The Ringer NFL Show - Winners and Losers of Free Agency | Big Board

Episode Date: March 19, 2021

'The Ringer Fantasy Football Show' hosts Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly are joined by Kevin Clark to decide who the winners and losers of free agency have been so far (3:15). Follow ‘The Ringer Fantasy Football Show.’ Hosts: Danny Heifetz and Danny Kelly Guest: Kevin Clark Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And Kevin will also be discussing those deals on the Ringer NFL show here next week. All right, let's get to the show. Welcome to the Ringer NFL show. My name is Danny Hifitz, and I am joined by my co-host, Danny Kelly. You may know us from the Ringer Fantasy Football Show, which airs every Wednesday during the offseason. But we are coming to you every Friday until the draft here for the Ringer NFL show on the Big Board. And today, we are ranking free agency winners in the last year. losers with the one and only, Kevin Clark. How are you doing, Casey? I'm doing phenomenal.

I'm doing phenomenal. I'm excited by this fragency period. I'm learning a lot about the league. There's a lot of sports going on, Danny Hyfitz. There's a lot of sports. Are you a March Madness guy? I'm not a March Madness guy. No. No. It's not, you know, obviously went to University of Miami, which is not a March Madness school per se. We're not really a hoops area there. And so, I've never really caught the bug, so to speak. Can I ask you a serious question? If the University of Miami is mostly famous for, like, paying players to come, then, like, why aren't they good at basketball?

Well, first of all, we got rid of the program for, like, over a decade in the 80s. We decided to not have a basketball team. That seems like a mistake. Well, baseball. So baseball is probably more popular on campus than basketball. That's absolutely mind-blowing. I don't think that that's that uncommon in some parts of the southeast. Okay, I guess that makes sense.

Anyway, I guess we can talk football here. So we're going to go through, we're going to give our winners and free agency, but obviously, winners and losers and free agency has like a connotation because if you win free agency, you're kind of lose. So first of all, Kevin, you've been talking about this this week on the show. What does a winner and free agency even mean? I think it's a team that had their questions answered, right? Like it's not going out and saying, okay, we spent, like I saw a staff for Warren Sharpie,

the taggors who spent $1.1 billion in free agency over the last decade, right? That's a, that's probably not how you win for agency. But what you can do is go out and say, okay, we had these holes. There's at least an answer here. There's a logic to everything. So when I think about who wins free agency, it's teams that I have a lot less questions about than I did three days ago. DK, what do you think a winner in free agency is?

I mean, I think the way that Kevin answered that is very, very accurate. Like, filling holes that you needed to fill in terms of, you know, big needs on the roster or making sure that you're not going into the draft, like, completely, you know, you're not depending on these draft picks to, like, fix your team. You don't have to go in and have, get a right tackle. Like, that's a good way to win free agency is to give yourself options for the next year where you're not completely married to doing one thing in the, draft you can let the draft board follow you so um the way that i approached this wasn't necessarily

like the team that you know got the best the most players or the got the spent the most money obviously that has been a huge sort of land or or minefield in the past and so that's not exactly the way to win it however you know a few teams i think even though they did spend a lot of money i think they made themselves better they added talent at the end of the day like having more talent on your roster can be a good thing even though free agent it free agent it's agency is notorious for being sort of like this, you know, fake thing that we'd get excited about in the offseason and then it ends up being terrible, like, later. I think that you can do it in the right way. So that's kind of the point of view that I try to take when I made my list.

Well, the famous analogy is you're not supposed to go shopping hungry, right? And that's the thing. It's like you can go to the supermarket and leave with a good cart or a bad card. It depends, you know, your mentality when you're shopping. So with that said, okay, so we're going to go here. Deakin and I ranked the top five teams that we liked what they did in free agency and Kevin, you want to just absolutely shred us where we're wrong? What if you guys are right? Then tell us we're right. I love to be told them right.

I'm starting from a place of positivity here and I will react if your lists are trash. But I'm rooting for you guys. I'm rooting for you guys to have both top five that think, hey, these are great lists. These teams solve their problems. Let's ride. Wow. Thank you. This is like

a little safe space. This is great. It's like Belichick. Don't tell me what the guy can't do. Tell me what he can do. And when I'm, I'm starting with you guys, I think you guys can both make good top five lists. Wow. That's why if you were a gym, you had 10 years, you would, you would win

a division title. I would be a terrible by the way, the only, if anyone's listened to this podcast in 2016, they know I only, I crush mid-round picks, crush them. Like, I was on Alvin Kamara ahead of anybody else. I was ahead of Fred Warner, ahead of everybody else. Like that, that would be my

bread and butter if I was a GM. I would never hit on a first round pick. So you're Dave Gettleman. It would never happen. Maybe I'd be one of these like Belichick types who just trade back all the time. John Schneider. Just get a bunch of third round picks. Yeah.

I would be a bit of it. And it's funny because Schneider actually and I have similar views on football where like just drafts like off athleticism in the mid rounds and and take flyers on guys. So what I'm saying is I should be the GM of the Seahawks. You should trade. How many, That's Russell Wilson.

Would you trade Russell Wilson? I would not trade Russell Wilson. Wait, to put a bow on, I would be a terrible GM. I would just draft, I think I said this before. I would never make the playoffs. I'd give about a ton of bad contracts, but I would draft like five Hall of Famers. That's my take on my executive career.

That's a good take. All right, we'll circle back in that. Okay. D.K., you want to go first here? What's the team that you liked the most what they did in Free Agency over the last week? I really liked what Washington has done. actually. I think, you know, coming into free agency,

there, for me at least, not a lot of reasons to get excited about this team, even though, you know, they made the playoffs last year. They snuck into the playoffs. I think still looking at that roster, good defense. I was not excited about the offense. I didn't know if they could kind of recreate what they did last year. But to Kevin's point, like they answered some questions for me. Number one, the coreback spot. Ryan Fitzmaidrich. Ryan Fitzmaidgen is back. Fitzpatrick's ninth team. I was actually surprised as hear this. He has played for nine teams now.

He's a one-year, $10 million deal. It's not breaking the bank. You bring it in a guy who I think can inject some energy. You know, he can push the ball down the field. He can help your run game because he's aggressive, like throwing down the field last year. You obviously, they kind of cycle through quarterbacks. Alex Smith is not a push-the-ball down the field type of guy. So I really like the Fitzpatrick move.

