one defense coordinator in the league can get the wink. Only one. That actually makes sense. It's like a crown or something. I don't know.

I like that. I think that makes a lot of sense. This is probably B-Wise, if we're going to call him that, if we're going to actually do that. That was probably his best game. But there were a couple of plays where, man, he just looks small. I don't know. I know Panthers fans are probably tired of me saying this, but it just happens a couple

times per game. It's like he's playing battleship. Like he doesn't really see where he's throwing the ball sometimes. He just lobbing it up over the wall and hoping it goes to someone. But an encouraging game. He completed a couple passes. And there were like there were legitimately some nice throws on some crossing routes over the middle into tight windows.

Still, down to down, it looks a little rough. We still haven't seen that game. We haven't had that one game where it's like, Panthers fans can be like, all right, here's something we could build on. I think we talk a lot about margin for error for offenses, and I think you use oftentimes like meat on the bone for an offense or for a defense.

The margin for error for Bryce Young is so small, like so small. And that to me, I feel like it makes it hard to evaluate him with the supporting cast that he has. He's making Adam Thiel and look like he's 20 years old again. But like I, I, I, also feel that even in the best case scenarios, it's hard to imagine we're talking about Bryce Young. This is the first overall pick, right?

I'm not being a dick. It's hard to imagine we're talking about a Bryce Young in the same sentence that we're talking about Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes, which like, I already can hear the people. Not everyone's Mahomes. Not everyone's Josh Allen. Shut up. In my opinion, if you want to consistently compete for Super Bowls, which I think is the

rule, that's what you're trying to do in the league. It's not to win a Super Bowl. if you want to win a Super Bowl, you can have Nick Foles. It's to consistently compete for Super Bowls in this league. You need to have either an officer play caller that's literally revolutionizing the game, Michael McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan, maybe even others, or you need to have a quarterback that can do what some of these guys can do. Some of these guys are at the top of your list every single week.

When you look at Josh Allen, Patchma Holmes, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, these guys that legitimately, when things aren't going well, when that margin of error is toast, can do things that other guys can. It's just hard, and I know it's early. And I know the supporting castes are, it's hard to evaluate, but it's hard to look even a year or two or three years in the future and say Bryce Young's that guy. Bryce Young is someone who's a top six, top eight quarterback in this league. And you can't really say the Panthers didn't have a chance to grab one of those types of guys because Anthony Richardson was in the draft.

And he's very clearly has the physical ability to be one of those guys. And then the other thing you could say is they traded DJ Moore and possibly Caleb Williams or Drake May, two more guys that might be one of those. those guys to draft this 5-11 quarterback. So the Panthers did pass up on the opportunity to find one of those guys potentially. And they did it twice. If they give Caleb Williams to the Bears or if they give the number of normal ball pick to the Bears and the Bears traded or whatever, that will be hard to swallow. That's a pill that. I don't know if you ever do swallow that. It's as big as Bryce Young. All right. Loser, last loser, no, two more losers. I got a surprise loser for you at the end. I had to throw you some surprises coming off the bench for Noroprinsiaity.

My loser, actual loser, not a surprise. You know about this one. Bill Belichick. I haven't been on a lot of ringer NFL pods. I was on Bill's pod last week. I maybe touched and go with a couple other pods. But I know the pod network across the board. Ryan Rusillo, Bill Simmons, ringer NFL.

Doesn't matter. Fancy football show. Are all talking about Bill Belichick. They're all talking about, is this it? Is this it? Is this end? Give me my chance. Give me my chance to cook here. Let's hear it then.

Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick goes to Las Vegas to take on Josh McDaniels. if you don't know that Josh McDaniels used to coach for Bill Belichick. Who's quarterbacking for the Las Vegas Raiders? It's Jimmy Garoppel who used to be a quarterback on the Patriots with Bill Belichick. Who's the backup who ends up having to come into this game at halftime? Because Jimmy G gets hurt again. Brian Horr, another Patriots quarterback.

Doug Kide of the Boston Herald squeated this out. He said, I've covered a lot of games. I don't think I've seen so many people like shaking hands with each other. Danny Amidola is like an assistant coach on the Raiders shaking hands with pay. This was just like legitimately Bill seeing all of his old friends. and he loses this game to a backup quarterback, Brian Hoyer, who's like, I don't know if you rank him next week, but man, he's low. Raiders win 21-17.

Mac Jones looks bad again. The defense doesn't have it. The offense doesn't have it. And this is where I want to start. Yes, there was a chance at the end of this game for Mac Jones to win it, right? You had Devante Parker, I think, had that ball fall right through his hands, where I think if he catches that, honestly, they set up a game-winning field goal, maybe to win this one. I don't even get to go on this rant.

