The Ringer NFL Show - Who Should be the Giants Next Head Coach?

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

Daboll's Out! Five Candidates for the Next Giants Head Coach Sheil is joined by The Ringer’s own Danny Heifetz to talk about his Giants firing Brian Daboll. They discuss their feelings on the firing and whether general manager Joe Schoen should’ve been fired as well. Then Sheil throws five names for potential head coaches at Heifetz to see who he thinks should be the next head coach of the Giants. (00:00) Giants fire Daboll (1:47) Joe Schoen (09:37) Whom should they hire? (25:52) The Hurry Up This episode is sponsored by State Farm®️. Don’t settle for just any insurance when there’s State Farm. https://www.statefarm.com/lp/trainer The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Host: Sheil Kapadia Guest: Danny Heifetz Producers: Isaiah Blakely and Cameron Dinwiddie Social: Kiera Givens Production Supervision: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Capadia. We had a coach firing on Monday. The New York Giants ending the Brian Dayball era, but they are sticking with GM Joe Shane. So much to address here. Is this an appealing job? What kind of coach should they be looking for?

Are we sure that Joe Shane should be leading the search? To talk about it all, we've got the Riggers resident Giants fan and expert. We can call them an expert. Danny Hyfitz. I came up with a list of five potential Giants head coaches, didn't tell Highfits before the pod, sprung them on him, and he was absolutely appalled by one of them. He had his own ideas there. So I didn't think my picks were that bad, but you can tell me what you think.

So we'll get to all of it. Let's take a break. We come right back with Danny Hyphitz. This is the Ringer NFL show presented by FanDuel, the best place to bet the NFL all season long. Fan Dulls got it all. same game parley's quick bets for jumping in live and your way so you can build the bet that fits your play and missouri get excited because fan duels coming your way december first download the fandual dot com slash ringer nfl to get started must be 21 plus and present in select states

and 18 plus in dc kentucky and wyoming gambling problem call 1 800 gambler or visit rg dash help dot com. Call 1-88-7-89-77 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. All right, we are back on the ringer NFL show, my friend, Danny Hyfitz is here. I don't mean to only call you when something happens with the Giants Highfits, but the people want to know, how are you feeling today? Brian Dayball out, but I don't want to just know about that. Joe Shane remains the GM of the Giants. What have your emotions been on this festive day for?

some. Festive. I mean, it's, I mean, it's bad, Shield. The Giants are two and eight for the third straight year. The Giants have the, I believe, the Giants and the Jets, both of the worst record in the last 10 years. In the last five years, the Giants are out of the playoffs for basically the

10th time bite before Thanksgiving in the last 11 years. But it's fine. Yeah, I don't know. It's full. Just call me whatever the Giants suck. I get it. It's totally, it's fine. You don't mean to do it.

It just happens to happen all the time. It's fine. It just happens to happen. They've had a newsy season. Here's where I'm Matt Hyvitz. I can't believe they're screwing this up again. They fire Brian Daibald, but then the immediate news comes out

that they're going to keep Joe Shane to hire, help hire their next head coach. I don't understand how they can be this stupid. I mean, there is no clearer example of a team needing to just make a clean break, and they're not doing it. It's like they are a puppy lost in the wilderness. They are 2040 and 1 under Joe Shane.

A couple of their best players on the team were there before he got there, what is he responsible for, you know, hitting on a couple top five, top 10 picks. They screwed up the Daniel Jones contract. They screwed up the Sequin Barclay contract. Why on earth would I want this guy directing my head coaching search? That was my immediate reaction, honestly. So I will quibble with some of the things you said in the middle about the specifics.

But bookend, I agree with you in that Dable and Shane came together from Buffalo, like they're guys, their boys. and you brought them in together because the idea that generally speaking, you need a great GM head coach partnership to be able to work. And if you get less need a Nevis Sean McVeigh, cool. But in reality,

most of the time, unless you get a Shanahan Lynch situation, it's hard for a coach and a GM to come together and work together. Dan Dugan at the Athletic noted that the Giants have done this like two or three other times so they fired the coach,

kept the GM, and the GM never lasts more than two years. It's usually just kind of a bad way to get into the next era. So I agree in the net where probably should clean house. I also just, it's hard for me to just advocate for cleaning house all the time because it's the easiest thing to say fire people, but then you're just a team that keeps firing people and that's also bad.

