The Ringer-Verse - ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ Episode 2 Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

The Boys are back, and they’re excited to talk about all things Dunk and Egg! They dive into Episode 2 of 'A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms,' explore character dynamics so far in the show, and maybe even hit a few tangents along the way. (0:00) Intro (5:46) Spoilers Ahead (7:45) ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ Episode 2 Reactions (1:09:13) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Jade Whaley Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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locking. Your parents didn't like it. No, my parents are fine with the, it's the British one that I'm having trouble with. People aren't really messing with it, which I understand. Your workshop is bad. You know what? I didn't even want to bring this up talking about the people. I love the people, the midnight writers, the midnight mob.

Guys, they're working on the fucking room. Okay. We got new, we got the new studios of fucking Hollywood. It's in process. The fucking permits aren't here yet. Like, motherfuckers need to shut up. We saw the small table shit. It's every day.

It's like we're getting smaller every week. You know what I mean? Like, trust the process. But just, this is the last time we're saying, we're getting to a new studio. This is not it. Okay? We're getting it. We're getting a new studio.

So, shit. What do you guys don't like this? The internet? They like, Bill got the Netflix check. It says to fucking. It's fine to me. Set the blocks to the basement. I'm like, relax.

They got to chill, man. And by the way, you know, I knew. That was a lot. That was a law. That was. Crazy.

Crazy. I started He was asking the comments like whatever. This also just tells me how many of y'all not watching how are learning.

Because I talking about it. Also, I got to shoot our favorite white boys in bail. We went to go watch the game

at Steve's crib. He showed out. He really showed out. We've been giving them a lot. I mean, I learned a lot last time. So I'm not going to

I'm not fucking up like that again. Sugar free, Dr. Pepper. Yeah, man. Tris was flowing. And you know, it's a Bears game, man. It was going to be lit. It was crazy when Can't have made that throw?

I'm not even that mad. I'm not even that mad. That was sad. We all went crazy. It was a good time. Where were you at? Yeah, what was you at, man? Got food poisoning.

From where? I can't remember. Went to a couple of different places. These are places that I go. I don't want to shout these places out. I don't know which places. It wasn't all seasons. Let me say, I don't say I can't remember.

I don't really know. Two meals back to back. I had food poison. I had a really tough weekend as far as it was down, but then I was back up again. You know what I'm saying? Jesus. Right.

But Steve, I'm glad you can learn lessons. You guys, here's the deal. It's all about the conversation. It is. A lot of you guys are like, hey, you don't want to have a conversation. That's fine. It's all about the conversation.

What you do after that is cool. Like, I get called at least two or three times a week by women in my life and they say, you're a misogynist. And I say, okay, tell me why. And I have those conversations every week. Every week? Every week. You guys, I know some of the most brilliant.

Sometimes there's one, there's one, There's one brilliant lady in my life that doesn't even, like, call out the shit anymore. She just sends a Bell Hook's book. That's actually great. That's actually awesome. Every week you get a new Bell Hookbook. Y'all don't understand the amount, well, I don't know if you do or if you don't. Like, every single time I check my phone, there's somebody on some side of something saying,

yo, do better. Like, every single. I mean, my friends on the left, like, that are to the left of me, which is getting harder to be, Van, do better. My friends on the right, man, you seem like a cuck for the,

like every single I'm having, do you know, as a matter of fact, I want to address this. Don't podcast with me. Don't send me, if you are my actual friend. Don't, I swear to God,

I promise you. If you are my actual friend, don't send me shit that I said on the podcast. Don't do that. That is forbidden. If you do not know me, and you want to have a conversation, fine. I might, I might fuck around and give you my phone number.

I don't know why I do that. Sometimes I just have conversations. I do it, okay? But if you actually know me, don't, if you, the next time you send me something that I sent on a podcast to bring it up and have an important conversation, I'm going to curse you to fuck out. So what's wrong with that?

What's, what's your issue with that? It's getting too much. Now, the people that I've always, you don't want a podcast with your friends. You don't want a podcast with your friends. The people that I've always had these conversations with, that's fine. Right. because there are some people that I desperately need in my life

to make me a better, sharper, stronger thinker, right? And to continue to move me. That's fine. Obviously, my family and all that stuff is fine. Immediate family. If we cousins, if you're from my cousin from Apaloo says, yo, man, I want to talk about what you said that. A nigga, fuck you.

Like, I got to do it. So, like, don't send me that shit no more. But I get that all the time. And it's cool. But, like, that's not cool. I don't know why I'm acting like this cool. It's annoying. Right.

It's annoying. Man, let me tell you what you didn't see that Israel did last week. I don't care what they did. I'm against them. That's it. Okay. Okay, nothing. No, no.

I don't care what they did. On Sunday, Salk throws us back with Mal, Joanna, and Chris returning back to West Rose for a night at seven kingdoms. On Wednesday, we're covering Wonder Man. I only got my screeners. Finally. Finally got them, man. Have you been watching?

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What that means is that we are going to discuss not only this show, but things that might affect the Game of Thrones world at large. Game of Thrones world. We're going to try not to ruin anything from, that happens

to a novella that could happen in this show. We're definitely not going to do that. We're also going to try to keep the spoilers of the overall Game of Thrones lore to a minimum so that you can explore it

and get into it like Jomi and I have. Steve is not into it at all. He hates it. To this, Steve's spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about Night something. You're listening

to a reality. The Action Podcast. The spoilers are coming. All right, got to put you guys in the know. 30 minutes of TV. I loved it. But Chuck's got to do with the Midnight Manifest. Midnight Manifest for a Night of the Seven Kingdom second episode,

Hard Salt Beef, directed by Owen Harris, written by Aziz Barnes and Ira Parker. Throughout the second episode, we start to see more of Dunk's life with Sir Arlen, up to his death. But in the present, Doug is still searching for a knight or lord who will back his claim and thus let him enter the tourney. When the Targaryians come to town, Dunk sneaks into the fortress they're staying at. He learns that the prince's sons are missing, but he's inevitably caught. Dunk, as Prince Baylor, if he remembers Sir Arlen, which surprisingly the hand of the king does.

After a spirited back and forth, Baylor agrees to back Dunk, but demands that he make his own sigil, since only a trueborn son can inherit his father's. Dunk spends the rest of the day preparing for the tourney. He asks the Dornish puppeteer Tanzel to paint a sigil on his shield, while he barters with a blacksmith for armor. Unfortunately, Dunk must use his prize horse as collateral to be a turny to be a d'ornish puppeteer to for all this. And then the episode ends with Duncan Egg watching the first night of chowsting.

Start with you, fan. Already said you loved it. How did Night of the Seventh Kingdoms go down for you the second episode? Salt beef. Egg masterclass. Yeah.

Yeah. Great showing. Egg master class. Egg masterclass. So a couple of scenes. Number one, um, egg is,

egg is on his way. to being one of my favorite characters. So when Dunk is talking to the puppet lady. Tenzel, yeah. Tenzel, he's talking to puppet lady. And Dunk has stepped on it. Several times. And egg is right there to make sure it doesn't go bad.

He's like, you're perfect size. And we don't know perfect size for what. Is he talking about perfect size for getting down? Perfect size for being this lady? I don't think he knows what he's saying. I know. I thought was it like, because I was like, wait, how tall is she?

Maybe he, like, dunk like some tall. You know what I'm saying? Well, no, he's a guy that he, she's not too tall for him because he's the tallest motherfucker I reckon, right? Right. And, he's like, he sees them, and it's kind of both ways they're transfixed,

but there's also a job to be done here. Yeah. You need her to paint the, to paint the shield. So he's like, uh, for puppets. Puppets. And he's looking around. Very funny. Yes.

Then almost the very next scene. Is it the next scene where, they're watching Yeah, it's immediately after. Is that poorly handled? Like, was that poorly handled? He's talking about it. And Tunk says, you know,

they call me stupid. And goes, and? And he goes, I'm a kid. You're supposed to give me lessons. Is there anything else in God? You know, like, don't call me stupid. Like, what do you want?

Then, Wait, what is he? What is he going to say? There was commonality. Yeah, commonality. That particular sheet I love because it's kind of like you out with your boys and you might have sold an interaction

and like it's like, was that bad? It wasn't good, but you were in there. You're in there, bro. Don't worry. We was driving in Memphis and Ian, I might have told this story already. Ian was drunk. Y'all met Ian before, right?

