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Wollop. That's fucking word. Wollow Wollop. It was so good. You went back to the 80s. Wallop. Let me tell you all something. Just real quick, before we get into the show,

I was watching, you know, the last couple of days I've been doing a lot of research into the Black Panthers, like supplementing my knowledge about the Black Panthers. Oh, the YouTube algorithm, Black Panthers. So reading a couple of books, rereading So Long Islanders and stuff like that. Cleaver wrote that before he joined the Black Panthers yet. Still, I noticed something about the way people spoke in the 60s,

which is, their vocabularies seem to be a little bit more, expansive. I'm watching people talk and be interviewed and use, and I'm watching, you know, people talk to, it just if I'm comparing it

to today? To today. Yeah, because people used to read. Yeah. We don't read anymore. Everything's so homogenized by the internet, and the internet reads basically at like a sixth grade reading level. For real, for real. Y'all, y'all, all that stuff. So, you know, this is what it is, man. You guys open a book.

Try a little bit. So basically, we Basically what you're saying is you want to talk it like TI in a couple weeks. Nah, nah. Shout out to Tip though. But like, is not like that, but just like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm saying, it's a phenomenon that when I see it, there seems to be a degrading of that.

Now, I'll be interested to know why. Do you remember the movie Cloud Atlas? Yes. Remember when that scene when they were like, it's like in the far-flung future and they were speaking like... That broken English dialect. That broke English, Google Gaga stuff. And I was like, that might be where we're headed.

That genuinely might be where we're headed. We don't know what that that about that. You're speaking of the truth. You're speaking of the true. You're speaking of the true, true. Yeah. What? You never saw Alice?

Hell no. I fuck with it. It's a great movie. No, I don't like it. You would hate it. You would hate it. Most people didn't. I like it a lot.

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may help reduce the frequency of minor digestive discomfort, which includes gas, bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort. All right, this will be a spoiler-filled episode. things related to Game of Thrones are going to be in it. So you guys, we're going to spoil stuff. We're trying not going to spoil anything from the novella or anything that you guys haven't seen on screen.

But other than that, there might be some spoilers for Game of Thrones in this episode. Steve on the spoiler warning. We're getting ready to talk about you're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Now, spoiler warning is over. Let's put you in.

them to know this episode. The only way to do that is the Midnight Manifest. Only guy who can do that is Chuck Wack and Chuck take it away. All right. This is your Midnight Manifest for the third episode of Oneida the Seven Kingdoms of the Squire, directed by Sarah Edina Smith, written by Haram Martinez, Annie Julia O. Wyman and Ira Parker. Egg wakes up early on the first day of the games to train Dunk's horse

while also sharpening his own skills as soon to be Squire. Dunk and Egg spend the rest of the day bonding, ending with Dunk promising that if he wins, the tournament, then the boy can become his full-fledged Squire. Unfortunately, two events rock, Dunk's sense of morality. First, Plummer asked Dunk to throw a bout with Lord Ashford's youngest son in return for a hefty sum. Second, Dung witnesses Prince Aryan purposely gouge another rider's horse in a jousting match, something a true knight would never do.

On their way through the games, Dunk is stopped by the squire Raymond Fosaway, who offers the Hedge Knight some homemade cider. It's during this sharing of cups that Dunk realizes just how much the realm despises the Targaryens. The drinking is interrupted when Egg rushes in and pleads for Dunk to save Tansel. The Dornish Puppeteer is about to be killed by Prince Arian for one of her shows that featured her killing a dragon. Dunk rescues Tansel, but it's overpowered by Aryan's guards. Before Eric could kill Dunk, Egg commands the nights to stop, violent revealing that it's truly Prince Agon.

And that has been your midnight man for episode three. Take us of a wave-in. What did you think you were walloped? What other words from the 60s? Way late. Wallop is a word from the 60s. You guys get, you know what, fucking. I'm sick of it. Were you flabbergasted?

Flabbergasted. Regular word, guys. It's a regular work. I thought it was a fantastic episode. That was really great. The turn at the end of the episode that if you read the novella that you knew was coming, a lot of this show,

to me, as a lot of Game of Thrones, the show was going to be about the effectiveness of the red wedding and how people responded to it. A lot of the effectiveness of this show was going to be about how people responded to learning that egg is a Targaryen, and therefore in the middle of this gigantic dynasty, he is actually not just the every boy looking to be a squire.

His existence is not just about becoming something, it's the rejection of something, something that is dynastic and ancient and a real big part of the culture of this world, which deepens his character. It just makes his character ten times, more intriguing. That turn was going to be really, really important to how seriously you take this show and how well this show works. I thought they executed it perfectly. I mean, was the turn, and I can't tell if because, like, I have a broad overview of how this was going to go,

but even the way this show was written and shot, by the time they talk it to the fucking fortite tell her. And she's just like, yeah, you're going to be a great night. Egg, you're king. I was just like, all right, come on, we already know, man. They are teleghing this. They were like hold on eggs face, whatever the Targaryans would come. I'm just like, come on, man, we know this bald-headed kid. So you knew,

um, or you, but I watched this show with somebody who didn't. She was absolutely, like, she cried. Wow. Like the,

the moment was so moving dramatically. Like, I, I really think, really think that they did two things. One was give enough to people who already knew for them to be, entertained, which is interesting, right?

Because it's like, the second time I came back and watched the episode, there's one point when they're talking, like, Dunk is talking to someone, and he mentioned something about a Targaryen, and then Egg runs out. Like, they're fucking with the people here.

Oh, yeah, and the youngest, and then he runs into frame. Because he's talking about all the different Targaryans and why he hates him. He says the youngest, and then head come. That's for the people who've read the, they're not excluding the people who have read the novell. They sent the third one to the Citadel. Yo, so, Lorheads, can you break this down for me and maybe break this down for the audience? What's the, like, the family situation right now with Egg?

Because he has his father and he has three. He has three brothers. He's the youngest. He's the youngest. So, like, what's the family structure going on? Hold on. I got a family tree. Oh, tap in.

Yeah, Joe Me an explainer. Because I was watching this being like, because I don't think we've seen Egg's father yet on the show, have. We, he's searching for the other. We have. We have. Yeah. Maker is his father. Makers is dad.

Not the guy who is the kid. The actual. No, the guy who was shitty to dunk in the. Yeah. When dunk ain't yet, that's his dad. That's his dad. That's his dad. Because they were talking about the fact that he had lost his sons and he was mad about it.

So that's his father. Yeah. Yeah. So you have Darren the good, right? Is the king right now. Yes. And he's got four sons, Baylor, Ares, Aries, Regal, and Mekar. But Maker.

is married to Dina Dane. And they have six children. Daron Targaryen, who we haven't seen yet. Aaron, the Aryan, the guy who... On the horse, yeah, the jostor, asshole, right? The dickhead. Pug bitch. Amen Targaryen, who they sent to the Citadel,

who knows where he's ever going to come up again. And what's his name? Agon, and they have... What's his name? the kid we saw in episode one. And so they were supposed to go from Summer Hall to the tourney together, but they went and mess around and got lost.

And the brother got drunk. And egg shaved his head was like, actually, I'm just going to go with Sir Duncan to the tourney. That's the situation to where we are now, to where he's like, where are my sons? And he found one of them. And he's at the tourney being Dunks Choir. It's crazy how that all worked out.

So the clues that we've seen, We've seen, we saw eggs reaction to seeing his brother kill him. Like, why would he have that type of reaction? Everybody's probably wondering. You're starting to wonder that there's something up with the kid. He is singing songs like Limericks about beating back the Blackfires and the Blackfire Fire Rebellion. The song was very funny.

