The Ringer-Verse - 2024 Naughty & Nice List: Ryan Reynolds, X-Men ’97, and Star Wars | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

The Boys fill you in on all things 2024, giving you their naughty and nice list of the year (06:01). Then, they react to breaking ‘Star Wars’ casting news (1:27:43). Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Jonathan Kermah Producers: Aleya Zenieris, Jonathan Kermah, and Steve Ahlman Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right, Steve will be back with us next week. Kerm is in for Steve right now. We love Steve. And because we don't have Steve. And Steve loves Skelton Crews so much. Yeah. We are going to wait until Steve is back with us. Yep.

So that he can take part in the discourse and the conversation around Skeleton. Yeah, we didn't want to cheat y'all and it'd only be a couple of us. So just give us a week. But we got some fun for us. Kerm fucking hate skeleton crew I'm not a Star Wars nigger, man. So the reality is that he was like, I don't want to really talk about it.

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What the fuck? Yeah, man, Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. The Great Circle. A great circle. So what kind of game is? Is it like uncharted? Like, what's the, how's it goes? It's like a mix of like first person and third person.

So you climb third person. But you are first person. You're solving puzzles. You're running around, climbing stuff. It's, I'm playing it. It's not, it's interesting. I'm having a solid time so far. Yo, would you?

Somebody gets there. What this shit away? Bro, you're swinging that thing. It's all up in their shot. This is crazy. Yeah, believe that shit. All right. Next week, we'll be back with our,

our Instagram Reactions to Skeleton Group episodes three and four. But on today's show, Charles. All right, we're doing something to celebrate the holidays. It's called naughty. Nice. Got to think twice. Each one of us has, Hey, bro, come on, bro.

You're trying to get my dark. Come on, bro. Okay, I apologize. guys. Nauty nights. Got it think twice. Y'all, I'm cable with this motherfucking nerf-man. I'm sorry.

Got it on you, man. You know what's going to happen? I'm just going to hear to tell y'all right now. For Christmas, I'm getting everybody on the show Nerf guns. Okay. Hell of you. And we're going to do a nerve gun theme episode where we shoot each other over bad takes.

See, that's all going to be like, that's enough of the midnight, boys. Get their motherfuckers out of here. Anyway, back to the schedule of programming. It's all fun and games to all leg. gets hit by accident or something. Like, we don't need that. Why late?

Arjuna, anybody. Don't make it a thing. You barely get on a show. You already. Cancel me. Cancel me, apparently. Cancel me. Nottie Nice, got to think twice.

Not really any rules, but we stipulated, as long as it's in the nerd ecosystem, it could be movies, TV, actors, directors, execs, streaming services, whatever. Everything's game. We're going to do.

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He's going to get us into the game. We're getting ready to talk about all things. 2024. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right. So I don't know if I should go nice first. This is the first.

This was the hard. artist categories for me. Of course it was. But, you know, I'll start with this. It brings a twinkle to my eye every time I, you know, I walk into a bookstore, Barnes and Nobles, and I see the comic book section. And smaller and smaller each year. And you see the manga section, the anime section.

Wow. Boom. So let me ask you question. Where do you go when you see this? Bookstores everywhere. No, no. But what was the bookstore that you named? Well, Barnes & Noble is the one that is the most...

Okay. You changed it. You said Nobles. This is how I know this is a nigger right here. It's Barnes and Noble. Not Barns and Nobles. And Chuck said, go back to you. Chuck said,

Barnes and Nobles. That's how we do it. That's how we say. Wait, is it Auntie Ans or Ony Annys? It's Auntie Anis. Yes. Wait, wait, can I ask you this? I was at a party.

And, like, somebody knew that I was like, oh, I write about music sometimes or whatever. They're like, oh, what type of genres do you? Like, jazz, rap? I'm like, Wow. Wow. I'm like, what you y'all could have?

You should have went along with it. I love Jazz. Let me tell you about Kenny G. Okay, so you like the fact that manga is growing and American comic books are dying. Yeah, here's a thing, man. Jesus Christ. It's just been a great year for the ecosystem. JJK.

Wrapped up beautifully, you know what I'm saying, My Hero Academia, Kagrabachi out there. We got fear in this year, Don to Dawn. losing heroines. It's, here's the thing. Losing heroines? Man, Mayor, you don't peak? You don't know anything about this. You don't know nothing about any of this.

All I'm telling you guys, it's something that I've been saying for a long time is helping with this. I'm telling you, the girls on Twitter that pretending they like anime. They're not pretending. This is so misogynistic.

They're not pretending. Because this is what they used to do back in the day when like, you know, Shard was like, oh, I like the Avengers and be like, Name five Avengers. Like, nah, bro. Meg the Stallion don't like anime like that.

Yes, she does. Yes, she does. She absolutely does. I don't think she's. Blue box is fire, too. Blue box? Blue box is fire, man. Okay.

So, so anime is on the upswing. It is, it really is having a big cultural. This is actually what it does make me sad about being real. I'll be seeing the kid. You don't be seeing kids reading Spider-Man no more. They're reading Demon Slayer. They read a Naruto. It's good for them.

It's good for them. But it's not for us, you know. Why? I don't make a dollar of which one they fuck it. Like, like, they, they read. I hope the Spider-Man goes on and becomes, but it's, read, what's, what's his name, Naruto? No, no.

You don't know Naruto? I know who he is, but he, I don't know. Who is Naruto? He's a, okay, so, Naruto wears like a jumpsuit. No orange one? Oh, yeah. Can you actually, can you name five anime characters? Off the top of the end.

Does Dragon Ball Z count? Yes. Absolutely. That's easy. So then I got trunks. You know trunks? Yeah. Trunks.

Cell. Okay. Treza. Maj and Boo. Oh. Goku. Boomer. Oh.

Did I say Vegeta already? No. You got it? Vegita. Broly. That's all I know. It's not Broly or Broly. Is it Broly or Broly?

It's Broly? No, no. No, no. I said it. I've never heard. wrong. What was the one, and at the end, the one that was, that, that, that Goku had to go Super San 4 to defeat?

That's Dragon Ball Getsy. That's not canon. That's not, oh, for real? Well, I mean, not to me. Not to hell. Goku never went Super Sam 40, but he looked like the 8th. The only canon is Super Sam 4. Like, well, they're Super Saian 1, 2, 3, blue, God, which is red, and then ultra

instant. So, wait a minute. So how did they just make a whole thing and it's not canon? Because you're talking. That's all of comics. No, I mean, some of the stuff, whatever. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, here's the thing. Dragon Ball GT was never like a manga.

It's not really canon. They just made a TV show. They just made a TV show. Oh, and now there's like Dragon Bowl, like, super. They went back and they're like, actually. None of that happened. We making something new for y'all. Right, okay, cool.

All right. Well, you know way more about anime than I thought, bro. I know way more about Dragon Ball Z because I had a whole phase. But, like, anime, I don't know that much about anime besides that. Is Akira anime? Yes. The Kira is anime. So I watch Akira, but, like, other than that, is not that much anime out.

A little bit of the guy with the guts. Berserk? Berserk is good. A little bit of... You never got into Bleach. Not really, man. I don't think, man. I feel like for somebody like you, Bleach is a good call.

Full metal Alchemist. Full metal Alchemist. That's something you would have watched. Right. You know, but... Here's the thing, though, I can see, like, I can see Van watching some of these. And, you know, you get some of the characters and Mr. Popo coming on screen, and you're like, Blackface is crazy.

Oh, yeah. You know, like, sometimes I'll be watching it. I'm like, damn. Let it go. It's Trump's America. That's insane. It's like, let it go. Oh, my God.

No, we're going to do. We just go, we're going to focus on joy, man. We're going to fight our battles, but we're going to fight them. We're going to fight them. Well, we also, we're just going to. have fun because who knows how long America got. Kerm, what you got for nice, brother? Obviously, you know, it might be a little predictable.

I got to go with X-Men 97 as a whole. Sorry, brother. I know how you feel about it. I will say that's not who you had on your naughty list before we started this. When we get to the naughty list, maybe it'll come up. We'll see. All right. But we're going to talk about the show.

We're talking about the show. That's it. Just the show. Just the show itself. I'm going to be honest with you. The original X-Men show didn't do it for me. So I was going into this very hesitant, but from episode one, just the boosted animation style, the battles and all that went crazy. I feel like all the X-Men really got there shining the show, except for Storm.

I didn't like the Storm storyline. I wish they stretched out her not having her powers and also followed the canon of, you know, storm-beaten Cyclops in a 1v-1, no powers. But other than that, that's a great show. I think it's the best Marvel product we got this year. So that's my pick. They had to nerve her because they established her as well. and a lot of problems in the show

she'd have been able to fix them. That's not my problem. My problem is how quickly it was like, oh, she lost her powers, now she got them back. We didn't get the whole arc of her proving that she's still the leader without the powers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we didn't have it with like the Morlocks, kicking ass, leading the team, all that shit. So it's out there with Forge. Forge just putting the moves on her. She was like, I got things to do it. What they did do a great job in the X-Man 97 of

was condensing stories, but still giving you the meat of them. Exactly. Because a lot of those stories ran many, many issues. They were whole sagas. But what you pulled out of them at the end, the big parts of them, I feel like X-Men 97 still got them right and left people who were uninitiated. Like Kalika hadn't seen any of that stuff. But she felt like she knew what was going on and how the characters were supposed to feel. Yeah, they didn't dumb it down for anybody, I think, is how I would see it. And then just to mellow drama of it all.

Like, we say they, they, they said back in the day when they were making, it was kind of like a soap opera. And the show felt like that with, uh, Madeline and Scott and Jean. And then, poor Gambit, man. Poor Gambit. That love triangle with her, Magneto and Gambit. And then, um, Logan and Gene, like the whole, it was so messy. I loved it. I was like, that was so much fun.

Do you guys think that with X-Men 97? because basically every single X-Men thing, it seems like that we've gotten in the MCU. He's so indebted to that. Like, we had Dr. Strange, Professor X coming out, then we had Beast in the Marvels, very heavily influenced on eight beasts from the TV show and all that shit.

Do you guys feel like by the time we get the movies, they're like, this is just going to be X-Men 97 live action? Or do you think people are like, no, we actually want something completely radically different? I think X-Men 97 was important for Marvel to test what type of audience reaction they would get if the X-Men were done right. Because you have to remember something here.