Or maybe not a game-winning field goal. No, yeah, maybe it was a game-winning field goal because it was. It was the safety that Mad Max, Mads Crosby, had, and they ended up pushing this one to 2117. But it was 1917 when Mack Jones was dropping back, making plays. Devante Parker drops this one. A bold reporter at the press conference for Bill. It's like, ah, man, Devante stuttering.

Not because it's his fault. Okay, he's stuttering because Bill is an intimidating person who legitimately gives like one word answers to every single thing they ask. But he's like, hey, Devante said that touched his fingertips. Did you see it? What did you think of that? I'm going to pull it back a little bit. What do you want him to say that?

Yeah, he should have caught it. It sucked it. But anyway, he's like, Bill literally looks at him. He's like, it was on the other side of the field. Literally doesn't even say he didn't see it. He's like, it was on the other side of the field. You should know that I didn't see it. Blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, Bill Belchek's completely pissed. And here's my rant on Bill. This is by far, and I know he just came off, the two biggest losses of his fucking career. This third loss is the lowest point of his coaching career. This is, I think, is either 48th. their 49th season coaching. That includes assistant coaching. This is the lowest point of his coaching career. I don't think he'd argue that. He just lost to a combination of Jimmy Garapolo,

Brian Hoyer, and Josh McDaniels after losing by 30 plus points in back-to-back games with his son and his other son on the coaching staff as well. To me, this is the lowest point. And now, how did we get here? People will say, Bill Belichick to GM. How you? How you? you drafting Col Strange in the first round? Some of these decisions you've made at building this roster, all that free agency money you spent in 2020, what were you doing? Yes, bad GM, especially over the last three years trying to rebuild a team or build up a team that was replacing a Hall of Famer, bona fide starter and Tom Brady. He's made some bad decisions there. Not more bad than other GMs have made in this league. Where he's really, really, in my opinion,

failed is in the hiring of coaches. Because it's not, it's not just about the nepotism. It's not just about Steve Belichick and Brian Belichick coach on this team. It's not just about Jared Mayo and Darren Mayo coach on this team. It's honestly, why does he keep bringing these people back? Like Bill O'Brien leaves and comes back and like Matt Patricia left and comes back. Like doing this reclamation project to try and build something new and try and innovate when the best in the league, Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan, Ben Johnson, Bobby Sloat, the best in the league, guys who are calling the best office in the league are constantly innovating, constantly looking for new things. Why are you going back to the well? That to me is. It's a lot of

is a bigger flaw in what Belichick has specifically done in the last three years and trying to rebuild back after Tom Brady than any GM decision, especially any head coaching decision because what he's doing as a coach and what he does is a defensive mind will never be doubted. I truly feel where he's fell behind is by staying behind, specifically with the coaches that he's hired and not looking for innovators at those key positions.

Do you have a take on what has led to his downfall? Because I know you don't disagree that this is his lowest moment, But what is the biggest Achilles heel here for Bill Belichick? What is his biggest, what is the biggest con of this, of this play here? I mean, my instinct is just to blame it all on Mac Jones and the Mac Jones pick. I think that's the foundation of it all, honestly. But no, I agree with you. I do think that's the problem.

And that's something we celebrated Belichick for. It was like being willing to adapt and to change with the times. And when you have, and maybe he's still open like that. he's still open to change, but when you're hiring guys from your own coaching tree all the time, it does get a little incestuous almost. Like you're not, you don't have new ideas. And I think some of the better coaches around the league, like, I think like McVeigh going outside of his tree to hire Brandon Staley was like a great example of a coach, like thinking

outside of the box. That's not a hire you would expect from Bill Belichick, some guy that he has no experience with, never coached with him before. And the only reason McVeigh hires him is because Vic Fangio's defense was just like giving or putting Jared golf in hell whenever they played him. When's the last night Belichick made a move like that?