I think that's smart move. A bridge to the future that can still go and draft a guy this year. if they want, if the draft board falls to them, which is like I was saying, you know, they're not forced to, but it gives them an opportunity to kind of draft a guy, let them sit for a year if they want and go from there. The Curtis Samuel pick signing, I really like to. I think that's exciting for them.

Now you look at this Washington offense, and it's legitimately maybe one of the fastest offenses in the NFL. You know, we always talk about the chiefs who have so much speed, being able to change the geometry of how you have to defend them. now Washington has Terry McLaren, 4-3-speed, Curtis Samuel, 4-3-speed, and Antonio Gibson coming out of the backfield, who is like a 4-3-4-4 guy, you know, as a running back, add in some of the weapons that they've sort of used in different ways, like J.D. McKissick, I'm not saying he's like an elite player,

but he's an interesting role player in his ability to kind of catch the ball, do different things out of the backfield. I think, you know, with Scott Turner at O.C., this is going to be an interesting offense to me. They also franchised Brandon Shirk, which kind of flew under the radar, keeping their really good guard. So all things considered, I really liked what they did with their offense. I think this offense is actually going to be fun to watch next year, which is, from my point of view, Brownie points. And then I also really liked signing William Jackson. I think that was a really smart move.

Three-year, $42 million deal. He has been, in my opinion, a very underrated star, you know, at cornerback over the last few years. you know, he's a guy that can play multiple different schemes. He can play man. He can play zone. I think it gives them, along with Kendall Fuller, Lannon Collins, and Cameron Curle, who as a rookie last year was surprisingly good, a burgeoning secondary to match up with what is already an elite defensive line. This defense, I think, has a chance to be really good.

So all things considered, those four moves makes Washington a, in my mind that right now, at least a favorite sort of in that division. again. So kudos them that they did a really good job. Ooh. I just thought that that was a very interesting comment at the end there because I, I am playing both sides in the same way that I waited until September of last year until the Eagles injuries to declare the Eagles not making the playoffs. I, I don't know what's came up with the NFC is to the point I'm not making any proclamations. Like Dallas could be better. I love the football team, but it's, that's interesting that you're, you're calling.

Just say what it is. It's right now. It's just right now. You're calling it. Making it. If I had to put money on a team, I would absolutely put money in Washington and win the division. I think they're the favorite. I think that defense, the defensive line is among the best units any team has in the entire league.

And then now they have an offense that can actually put up points. They can give the defense leads to defend, which was not really happening last year. But I think that that defense is going to be great. But now Fitzpatrick's exciting. And you've also got McLaurin and Curtis Samuel, which weren't they at Ohio State together with Dwayne Haskins. Yeah, McLaurin tweeted something about how they were talking about it in the freshman dorms about playing for the same NFL team back in the day.

There's kind of sitcom vibes here where it's like Ryan Fitzpatrick turns out he had one credit shy of Harvard and then transfers as like a 38 year old guy at Ohio State. Like I don't know. There's like you could make some kind of show about this. I like that. But no, I agree. Okay. Who's your number one?

Oh, so I had the bucks. I had the bucks at like three. So I agree. My number one though, I think the bucks. You had Washington at three? Washington at three. But I think the winner of free agencies, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

because they kept all their good players from hitting free agency. I feel like that's actually the goal of free agency is you don't want to be competing. They took all these players, and they had all of them stay on relatively team-friendly deals. They had Brady renegotiate this deal

to add like three fake years, and then they used, and then Gronk did the same thing. Gronk, who told Kyle Brandt on the Ringer Podcast Network that he's only signing one-year deals, technically signs a five-year deal with four fake ones. They create all this cap space.

they keep Levanti David at like a team friendly deal. They keep Shaq Barrett, who has the second most sacks over the last two years. And you keep Chris Godwin. I mean, the point, like, you win a Super Bowl, they're like, let's keep all the guys together. They did. That's what you want. I just, it seems so easy to see like the bucks will start 10 and one or whatever. I just love that.

Is there any argument there? About the bucks winning for agency? I mean, no. I mean, I think that they, I thought at some point they might be able to get all these guys under contract, but I thought it was an uphill battle. To have everything solved with the exception of an Dominican Sioux, and we'll see about that, to everything solved by three hours into Freight and see is a football miracle. Good for them.

Yeah. So, I mean, I'm on the same page hyphins. I have them at my number two spot. And so when we go back to the drunken boat parade, everybody's talking about running it back, you know, it's like this cliche thing. We're like, oh, yeah, in the, in that moment, in that feeling when you're really amped up. Everyone talks about how great it is. We're going to keep this band together, blah, blah, blah. And then reality sets in a few months later, a few weeks later, and you're like,

oh, I could get two more million dollars if I go here or whatever. And to me, the big one is Shaq Barrett. Like, how did they keep Shaq Barrett? I thought for sure he was going to be gone because, you know, I think he could have taken a top of market deal with someone else to go and, you know, like make his money, but he didn't. Well, but, but what was the top of market deal in this year. This is what we've been talking about for a month now, which is that this was benefiting the good teams because in a normal year, a team would go out and say, we're going to blow our entire budget on Shaq Barrett. Well, that just wasn't the reality of free agency. And like, maybe the Jets or the Colts or one of these teams and the Colts weren't going to make a big swing like

this, but maybe a team or the Patriots were going to say, hey, we're going to give all our money to Shaq Barrett. But I think the reality of this free agent period benefited the bucks because there wasn't a team that was both desperate and cap space heavy. So I don't, I think that there was a slight advantage tilting towards the bucks. I still think it's remarkable if they did this, but I do think the circumstances are right for them to run back. But this is also the Brady effect, right?

Because at some point, when you're talking about the difference between $16.5 million and $17.5 million per year, it's like at some point you got into football for the money, but also because you love football, you're winning Super Bowls with Tom Brady. Who wants to leave that? This is like you're part of history.

It's about legacy. I will say this. There are now, there are two people who kept their promises from long ago. One is the bucks at the drunken boat parade saying running it back. And the other is Terry McClare and Curtis Samuel in the freshman year dorm saying they were going to play together in the NFL. So that's promises made promises kept. Wait, speaking of the boat parade, we talk so much about the importance of judging process and not judging outcomes. So with that said, I know that the Lombardi trophy was caught.

