The Ringer NFL Show - Winners and Losers from the Patriots-Seahawks Season Opener!

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

Sheil, Diante, and Billy get together immediately after the NFL season opener to debate and analyze all the reasons why the Seattle Seahawks were able to grind out a big win over the New England Patriots. They then look ahead to the Rams-49ers matchup in Melbourne, Australia.(00:00) Winners and Losers from the Patriots-Seahawks Season Opener!(3:35) Loser: Drake Maye(9:40) Loser: Josh McDaniels(13:35) Winner: The X-ray machine(18:21) Loser: A.J. Brown(21:37) Winner: Mike Macdonald(26:14) Loser: Los Angeles Rams(31:37) Winners: Brian Fleury and Jadarian Price(35:11) Loser: Romeo Doubs(37:41) Winner: Cooper Kupp(40:12) Loser: Jason Garrett(46:13) Winner: Jaxon Smith-Njigba(47:12) Loser: Mike Vrabel(49:33) A lookahead to Rams-49ers Upgrade Your Performance with Orgain Creatine. Available at Amazon, Costco, Walmart & Whole Foods. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit https://fanduel.com/playwithaplan to learn more about the resources and helplines.Host: Sheil KapadiaGuests: Billy Gil and Diante LeeProducer: Chris SuttonProduction Supervision: Conor Nevins and Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Capadia. We had a football game on Wednesday night. Seahawks coming back from a 10-0 deficit to beat the New England Patriots 13 to 10. We're going to talk about it. We're going to do winners and losers from that game with my friends, Billy Gill and Deonté Lee.

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terms and conditions apply. All right, we are back here on the Ringer NFL show with Deontay Lee and Billy Gill. The three of us were together after the Super Bowl back in February, after the Seahawks put the smackdown on the Patriots. This was a very different game, but the end result is a Seahawks victory. Deontay, football's back here. Are you ready to just let the takes fly? I mean, football is back.

It took us a while, though, you know? football definitely had, you know, a little bit of mucus hanging out the eye for a little bit. You know, it took a little while for us to get rolling. But I'm glad the ball is back. And I think that we finished this game, at least was something pretty exciting and engaging to talk about. Philly, how are we doing? It took a little while. But you're ready now.

That's game one of 272. You predicted all the results of this season. I did. I can remember if you had Seahawks or Patriots for this one. I had the Seahawks on this one. So 1 and 0. I guess. All right.

272 and 0 is still alive. I had a question for you about that shield. Deonti, I don't know if you know this, but I went through, we were doing our predictions for the different divisions and then the playoffs and all that. So what I did is I put it out of the schedule

and I went over every single game and that's how I decided who would have what record. It said it's just arbitrarily looking at a team and saying, oh, that's a team that's going to go, you know, 10 and 7, whatever. I said, let me do the work and do this. But then I didn't take into account, like am I just doing wins and losses

or was I doing the spread? I just did wins and losses here. I think I'm just going to stick to that. Yeah, that's fine. That's good. I think that the exercise of printing out the entire NFL schedule and predicting it alone is sick-old enough behavior to where you don't have to add the layer of picking against the spread.

People didn't really like my results. I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. And I made a copy of it because I could put this in like an Excel sheet, but I didn't. So I was like, let me make a copy so I don't lose it. And then I was going to put it over into an Excel doc. But I haven't found the time because that seems like very time-consuming. And I already wasted so much time doing it. Well, listen, that might be a framer if we go 272 and O.

Really? So just that could be a collector's item. So we're still alive. All right, we're going to do some winners and losers the great way to analyze any football game. Because there was a lot happening here. I mean, you could have stuff on the announcers. You could have stuff on the commercials. You could have stuff that happened in the actual game.

You know what? I'm going to call my own shot because I think we all probably have the same loser here. I mean, this is where we have to start the conversation. Drake May. I mean, Drake May that lacks, actually, I'm not even going to do the analysis. Let's just say, we all have Drake May as our biggest loser. Deontay, you are a Drake May fan. I like Drake May, too. Billy, where are you on Drake May in general before this game? I wasn't sure we were kind of talking about whether or not he had the most to lose this season a couple episodes ago. We were saying which quarterback might look differently this year. And we were talking about maybe it's Drake May because he kind of had that disaster.

So Swords playoff run last year. We kind of attributed it to injuries. And we said, okay, well, he's going to come back healthy. Let's see how it goes. Is he going to make adjustments? Is that the real Drake May that we saw in the regular season last year? Did he benefit from a weaker schedule? And we got off to a bit of a rough start this season, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, Deonté, what's, give me the analysis on Drake, my three interceptions, obviously terrible pick at the end. How do you make sense of what we saw in this football game from him? I think I would say he was not helped by his offensive coordinator very much for the first three quarters. A lot of May's best plays were scrambles, you know, trying to create stuff outside of structure. Then you get to the fourth quarter with the one possession lead and then May lost in the game, right? Like, this is a very, this is not necessarily a bad argument against QB wins being a real stat,

but I think this certainly kind of lays out the case that I make that QB losses is a very real thing and that it is much more likely that your quarterback will cost you a game. than it is that he will win you a game. And I think that's what we saw, right? You're driving, you're at midfield, you get this play action passed. You decide to take this shot down the sideline. You get the Nehemiah Pritchett interception that kind of kicks off the meltdown. And you go back and watch the play. And like, that's one for me as a coach where like you're sitting next to the quarterback

in the meeting room and you're saying, why not just throw the check down? It's second and nine, my friend. Like, let's just get to third and five and see if we can move the chains. I would say the second pick in the middle of the field to Julian Love, that was very, reminiscent of the Super Bowl interception, right, where you're trying to force the ball in the middle of the field. I thought it came out of his hand a little bit funny, and it just floated, and Love was able to get underneath it. And then the last one is, like, the most inexplicable of all. I don't know what the game plan was there with trying to force the ball in a clear

coverage in the corner of the end zone, right? Like, that would be that 99th percentile level throw that you don't need when you're already in field goal range and have a chance to be able to extend this game or maybe get a little bit closer before you take your. shot at a game winning play. So just like layer by layer as the fourth quarter went on, this became less of a, what is Josh McDaniels' offense doing for Drake May

and more of a, why is Drake May doing this in crutch time moments? And are we dealing with a legitimate issue now that is kind of hounded him, I guess, for the last three, four games that we've seen of them going back to last postseason? Yeah, I mean, that last play,

you mentioned the situation is what makes it so inexplicable. You are about to tie at the very worst, you're going into that play being like, all right, if we don't get the first down here, if we don't get a touchdown here, we are kicking a field goal. We're well within

field goal range. We take this thing to overtime. It's us against Drew Locke. We have at very worst, a 50-50 chance to win this game and he just makes an inexplicable throw. I mean, the call Billy, you know, Torrico said it right away. He's like, horrible decision by Drake May. And then I swear,