Song was very funny. It's like one of those, like he's supposed to be not cuss. It's the playground version of that song. Yeah. So you see all of that stuff. But like, even when he's talking to the night in the beginning, he knows exactly who he is, which I'm just like, oh, you've been trained in all of this versus,

even he knows, it's like the games. The first day of the games is for Highborn. You're not Highborn. This is all stuff that is showing that I'm like, you're way too well versed in this world in a way that Dunk is not. Right. And you're wondering why that is. The question is whether or not most of the audience would be like,

because he's of world blood, right? because he's, you know, a prince or a duke or whatever to fuck, the brother of the king would be or whatever, the brother of the king's kids. But I thought it was executed really well. And the fact that his, obviously from the novella, but the fact that his identity is revealed in a time where he can actually use the authority

that he had thrown aside to save his friend, who it's both heroic, but it's also a betrayal, and it's also this grand reveal and the way that it's shot and then when they come out of it, the quick cuts to everyone. A little funny. A little funny.

I thought they did a fantastic job of it. I think the twist works even if you read the books or if you haven't. Because for me it was like super affecting to see him like you said in that moment apparel, Dunk is like for sure going to get cooked

and you just hear that little voice go, hey guys, get off my boy. He names the guards. He names the guards, right? And then even his older brother's like, oh, this dude, man. Yeah. That's what you did.

But even before that, Dunk basically telling him to shut up, trying to protect him, even though he knows he's about to die, I'm like, oh, these two, these are my boys. It's so good. This, like, going back a little bit, the beginning of the episode when they're,

he's like, yo, where you've been at? Ah, you know, all right, for show, you're going to eat that hard salt beef. He's like, I'd rush rather eat the horse. And Dunk, in that moment, could have been a heart ass. He could have been like, now you're going to eat that beef.

Comes back and goes like, you know what, actually, I'm going to be different. Stop. I'm going to teach you how to knit the thing. I'm going to teach you how to knit the thing. I'm going to buy you two goose eggs. We're going to have some birds off. That's great, by the way. Those are yokes were crazy.

And this is something that you've talked about, especially in the first couple episodes where the flashback with Sir Arland of Penitree and how as a master, he was like, he showed him how to be a good night. but didn't, like, tell him how to be a good night. You know what I'm saying? He would be doing things, but he wouldn't, like, actually show Dunk how to do these things. So Dunk, in that moment, over the last two episodes, he's been thinking, like, how do I be a good night? How do I make sure my squire is better than me?

And in this episode, he found was like, I actually got to show him how to do these things. I actually have to, unlike my master who didn't tell me how to do these things, I have to be better than him and show Egg how to actually be a knight. This is a Jomey the explainer. I need an ISO from you. Everybody knows you're a great chef. The fucking bread ratio.

It's crazy. To egg. To eggs. Like, how would you? Like, so the problem is, like, it's super that there's no butter, right? So that sandwich is dry as hell, right? There's no hot sauce. So nothing.

It's just bacon, egg, and bread. I imagine the way he tore that bread. It wasn't soft. It wasn't really tough. And I can't imagine he toasted it, right? So it's basically like, it's not like a French baguette either. So it's probably like some crunchy sourdough, some tough bacon. The eggs look good.

You hope that, I mean, they were definitely scrambled, but there's no salt, there's no pepper. I mean, so it's probably like a filling breakfast. Tasty, no, but when you're out in the row like that, you eat hard salt beef, you'll take a breakfast sandwich that has pretty much dropped. That was great. That shit probably tastes like gourmet. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. And to for dump, absolutely. Here's the thing, it wasn't even prices of bread, though. That shit was the whole

loaf. It was just a loaf in half. But I want you guys to think about something in terms of medieval times. Like during that,

the main source of sustenance was not protein. It was bread. Bread was the thing that was most plentiful and that people in those types of situations would use as their staple.

So you got a lot of bread. Everything else, everything else is kind of like, You know, that's like gravy on top. You know, you got a little... And I'll tell you what. Egg a little hungry motherfucker, too. You see what he was staring at the pork chop?

You see what he was saying at the pork chop, like doing this whole thing? I'm like, oh, my God, I can't wait to eat it. Look, say something else. This was an egg episode. It was. This was an egg episode. Egg is enterprising. He is hardworking.

Yes, he's been... He reminds me of John Snow a little bit. because when John Snow gets to the wall, you know, he's busting people ass. And he's like, yeah, you train with a man. You're busting people ass. He was busting where? He was busting where?

He was busting, what? He was busting their ass. Beef eater. He was busting their ass. He was busting, he's busting the ass, right? He busts people's ass. But John, though, even though, even though he comes from this, he's the son of a lord or the nephew of a lord, whatever,

he he still wants to learn he still learns the ways of the night's watch he still will connect with people he's still enterprising he's like there's

he hasn't been spoiled he's still hard working and he wants to know people at first he's disappointed in the guys that were there but then after that he starts to kind of understand what it is that he needed to do to be a good leader and that's a little bit of work.

I was thinking about, like, I was really interested in what you would think about Egg in this particular episode, especially the beginning part, because you hate, as we know, pluck. You hate pluck, right? And Egg, it's not,

I think the thing that I was, like, trying to wrap my head around is that in normal situations like this, we had a quarter flipping way back one. Not enough new lists, there's no, but in Hawkeye season one, when Kate Bishop learned how to flip the quarter,

they were like, how did you do that? It was like, it's a montage, right? Just like Egg had a montage. She learned how to do it. Right. But she learned how to do it. There's a way, whoa.

There's a way big, like bigger difference for fucking Kate Bishop. Because y'all ain't women. That's what it is. And five minutes and egg being out there all fucking morning. Y'all hate women. That's what this is. Y'all just hate women. It's fine.

But that's not the point. The point is, the point is, right, watching Egg learn, like, literally, like, learn how to be a squire and, like, do all that stuff. How did that resonate for you? I'm assuming you liked it. and it's like completely opposite to how you feel about other stuff when this happens. Egg is the opposite of pluck. And they did it on purpose.

I don't. Yes, and no? He's the opposite of pluck. Plucky kids make mistakes. And then the whole fucking story is around the fact that they fucked up. And then it's like, I'm sorry.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. And they're fucking around and like, get the fuck out of here. Egg actually is an authority in a lot of the scenes that he's in. Right. So in a lot of the scenes that he's in, you know, Dunk fucks up and then Egg jumps in and helps him. Like Egg is waiting for Dunk to give him the wisdom that adults normally do. And he goes, do you have anything else to say to me?

They're actually subverting the pluck by writing his character in the way that they did because his character needs to have authority. Right. His character makes more sense if he has some of the authority that a royal would have. So then how do you feel about that episode, the scene in Alaino Baratheon's tent

where they're talking about Alice Three Fingers? That's exactly like probably my favorite part of this episode because of the fact that he, egg, is so curious about the small folk and he isn't indoctrinated with the sort of like privilege or like, to think that that curiosity of the small folk is beneath him, to not worry about why this girl isn't actually named Alice,

but they want to remember her in song, because he's actually enamored with the idea of, like, these great important people in noble knights and houses being remembered, and where he might fit into all that. And it's clear that he doesn't quite know where the game of telephone in the legends that the small folk passed down, why those people aren't remembered. There's something else about that scene.

He knows that the stuff that people say about people isn't true. Because he's around people that everyone is talking about. He's around his brother. He's around his dad. He's heard the stories. That scene to me is really, to me, him asking about whether or not the stuff that he's heard about these supposed great Targaryens and all the legends and all the lore. that you would need to believe in

to do the stuff that you would need to do to be a good royal. For example, his brother so believes in the idea of Targaryian Dragon lore that he breaks somebody's fingers

because the dragon loses in the puppet show. Like he literally goes to Dragon the dragon aught never lose. And we hear that so much from Targaryians, the dragon, the dragon, the dragon, the dragon. That piece, of lore, that magical, mystical connection to that beast is like the thing that the family is like

based around. Egg watches it and he is like enthralled by it. Partly because I think that he knows it's bullshit. Yeah. So like when he's or if not bullshit much more complicated because they did ride dragons and dragons won't. I mean he was the first person to bring up the crab the crabber thing to dunk when he's just like his father owns all of the crabbing. Like the stuff that they're saying, that stuff isn't really true. Like the things that you get, like none of this is actually true.