We are coming off of 20 years of X-Men content, right? Going back to the year 2000. Most of it, like, most of it, but a lot of it good. A lot of it good, right? A lot of it good. And so for them trying to figure out what type of appetite the X-Men actually have in the MCU was very important.

I'm not saying that they did this in some point. purpose. But I'm saying it was important as a gauge for them because it's been clunky as fuck the way they've brought the X-Men in. And really sometimes when you see the X-Men on screen, we've only seen Beasts and we've seen Wolverine now. It hasn't really done, I think, what they wanted it to do. But X-Men 97 did. But I mean, Deadpool and Wolverine did. Like, that part of my fears, I'm like, now that that hit, it's just like obviously they're not going to let go of Reynolds or Jackman, but there were some choices in that.

Like, we finally got the Wolverine mask this year, and I was just like, it didn't look great. It didn't look great. So, like, that is the thing that I think they're going to have to balance is, like, there's things that, to your point,

that we've always wanted it to see on screen, that the films can never reach. And some of the stuff we've gotten in live action, I'm like, damn. But here's the thing, a lot of that stuff is just like, like fan boy horseshit, right? It is.

Because, like, X, right. One thing that, you know, Wolverine and Deadpool gets right is, and it's not a perfect movie. It was a very fun movie to watch. It's very rewatchable. I was about to say, I watched it recently. It's very rewatchable. It's a very fun movie to watch. But one thing that it gets right is giving you different iterations of Wolverine and saying,

you didn't really want this, right? You didn't really want him. You don't want Henry Cavill as Wolverine. No, it wasn't that bad. And you also don't want a comic accurate five-foot-three Wolverine. That's where I got to chime in. I think that was Hayton. I still want to see the short king shine.

That's all I'm saying. Stand up for the people? I'm six-five. We're not doing that. We will not be doing that today. You don't, like, the changes that movie people sometimes make is because they understand how movie audiences consume movies. And so when you finally got your Wolverine mask,

it wasn't great because how the fuck was it supposed to look? You've seen the guy's face for 20 years. The mask doesn't really move. It's something that works in comic books and maybe doesn't work as well in live action. But I will say, like, it would be cooler. Like, when Hugh Jackman was doing all the, like, actually fighting, like, Wolverine stuff,

it looked cool in a vacuum, but there was a level of them like, no, this would look cooler if a short dude did it because I'm like, Hugh Jackman, his tall jackdass. I'm just like, this is a grown man running on all four. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, maybe. Maybe they'll find, you know, who knows?

Like, maybe it'll work. Wait, my other question, do you think that they're going to go? It's for curve. Everyone. Do you guys think with the X-Men films or TV shows or whatever, they're going to try to make stars? Or do you think that they're doubling down on, like, we need a Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman, level person? we don't trust that either we can make or we don't trust people a new

like are they going to go the euphoria route where they're just like we're going to try to pick a bunch of teens and kids and we're going to turn them in this. Remember when they were trying to cast a Fatasafor? And they were like, we want young people. We want people that can grow up in this world. And then the casting came out, Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby. You know what I'm saying?

People that we've heard from them and we know their work. I think they're going to go a similar route. It might not be, you know, 40-year-olds or 30-year-olds, but it might be 20-year-olds that we know. I don't think Shalame is coming. He's not doing no superhero stuff. But there are young actors and young actors not there. You can't see me, Sweeney's super fun.

Madeline Khan, come on down. You are Shadow Cat. It depends on where the MCU is at the time that the movies come out. Because remember, we think of Zendaya as being Zendaya and Zendaya. She wasn't Zendaya when... Spider-Man first comes out. To who? She wasn't.

Like, she's, right now, might be the most bankable actors. I weren't watching KC. undercover. Right. That's what I know. But what I'm saying is, but you get, or even Tom Holland, right?

There's room in the X-Men franchise for actors that are like that. These are people who are proven talents, but not proven stars. There's room for that. But if the MCU is struggling and they need to get their X-Men shit off, you're not going to get that.

Well, because we have cap coming up and we have Thunderbolts, and I think those are both, those are two movies where it's like, Anthony Mackey just yet does not have the same wattage as Chris Evans had towards the end of his run. Well, the middle to end of his run.

Thunderbolts, there's great actors in Thunderbolts. None of them I would call people that could really, really sell a movie. Florence few can't sell a movie? Not really. No, she's great. I love Florence, but not yet. She's enough to make you be interested in the film.

But remember, Marvel's never really needed that. No, no, in the beginning. I think they've started to like... They started to do it now because my thing is this, they're in scramble mode now. And it depends on how long that lasts. Okay. If that lasts for an extended amount of time,

like obviously we'll talk about it. Like, next year is a big year for them. If that lasts for an extended amount of time, then you'll see them continue. you to take big swings with established talent until they get to where they're going. But if not, it's just a better

model to get talented actors, people who can actually play the roles that aren't as well known, that can establish themselves as these characters so we can see past, like, who's in them. So what's the at, like, the benchmark for that, like the official

breaking point. Is it, like, Fantastic Four Bussin? Like, that's just not, you know, it's a, it goes terrible in the box office, that would be the official mark of where it's... No, I think it's the Avengers. Like, I think everybody's like a fantastic... It's Fantastic Ford doesn't work. It is actually like emergency time. Like, I would be

like... Yeah. It's going to be bad. But I do think if you recast RDJ and that doesn't work, then I think people start being like, you know, like what's happening? Yeah. I mean, at that point, it might be Jover, but, you know, who knows?

Jummy, nice? My turn. Nice. You went with an animated show that we all loved except for one person. Going for a live action show that I know we all loved. Shogun. How nice. 2024. Just an amazing spectacle.

One of those shows that I wasn't, it wasn't on my radar at all. You hear people start talking after like two, three episodes. Like, all right, all right, all right. I'm going to tap in. And then you just sucked into that world. And for 10 weeks, I was there. Tuesday night, midnight. Give me my.

Give me. Give it to me. You know? I needed it. Yes. No, hey, no pause on that. I was all about it. I was all about it.

That show was fire. Hey. You know? Mariko sama. Man, my girl, Fujisama. You know what I'm saying? Like, those are my people. I was really rocking with it, you know?

And so that show, that's my nice for 2024. Just an incredible show. Which network would you say at the best year? Like, of TV shows, the streamers, whatever? What did you watch the most? It's a great question. It's like, that's really good. I mean, if I, I'll tell my head, you got Max, and then you have.

FX kind of killed it. There was show game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't, as the bear. People didn't, like, the whole season of the bear, but there was quality episodes with the bear. They rounded it out well. Yeah. You're not fucking with the bear this year?

I'm really honest with you. Actually, I shouldn't even be getting this takeoff. I stopped watching. I didn't finish the season. I just wasn't feeling it. And you don't have dropped off. Okay. If you didn't, if you didn't finish it, the last episode, it really ends on the house.

All right. I got to go back then. Right. Um, FX maybe. Disney Plus was strong. HBO kind of had a wonky year. I mean,

my number one is always going to be Paramount Plus. Oh, this line that's got, oh my God. Taylor Sherty. Come on.

Fuck out of here. Taylor Sherry to watch. Don't talk to Chris Ryan. Taylor Sherry. That's going to be my number one. Taylor Sheridan is. That stinks. The motherfucking.

Magic man. I heard, that was some close range. Damn. That's how I get this word of come. Oh, There you go. Yo, yes.

My appendix. To Jomi's point, as soon as he mentioned Shogun, you know what I thought? Oh, man, I want to rewatch it. Yeah. Because it was such, the show was such a time. Man.

It was. I haven't gone back to it. But as soon as you mentioned it, I thought, oh, man, I miss Shogun. This is, and this is funny when we were, like, coming up with this idea, we were all walking to lunch. And Kerman and I were trying to remember, like,

the superhero show. that came out this year, and you've kind of said something like this, what is it going to take for a lot of these shows to be more sticky? Where it's just like I can remember where I was when I was watching something like Shogun, where it's like a lot of the Marvel DC Star Wars show sometimes, I even forgot that we covered them this year. Not being like a dick or mean, just being like, I mean, there's some shows where I'm like, when I thought of the accolite,

I'm like, oh shit, the acolyte. I'm like, oh, shit, the acolyte was this year? It's just moments and stories, man. It's, I mean, the thing about, Shogun or any show like that is that there are stakes, there's intrigue, and, you know, then there's performances. And until the shows that we're covering

stop feeling like theme park rides, a theme park ride is, we've talked about this before you get on it, you know how things are going to go. You might not know how long it is. You might not know where the twists and turns are coming, but, you know, sometimes you ride the same ride after a while because you want the same experience. And, like, television shows can't really be like that, right?

You can't feel the same way to watch a different show every time you cut something on. I think they want us to feel that way, but that's not what we want. We want a unique feeling in the world that we're into. But it didn't always, like, there were moments with whether it was Loki and or Mando. We've gotten shows before where we're like, we've remembered the moments. We bring them up constantly. Those shows felt completely new, though. Mando felt like something you hadn't kind of really seen before.

Yeah. Loki felt like something you hadn't really seen before. You kind of didn't know much about the TVA. You kind of didn't know much. And Loki's such a charismatic character. Grogu is such a charismatic little being. Those shows all felt like something you hadn't seen before. Right now, they just won't quite commit to breaking new ground on some of this stuff.

Well, I think that's what Skelet 2 is trying to do, though. It's very much... I'm a loving Skeleton Group. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like they're very much... Scalding crew don't feel new? They're committing... Like we talked about this when we talked about...

It's going to into, too. They're committing to an idea. They're committing to a look, a feel, right? Goonies, 80s, you know, Lashkey kids, whatever. It may not feel new, but the fact that they're committing to this one overall goal, this one overall vision, I think, is... It's much better than, like, the mismatch. We've been getting since, like, Mando's Season 3, Bubafet, the Acoly.

You know, we're getting something that they know what they want to make, and they're making it. Y'all going to be mad at me if the Mando movie don't hit and Asoka Season 2 don't hit, we're going to have a talk about Faloni. Oh, you want to talk about Faloni? I mean, look.

No, no, no, there's nothing against Faloni. Like, he's a very, very talented individual. But I feel like there's been a lot this year where it's been like, Kathleen Kennedy's the problem. And I'm just like, it's not like the Faloni stuff that we've been getting the last couple of years. You got to score the basketball.

After a while, you got to score to basketball. You know, like, for example, Jomey loves DeAngelo Russell. You like him. He's at some good moments. You got to score the basketball. Yeah, that's what you did. Yeah, you almost at 30 last night.