Chris Collinsworth didn't talk for like 90 seconds after that. He didn't know how to make sense of it. It was a weird play called. I mean, it seemed like we were headed to overtime. It was a given. I think part of why this is such a disappointing performance for Drake May 2 is the Seahawks defense was injured. They had a lot of injuries on their secondary.

And he had a 10-point lead with their backup quarterback. All he really had to do was not throw three interceptions the rest of the way and kind of just eat up clock, have long drive. and they should have won this game, but he kind of played them out of the game. It could be the play calling, it could be in their receptions, but it didn't seem like a game they should have lost,

given all of the advantages they had health-wise in that game. And one of the winners, not that we're going to get to winners yet, but one of the winners was one of the excuses that we had in the Super Bowl, which was Will Campbell. Will Campbell was healthy and Will Campbell look good today, relatively speaking, compared to how he looked in the Super Bowl in the playoffs last year. Yeah, it's, you know, coming out of that Super Bowl,

it was like, are the Patriots a little fraudulent because of the schedule they played? And now they get to the playoffs and their offense looks horrible in four straight games. Or is it as simple as Drake May is playing with an injury, Will Campbell's playing with an injury. They don't have very good wide receivers. And so that's why going into this game at sight, like you said, Billy, the Seahawks go into this game. Nickyman Worry does not play. Their other safety does not play. They lost Rick Wollin in the offseason.

They lost Kobe Bryant in the offseason. These were some new players that they were integrating in this game. Meanwhile, the Patriots come into this game mostly healthy on offense, and they still look terrible. I mean, if you look at the advanced stats, Deontes, just looking at like EPA per drive, the Patriots' worst two games in the last two seasons, the Super Bowl, and tonight, this was that bad. They had nine possessions. They scored one touchdown. They had three turnovers.

They had four punts, and they had one field goal. And even that field goal was because you got the penalty on the punt where you get another chance there on fourth down. So yeah, I don't, you know, obviously we're not going to go completely crazy and overreact here. But I think the story coming out of this game is definitely going to be Drake May in that Patriots offense looking bad once again the first time we see them after that Super Bowl loss. All right, Deontay, what do you give us another winner or loser? What do you have? I will go back to a point I made when you first asked me about my impressions of Drake May, and my loser is going to be Josh McDaniels, right?

I'm, again, trying to figure out what the Patriots offense is doing to make life easier on the 11 players on the field, right? I think going into the Super Bowl last year, we kind of made the point when we were preview on the game out in San Francisco, that New England was very first down, run game heavy, right? And it was ineffective last postseason. Houston absolutely matched him in between the tackles on those early down runs. Obviously, Seattle did the same and forced them into these second and longs. And tonight, 16 first down runs for 49 yards.

You're talking about three yards of pop. Why? Why are you running the football until maybe the best front seven in the league? You can't explain it. And the data would suggest that those are all bad play calls. And this is a defense that you can't afford to just be burning up the most valuable down and distance outside of third and whatever it is. as you're going to be dealing with. First and 10 is just way too valuable against a defense like this for you to play so

conservatively. And I think that putting themselves behind the chains, putting themselves in more obvious passing situations allows Mike McDonald to do exactly what he did in the Super Bowl, which is now, since you've got to go spread to pass the ball to move the chains, they start sending pressure from a million different directions. And I feel for Drake May in a lot of these situations, because he's dropping back, and it looks like there's 13 players on the field, you know, with how quickly there's pressure you know, unblocked pressure getting to him, you know, and even when they were sending four,

their interior alignment was still kind of struggling. I think Elijah Vera Tucker will ultimately be an upgrade. I think that Jared Wilson will ultimately be an upgrade for them, right? But I still, you still watch this game and walk away feeling like they can't control the ball, they can't control the game in between the tackles. And now Drake May has to be a superhero, and we are now on game whatever it is. Like I said, three or four of your young quarterback, maybe showing you that he doesn't need to be playing that way at all times in high leverage situations. I don't know if we walked away, and while I'm not going to catastrophize coming out of week one,

I don't know if we walked away from this game feeling like, hey, Josh McDaniels went, grinded the tape, saw the same opponent he saw that just pantsed him before, and he's got better answers. And these better answers are going to catapult them into, you know, a much, and even better or more balanced or more complete offensive production in 2026. So I am a little concerned. I wrote down the same word, Billy Panced. I feel like I want to start using that more in my podcasting

because that's exactly what happened in the Super Bowl. He got pants and it felt like no one talked about it. It was all about Drake May and Will Campbell and the talent, but it felt like throughout the playoffs, that's what was happening. And it was like, wait, Josh McDaniels, is he giving them an edge anywhere here? And I felt the same way Deonté did, where they're just running it first down, second down.

And towards the end of the game, all right, Remandre Stevenson was picking up a couple first downs, but for like three quarters, they were just wasting those first and second downs. They were running the football. They weren't getting anything going downfield. I know that's how the Seahawks want to play and they want to limit you when doing that. But they didn't have a single completion over 20 yards. It was just that flea flicker with the pass interference. So yeah, I think Josh McDaniels, if you're saying, man, he, you know, he had a press conference, I think last week where he was just like, put it all on me, you know, the Super Bowl performance.

I didn't do a good enough job. You had all off season. And you. scored one touchdown, Billy. I mean, Josh McDaniel's got to be taking some heat here. Well, Drake May was the leading Russia for most of the game. Yeah, he was saving him. Right. He really was. That's not the word I wrote down, though. The word I wrote down that I was excited about, catastrophize.