And I think it's really good for the audience that he does stuff like that because a lot of what we know about Game of Thrones is based on all of this legends and stuff and stuff that happened before and who's supposed to have this and whether or not a Targaryen can burn and all of that. And so when he's in the tent and they're having this song and he sees all of them, he's asking, do you think that she actually really existed? Or is this just more of the bullshit that we celebrate? that we tell each other the pomp and circumstance that involves like being one of the people,

whether you're lowborn or highborn in this world. But not only that, it's also like to help dunk because, you know, she's got three fingers. She's just going to shove it up people's butts. Like, why would somebody, like, why? Like, what's the reason for that? And Egg is like, it's not for any reason. This is that she had this thing and she used it as good as she could. And, hey, man, you're tall.

you know, you want to be a night. Like, maybe you can take some lessons from this. Like, maybe there's something you can learn from this. Your talents can be remembered. Exactly. I mean, I think it also says something about Egg, a character that everybody, he's the youngest, he's frail, he's short. And this song, even though it's a funny song,

it's about somebody using, you know, their disability to be remembered, no matter how funny it is. I even think something in the beginning of the episode that speaks to why, I think Egg is not as plucky is that when he's having that conversation with the horse, and he's basically like, my dad is like, you guys are dumb as fucking dogs. You only understand the crop. And I was just like, oh, so Egg is also different from other Targaryans, and that he's in touch with living things.

He's in touch with horses. He wants to sleep under this tree. And I'm just like, oh, this is, I think that is interesting that it was two squires who are in this episode are very much pushing against. what the Targaryians are in births appearance versus reality because during the cider thing

that's a moment where we're like, okay, we finally got it. This is actually how most of the free folk think of these rulers. Steve, we're going to say something real quick.

Well, no, and it's a perfect metaphor for how he would treat Dunk or any other small folk with how he treats that horse because that Targaryian supremacy that is enforced by his brother

at the end of this episode is the exact thing that like, it doesn't matter if it even is true, it has to be enforced so that people know those stories. Also, egg, though, is still a Targaryen. Do you know why? When his brother's on that horse, what does he scream?

Kill him! Kill him! Like, when his brother's on, like, when his brother's on that horse, he screams, kill him. Who do you think he was saying that? Like, kill him. He was definitely talking about Brightline, though. He's definitely wants his brother there, right?

He's killed him. So the same extreme, the same hand of judgment, whatever's going on between them, he is still looking for the way of the sword to be, he's not trying to talk to his family or doing anything. He's still, you know, I used to have, you know, I used to have little big brother people and we were boxmen. When you, when you're taking on somebody five years older than you, you really got to pick your spots. Right. See him walking around. Nothing's even happened.

This is a regular morning. You see him walking? It's like, yeah, his guard is down. I got this nigga right here. Just a clean shot to the jaw. I know I can rock him. Just make him remember me. Just make him remember me in this one shot.

Boom! But you don't want to kill him. Of course, not. But if, if in fact, like, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. If in fact, it's like it gets as crazy as it does with the Targaryans, that's how they, a lot of times, adjudicate these differences. They kill each other.

I mean, I think it was, like, yo, the fortune teller, take a one look at egg and be it like, oh, fuck this, like, I can see it. That's why Dunk's so funny because Dunk was like, yeah, yeah, man. Egg is spooked. If y'all, if y'all, if y'all only knew. Don't know. I'm not going to you. I'm not going to.

I'm not going to. I'm not going to. This wasn't as bad as you to take a one look at it. And it can be like, no, I'll get this. Right. I respect you. I respect you for that. Everybody else is like, Jesus Christ,

this kid is strong in the force, yo, it's like, yo, yeah, yeah. This is each one. Amen. Him and Mace. Come on. Let's lock it. Y'all don't see this?

Y'all that, y'all that. Yeah, something wrong with that little boy. My dad used to say stuff like that. All the kids would be playing. My dad would be like, something wrong with that little nigger right there. I'm telling you right now. He's like, oh, he's three.

Watch what I tell you. Then my dad would hold that against the kid for the rest of his life. Well, right. It would be a cycle where he's like, this kid is like, everybody always thought, I wasn't going to be shit.

Probably my teachers, my parents, friends. And that's how it happens. In Baton Rouge, the odds are against you, right? I mean, most of the niggas going to jail. Anyway. What's your dad, right, dude? Almost always. Almost always.

Almost always. When my dad called me, the first time my dad called me, the first time he called me watching porn, he looked at me and he said, son, I'm telling you, be careful with that. you'll be 40, 45, 50 years old, and you'll still be doing it. I mean, that turned that into a lesson. He couldn't see OnlyFans coming up.

The technology has advanced. So back to another, like, this was not as much of a Dunk episode, but Dunk did have moments. And you could see Game of Thrones the reality of the world being played through Dunk. Two scenes. One scene is when he gets asked to throw or not throw, but to be a party to a throne tournament match. Right.

Yeah, with Ashford's younger son because basically Ashford is fucked all this money up. Right. Yeah. Right. So that is an interesting scene insofar as he is here at the tournament to prove his medal as a knight. And in doing that, he gets fame and fortune. He's offered the fame and fortune while faking it.

And whether or not he would be down for that is an interesting conundrum for that character. I don't think it's a conundrum. I think, like, that's not something that Dunk would ever do, though, man. Like, his whole thing is honorable being, like, a knight. There's no honor in throwing a match. It wasn't even in his vocabulary. He didn't understand what he was being asked of at first. He was thinking about that shit.

I don't know what y'all talking about. Well, after the fact. I know he was thinking about it, but I don't, there's no world on where he does that. This isn't happen in the books, by the way. This is a new invention. Right. But when he was being subtle. and being like, you could also raise your fortunes,

and he's like, I don't have any money. And it's like, obviously, like, obviously we know that he's asking to be thrown at. But like, it's a reflection of him, like, possibly not being too bright. But to me, it's like the actual earnestness in which he goes about the world was like, cheating or duplicity isn't even really in his lexicon.

It's not part of him. And he is really kind of struggling with the idea of like, well, I could get a lot of money. and that's a hard choice for somebody like me. I mean, I think that's why the lone wolf and cub works in this a lot better than it does in other stories. Because with Dunk, you have someone who is older, who is still a baby in terms of learning how the world really works. Even when he's like, he's looking at Aaron, he's like, man, his lances tilted down. He's just like, knights wouldn't do that.

And you're realizing when Plummer comes to him and is approaching him with this, this is a grown man who has never been educated on really how politics, money, and power are really, really work in this world. And then you have someone like Egg who was born into power, born into influence, but doesn't know something as simple as had a knit. And I like, I like that, I like that both of these. characters are halves of the same hole where they have something the other needs. And I don't think that a lot of other shows do that part of them. I can't think of one. Like when there's maybe I could if I try to know. But like Long Wolf and Cub where one is Long Wolf, one is Cub, but one is Cubb and one is also Cub.

Yeah. It's like two Cubs. Lowly. Cub Cubs and are also two Long Wolves. Yeah. Like. Cubs make a wolf. Yeah.

Like, they're going different ways. Like, at times, Dunk is in complete and total control. Yeah. Whenever it's legitimately about, like, the, when they're in the tournament and they watch the horse get lanced. Like, Egg is so young, and he knows his brother is a piece of shit. Right. Right. And he knows his brother did it on purpose, right?

Dunk doesn't believe that a knight would do that, but at the same time, he's seen so much shit that he's like, you kind of got to get over it, right? So even in that scene, one is inexperienced to the ways of chivalry and knighthood. The other one is inexperienced to just the horrors of the world. So like there's a power balance between them that always comes back to even. I don't know how many lone wolf and cub stories I've seen with that dynamic. I think that scene is important when they're walking over the bridge and they're They both know it's on purpose, but for different reasons.