Don't do that. I get it. I'm saying, I guess Portland. What's in the last good, phelone-verse entry? I'm going to say that Assookle was good.

Now, Osoca was uneven. Yeah. But if we're writing in in terms of good bat, Osoka was definitely more good than it was bad. I think it's closer to like fine to mid

than it is good. It had some good moments. Because we never, here's the thing, we don't do this a lot. We never bring up Assoc. We never go, remember that shit that happened on Asoka? Even on Ackleit, sometimes we were like, yeah, there was that one fight.

Like, there's not one moment in Assoca would be like, that was dope. Osoka had some really breathtaking moments, though. It did. The thing that happened. The world between worlds was cool. Yeah, that stuff was really good. I think the thing with a show is they really have to think about the finalies of shows

and how they leave people. These shows have finale problems. I get it, right? It would almost be better to leave the show too early than it would be to leave it too late. The Osuka finale was so bad. It was so piss poor. They missed on so much of it that I think the show can, kind of falls, the perception

of this show falls under that about how we left the show. Do you also think it's another thing? Because people complain about this is just a Disney Plus problem. This is an industry-wide problem. I think I would probably be a lot easier on these shows if I had trust

that they'd be around. Because how many great quality shows now had kind of like okay seasons. You go back to the first season of Seinfeld. It's not what it would end up becoming. It takes TV shows a while to like gain that momentum. And I feel especially when we're talking about $250, $300 million like superhero sci-fi shows, it's like if I fall in love with this thing, am I even sure that it's going to come back?

Even something arcane season two, which I loved, there was a problem where I was like, I had to wait years in between this. I mean, that's a streaming problem, I think. And we've talked about it a couple times. But also what it comes down to is they're not really like, like Netflix does this all the time. Like you said, to have a season, season one, season two, we'd be like, oh man, this show, fine, and then it's gone, it's gone, right?

It's money now. It's not much creatively. It's more like, how do we get more subscribers? How do we get people to, so we can bump up the stock price? That's all, that's what it's all about now. It's not about making or creating content for people to enjoy. It's like, how much, how can I get people to spend more money? And so essentially, you'll get a show, make six episodes, like, okay, cool.

Man, I want to see season two. I enjoyed it. Like, it didn't make more money. nobody subscribed to it with it's ultimately it's an algorithm now it's not creative list. Last question before we go to van do you guys think that some of the shows that we were like

well it wasn't whatever do you think if they dropped Assoca on Netflix or something like that people would be fucking with it like do you think there is a level of like because there's some shows on Netflix like here's this show from five like AP Bio is now like

that's a sitcom that no one was really watching now everybody's talking about Like, do you think there's a level of, like, if Echo was on Netflix, do you think more people would be like... Well, Netflix has such a wider reach that maybe Echo would be able to find an audience that doesn't exist on Disney Plus, but Echo is what Echo is. Yeah.

Like, you, I mean, a... No, I'm not saying it would be quality better, but do you think... People will fuck with it more. I mean, like I'm saying, there might be an audience on Netflix that doesn't exist on Disney Plus just because of sheer subscriber base. But, I mean, so it might take off, but I wouldn't mean that it was necessarily any better. I don't know.

So respect AP bias. I didn't watch it when it was on TV, but I did watch it on Peacock before I was on Netflix. It was fire. What is that show about? It's about, so Glenn Howardson plays a disgraced, I want to say, psych teacher or something. And he doesn't get his dream job,

so he has to come back to his hometown and teach AP Bio. And he's not a teacher. And so he's just messing around with the kids and, like, you know, and there's like other teachers. How much time you have on your hands, Joe? You always watch a shit that I'm like. I don't get a lot of fun. Man, all right.

What's your nice? What's your nice, man? My nice is the penguin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Very nice. Very nice. I was very. Very nice. I loved the show. I got to love the character of the penguin. Got to love a lot of the characters in the show.

Obviously, there was what you want from a show, which is a very important, like, culture-shaking twist that happens at the end. of it. You always want something to get the people talking. But more than anything, and I've said this before, the show had to legitimize itself. It had to be worth it being made, right? It was what we need a show about the penguin before. And it did. And it worked as a fantastic companion piece to the Batman, which is a show that I think that I appreciate a little bit more now that the penguin has come out. So my nice for this year is the penguin because it was unexpected. I didn't expect myself to like the penguin that much. Bubble chip.

What? Are you fucking with it? Bubble chip? Bubble chip. How so? I feel like shit has gotten so dire and shit got it so bad. Will you watch something like the penguin? You were like, well, damn, at least we got some talented.

Like, here's the thing. The penguin isn't poorly made. Like, you got real actors, real writers, real cinematography. Like, whether I liked it or not, like, there's like, I can see the quality on screen. I could see people trying. And I think we got to a point. where it was like the rest of the shit out here, effects not done,

actors like phoning it in half the time. It's not even the, people are in a mask. It's just the via all that shit. I think even if I didn't fuck with the penguin, I think it's just like in a more traditional year where there's more stuff to compare it to. I don't think like.

But we haven't had one of those years. My only thing about that is I can understand what you're saying. But I'll put Agatha in the bubble chips. But my respect, I guess, like, my only thing that, that what you're saying is, you're saying that the show had the craftsmanship that other shows don't have. And for some reason, you're holding that against the show. No, no, I'm not, I'm not holding it against the show. Like, I'm giving to the creators. I don't think that that, just for me personally, that doesn't make it a good show to me.

You know what I'm saying? Like, there's, like, a lot of rappers. Like, sometimes I'll, like, listen to, like, rap music where I'm just like, damn, they got the beat. Give me an example of somebody who can really rap and you don't fuck with. People gonna get really mad. Like, all right, perfect. From this year, she's so talented.

Like, so talented. Don't do it. All right, fine. Don't do it, bro. No, it's not a safe space. It's not a safe space. I know what you're going to say. Because everybody gets mad when I say it.

And it's like, I see your performances. I like, dope. See, like, just the creativity. Everything dope. But I put the dochi on my width. I'm like, I can't listen. Bro. Everything is there.

Like, everything is there. I can see the quality. It's just for me, I'm like, yeah. By the way, having opinions like that is incredibly important. Like, I can see this was well made. I can see that this is good. It's just not good for me. I get it.

I think she is magnetic and like maybe the, I, like, I think. She's going to be out of here. A beautiful, talented, like the entire package. And a lot of times, sometimes with female rappers, I don't be getting into it. But I'll just be on a little bit. Wow. This is not helping us beat the massagei allegations, bro. I feel like you get to get them to yourself.

Like, come on, man. I mean, for real. I appreciate that, but you get to keep on to you. But, like, Dochi, I love. Like, I really, really get in. I think she's amazing. No, because. But that's a good, but I get that, though.

I was, uh, when I was a music writer, there would be a thing where it's like, even when I didn't fuck with someone, I can appreciate an artist being like, not only did she make what she wanted to make. But it's a full artistic statement where I'm just like, okay, like I can, people should go listen to Dochi. She's really, really talented. But when I look at the penguin, it's something similar where I'm like, they made what they wanted to make.

It's of a high quality. If I'm comparing it to other shows that I really fuck with that are in the same level, it's like, it's just one. Say the show. It's one rung below. Say the shows. The shows that, I mean, the shows that the penguin wants you to think about, whether it be stuff like Sopranos or Breaking Back,

or any of that type of shit. It's just like it's karaoke. It's just like, no, I don't want to go to karaoke night. I'd like to go to the fucking Kendra concert. Yeah. Like, what? What? What? It's not karaoke?

Let's be real. No, man. What, it's strange? Like, here's the thing. Skeleton crew, some could say it is Stranger Things karaoke, which is fine. We just got to be real about it. What, Stranger Things is karaoke.

It is. Right. I mean, it soprano's not karaoke or the god, No. Oh, come on, man. All right, let's not get disrespected. I love the Sopranos, but the Sopranos itself references the Godfather so many times. It is a modern take on a world that we understand all art to a degree.

No, whoa, there's a difference. There's a difference. There's a difference. There's a difference. There's a difference. No, no, no, no, no. There's a difference in karaoke and there's a difference between inspiration. So the Sopranos is not really even about the mob.

The Sopranos is about David Chavis. in his relationship with his mother, and he formed it around the mob situation. Look, so what I'm saying is, to me, the way that I enjoy the thing that I'm watching is to try to appreciate the thing that I'm watching for what it is, right? Like, I give you a perfect example of something.

Perfect example. My mama comes out here some years ago, right? My mama going to make a pot of gumbo. She's coming to L.A., she's going to make a pot of gumbo. And she starts to get frustrated. when she's out here. And she starts to get frustrated because in order for her to make a good pot of gumbo,

she can't even get what she need in LA. No, the ingredients. They don't have it. So every time somebody talks about the gumbo in L.A., they're leaving out the fact that if you want to make a good pot of gumbo in L.A., you can't even get that you need. If you're in Louisiana when you walk through the supermarket, there's filet everywhere.

It's all kinds of stuff. You pick it up and you, needed. And so I look at my mom, I'm like, Mama, and she's about to make the gumbo and send it to TMZ and blow the people head away. I'm like, Mama, these people don't know the difference. Like, make the gumbo you can make, and we're going to enjoy it for the gumbo that it is. We're not going to compare it to the shit that you can make in Baton Rouge, because if you continue to do that, you won't be able to. So now, when I get gumbo out here and I do, I get it from Willie May sometimes, I get it from Harold and Bell sometimes. I try not to compare it. I'm eating

the L.A. Gumbo. Yeah. And when a show is high prestige, like when they're trying to be important, like we're going to win 55 a million Emmys weird from the creators. Like, for example, I'll give you a show

that didn't fit the prestige that it was supposed to fit. Borougham Empire. Yeah. When like when Boroughwark Empire came out, Borougham Empire is coming out. It's got Martin Scorsese directing the pilot. It's got

David Chase or Terrence Winter, one of them involved in the show. So it's coming from the Sopranos people. That show is telling you this is going to be as important as the Sopranos and it never quite gets there. Yeah. It never quite gets there. That's a show where I go, it was good, but for what it was supposed to be, kind of didn't

meet it. So I can't help but compare. Yeah, but here's the thing, even when I'm like being critical, like, that's why I'm like, oh, the thing was not unwatchable. Same thing I said something about Agatha where I was just like, oh, this isn't for me. Like, I can see the quality. Like, you can see, to your point. When I went to back to New York, when my homie takes me to go get some Mexican food,

I'm not bitching at the Mexican spot that this shit ain't, like in LA. I'm like, I'm not in New York. It's not going to, you know what I'm saying? That's just me when I'm just like, we're talking about, oh, what's a 12? What's a game changer? What's like classic? Okay. Some of this stuff don't re-step all right.