Yeah. So Ian was drunk and we driving and Ian says, yo man, we had gone to this party. They were in there doing the bunny hop. It was the first time I seen the People do the bunny hop. I didn't know what they were doing.

It was an electric slide, but they were jumping around. I'm like, what the fuck? And like, the bunny hop was like, I guess it came from Louisiana, but I hadn't seen it yet, right? You know what I'm saying? Doing bunny hop. So we're up there. And Ian sees a couple girls. Tell us, you know, to drive up.

And, you know, it's like, Ian, you're drunk. I'm going to drive up and I'm going to get next to these girls. But don't fucking make a fool of us when I drive up and to get next to these girls. Famous last words. Nope. Wait, were you doing a stopping drive or were you doing like you rolling while they walk in? Nah, they're in a car. Oh.

So we're pulling up to them on some Shug fucking Tupac type shit. It's a hard move to pull off, especially when your man's driving. Very high risk. Wait, who's facing, is he, is it the driver's side? Gino's driving. Ian is in the passenger side. I am behind Ian and Ryan's on the other side. Okay.

Pull up to the girls. And Ian goes up and he goes... you just in that party? And they're like, yeah. Ian's a handsome guy. These girls are kind of like, you know, they're not repulsed by the side of it. Yo, were you just in that party?

And they go, yeah, yeah, we were there. Like, they waited. And then Ian goes, you were like the prettiest girl in there. And then I look at Ryan, I go, okay, we're not. It's not a great start. It's not a great start. Why did you let him leave?

He asked. Yeah, this was his initiative. I'm like, I don't know if, I mean, it's not bad to compliment, but like the way he said it, he screamed at them, it's cool. So they pull off. We follow again. We get to another light. And Ian goes, yo, I'm under the influence.

You know the influence of alcohol. Gino slams on the gas. He's like, what? And Gino's like, bro, you're a fucking mor. Like, what is wrong with you? Because Ian, he's hanging out the fucking window with a car. Is he usually scaring the hose when he's under the-

Hell now. Ian is one of the smoothest guys ever. Ian was... Just can't get him too lit. We have to tell Ian, yeah, slow down, bro. You can't, you know, can't fuck them all. But, but, like, what I'm saying is, like, in that situation, we were all many eggs.

Right. We were trying to get in the middle of it. So when you see your man, this is a very relatable scene, when you see your man fucking up with the girl that he likes, and you're trying to help him, because he's too transfixed.

I, like, that's like stuff you wouldn't expect to see in Game of Thrones because the original Game of Thrones, the show when it, when it hit the air, didn't make it seem like stuff like that ever happened. Everything was so desperate and everything was so pronounced. Yeah. And everything was so just to the core of every single character. Like, obviously this would be weird, but, I mean, this is weird. But, like, I would always wonder, how did Jamie and Cursie?

get to the point to where they were at in love. Their brother and sister. So, like, what happened? What was, like, the small talk? Yeah, like, what happened? But that kind of stuff doesn't really exist in Game of Thrones. Even with John and what was the Wilding lady? Eager.

Okay, so they fall in love, right? But it's very fraught because of the circumstances behind it. There's no, like, you know, like the little stuff that happens between human characters and other things like that that makes it cute or whatever. But in this show, because we do get some action, in this episode, to be able to go from that, that kind of relationship between Dunkin Egg and also the girl and do the same stuff that they've been doing in Game of Thrones, which is like sort of the pomp and the circumstance and the danger and all of that stuff, it's, it's

really quite remarkable that they're able to do it. I mean, one of my favorite scenes was another Dunkin Egg scene when they're having, when they're having a dinner. And basically, Egg looks at Dunk and he's just like, hey, you know, you. Yo, because I think Dunk says, it's like, you know, maybe even the Targaryians will, like, if I win here, would, like, let me be their night. And Doug looks at him, like, Mollfucking, why would the Targaryians ever hire a hedge knight? Are you insane? And he starts going, he's like, yeah, yeah, but you know, Sir Donald, you know, he started from a crab family.

And Egg looks like, motherfucker, he owns all the crabs in Westrose. They got stuff we usually would not see. No, yeah. But you got Neville babies in Westeroz, man. That's crazy. That to me was a fascinating scene. Yeah. Because that is just like, hey, once again, we're trying to establish a power dynamic between these two characters.

One of them is physically very strong. Actually, we don't even know how physically he is, how physically strong is yet. He's imposing. We do see that he is kind of the guy that turns the tide in the Tuggle War battle. Also a fantastic scene. Amazing. And then the other one is legitimate. has all of the knowledge that is needed to complete dunk.

If dunk is to become a good night, he has to have egg. And if egg is to become a knight at all, he has to have dunk. So they're doing a great job without actually pulling us by our tie to the conclusion that these characters need each other, of just showing where they fill things in within each other. I mean, even the night chouse, what was interesting, where it was like, it was like a show-don't-tell moment where you can see that like, oh, Egg wants to be this squire, but he's seeing the violence of this joust,

and he's seeing all the squires, like, having to run and give another lands and all this stuff, and I'm just like, oh, so you're already showing that, like, even Egg is like, all right, how do I become that? I'm this weak, very, like, non-imposing character. How do I even get there? And then

it's juxtaposed the entire episode by someone like Dunk being like, when we think of someone like John Snow in in Game of Thrones, we're like, he has so little, but you're like, oh, Sean never had to worry about armor. He didn't have to worry about a horse. Dunk is someone who's like,

who has to give up his horse just to get some armor and not even own it. And you're just like seeing how like this guy has to like start from Hedge Knight and do everything just to get to the point where he can enter the turn. I'm like, oh, this is fucking fascinating. Steve, what you got?

It's fascinating and it's especially like due to the physicality of Dunk and how he imposed. on no one yet kind of asks everything of the world around him in the most earnest way that is the complete antithesis of

the Game of Thrones show as we know it, the IP as we know it, that makes me fall in love with this. To me, the best scene in this entire episode was when he was beseeching the Targaryen air

to more or less let him into the lists only because he has yet to tell another story about how his master served under him and had bested one of the lanisters in another tournament that he could barely remember his name, let alone who this other lanister was.

He has to recite all of these stories to all of these people. He's seemingly been going around this entire camp telling everybody who his master served because he served hundreds of people. And none of these people knew his name. None of these people could even recall what he did. and this is the most important thing that he could possibly muster

just to get into this one place and seeing these Targaryens one regard him like absolutely like disregard and like kind of be an asshole to him as you see what would be a scene in any other house of the dragon or Game of Thrones scene play out

you're like oh man my sons are missing this is surely going to topple an empire like I'd burn down like you know seven kingdoms just to get my kids back. And that little girl that's like in the back is like, oh my God, the biggest thing ever is happening. The princes are missing. And he's just like standing there.

You're big and stupid. That to me is the complete ethos of what I've wanted to see is the perspective of the small folk. And he embodies that perfect. And it's very well said. It's also interesting that like this entire show, it's different than Game of Thrones. of Thrones was, you know, and this is, I'll try not to like ground my entire analysis of this show

in comparison to shows before it. But Game of Thrones is normally a show about power, the struggle of power. Who can manipulate both sword and shield, but also a relationship with people to get what they want, right? Who can raise an army? You have to form an alliance so that you can raise an army, right? Who gets the gold? Who gets the gold? Which side of the the Targaryian dynasty is going to win the Targaryen civil war by convincing others that their cause is just, right? It's power struggle. This show is a struggle for humanity and help.

Like, Dunk walks into the Targaryan world and gets treated like nothing by one of the heirs, right? And then something by the heir. Like Baylor decides to go, you know what? You can join up for whatever reason. He just decides to help him. But he also, what I thought was great about this scene is he remembers, which is like says something about Baylor, where it's like,

because even during that scene, the interesting thing is like, you realize Dump does not know how to talk to lords and royalty because he's like, no, it was seven. And he's just like, it was for this shit gets in the telling, gets fucking fucking. And then he's overly apologetic. He's like,

oh, I fucked up, I fucked up. And the actual, the king is like, get the fuck out of here. But this is like a really interesting exploration of the world, right? Because, like, would you expect that to exist? Like, would you expect in this world to be able to just go to somebody for help when it doesn't benefit you? I know. You'll help someone.