That's a good word. That's a good word. That's good. Yeah. Depends on the audience. Panced, catastrophize, both very good. Yeah. I have a winner. I feel like that's the show of the different ends of the millennial spectrum Yeah, go ahead, Bill. You got a winner for us?

What do you got? The X-ray machine. The X-ray machine got two high-profile visitors tonight. They got a visit from Sam Darnold and A.J. Brown. And we were saying the story of the game was going to be the Patriots, but the story of the game might be the results of those X-rays because Sam Darnold had to leave and get more tests off-site, which is never great. And A.J. Brown, we're still kind of waiting.

I saw reports that he left in a boot, so we're kind of just in wait. in C mode right now with these injuries. Yeah, I mean, five snaps in. For one of my winners, if the Patriots won was going to be like the Patriots Voodoo. Because I'm like, last year, they just got to play backup quarterbacks in literally half their wins. And then five snaps into the season, Sam Darnold leaves the game. And it just got progressively worse. First, they showed the clip, but he's like, oh, he's lipping a little bit, getting off the field.

And it's like, no, he's going to go to the blue tent. And it's like, no, he's going to the locker room. And then it went from like, it's an ankle. now it might be a leg, hip. And it's like hip. And then they're just like, he's out of the game. And I'm like, what? Sam Darnold is out of the game, which, I mean,

Tianti, that's got to suck. You got to do the whole, all of training cam, you know, you're just waiting to get back out there. And then you get to play five snaps and you're out of the game. So the report I saw was that Adam Schaefter said, Darnold has been at Harborview Medical Center. Wow. A little pop for Harbor View Medical Center.

Yeah, shout out to Harbor View. Yeah. in a big spot. Undergoing a CT scan on his hip, initial test was encouraging, but inconclusive, and Darnold now is scheduled to undergo an MRI on Thursday, Deonte.

So hopefully we get some good news on Sam Darnold. Can I ask you guys a question real quick, and I'm wondering if you experienced this, the same way that I experience is. I feel really bad for the people that were at Harborview waiting to get a CT scan who have been there. They got admitted to the ER, have been waiting hours.

No one is seeing them. Then Sam Darnold just rolls right in, gets CT scan immediately, rolls right out, has the results immediately where like the normal person that fell down, they hurt their back,

whatever, they're waiting their hour upon hour upon hour. Then they have to meet a specialist in two months. Then they schedule them for surgery and surgery is six weeks after that. Then they have like 24 months of recovery where Sam Darnold has his results tonight.

If he has to have surgery, he's going to be scheduled, by Tuesday. He's going to be in and out with the best doctor in America and then he's going to be all healed up and he's going to be playing like four weeks from now. I don't like what's going on in the special treatment these football players get shield.

I love where Billy is at, right? We start off the podcast with this advocacy for physical media, not scanning the schedule or getting uploaded to a spreadsheet that he can look at online and in the public screen against the American health care system. I like where we're heading on the ringer NFL

show. Yeah. I think maybe we break out a little social of Billy commenting on the American healthcare system. I think maybe that's going to do some numbers, Billy. And you can't do it to me this time because normally you say that I'm with like the big, I'm with the man and I'm against a little person. Today I'm going

against the health care system. You can't get me today. See, you can't put him in a box. Billy out here trying to make sure that he lives through the midter, trying to survive through the midterms here. I see what's going on. You know, one day he's supporting billionaire owners, but the next day he's kind of criticizing the health care system. So you don't

know what size. People are complicated. You know, there are different issues. Billy contains multitudes. It contains multitudes. All right. Let's take a break. We come back. I want to get to the other injury you mentioned there because you did mention AJ Brown. We'll get to that injury. We'll get to more winners and losers

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by or gain. Deante, big debut for A.J. Brown, they make the big trade in the offseason. He draws the defensive pass interference penalty, but then third quarter goes down, ankle injury, does not return. And I think what was so glaring is that he kind of saw how much this Patriots offense is really going to need him this year and how he was really slated to be a high volume guy. So that's another one. We got to await some updates on. Adrian Brown's entry. I'm looking here at a tweet from Andrew Callahan right at the Boston

Herald, and I think that his update is that he left the locker room wearing a boot, right? I'm sure, I mean, as we record this, I'm sure that Mike Brable, if he isn't already at a podium, is preparing to go to a podium. So I guess we'll wait and see if we get any information. He gave a no update. Not surprised by that.

Not surprised by that, but I will say, I mean... He says things when he's holding a puppy or child. I mean, the implication alone, just wearing a boot walking out of the locker room for AJ Brown is probably not the greatest sign and the fact that he didn't come back to the sidelines after going into the locker room,

also probably a bit of a concern, right? I think that for him, right, you can't talk, I mean, you're going to talk about frustrating. We mentioned that with Donald, but for him, I can't imagine somebody who walked in a week one feeling like there was more of an opportunity to prove who he still is as a receiver.

This is a team, as you noted, Shield, that absolutely needs his skill set, being able to catch the ball on the move underneath and shake tacklers off or push the ball vertically and beat one-on-one coverage. And maybe the third quarter goes a little bit differently if on that, you know, play action pass that I was talking about where you get an interception thrown, you're targeting number one, right? That might go a little bit differently for the Patriots offense. And if not, even if you're not feeding him the ball, maybe his gravity alone, right, as a vertical stretcher,

as somebody who you can't just leave consistently a one-on-one coverage might have opened some things up. I am a little concerned still about just like what is the next layer going to be for this offense. Clearly, they don't have the most inventive or the most explosive run game. Drake May has now shown this penchant for turning the ball over, right? And this is something that's kind of dogged him throughout his professional career. We just happened to get that flashpoint last season where he really wasn't throwing any interceptions while he was getting all those explosive plays. Maybe we're seeing a little bit of regression and have been, I guess, since the winner in last postseason.

and now that you don't have, well, it's supposed to be your number one man-beater, put the ball out of one-on-one coverage and third downs, and you're going to move the chains with this guy or get a pass interference. If he misses significant amount of time, we're going to have real questions, I think, about how viable this offense is,

or if it's only going to work if Drake May as being a superhero again. Yeah, it kind of reverts to last year's version, really, if A.J. Brown is out for a significant amount of time. So hopefully that's not the case, but we'll get an update on AJ Brown. I've got a win. I'm sure Seahawks fans right now are like, hey, we won the game. You're ripping Drake May.