It's your time. What's on your naughty list then? Honestly, this is a great segue. My naughty list is Ciless character. you know, Penguin, ACTA, Madam Webb, Craven, we could go on and on Skeleton crew kids, act like whatever.

You know what? It's doomsday time, okay? It is doomsday time. We don't need the little rascals. We don't need the fucking Teen Titans. Don't leave these motherfuckers. Nobody knows their name. All right? Give me Batman, give me Superman, get Wolverine's

ass out here. Big guns. This is like, we're not, it's no cute time anymore. That whole thing where it was like, Oh, this is the MCU. There's no bad characters, just bad stories. Nah, we realized in the last couple years there's a lot of bad characters. Y'all don't got the juice left for them, all right? The creativity is not at the level where y'all can elevate these characters like y'all need to.

Honestly, the higher-ups who control the purse strings, they don't even believe in this shit anymore. Like, for the next couple of years, next couple of, I'm just saying, not forever, just the next couple of years. I think you're going to get what you want. Yeah, you're definitely going to get what you want. Yeah. I think this is, this is, so this reminds me of when LeBron was talking about the game six against Boston. And he was just like, man, I was just out there trying shit. Not even a bump shoulder guy.

Bump shoulder to fade. One leg of both shoulder to fat. I'm a bump. I'm not that guy. I got out shooting that. That's what they, that's the kind of here they thought they were on, you know, with after endgame and all this stuff. They're like, oh, we can make, echo, echo, all this stuff. They don't want all of this shit.

And then we kind of was like, all right, cool. Where's the, where's the action? What's the real stuff? You know, and so we're getting to a point now. It's kind of like, all right, guys, let's get back to the real hitters. We even get to the point where I'm like, we didn't need Joker 2. We didn't need Venom 3. Like, I know people want, like people.

That's business. No, I know. I know that's business. I get that. But there is a level of, I think, and here, maybe talk me off the ledge. I think every single bad superhero movie or TV show that we get, damages the ecosystem to such an extent that like people are walking

they don't want to give anything a change like the general audience not nerds nerds are going to watch whatever the thing that I've noticed is like it is so hard to get anybody to care about any of this shit now because there's the trust has been lost see the thing is with superhero stuff a lot of times you're it's you're managing

expectation so earlier on Marvel is a victim of his own success because it turned its B and C-List characters into A-less characters. Now it thought, okay, well, since we turned our B-L-List characters

into A-L-List characters and our C-List characters into B-List characters, then we can turn our D-List characters into at least B-N-C-less characters and they lost a little bit of their luster. Perhaps it would have been possible if some of these movies would have come out in 2015

or 2016 or 2017 when there was less to do and when Fying, he was super involved, and there was less stuff coming out. Maybe they could have done it. But they can't now. Obviously, we've seen that. An issue with this is your heavy hitters

come with so much expectation. Yes. They come with a tremendous amount of expectation. It's almost as if you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, because it goes from they messed up Shang-she to they better not mess up Wolverine. They better not mess up the X-Men.

They better not mess up. They better not. They better not. Meanwhile, sometimes they mess up Batman. Sometimes they mess up Superman. Can't get him the fucking right. Sometimes they mess up. Sometimes they mess up. They do shit.

They mess the shit up. And this is a segue to I'll just drop it now. Like, my God, I think twice, if I'm going to give people a little credit. I'm like, Fagie and Kennedy, if I'm being fair. I think we do judge them based off decisions that were like above their pay grade. And I know that's crazy to be like, who's more powerful than Fagie? Where it's just like, I think all the higher, I was like, whoa, we got Disney Plus. We need at least two, three, four shows from y'all a year to pump this shit.

And I think that it was just like they realized too late. We can't making these in terms of the town really can't support that in terms of like BFX, writers, everything. you need to make a successful TV show. Similarly, I think the audience appetite was not as large as they probably thought it was. So I got to think twice, I'm like, I think whatever happens next year is actually when we can have the big FIGGI, Kathleen Kennedy talk. Because now we're actually- We don't need to have a talk about Fike. Fike is the most successful movie producer of all time.

It doesn't matter. He could go on. He could make, he could make T. You might need to have a conversation about Kathleen Kennedy because she hasn't really been able to be successful. successful at her job. Like, if it... Whoa, whoa. That's facts. Well, no.

Whoa. Roy's Skywark who made a billion dollars. Like, it's not a great movie. Mandalorian. Okay. Like, come on. This is no shot of Kathleen Kennedy, you guys. Star Wars is embattled.

Okay? Yes. And it's, it's embattled in a way that the MCU has never been embattled. And by the way, that whether it's Kathleen Kennedy's fault or not, she's the tip of the spirit here. So Star Wars being in battle,

Rise of Skywalker was successful. The movie, the Lord and Miller debacle that happened on Solo. Not one person makes that, it's not one person that makes a decision to pull two guys off of a movie that are doing it and then install Ron Howard and Lethap Fishman.

It's not one person that makes that decision. What I'm telling you about is like when that decision is made or when the season three of the Mandalorian or this or that or this Star Wars is in battle. It's okay. But why I have to say, you got to think twice. Do you think it's a little unfair?

Because I think Kathleen Kennedy's job is honestly probably harder than Figuis because Star Wars, if we're being real, just because of the amount of years we've had it, the love, the religion. MCU has a little bit more room to get shit right and wrong where it's like any time something goes wrong with Star Wars, it's a fucking like culture. I think it's also the fans, right? There's just different fan culture in the MCU than it has a star. like you said religion right mccu stuff happens which or which way it's kind of like all that's tough whatever you don't think about it star wars has like rules and regulations there are stuff that like boxes that that usually get checked especially over over the course of like the first six films

and so now when they want to diversify and change things and make things new updated for new audience is kind of like whoa this isn't but star wars i know and love well all this stuff it's very much a different energy in the fan basis. And so when you get to the new sequel trilogy, after, I mean, we watch, what's it called, almost called a New Hope, that's how much it reminds me of the first one. Yeah. But when you watch Force Awakens, you're like, okay, this is New Hope.

Cool. A good time. Last Jedi comes out. That's the tipping point. That's the moment. When you look it all back and you look, run the tape back, that's the moment. It all fell apart, truly, right? Because you could make a Force Awakens.

Everybody was like, that's it. We've seen that movie before, but it's cool. We had a good time in theater. Star Wars is back. Hey, we're all smiling. Last Jedi comes. Ryan Johnson's like, yeah, we're going to change the whole thing up. All that stuff you knew before.

Forget all that. It's that new stuff. And people, like it was, what was it called? It was a combination. Solo also was a disaster. But that came afterwards, though. I know. But what I'm saying with Solo, though,

if Solo is a movie that... So the Last Jedi is a movie that, like, really put the fans at, like, at each other's throats, right? Solo is the movie, to me, where Star Wars course corrected. Because, I'll tell you why. And it might have been, it, the Last Jedi definitely had an influence on it, but I'm talking about, they go, okay, this is what we're going to do. Everyone loves this.

We're going to do Wobafud. We're going to do solo. We're going to do all of these movies. And then Ro one. Ro one worked, right? Rogue one worked because Ro one, they're still in the sweet spot there. But didn't they have to, like, go back and did they have a cut? Tony had to go and go up in there.

They changed Rogue One for a couple of reasons. Number one, the first cut of Rogue One had Darth Vader cutting people's heads off in the movie. And they were like, can't do that. Like, can't have it. You know what I mean? Can't have it. But it, what I'm saying is, like, the Last Jedi was still by every metric of a successful film. It was a successful film critically.

Critically, commercially, it did well. commercially it did well. Absolutely. Then you have two movies that underperformed at the box office and were critically panned. Solo panned? Yeah. Yeah, it was rough.

I didn't read that. Honestly, we got to be real. There's no world where, like, solo was working out. I think they miscount. Oh, no, I disagree. Yeah, I disagree. Yeah, I do. I think that what they came out with was like fine.

First of all, I don't mind the movie. No, no, I'm not even talking about the quality. I'm talking about, I think that they were just like, people are. ready to see another person play Han Solo. And I think no people are. Like, it's like, I, I don't know if the appetite was there. I think you had to wait a couple years. Like, I think in 10 or 15 years, you could probably remake a new hope.

And because, like, the people who saw their original, like, in theaters, most of them are dead. Like, you know, my original idea for solo. Oh, my original idea for solo. Like, I had a bunch of it. The way I looked at solo was I would have had, because I know Han was already dead, right? Because he died. A spoiler alert.

He, you know, he dies and Force Awakens. I would have brought Harrison Ford back. Old Solo? Nope. This is what I would have done. The way I would have cheated solo, because I know what these fans want, right? The way I would have cheated solo is everybody with solar gas when Han passes away. I would have set Han

Han's cameo in this movie before Force Awakens. Him and Chui do not have the Millennium Falcon. And I would have had him telling Chui reminding Chui or telling somebody else's story about how they got it. And then Han would have been narrating the movie and you would go back to him and see him

and Chubaca every now and again. And it would have eased the transition for people who have to have their hands held. It would have eased the transition for them. I don't want to see fucking Harrison Ford old ass there being like, well, I'm too old to be

playing this motherfucker. So we got his other dude. I'm telling you, you wrap it around, you have them talking, there's a little something that's going on there, but you're telling two stories and you have the original Han in the movie. But it's solo, none of the other characters, you do it, nobody complains

the whole thing was... Everybody real. right? Everybody would hate this movie because I know exactly what they would go do. It's going to be how I'm being like, yeah, so, you know, I had the Millennium Falcon, you know, I got that thing up to, you know, how many in the parsecs, and then it's going to freeze frame and hear chewy. But like, no, no, no, no, don't listen to him, man.

I had that thing buzzing. You know what I mean, it's going to be some silly things like that, right, I'll tell you, that worked, what, I'll tell you what didn't work, to your point. What didn't work was making somebody else step into the shoes of one of the most charismatic characters. Time. You guys are going to be like, no way. I think it would have been better to recast

Luke Skywalker than it was Hans. I told you. Absolutely. It's easy. Mark Hamill's a fucking amazing. But part of the reason why he's amazing is because Luke's arc is so perfect. And Luke plays it kind of in a blank way

after the first movie. In every man, you watch those original movies. And you're like, I was a black kid. I was like, I could be Luke Skywalker. I could be Luke Skywalker. You see Hans-O. You're like, n' guy. Like, yeah.