However, how do you feel about Brady throwing the trophy? Because if it had sunk to the bottom of Tampa Bay, the whole discourse would have been different. So how do you judge the throw? I've seen a lot of things thrown from boat to boat in my day in Florida. That's at least one of the top ten most valuable. And so it normally works. More often than not it works. I'm trying to think of something that's been lost.

I don't know. It depends. It depends on the body of water. Depends what you're doing. Depends if there's a lot of alligators around. In Orlando, there's certain lakes. You just can't really do anything in. It's a lake called Lake Jessup in Orlando that has 13,000 alligators. So you just really can't do anything with the water there.

You kidding me? No, it's where all the developers, because you can't, you obviously have to put the alligator somewhere if you want to get rid of them. So they would all dump them in Lake Jessup. This was a while ago. So it's 13,000 alligators. So you really can't do anything in the water there. So what I'm saying is, is it.

They were obvious. Obviously, Tom Brady understood that, you know, there was a risk there. But I think you could have gotten the Lombardi trophy back if it went in the water. It would have been fine. They would have gotten divers. It would have been fine. I just like the picture clanging off the front of the boat just going right into the water. Everyone was like, oh, God.

Like, think about the image on that. That is a bad omen right there. Maybe they don't run it back. Instead, it was caught and they ran it back. They ran it back. I did once see, I did once witness a carton of cigarettes. traded to a shrimp boat in exchange for like three pounds of like jumbo shrimp just being tossed over the edge but i've never thrown a lot party trophy where was this uh international waters technically

okay okay dk what just happened i was in i was kayaking international waters last week really two weeks ago yeah that's far off the coast how do you in the florida keys it's pretty easy to get to international waters i don't know anything about florida law i'm not even convinced they have laws No, the guy who was leading the kayak expedition was like, we're in international waters now. So it just started just started gambling. I would listen to a full hour of high fits interviewing Kevin about Florida. I'm not kidding. It's a spit-off pod.

I just love Florida talk. Okay. Yeah, can Florida? DK. Who else won a free agency? So I got Washington one. I have Tampa Bay 2. We talked about them.

So for me, number three, and this one might be, some people might disagree with this one. I think the Patriots, I know and I recognize that if this was another team, we'd probably be making fun of them. If this was another GM, we'd probably be like, what are they doing? They're spending so much money. This is going to backfire hilariously. But I'm looking at what the Patriots have done. And actually, I like their moves. I like the majority of their moves.

I like that they added a bunch of talent. They identified that they had a massive, like really just a talent efficiency. If you look at that roster last year, they just needed more. more guys. They needed more like good players. And they've gone out. They got back court, uh, Cam Newton back on a really cheap deal. He's not, you know, it's not like they're, it's costing him a lot to get him. They still honestly don't even have to commit to him at this point yet as a starter. Um, they went out and got Trent Brown trade, Ted Karras in free agency. They added two of the top, the two top tight ends in free agency. They, you know, they had a big problem

last year with, um, offensive talent, offensive skill players being able to make plays. Um, um, They recognized that. So they went out and spent big money to get Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith. And I think that was very interesting from a schematic point of view, strategy in terms of like that's where they're allocating their money. I think that's a very interesting thing. Like you don't see teams spend on two top tight ends rarely, if ever. So I think that's really fascinating. And then obviously Aguilar and Boren, I think are fine.

But they beefed up their defensive line. Matt Judon, Kyle Van Nuoy, Devin, Godcho, Henry Anderson. re-signed Dietrich Wise. The other thing is, this Kyle Van Nuoy signing that kind of went under the Raider yesterday, the Patriots are getting a fourth-round comp pick for Van Nuoy this year and for letting him go and play in Miami for a year,

and now they have Van Nuoy and that pick back. So I just think that was like a perfect sort of, you know, that's the microcosm of the Patriots. So, you know, I don't know if I love the Jalen Mills signing. We'll see how that works out, but there's a few things in here sprinkled in that I didn't quite like, but for the most part,

I really like what the Patriots done. They spent, like, literally almost twice as much as any other team at this point. So kind of a bold strategy. I have them as my loser, and for that reason. Yeah. If I look at the moves,

the only reason that I like what he did is, it's like, well, Belichick did it. And that's my only reason. If any, like literally, if there are 30 other teams had done this,

I would be panning it. And so I'm giving Belichick the benefit of the doubt because Bill Belichick has been, coaching football since long before I was born. So I'm not going to sit here and say he's wrong, but it's more just being objective about this. I don't understand a couple of these moves.

So last year, the Raiders signed Nelson Agilor for a million bucks. He was great. Now the Patriots are giving him $11 million a year. Are you supposed to go out and get Nelson Agalore? Or are you supposed to look at that situation, be like, let's find our own version of Nelson Agalore. You want the million dollar receiver who outplays it. You don't need this specific guy.

I don't know why they don't get John Brown who signed with the Raiders for like a million bucks. And then the same thing with Matt Judon. I get signing Judon, but like, why are they paying Matt Judon was $34 million guaranteed when they could have waited two days and just signed Van Nuoy for $13 million across two full years? It's just, it seemed like there's a lack of patience. I don't really understand it. I mean, again, it's Belichick, so maybe it'll all work.

And he's earned the benefit of the doubt, if nothing else. But looking at the moves in totality, I don't really understand. Other than Belichick, I don't let being the person in charge of it. I don't like it. What did you make of all these signings, Kevin? So I like some more than others, obviously. The Jalen Mill signing to me was the biggest head scratcher. I agree with D.K., just because you're versatile doesn't mean you're good. Just because you can do a bunch of different stuff doesn't mean you're actually valuable. But I think that there's a lot of smart people who were saying this was the only way they could

get there. This was maybe Bill Belichick's admission that he's just never going to draft a good wide receiver ever again, so you might as well over pay. I just think that there's, it makes sense in some spots. They had the money to spend. And everybody was, you know, I said this on our pot a couple of days ago. But Belichick's been looking for the inefficiency now for 20 years in New England. And in a weird way, for the first time, this was the inefficiency. Spending was the inefficiency.

He's always the bargain basement, bargain bin shopper. And he didn't need to be this time. And instead, he overpaid for guys. I think I agree with both of you guys in the sense that. this could backfire, but I'm looking at the moves that they've made. And it changes my opinion of the Patriots for 2021. Like I was looking at them before as sort of this team that was probably going to be middling at best. And now I look at them as a probable playoff team.