You're complimenting the X-ray machine. You're commenting on the American healthcare system. What about us? Mike McDonald. I mean, just every, that's a culture win right there. You're down 10-0. Your backup quarterback goes into the game, five snaps in. You have a new offensive coordinator, and you come back and you win the football game.

13 to 10. So I've given the staff before. They had a buy in week 10 of Mike McDonald's first season. Since that buy, they are 24 and 5, and they've only lost by more than four points one time. I just continue to be so impressed by the job he does. Not only, you know, you can talk about the defensive schemes and how I've said before,

I feel like you would give him pretty much any roster in the NFL, and I would feel good about them having a very good defense, but just on top of that, you can kind of see it just in the way they play and in a game where they just are getting all these penalties and you're like, oh, this doesn't look very crisp. They somehow, you look up in the second half and you're like, wait, they actually have a chance to steal this one

and they score 13 unanswered points. So yeah, Billy, Mike McDonald has to be a big winner from this game. The only series that they looked bad once they got rolling was when they had the second and one on the four-yard line and then they had, you know, the delay of game. But that, you know, that was not McDonald. That was Drew Locke. That's sort of felt like the play call was getting in late.

And also Drew Locke was like, I'm the backup. I don't like totally know all these plays. I need to look at my wristband for a while here. Yeah, that's what it felt like it was happening. Right, Deonti, on that stretch? Absolutely. I think, you know, we saw a lot of those late snaps and you can see them peeking at the wristband.

Peek out the wristband again. Look at it one more time. Okay, where is Jackson Smith and Jigba at? because I want to make sure if I'm throwing the ball, I'm throwing the ball to him. Are we set it up for the right run here? Right? I definitely think, you know, clearly a backup quarterback that was not thinking that week one, you know, before we even get 10 minutes into the game,

10 minutes into the first quarter, that he is now going to have to strap up the chin strap and be out there running the offense. But I want to come back to your point about Mike McDonnell because I've just really been thinking since about, you know, after that first interception from Drake May, and when it kind of kind of became clear that Seattle was able to get themselves back in this game and then close it out. I was just thinking about when the last time was that we had a defensive-minded head coach that came into the league and just very instantly as a head coach gave you proof of concept the way that Mike McDonald has.

And I think maybe the closest corollary might be like Jimmy Johnson back in the 90s, right, with Dallas. And even then there was a rocky start, right? You go one at 15 and 89 when you take the gig, you're not really a playoff team in year two. And then after that, obviously, you really kind of get them to take off from 91, 93. you get those championships. But outside of that, I can't think of the last defensive-minded head coach who was able to go step into a job instantly and say, give me these vets that other teams are kind of casting away,

give me these young guys that have these kind of wonky skill sets, people who don't necessarily fit, you know, cleanly into one role or the other. And I will craft the best defense in football and give me Sam Darnold, this very flawed quarterback, and give me clean Kubiak, you know, last year. And now Brian Fleury, these guys who aren't, the highest profile coordinators, it just watched me work. And it is 100% paid off in his time as a head coach. And the fact that he has dominated so many offensive-minded guys

that have either been heralded before or are very well respected now. I think it just speaks volumes to how well-prepared he and his teams have been coming into these games. Yeah, it's well said. I'm just looking at a list of coaches now, and it's hard to find a similar guy. like Sean McDermott comes up when you look at the win-loss percentage, but they weren't winning games because his defense was cooking. They were winning games because they had Josh Allen. Honestly, D'Amico Ryans might be like in a similar...

Maybe the next closest, yeah. Category, yeah, next closest. But it has been a while since a guy has come in and perform like he has just as a defensive play caller like you mentioned and just building that dominant defense and being so good right off the bat. All right, Billy, what do you got? You got another winner or loser for us? Yeah, I got a winner.

I was looking to see what quarterbacks are available. I was just curious. Not winners or losers. This is just my distraction. Seeing like, what do we do out here? Like, who do we get if Sam Darnold is actually injured? Because, I mean, I don't think Drew Locke realistically is a plan for the season. So if this is going to be a long-term thing, what do they do?

Never know. Jimmy Garapolo maybe. I'll keep looking for you guys. So winners and losers, you know, here's a loser. And this is, you might think, how is this related to the game exactly? Okay. Los Angeles Rams, big losers tonight. Angeles Rams, big loser.

All right, give him to show me on this. What do you got? Well, because, you know, it's going to be a back and forth for them to win the division. And you and I, when we did the predictions last week, we had different, you had the Rams, I had the Seahawks, and it's going to come down to a game or two one way or another. And this is a game that the Seahawks should have lost with the way that they was playing out. Like, this is a game. The Patriots should have won.

Seahawks should have lost. The Rams would have been in good shape. They would have been a game up. Now they play tomorrow. I don't know if you saw the pictures of them coming off that plane. They look tired as hell coming off that plane. I didn't see it. Are they there?

Are they in Australia now? They got to Australia today. They got in, I believe, what they said was 7 a.m. local time. And for them to stick to the plan of staying on time, they'd have to go to bed between 3 and 5 p.m. Australian time. So they got in at 7. and they'd have to go to bed for the night, 3 to 5 p.m.

And then I think they'd be up anywhere between midnight and 2 a.m. to get ready for the game. So this plan of theirs while on paper and while the scientists said this was a good idea, I saw them get off the plane. And I got to tell you, McVeigh looked like a man who was regretting the decision when you saw him getting off that plane,

because that's a long flight. And it's not the same, but like, I've done that a couple times going to California where it's like, you know what, I'm going to go in, I'm going to do my thing that I have to do that day. I'll go back the next day.

My body's not going to get used to it. I'll just be up at 3 a.m. I'll go through whatever. It'll be fine. And by like midday, that second day, you're like dragging. And by the third day, you're just waiting to get home

and you're like, you're dead tired. So I'm a little bit concerned about this plan. All right, so they have to stay up for eight hours. So they land at 7 a.m. And they need to go to bed around 3 p.m. So they have to stay up for eight hours. But then they can get a full night.

nights, yeah, night's sleep blackout shades or, are you guys white noise guys when you sleep? No.