Like, yeah. Like, yeah, I got it. Oh, you love me. I'm like, you just walk into the woman and say you want to fuck. And he's like, this guy's the man. Yeah. Like, you know, it's different. It's different.

Wait, wait, can I ask you this? Could they still make it? Like, would you go see a Luke Skywalker movie? Yeah. They could kill it. If they just ignore it, it's just like, we're just going to start one. If they did all your legend stuff, you would be there. It would be there day one.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're not going to do it. But like, yeah, sure. Sure, sure you could. I mean, like, it, the reason. the recast my point is this and Kermm feel free to talk

anytime you're like He don't do Star Wars I've been blank for the last five minutes I've been blinded for the last five minutes My thing is this And I'll go back to my original point First of all I want to correct something

Okay Kathleen Kennedy's legacy as well Cemented Cemented She was cemented. Kathleen Kennedy, way before she was doing anything with Star Wars. I want to make sure that I say this was and is a fantastic, a number one movie producer.

Like going all the way back to her work with Spielberg to work alone. Kathleen Kennedy is an amazing, and I don't know if everything that's happening there is actually her fault, like, to your point, but I do know that she is the tip of the spear there. I was just talking about, and I'm still talking about, in these individual entities, he is minted in the MCU, Kevin Feikey. He is minted in the MCU. There are still people that are wondering if Star Wars has the right leadership.

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that Kathleen Kennedy isn't a fantastic movie producer, and she hasn't been a fantastic movie producer. She has, and I'm not even saying that she's the wrong person to be at the helm of Lucasfilm. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying one of them is embattled and doesn't have a tremendous track record for making quality stuff going back to whenever the merger was. It's so scatterbrain. And another one has an unprecedented run of success.

So Figey is still operating in goodwill for another two or three years and that's just kind of the way it goes. But that's why I put them both. Oh, my God, I think twice because I want it to be fair where I'm like next year's the year, where it's like I start having a conversation of like maybe Faggy should you know start getting someone ready maybe. Nate's right there okay John what you got for your

for your naughty. All right. Y'all, it's about to fall asleep. Um, but my next one, kind of a two-parter. Hey, chill out, chill out, chill out, chill out, chill. Please don't do that to me. Um, two-parter. First half, what's my camera? Alleya? Is this my camera? This camera on me?

Okay, so I'm going to take off my shades for this. We need to get rid of the Doctor Strange, slink, that shit. Get rid of all of that. Whatever is called the teleportation shit. Let's get creative on how we're teleporting because I'm just sick of it. Everybody can do that shit. Ned can do that shit. Cassandra Nova can do that shit.

Like, get rid of it. Like, let's get creative there. Part two of that, I don't know how we're going to fix this. But third acts in these superhero movies, it's just we got to come up with a better solution for these third acts. because Deadpool Wolverine, the second they go through that portal, that's where I turn off the movie. It's rewatchable. I can't do that third phase of the movie at all.

It's just not a good battle scene to me. There isn't really much sense to it. We're just fighting 20 Deadpools without any real cause. I just wasn't fucking with it. So those are my two. I mean, third act is a problem is a big time problem. It's been a problem for a while. The sling ring thing, there's the kind of stuff that people get in my face about.

Ned using sling ring is a fucking tremendous quarter flip. It's a massive fucking quarter flip. It almost should be not quarter flip. It should be Ned Slinkring. Hold on. Hold on. Massive quarter flip. But then, you know, they're like, he's got like magic.

So explain, explain Cassandra Nova then. You know what I'm saying? We're just everybody can do it. You know? Like, why can't, look, it seems easy. You put an audience finger. We got to leave this in 2024. No shooting bail, bro.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. I mean, Cassandra Nova. You learn. Now what's, I watch, like, if we, again, if we really think about it, a lot of that movie is dumb. So, like, let's chill out. However, I think it's, it's cool that some people can pick up a sling ring use it. Again.

How long did he take Dr. Strange to learn how he used that shit? Well, he had, his fingers was messed up. All right. But he is unique, but he was also uniquely talented as a sorcerer. Yeah, he had to learn. That's the, that's the thing. Yeah. I mean, remember Katie in, uh, Sean Chee, when she took the arrow and she shot the, in the heart.

You know what I'm saying? So it goes. The only one who still remember Shang Chi is, Simulu, so. Hey, I saw a tweet that was like, why ain't Simululu blow up, man, after Sean Chin? It's like, he kind of did. I had, I had a lot of stock. He was supposed to, though.

He's not like he's supposed to. You know, not politically, but he kind of needed the Zachary Levi of the MCU. He did. He's got some, he's got some, he's got some, he got some weird tweets. What is? Am I wrong? Am I wrong?

First of all, I don't want you know, it's a New America. Like, I want to get to all of that, but he... Oh, man. Bro. So, this is the thing about Shangshi. Okay. Shongshi is aggressively fine.

It's okay as fuck. I think it's really good. It's like, it's like really good until they, like, on it, like, I want to say excellent, but like very, very, very, very well until they leave for, uh, wherever. Would you say it's a third act problem? I want to say it's a third act. Because once they leave. leave for their pop's place, it kind of falls part a little bit.

But then to your point, once they, like, the drags are showing up, everybody's the fine. That's kind of like, all right, man. Like, I get, we got toys to sell. I get it. But there's got to be better winning. We got to be real. Shang-chi is so forgettable. And I feel like we were still in that phase where everybody was just like, we believe,

we believe in Marvel. They were calling it top five all time. Come on. Oh, no, wow. He was. Okay. Oh, whoa. Whoa.

Come on, man. I remember. Watch. Watch. Let me ask you this. Shang Shi, do you put that movie, compare Shang Xi to the first Doctor Strange?

How does it compare it? First Doctor Strange is way better. Way better. Way better. Well, so here's what I'll say. I think they are in the same category, but the lows of Shang Chi are very, very low. And Dr. Strange is a steady movie.

Dr. Strange is never like that. Like, there's nothing I watch on Dr. Strange where I'm like, this is kind of goofy. and embarrassing, where it's like when they start, when the dragons start flying and everything and there's all these CGI animals, I'm like, talk, just make a martial arts movie. You know what I'm saying?

That's what the first half of that movie is really good. It's really good. You just do that for another 45, 60 minutes. You got a top tier as a human. No, when Chongchi was doing, who was the, they were fighting in the big skies. Yeah. This is the movie.

That's the movie. This is just the movie. And then they got, that's other thing, the MCU be getting cute with it where I'm like, it's okay. just to make a martial arts movie, it's okay. But, like, the problem is the stakes that come from endgame. Because the Shang-shee that exists, now we got to believe that he could be an Avenger

and he could fight alongside Dr. Strange and all of these people. So we got to give him the tin rings and he's got to be able to have it. I don't, I don't know. They had Hawkeye running around trying to make him. That's a fair point. You know what I'm saying? Like, Hawkeye wasn't doing shit. He was just there for the Vives.

Well, no. Remember in Age of Ultron, they were like, Hawkeye brings a team together because, you know, a human just makes it all, makes it all real. I mean, look, Hawkeye, get busy. Hawkeye, even in the comic books, you know, like during the second, the Secret Wars 2015, they're like, if there's one person in the whole MCU that you want to send to kill somebody is Hawkeye.

I was like, for real? I was like, if you need an assassin, somebody that you know is going to get the job. Hawkeye is a motherfucker. I'll be real. Just like, let's get really nerdy about this. Can Hawkeye beat Bullseye? Yeah. No, he can't.

Bullseye? Yeah, Hawkeye fuck over Bullseye, yeah. All right. I mean, it's the same guy, but no. Hawkeye is better hand-a-hand than Bullseye. So you're telling me that Bullseye killed Elektra. You're telling me that Hawkeye could beat Elektra. Hawkeye could, yeah, Hawkeyes.

He shoots arrows. It don't matter what he's doing. He doesn't miss. I mean arrow, but, yes, what I'm saying. He does miss. That's his whole thing. Who? Hawkeye's whole thing.

He doesn't miss, yeah. That's what I'm saying? No, he does miss. When did he miss? He's not named Bullseye's powers he doesn't miss. We've seen Bullseye miss on screen and then be freaked out. Yeah, that's because every single bullseye that we've gotten on screen is being chit. I like Bulls, oh, the Bulls Eye from the Daredevil show was dumb.

You are a lot. Oh, no, that was dope. By the way, I think that two-for-two with Bullseye. I think Colin Farrell's Bullseye was dope, too. What's your naughty? What's your naughty joke? We just lying out.

We just lying out. I like this. I think Colin Farrell's Bullseye was dope, and I think the Bulls-Eye from, I saw this guy working out at the gym one time, too. From Daredevil. Yeah, from Daredevil. I thought that was a fantastic take on the character, too.

I really did. No? You don't know. You didn't watch it. I watched a movie when I was like six. Like, I loved it when I was six,

but I can't, I don't got to take for you in that. I like Colin Farrell's bull's bullseye. I think maybe the bullseye thing on the head was a little bit. Yeah, it was very, you know, early 2000s.

But, bro, the bullseye that they had in Daredevil, where they really set up the tension of the Bullseye really well when him and Daredevil are running through, they're fighting in the office building. And Daredevil is just dodging

all kinds of, kinds of shit. This niggas dodging Staples. Like, that's bullseye to me. So I don't know. I like that bullseye. No?

Okay, cool. I'm gonna like you enjoyed it. You didn't like it? Eh, it's a little, it's, I guess can't be, is it? It's a lot going on in that way. Which one?

You're talking about? Farrell? Farrell. Okay, yeah, yeah. Wait, but even in the fucking Netflix joint, his costume was weak as fuck. Well, remember, this is, you know, we have to earn the costume these days.

I'm done with all that shit in these superheroes. They're like, you got to earn. I'm like, no, just put him in a new costume. Like, don't do the, like, next movie, he's getting the real shit. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Just put him in the real fucking shit. Forget all. I can't tell you.

Man, man, the bar is so high. You know what I watched a couple of days ago? I watched the trial of the Incredible Hulk. Have you guys ever seen that? No. Wait, is that the old-ass fucking 70s? So the old Incredible Hulk had his show. And then after the show, he had two standalone movies.

It was trying to launch. Two new shows. One was for Thor. Eric Kramer played Thor. And then one was for Daredevil. They put Daredevil in one and Thor and the other one. One was called The Incredible Hulk returns. That was with Thor.