So maybe that is going to end up being like me buying like drinking the Kool-Aid or whatever. But I just think the Hunter Henry, Johnny Smith, Cam Newton, what they've done with the offensive line, defensive line, you look at every spot, every part of this roster now. And the Patriots are pretty talented now. Like everywhere across the board. So, you know, when you factor in Belichick's ability to coach guys up,

I think to me this is just what makes it exciting. It could backfire, but I'm right now guessing it does not. Yeah, I think that's a good point. I mean, again, like they used to be trading out of the first round because first round picks were overvalued. And I do think to Kevin's point, there's like an interesting argument. that after 10 years of everyone being like,

wow, don't spend in free agency, then they dip in with this cap situation. But like, actually, no, screw it. We're going to go do it. And you know what? The ability to admit mistakes has been kind of the strength of the Patriots all along. So admitting the mistake they've made in drafts

is better than putting your head in the sand like other teams. They're doing the Warren Buffett thing. It's like, be greedy when people are fearful and be fearful when people are greedy. Like, everyone is fearful right now about free agency because the cap is dropping. Yeah. So I don't know.

That's probably not what he's thinking. but it is kind of an interesting sort of zig when everyone else is zagging type deal. It reminds me a little bit of like post money ball Billy Bean. Like Billy Bean became really, really famous, obviously, for valuing on base percentage. You know, we don't need a closer. We don't do things differently. And then in, I forget the year, but it was maybe four or five years after the book came out, there was a year where he just really prioritized defense and he gave some big extensions up.

And it was just because the vision that he'd set out for had become too popular. And so I'm not saying Belichick did that. I'm not saying Belichick set out to get everybody to start value hunting. And then he decided to start spending. He was not playing a long game here. I'm just saying if you look at the situation, they are some individual smart decisions. I think that on the whole,

I don't think the Patriots got much better. I want to kind of underline that point here. Even if he made some good decisions here, I don't think the Patriots are a playoff team in 2021. But what I do think is that kind of what we're talking about, if the criteria is they answered questions about the roster, they did that. They were just starting a little bit far away from the playoffs.

I don't think they got there. So speaking of Moneyball, my second team is the Houston Texans, specifically because you know that line in Moneyball where they're like, there's 50 feet of crap and then there's us? Like, that's where the Texans are right now. and I know it's weird to highlight the Texans right now, but they just signed like a dozen people, like 12 or 15 people in the last three or four days.

None of them were very exciting. I mean, we're talking about like Tarad Taylor, Mark Ingram, who I think is a good locker room guy, like defensive tackle Malik Collins, like six like linebackers and safeties and quarterbacks you've never heard of on like one or two-year deals. They're all cheap.

It's good, like, at the bear, again, questions about the roster. You know what the biggest question for the Texans was after who plays quarterback for them? He's like, who plays for this team? Do we have any good players in this roster? The whole thing was hollowed out by Bill O'Brien and Nick Casario, the GM,

does have to go about running the team and they're just throwing stuff at the wall. And like, it's not exciting. It's not cool. But there's something to be said about, hey, we're going to throw 20 contracts at the wall and hopefully four of them stick for next year. We need some blocks to build around.

I just think it's a good and unsexy strategy. But I think it makes sense. I almost had them as one of my losers. Wait, why? Because I look at what they've done, and this isn't even talking about like the Deshawn Watson situation. It's basically I didn't like any of the signings that they made. I don't know. It was one of those things where I think Hyphids, you even said, it's like none of them are exciting.

None of them, I think, makes them markedly better or, you know, gets them out of where they are. To me, it's like they, this is a bunch of empty calories and it's not going to make them a good team. That was just kind of like my impression of it. So I would disagree on the Houston one. That's fine. I look at it as Mark Ingram. I look at it as, is Mark and Grum going to run for 1,000 yards this year?

No. I look at it as Mark Ingram is in here to stabilize the locker room where JJ Watt just said that this is a toxic organization I want out of here publicly. And I look at it as, this is kind of triage on the team, like the organization from an identity perspective. It's not exactly like a traditional free agency thing,

but sometimes you need to do triage on the team. I will say, I think that there's probably a disconnect. I think Nick Asario can run this like a competent franchise on the bottom half of the roster or whatever you want to call it and just make some nice value moves. But it kind of like some other teams here. They're just so far away from competence. That's not going to solve anything. And like even if they're doing nice moves that you and I and Danny Kelly would grade is like B plus moves or whatever, like that that's that's not what's going to help this franchise. And I think there's just structural problems in the franchise need to be addressed before Nick Aserio's moves mean anything.

One thing I will add, and I don't, I'm not like strenuously disagree with you. It's because one thing I noticed while I was making this list is it was kind of hard to pick five winners. Yeah. For me to be totally honest. It was, I had to reach a little bit, I feel like, and you'll maybe see that in my next couple of picks. I, to me, free agency, we're, you know, technically it kind of started on Monday. We're about a weekend almost. And I feel like there's still a lot that could happen.

But right now, there aren't that. any clear big time winners. There's a bunch of teams that made some moves that, you know, I feel like there was mostly neutral on like the vast majority of these NFL teams. So I think that is very interesting that, right? We've already had, you know, two disagreements on losers versus winners. I think that just kind of tells you how this free agent period has gone. It's indicative of a free agency.

So, yeah. Okay. So who's your third winner from free agency, D.K.? So right now, I got Washington. in Tampa Bay, New England. And my number four pick is the Seattle Seahawks. And the vast majority of the

Seahawks pick is the fact that they didn't trade Russell Wilson. They didn't do the disastrous. I guess. I'm grading the Texans on a curve and you give the Seahawks curve for like not screwing up their organization. For not completely hamstringing their team

for the next 10 years. Yes, I think that they deserve some credit for that. I will say the other moves that they made yesterday on Wednesday afternoon, I thought we're very smart. Gerald Everett is a player I've had my eye on kind of for a while as a underrated talent who, for whatever reason, like there was moments during his first four years where it felt like he was about to break out and be a big time playmaker for the Rams. Then he would like get hurt or whatever.