No. Are you? Are you? I don't do TV. I don't do white noise. What do the kids call it raw dogging? Yeah,

like I try. What do you, you just lie down and like, do you close your eyes and you just fall asleep right away? Vampire style, baby. That's exactly right.

And that works for you? It hasn't failed me yet. Can you sleep on a plane? Yeah. Actually, I sleep most of the time on a plane. Oh, I'm so jealous. I can't do either of those. He's got the dad's skill.

This is a dad's skill where you're just able to sleep wherever. Like my dad was once, I think it was Legoland, out actually probably by Deonté. And we just looked over and he was asleep on a bench. I'm like, all right, I don't know that you're supposed to be. I respect that deeply. Yeah, he was doing that. That was several years ago. But I do do the white noise, Billy.

And if you have any sleep issues, because we started doing this when the kids were little, you do the white noise for them and then you would be at like a hotel and you're sleeping there with the kids so you're like putting the white noise on and then we just got addicted to the white noise so we got the white noise machine we travel with it and we play it

wherever we are because sometimes if you're at a hotel now and it's like all right people are being noisy around a whatever you got the white noise that blocks it out so I would imagine Rams I would say blackout shades white noise I don't know what else they might be doing here

to try to get to sleep there I saw that they had to send the stuff, like their essential stuff. They had to send it like in a boat in like crates months ago for it to get to Australian time. And then for their actual equipment for the games. Yeah, I think they shipped it over there months ago for it to get their like essential stuff. And then I was reading that like their cleats and stuff like that had to be like deep clean because of, you know, customs or whatever. you can't transport soil into the country. So they had to remove all of the dirt and everything off of the shoes

because it had to go through customs. All of the 80 like crates that they sent over there with stuff had to go through like deep screening. Listen, I understand and Tom sold us on this. This is great expansion for the league. You're going to go out there. Flag football, Olympics, all of that stuff that he told us. But man, this seems like a lot of effort for one game.

Like a lot of effort for a game. I like how anti this. you are. I'm not anti it. No, no, you're doing this again. I don't think you should back down. You're giving very valid reasons for why are they actually doing this because of flag football? Like, is that a good enough reason? In the Olympics

in 2030, whatever, too, or whatever. Like, I don't know. It's a long time. Like, why? As Kyle Shanahan would say, we all, you know, who knows? We might not all be around for those Olympics. Well, I mean, come on, Sheila, you got a car since too soon. Jeez, Louise. Okay. All right.

All right. So that's why you have the Rams as a loser. Yeah, losers. Well, because they could have taken it. They could have taken an advantage here. They could have taken a leap. Or at the very worst case scenario, if they lose tomorrow because this sleep pattern didn't work out, they could have just remained tied at 0-1 each. But now, who knows?

If they lose, they're a game back. Okay. There you go. All right, Deonti, you got a winner or a loser for us? I got some more if you don't have any. I've got a combo winner here because I don't want to separate either of them in this. My winner here is Brian Fleury's run game calls in Jadari. in Price's performance today.

Right? Average like five yards of pop on those first and second down runs. You know, I think that the third down runs when you're just trying to get the ball across the chains ended up kind of being an anchor on his average on the day. But if you're just, you know,

if you're able to, you know, control for early down runs, I think you went like 10 for 49, right? So you're 10 for 48, something to that effect. So a very effective day for him on the ground. I thought that Brian Fleury, you know, for somebody who probably, who also did not expect to be called plays, for his backup quarterback actually seemed to change gears pretty well.

He was still able to feed the ball to Jackson Smith and Jigba in spite of the fact that he didn't have his starting quarterback. So you have a guy in here who doesn't have much rhythm, you know, who wouldn't have much rhythm coming out of training camp with your number one receiver, certainly not as much as your starting quarterback. And you were still able to manufacture those touches. And then Jackson Smith and Jigba was able to get loose, right? Which is really the whole point of their approach to the passing game is if we just

spam these calls to our best receiver, he's such a good route runner, and he's proven himself to be so good after the catch, he'll probably pop one for a big, for a big gain. So I want to give a lot of credit to Brian Fleury and then from an individual basis, I think that what you're Darius showed on the ground, if he's able to consistently deliver that, whether Donald's hurt or not, that is going to be such a good home base, I think, for this offense if they can count on getting four to five yards of pop on those early down runs. For sure, good start for Price. And I'm with you on Flurry. It was like, like, if you look at the numbers, like he had 13 first downs. Let's not, you know,

the Seahawks at 13 first down, let's not go overboard. But if you watch the game, it's like you lose your quarterback. That fourth and one call to JSN was terrific. He scores the touchdown. I thought he started to find a rhythm a little bit in the second half, whereas early on it was like, I don't know if Drew Locke is going to be completing a lot of passes, but then they found some stuff that worked there. Billy, I have an important question for you.

Did you see Brian Flurry like what he looks like on the sideline there tonight? If not to a quick Google search there. Brian Fleur. I was going to say yes, but... Well, because this is important... He has a look of a defensive coordinator, man. That's what I'm saying, do you want to say?

Yeah. He doesn't look like an offensive coordinator. He's bald. He's got a nice beard going on. He's got a great bird. That's a D-line coach, man. I'm not believing it. Yeah.

Does that concern you, Billy, that this is what the offensive coordinator looks like. They're supposed to have, you know, the nice, whatever, the nice hair and be like to... The Mike McDaniel, like the, you know, the flashy, the shoes or the tags on him. the capri pants, basically the sunglasses? I don't think so.

Okay. He can break the mold and be okay. Yeah, why not? Listen, chill. This is 2026. We're going to come out here and just be judging people on their looks. Like, what are we doing right now? Okay.

Is this the podcast you want to be doing? Well, yes. To answer your question. Okay. All right. So Billy says it's okay. But Deonti does agree with me for the record. I got to be honest with you.

I wonder if this is like a Titans coach thing, right? You know, maybe that's it because Dan Campbell, another, you know, got a tight-ins coach guy. Yeah, you're right. I don't know if that whole, like, are you a cop or are you a coach type of look, you know, type of thing that tight-ins coaches seem to have going on. Maybe that's just what it is. So I was watching it on mute because it's late here and I didn't want to wake up my children.