He had Thor with him. And the other one was called The Trials, The Incredible Hulk. Where Matt Murdoch was Thor's lawyer. But then he finds out Matt Murdoch is also Daredevil. So Daredevil's in there. I watched it like a couple of days ago. I was fucking loving it. Wow.

I loved it. Did you look it up? Look it up. Look at the trial at the Incredible Hulk. Well, you hear of this come out? 88? Yeah, we got to hit the drop. We got to hit the drop.

89. You know what I mean? The trial of the Incredible Hulk and he's in there. They had, you know, you know? Rueh, no, Bill Bixby. You know who was Kingpin? Gimley. Jonathan Reese Myers.

For real? Yeah, he was Kingpin. Damn. It's good. It's like a, we should do a hole. Just don't that. Davis. John the Reese Davis,

should I say. Reese. Yeah. The young guy. Yeah. All right. What's your naughty, Joby? My naughty.

This director, I mean, it's twice. He's ruined my day. But specifically this year, he ruined one night and we had to do a podcast about it. Todd Phillips, director of Joker 2. That's on my naughty list. Cole,

coal isn't bad enough. It needs to be a steaming pile of poo. Because that's what the Joker 2 was. Y'all lying. That movie, what do you mean? What are you talking about? There's been so much bullshit this year. No, no, no, no.

So here's why specifically the Joker 2 is terrible, right? Or at least I'm putting Todd Phillips on the 90 list for me, right? Movie gets announced, they make it, they start, the press people start talking about the movie. And we know that the cast Lady Gaga to be Harley Quinn and she's singing. Right? It's going to be musical. Okay? Hey, Todd Phillips, you're making your movie musical, man.

What is what was the top price behind that? It's not a musical. They just sing to express their feelings to the audience. Art. Okay, cool. That's in the definite, you go to Miriam Webster, you look up musical. That's what that is. Okay.

But cool. We watched the movie, right? Turns out that's not even a real Joker. Okay. They spend the entire film being like, hey, remember that first one that y'all liked? I don't like it. Well, a lot of people didn't have been a billion dollars. Remember that character that y'all loved and y'all enjoyed and y'all really got with?

Actually, fuck you. He sucks. The whole thing sucks. Everything about it sucks. The fact that you like it makes you a bitch and you're a loser. How dare you? Okay. I'm talking to the real joker.

Ha ha. Got you. Why waste my time when you clearly don't give a shit? Why bring me into it? And now I got to spend my two hours watching you give a middle finger to the audience while you go home and you're with your check Welcome to my world

That's how I feel about how the shit we are God Isley y'all gonna be mad at me I think Joker 2 better than the penguin You're a troll man I'm not even trolling I am not even trolling Joker 2 is better than the penguin

I'm not I'm not gonna You know me why you're out Could you give me a coat I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not engaging with that Why do you?

Bring me the sugar You know what I'm saying? Whoa, whoa, why can't I have, I'm not even trolling. I'll be dead-ass serious. Can we move on the years? Yeah, I'm not engaged with that. See, more what happened? This is a New America.

It is a New America. What happened? We got to protect our peace in this New America. Man, let me tell you something. Thank you, Skittle. Joan Skittl. Let me tell you something. My naughty list is easy.

Ryan Reynolds. Too much dip on the chip? He knows what he did. Too much dip on the chip. Ryan, I fuck with you. Been fucking with you. Been fucking with you since you made the name Van Hot in these streets. Van Wilder back in the day, big time situation.

People would call me Van Wilder. They'd be like, Van Wilder. I'm like, there's a van. Ryan Reynolds have always fucked with your career. Fuck with the stuff you do. When everybody else was hating on Blade 3, You stood up for him. I was like, yo, Ryan Reynolds is cool.

You're lying. I swear. You're telling me you had conversations around Blade 3, be like, hey, yo, I'm a Blade 3 defender. I was also going through my Jessica Bill phase. It's old phase. We can't talk about it now. Wait, why can't we talk about it now?

Because, man, you know, things are. It's a New America, okay? Yes, the New America. It's a New America. It's true. That was your milk phase. That was your milk phase. That was your milk phase.

There was a milk phase. It lasted for a while. So there was a tweet, and it said it was reacting to the variety actors on actors season 21, which is a fantastic thing that variety does where they get all the actors around and they talk about acting. So great. And someone tweeted out, Andrew Garfield is talking about playing a husband and father whose wife decides to forego cancer treatment. And Ryan Reynolds is talking about playing dead. That tweet did fucking numbers. Damn crazy.

$2.4 million. $2.4 million, should I say? Or views. Ryan Rose responded to the tweet. With a book. With a fucking book. Can you read some of the best of this? No, read the entire thing.

Correct. Andrew's a genius. He and Florence are magic together, and we live in time. They're heartbreaking and charming and spend the entire film and a high-wire act of humanity and constraint. And yes, I am Deadpool, but I will take a stand and speak in defense of comedy. Dramatic work is difficult. And we're also meant to see it's difficult, which is one of the reasons why it feels visceral and effective.

Comedy is also very difficult, but has an added dimension in that it's meant to look and feel effortless. You intentionally hide the stitching and the unstitching. I think both disciplines are beautiful, and both work beautifully together. Comedy and drama subsist on tension. Both thrive when subverting expectation. Both thrive, backstop by real emotion, and both are deeply subjective. Your favorite comedy might be Angerman. Mine might be Lars von Trier's Melancholia.

Wait, there was no character limit? What was it, like a screenshot of the notes out? He's got to, yeah. He's got the blue check out. Oh, okay, got you. I will say him and Hove were writing a letter this weekend, bro. They were both over there on a laptop, bro. Ryan.

Ryan, shut the fuck up, dog. Okay? So here's the thing. Let me get this out real quick. Ryan Reynolds is a ridiculously talented performer. He really is, yes. He really is a great actor.

He's great at comedy. He's funny as hell. This is Blayton Awards show fluff. Ryan Reynolds wants Deadpool to be. He was nominated for a Golden Globe before he wants Deadpool to be taken seriously. I get it. I do it. This looks so fucking pathetic, Doc.

So here's the thing, right? Because he's not inherently wrong. Like, you know, drama and comedy are two sides of the same coin. You do need some of that same energy. People talk about, like, dramatic actors coming to do. comedy and vice versa and why comedic actors are so good at doing drama because they just know

that tension is useful. All that stuff. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Brother, just call the man broke and call it a day, man. That's all you had to do. I mean, my thing is this. No, no, no, no. It's not even that. It's like, first of all, I know a lot of actors who don't think that you're really well-rounded if you can't do comedy.

Most people, most actors that are like, that we look at as dramatic masters, most of them can also be really funny. Yeah. Most of them can also be really funny because if you have that level of chops, normally you've come up, you've done some Shakespearean comedy, you've been in different comedic situations.

But there are some people who are really, really dramatically gifted who can't be funny. And most actors that I know consider those people to actually be lesser than some of the other actors that can do it all. And we've seen over the course of the last 30 years, really talented comedic actors take dramatic terms. and a lot of those guys are successful at it. Adam Sandler, Punched Duck Love, Bill Murray,

Robin Williams, Jim Carrey, these are really awesome performers. This just looks so Hollywood. You're talking on Twitter. You're going to speak in defensive comedy. Let the work that you did as Deadpool stand on its own at the point that somebody of his ilk is going back and forth. That's for me. Let me go back and forth on Twitter.

But when I saw this, it just looked really desperate. And it was kind of a bummer from him because he's holding on so, so tight. Do we, have we got to a point? Maybe I'm just being a scrooge about this, where I feel like because IP is the only thing we really get, now people always have this feeling of like, oh, Wicked. If Wicked doesn't get nominated for Best Picture, then that means everything. and Deadpool 3. And I'm like, hey, guys, Deadpool and Wolverine made over a billion dollars.

That's the win. We do not have to treat Deadpool and Wolverine. It is a great cinematic masterpiece because I'm like, that's not what it was trying to do. It's a blockbuster. We're supposed to enjoy ourselves. Laugh. It's not that serious. I'm going to be honest.

Does Ryan Reynolds truly believe that his acting was some of the best comedic acting of the year? Because if so, come on. Like, I don't, why do these blockbuster IP machines also have to be respected as high art? Isn't that kind of beside the point? That's not why I go to see them. I mean, maybe, but then you get and you got people online who like to make jokes, right?

You know what I mean? You made a bit, you made over a bit. You're moving made over a billion dollars. Who gives them up? And that's where it's at, right? Like, you don't have to do that. But if people are going to continue to be like, you're making that super cape shit. superhero shill stuff, you know what I mean?

It's, it's, it's ego. No, but here's the thing. There are, there is superhero cap shit that does get to the point of like, oh, this is high art. Somebody did something really transformational. Somebody did something very powerful, whatever. Deadpool and Wolverine wasn't that. And I don't even think it was trying to be that.

You know what I'm saying? It's not. And Ryan Reynolds knows that. So. Well, I don't think he does. My thing is the problem I have with this is it's, it's, it's, it's. it's ego. It's baked into

Ryan Reynolds, who is having a great career and will continue to have a great career and has so many different roles that he can play and do. He's not standing in defense of comedy. He's standing in defense as Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool and wanting something different.

Look, it's his prerogative. Do you think he gets, do you think that it hurts his feelings that, like, even though he is not only, only one of the most bankable stars in just in movies that we take the brand of Ryan Reynolds movies not that seriously what like because to be fair most of his movies while they're crowd pleasers aren't really that good like in like his his current one oh but so y'all don't like safe house love safe house love safe house you love that movie what's the video game one

uh free guy that was good it was cool It's all right. But there's a lot of, there's a lot of corporatization over there. You know what I'm saying? Ryan Reynolds has utility in Hollywood, the proposal. Yeah. He's like, he's a funny, charming guy. Yeah, but when has Ryan, this is going to sound bad because I think he is really, really talented.

I don't know if Ryan Reynolds has really, like, stretched in the way that I think he's capable of. Like, I don't think he's ever been like, you know what? Fuck all this shit. I'm super powerful. I'm going to go try to like make an uncut jams. Like I'm trying to, going to find and take a risk with like a director's. I don't know that he necessarily has to.

I don't think he has to either. But what he can't do is or what I don't, what bothers me, the reason I put him on a naughty list is because if you're going to do that, do that. But trying to campaign Deadpool into that situation is just, just based on, it's just, it's ego-driven. Now, the first Deadpool movie is a different performance than this one.