I don't think ever. I don't, I can't remember one. I literally don't think ever. And he's been able to get away with it because he's had one of the most successful people were arguing that. Mahomes is better, whatever. The best or most successful quarterback of all time in Tom Brady. And I think it has absolved a lot of sins. And Ben Solac wrote this, I think, in the hot read last week

his Monday column. And he talks about how with the Patriots, they've been able to get away with on the defensive side of the ball, making players better and coaching players up. Offensively, that's not, like, they tried that. They've tried bringing in Jonu Smith, Mike Gassicki, Hunter Henry, like, Kendrick Bourne, all these different people,

Nelson Aguilar, like they've tried to take the discount approach to offense, and that just has it, it has not work at all. And obviously, because, the biggest reason that doesn't work is because you don't have Tom Brady elevating the offense. I think there are other reasons that doesn't work either. Like having Matt Patricia, who was a defense coordinator, would be your office coordinator last year. And then this year, like, okay, we can't do that. I'll bring back Bill O'Brien. It's like, that to me is not enough. That is not enough in a league where everyone else is hiring

new and making play. So he's going to bring back Charlie Weiss next year. He's going to have his Romeo Cornell still available. Here comes Charlie Weiss. You're going to have him run the offense. Look who's coming out of the tunnel. It's Charlie Weiss. Anyway, last thing on Bill Belichick, how do you think this ends? I know the range of outcomes. Here's the range of outcomes.

Can I outlay it? There's range of outcomes. From the far left of it, you get fired tomorrow. That, I know it's not happening. That's a far left of it. Craft comes out and says, I'm firing Bill and Steve and Brian. Everyone else can stay. Like literally just Belichick fucking house cleans.

The other side of it is here for another like, you know, until he retires. That's like the maximum window. There's a middle range of outcomes where they part ways. or he's fired after the season. I've also floated around, like if Sean Payton's getting a first and second round pickback, does Bill Belichick have trade value? I don't know how trade value works with coaches,

but does Bill Belichick have trade value? How do you think this ends up? And what do you think the best case scenario for the Pats is? I think Belichick, I think he definitely has trade value. Like, I don't know how it ends. It ends sad, though, right? Like, that's the only thing I could say for sure. It's going to be sad as hell.

But I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves on his own. accord after this year. Like, it's getting really depressing right now. So I wouldn't be surprised if this is like the last year out of nowhere. But like he is chasing the wins record. And I would imagine New England, Robert Kraft wants him to break it here. I would imagine he would want to break it here just for the historical significance. He is someone that like cares about NFL history and football history a lot.

So that's like the only reason I'm not going to say that he'll leave after this year. But like if you're the Cowboys and you move on from Mike McCorme. Parthie this year, are you're the Chargers and you're moving on from Brandon Staley? I would think about giving up a first round pick for the greatest coach that's ever lived. Do you do that and say you can't bring your sons? Because you know what you're getting, right? That's what I'm saying. Like, you know what you're getting.

It's like, oh, yeah, we're trading a first round pick for you. And it's like, sweet. I got Steve. I got Bill. Gerard Mayo's coming. Doran Mayo's coming. You cool with Bill O'Brien's roaster. Like, it would be like very much on a contingency.

It's like, hey, Bill, we're bringing you in. But you're going to have to kind of make some place here. I can't have a fucking full laundry list. You've got to let him bring his guys in, man. No, no, you don't have to let him bring his guys in. No, it's like, it's like in like action movies when they recruit the guy and he's like, I got to have my crew. Like, he's got to have his crew, man.

I don't care. That Patricia's got to be there in some capacity. It can be the Chargers. It could be the Cowboys. It can be anyone. If I'm trading capital, if I'm trading draft capital, leave Steve at home. Leave Steve at home. You know how Aaron Rogers had the like the list of his buddies that he wanted for jets?

It's the opposite for Belichick. It's like, okay, here's the list of people you can't bring. No, Charlie Weiss, no Romeo Cronnell. Think of how many coaches at the high school, college, NFL level, any level of football, Canadian Football League, would die to interview for slash work for Bill Belchick. The list you could not think of the number.

It is infinite. Yet two of his coaching spots are his sons, two others are Mayo's. One is Bill O'Brien. Like that, to me, is malpractice in a business, right? And you think about it like a business perspective. Imagine just like continuing to go back to the same well over and over and over and over again, no results just makes no sense to me.

You sound like someone's speaking from experience. I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know what I'm saying. What I am saying about Bill is I think the range of outcomes. I don't think he gets fired. Definitely doesn't get fired this season. I don't think he gets fired at the end of the season. If anything, it's a mutually parting ways.

If he is going to chase the wins record, he's going to chase it out somewhere else. And I think that's ultimately what happens. He's coaching somewhere else whether he's traded or it's a mutual part ways or whatever. He's coaching somewhere else next year. What I want to happen and what I think would be happy, I'd love to see Belichick go into like a Dick Leboe era where he's a DC under a coach and a GM that are doing their own thing and he's just cooking

like legitimately for the next 10 years there isn't a defense better. Like it's legitimately the best scheme defense anyone's ever seen and he literally dies on the sideline like a goat. And that to me would be such a cool second wave, right? Because he's always going to be chasing the success that he had with Brady.