If you're talking to the wildlings and you're like, yo, we need to get together to fight the night king. Well, you have to tell them that if you don't do this, then he's going to come north, kill all of you guys too, right? In this situation between Baylor and Dunk, this doesn't help Baylor at all. No. No. This does nothing for Baylor. For Baylor to be the one person that goes, you know, I do remember that guy. Like, I remember that guy.

Like, not only do I remember him, but, no, I'm not even sure of what you're saying. It's true, but why shouldn't you have the opportunity to fight? Like, why shouldn't you someone that wasn't born to a noble house or something like that not have the chance at glory? You should. I'm going to give it to you. It's like legitimately asking the question whether or not there's just decency in this world. Just somebody that's like willing to give you a hand up and help you out.

And that's why like you and you brought on earlier, the difference between like this show and the others and the Game of Thrones universe is just the kindness that people show Dunk. Like in people at this, Game of Thrones, you're scrapping by. John Snow's foreign for his life every episode. DeNaris out in Esos is going crazy. Dunk is like, he goes to the armor and he's like, yo, I ain't got 800, my man.

He's like, all right, bro. here's for six. I can make some for it. Just give me the medal and like Crown Prince. The Crown Prince is like, bro, I got you. And he provokes that out of them.

Over two episodes, it's just been like, even the horse in the first episode, it was like, yo, y'all will be a little mean. They're like, oh, you know, our fault. Let's try to help you.

Like that type of kindness, we don't really see, like we see it in pockets of Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon, but through two episodes for that to be the prevailing fame, I think that's like the success of the show. and why the show is going to, like, as we go forward,

I want to see that motif and how it grows because I'm like really, it's really, it's crazy, though, like watching Gemberthrohn's episode and be like, man, that was great, man. The vibes aren't ruined. I feel great. You know, like, that doesn't happen. But how do you guys feel like they handle,

this is the first show that we've gotten, it's only a second show, but it's the first show we've gotten where we've gotten some action. How do you guys feel like they handled the action in the show? I loved it. Like, I actually, once again, something like the tug of war, is not an action scene,

but it says so much about the characters that it feels like a way. Same thing when it's like at the end of the episode when Duncan Egg are having this moment where they're like they're in awe of the joust, but it's also dawning on both of them how much farther they have to go in their journey. I think it's a very, very good lesson

for anybody who makes this type of content, this fantasy content to be like, oh, the battles don't have to have a thousand people and CGI and monsters and all this shit. Sometimes it just needs to be rooted in what does this character want and how hard is it going to get it? Is it going to be for them to get it?

Yeah. It's not even overly bloody. Like nobody loses a head or like you don't see guts flying. Because I remember the first episode of House of the Dragon. Like that tourney was brutal and terrible and horrifying. And this was just like very chaotic. Like a bunch of people flying around. And Dunk just observed.

it and thinking about the enormity of the task that he has signed up for. Like those are real, like, nice. Those are guys who've been doing this forever. He's like, ah, this is my first time. I don't know if I got it like that. But even to show that he's slightly intimidated, like he almost has a panic attack, right?

Yeah. He wants so much. And to examine want in this, like, do you want it that bad? Are you willing to go through all of this? You guys, just for, Not glory before identity. See, it might seem as if the character is chasing glory.

He wants to be the biggest, baddest night around. It's actually not true. He just wants to be a knight at all. Yeah. Like my psychiatrist who told me that I'm not my psychiatrist, my therapist who told me that I'm a sociopath, that I tell you guys this? I heard this, yeah.

What? My therapist told me I deal with some sociopathy. Okay. Yeah. So, that's interesting. So, um... Can you a leopard on that? Well, I told him that my,

my main goal in life was to be a completely and totally authentic person. I don't care about like making $100 million movies or doing all that stuff. All I want to be is completely authentic, right? And be able to deal with whatever criticism comes from that. And he goes, well, how are it you authentic? And I go, you know, it's like sometimes when I'm in a situation, I know how to spin a yarn to glamour someone to get them to like me or have a positive interaction with me.

He goes, oh, huh. It's a little sociopathy there. Like, what do you mean? He's like, do you say things that aren't true? I was like, no, I don't say things that aren't true. But I go out of my way to learn a lot about people to be able to connect to who they are and where they come from. Oh, so you can invest it in them. I go, no.

So they'll think I'm funny and cool and nice and sweet. And he goes, huh, so it's for you. And I go, not just for me, but kind of. And he goes, yeah, so there's just a tad of sociopathic thing. You're describing all of Hollywood. Well, but he goes, but that's what he said, though. Right. He said, you probably, he says, as you are on your journey,

We're going to unravel that a little bit. And we're going to pull that apart just a little bit so that we can have this conversation. But then he also gave me a nugget. And the nugget was about identity. And he said, as it relates to identity, he goes, a lot of people want stuff. But the reason why they don't attain it is because they don't see themselves as a thing that they want. Right. And he was like, when you were in great shape all throughout your 30s, like, how did you maintain it?

Right. And I was like, I maintained it because there would be stuff in front of it. me. I wouldn't eat it. I wouldn't touch it, but I ran three miles a day. I played enough basketball. I did all of that stuff. He goes, because you saw yourself and conducted yourself as a version of you that you wanted to be. So it was part of your identity to eat a certain way. It was part of your identity to work out a certain way. He was like, anything that you want, it has to be a part of your identity to be that. And then you won't have problems with discipline because it'll be who you are. And like when I was watching this show, I'm thinking, this is the,

show about two, this is a show about two people trying to establish identity, trying to establish the identity of a knight. Why don't they believe that they can be a knight? Well, the kid thinks he's too small. He's too small. He doesn't think that he can be a knight because he's too wimpy. He's small for his age. The grown-ass man has not been birthed into knighthood in the way that most people are. He has to go at it a different way. How do they assert who they actually are and how do they help each other do that? And this world around them, does the Game of Thrones world

have the ability to take someone with dreams, with goals, and make them into who they actually want to be? How many times have we actually seen that in Game of Thrones? We haven't really. We haven't really seen it. We've met fully formed characters and watch them battle with their identities,

their identities battle against each other. It's really awesome, like watching someone who, like, has a very human, how am I saying this, who has human ambitions that we can all relate to and trying to see if this world

can nurture that. I mean, because his goals are completely against every most characters that we've ever seen in Game of Thrones. Like, he doesn't want power.

He doesn't want acolydes or glory or anything like that. He wants to be what he believes is a decent person and a good, glorified person.

And that's the person that raised him to be a knight. And if he can embody an achievement, those things in the material because that's the things that you get. Everything is an obstacle to get to that point. Okay, I don't need the title.

There weren't any witnesses to my knighting. There weren't any, like, actual written documents that I had to do it. I have to make my own sigil. I have to do all of these things. Making the sigil, though. It's his own thing. Establishing who you are. Exactly.

Like making the sigil, what would your sigil look like? If you have to have a sigil, everybody go through and, like, tell us right now. Because think about it. Making your own sigil. Yeah. is establishing who you actually are. Baylor tells him, hey, that's not your father. Doesn't matter.

You can't ride around with his sigil. You got to make your own sigil. But it's also so funny that Baylor is just like, Dunk finally thought he got everything. He's like, man, I'm going to be in this. And the hardest thing that he has to think of is like, all right, need your own sigil. And he's like, no idea.

And he has to define himself. Yeah. And Egg helps him. Yes. Like Egg helps him define himself just in the little time that they've known each other. Let's think about your life and how you are and the things that you do and what you would put on this thing that's going to live beyond you. That sigil is a picture, but it's also like a headstone as well. And the episode starts with Dunk and Sir Arlen under that tree and you realize like, oh, okay, this is the moment.

This is a moment of fatherly love. And already we've seen that Dunk has told Egg the same thing where he's just like, hey, you don't have a tent. And he's like, we'll be under the trees. Like, trees leak. And you're just like, hey, if it leaves it. And it's like, so for, to your point for Egg to be the person who's already seeing in him, he's like, the tree, the hedge, this is your symbol.