Yeah. The first Deadpool movie, if you go back and watch it, is a lot more layered of a performance than the subsequent deadpools. Like, the first one is a guy that's dealing with a lot of new information. I feel like the leap from the first one to the second one isn't too crazy. Yeah. But then the leap from the second to the third. Oh, yeah, the leap for the first one to the second one is pretty much the same.

same. Yeah, but like from the second to the third one, it's just not, there's not much story. And so I'm not saying that it's not funny because it is funny. But when I saw that, I'm like, that's, he's being, he's typifying in that, in that situation right there, the kind of stereotypical doucheback Hollywood actor who's almost talking down to someone and trying to browbeat them. Also, once you start dropping the like, Laura's voluntary or did it, I'm like, all right, come on. Yeah. Like, you know, and it's also,

actors on actors is very entertaining. This is a fucking video series on YouTube by Variety. Like, you know, it's like, this ain't even an award, bro. Yeah. Like, all right, so before we get out of here, let's mix it up. We were going to have some, like,

uh, it was naughty nice, got to think twice. Let's do either got to think twice or who in the Midnight Collective deserves nice and naughty. Who's been the nicest? I'm going to do God think twice real quick.

All right. I think twice on Captain American Brave New World. Okay, Marvel. Shoot what you got to shoot. Make it happen. Work through Christmas. New Year's. Shoot what you got to shoot.

Make it happen. Shoot that. Shoot that motherfucker. Shoot, shoot, shoot, get that motherfucker right. All right. We hear all kinds of buzz and the buzz that. I'm telling you straight up right now. This is a movie we want to like.

Listen to me to Marvel to everybody involved. This is a movie we want to like. It's a home game. It's fucking Black History Month. Black Captain America. He got the shield. He's flying around. This is a movie we want to like.

Delay it if you have to. Like, if you have to delay it, delay it. Shoot. Get this motherfucker right. I don't know. Get it right. That's it. That's my birthday twice.

I'm going to be honest. Black people can't really take many more else You know, it's been a strain And if Captain America sucks It's gonna be just And we need this one It's been rough Will we be honest next year

As as black podcasters in this space After be If Captain America sucks Are we gonna be I'm gonna be on I have faith in the movie I've lost off it I have faith in the movie. Are you saying you don't believe in Anthony Mackey?

Not anymore. The last reshoots, I was like, all right. I have faith in the movie. I have faith in the movie, but it's, we ain't. Don't lie, man. No, no, I have faith in the movie. I do. On a scale from 1 to 12, let's go.

One being no base, 12 being faith. What's your faith that this movie's going to be good? I know that they want it to be really good. And so I think some of the reactions that you're hearing about it's because they don't really feel like they can take an L with this one. And if the right people are involved and the right people want to figure the movie out, I think it gets figured out. I think that you need the attention to detail that it's probably getting.

But they got to bring it home. I can't really put a number on you. All right. It's out of three for me. Okay. It's just, no, no, no. Because what this amount of reshoots kind of tells me is I'm like, oh, y'all didn't really have the story. Like, either you're not confident in the story, yo, you didn't have the story to begin with.

God damn. No. Nailed it. Mike, got to think twice real quick is RDJ is Doom. Now, we were in Hall H. Yeah.

We were in Hall H when that got announced and I was very, very, very high on it. I was bouncing. I was bouncing. I was bouncing. What's up with you in this?

I was talking about you was bouncing on the dick? Yeah. I was bouncing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Sex sponsored podcast. I was bouncing. And I've, I've cooled a little bit. I'm sorry.

That should be bouncing. Remember when they did it? That shit be bouncing. Remember that little... That's Baltimore Club music. Shout out to Baltimore, man. Shout out to Baltimore, man. Shout out of Baltimore.

No, I definitely cooled on it. I'm still like... I think I'm hiring it than most. But, I mean, we talked about earlier. Yeah, you do got to land it. It's got to work. It can't not work. There's never been one time we're circled in the block,

whether that is superhero movies or shoddies where it's worked out. So, no. Never? In my experience, once it's done is done. Don't go back, you know? Let's think about... An Affleck, the king of that.

Let's think about circling the block. Yeah. Affleck circled the block. Circle the block. Him and... He'll be a barred circleer. Yeah. He's like, shout out Affleck, though.

These women love him. They just... He had to give her the chance. Affleck was like, let's go ahead and make it happen. I wanted it to work, man. Save. He looked happy for a while.

He looked happy for a while. Shout out to Ben Ben. Ben is one of the... It's a couple of white boys. out there that I would really be pissed off if we got bad news about him. Yeah. If Ben's nigger tapes come out,

it's going to be a tough day. Who are we really quick? Who are the top three if like, shit gets out where you like? If they're nigga tapes came out? Yeah. Ben is up there for me. Ben is up there.

Tony Hawk? Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk. Steve Blake. Devastating. Steve Blake. I fuck with Steve Blake. That would be tough.

I fuck with Steve Blake, bro. Are we talking about Lakers' legend? Steve Blake? Yeah. I'll fuck with Steve Blake. Let me tell you something. Oh, my gosh, man. Powerful pound,

Steve Blake is one of the toughest guys in the history of the NBA. Honestly, yeah. Steve Blake was ready to get hit. I like Steve Blake. Steve Blake would be one. I'll put Adam Sandler in there if Adam Sandler said that car.

He's saying to N-word, I'd be so upright. Yeah. I mean, and by the way, look, it's not like I'm saying, oh, my God, it's white guys, whatever. I'm saying it's just,

you got to look at them a different. Most times you're not disappointed because you're like, I, Well, you know, what happened with Justin Bieber? I'm like, yeah. You can see that, right? You know what I'm saying?

But like, with these couple of guys, I'd be like, nah, man, not Ben Affleck too. But he's from Boston, so you almost know that he said it. The tapes got to just come out. Yeah, the tapes just have to come out. If there ain't no tapes, they don't, you know what I'm saying? It's probably a guy right now in Southie sitting on his inward tapes, getting money from Ben Affleck.

He gets $3,000. Do the Boston accent, Kern? Park the Khan, Javiyah. You know what I mean? Like, I need it. Like, what do they call money in Boston? Scratch? I would say, bunny.

But I don't know. So what did you think twice, Kurt? My think twice, it was going to be your big Joe on me, but I guess I'll go comic bookie if y'all don't mind. Right now, in the X-Men comics, they ended the Kroa era. Right now, I'm not saying the comics are, the X-Men comics are bad right now. But it's not the same crack.

It's not the same crack I was smoking six months ago. Shoot you in your fucking face. Why don't you look at the gun? Charles said they end it. Wait, Garm, why are they not? Wait,

Kurt, it's not fair. Currw's not. They're not, they go to Charles go. They're in the dirt. Like, there's still plenty of good comics right now. You know, Storm. Jesus Christ. There's exceptional X-Men.

There's plenty of good comics, but again, it's just not that same crack where, like, Wednesdays came around a year ago, and I was like, I got to have it. What's wrong with them? Right now, I think with the Krikawa era, it felt like they took, strives to make something that was completely new as an idea.

Now it's kind of like a regression back to the means of mutants are back in America and we hate them again and how are they going to figure it out while being oppressed versus it felt like with the Kikkoa era, they were past that where they were God. So it's like to regress like that, it's just a little bit of a tougher sell. I think there's still hope and I'm going to give, you know, I'm not going to stop reading them. Don't get it twisted. But I think, you know, I'm going to give it some time.

So that's why I'm, you know, I'm not sure yet. I'm not sure yet where I met with it. I don't need these writers to keep creating their own humans. Every writer gets on an X-Men book and they're like, here's five new characters for y'all. I'm like, yo, pull out Wolverine, sidewalks and storm. It Wolverine did? No, you're not dead.

No. No. Who did? Who's dead for real, for real, for real? Magneto? Magneto is a lot, but he's like, he's kicking, barely. He could be dead. He's in jail.

Yeah, he's pretty much dead. Like, he's written off. Charles Xavier is. But fuck that nigger. So that's the best part of the ex-manchin. They turned the ex-m mansion into a school, you know. That is crazy. It was always, it was like a jail.

Yeah, yeah. They turned into a prisons. Yeah. So, so, oh, damn, that's crazy. Charles is locked up. But, like, he deserved it. In the hoods, we're trying to get more schools, less prisons. For the mutants, they're getting less schools, more prisons.

They got them locked up. That's tough. They got them. Can you imagine? Can you imagine. You know what, no X-Men. We need a, like, have they done X-Men black? Like a negatine?

We don't think they call with that. We don't got enough black X-A-Saint. They need to be a music. They need to, because think about it. Sink. There needs to be an X-Men vertical of like a bunch of mutant kids that came together in, like, Jacksonville, a Baton Rouge. I fuck with that.

And they, and they, they're all together, and they can't really, they learn how to control their powers together. I feel like we're giving up, like, good. No, God's. We should just talk about that shit. We need to write that ourselves. Wyans. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Yons. Bro, but, bro, bro, but that's crazy. That's cool. Think about, like, in O Block or somebody like that. First character, I need a character name, like, bulletproof or some shit where you can't shoot them. Yeah.

Yeah. I see the vision. That first issue they, like. We got to take tail kickpon. We got to take kickoff. Yeah. Arjuna got some news for us on the week. Wait, I was going to do that.

Okay. I was going to do it. Guys, real quick, real quick. Got some nerd news. Some breaking nerd news. This is the most Madlibs thing I've ever seen. But this is from variety. I'm going to reek the headline.

You will not believe this. Jeremy Allen White joined Star Wars film, Mandolian Grogu as Jabba the Hudson. Y'all, all right, bro. I swear to God. I swear to God.

I swear to God. It's right there. It's right there for everybody. Here, Jeremy, I'm white got kids. You know, I'm not judging. You know, college is expensive. What's the problem? College is expensive.

What's the problem? What's the problem? We don't even know what's going to happen yet. What's the problem? I'm going to shoot you with the dart. Like, we don't know. It is kind of weird, though. It's bad.

What are you talking about? You're like, oh, Charles is the hot man now because he don't like... So here's my thing, right? You guys remember the animated movie, the first Clone Wars? Yes. Stinky. With the little old guy. Yeah.

Stinky was dope. I don't know about all that. I hope it's not that. Maybe he's just like an adoptive son of Java. You know what I mean? It actually gets to be Jeremy Allen White. Because what I don't... What I will like be struggling to reconcile, we get Jeremy Allen White and

Star Wars, big budget, and he's just playing, like, a smaller job of the hut. Yeah, like. Yeah, that's what he's doing. I kind of feel like you can get anybody do that, though. But they wanted him. It's weird, but it is what it is. Nah, man. Yeah, Mandelorian Grogu.