And, like, it's, and it just speaks to, like, the work that Peter and Dexter are doing. I think they're, like, fantastically cast in these roles because they both know it was on purpose. But, but Dunn can't, like, Dunn wants to still protect Egg. And he's like, ah, you know, these things happen in this world. But we, we're not supposed to know then that he's, that's Arian's little brother. But if you read the books or if you go back and watch it, you're like, oh, no, this kid knows his brother. He knows he did it on purpose. But they still have to, like, come together and be like, yo, that was crazy.

We both know that was on purpose, but we still have to move forward and try and be better ourselves. I think that scene is like just a perfect encapsulation of how why this show works. Baylor is interesting in that scene, too, because he walks out. It looks like he's about to choose Baylor's son. to challenge he doesn't and then when he looks at Baylor Baylor acknowledges him like yeah I don't really fuck

with you left back right you know what I'm saying he never had a bad nephew man you're like yeah yeah yeah you know most of them are bad but like tough this is tough man um also

when Fossaway is talking to to Dunn's great this is a great scene it's a great scene because that scene right there is foreshadowing Robert's Rebellion and the end of the Targaryian dynasty.

It doesn't happen for a long time. This is not a spoiler, but you guys watching Game of Thrones, you know. Look how animated this mild-mannered character gets around the discussion of the Targaryens. That tells you, and he even says it, the part about the tits I got from my cousin. So there is generational lore,

and consistency about displeasure surrounding these people's rule. And really, in the Game of Thrones stuff that we've gotten, like House of the Dragon and stuff, it's not really concerned with that as much, right? Obviously, we know that the Targaryens, that there was one bad Targaryen when you're watching the new show, but they're not, who they are is everybody's fighting for power in that situation. This is one of the first times I feel like we've gotten the opinion

of the ruled over the dynastic ruling party. And he is so pissed off. He is so mad. You see how Robert was able to raise an army in rebellion to depose the mad king because this goes way before anything that Rangar did or anything like that. Each one matter than the last.

Right. If possible, if how possible. What I think this show does so well is it also does a great job of even Aryan walking in, and seeing, oh, the Targaryians and their fear has, their fear over this populace has fallen so much that a puppeteer is like, I can kill a dragon. And you're realizing in that moment, you're like,

oh, the one thing that y'all had over everyone, which is like nuclear arms, these dragons, what do you do when that's no longer there? You have to uphold these stories. You have to uphold these legends. you have to always have your boot on the small folk so they never rise up. And I was like, oh, it's so interesting in a show that we're like, oh, it's a little bit smaller. It's not as violent, this and that.

It's still dealing with very, very complicated issues of how do people in power keep that power? How does fascism rise? And how do you do that for decades and decades and decades on end? And I thought they did a very – because even what I thought was funny, Egg does not reveal himself. right away because he still wants to protect the fact that he doesn't want to go to the Targaryens. He runs to dunk to solve his problems. It's only when he is so far pushing to the corner where he's finally like using the one thing that he has, which is being a Targaryen, being able to tell Knights, I need you guys to stop.

And I was like, oh, that's fascinating. Now, interesting. Why do you guys think that Egg didn't just stop it? I don't, I, do you think that he doesn't believe he could have stopped his brother. I think that it's probably twofold. He probably believes in Dunk so much to solve that that he would immediately run to him and the fact that he didn't want to make himself unless that was absolutely necessary. I think it was, I would think it was partly selfish. So you think he sent dunk on a dummy mission? No, no, no. I agree with Steve that I do think that like he believes in dunk

so much and he looks up to him. He's like, dunk can solve this. But I do think it was egg being like, I'd never want to go back to the Targaryans again. The minute I, I say my name, I'm essentially like signing, not my own death, but a spiritual death in terms of like I have to go back to this place that haunts. But I don't think bright flame would have listened to him anyway. I think that's what it is. Bright flame, he would have been like, hey, oh, brother, stop me. He'd be like, oh, hey, you're here. I think that is the hidden strength in the scene is that normally when something happens, you run to go get your big brother to come in and help you out.

Right. In this situation, he ran to go get his big brother to stop his actual big brother. He legitimately chose a side. Like, he legitimately chose aside in that. He couldn't have stopped him, to Jomey's point. I don't think he would have listened to him. The Kingsguard would have listened to him. Because now you got to, I guess, yeah, whoever's guarding Prince Arien to go stop him, they're not doing that.

She would have gone hurt, broken fingers, whatever. Only person with the medal or you can even argue stupidity to go punch a prince is dunk. Because, again, he's going to do the right thing in every situation. He had to go to dunk. There was nowhere ever place to go. Also, if we can go back to Roberts' Rebellion, the other part that I thought was so interesting is the whole reason that Targaryens are here is because there's a feeling like they're kind of losing a little bit of influence and power. And it's so funny that after Prince Aryan stabs the horse,

everybody's freaking out they go crazy they go crazy they're just like fuck it and it's like you can see Baylor being like

this guy you're fucking the whole reason we're here yeah yeah and I was like that's fascinating me

yeah it you know also in with the scene at the end with him

you know they're about to fuck dunk up I was gonna be over yeah he was gonna get he was gonna get curbs stopped

American history X style which I can't remember when the first time I saw that I was like, man, did they make that up for this movie? I was like, I ain't never seen no shit like that before.

When I first saw American History X, I'm not going to lie. The beginning of American History X just fucked me up. Because first of all, the movie starts with the most aggressive Nazi sex you've ever seen before in your life. They're going crazy. Feroza Balk and Edward Norton, she's going crazy. First of all, I feel like they're in his mom's house. And they're going crazy, Nazi tattoos just fucking like crazy. And then all of a sudden, there's a curb stomping right after that.

I just was fucking. The beginning of, that's a... I will say there was nothing Edward Norton could tell me after that. Like when he tries to go good or whatever, I'm like, my fucking. I see you. You gotta go work with kids or something.

You can't just... You curb snobbed that guy. I don't believe you. And by the way, I have a thought. I think that Edwin Norton's character turned back Nazi after American History X. Why? Because of what happened to his brother.

I don't think he had enough time away from the Nazi. I think that happened to brother and I think he immediately starts running the Venice Nazi gang again. He goes back to Stacey Keeching. He's like, yo, my bad, we got to give back the blood. His little brother was annoyed he needs to get in. Yeah, the little brother was a piece of shit.

He's a dumbass. It's a stupid. He's a stupid. Also, that dinner scene when his mom was, I can't watch it. It is, no, it's a great scene. It's just. I love, homie from Boyme's world. It's nigger bullshit.

Put that in the pot right now. Put that him saying that. I want that in the pop. Because they just talking, they legitimately just talking about like Native son. They're talking about black literature. No, he's that he's, the flashback,

the scene with his dad, right, right, right, right. It's nigger bullshit. I was like, God damn. It's like that. In the theater like, hey, we're, what? What's going on?

And, you know, of course, I'm in the theater in Baton Rouge and somebody says it and somebody goes, ha, ha, ha. I'm like, hey, bitch. You know he's, evil, right? Wait, so wait, are you saying that

Prince Aryan, is Edward Norton? Yeah, kind of. He's a... He's a... Can't kill a horse like that. Yeah, he don't kill a horse like that. He's all bad. He's one of the bad Targary.

I also do have to say this show does look beautiful, but there was a moment where I'm like, I can't take the Prince Targary armor seriously. That's all that bullfuck is... That's stupid. It's flamboye.

They always dripped out. I know, but like... That was always dripped out. I'm like, come on. You can't go to someone else. HUD and just be like, you're the prince, br straight all blacked out dragon armor shit.