There was just so many situations where he was close to kind of breaking out and establishing himself as a big player for them. And then something happened and it just didn't happen. And Tyler Higbee kind of took over. And he just kind of got lost in the show. shuffle, but I think he's a good player that got him on a one year $6 million deal. So that's, you know, a very reasonable cost to get a another playmaker in the offense. I think that was a big need for the Seahawks last year. If you go back to the second half of the season, I think one

of the reasons their offense completely went off the rails is that Tyler Lockett throughout much of the second half of the season wasn't fully healthy. It looked like he was struggling. He wasn't at his top speed. They basically had DK Metcalf and nobody, you know, Greg Olson wasn't a difference maker. And then with Locker, her, it's like, who are they going to throw to you?

Like, their rookie Freddie Swain or whatever, you know what I mean? It's like they didn't have. How dare you solely Freddie Swain's name? Go to guy. I mean, Freddie Swade was pretty impressive for a six-round rookie,

but that's what you were dealing with as kind of like their playmakers. So, you know, it was honestly a situation late in the year where every, the Seahaw fans were like, when is Josh Gordon, you know, going to come and save the Seahawks offense?

It was like, that was the kind of, situation we were in. So getting another guy who can be, he'll be the tertiary option. He'll be the number three behind D.K. and tie locket. And that's good because if either of those guys miss time or get hurt, Everett can kind of step in and be, you know, I don't think he's a big time star, but he can be a go-to guy. He's very good at running after the catch. He has, you know, is very, very physical. They can move him around the formation, all that stuff. So I thought that was a smart signing. The re-signed Pune Ford, who quietly was one of their best defenders to a

two-year deal. So that was smart. And then they traded a fifth round pick for Gabe Jackson, a guard with the Raiders, which I think this to me was the move the Seahawks absolutely needed to make. If they're going to have, number one, if they're going to repair this sort of damaged relationship, I guess you could say with Russell Wilson, whatever, whatever's going on behind those scenes. This move to me screams like, hey, we're trying to help you out here. We're getting a guy who's been one of the best past protecting guards in the NFL throughout his career.

You know, it's a perfect fit in terms of. what Seattle's looking for. He kind of fits the mold of what the type of offensive linemen that they've been looking for last few years. Big people mover. Put him down, either right guard or left guard. I'm not sure what they'll do, but opposite Damien Lewis, their rookie guard from last year, who was really surprisingly good for them. So they're solidifying their offensive line.

I think that was a smart move. It didn't cost them a bunch, like a fifth round pick, and you got a starter for it. And then finally, and again, this is like sort of reaching a little bit, but I was kind of relieved they didn't sign Shaq Griffin to the deal that he got in free agency. I just didn't see him as that level, that caliber of corner. He may end up turning into that. Maybe that's the Jags are signing this guy thinking he'll be the next good, great cornerback in the NFL. But I don't think what we saw from him in Seattle in his first four years really warranted that contract.

So I thought that was a smart move for them to let him walk in free agency. So overall, you speak of Kevin's dad's star pupil. Oh, that's right. favorite people. So I do want to point out just a general general overview of Seahawks fandom, which is that Danny Kelly's said that the Seahawks are winners because they didn't get wrangled into the worst trade of all time.

That's the baseline. They didn't randomly trade Russell Wilson for the 20th pick in this year's draft plus a couple other picks. But my favorite thing was in that Dan Patrick Packer, three first round picks, a second and third, and two starters. Like what, what starters exactly? It was defensive starters. Like, what starters are we talking about here?

Yeah. Well, someone floated that that Killow Mac was one of them, which would have made it somewhat more palatable. But no, I mean, it was. No, it would not. They're going to be picking late every year. Like, it just didn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense from multiple different angles.

What were the CSOX going to do with Colomac and no quarterback? Go back to the, like, 2011. 11 season where Tavares Jackson was starter and they were seven to nine and, you know, burgeoning defense, terrible offense. That would have been what we'd see. You know what, DK, maybe I was a little too like nice to the Texans. Maybe they weren't too, but you're being, like the Seahawks getting credit for not treading Russ.

It's like giving Dr. Evil credit in Austin Powers because he decided not to like nuke the entire earth. Like it's like, I'm sorry to make some destructive decision. Did he just said, did Dr. didn't Dr. Evil, I mean, wasn't, didn't Austin Powers put a stopped to that? Yeah, well, he changed his mind. It was his plan and then he changed his mind. That's like the Rust trade. Who's Austin Powers in this scenario? Danny, Danny Kelly? No, he's Dr. Reed. I don't know. I don't know. Ryan Pace. Kevin, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan Pace is.

I want a henchman X. Let me defend myself on that because this is something that everybody's been talking about on a daily basis for the past like month. On the Seahaw or in real life? trade in NFL media. Okay. Are the CS going to trade Russell Wilson? Bears made a very strong push. It's been in the news every single fucking day for last month. The fact they didn't end up doing it, I think is a win. You have to give them credit. Maybe you're just credit. That's okay. I'm happy. I'm not, look, I'm not, maybe I'm not applauding John Schneider for not doing the stupidest move ever. I'm just saying they are winners because they didn't do this stupid move. Well, we already named Kevin as the Seattle GM. So Kevin's the winner. Congratulations, Kevin. Okay. I just think,

I just think we've lowered the bar for a winner. ever here. That's exactly what happened. That's the problem, though. Go around the league, man. It's tough sledding out there. All right. My next winner, I got the chargers because they're protecting Justin Herbert.

You mentioned before the Warren Buffett investing advice. There's also like a good tidbit. I picked up Scott Galloway, who's like a marketing professor at NYU Stern. And he's just like, I love investing in boring companies because all the sexy companies with cool ideas are the ones that like screw you and like get you to come in and don't make you anything. boring sometimes like really important things are boring to hear about you know what's boring is the offensive line so maybe i'm doing like my little maze impersonation here but the off the charges

offensive line was last and run blocking for pro football focus last year and they and herbert was the second most pressured quarterback like that's a terrible combination and so they come out and they sign cori lindsley to really pretty reasonable two years 26 million dollars and they sign matt feeler away from the steelers for like two years and like 50 million dollars now you got a center now you got a guard, I mean, Philae can play guard or tackle. You got your right tackle on Brian Belaga. And there you go. And you can draft a tackle in the draft in April because there's a lot of tackles going around. And now you have an offensive line. And they didn't have one before. And

they have Herbert. Everyone loves her, but he's cheap. This is what you spend your money on is protecting Herbert. I think that that's absolutely huge. And there will be zero headlines about it because the Chargers signing offensive linemen is the most boring sentence I can think of. Signing the O line is like investing in Coca-Cola or railroads. I actually don't know the answer. Are either of the those a good investment right now? Probably not anymore. I think for the 20th century. Probably not anymore. Probably not anymore. I'm talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm talking like these are Warren Buffett's like he invested in insurance companies, Coke, railroad. There's a whole town in Florida where everybody's a millionaire because they got, they were early investors in Coke. Do you know that the, one of the former heads of Coca-Cola tried to get like infrastructure? Like he wanted every family in America of like a Coca-Cola faucet to come into their home. It's like a thing that like goes around. Yeah, they have they have. They wanted irrigation for Coca-Cola.