And also what I think is so genius about this show is it almost has the structure of a sports drama where you're like, Sir Arlen is this mentor who talks. him how to play, what it means to be a night, and then to get into the league and be like, oh, they don't play like this. Like, this is a different fucking world. Like, no one cares about my rules. Not only that, the person who defined me and mentored me,

am I going to be able to use any of this in sport? And I'm like, that's interesting. DeMar de Rosen. DeMare de Rosen. DeMondi, like, somebody, somebody was getting busy one time and somebody said, hey, man, you.

going to be able to make your living in the NBA from 17, just like Jordan did, just like Kobe did. And then DeMarreuxon got into the league and people was like, we don't want to hear that goddamn mid-range shit. Yeah. But you know what he was able to do? Score anyway. Yep. Professional score. Very dependable score.

Right. Even though what he was taught didn't exactly translate to the style of play that was in the NBA, he still became the man of sorts. DeMarter Rosen has had like a Hall of Fame career. I mean, everybody in the NBA has a Hall of Fame career. But he's had a Hall of Fame career. All right, but I don't want to skip over this sigil. I feel like here, I feel like you shouldn't be able to define your sigil.

We should be able to go around. So what's Jomey's Sigel? Oh, man, Jomi's Sigel is, okay, so like a chef's hat? Chef's hat, yes. I was more so thinking like a goblet of milk. Okay, goblet of milk? That's no. That's true?

No. And there's another shield for. Agents of shield. Yeah. Just a shield on a shield. Yeah. Well, it's the shield logo. Let's have some shame.

Come on. Hold on. So, like, okay, but when I think of Jomi, I think, chef, Nigerian, yeah. White women. That can't be true. That's what I think about. Wait, wait, a fair maiden, a fair white maiden with a bowl of Joloff.

Oh, okay. Like a, okay. Like Haley Steinfield. Yes. Haley Stimphil. With a bowl of Joloff rice. With a bowl of Joloff rice. It's funny.

Okay. But she's standing. Okay. She's in the Nigerian flag colors. Oh. But, okay, but we don't make the, we're going to make this. But we don't make the Nigerian flag colors, like the actual flag. We make like a, so what are the colors again?

Green and white. Okay, so green and white. So, like, the chef's hat is really, really white. Okay. Super white. And that kind of gives you the feeling of the Nigerian color. But behind the chef's hat, she's, like, right next to a gigantic, like, green pond. Yeah.

And like, you know what I mean? She's like a fair maiden. So she's got the, and you get the Nigerian coming from it. All right, what's in the sky for Jomey? What's in the sky? What's in the sky? You need something in the sky for the sigil. Oh, you're making this, okay, because I'm thinking of like a normal night's cigil where it's like usually like four symbols to exemplify.

No, we're doing it like what we would put on Jomi's shield. What's in the sky for Jomey? Trying to think. Anybody can chime in, Alia, anyone. I feel like, Johnny, you got an idea. No. Oh, you know what? I just think his sky needs to be the color.

Blue Lagoon. Okay. Because I will always remember Joe takes a Blue Lagoon to the face. All right, Steve. Steve. Okay.

Need some fries there. Fries, yeah. Fries. I think a bear. Shout out to Chicago Bears. A bear eating fries. Okay, but let's do this. So there's a bear that's

standing in a field. Right. Okay. Right. The field, the wheat of the field is fries. It's actually little fries. You can't really see. Oh, my gosh.

And the bear has a Jordy LaForge glasses on. Yeah. Oh. I love this. And the bear then has a sword. Right. Right. Does the bear have a black woman in his other arm?

She's not white. So. People have been debating for either. What race of the woman was on the almond sigil? Yeah. Some scientists couldn't agree on what it was. She's not white. Right.

She definitely not white. So the one thing they could agree on. She's not white. And like, what's the last thing? Something that has to do with Selma. Oh, that's the lady of non-white or, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we got a bear with the fries. It's not exactly joyful, like the fries down there.

Like, what else? Is there anything else? I feel like the bear being the House of Almond is pretty strong. Yeah. That's pretty strong right there. Oh, oh, okay. One last thing. It's like snowing.

It's winter. Oh, there you go. It's winter. It's winter. It's cold weather. It's cold weather, but the wheat is still growing. That's because it's fries. It's actually fries.

It's like the wheat is fries. Like, that's, that's Steve's. Yeah. Chuck. Chuck. I just see the Evangelian chair meme where he's just like crying in the chair. I don't know what that is. How do you say?

Don't worry about it. What's the thing? Oh, this is evangelicalian. Absolutely. Yeah. Oh. We're sad. Yeah.

I'll wipe that shit out of my mind. That shit, man, look. Come on. Y'all, y'all, I'm going to send y'all to my therapist. I can't believe y'all watching that show. Fuck that show. Fuck that show. That show.

You didn't finish you. I didn't. I'm not looking at that shit. That shit too sad. This is like my, you know how many times it took people to get me to watch Ballastar Galactica? It's amazing, but it's amazing. But it's so sad. That's a sad-ass show.

I don't know if I can fucking do it. Like, Well, I'm watching that shit, and then we're trying to take Denmark. I got you. One, like, either the reality or the shit. Okay. So. I want some anime titties on my shield.

Anime titties on your shit. Right, right. Oh, oh, oh, this is, okay. So we got, we got, like, so there has to be Japan imagery. It's basically looks like anime. They got the cherry blossoms. It looks like that one dude's car that you see at the gym where it's just like all. It's like a rap with, like, anime stuff where you got Goku over the whole Nissan ultra.

So. And it's go. Yeah, what's his day from, Jizu Kaysen. It's an anime rap. So we got... It's Freeran. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a character.

There's a character on there. So we're going to put a knight on there. But the knight is dressed in like samurai-type guard. Right? Right, yeah. The knight is dressed in samurai-type guard. In the knight's hand is going to be a pencil that kind of looks like a sword. Oh, I'm sure.

Because he's a writer. Okay. Right. And there's going to be a red sun behind this night. France All right Japan Right

What do you know about Japan Like what What do you think of? Yeah, Once again You gotta go man Y'all don't want To answer to that question

Don't want to You actually don't The answer is J.A. V No Like you don't want to answer that question It's got to be a category

You're like That's got The greatest JV is a different Because they just But you just say the numbers They just have names JAB 56774 a dash B. Like, you can't even, like,

they don't even have pain. It's real goon. I know, man. Time for bad. Okay. I got, it's, like, it's probably like LSU colors. Probably, right? Probably LSU colors. You probably, you gotta have Louisiana on there. Yeah. I think

Bozeman should be a horse. Oh. Yeah, yeah. I'm on a horse that's like, okay. And no, soar, lightaber. Lightaber? Lightaber. And you've got a laptop. Is he carrying cup water? You've got a laptop? No, no, no, he's got a laptop at and lotion in the other.

Yeah. I'm not lotion, no. I'm way past that. By dry beaters, okay. No, no, no, no. All right. Dry beaters? No, no, no.

Steve, no. I'm way past that. I'm way past that. I've already need a full time out. I've already told me. What do you? No, no, no, no.

I didn't say no lubricant. I said no lotion. What lubricant are you using? Three parts of coconut oil. One part of olive oil. It's a lot. Okay. It's cool.

Let's just move on. Let's just move on. Let's just move on. He got the cream. He got to measure this. He got the gas. He's got to skill. No, that's what he's making.

He's making the... 800 grams, coconut oil. If you're... All I'm saying... All I'm saying is, if you don't treat yourself right, nobody would. Are you warming the lubricate up? I'm just telling you guys, right now, we don't want to make this whole podcast about this. We have a great, wholesome thing.

Do you have a taxi shop, then? You can send you to your gritty, he can wake him. Yeah, great wholesome thing. Oh, my God. All right, so we met, okay, let's, every episode, let's talk about the new characters that we met. So, we talked to a little bit about Sir Baylor. Talked a little bit about Sir Baylor.

Because he's the hand of the king in heir to the throne. Yes, crown prince. His brother. Makar. Is the current king. Current king. That motherfucker did not give a fuck. He looked so pissed off.

Wait, his brother's not the current king. No, no. His brother, his dad is... They're on the good. They're on the good. The son of one of the worst Targaryian kings. Yes. He's the last...