So I had the game on mute and they kept showing him and I just assumed he was a defensive coach to your point. See? You were judging him too, feeling. Not just me. Okay, let me see. All right, this honestly could have been one of our first losers that I've got. Romeo Dots.

Oh, he was my next loser. Yeah, that drop was bad. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. No, go with it. Well, not only Romeo Dobbs, but I don't know. Did Romeo Dobbs get drafted in your fantasy leagues?

I can't remember if he got to take it. Probably not. But that was tough for Romeo Dobbs. So first of all, at halftime, I'm checking out what people are saying online. And someone had tweeted that he had only actually played 12 out of 32 snaps in the first half. And I'm like, yeah, it actually didn't seem like he was really out there, Romeo Dobbs. That's weird. And then you have the third quarter where they're like, all right, Drake May, just throwing one up there for Romeo Dobbs.

And that gets intercepted. And then, to Deontes point, that drop. I mean, that was like one of Drake May's best plays of the game, puts it right in his hands. could have been a big play, and he drops the football. So I think May targeting him 0 for 3 with an interception. So he does not have a catch. And this is a game again where A.J. Brown went down. That's tough.

That is a tough start there for Romeo. Kind of an indictment of Drake May is targeting Mac Collins on key downs in the second half. You know, like not blaming him. You don't blame him when you're watching it. You're like, oh yeah, Matt Collins looks like he's getting open. That was this guy in the Super Bowl last year, though, too. You know? Like when he was struggling in the Super Bowl, Matt Collins was there for him.

I mean, I'm not going to act like Kisham Booty is like some future All-Pro, but you did give away Kishon Booty because you're assuming that Romeo Dobbs is going to be a certain kind of receiver for you. And again, right, we're not going to, as Billy Gill like to work catastrophize, right? We're not going to catastrophize here on their wide receiver situation, even though it does seem a little dire without A.J. Brown, especially if he has to miss a bunch of time. But, yeah, in terms of just like week one impressions,

I don't want to see the wide receiver that you spent money to go bring in not being on the field for more than half of your passing plays and not being targeted like a guy that you just invested in and was willing to clear out other talent that you had in the wide receiver room to be able to make space for them. It's just not the right kind of taste in your mouth coming out of week one. It's weird. You signed into a big contract.

You would assume you had a plan for him. Again, you had all off season. You've been working on this game plan for a while. And it was just like, I guess they had three, three times they actually targeted him. But yes, very, very tough start there for Romeo Dobbs. All right, Billy, I stole yours. Do you have another one for us?

No, that's fine. Don't worry about it. Here's a winner. Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup had the catch of the game. What a catch. And then he had a touchdown. They got taken away from him because of an illegal shift before.

And it was like, come on. That didn't really affect the play. That was perfectly fine. Cooper should have had a touchdown. But I feel like a couple years ago, Cooper was just discarded. we assume like, okay, this guy's going to kind of bounce around. He's not really going to be a contributor.

Wins the Super Bowl last year. He's still very serviceable. He's there when you need him. Cooper Cup. I want to give him a winner for today. It was a huge catch. I mean, it was one of their biggest plays of the game. You know, Drew Locke's just like he's down there somewhere.

I'm going to throw it up. And you didn't know, can Cooper Cup still make that play? He could. He had the other play in the middle of the field where he comes back to the ball, avoids a defender. So Deont, I mean, I know Billy's not sub-tweeting. me, but I was kind of like when his career ended with the Rams,

I was kind of like, that's probably, Deontes heard. I will admit that I thought it was over. Everyone did. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Especially me when wide receivers and corners, when their age starts with the three, I'm usually like, all right, it's going downhill here in a hurry. But Deonti, he

looked good tonight as a number two option. I mean, you know, it's one of those things where after you get so used to see in a guy in a certain jersey, you go see them in, you know, especially a rival's jersey. You're like, ah, I've seen this story before. This usually ends with the wide receiver being cooked, but the fact that he's still able to be productive,

able to go make an acrobatic catch along the sideline early in the game, and that was a huge play for Seattle's offense. I think that that's a great sign for them. I still want to see Rashid get more involved. Maybe that's something that would have happened if you had a restarted quarterback in. I still just feel like they have not really carved out as much opportunity for him within the flow of the offense as they should. But yeah, I think if Cooper Cup can give you this kind of production,

God, this got to make you feel good, especially with all the things that we've mentioned in terms of the run game and the fact that you're still able to feed JSN basically on demand. I think this offense might have another one of those underrated. You know, there might not be top five in EPA or DVLA. But I think this offense is maybe showing that even in a game that was kind of hirky jerky because of the loss of Donald and, you know, they weren't able to convert a bunch in the first half. they can maybe keep themselves afloat in ways that I had questions as to whether or not they'd be able to this year. Yeah, guys made place.

There's no doubt about it. All right, let's take one more break. We come back. We finish up with some more winners and losers from this game. All right, we are back here on the Ringer NFL show. Now, I know Billy was watching on mute. I don't know if he was watching on mute the whole night. Deontay, I don't know about you, so I might be on an island here.

And I'm not trying to be mean. But I got Jason Garrett as a loser here. And here's the reason. My kids are trying to, you know, educate me a little bit on aura. Am I saying that right? Aura, right? Aura loss. Is that made it?

I don't know. Is that made it? Okay. I'm mailing it. Yeah, I'm nailing it, right? So him being on a set there with Mike Tomlin, that feels like an aura loss for Jason Garrett. Are you familiar with the magging?

Yes, yes, I think you're right. That probably would have been better. But it's like they're having conversations and it's kind of like Jason Garrett's off to the side. Like, wait, is he supposed to be here or not? And when Mike Tomlin says something and then Jason Garrett says something, it's like I'm putting like very different stock into what these two men are telling me about the game of football. So I feel like this is tough, Billy. I know you had your hand up over there. I feel like this is tough for Jason. and Gara. Well, you mentioned Mike Tomlin. I was wondering if you had, if you guys had grades for his debut today for, you know, football night in America, Sunday night, whatever you would call. I mean, Wednesday night football in America, whatever today would be called. What grades would you give Mike Tomlin? Because the halftime interview that I saw with him was kind of like, yeah, Mike,

you said a lot of nothing here. You know what I mean? Like, he didn't give us a ton, which, by the way, was his MO in post-game press conferences. He said a lot of nothing, or he just had a lot of crazy things. about not blinking, cutting your eyelids off. Like, I love him for the stuff that he said. I was wondering how he would do. And then they also showed us his sit down with John Harbaugh. And the clip that they showed us was like the biggest nothing burned out. I was like, can you believe we're sitting here?