It's like a utility of Coke. Yeah, they wanted to be a utility. That's exactly what. They wanted to be- I will say, just to close the loop in my earlier point, I think that there's a lot of cities in Florida where Coke is the main business,

but different types. I love that. I mean Coca-Cola. I meant Coca-Cola. Yeah. It's it. Again, And I believe there's railroad's all over Florida, too.

So I don't know as far as businesses go. Like, I think North Florida has a lot of railroad business as well. What about alligator removal, putting them in that lake? That sounds like pretty lucrative too. I think that that industry is over. I think that they're settled now. Well, you're telling me that there's no guy? Like, there's like no license, but it's just the guy you keep calling and just shows up

and move your alligators? You can call the government and they'll help you. I feel like there's a guy with a pickup truck and some like really thick steel gloves. and he will move your alligator if you give them a call. So the secret to alligators in general is that obviously their jaws close down at a very rapid speed, but they don't open very well.

So if you get, if you just like, you can clamp an alligator's jaw shut pretty easily from what I understand. I've never done it. That's kind of like pass rushers because you get them when they're extended and like,

you can take an alligator out of a game pretty easily, is what we're saying. You can scheme that up. You can scheme that up. That's why length and reach matters so much. Okay. That's why Florida State basketball might go for in the tournament. All right.

High fits to respond to your pick, though. I actually had the Chargers on a short list of other teams that I like to. And this kind of goes to a point that I think a lot of people make every year is like the teams that you don't really hear about doing anything earlier. Early on in free agency are the ones that win. You know what I mean? Like they end up being the winners, which clearly goes against my Patriots pick a little bit. but the chargers were quiet. You know, the list of moves is like there's three moves they've made, essentially.

But I think they're all smart moves, and it makes them better. And so I'm with you on that. I think protecting, you know, protecting the quarterback long term, really good quarterback is an important thing to do. So kudos to them for that. On that note, it seems doing nothing. My last winner for free agency is the Ravens, because they made basically one move. They signed Kevin Ziegler from the Giants, which was upsetting for me personally.

But this is, again, very boring. But they signed a guard who they needed a guard and the interior offensive line because the Ravens line was not great. But instead of paying a lot of money for Joe Tuny or paying a lot of money for another guard, they get Zeepler who, long story short, doesn't count against them for compensation picks. It is not worth explaining that. But long story short, they basically are now going to pick up maybe like a third round pick for Matt Judon instead of if they had signed Joe Tini.

So they basically got Zitler and a third round pick and not touching maybe a fourth rounder for Janik and Gokwe. And like, he might even be better than Joe Tuny in this year. Like, you don't know. And especially, it's just so random with offensive lines sometimes in terms of sometimes, you know, who gets hurt who's not. Obviously, Tunis been durable. But I just think it was a really good signing for them.

So I know it's really boring, but the Ravens just picked up a couple picks. Like with these other teams signing their players away, still filled the same position. Yeah, they also, they also re-sign a few of their defensive linemen, Justin Ellis, Tice Bowser, Derek Wolf. You know, again, quiet moves that you, adding, depth of the defensive line or keeping their depth to defensive line. I think it's important. But my eyes plays over one wherever we discuss compensatory.

So we can move on unless Kevin, you have a serious big thought on Kevin Ziller. I have no, I just thought it was solid. It was fine. I don't have any big thought. Dekha, who's your last winner for free agency? All right. So I kind of waffle between three different teams here.

I'm going with the San Francisco 49ers because I think keeping Trent Williams is big for them, for their identity, for what they want to do. you know, Kyle Shanahan, for all the buzz that he gets as like a defensive genius, like they're a run game oriented, you know, which is kind of goes against like modern past first offenses and everything that's so sexy right now about past first offenses this year, or this in this era. He's a very much like a smash mouth, run the ball, you know, play balance football, all that stuff. They signed Trent Williams, who probably was the best left tackle in the game last year. It's a pricey deal. But I think it was one that they needed to do and a move they

needed to make to kind of really solidify what they want to do on offense overall. So signing him was great. I think Alex Mack, you know, perfect fit for them at center. He's getting older too, but like at the same time, you know, I think they see themselves as a team that can compete for a Super Bowl again this year. We're one year removed from them being in the Super Bowl. Last year is just disastrous injury situation. So, you know, solidifying their offensive line.

I think that was really smart of them. They re-signed Jason Verrett for a one year, $5.5 million. which felt like another bargain. I think he's just trying to bet on himself again, you know, wait until next year when the cap explodes and trying to make more money then. Emmanuel Mosley they resigned.

I didn't love the Kyle Usecheck signing. Like, again, he's, who are they competing against here? I don't really understand that, but he's an important piece of like the scheme that they're trying to make, trying to use. So I think that was good.

And then DJ Jones resigned another interior defensive linemen to him to bolster that the depth there. So I thought overall, Like it wasn't like a super, super flashy free agency so far. But I like what the 49ers have done. I think they add strength to a strength by, you know, making those offensive line moves.

And to me, they got better in free agency. And even though they didn't like do a ton of different stuff. Did you like the Trent Williams signing, Kevin? Yeah, I loved it. You had to do it. You had to do it. He was going to reach free agency. He had a no tag provision.

Everything. If you want to see, we've seen this so many times, but if you want to see a position that we don't talk enough about, wait until you see a team lose a tackle like Trent Williams and see what that does to the offense.