We can get into some of the specifics with Shane if you want or talk table, whatever. But I see, I'm not going to sit here and argue it's a great idea to keep Shane, but I also, I mean, you don't want to become the Cleveland Browns. Listen, it's one of my coaching rules, though, high fits, is that when you're you hire a coach who is tied to the GM, you sit them down together in a room, and you say, if one of you succeeds, you're both going to succeed. If one of you fails, you both fails. Because then you avoid all the backstabbing and no, it's his fault.

No, the roster's good. No, the roster's not good. No, Daniel Jones, look at what he's doing there. This coach, you avoid all that stuff. And they didn't avoid that because they might have been voiced before, but you saw the headlines. You saw the rumor start circulating last week that it was like, wait a minute, there are reports surfacing here that maybe not both of them will be gone here. I just don't know why. Explain to me why I should have any confidence that Joe Shane after this four-year run is the

right man to help find a new head coach who can lead them into a winning era. I don't think it's that complicated to see why he would keep Shane and get rid of Daible. You can disagree with it. So just to go through individual moves. I mean, yeah, I mean, the Giants have whiffed in a bunch of stuff. Deonti Banks is like maybe the worst cornerback in the NFL that plays every time he's on the field, something goes. wrong. There was a first run pick. Kavon Tibiddle's been underwhelming as the first run pick.

Evan Yell was a disaster as a first run pick. They swapped Julian Love at safety out to Seattle and they drafted Tyler Nubin. He has been very good. I mean, it goes on and on and on. They just can't really fix problems. The offensive line has had Andrew Thomas, who was Dave Gettleman draft pick at left tackle and four guys that

weren't that good for about five years now. The secondary, the cornerbacks haven't been fixed in about five years. The safety's been revolving to where he'll like Xavier McKinney leave. Again, like it just, they let a lot of talent go, the big one obviously being Daniel Jones and Sequin Barclay. I actually don't think those are Joe Shane's fault, really, at all. I don't put either Sequin or Daniel Jones on Joe Shane.

I don't know which of those you're more interested in, but I don't think Seekwon or Daniel Jones are that big. So who is Jones on ownership wanted him? Yeah, I think Daniel, I think that's really simple. Do you remember that part on Hard Knocks where Joe Shane's kids were talking about which quarterback they wanted to replace Daniel Jones with? How did you forget that iconic? Do you think that Joe Shane was coming home from work every day saying, I love Daniel

Jones so much. I just wish we could keep him. Gosh darn it. And his kids were like, nah, no. Joe Shane was probably coming home from work every day talking about this freaking Daniels guy sucks. I want Drake May. He's awesome. I want Jane Daniels. He's awesome. I'll take JJ McCarthy. He's awesome. And his kids all picked different ones. Wanted to replace him. Chris Mara, who is John Mara's, the Giants. There's two families that on the Giants. Mayer is in the Tish's. John Mara is the president. His brother, Chris Mary is in the scouting apartment. That's why the Giants have been bad so long. It's Chris Marrow who runs this, who is like an owner scout running the department thing is Joe Shane's boss.

They're not going to tell you it is, but Chris Mara was in the job interview when Joe Shane interviewed for the job. So if someone's in your job interview, interviewing you and they own the company, do you think they're your boss? I do. So anyway, I think Joe Shane didn't want Daniel Jones. They made the playoffs. In the Buffalo years, when they made the playoffs that first year, they freaking, they blew

the whole thing up anyway. I think Joe Shane wanted to get rid of Daniel Jones and or at least, you know, if they should have done the fifth year option. But anyway, the ownership who scouted him wanted to keep Daniel Jones because he kind of looks like Eli Manning if you squint. So they kept him. And then that's why they didn't fire Joe Shane last year because they can't fire the GM who told them not to sign the guy that they cut. That's the Daniel Jones thing. And that's my hypothesis. I feel that I'm right. The Sequin Barclay thing, people like you, nerd podcasters like you, if the Giants, what would have happened, Shield? What would you have said on this?

Very much more explainable. If the Giants signed Sequin and won five games last year, you would have been like, this is why you don't pay running backs, idiot. How are you times it to tell you? God, I'm so mad at you. No, I wouldn't have, you know, gone on national TV where the owner tells me that, you know, if you do this, if he signs with the Eagles, I'm going to be very upset.