He's always going to be chasing these rings and as a head coach and all that stuff. Funny enough, that's probably not coming, right? Like seven rings or six rings, probably not coming. How about you go be Dick Leboe? Even go to college, right? Imagine him going to college. He goes to UMass.

It's going to be the Rutgers DC under Shiana. Yes, yes. Love it. And absolutely love it. And Rutgers ranks first in EPA per play allowed for 10 years straight with every, they're recruiting two stars, lacrosse players. They recruit only lacrosse players defensively and then somehow find a way. That's the best ending.

All right, we got to get off this pod. Let's rip at this last loser. This last loser, I'm throwing a sidewinder at you. People still say sidewinder. The last loser of week six is you, Steve Ruiz. You want to know why? Because like I said at the top, more than a quarter of the league played backup quarterbacks today, which means your quarterback rankings, which I know is your baby,

which I know you love, is going to have to get a little bit longer. Right now the quarterback list is at 34. Might be time to throw Brian Hoyer on that. Tyson Badgant played for the Bears today in a loss against the Vikings. Malik Willis might be getting some run. Gardner Minchew lost again against the Colts, which we got to pour one out for Gardner Manchu. Josh Jobs still playing backup for the Arizona Cardinals.

Who knows? Tyron Taylor could be playing more for the Giants. You have more backup quarterbacks to watch the reason. That's why you're the final loser of the show. Yeah, I'm the biggest loser of the week. Like Brock Purdy played horribly. Jailette Hurst through three interceptions. I should be thriving right now.

My quarterback, I should be feeling really good about them. That's true. And you're right. I feel like shit about it because I'm going to have to write about Brian Hoyer. I'm going to have to have a broad. Ryan Hoyer scouting report. I'm going to have to have Brian Hoyer takes. And I don't know if I'm prepared to do that.

And last year, there was a record in the NFL for quarterback starting. And after this week, it feels like we're on pace to break that record. Yeah, we might be. I picked a horrible time to start quarterback rankings. When I saw Kyle Allen come in today, I literally screamed. I was like, there's no way. There's no way we're going to get Kyle Allen in addition to the rest of this slate of QBs that we have. I had to write about Kyle Allen last year because he got into the,

the quarterback rankings because he played for the Texans. He's the worst quarterback that's ever been in the rankings. Like I, it was like they, like a fan won a contest where they got to come down and play. It didn't look safe. I think he was against the dolphins when he played. It wasn't, it's, it was bad. Thanks to get to our sponsor, Uber Eats. With Uber Eats, you can get groceries, alcohol and everyday essentials in addition to food

from your favorite restaurants. In other words, get almost anything with Uber Eats. Official on-demand delivery partner of the NFL order now. Alcohol in select markets. and 21 plus to order product availability may vary by region. See app for details. I want to end on this because we texted about it back and forth a little bit. Gardner Michu.

Is it time? Is it time? I'm reminded of a quote. I'm reminded of a quote with Gardner Manchu today. It's thanks for the memories, even though they weren't so great. That's fallout boy for you. I honestly feel that's where we're at with Gardner Manchu. It's thanks for the memories, man.

I had a good time. The shorts were cool. This was fun. How he played today, I don't know if I want to see that again. I don't know if I want to see that again. He is not a guy who thinks he's him. I think it's more, he plays every down like it's borrowed time. And honestly, when you play every down like that,

you're going to make so many mistakes. You're like, hey, you're playing next week, my guy. You're not on borrowed time. Anthony Richardson's in a sling. We need you to stay composed so we can play next week and maybe win this game. And every single time he goes out there, he's just gunslinger throwing picks to people's chests.

Like I told you, like every play starts out with him thinking like, wouldn't it be epic if dot, dot, dot, dot. And then it's never, it's not epic anymore, Gardner. The shorts, the jeans shorts just kind of seem fucked up now. Yeah, they do, they do, they do, they do. They absolutely do. I think everything seems fuck. The mullet seems fucked up. All of it seems fucked up.

But Gardner did to us with his aesthetics seems kind of fucked up now. That's going to do it for dual threat, individual threat, single threat with the backup. Austin Gale, Steve Ruiz. Big shout out to our producer, Isaiah. up Belakley additional producer support from our Juno Ramkopol and Connor Nevins. Until next time, until next time I get off the pine and ride up with it. But you know you're going to see North Prince of the audience, Tim Ruiz, back in the seat soon or not. Thanks again.

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