So, Darren is the crown prince. He's the oldest brother. Maycar is the last brother. Okay. Of the Targaryen family. Who's a complicated character, it seems like, because he's... Well, no. Let's analyze the character real quick.

So Baylor, we see, is a good guy. He seems to be very pragmatic. and he sees to care about the little guy. But he also seems cunning. He almost, because, like, I don't know if I read him as good so much as when, when he's asked, like,

wait, why the fuck do you know all this? He's like, I'm making my job to learn everything about my enemies. I'm like, oh, okay, so he's smarter than everyone in this room. Well, you know what's interesting about that? Is that, to me, was to sell him to us as somebody who would be a good ruler.

Because think about the kid. kings that we have really met in this world, they are intellectually very lazy. Yeah. Like, Ned's curiosity got him killed, right? So a lot of the kings

that we meet are really jerked around by people who are advising. They're puppets. Joffrey was a puppet. Jopry was a puppet. Stannis was sort of a puppet. So it makes a good hand of the king, but maybe not necessarily a king. In the Game of Thrones world that I've seen,

the hand is normally way more important than the actual king. Oh, yeah. The Dick Cheney of this world. The Dick Cheney of this world. In this situation, though, with this guy, that sentence there was very important. And the fact that he knew all that because he's intellectually ambitious, right? He, like, wants to know these things, which tells me he wants to rule justly and efficiently, which you don't always get from a Targaryen.

You don't always get from the king somebody that cares of. about knowing things like this. It kind of was the signal virtue with him to me. But it's also, it could easily just be a Targaryen kind of being a little pragmatic, knowing that this is the small folk. This is somebody who I should want to be perceived as benevolent, perceived as nice and caring. Even as smart as I am, I do know who this guy is and I could help him out. But it also would be good to know that if this guy really likes me,

that he would tell all of his friends how benevolent and nice I was. But that's how that's how that. That's not how the Targaryians operate. It could be how this one. It could be like normally, I'm not saying there've been good kings, they've been bad kings. Yes. Right?

But, okay, let's forget about good or bad. Forget about good or bad. What would separate Tywin Lannister in the first Game of Thrones show from everybody else? Ari is standing in a room full of people. They don't know that she is a girl. Lancer pays attention to everything.

And then he goes, you know, that is, in fact, a female person. That is, in fact, a young lady. Right. Just that observation puts him right away, through the writing, puts him on a different level than everybody else in that room. He's noticing smaller things that don't make him necessarily good or bad, but that is a virtuous thing. That is a good quality that he has.

He's dangerous. He's capable. he's perceptive. In this situation, while everyone else is so, he goes to all the lords of all the other houses, right?

All the houses that we've liked and haven't liked, the Tyrells, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

Brathians, all of them. None of them really can see, like, what's going on with him. One guy has. That's a virtue. That's like the fact that you can't put one past this guy.

Yeah. Like, he, he kind of, I don't know if he's so much, like, just auditioning for the small folk. I don't know that would make that much sense, he's the fucking

Crown Prince. Sure. But what does make sense is that where everyone else was incurious about this person, he just went, huh, you have that wrong, but there's something interesting about you. Let's just see what you got.

He doesn't just close people off. He also didn't like give it to him. He was like, who was the guy that your master whatever, unjusted? He investigated it. investigated it. He was like, who's the guy? And dunk thick as a castle wall, took him a second. But he solved it. And after that, he's like, all right. So you're locked in. That's all good. And when he's out the door, he's like, actually, you need your own sigil because you can't inherit. I mean, it's

common knowledge, but he didn't have to say that. But yeah, right, it's kindness, but I don't think it's malicious or like, black-handed. I think that was him saying, you got to go out there and be your own person. If you're going to do it, do it the right way. If you're going to do it, like,

you got to go out there and be your own person, these are the rules. What I was saying about Megar is that his, he comes across, there are three really funny scenes in this, and one of the funniest scenes is in the exchange where he goes, I trust that they aren't dead.

Yeah. And the M. Bancar goes, what? Why would you say that? You really don't know what to say. But he says he wants his son to be a better person. And that's a small line. Like, he's in there.

He's tersed with everyone. He's short with everyone. But when his son is criticized, he doesn't say, oh, that's a prince. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. The dragon will roar and burn. whoever the fuck we want to burn down, he goes, he's going to be a better guy, and I will die trying to make him a better guy. And even though our first meeting with him is like, he looks like the asshole in the room, that was sort of interesting that he had ambitious for his son to be better, which sometimes what we see with princes and heirs is just people covering up for the mistakes that they make.

Well, is this also like a new, not a new version of the Targaryians, but what I think is so interesting in the Game of Thrones world is like, there's a mysticism around them because they have the dragons. And then when we're introduced to them in Game of Thrones, by the end of the first season, we're like, oh, no, Danny is the chosen one to a certain extent. And how's the dragon goes a long way to be like, these motherfuckers got magic and they control in dragons. It's interesting to me to be in a world now where the Targaryians are essentially

just politicians where it's like people have to go to a puppet show to see dragons like most people don't even remember anymore

and I was like oh that's fascinating because it's leading us to like the conclusion of like someone being like are these motherfuckers still on the throne

if they don't have atomic weapons anymore and I could see even like in that room them already realizing like if we don't have the people on our side

myth and the power of the dragon only means so much because we don't have them anymore. So my son does need to be a better person. Well, that's also to Steve's point, though. To Steve's point, to Steve's point, like Baylor coming to this tournament is maybe him realizing that he has to sort of engage

in outreach with the small foe because he just can't burn him up anymore. I mean, that's a pretty politics. What does fucking Trump do every single time? like the economy is not doing what it's supposed to do whatever. He's like, all right, we got to go to fucking Pennsylvania to a rally and get these fucking people. That's the old Trump. Yeah.

The new Trump is like, listen. This is, yeah. We must have Gwlingland. I wasn't, I wasn't giving the Nobel pretext. He just said, wait a minute, I don't want to talk about that. Y'all is it true? Is it true? I was like shit at this point.

He might. He might. He might. He might. It's got to feel crazy. Like, I'll tell you straight up right now. And you listen to this. and I don't mean to put politics in it.

If you're still with the shit, you're fucking dumb. I'm going to go on CNN in a couple of days. I promise you I will say that. If you, I vowed to say it. If you're still with it now, you're stupid. You're dumb. He told the fucking Greenland people, he said, you guys didn't give me the fucking Nobel Prize,

and that might make me come take your country. I don't know what to tell you. What is that to be? It's like, even if you want lower taxes, come on, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? So it is what is. What I will say, though, and I'm going to pose this to a question to you guys. This is a Targaryen that doesn't have, Daron doesn't have, or Baylor, sorry, doesn't have the white hair.

He's got the dark hair. Right. Mom, Dornish. Mom is Dornish. You think that's playing a part in him being like a nice guy, like other people, because he doesn't look like a traditional Targary. I'll tell you what is. A lot of things that have happened up to this. point. Now, his grandfather

was a real shit son of a bitch right? Yeah. That tried to act like his dad wasn't it actually son. So his father had to actually govern as a good and humble king. He was in the midst of

rebellion from his bastard brothers. After the backfire. This is during the backfire around. So, you know, what he actually learned was that his blood alone would not insulate him from challenge. His blood alone, like not even blonde hair, and the genetics and DNA of Targaryenness would make him powerful. There had to be more things that he did. His father had a son,

a true son, and decided that because another guy, if you were getting into, you know, lower again, because another guy fit the bill of a Targaryen more that he was a true Targary. and gave him the family's sword and just the weapon and then the weapon to rebel. He gave him a rebellion. And so he was a good king and he probably learned more from that than anything else. His black hair is probably even genetically a sign of rebellion against the Targaryan status quo. Like he can't be like the rest of him because being like the rest of him has never allowed him like the power and the access to the rest of him. of them.

I've had you're saying even internally within the family, what it means to be a Targaryen is already getting warped in terms of just like, what does it mean to be a true Targaryen? If we're believing in our own myth, does that make us worse rulers? And Baylor kind of being like, hey, I need to use cunning. I need to pay attention. I actually need to use common sense in this world to get far versus like, I'm a Targaryen. Shut the fuck up with him. Well, the history of the Targaryians has always been that question, right?