That was also the owner's fault. Why just sign up to be the first one through the door on that freaking show? How did they put them in that situation? Because there's nothing worse as a sports fan that when you think the reason you're losing is because of bad. ownership. And you know, you paint a very interesting picture. And I know there's been reporting on this. So that paints a very troubling picture for whether they're going to be able to pave a path forward here towards success. Because ever since, I mean, since the Tom Coughlin thing,

you know it better than I do. They have done this over and over again. And to your point, they've been bad bad now for a decade. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to take a break. And then I'm going to come back. And I'm going to give you a list of five potential head coaching candidates for the Giants. And you're going to give me a yes, a no, or a maybe. And I really try to get in the head of Giants ownership and think, who would they be looking at here? So let's take a break. We come back. I want to do that. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Having insurance isn't the same as having State Farm. It's like needing the protection of an offensive guard on the football field, but getting an elementary school crossing guard. Sure, they're both guards, but you can

only trust one to keep your quarterback safe when the game is on the line. So don't settle for just any insurance when they're State Farm. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. All right, we're back on the Ringer NFL show. Now, listen, I just want to prepare you. This is a mix of realistic content all over the place with this. So I'm going to go five to one. And each one, I'm going to give you the case.

And I want a yes, a no, or maybe number five. This is what I think will happen or what I would do? No, this is what you, if you were on your Giants group chats and this guy was in the news and they said they might hire this guy, would you be advocating for them or would you be going no way anyone but this guy? The first one, you know, this is coming. Bill Belichick. He's going to be stumping for this job big time. It feels like maybe his only last chance to get in the NFL, the Giants could sell it. Listen, that college, it's the Wild Wild West out there.

with the NIL and the transfer portal. Bill Belichick is an NFL guy. He's still the same guy who coached the Patriots. This is going to work. This is the closing chapter on his storied career. He comes back to New York. He coaches the New York Giants, gets us back on the right path.

How do you feel about that? Yeah, of course. Yes. Yeah, I mean, you said you want a coach in a GM to come together. So Belichick's the coach. Jordan Hudson's the GM. And then they get to run the team together. Lombardi has a weekly spot.

on WFAN, I would imagine. Okay. No, I'm kidding. Obviously. No. Now would you actually feel? No. Even a year ago, I was, I was pretty in on Belichick.

I think the most cynical views of it were obviously correct. So no, I mean, obviously, he's too old. It's just clearly he doesn't have, but he can't stay awake long enough to do it anymore. Okay. We got a no on Bill Belichick. All right. Number four on my list. Cliff Kingsbury.

Okay. So they'll say, you know what? He showed he can build a system around a young dual threat quarter. back and Jaden Daniels, you know, young guy where if it works out, hey, this guy could be a coach for a very long time in New York. He win a little bit. Everybody's excited, handsome guy, good looking, you know, he would be the toasted New York.

Cliff Kingsbury is mentioned as a Giants head coaching candidate. Yes, no, or maybe from high fix. Maybe. I think Cliff Kingsbury is the best quarterback talent evaluator ever. And it's kind of, and I think, yeah, I think that because, I mean, he's just connected to like every quarterback in the NFL. I think that he's so good at evaluating talent that he's actually become like a coach. And I think it's kind of like how John Calipari is really just the best agent,

but he's good enough of being an agent that he promoted himself to being a coach. So he's like John Calapari's a bad coach because he's such a good agent. I think Kingsbury was an overqualified evaluator that became like an underqualified head coach. I also think he's learned a lot in this Washington perspective. I think you have to talk to Cliff Kingsbury. I don't know if I want to hire him, but it would be silly to not talk to Cliff Kingsbury. I see where you're going with this, but by the way,

all the offensive guys that are smart, yeah, if you don't talk to him, you're stupid. Okay, Cliff Kingsbury. Talk to him. It is a weird pool of candidates.

I will say that. Gravely voice, too. Cliff Kingsbury, it's like a really nice voice. It might play well. Yeah, all right. Number three,

this one I could really see. Hi, it's Steve Spagnola. I think, okay, sorry, make the case. No, go ahead.

Go ahead. You're excited. Spagnolo, I think Spagnolo is the epitomemany of a defense coordinator that it's age bias. If Stapagnolo was 44, everyone would be tripping over themselves to hire Steve Spagnolo. And one of the reasons the Chief's dynasty has lingered, to me, the most underrated reason the Chief became a dynasty is because when they tried to kick the bucket on or kick the rock, the can down the road

and trading Tyree Kill for picks, Steve Spagnolo developed all the defensive picks they made in a three-year period and made all of the defensive picks contribute to the defense with a mix of bespoke schemes to every round of the playoffs. He's done such a good job. He happened to be in his mid-60, so no one wants to hire him. People were like, oh, he was bad with the Rams. That was 15 years ago. Mike McDonald's a great coach for the Seahawks. Was he even in college 15 years ago?