Okay, so imagine you, imagine you, you're the king, you're the richest man in the land, bro, and somebody invite you, they cribbed. You can find it

to drive the Lamborghini or you're fin to drive to Honda. You're not being serious. But that's how they do it. I'm putting on my teams, you know, my work,

my flannel being like, you're pulling up in the best, who got the best armor in the history of Game of Thrones? I mean, It's probably the darkerance. I mean, like, for everything that I've seen, you know who I like,

you know who's armor I like the best? Jamie. Jamie's King's Gar's swag from the first season. Which is crazy, too, because Jamie's shit was the coldest thing. That's like Lannister style, too. We got like the lions on that joint. He got the lions on that,

remember when they thought they was going to come fucking with Jamie? Jamie is doing the thing, and then he takes out the small sword and stabs him. I'm like, this and he coldest breath. The Kingsguard in this one, too, in episode two, they had the door. I love that all white armor. All white armor.

No, you can't. No, because all white fits. All white armor? Wow. All right. Everything, Steve. Just missing the hoods, huh. Just missing the hoods, huh?

Christ, Steve, right after the American History X conversation. Run it back. Actually, that's nigger bullshit. That's nigger bullshit. I'll tell you something else. He's right, though. That all right, home is hard as shit. It's the cape, too.

It's like, what the fucking cape? Wait, did they have leech in Westeros? Back then? They must have something to turn things. No, definitely not. Once you got blood on it, it's over. So here's the thing, if you got, like, if you got the all-white shit, the gold or whatever, well, you got to have multiple, like, seven days worth of, like, capes and shit.

Nah, you just, you just, you just kind of probably had some stains on the cape. They washed the cape. You're probably not really concerned with that. I mean, you're just thinking, like, how much fighting for real were you doing? Like, you probably, like, break up fights. Kingsguard? What era of the Targaryans is this? Like, they weren't really having that kind of action.

No, no, no. This is after the first Blackfire rebellion. So people will definitely fought, but this is like a couple years later. Now, to get there, to become a Kingsguard, you probably have to put in a lot of crazy work. Not the son of a Rish Craber, though. Not him. A Rish Crabber. But to get there, but you still got to get your knighthood.

You still got to do a whole bunch of shit. Now, if you're a city guard in Kings Landing, it's dirty. It's all nasty. It's got to be gross. Terrible. All right. From this particular episode, we talked about Foss away. We talked about, you know, the thing is, the show.

Shows are good, but for the podcasting purposes, they are brief. Yeah, that's about it. I love how brief they are. I do think that, like, there's no wasted scenes. Yeah. I want to keep, like, I will say I could have done with more of the six episodes. Like, I didn't realize I'm like, oh, we halfway fucking don't. The problem is not a lot of story in the novella.

It's a hundred pages. Like, that's just, like, it's just one simple story, which I think is why people are engaging with this a lot. I mean, some of the dialogue is taken straight from the novella, right? You could hear the book, you can watch the book come to life. I think that's the real magic of this series. It's not like Game of Thrones, which is, you know, very detailed. It's got like a lot of first-person stuff versus House of the Dragon,

which is just like a mess in regards of what sources you can believe. This is just literally one story happening at one time with the simple through line. It's not hard to adapt, but they're doing an amazing job at making it happen. So do you think that, like, it's in the show's benefit that we didn't get a more, like, comprehensive download of a bit more of a less unexplored part of Westerocy history than the show could have explained? Nah, because you got to, if they want to, they're working on season two right now. I think they're shooting right now. Sure. If you want to really do this, like, real TV style, you just focus on Dunkin Egg.

Good. And I think that's what they're doing right now. They're establishing who these characters are and what they're about. and we get, you know, obviously the big reveal on this episode that he's actually Agon Targary and how does that change their relationship going forward? I'm excited to see what those. In my opinion, Game of Thrones never does that, though.

Like, in the first episode, first couple episodes of the OG show, the older Kingsguard guy, what's the older guy? The older, he's the oldest Kingsguard. Selling me? I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, oh, the one who threw his sword down at the Oh, yeah.

He looks at, I think it's a Ned, and he goes, because they were on different sides. Yeah, yeah. He looks, or maybe they were on the same. I can't remember. He looks at Nade, he goes, like, I never saw you at the Trident. Mm-hmm. They don't ever really tell you what that is. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, when John Aaron dies, like, they, we learn throughout the show through different- Arthur Dane. No, not Arthur Dane. I looked for you at the Trident. I looked, is that what he said? Yeah, that's Arthur Dane, yeah. Arthur Dane is...

Ned tells Arthur Dane, I look for you at the Trident. So what's the name of the sword of the morning? What's his name? Arthur Dane. No, that wasn't Arthur Dane. No, he... Okay, so listen.

That is... I'm talking about two different things. Okay. So he tells Arthur Dane, I look for you at the Trident when he's trying to come get the Stark sister. Okay, that's not what I'm talking about.

Right. At the beginning of the show, there's a night of the king, I haven't watched the OG show in a long time. It's an older night of the Kings Guard. He's old. He's with Jamie. He's with Jamie a lot in the first season.

And he says something to Ned about fighting at the Trident, and Ned says, if you'd have been there, maybe shit would have been different or something like that. Anyway, they mentioned the Trident very early on, but they don't really tell you what it is. Sure. The OG show to me, all of these dumps happen, but it's really, really, really concerned with the story that it's tailing. Right. It gets into,

it does get into like heavy lower. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it doesn't. Because a lot of those people's decisions are kind of based on either like prophecy or things that have happened in the past. Right. So it does the,

I think the prophecy is a great point because that is the most direct way that they really bogg you down in what's supposed to happen. The Princess Promise and all that stuff like that. Game of Thrones does a good job of kind of giving you a lot of shit in the story that it's telling.

To your point, though, this story has to do it even better because it's very, very brief. I will say something just before we get out of here. This is about... This story essentially, to me, is about

dunk becoming a knight and egg becoming a squire. And to me, it already happened. It happened in this episode. Yeah. It happened in this episode. like this episode is sneakily about um what actual real night is

so if you look at it you have someone who is knighted who is rolled by blood who stabs a poor horsey for no reason and then picks on a puppet girl don't don't forget once you get your fuck a whole leg fucking shatter to pieces oh man that thing you just you done that's not great you might time It's over. It's probably going to give him a new name.

Like, Sir Isaac the Limp. We'll make him a song. We'll make a song about him. It's something like that. One leg Larry. One leg Larry or something. But then Dunk comes in and he puts his life on the line for somebody that's powerless. And he goes up against power.

He becomes a knight. He becomes somebody that saves in this episode. The rest of this show will probably be about confirmed. Birmingham that. And Egg helps him be a night. Which is what a squire does. Egg helps him. Egg literally puts him into a situation

to like help him be a knight, help him go in and save someone. And then when it gets too far, he uses the only little bit of expertise and power that he has to save his life. They are now, I mean, they have a journey left to go, but they are now, to me,

the, if not fully formed, versions of their characters, who they are was fully established and now is in play after this episode. I think the success of this show is that if you did not read the Game of Thrones books, what that HBO show did in the first season is being like, it's subverting. It's saying, oh, you think this story is going to be

about Ned, this man of honor. That's not the world we're in. And then it spends the rest of the show trying to up that ante of being like who are our actual heroes, who are the actual villains. And I think what this show is doing is quite the opposite. It's like, can we convince you that we can make a show about someone who does believe in honor, who is good?

And I was just like, that to me is almost something that we've gotten. And I'm not just talking about Game of Thrones. I'm talking in television. I think that's something that we've gotten away from. It's just giving us a TV show where we're like, we're going to make you believe in these characters. and we don't have to try to subvert your expectations or raise the stakes at every single point.

We're keeping it very, very grounded about these emotions and these stakes. And I was just like, hey, after three episodes, if you listed out everything that happened, not a lot has happened. And I still feel like I've known these characters for years. But that's the thing, though. Because they only working with a certain amount of time,

man, every scene got a little something to it. They don't have time for gratuitous sex. Yeah. Which is, you know, we don't have a problem with that the game with them. They don't have a time with like tremendous feats of awe-inspiring violence to like ground you into the fact that this is the world that you're in. I don't know. Seeing that dude's eyeball fall out for a second was pretty nuts. Just fanging out just flound out. That was gross.