Like there's the history of the Targaryans is we are fire breathing invincible gods that this land is betrothed to us by destiny. Then there's another Targaryian that goes, wait a minute. Like we have a duty to the people here. We have a duty to the realm. We have a duty to the kingdom. This power that we have is actually not a flex. it's a responsibility. What's the pushing pool there?

Remember, the thought is like, you know, when a Targaryan is born, like, you know, the whole world holds their breath. It's the roll of the dice or whatever. In this particular case, the fact that his hair is dark to me is interesting because it takes the audience. A lot of the audience isn't going to know some of the lore or stuff that we know.

But it takes the audience out of their perception of the Targaryen. You're allowed as an audience to look at him and not really have a preconceived notion because he doesn't look like the rest of the people that have been fighting. Besides John, John is the only other, like dark-haired Targaryen that we've seen. Those dark jeans, man.

Yeah. I think it's also kind of beautiful because I'm not want to care about that, those types of things in this show, because our main character doesn't care. You don't care about nothing. It's not that he doesn't care because he obviously cares about who is in charge

and who are the people that can get him the things that he wants, but like he doesn't have manner of being like, oh man, like, you better say the right things in front of this guy or like hold your tongue when you're not saying this. Because like, oh, so a lovable loaf. But he doesn't, I love him. He doesn't care. He's great.

Who? Dunk dumb as hell, man. Not, whoa. No, man. Dunk isn't dumb. I just think that he is smart in ways that this world does not apply. I don't know. I think he's earnest to a fault.

But it's also earnest to that provokes kindness out of people. I mean, we talked about, I mean, you mentioned earlier, the conversation they have after the, after he sells a friend of Townsale, and he's like, he's like, I'm, call me stupid. And you're going to ask a follow-up question, you don't teach me something?

When they're having dinner that night, and he talks about, oh, yeah, he was a stepstone, his dad owns half the crabbers in Stepstone, whatever. He's like, how'd you know that? Like, that's the first time Dunk has ever asked a follow-up question in his life, right? Only for him to be interrupted or for them to get sidetracked.

It's crazy, like, how much is going on. And Dunk does, not that he doesn't care, but doesn't, like, think to, like, investigate. But, like, there's so much going on, and he's not inquisitive to, like, why things are happening and, like, why things are the way they are. It's just really, it's really funny to see. But here's the thing.

Dunk does understand the natural world. When that horse, that war horse is, like, fucking everybody up, it takes him, like, I know what to do. Where I'm like, to me, Dunk is not worldly. Yeah. But he, because he was a squire for a hedge knight, he's seen a lot of the world. He's been around a lot of horses.

He's seen a lot of battles. There is something about him where it's like when he's around all of these posh circumstances, maybe he does not know how to intellectually go bar for bar with these people. But I do think that there is something in him that people are like, oh, like, you live with the freedom that we want. You know, you're describing? You're saying that Dunk is the Joe Rogan of Worcesteros. All right. Oh, no, no.

No, no. That's what you're saying. Why would you say? Why would you say that? Because here's the deal. Like, you see Joe Rogan and he's talking to people and they're talking about, you know, it's like aliens have built stars and you got to go there. And the only way to stop the stars from exploding is to give all the power in the world

to RG3 and Sam Altman, not RG3, RFK and Sam Altman are all of these people. And, you know, he's sitting there. He's talking to Sam Altman and you're like, yo. Are you going to say something to him? He just said that we should put chips in the blood of human beings and then make them into robots. Are you going to push back? And Joe Rogan just goes, wow, it's interesting ideas. Think about it.

Chips are awesome. Humans are awesome. You combine chips and humans. What are you got? It's fucking probably something like. Human Doritos. Don't want to be closer to like a Josh Allen. Everybody wants the best for him.

We haven't seen him turn that bitch over yet. We don't know what he's capable of. to dunk. Okay, so we have, but what he is, is somebody that like, even though people love him. People love him. And let's face it, people love those Austin podcast bros. They love the fact that they're just kind of human guys that kind of get into the whole deal. When you ask them to stand up to something, they kind of sometimes cuck the fuck out.

Right. Right. If the person is more powerful, we've kind of seen that from Dunk a little bit, but not that much. But there's, and we don't ever. want to talk about this, but people admire powerful people, but as far as people that they want to hang around

with and be around and really love, they're almost never powerful. No. They're almost people that they can, they're always people that they can see the humanity and just frailty and just somebody that you feel like you can talk to. Speaking of people with terrible morals

and making videos, you guys seen Danica Patrick's YouTube channel lately? What are we doing? No. What happened? I know that she's not great. That's something that you would see before us. I was in the office of Kai yesterday. And for whatever reason, like, he brought it up. Just scroll.

April, Elizabeth April, everything you need to know about reptilians. Are aliens? I did not know that she was that far off the deep. I knew she dated Aaron Rogers. But I did not know it was that far off. It was like aliens are in the ground and, yeah. Some people think that she did that to him. Dr. Stephen Greer, aliens,

like how Rick Rubin got to Kanye? I think that's what it is, but just like if you just, for a second, don't watch no videos, don't give her no money, but just scroll through the titles. Why do you give a fuck about what Danica Patrick says, though, for real? Because at one point, she was a normal human being who couldn't like race for real, but it was like, oh, DeNac Patrick was after doing NASCAR, it's life and you. And then you, like, wake up, like, 10 years later, it's like, oh, actually, she's, this is insane. This is why you do got to watch out who you let's at a friend friend group, because it's like one, it's one person who's really into conspiracy theories. and actually just like I'm into the ones that are good though

What are the ones that are good? I mean you know just like Kennedy assassination King assassination Conspiracy theory I mean there they are conspiracy theories though Like a lot of it is like silly conjecture I don't believe in a lot of them I think I spent a lot of time on Wikipedia I don't think like

I think Kennedy it was Lee Harvey Oswald I think Can you guys a question? What? Are any of you familiar with the church committee? No All right, before you say that you don't believe in any conspiracy theories. Oh, my God.

You should be allowed to. I don't believe that. No, no, get your shit off. Get your shit off. Get your shit off. Get your shit off. Before you say you don't believe in any conspiracy theories. Okay.

I want you to familiarize yourself with the church committee hearings. This was a senator in the 70s. This happened. This is not, this is, this happened. This was a senator in the 70s who sought to declassify a lot of things that were classified and then bring CIA and other people to bear to talk about some of the stuff that they were doing in the 60s. And in the church committee hearings,

this is one of the things that, like, if it was me, if I had my own high school, this is one of the things I would make sure people knew about. They essentially talk about all of the shit, or not all of the shit, but a lot of the shit that the CIA was doing, they talked about fucking heart attack guns. They talk about all kinds of stuff

that the CIA was a gun that hits you and makes you fucking have a heart attack. They talked about all of the stuff, that the CIA was trying to do and all this type of shit and they're talking about it and they have to testify and a lot of the shit

that they're admitting to is shit that you would not believe unless they were under oath to testify that it was true. Look it up right now. You guys think that I'm... Look it up. Okay.

They were in real dangerous here. How are we being dangerous? This was a Senate subcommittee hearing. Hold on. We're talking about token egg for a second. Nothing to do enough. Look. The church committee, a U.S. Senate select committee in 1975 that investigated abuses by the Central Intelligence Agency, the national security agency, and the FBI.

Look, revelations of the committee include Operation MK Ultra, which involved drugging of U.S. citizens as part of human experimentation on mind control. Coal and tail, pro. That's the fucking, look, you're taking down the goddamn blackberries. All of this stuff, Operation mockingbird. Do you know what this is? What does that have to do with MLK or JFK or 9-11? What do you mean? Well, you haven't read it, so you don't know what has to do it.

So what I'm telling you, it's like, before you haven't gotten into it. Project Shamrock, a program in which the major telecommunications company shared their traffic with the NSA and officially confirmed the existence of signals intelligence agencies proposed. Is it still a conspiracy when it's out and revealed? No, it's a conspiracy because you guys won't go fucking do your research on it. So I could talk here about the goddamn church committee, fucking guys, who guys is an S-Files episode. Wait, so who killed JFK? Huh?

Who killed JFK? Probably it was. It was definitely magnetic. Mine was like, I'm not sure how much recycling is really doing. That was my, man. Recycling doesn't do anything. I was trying to, bro.