So totally in favor of it. I'm good with the money that they spend because they had to do it. I also think that this is all, if it ends up going this way, there's a real chance they cut Jimmy Garoppolo or trade him away and then have either a rookie quarterback step in

or make some kind of a deal. Yeah, I think that's entirely possible. If they cut Garapolo, they can save 23 of the $26 million dollars they owe him. And if they could move for either, whether it's Sam Darnold or I don't know, maybe even a Mac Jones. I don't know. What's that growl? You don't think it's going to happen? I'm just saying it would take a lot for them to be set a quarterback. I don't think it's, I don't, I don't think that the Niners would roll the dice with Mac Jones next year. I think Darnel was a

possibility. But I don't think, I don't think a, a not top five rookie quarterback would be. I think that Donald is better than Jimmy G do you think I'm crazy? I don't think you're crazy I haven't seen a lot of evidence for it but I certainly you know Diana Rossini was on Riscilla last night

and she was talking about how the guys who were at Donald's Pro Day were just blown away at how talented he was and that's still the prevailing thought in the league and I talk to guys who talk about that too just about how much promise

that Sam Donald still has and he's been in a really crappy situation and I think that you know there's a reason that the hypothetical what would have happened if Patrick Holmes was on the Jets and coached by Adam Gase because it would have been really ugly. And I think you need a Sam Darnold

in a Kyle Shanahan offense to sort of figure it out. I just wouldn't put a ton of capital into trying to acquire Sam Darnold and finding out. Just because, again, there's not a huge paper trail at the NFL level. Here's just the static you coming back to whenever I think of the 49ers. Here's the list of just quarterbacks,

most passing yards ever for their first 16 starts. Not like in one season, but the first 16 starts they made. For most ever is Patrick Mahomes. Number two is Nick Mullins. Who they just cut. Three is Andrew Luck. Four is Kurt Warner. Wow.

That's the Mount Rushmore of most passing yards through the first four starts. And so I kind of look at it. Nick Mullins basically did that while Jimmy was injured. And like, if that is possible, why is Jimmy getting $26 million? And I kind of feel like if Sam Donald's making $5 million this, year. And even the raise would still go to 20 next year. I think that Darnel's ceiling is higher than Jimmy G.

And I think that he's better than Nick Mullen. Nick Mullins can do that. Why can't Sam Darnel do that? And more. I think that's fascinating. But I kind of, I, I mean, are you advocating? Are you advocating for Nick Mullins to be, to be QB1? Yeah. What I'm saying is he's better than Andrew Luck.

He's a generational prospect. That's how it should have gone down. My question, though, with all these hypotheticals is, is a Guy like Darno are going to come in and immediately, like, function efficiently in Shanahan's system. That's fair. Because it took Matt Ryan, I see a full season before he became the MVP guy that he was, you know, with Shanahan, the second season with Shanahan. So that's sort of something I have to factor into, like, the math of everything is does San Francisco see themselves bringing in a new quarterback and immediately hitting the ground running or did they find it?

Again, like I said before, I think they see them see. themselves as Super Bowl contenders this year. So I don't know if they're willing to bet on that. I think I kind of agree with Kevin here. Like it would be a big gamble to give the keys of the offense to someone that hasn't been in it. Okay. That's fair. I mean, I do.

I want to see it happen. I want to see Darnold go to 49ers, but I'm not convinced that they do it quite yet. Are there any of their winners you want to shout out? Any of their teams just notably just liked what they did. So I think the bills have had a. solid run of it so far. Nothing's flashy, but again, they re-signed Matt Milano, re-signed Darrell Williams, right tackle, guard,

John Feliciano, like shoring up their offensive line. Just, again, not, it's a railroad, investing in railroads of free agency, but I'll get a removal. Yeah, yeah, alligator removal. But I think overall, you know, adding Emmanuel Sanders, you know, he's not like a number one type guy, but a good veteran presence there. So I think, yeah, overall what they've done is good. And then the chiefs getting Joe Tuny and then Kyle Long, you know, kind of shore up what they've got going on in free agency, I think, was solid.

But then you also have to kind of factor in the fact that they cut both of their tackle. So I don't know if that's just lateral movement for them. So I would say they kind of like fall. They're like honorable mention. But I do like I like the the Thuney signing or Tooney. And Kyle Long, that's very intriguing. If he can get back to like what he was playing before we retired, that could be huge for them. I just want to say Union Pacific appears to be the biggest railroad company in America,

and their stock is about double what it was in 2017, 2018. So I think it is a good investment. Wow. There we go. If you got in early, I don't know if you want to get in right now. Most of what I learned, don't buy high. Most of what I learned about railroad investing is from Monopoly. And just that was always like my mom would always make sure to get the railroads and monopoly

if we played. She always wanted all for it. That was like an easy trade to make. Maybe she's like the Seahawks. I could just trade her some mid-round picks just for the railroads. All right. Well, this pot is getting off the rail. So, unless did you guys,

did you want to hit any, any other losers here? I got a couple losers. I want to talk about some losers for sure. Let's go. What are the lions doing? My question. In general or?

What would you say you're doing here? So I think I kind of included the fact that they lost Matt Stafford. I know this doesn't really count as free agency, but like they I took in my mind they did a huge downgrade of quarterback um I don't think they're one jabal williams signing away from being a contender so I don't really understand that versus just like picking up a guy in and rookie free agency um the Tyrell williams signing felt a little rich like just bring back Marvin Jones maybe he just didn't want to go back to Detroit but um you know whatever and then Josh Hill the what I did like the Romeo orquaro

I think that was a solid deal. So like that one I'm not, you know, picking nits with or poo-pooing. But I think overall, like what the lions are, the lions look to me like they're going to be terrible. And nothing they've done has changed my opinion of that. So I would say they were one of the losers, you know, just of this general week. So I just want to point out lions are actually one of the least successful hunters in the entire animal kingdom. They only like get like a kill and like 15% of their hunts. And I think it's extremely relevant about.

the Detroit Lions. Just throwing that out there. Listen, the lions are kind of blowing it up a little bit. I think the Jared Doff thing, because he's starting, it probably obscured the fact that they're doing a total tear down

because they actually have a plan, plan being a huge quotation marks of quarterback. They made a nine-minute tribute video to Matt Stafford, which is a little long. That's long. It's a long tribute video. But listen,

they got smart people there. I like their staff general, Holmes who came from L.A. as their GM, seems like a smart dude. So I think that there's a plan there. I just kind of think, like with the Jaguars here, like they're just, you know, they're going to spend a little bit to kind of establish a culture or whatever, but this is, this is a long game here. Well, it's a experiment of like, we're bringing football guys. It's all like former players and the coaching staff. From the top on down, it just seems to be like, we're going to be football smash mouth. I mean, it's not even about analytics. It's just

about like toughness is at the core. And at least they have an idea of what they want to be. I kind of like that. I kind of like that. When you're establishing a culture, I kind of like actually establishing the culture instead of just flailing and making weird signing. So I'm, I'm okay with it.