Yeah, man, how patch? Well, where are we at the eyepatches? I think it's cool. Is it, are we still in the eyepatch as cool? As long as Nick Fury was rocking one man, I think we're good. I think about eyepatch, to me, the eyepatch people that I think about slick Rick, eyepatch, fuck with him. Cool. Yeah. Cool. After a while, Nick Fury wasn't doing the iPatch no more. He took the iPch out, right? It wasn't what?

He didn't have the iPach anymore. What did he have to replace it? It was just the gray. It was like the gray eye. Was everybody? No, he always had the eye patch, didn't he? Did Nick? No, in Secret Invasion, I don't think he was wearing the iPash anymore.

Right. Thor took it out because we got the fake eye. Yeah, Thor took it out when he got the fake eye. I will say in comic books, video games, whatever, I do love him motherfuckers get a cybernetic eye. That shit always. That is cool. It's always cool.

I would actually get the visors. You would get the visors? I would get the Cyclops visors. Interesting. Like, you just wear the visor? Yeah. Even if it was just the one eye? Yeah.

So just one eye, you still wear the visor. Yeah. Is there like an eye patch that you could like put over your eye, but then it would stay there with no? Because I think it would be cool. So in Captain Marvel when he first gets the eyes scratched, like when he first see him, he's got like the little metal thing. Yeah.

Just holding in right there. You know what I'm saying? You could do that. No, we didn't. Thorhead that shit too. That's like a lot. That's the fiber thing on here. The Thor.

I patched Thor was kind of the man. I'm not going to bullshit. He was on the screen for 15 minutes. And that one fight in the Infinity War. That's the only time I didn't like when he got the eye. Because I was like it's so much cooler when Thor was just rocking the shit. Could make some look like a scarred, grizzled war veteran king. That's why I wish they would have given Jason Mamoa to fucking...

The hook for Aquaman? Yeah, the little hook thing. Come on. That was peak Aquaman. I got one more question. You think you got the love of your life. You think you see her getting hurt by a prince of noble nobility. You risk your life to go save her like Dunk did?

I mean, Dunk. Yeah. He just flashed out. Flashouts happened. I mean, when it's against a dickhead like that, yeah. I mean, well, she's technically not my girl yet. You know? Like, because she, home girl did play her.

So she was like, she was like, goose eggs. Charles. Charles. Goosex. He's like. Because he, come on. That's honor, man. That's honor.

You got nowhere to speak about. after we just heard. I don't want to hear nothing, but you got to say. Oh, so I can't defend somebody? No, I can't defend the other. You don't look at her eye patch. You're going to be like, what you got in there? We ain't even going on the first date yet.

It's crazy. Here's the thing, though, like, because I know, I know, I know niggas that would have to figure it out. I wouldn't have, but I know guys already like. You said I wouldn't know. Not me. Not me, no. No.

Like, if they were yelling, if they was yelling, if they was yelling, if they was yelling, if they was if they were yelling, if they were yelling, but you can't break the fingers. The breaking the fingers is crazy. The breaking of the feet, I'm like, hey, man, hey, you can't break her. Hey, I got to get involved if you, like, if they argue. I love how tipping you. I'm out there.

Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, don't touch her. And also, I'll tell you something else. We got to get involved because if we're real, that's a white man. Breaking the fingers of a black woman, how dare you get. Is she on your piracy? She's on the barrician. She's on the bi-racial.

She certainly is. I'm going to dunk, like, this is what I would do, you know, because I'm fairly skinny. I'm not as jacked. I would have turned around and be like, we're going to let this happen? Hey, go on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Buck you. Um, but dunk jumped in. He jumped in. He also, like, he's a, he's a big galute. He flashed out. Didn't think about it at all.

Didn't think about it. But again, that speaks to the honor. But you can't. He punched the prince. That's when I was just like, hey, yo, you know. Oh, it's over now. You know they're going to kill you, bro. You got to do it.

gotta do it to it and again since why you're not locked in bro that's not even this girl but he still did it love of the game I'm saying I would do it but I would think about it I would at least get a couple people and drop the jump in here Charles Charles Charles

While you're considering it She's gone she's done You're saying It's like I'm like Yeah bro No one can help me out She's losing her puppet license right now

She's not going to be able to make the things no more. She's not going to be able to make puppies. She's done. She meets it. Like, why are you thinking about it? I'm like, damn, where the rest of the puppet true? Where are you holding? They're going to be calling her.

They're going to be calling her tensile two fingers by the time he done, bro. And you would have been like, ah, man, I wish. Did you notice that guard that was, like, throwing the pollen on the fire to keep people out of the tent? No, I didn't see that. Oh, my God. It's right when he, like, don't go right past this guy where he's like, you stay back. And they're, like, he's throwing the pollen across this thing to, like, shoe people away. so there's not that many people in the tent.

I'm like, this is the most ridiculous security measure. The question is now, you know, dunk is fucked up, dunk in a lot of fucking trouble. So, you know, is she going to give them that first date now? Don't, like, if she is, well, let me ask the ladies in the room. All right. Now, did you get a groan? Did you get a groan?

The audible groan. This is why. Why can you never ask the ladies in a room? a room like about regular shit. It's all like you all is going to this.

What is this? What is this? I'm asking them a question that has to do with a dynamic that existed in the show. Okay?

Ladies, can you guys hear me? Yeah. Okay. Okay. You know what? You guys always make it weird. Now it's weird.

It wasn't weird. It wasn't weird before. Let's say that a guy. like that a guy likes you. Okay. Let's say that there's something between you and a guy, but it's unspoken, right? It's like unspoken.

You guys are looking at each other. It's hey, baby, but it's not, it hasn't been spoken here. Then you are like in trouble in some way. No, you're at work and somebody breaks in and breaks your fingers. That's not, we're not doing that dramatic, but. Okay. Because if that happens in this bitch, it's a whole. whole different type of situation.

We got to put it in contemporary situations. Let's say that you're in an argument or something or something like that happens or whatever, right? I don't know, maybe you're getting your fingers broken. I didn't want to say that because y'all are my people. If the guy that you kind of like and kind of likes you, you guys don't know it yet, if he steps in and defends you, does that make you like him more? Would you be more apt? Let's say you didn't know whether or not you wanted to go out on a date with the guy.

Maybe you did, but he jumps in to defend you when you're in a situation. Would that make you more apt to go out with him, or is it the same? If I already liked him, yes, the positive. It's a positive. Now, here's a question. If there was just a little bit of attraction, does that make it grow? I mean. If he defends you.

Is it going to blow back on me, though? What do you mean? Are the ramifications coming to me for him getting involved? Now, did he escalated now? Because now it's a whole problem. Because now is she in trouble? Oh, it's like by him intervening, did he make it worse? Yeah, did he make it worse?

Oh. I will say this dynamic. Hey, bro. I've seen this dynamic a lot. Hey, bro. I've seen this dynamic a lot. Hey, bro, we are so cooked. Nah, no.

We are so cooked, bro. We are so cooked. We never is never been over. The birth rate is never coming back, guys. It's over. We are so cooked. Yo! Like, nah, I'm not, they, I get what they're saying.

I totally get it. Wait, so you never, this is happening like New York. It makes a thousand percent sense. There'd be like an aggressive dude on the subway, right? And he'd be saying something to like a girl like, whatever. And the boyfriend kid up like, hey, yo, I don't know. Shit throws, they get off the subway. I was like, why'd you do that?

Why'd you embarrass me? Yeah. Why'd you, I didn't need to be saved. Why did it did it? Like, I understand that. And I can understand that. Hey, look. Why do you have to be all macho about it?

Why couldn't you... Just deal with it, right? I think... Obviously, in the breaking of the fingers, you have no choice, right? You got to get involved. But let's say it's not life or death. I do understand where it's just like,

hey, yo, if you turn this shit all the way up, if this is going to blow back on me a little bit, like, I got to think about it. I think, but there is a level. I think, like, to their point, there is a level of, all right, if it's just beef, if it's just talking, hey, man, like, we're cool.