I was trying to spit at this girl one time, man. She was real bad. How you spin on her? All right, Mr. Lou, let's not go there. Joe me, this guy. I was really trying to get at her. And she was like, do you believe in conspiracy? And I was like, you know, yeah, you know,

I got my little thing over here. And she was like, I think people are using shampoo to control, to control. control us. Right. And I was like... Was she white? Nah.

She wasn't white. Can't be... That was a crazy part. Before we move on, before we move on... I was like, man, come on. Can we before we move on? Yeah. You guys, I get some of this conspiracy theory stuff.

I get it. But, like, can you rule that out? Like, okay, I'm just... Rule what out? Okay, when somebody comes to you with something like that, do you hear them out? Like, make sure... They're using shampoo to mind control.

us? Okay, let's talk about something else. Like, let's talk about something else before we move on. Hold on, let's talk about something else. This is my fault. There is, there is, there is, like, hold on, listen, listen, there is science that connects chemicals that were in perms that went into black lady's hair to growth in their body like cysts and stuff like that. I guess I've read about it.

You've heard about this, right? Right. If a nigger would have told you that in 97, you'd have burned them as a witch. But the jump from that to being like, hey, a lot of products that people were using in the African-American community ended up having a bunch of fucking chemicals in that that like fuck us up. I get that. But the jump to being like mind control is a large jump to. I understand. There's two questions.

One, the first question is, did they know? That's the first thing. That's the first question. That's the first question that leads you into conspiracy. The second question is, how far? does it go? What can happen? What's the thing? Let me ask you a question. Make your case for mind control. I'm not saying that it's mind control.

Just make your case. What I'm saying is this. Black Panther fought against his revolutionary cousin who wanted to take the weapons from Wakanda, give them to blacks all over the world. And rise up against the boot of white supremacy. Black Panther killed his cousin with the help of the CIA. And nobody. And look, like, we're. We left the movie like, oh, yeah, oh, hey, oh.

Like, Black Panther was a CIA asset. He was. And if you bring that up, you sound like a fucking moron. That's a fact. But that's not a conspiracy. That's not a conspiracy. It happened. The conspiracy is why.

The conspiracy is why that message is in that. It's only a conspiracy if you cover it up. I'm confused. No. Is he one of the most lucrative entertainment companies on the planet run by fucking white people since its inception built on racist

iconography it's not that hard Let me ask you this That's all true What's the fuck that got to do with the CIA Like why have we been inundated We're so far run Why have you been inundated

Over decades and decades and decades Of shit that makes the CIA look like they got damn doctors Without borders Like all of this stuff Because the CIA is behind There's so much writing So there's a lot of writing

on it, but the question is, see, that's your level. See, if you go somewhere and you, this the thing. So maybe your level of conspiracy stops at, is like fucking mind controlling the shampoo, right? But to a lot of people,

but to a lot of people right now, you're saying that Disney could possibly be working with the CIA to like incent messages into us, they will look at you like a shampoo, motherfucker. The thing is... The normal literally has to work with the

fucking military industrial complex and get all that shit in their movies. You think it just stops there. I don't. I'm the church committee, nigga. So this is just our little like fun personal flair that we bring to the conversation. So what I'm saying is I don't, there's a lot of conspiracy theories and a lot of stuff that off the bat you listen to it and you go, ah, probably not, right? Probably not.

But, but I do hear it out. And if it's easily disprovable, like Ivermectin or some shit like that, there's science on it. You can look at the science and all that stuff like that. You go look at the science. It's right there. I'm not going to believe something when the science tells me no. But when they deny me knowledge, I will investigate. And all I will say is where it stops for me is I'm just like, hey, yo, niggas.

Like, how much work do you think the CIA is doing to control black people? through their shampoo. I feel like there would have to be a couple more. Like, to me, if we wanted to control the black community, you know, go to BT. You like, but why would you stop, though? Why would you stop? You know, you go to the record labels. Crack.

But why would you stop, though? Why wouldn't you cover all your bases? Because that is way easier than being like, we're going to make a fake shampoo company. It depends on what you can do. It depends on what you do. You guys, you guys to look at up. Stop. We got to stop.

We have to stop. Hold on. We have a stop. It's a secret program against Cuba that aimed to remove the Cuban government from power. I'm just to let you guys know all this stuff was happening. Some of this stuff was in Miami. There were terrorist actions that were run against American citizens. Operation Mongo's a Wikipedia page for this.

Like you can go in there's Operation Mongoose. Look it up. Some of this stuff was an extrajudicial action taken against American citizens on American soil in South Florida. My algorithm is fucked now. My phone heard all this. You deserve to know. 60. All right, man.

You're not serious. And you want to know why we can end this? You're not serious. This is why Bill Sippers put us in the basement. That's why we got to put in the paste. Because I'm trying to talk to you. Next, we got to come back with foil hats. I'm trying to talk to you.

I'm trying to talk to you out. I'm just trying to, I'm trying to tell y'all that some of this stuff. Are we excited for Dunkin Egg? Episode 3. A 97 Kingdoms. I know it's not called Duncan Egg. Is there anything that this show could do to, like, blow this lead? Yeah, of course.

Like, it could kind of lose its, um, it's North Star. It could, what it really could do was fall into some of the patterns of old Game of Thrones stuff. Yeah. If there at some point was,

you know, a little cold feet in the writer's room and they're like, you know what, they're not enough beheadings and not enough killings. It's not enough fucking, like,

there's not a lot sex in this. I mean, no. We didn't talk about the fact that the night. Huge check. The biggest cockwagon we've seen in a second.

Okay. Crazy. I mean, what do you think? Like Dr. Manhattan level cockwagon there? remember when he pulled the shot? Yeah, he thinks he beats Manhattan.

You think he's like mixing coconut oil and olive oil and bean it? I mean, whatever's day. I mean, it's Westrose. It's Westrose, yeah. Probably just crazy. It probably, it's probably, you know.

It's probably just love it again. Just poof. Yeah, so like a big, it's just fucking crazy. So, but yeah, so there hasn't been that much of that in here. If they were to lose their nerve and kind of start going more towards

some of the old stuff, cool, if they stay with the story of Dung. And I don't know it would be hard to blow. That is that's like to know that's the team that's emotionally every single. And this is why I think it's such a, such a great show after two episodes is like when you have such a solid foundation to work from in Dunkin Egg, it's hard to mess up because I'm just like we just need to love them, want them to succeed, feel bad for them when they don't. And after two episodes, yeah, I'm like, I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of my favorite shows. not just in our realm, but just of the year based on what we've done.

But it's only it's only duck an egg. Like, we've got a little bit of Lionel Barathean again. And it was great. I love this guy, man. Hey, yo, I need bodies. Come through. And for him to like leave them there. Get a drink.

Get a drink. Come back. Like, amazing. We get some more of him. Some more of, uh, Daron. Like, I'm like, like, like you said, like the, the thesis of the show is Duncan Egg and their growth and their journeys. But they've also created like these fun characters on the side that,

if we spend some time with them too, it doesn't change the feeling. It's still great. There's a fundamental understanding of these two characters that we have that I think that if the world changes Dunk too much, I would bump up against a lot. If this makes him even remotely cynical, if this makes him at all remotely pessimistic, I don't think that I'd rock

with that. Is that the Warren? Are you looking at the Warren Commission? No, it's the Church Commission. I'm listening to fucking the podcast. All right, let's wrap. I love you, Dunglemm. You're already in fucking conspiracy corner over there. corner this shit this all of this happen I'm just telling you guys the point of a conspiracy

is that they hit it from you and you have to prove its existence that's what the church committee did we're not arguing this and what I'm saying is that if I would have told you in 1970 it was a gun they could hit you with and the shit would make you have cardiac issues you might have been like oh you're making that up

you can't do that daddy daddy day but when both of them try to tell me 5g is controlling their fucking brain waves come on a little bit like see then you just look into the science like that's dumb right you look at We can't get here. You look into the science and you go, I looked into it. I looked into it. And guess what?

It's not true. It's not a true thing. That never happened. There's all kinds of stuff that can happen from like different waves and shit like that. But that wasn't one of them. You think they got conspiracies in Westrose? Like they see Heron Hall and they're like, Dragonfire can't melt stone buildings. Yeah.