Say what you say. Say, come on, bro. No, I'm saying, Mandelorian Grogu, to me, is fighting an uphill battle. It's, it's, um, I, I, I, I don't see how the movie could be bad. I do. But I also kind of don't see how the movie could be good. I don't even see how most people are going to even give a shit about the movie.

Oh, they're going to see it. They're going to see it. I do, yeah. We've talked about it all day today. If this movie does show up and it's not what it need to be in the false flat, there are going to have to be conversations. Serious, long form. Here's the thing.

Y'all keep saying that for one of the first. time to have a conversation. Nah, no, because we've... I mean, we've talked about Star Wars all day today. But, like, seriously, though. Like, you... All right, guys, guys, guys, guys. We weren't talking about Skeleton Crew

because we're waiting for fucking Steve. We had to come up with this episode. It was a fun episode. I'm just being more honest than I usually will be. Nah, man. That's funny. Can't talk about it. We got to talk about it.

If we're ending on a positive note, you want to know who I want to nominate for nice this year from the Midnight Collective. A to Z. Alea. Alea scenario. She bossy as hell, no. Honestly, if there was anybody at the ringer that could correct us week after we could be like, hey, yo, man.

Charles, my check. Sit up. Yeah. Allaya's fantastic. Very nice. The pivot to video wouldn't have been possible. She worked so hard. She does such a great job. I hope everybody's paying attention to her.

First of all, why are you looking at me? What do I do? Kerm, Nottie. What do? What I do? What do? What I do? What do I do?

He just said Kermen did and say nothing else. Every single time we come into the studio, Kerm got an attitude. He's just like, you white skin, motherfucker, sit the fuck down. Shut up. That's true. That's true, Kerm. Stop bitching, Charles. That's crazy.

I will have to ask, Kerm, you did a wonderful job today. How does it feel to be sitting in? Hey, man. First and foremost, these lights are real bright. So I got to commend y'all and what y'all do on a weekly basis. Talk for an hour plus. It's a lot, you know. First half, I was like, this shit's easy.

Once y'all started talking Star Wars, I was like, yeah, that's a long day. It's a long day. It's a long day. We love you, Steve. We need you back. We talked about this, this Star Wars thing. This dude was like, I'm going to start watching Star Wars. You know, I'm going to watch.

I'm going to watch episode one, The Phantom Menace. All right. I saw Liam Nisa with a ponytail. There was some big green thing next to him. I was like... But that's a tough way to get started. I was like, this isn't for me. So I'm...

One day, I'm gonna give it the former watch. Stop doing that shit that black people do. Like, it's too much for me. I can't do stuff. Like, I feel like... I feel like all people do that. Not do black people. No, no, no, because like...

We can do our things. Yeah, what? Well, everybody does it. But Kerm was doing like, ah, Star Wars, too much for me. Why are you doing like that? I told you, four, five, six. It's human error.

On me, like, it was back when Netflix was sending out DVDs. I said I had Star Wars episode one sent to my trip. You were like six when they started sending out DVDs. We two years apart, bro. We two years apart. And I remember I was probably like 15, 14, maybe. And I put that on. And again, I was like, Liam Neeson, cool, why have the ponytail?

And big green thing, I turned it off in 15 minutes. And that's on me. I don't remember. Talk about Jar Jar Binks? Yes. Yeah. Turn about it saying green? There was something.

There was something. CGI creature with Liam Neeson early on it? Oh, no, no, no, no, the guys from the trading guild from the, oh, yeah, yeah, I know what y'all talking about. I was like, what the fuck is it? Yeah, yeah, they're no match for Drit Gita, guys. So, like, I'll admit that's on me, episode four, I will watch within the next three months.

Give me, give me time. You've never seen, all right, never seen New Hope, never seen Empire Strikes Back, never seen Return of the Jedi. I don't give a fuck what you watch. That's a wrap. On Thursday, House of R gives you there deep time on the Skeleto episode three. Also on Thursday,

Button Mash reacts to the new Indiana Jones game, which is called Indiana Jones. And the Great Circle. And the Great Circle. Next week, we'll be back. Is this Canon? Is that Canon Indiana Jones? This is another Indian Jones?

Probably not. Probably not. Next week, we'll be back with our skeleton crew reactions for episodes three and four with Steve, who we love dearly. Our producers are Jonathan, the, what do I call you, the Midnight? Big Magneto.

Big Magneto. Jonathan, Big Magneto. Jonathan, Big Magneto, Carma, Alea, S-O-B-Zerneris, Jomi, dinner on socials. No hashtag. Steve, not here. Hashtag Todd Phillips got to see Jomey.

Todd Phillips got to see Jomey, yep. I'm putting my money on time. Todd Phillips, whooped the piss out of you. And an additional deduction from Arjuna Ramble, pal. Chuck take us out. Hmm. Jeremy Island White is Baby Hut.

The Midnight Boys apologize to anyone we hurt. And as far as X-Men comics, sadly, which Marvel movies? Is Dark Night Rise is better than? A lot of them. A good chunk. A good chunk. Maybe like, about like two-thirds of them.

Two-thirds of them? I say two-thirds of them. Do you think the Dark Night Rises is better than Black Panther? No. Yes. Hey, record. We've been going. Dark Night, Dark Night rises is better than what?

It's not. That's crazy. What? I don't think it's a bad tape, but I don't have the heart to say it. It's not that much higher, but it's better. So this is. But you don't want to go like Black Man. I think that, okay, let's just talk about it.

Okay. Is Dark Night, okay, let's do it real quick. And we're going to put this either in the post credits or we can just go. No, so they probably already got it. But you started this saying what percentage of MCU movies is the Dark Night Rise is better. Is the Dark Night Rise is better than? Right. So do we want to go through the movies or we just want to do Black Panther?

Let's just do this real quick. Okay. So is it better than Black Panther? Yes. Is it better than Civil War? Yes. Dark Night Rise is better than Civil War. Yes.

I don't know. Yes. I can't co-time that big brother. I can't do that one. Okay. It looks better. There's more. quotables, the acting is better.

I'm not talking about the movies. I'm not talking about the movie. I would rather watch Dark Night Rise over some. Okay. Is it better than Winter Soldier? No. No. Is it better than, I mean, there are obviously movies.

I'm only going to name the MCU movies that we all agree with quality. Is it better than Thor Ragnarok? Is it better than Thor Ragnar? I think it depends on the day for that. Yes. Yes. Because it depends on what mood you're in. If Love and Thunder had it come out, I would still

I'd still give it. You can't do it that way. You know, you know that we look at the Thor movies a little bit different now because three out of four of them. Okay, is it better than Guardians of the Galaxy One? No. No.

So it's, okay. So Dark Night Rises is not better than Guardians of the Galaxy One. No. But it is better than Thor or Ragnar up to you. Okay. I don't think it's better than Thor Riding Rott. But I get this. Okay, this is fun.

I think if I had to think about it, I think Dark Night Rises is like, slotting it in the MCU, it's probably like top 10. Is it better than, let's, let's just, a couple of more

then we can move on and start the podcast. Is it better than, uh, the original Iron Man? No. Yes. No.

Dark Night Rogers is better than the original Iron Man. I would rather, yes, I would rather watch the Dark Night Ruis as a piece of art I think it's better than the original one. Would you,

would you say that it's better than, it's not more important though. There's a difference. Is it better than both? Uh, is it better than either in game or Infinity War? No. Infinity War is better than Dark Night Rises.

Don't do this. Dark Night Rises is better than Ending. Dark Night Rises is better than the business is InGate. I don't like Endgame now. Okay. I like Infinity War a lot. I think Endgame is like, Endgame gets the bump because it's just like it's the end of something,

but as a movie. It's spectacular. No, I'm sorry, no movie with Fat Thor playing Fortnite is going to get that type of respect. Okay, cool. You know what I'm saying? Okay, cool. Okay, real quick, and then we can move on.

Fashioning is crazy, by the way. And it is crazy, right? Especially when I'm sitting right here. Whoa, I'm not bad. I told you, you look good, man. You look great. Is it, okay. So I would assume that you guys have it better than all the Spider-Man movies.

Yes. All the-Haw and ones? All the MCU ones. Yeah. All the Spider-Man movies is better than all of them. Just Tom Holland, yes. So it's better than No Way Home? Yes.

Yeah. It's better than, okay, cool. All right. Obviously, there's no MCU. that movie that's come out in the last four years that it's not better than then. To Johnny's point, Dark Night Rises would be a top 10

MCU movie. Each other side of which, I'd probably have it like seven or eight, like just off the top of my head. Like, I don't think it's, if I'm, like, I think my hottest take about it is that it's not better, Dark Night Rises is not better than the first Avengers.

All right, come on. I don't think it is. I don't think it is either. I don't think it is. I don't think it is either. I don't think Dark Night Rises is better. than Avengers Ultron. Oh, wow.

Whoa. That's spicy. That's hot. That's spicy. There is, I don't even think there's any stunt. Is that anything they're like right, right? I don't think there's any stunt that's colder in honestly all of the MCU than like the first five or ten minutes of them ripping the fucking plane shit off and Baines.

It's practical and all that. That's great. Exactly. That's awesome. But like at the same time, Dark Night Rises is bloated. It is bloated. It goes on too long. gets difficult to, there's a lot going on and it loses itself.

But like, in terms of like I caught, like them chanting while he's climbing up for shit. Like, Bain walking into the football stadium when Bain is like punching the fucking columns and I'm like. But you said it was better than Civil War. I can't do that. So here, first of all, I don't like Civil War that much as a film. Okay. I don't think it actually lives up to the source material that well.

Fair. And I will be honest, if we're going to be real. I recently watched Dark Night Rises this year. It's aged incredibly well in terms of how it... It certainly has. In terms of how it looks like a movie. And I think what we're kind of running with a lot of the MCU movies, especially like the latter stage ones, is like they're kind of rough to look at.

I'm not going to hold you. There's only one thing that hasn't aged well about the Nolan movies. And it's the performance of Christian Bell. Really? Oh, you're lying, man. You are lying. As Batman or is Bruce Wayne or something? Just as a whole.

Just the only thing about those movies that hasn't aged well is his performance. You are. Respect bad flag, baby. That's the only thing. Respect badfleck, baby.