Like these guys, like we even if Sean McVeigh was like literally an undergrad when Steve Spagnolo was running the Rams. So I think he's a great candidate. I don't want to hire him because I want an offensive coach. But even, but if the Giants had even not found Jackson Dart yet, I would hire Spagnolo. I think here's the sell job from the giant, because you know how NFL owners work.

When you have someone who fails in a very specific way, they go the opposite way. You know, it's like dating. You have one person who has specific traits and it doesn't work out. And then the next person you date, it's the complete opposite of that. That's how NFL owners operate.

And I feel like with Spags, they would just be like, you know, Daveall was a hot head and, you know, he clashed with assistant coaches. Now he got Spags back. He's buttering up the media. He's still noses.

everybody from his time in New York. He just seems like a genuinely nice guy who everyone likes. He'll get there in the interview and the owners will be like, hey, we kind of like this guy. They'll take them back to the glory years when the Giants were winning Super Bowls and how were they doing it with that pass rush. They say, we've invested so much in this past rush, this defensive line was supposed to be awesome. Why aren't we getting the most out of them?

Hey, Spags can do that. And Spags knows Andy Reed and Spaggs knows different offensive coaches in the NFL. He can come in and say, here's the coordinator. that Andy Reid told me it's going to be the next big thing and has a lot of great ideas. So I'm coming to you with this list of coordinators. Hire me. It's going to work out.

They should interview specs. And he's, to me, he's a B-level candidate. I would hire him over other people. Okay. This next one, I'm interested to hear what you say. Kevin Stefanski, I think as I was going through the coaches who could potentially be fired, he is the one that I think is most likely to get a job right away.

You know, he could come in two times. two-time coach of the year, smart offensive mind. He's just been stuck with that bad Deshawn Watson trade and bad talent in Cleveland. But man, this is a guy, his second stop. He's going to be an excellent head coach if he's got the right infrastructure around it. I mean, definitely. Like, yeah, if Kevin Savansky was fired, if he's able to make the Browns suck, the Brown's ownership and everything there.

If you think the Giants ownership is annoying, like, yeah, Kevin Stifansky, if he got fired, yeah, absolutely. That's an easy one. I would totally take DeFansky. Although there's two other people you're not mentioning that I actually think are really realistic. All right. Well, here's my number one. And then you tell me who I missed.

This is a guy I could just see. I could just see him being the toast of New York. And that's Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. What are you talking? Why? Come on. You're baiting me. What are you talking about? No, why?

I love Marcus Freeman. I have friends here who love Notre Dame, go to Notre Dame, go to Notre Dame. Notre Dame alumni. My college was in a huge football school, so it's fun to vicariously Lutheran. I don't want to. Marcus Freeman's talent, incredibly, like incredibly good looking man who has incredibly. That can't be understated. Great charisma. He's great in a living room. But like, I have seen Notre Dame have 10 people on their defense in their goal line package three weeks in the one month. They couldn't get 11 people on the field at goal line. three different times in a month.

Okay. So like, no, not even a little. Like, that's a new cycle for Stephen A. Smith, and you're above that, and I'm actually a little mad at you. I disagree. He's the one when I was writing down names. What the fuck is he going to bring? Jackson Dart.

I need Jackson Dart to be good. I need Jack. The only thing I care about is Jackson Dart is to be good. And you're bringing me a defensive coach from Notre Dame who sucks. And by the way, are they even ranked? Well, I don't know what they're doing this year. Last year they were pretty good. Yeah, they're not playing well.

They started. Oh, so, Matt, Listen, everybody has a bad ear. Now and that, I think they would look at him and say CEO type head coach. Like, I mean, you can't get over the handsome thing. CEO. You know, a scenario where he's your guy for 10 years, face of your franchise after an era of embarrassment,

would play great in New York, would be good with the media. Wait, so do you, you are- You're doing this narratively. Give me some, what's his offensive plan? We hire Marcus Freeman. Cool, I need a coordinator. He's like, I know guys in college. You missed the biggest name.

Okay. It's Kubiak from the Seahawks. Oh my gosh. Okay. He's the only part of the Shanahan McVeigh tree that I'm like, that guy's the last one left. He's the last apple that hasn't been picked off this tree. He crushed it in New Orleans last week or last year when the car was healthy. Crushed it.

Well, big four. Two weeks. Wow. Yeah. Yes. I've never seen a guy live off of two weeks more than Clint Coobyack. Me too. I thought the same thing.