It's like, no. And it's like, see more of that this week. If that's the best clip, Billy, that's not a good sign. If that was the tease clip, I have concerns about that interview. So because part of my night was on mute, would you guys, what grades would you give my guest pregame or whatever else I may have missed of him. I just thought this was a tough day for NBC's, NBC's broadcast in general, honestly.

I don't know if I love Chris Collinsworth today. I mean, Mike Tariko is Mike Tariko, and, you know, their pregame, and maybe this is just a Mike and Jason thing because they do just kind of offer up nothing burgers, right? But you're sitting there watching, and I'm like, as they're cutting a commercial break, if I was just a casual fan, what exactly did I just take from these conversations that I just witnessed?

I don't know if I got any smarter about the game of football. I don't know if I heard anything captivated, you know, on the set either, right? And clearly these are not personalities. They're going to give you that inside the NBA back when they were on T&T, sort of whimsy or jokes, you know, either. So if I'm not learning anything and I'm not getting, you know, these very cool kind of former coach anecdotes, we're all just sitting around saying, hey, they got to control the line of scrimmage.

They got to convert on third down. Thanks, you know, awesome. it really it did feel a lot like that I thought the in-game broadcast was fine I thought it was kind of class that you I feel comfort sometimes it's like all right Tariko and Collinsworth I know what I'm getting from these two

Collinsworth had the nice call on the JASN touchdown where he pointed that out right before so yeah that I didn't have an issue with Tomlin I would say okay I wasn't watching it going I can't stand this this guy's annoying me get him off my TV I wasn't going, oh my gosh, now I see why every network wanted to bring in Mike Tomlin. But you are right, Billy.

He had one of those today where he said something about, you know, can they deliver the baby? Was his thing? And you were kind of like, wait, what is he talking about? Delivering a baby? Oh, okay. He's just talking about like, can they sack drink? May I think, is what the comparison was. You know, he did a podcast a while ago, the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark.

and I think Fred... Channing Crowder. Yes. And I thought he was awesome on that. Because when he got the broadcasting job, a lot of people were saying what you said. Like, wait, this guy, everyone has high hopes for? Like, his press conferences are terrible. But he was loose in that setting. He was telling great stories. He was giving his coaching philosophy.

Like, I thought what he was talking about in that interview about just, like, the philosophy of what it means to be a coach. I know it sounds a little hokey, but I'm like, this is like the best explanation I've ever heard for what the actual job is for an NFL coach. So I had some higher hopes for him. I think that's the side they need to bring out. It's less of just like, what are the keys to the game? I don't know that that's going to be that entertaining.

But if he can, like you said, tell, how many stories must this guy have? I mean, think of how many, how much time he spent in the NFL. Just do like, let's have Mike Tomlin story time, you know, and just give us something. Well, he also coached what was a circus and kept it completely under control when Antonio Brown was running around there too. And like, we had no idea that Antonio Brown was a crazy person until he left Pittsburgh. So what else did he take care of that we just didn't know because he's just like very much a coach like, this stays in house, we're a family, all of that stuff. Yeah.

There's got to be something. So I want to see more. Incomplete. Give him incomplete. That's right. Give him some more time. Let's see how it goes for Mike Tomlin. All right, Deontay, you got anything else for us?

Any winners or losers before we close this out? I think I covered all my guys. Okay. I mean, it's not like this was a high-flying game. No, it wasn't. Yeah, we definitely hit all the big stuff. But just in case, Billy, you got anything else for us, winners or losers.

Just a quick winner, we mentioned him a moment ago, but we haven't really talked that much about him. JSA, I mean, 122 yards on eight receptions, a touchdown. He had that little, basically, like a screen pass that he turned into basically a 40-yard touchdown. That was awesome. I think he's just so good that and the game wasn't great that we just kind of like, hey, it was just kind of doing what he does. I didn't realize he had 122 yards, honestly, until you said that. I would have guessed, you know, 78 or something like that. Yeah, I mean, most of it was on that one play. But still, he's just so good that we almost take him

for granted that, like he puts a performance like that. It's like, eh, it just seemed like an average game from him. No big deal. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, That play swung the entire game, that fourth and one to JSA. So he is incredible. He actually had a chance for another touchdown. Drew Locke kind of overthrew him on the one there left corner of the end zone or he could have had an even bigger game. Where after that one, I'm like, uh-oh, is JSA going to be kind of frustrated by this

quarterback's play? But they ended up getting the ball in the ball. So he was fine there. All right, let me look at my list. I mean, is Mike Rable a loser here? If you're a great coach, should you be? be blowing a 10-0-0 lead to Drew Locke? I don't

know. Am I being mean? Who do we blame the loss on? You know, we can give credit to what you follow-all, whatever. Yeah, I think Drake May. It's Drake May. It's Drake May. All right. I'm just saying.

You throw three picks in one quarter. The game kind of falls on your shoulders. What does their schedule look like? Because are things about to get like really rough for Drake May here? I think they play a pretty healthy amount of teams that made the playoffs last year. So they play Pittsburgh next, and then they're at Jacksonville, at Buffalo. Yeah, but then they have like, then they have Vegas and jets. I mean, by the time you get to that Raiders jet stretch,

if things go sideways, if A.J. Brown misses time and this offense sputters, outside of Pittsburgh, you're going to be dealing with teams who we have high expectations for their offense. So I do have some questions about what New England is going to look like getting out of September. Yeah, that's tough. could be one and three going into that game now. This was a three-point game. It's not like they got blown out. They could bounce back easily and still be a very good team.

But yeah, that's not an easy stretch. And even Pittsburgh, like Pittsburgh's front is going to be quite challenging for them, I think, blocking those guys with the Steelers because I think their defense is going to be pretty good. All right. I'm looking through my list here. I mean, the Seahawks just have so many defensive players. Like the lesser-known Seahawks defensive backs who maybe, you know, We're not household names.