We don't got to do all this. chill. Now if they start breaking fingers, you do got to get active. Man, I'm fucked. If I walk through this bitch and I see somebody yelling at LAA, I'm gonna be like, who the fuck you think you're talking to? I'm gonna, it's gonna be that, that's, and that's bad.

That's bad. And then, but that's a very patriarchal way of thinking about it. If I see somebody doing that to you, I'm gonna do it. The fuck, who you talking to Joe me that way? I'm just saying this is, these calculations, these calculations, I'm from the fucking caveman

school. Man, me and my dad was in a pigle. I told you all the story before. Dude is an interracial couple. Dude is like... Why is that? Why is that going to be? They were interracial.

Does that... Does that play into... Was it a dunk in a Tanzo or opposite? It was... It was a black dude, white woman. Okay. Okay.

And my dad saw the guy, like, yelling at the... Like, yelling at the woman. He was going on crazy. My dad was like, hey. Hey! Hey! Hey. you don't don't do that

I just relax y'all do that when y'all get out of here I got my son with me I don't want him to see all of that and the dude was like follow up my dad was like look and then he showed him the gun you know and he was like you know the thing was you know don't let people abuse with me but then my dad with you know anyway

basically what you're advocating for is men jump in there if you want to if you want to show them that you care jump in there don't know I'm not no no no no no no You know what? I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying that at all because I don't really know what you're supposed to do.

You don't know anymore? I'm not always, I just thought that you were supposed to, but you're not. Okay? Mm-hmm. Take stock of the situation. Yes. Right. Don't get involved.

That's the new. Okay, Midnight Boys. Don't get involved. Don't get involved. No, no. No. I'm just trying to like, don't. I'm trying to have a conversation.

It's nuanced. It's nuanced. It's nuanced. It's nuanced. Okay. It depends. Don't get involved. It depends.

Jesus Christ. Now if fingers are being broken and lives are on the line. You got to take a stand. You got to take a stand. But if it's just a little bit of chirping, don't do the bro thing. Yeah. Don't like. Don't get too hot.

I got to defend my lady's honor because you know. You just got to know the line. And also. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no. Wait. We got to know the line also.

We're not doing it just to, you know, to get some. We're doing it because it's the right thing to do. Exactly. Well, okay. So they don't believe you. Hold on. I just heard, hold on for a second. This is interesting.

Before we go, I heard another groan. We were agreeing. Oh, okay. Okay, they were agreeing. We're agreeing. So I guess my thing is this. So, okay, so we're going to do a midnight, we're going to do midnight rules this year. Midnight rules.

All right. First rule. 12 rules. Don't get involved. Midnight Testament. No, no, no, no, no, no. And it's right for that, get involved. Don't get involved.

Don't get involved. Do you see what's happening in the world today? It depends. Do you see what's happening in the world today? It's not black or white. It's not black or white. I'm an advocate for getting involved. But like, what I'm saying is,

why don't we turn to our lady friends and maybe have a discussion about what they say it again? They said, they said, they said, they said, you can get involved, but if it makes it worse for me, then you shouldn't have gotten involved. That tells me that there's actually a chance that getting involved makes it worse.

So I guess is getting involved, Maybe? Maybe? It is. Get involved. Hold on, hold on. This is it. Get involved. Question mark.

Get involved? Maybe. Maybe not get involved. Okay. I'll tell you something right now. If it's your girl. Oh, you got to get that involved. Right.

Yeah, that's different. If you don't, you got to get involved. You got it. That's different. All right. Now, I guess I'm not leaving there. You don't let them talk to me. Like, I'm like, no, man.

I would much rather her be like, hey, you took it too far. Rather her be like, oh, oh, that's how you going to do. I'm going to talk to you like this. You're not going to say nothing. Because also, I will be like, because I do have to say that this is me why saying. I'm like, yeah, but if we break up, I don't want everybody else thinking I'm a bitch.

You know what I'm saying? I got to stand on my... I got to stay my shit. You worried about what people are going to think of it. Man. That's crazy. I am. That's crazy.

I'm not like this whole restaurant thing. I'm a bitch. I'm going to know my dad. We got to. We got to go. But it's a devastating story I could tell. I'm telling you, you know, you know,

who I'm talking about, you know who you are, I'm stalling you out. What's up? We right here. It's just us, right now. You can tell you right now. We were just out of that place. She looked at you and she said,

nigger, you are punk. And I was like, oh, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I was like, like, it excited you. They got so mad at me. Everybody got mad at me because that might have been,

that was one of the best uses of old daddy that I ever happened. Because that happened. And then I went, oh, father. And it's like, man, why you, why you instigating shit? Everybody was so down. Rewing our trip to New Orleans. This is my last question, though.

But what happens if your girl wants you to turn it up and you see the guy you like, let's say he's an MMA fighter. Are you like? You got to do, she got to do, Big Dole? No. You love the game. You don't let a game that much. You don't let a game that much.

And that's okay. No, I've seen those hands where they're just like, they didn't know he was a fighter. Yeah, knock the fire. We square up and he starts doing that like street fighter stuff. Yeah. He starts stretching. I'll say this in closing.

The purpose of fighting is not winning. That's the machismo to me. The purpose of fighting is not winning. It's not exerting your dominance over someone. Agreed. The purpose of fighting is setting the limit of what you will take without responding to it. Okay. And that's for you and for the people that you fuck with.

The purpose of fighting is not winning. Sometimes you got to get your ass beat. That's the thing that the younger generation, y'all, is niggas didn't whoop my ass for. Sometimes you gotta get your ass me. But the difference is

motherfuckers what's in life. Ah, yeah, you're right. You know what? That's a lot. That changes the guy. If I get my ass beat on a Friday

and I come in here on Wednesday, y'all like, hey, yo, Charles, you gotta throw it up on it. We'd be breaking down a film. We were like, all right, man. Now, Charles,

when you were in the pigly-wiggly. Yeah, you didn't keep your hands up. We'd be going afraid by break. This was interesting. Oh, oh, hold on. Before we go, last time, seriously. Alea, question.

Maybe this is, you guys, Alleya, Dev, maybe this is the workaround. Let's say I saw you involved in something. Would it be, and this is going to sound so fucking stupid that it took me this long to come to this, would it be appropriate for me to be like, yo, are you okay? I'd appreciate that.

Okay, that's, okay, you're good? And then if you say you're good, I walk away. And then I look at the nigger I'm like, oh, bitch-ass nigga. But like you used to, if you, so you ask, you go, are you okay? You're good? I think that is a great way to handle.

I'm just thinking, Dunk looking at her broken fingers being like, are you all right? Dunk, don't know. Hey, yo, Tansel. What if you're like, hey, Tansel, you're straight? You're right? You straight, do like this. Give me your thumbs up.

Is it as bad as it looks, Tansel? Don't worry, they're going to make a song about you. Yeah, you straight. I'm going to be over there real quick. Just give me one second. Crazy word. Three episodes left, guys. Three episodes left.

Three episodes left. Hour and a half left of the show. Roundabout. Can't wait. Roundabout. Can't wait. Can't wait. Can't wait.

Show is cooking with grease right. All right. That's wrap. This week on the Ring of Verse feed on Sundays. Talk to Thrones is back. Mal, Joanna, Chris, returning back to West Rose. A night in seven kingdoms.

Talk to Thrones is the premier game of Thrones discussion show in the entire world. Maybe ever. Ever. Of all time. But I tell you what, I want them to tackle the question. This is a callout for Mallory, Joanna, and Chris. It's a callout. Tackle the question of getting involved.

This is the question of our times. Do you get involved? Do you not get involved? Do you not get involved? New segment. Do you get involved? New segment. Do you get involved?