It's good to have a plan. I think that we've, this is a take. I think that we've now, uh, we now underrate toughness in football. I agree. I think you're right about that.

I, it is at the end. of the day, an extremely physical sport that relies on a lot of and again, this word is loaded here. But it's, I do think that you do need some grit here. I say this is someone who writes about analytics all

the time. Grit and toughness are important. I think you're right, honestly. Like, like, especially the rarest thing with football is long term planning. And if you're going to actually get the chance to like build a culture in a long term, you want to have an identity. And that's

I think is actually, to me, the most disappointing thing about what the Raiders did, because Gruden, when he's handed a 10-year deal for $100 million, is you get, what no one else gets is what's your long-term vision without worrying about your short-term job security? And he kind of hasn't really built an identity for that Raiders team. He just threw, he paid a bunch of premium prices to fill holes in the roster, and those solutions didn't even fix the problems. Like, those holes are still holes in the roster, and they still have no identity. So as much as, like, the Twitter clips of Dan Campbell on.

going around of like the Lions press conference and he's like we're going to bite kneecaps phrasing it's not the best it wasn't like the best way to put it but i do appreciate that attitude and honestly players like that it is important and so you know maybe there's a better way to like handle the media but i do think that that it does really matter we'll see if they can actually build a team around that though there's difference between saying it and then building a team intelligently around that idea you can't as as the old stand-up between goes you can't build the entire plane out of grit. But if you're going to, if you're going to eat,

eat crap in your first year and you know you're going to go five and 11, you might as well try to establish some sort of, some sort of culture for at least the young guys. And speaking of grits, Kevin, you're from the south, so you know grits. You know the scene of my cousin Vinnie where they're talking about instant grits versus like real grits, which take like 20, 25 minutes to make, like soak and then make it with bar none. Grit in real life is kind of similar.

You can't just get instant grit. It does take years for a team to, like, build grit and, like, you have to go through, like, cliche alert trials and tribulations and adversity, and then you get there. But it's real. Do you think that people can learn grit? And can you have a little bit of grit?

Or are you just, are you born with grit and you're 100% gritty? 100% gritty. No, I think that's a really good question. I think, you know, you know, you know what informed me about grit is, like the old Ravens defense, right? Like guys like Ed Reed. Like Ed Reed to me,

like I would sign Ed Reed. I know he didn't have a great end of career kind of bouncing around situation. Like I want Ed Reed in my locker room at all times to establish a culture. Like that's grit guy to me. And I feel like Ed Reed was born with grit and had it full bore.

Right? Like it was never like at 13, when Ed Reed was 13, he was not like, I'm going to work on my grit this summer. I mean, I think tough times, Tough times don't last, but tough people do. I think that's fair. That gets really good.

So the Seahawks used to be very into grit. Like it was like a huge part of their program. Yeah. Angela Duckworth. They brought an Angela Duckworth to speak. She wrote a book on grit. And I believe, you know, in researching kind of like how they look at it and everything, I believe that Duckworth even wrote this like it's timely because it's almost like

being inoculated. They even use the verb or like the term Anoculated with grit. It's something that you have to, to me it's like grit comes from having an experience, learning to get through that experience and make like, it's not like working hard. There's a difference between working hard and having grit.

You know, you have to have, this is like the CX, just for one example. It's like they've, you know, sort of looked for guys that have had to get through difficult situations in their life, whether that means their living situation, having gone through tragedy in their life, things like that, that these guys have been able to, they've been inoculated by these tough times,

essentially. I think it's fascinating. I don't know, like, 100%, you know, if it really works. I think it's like Kevin says, it's not everything, but it is one of those things where, like, when times start being, when times start going poorly for you or on your team or whatever, if like really, something really hard, you know, having that experience of getting through a really hard situation and coming out, you know, better for it in the end. I think that's like what a lot of teams are looking for, these guys that are just going to endure and, you know, not have little things like kind of push them off course. So I don't know. I think it's fascinating. But again, like Kevin said, it's not everything.

You can't just build a team that's gritty and they're automatically going to be good. Are you saying that it's just going to trade Russell Wilson for Dan Campbell? I think I'm kidding It makes a good point though Like there's a generational thing here too Right like I'm 26 You guys are in your 30s And even just in that little gap

There is like a question of And I think this hangs over a lot of the player empowerment thing Of the flip side to like A lot of these trade requests in NBA And NFL of players wanting out of situations Is also about is this about controlling your destiny And I think that some older people do look at this as Are you just not willing to sit through the tough times

and you just move on to the next thing when you face a little diversity. And I do think a lot of older people look down on that. And I think that it's not the whole situation, but there's certainly a nugget of truth in that. I think that there's like an interesting generational rift that is a part of the broader culture and that it just extends the sports like it does everything else. I don't know, man.

I think I value grit and toughness and all that stuff, but I still think that, like, Russell Wilson should have a say and how his team operates or whatnot. It's not binary. Yeah. Yeah, it's not an either-or thing. Like I can still just be like, man, Jack Easterby is an idiot,

but I can also be like, toughness is good. Jack, I don't think Jack Easterby is trying to preach toughness. I think he's trying to preach Jack Easterby. What, you didn't like his stand-up routine? God.

Jack, he didn't have you rolling over? Those Jack Easterby videos are not good. The most annoying part of that, the whole thing, other than just the entire thing, was that he was like, yeah, dude,

we're going to catch some waves at night, which is everyone goes surfing in the morning. No one goes surfing at, like, eight o'clock at night. Have you gone surfing high fits? no my friends they've been trying to get me the boards are expensive dude also you have to get up at like four in the morning it's cold anyway maybe i'll go surfing on that alligator lake you can take me wakeboarding or something okay all right i think that's all we got thank you dk thank you kevin for coming on thank you to all those alligator people keeping everyone safe thank you to the stokes for hiring kevin his gm and thank you everyone for listening this is the big board on the nfl show and we will see you guys next friday