Like Nehemiah Pritchett. It's just like they lose Rikwollen and free agency and this guy's making a terrific interception. Like Josh Job, anyone could have had this guy a couple years ago. Practice squad guy, man. Practice squad guy. He plays great for them last year.

They're like, hey, let's just sign him instead of Rek Wulin and he'll be cheaper. That interception, because the thing about that interception, we probably didn't give this enough province. We should have given early. Like, if that's just a past breakup or he makes the cash but one foot's out of bounds, the game's going overtime. And then you have a 50, 50% chance to lose the game. So the fact that he's a defensive back who can make that play,

that acrobatic play still get his feet in bounds, that was a huge play. I mean, obviously a huge play, but an impressive play, I should say. Deonti, yeah. Do you have any thoughts on the Rams doing this travel 28 hours before the game versus the Niners staying there for a week? Because Billy and I can't get enough about talking about this. Or just general thoughts towards the Netflix game.

preview from D.I. I mean, I think the science, I've listened to enough, you know, professors, scholars, and sleep science experts that I feel like the logic of it is sound, right? Like, I've heard the argument made enough times where the logic of it is sound. I think that there's just this gap in my little linebacker brain where all I think about is more days in different environment means more opportunity to get your body acclimated. right but i do think i do think if you're the rams and you can't say this right now because you still have to go try to win the game but if you're sean mcvay no matter what happens on uh the thursday

night game between the four nines and rams and you get to the podium after you're going to say we set up this travel this way because we did not want to be tanked in week two in week three by having to be in australia for an extended amount of time and then have to try to get our bodies reacclimated to being in Los Angeles or wherever else were to travel from here. That, to me, is what makes the most sense for this kind of travel plan. It is less about maximizing the 24 hours you're going to spend in Melbourne, and a lot more about once we get back to California, can we get back to being a normal team on a normal schedule

and not have to modify week two or week three's plans just to give our guys a chance to catch up on their sleep and recover properly? they're taking the long view. So, Billy, if that was the team you rooted for, like let's say the Rams lose this game. And then McVeigh is like, listen, there are different ways to do it. We listen to our sports science staff.

We're taking the long view. It's a long season. It's 18 weeks. We want these guys to be as healthy as possible. That's why we did it. Are you like, okay, I understand that? Or are you like, man, you overthought it. I wish you would have just gone there earlier

and tried to win this game. I mean, if it's my team, I am not understanding of any reasons when my team loses. you know what I mean. Like, I don't care what sports scientist says. Irrational. Yeah. The long play.

Like, I'm the guy that, you know, when my baseball team has someone pitching a no hitter, have them throw 250 pitches. I don't care about their arm and their career long term. Like, I want to see a no hitter. So I don't know in a long view.

They play the Giants. And you need all this extra rest to play the Giants. Like, get out of you. You're going to be perfectly fine. The thing about the science that I mean, obviously it's accounted for, but like,

that I can't, but also because I'm dumb, is there's also like you're on a plane for 18 hours. So yeah, you could be sticking to the same clock, but being on a plane for 18 hours is not great for your body. Yeah, like that's an exhausting day that you have beforehand. You could still be on the same mental clock,

but like your body's tired. You know what I was just thinking? And I'm glad we're deep into the podcast for this. And I don't know if your families discuss this as much as, you know, my family. We're very comfortable talking about gut health, you know. Oh. Are you regular?

Are you irregular? You know? travel can do a number on that. And I'm wondering, you know, like, are the Niners now acclimated and they're good? Or are they like, man, this is terrible. This has been a week of this. Because the Rams, I can't imagine that's going to be good

for kind of the, you know what I'm talking about, Billy here. Didn't you tell us once that you had an uncle that came here from abroad and didn't go to the bathroom the entire time or something? That's right. Mukun uncle. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, he was, yeah, and he was very upset. He almost flew back to India because he was constipated. It was like there had to be a whole, Deonté, there had to be the whole family meeting of how can we get this guy, get some things moving there. He was so upset. Well, why didn't they give him like that?

X lax or something. Frank, I am, I am 100%. I am loving just the idea that Matthews Stafford can't escape a third down pressure because he didn't get his morning poop in. Listen. And I can speak because he's, he's a little older. I can speak to when you're a little bit older and that stuff.

It affects you a little bit more, you know? It's not like you're in your 20s and you're not thinking about it. So I do think it could. It's a shame too because Australia obviously famously has the toilet to spin the other way around. So you know, you'd want to take advantage. Yeah, because they're on a different hemisphere. So instead of, you know, flushing clockwise or whatever, they flush counterclockwise. You never heard this shield?

No, I don't know anything about what you're talking about. Deontah, you don't know about this either? I'm totally unaware. Oh my gosh. All right. Well, they do have the good coffee in Australia, so maybe that'll help them a little bit, get things moving. But listen, any enterprising journalists out there, if you tackle this angle of the story, I can guarantee you a shout out on a future ringer NFL show.

I mean, you have the guy that could have asked them about this because he's doing the game. And he's assigned to that team specifically. Billy. Really? I can't be asking him to go report on the constipation situation with these two teams. Now he's not here. How are you feeling it's going? So you're just saying you're getting to me.

You're not entirely comfortable asking him yet to ask about the bathroom situation. Well, you know, that's kind of a different level of intimacy with the person. I would say this. And we could talk about it when Tom comes back. But I feel like if Tom was assigned specifically to the Rams, he should have done the Rams experience also, correct? Wow. Well, he's got to do what Netflix is. Yeah, but Netflix should have said, hey, this is kind of like a crazy plan.

Let's have them do the crazy plan with that. That would have been good content. Yeah, he did exactly what they're doing. Yeah, you're right about that. Well, it's too late, Billy. Next time. Yeah, next time. Next time they're in Australia. All right. There you go. All right, that was winners and losers. And also, a look ahead to the second game of the NFL season. All right. Thank you to Billy Gill. Thank you to Deontay Lee. And of course, thank you to Christopher Sutton for producing additional production supervision by Connor Nevins and Arjuna. Ramgoffal. I'm Shiel Kapadia. We'll talk to you after Rams 49ers on the ringer. NFL. 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800 gambler or 1-800 my reset. Call 1-8. 8887-8-8-9-7-7 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in

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