And then guess what? He goes to Seattle. And guess what? He's doing a great job. What is this? The Austin Gale had this stat. He showed me yesterday where the first 10 weeks of his season, if you just look at passing on first and second down,

Sam, one fifth of Darnold's early down passes have gone 20 plus yards. Explosives, yeah. Second is 2004 Peyton Manning when he set the touchdown record. Like, if you cross-reference that with 10 yards per attempt and a fifth of them explosive, it's just Darnold, Peyton, Manning, O'4 and Kurt Warner, 2000 ramps. Like, Kubi, like, clearly, this is with that offensive line that was unplayable last year. If you talk about the most basic coaching thing of all, which is, can you make the hole greater than the sum of the parts? Has any, what coordinator on any side of the ball has done a better job taking the sum of the parts and creating a greater hole than with what we saw from the Seahawks last year and this year.

And they got rid of D.K. Metcalfe with Sam Donald. I'm like, I want Kubiak with Jackson Dart. Okay. He's done a great job. Now it's a nine-week sample we're talking about here. Let's see our 10-week sample. Let's see how we're feeling two months from now, whether you think that's a stano.

It's not like he has a long body of work that we can call on. Also, I would be concerned with him, the coordinator job different than the head coaching job. I don't know enough about him to know whether he would be good with that. But I understand that. So you want number one priority, get me, and a coach who can maximize my quarterback and my offense. It's first, second, and third.

And I'll throw another name out that I think will be discussed, private. I think the Giants will consider sending a very high draft pick to the Broncos for Sean Peyton. Sean Payton. Sean Payton. I have other trades for you. I think Sean Payton and Denver, there's a lot going on there beneath the hood. And there's more than meets the eye on that situation. And I think there's a chance that even if Denver makes the playoffs that Sean Payton is available.

Is this, does this have to do with Sean Peyton thinking maybe Bow Nix isn't the guy I thought he was or there's more to it than that? there's multiple things speculating multiple things oh i like this hype it's just you know but it's coming in i think the broncos have stuff going on there but the giants it's like the bill parcels giants they're just been chasing that would be a no-brainer Sean Payton's the last parcels guy left he's the last guy of that breed the ownership will love that and also he should be the guy to develop jackson dart he would be good at it okay the Broncos traded a first and a second for Sean Payton and a third. So you're doing that without hesitation, I have some.

I'd see if we could just get a first. But like, we think about it because the 2020, it's a high pick this year, but the 2027 draft is good. So I would consider sending, like, if they could take a first and the second, 2028 and make, like, which I knew was far away, but I don't know.

You can figure out the exact comp, but like, I don't want to give up a first in 2027, but like I would trade. I think picks for coaches is like, honestly, it should be done more. Okay, I agree. So I had two other trades for, Now, one of them I don't think you're going to want to do based on what you've said so far.

Any interest in Mike Tomlin as a head coach? Yeah, I would do. For the Giants. Yes. Yes. Okay. I would like him to have a little willingness to do anything different defensively. But like, I mean, I beggars can't be choosers, man.

You know, comes there, bring some stability. Giant defensive talent with Tomlin is crazy. I would lie. I want his list of offensive coordinator. I almost think it's an Eagle situation where maybe Tomlman's not allowed to hire the offensive coordinator. Yeah. Hired for him.

Okay. And the other guy, and I feel like maybe we've talked about this casualty before, but if this season doesn't go the way the 49ers wanted to go, at some point, there's going to be an end of the road for Kyle Shanahan there, right? Where it's going to be like, all right, maybe San Francisco was his like Philadelphia for Andy Reed, and everyone knows he's a great coach, but it's just, there's been too much there. It's time to move on. What kind of package would you be willing to send to the San Francisco 49ers for Kyle Shanahan? me, Danny Highfits, like if it was actually,

if I actually you, they call you. Merr calls you up, says, man, I've been struggling for a decade. I heard your comments about Sean Payton. That made me call.

But how about, how about Shanahan? If it had to be done and obviously you have to get a longer contract, I would trade three first round picks for Kyle Shannon. Three? Yeah.

Including. No question. 2026, which looks like it's going to be a top five pick. I don't give a shit. Three for, you know, people talk about picks.

It's a player. Yeah. We have a quarterback. So it's a non-quarterback we're going to take. Who cares? It's Kyle Shanahan. Like, this man's been to, what's the number? Five NFC championship games in the last 10 years?