It was an inside job. It was an inside job. Or Heron did that himself. Hey, we got to go. All right. Okay. You really got to go. All right.

We got to go. Like on Sundays, Dr. Thrones is back with Mal, Joanna, and Chris returning back to Westrose for a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. I'm going to say this. We love our coworkers.

Yeah. And we are a family here. And when one of the people that we love here hurts, we hurt. And we've taken some hits over the last year. We've had some things that have happened to some of our people personally. And it's

been a source of of pain and concern for us all. Yeah. So I'm not going to get too deep into people's like business. I know that it was posted on social media, so a lot of people know, that Mallory experienced a tragedy. And the tragedy that she experienced, it was almost like I experienced it too. So condolences, hearts, prayers, hugs, love. well wishes to Mallory and Adam. Yeah. And, you know, to see her be able to perform,

to be able to entertain you guys, to be able to still pour herself into her work, into her output with, you know, how she's covering stuff. But also with the way she is, you know, helping people and guiding people here, it's remarkable. And I just want to say, I love her.

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Hashtad shampoo Jomi control. Guys, let's lock it. Okay, let's go back to school. I want to hear more. Who was the person that told you the shampoo thing? I'm not putting her name out there, but it was crazy. Well, I put her on a group text. On a group text?

Was she bad? Dude, dude, dude, dude. I would have been like, hey, yo. You take that out of it? I'd have been like, hey, man, let me tell you, let me tell you something. That's my, that's my problem, though, because it'd be the baddest women. They'd be like, no, no, they'd be like, they'd be like, vaccines, shrug. And I'm like, what are we doing?

But see, but see, just before we go. So, just before we go. I can't. I can't get past. I'm sorry. I'm obviously ridiculously, uh, pro-vaccines. vaccines eradicated smallpox. There's no real scientific debate to be had about the efficacy of vaccines.

So then why are we talking about it? Because that could have led you to a deeper, deeper connection with her. What you should have said was, what you should have, you should have, you see, this is what you don't, this is what you do. Okay. You teach in that situation. You have that conversation. You say, hey, let me hear everything you got to say about vaccines. Then you tell her about Edward Jenner.

You tell her about 500 people that have done. that lives have been saved, that died from smallpox, lives have been saved, you have the conversation to where you show her that Jome knows. Then not only do you deliver

one out of the darkness, which is great, have the conversation, but also, you know what you establish? I'm the man. And you know what? I've been on top of this shit. And you're correct.

I'm not that woke. I don't really do in deal of stupidity. So frankly, it was someone like, hey man, this actual, like factual things. You're not trying to teach. That's the process. I'm not trying to teach.

I'm not trying to teach growing people things they should know. That's what they did to us. Yeah. They're like, get out of our culture. You're trying to hoard knowledge. I'm not trying to hoard knowledge. You've grown, you should know better.

Okay, that's fine. Just let you know, every time you do that, somebody votes for Trump. And then y'all go, why did y'all do that? You try to shame. You try to shake. Instead of trying to teach. Hey, hey, hey, bring on the podcast.

We'll talk to her. You guys. He's like, we'll send it to the Zoolander school for kids who don't Digital production Joe Me is a CIA A lot of the Seven Kingdoms is lighting up our two And if you're at your own home

Make sure to make your own All right And the last, you know, last thing that I have to bring up I feel like you're denying the people, man. What? I've been on Twitter, you know, still just, like, searching whatever. People are asking for your top 100 porn stars.

You need to be. Do people need the list, bro? They need the list. That's the list. The people need the list, talk. I mean, I guess what's the right form for the list? What do you mean? We mean the right form?

Just top 100. Now, I can't do it on the substack. What is the podcast? The substack, if we do it, we have to do it here. We should do it. So I'm going to tell you straight up, like, now you guys are asking me to do this, but you don't want to do it. Arjuna's freaking out.

Wait, I would do it. If I do it, this is the only place I can do it. I'll tell you why. Why? Can't do it on Tailgate, because I'm just to be honest with you. Tailgate is on, Tailgate is fucking fantastic, but Tailgates on some puritanical shit. We had a very, very popular and noteworthy actress that I was scheduled to come on tailgate, and I got pushback for it. What?

Wait, who was actress? Think about the teams that were in the... Oh, no. So we had a very... Somebody I've known for a long time that's like a very much... nice person. By the way, that wasn't like dying to come on. Right, right, right. This was a favor that I had asked for,

right? And then it kind of gets run up the flagpole and it comes back to me, we're not sure we can do that. That's fine, okay? Whatever. So there's some tyrants over there. To me, you know, trying to do stuff. I know how to break a show, baby. Right. Yeah, you do. I know how to

break a show. That would have went crazy, man. That would have went fucking nuts. Yes, it would. Okay. And I took it personally that you kind of, you know, it was like, you Kempot scared. It's the homie for you. K-Pots scared. I would have loved to see Taylor.

So can't do it on high learning. That's never going to happen. Wait, why can't you do it on higher learning? You can't do it on higher learning audience calls me creepy Uncle Van and the whole line. We can't do it on higher learning, okay? I can't do it on the rewatchables, okay? It's not going to happen. The place that I have freedom to do that.

Hell yeah. To have that conversation. We got to invite the road, like, Devante Yaps, a fucking legend. Love it. Love, I would love that the place that I could do that is here. The question is, is the audience here going to be okay with it? And is Arjuna going to be okay with it? So this is, it's got to be whiteboard.

To me, the ringerverse is the nexus of fandom. What the fuck I'm talking? It's got more fan. He's been born on fandom. Like, I don't understand what the big deal is. There's cons. There was a con. There was a couple of it.

I was, you know, tempted to go. But like, there's, there's cons. It's all. It's a different type of fandom. But it is fandom? So if we're doing the top 100, is it a top 100 of all time? Are we doing like 21st century?

So this is the way I would, if I was going to do a top 100, and this is all post credits. If I was going to do a top 100, this is the way I would do the top 100. I would break it down in decades, and I would start probably in the 80s. I might be leaving out some people from the set.

I would break it down into decades, right? Right. Are you going to do like the NBA did like the first top 50 where they would just take 10 players from each decade? Maybe, but if you're doing 100, there's going to be, there's a boom that happens in the 80s. Okay. And then there's a glamorization that happens in the 90s,

and then there's a reset that happens in the 2000. There's the VHS boom, right, internet boom. So you're going from film, then you're going to the 80s, and then you're going to the 90s where people like Jenna Jamison got mainstreamed in terms of their celebrity a little bit, right? And then in the 2000s, what the internet comes in, and places like, you know, bang bros, brazzers,

all of that stuff starts to come in too. It kind of changes the whole thing. And you want to do that, but that also increases the amount of stars and people are in this. So my question is, what is in your top 100, like, what are you judging? Is it fame? Is it performance?

Is it daring? Is it just like, industry impact? Longchemy. Okay. So this would be the way I would, obviously there's a physical. Okay. Of course. Sure.

Yeah. But then part of this is going to be about, when you're talking about the top, part of this is going to be about like pop culture knowledge. Like who can the average person name? Sure. Like who is who. Who's how old name? Yeah, who exemplifies this stuff, right?

Then there is just performance. This is where it's going to get uncomfortable for people. Okay. You're going to have to watch a lot of film. I've already watched it, brother. Like, this is where it's going to be uncomfortable for people. And then after that, you're talking about like, bankability, the same thing you would like, sure, you know, used to determine any type of star.

The reason I think that this needs to be a panel, though. How many box covers have you been on on? But this, it needs to be a panel to me because it's like, as a black man, you might be more interested in the ass, but then like a white gentleman might be like, you know what? Titties rule. Titties ruled from like basically the 70s. Well, let me tell you something. See what you're doing right now. I got to say something that here's a deal. Another part of this that's going to make people uncomfortable is you're going to have to have a conversation about the fellas that have contributed to this. That's also true.

I was going to, I was thinking about that. You think I'm going to have this conversation and not bring up Lexington Steel, Peter North, John Holmes, besides what happened in Wonderland, all of this. People like this that were like Ron Jeremy, people like this that were around. Now, you'd also have to talk about, you know, let's move off this. Okay. That's all post-crapers. It's a bit of a mind-field.

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