We're going to take different things from fantasy lore. Do we get involved? And ask if we would have got involved in that shit. We would have let that shit rock. Just different heroism that we see, would you have gotten involved? You see Iron Man getting double-team by Bucky and Wintersote or Bucky and Carr? You got it. You guys got it. You got it.

You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. Should they have gotten involved? Get involved. Do you get involved? Or do you stay kind of on the side of right?

That's a good question. Black Panther. Do you see fucking Bucky? you see Cap Iron Man's getting fucking stalled out Oh, just Black Panther Get involved

Just Black Panther I tell you who didn't get involved Black Panther He said He didn't kill my dad Y'all got it It's a white man with white man problems You do with him

Die Hard 3 That's a white man With white problems Who's out there I like y'all do this I think this guy might have something to do With the death of my father I'm gonna deal with him

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Hashtag Jomi don't get involved. I do get involved. Nah, sometimes you don't do that. You already said. Sometimes I won't. Sometimes I won't. It's toxic to get involved.

Are you getting involved when there's a good? It's new ones. It's new ones. It's new ones. If there's a gun in play, yeah. Yeah. You don't get involved.

You don't what I'm saying? A knife, maybe. Is it in the park? A knife? A knife is worse than a gun. Nah, well, you probably- Getting knife down is crazy. I don't know, man.

A gun shot, man, you definitely. But you could also throw something. Like, you could pick something up. Like, if it was a knife, I could pick that up and throw it at somebody. That's getting involved. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, no.

And he looks at you, he goes, now you must feel my blade. And you're like, force. Now you're like, I shouldn't have got involved. Yeah. You know what I? Wait, so you would you rather get shot? Or were you rather get shing? Ah, fuck all this.

I'm not, I'm not putting that in the energy. No. Don't give me that. Y'all know how I feel about knives, man. Yeah, how many knives do you have in the house that you show off to people? Yeah, I'll tell you what, that's another thing. You get involved. If I get involved, the nigger might get a couple.

You might get some more. All right. Anybody want to see my clock? You might get some red. You might get some red. Y'all better leave people alone. I'm getting sick of this shit. I'm like, I'm like,

Shout out to Asher and Kai, man. I'm going to take Asher and Kai to the range. Y'all fucking over people too much. I don't like that shit. An additional production from the pacifist himself, he never gets involved. Arjuna Ramgapal. Chuck, take us out.

A night of the seven kingdoms left us walloped. Westrose is the hood. And before you get involved, ask your lady. You good? Boom! The New Testament got the wise man, bro. Yeah, they do.

All three of them. Three wise men, frankincense, and myr? Come on, man. It's just different. The New Testament, it is different. I will say that... The God with the gold is like, we had a spending limit. The Old Testament is fucking over the New Testament in terms of, like, just star power, though.

What? Yeah, it's not, yeah, it's not close. This is an Old Testament v. New Testament. You got Jesus. You got Jesus is one big star. Jesus and Mary alone. Come on. Jesus and Mary are big, but if I put Moses, Abraham, David.

This is a crazy line from you. Those are, this is two set episodes and not where you're lying. It's Jesus. Jesus is God. But see, you guys are looking at it like, yeah, Jesus is one guy. What about Mary? Just the icon, like all the disciples? Jesus Mary and Joseph.

Yeah. The New Testament got dogs. It's not why. Jesus Mary, you're putting Joseph. And it has all the holidays. Christmas. You put in Easter. By the way, just let you guys know.

Pagan holiday. Right. In the real. Yule log, Yule, the tree, all of that. You're celebrating. It's homework.

The pagan holiday of Yule. And it's a fact. Okay. Great answer. Here's the thing, though. Jesus is still like when you like, it's like when you ask your mother or somebody, hey, name one NBA player,

they're going to say LeBron or stuff. True. Right. You ask them about the Bible. It's going to be Jesus so Mary. But that's not the question. The question is, what if you ask you?

Ask them to name one great team. Would they name a team that had one star? They're going to name the 12. There's multiple stars. What are you talking about? So we don't even get into, we're not even getting into Judas. You know what I'm saying? Is there any star, okay?

Is there any star in the New Testament? Mary, I'll give you. Mary's important. Okay, yeah. Pretty important. Okay. Immaculate conception. Okay.

Mary's conception. But you guys didn't know that. The immaculate conception is not the conception of Jesus Christ. The immaculate conception is the conception of Mary. Look it up right now. Look it up right now. Look it up right now. The immaculate conception is not the conception.

It's the conception of Mary. This is a Game of Thrones. So this is what I'm saying. Back to this. Back to what I'm saying. If you go to the Old Testament, David got stories and lore. Okay, let me ask you this.

outside of of legitimately the conception of Jesus well, give me a marriage story. Marriage story? A marriage story? A marriage story? Going from in the end.

Give me a marriage story. Water to wine? Water to wine. That's Jesus. That happened at a wedding. You're out. You're out. Come on, man.

You expose yourself. Come on, man. I tell you, what's waiting for you? Hell. I mean, well, what's the Joseph story when he had to reprimand Jesus? When he had to reprimand Jesus, like Jesus, don't do that?

Put that down? Put that down? Yeah, it's a big. Put that out like it was a kitchen knife. This is another reason why I have so much respect for Jesus. Because I'll tell you why. Because let's say I'm Jesus and I'm like eight and I'm playing with blocks and something like that. I'm moving them around and stuff.

So if I'm Jesus, I'm eight years old. I'm playing with blocks. I'm moving around. And my my dad comes over to me and goes, Jesus, it's time to go to sleep. You're not my first. father and I know it. This is last week when you're like, you banished him to the cornfield. Hey, hey, hey, you're not my dad.

I know it. Okay. Get out of here. He's too respectful. Yeah. Jesus is very respectful. Yeah. Because had it been me, I would have looked at Joseph.

You're a real dad. I'd have been looked at him as the father who's trying to step up, but you can't step up for God, man. Would you have eaten the loaves and bread or are you like that? I don't know if I'm, okay. Trust me. If you're Jesus.

Okay. And you know that Jesus is going to slime you out. What are you going to do? Well, see, that's the thing. Because you have to let it happen. Right. But I would have fucked with Judas just a little bit. Just a little bit.

Is it me, Jesus? Like, fuck with, I would know. I would have fuck with him just a little bit. I'd be like, hey, Julius, how are you doing on money? You need some bread? You need some bread? I got daily, bread. You need anything?

Like, no, no, I'm good. You good. How could you be good? A couple of, you told me you was broke. What? Is there anything that you've done recently that maybe you would have come into some money? Like, it's like, nah, man.

What's y'all looking at? You just like, you press it? You press it at the last summer? I'm like, are you sure? Are you sure? Are you good? Judas, are you sure you don't need nothing? Because last I heard, you was.

Busted. You was busted. Luke, whoa, you don't think the kiss on the cheek, the cheek is worth. It's like so worse. It's so worse. The kiss on the cheek is crazy. It's so worse. This is what, but.

But Jesus kind of did mess with him, though, because Jesus was the last supper, like, I know one of y'all. One of y'all going to betray me. But see, even though what it is? And by the way, they just eating, eating, hey, man. I just want to let y'all know. I saw it coming. I'm going to go ahead and do this. Paul dropped this for a fork there.

We said that. Everybody, like, I'm going to go ahead and do this, but I'm going to let y'all know. I've seen it coming, man. If you're all the guys, you're just like, the meal's ruined. No. Matthew went looking around like, who? Who's he talking about? Who's he talking about?

Hey, bro, I'm going to. You think Judas was. Oh, that's crazy. This is like, wow. Actually, they was probably like, hey, man, I'm going to be real with you. Nigger, it got to be Judas. It's like, bro, it got to be Judas. He's looking around.

Nah, Drew's the type of nigga, he didn't even stop. He kept eating like, I don't know. It's not me. He was like, what? You. It's not me. What Judas really did is when Jesus said that Judas went. Took the chain in.

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