Giants haven't been any. No, they haven't. He's either in the NFC championship or he's out of the playoffs. Draft picks are both the lifeblood of teams. Teams that rise and fall are just the stories of teams that hit the draft picks or not. Teams that have coaches and quarterbacks that either hit their draft picks or don't. And when you hit them, you're good. you don't, you're the Cowboys of the Bengals.

But until you have the coach quarterback, it doesn't matter. I want Kyle Shannon. I would actually give three first-round picks for Kyle Shannon. Amazing. All right, maybe we can make that happen. All right, let's finish with this. Hyphids, is this an appealing job? Make the case because I don't think I was going through. I actually don't think there's going to be a lot of head coach openings.

A hundred percent. I've got Titans. I've got giants. I think Browns and I think Raiders. And then if you want to talk me into a team like the Dolphins, like I don't think there's going to be eight. There's always a surprise. I think there's going to be fewer than. five. So make the case why the Giants would be the most appealing of those.

Jackson Dart, Cam Scada, but Malik neighbors, Andrew Thomas at left tackle, Dexter Lawrence, a defensive tackle, Brian Burns, a defensive end, Abdul Carter, defensive end, Kavon Tibbado if they resign him at pass rusher, Drew Phillips, a cornerback. All those people are 27 years old or younger. So why do they lose so many games if they've got so much talent? Because they've bad coaching. And they need four more offensive linemen and a cornerback. Every team needs cornerbacks. So you need to get there, get better trenches. But like the talent, it's the good job for the Giants. None of these openings have been good for the Giants. This is a great team. This is a great roster. A great roster. Okay. By the standard of teams that are going to be a top five pick and

firing. Yeah, you want to have this team or the Saints. That's true. I am looking at the other teams. Better roster than the Browns, better roster than the Browns, better roster than the Raiders. Jackson Dart looks better than Cam Ward straight up. You have the quarterback and a defensive line. If you can keep him away from the blue tent, which Brian Daibald could not do. Well, I think Brian Daible, we didn't get in any of the Daibald stuff. Brian Daible was one of the reasons he went to the blue tent so much. Yeah. And then Brian Daibald was going into the blue tent himself, which was not a great look to get him out of there.

All right. So we will see the Giants. Listen, the bar is low for the Giants. Like you said, only the Jets have won fewer games over the last 10 years. So if you make the playoffs with the Giants, like everybody's going to be so excited about this football team. Like you said, they might have a quarterback. They've got some talent at premium positions. Wide receiver one, left tackle, defensive tackle, edge.

They probably have a, you know, right now, they're picking third overall in this draft. If they don't have to trade for a coach, they keep that pick. Maybe they're in a good spot. All right. So you're feeling good. You feel like there's a possibility of a brighter future. I never said I'm feeling good, but I would like about DART who said that? I feel good about DART, but like he's hurt.

I would like to feel good. I will feel better when we hire a good coach. You can help Jackson DART. All right. Let's see what happens with the Giants. coaching search. His name is Danny Hypatts. You know where to find him. The Ringer Fantasy show. The Ringer, The Ringer, the Ringer gambling show, just does 700 things at the Ringer. You will have no trouble finding him. Hyfitz, thank you for joining me. I will be right back with

the hurry up. The hurry up is our segment where I give you a take on news in the NFL, and we had one of the weirdest games of the season on Monday night, a 10-7 Eagles win over the Packers. I don't think either team comes away from that game feeling great. They can feel great about their defensive performances, and there was some legit good defense in that game. But for two teams that are supposed to be contenders in the NFC, they have a lot to figure out offensively. For the Packers, this isn't a one-game thing. I mean, they've scored 20 points in their last two games. They've scored two touchdowns on their last 17 possessions. And you look around at the supporting cast without Tucker Kraft and now the offensive line injuries, it's hard to come up with like, what are the

answer is going to be here for Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love. Then you go to the Eagles. This was their worst offensive performance by success rate of the Hertz Siriani era when you look at every regular season game. I mean, they had a buy last week. This was coming out of the buy. That's what it looked like that. That's hard to believe. So you wouldn't even know AJ Brown was on this football team if you watch that game. So that still continues to be an issue. So right now, Eagles are seven and two. they're the one seed. Packers drop all the way down to the seven seed now with these back to back losses against the Panthers and the Eagle. So there's just so much to sort out in the weeks ahead for these contenders, but they're also in very different positions. The Eagles have a little margin for error here with being seven and two. The Packers kind of don't have that same margin for error. So they've got to figure out some solutions really quickly. We'll talk more about the NFC later this week, but just wanted to give a quick take on that Monday night game. All right, thanks to Danny Hyfitz.

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