The Ringer-Verse - ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ Episode 5 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

The Boys are back, and they’re ready to dive into the most recent episode of ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’! They discuss Dunk’s character evolution so far, draw comparisons to other ‘Game... of Thrones’ shows, and contemplate who is worthy of wielding Mjolnir. (0:00) Intro (5:09) Spoilers ahead (7:30) ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ Episode 5 reactions (1:05:59) Outro (1:12:36) Post-credits Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Jade Whaley Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:35 Talk to Thrones is back. Mal Joanna and Chris returning back to West Rose for Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Along with House of Art deep dives, they're doing those as well. Yep. The show is taking off. People are talking a lot of stuff.
Starting point is 00:02:46 I saw Mina Kimes. Talking about how much she loved it. Wait, Mina Times is tapped in to... Minna Kimes is loving a 9-17. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Who did I just see, say that the last episode was the best written Game of Thrones episode
Starting point is 00:03:03 in years, maybe since the Red Wedding. Someone said that. All right, since the Red Wedding is... I mean, CR's loving this. I know that too. Oh, man, I don't... Since the Red Wedding? Well, you're not giving no love to Winds of Winter.
Starting point is 00:03:14 I don't really mess with that, man. Winds of Winter was better. Yes. Right. Wait, Battle of the Bastards? I mean, I think they're talking, I mean, I don't, I can't speak for this person. I can't remember who they are. But it's one thing for a show to give you for, if you say that it's better written,
Starting point is 00:03:31 then you're talking about specifically that, the floor of the story. I don't know if you could say, if they would have said this is the best episode might be different. Sure. If you say best written, though. If you say best written, then you can maybe have an argument about some of the episodes that we're talking about. like they're huge spectacles and big battles and stuff like that that happen that make them probably better
Starting point is 00:03:52 more engrossing episodes. I'm not saying that I agree, by the way. I'm saying, but best written would be a different metric. I think that's fair. That's fair. Yeah, that's the only thing I'm saying. But even that, though, there's been so much Game of Thrones, I'd really have to think.
Starting point is 00:04:04 You know what? What's it do? I have a thought here. Like, show your work. Okay. Everyone. The takes. we talked about this on
Starting point is 00:04:16 Tailgate a second ago. Show your work. If you have a take like that, I appreciate the take, but let's challenge each other as take people and discussers of this stuff. Take men. Take artists.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Take artists. Take artists. Let's challenge each other to say a little bit deeper, even here. These are the five best written episodes of Game of Thrones in the last 10 years. This is why I think they are.
Starting point is 00:04:43 This is where, this episode of a Night of the Seven Kingdoms fits in. This is why it's better. Let's just have a take. Maybe people a little bit smarter. We'll do that too. It takes a little bit more depth to do that. But I really feel like some of this stuff is more engrossing than even we give it conversation.
Starting point is 00:05:02 Really quick while we're on it. I just want to know. Do you think a Nine of the Seven Kingdoms has leapfrogged House of the Dragon? Do you think it's like now the better call Saul to the Breaking Bad? Got to finish the season. Got to finish the season. Through this point right now, it seems that they have a better handle on what they're doing. And it's not, it's, it's an easier job because Nine and Seven of the Kingdoms is a story.
Starting point is 00:05:26 It's written out. Yeah. They have all the characters, emotions, their feelings, that's all on the page. Whereas in Hot D, it's a lot of third-party sources, Sept, Septon Eustis, a Grand Master Monkin mushroom. Or I was just like, here's what happened. You don't know what Renier is feeling. You don't know what Allison's feeling. So it's an easier job not to say that it's not impressive
Starting point is 00:05:46 But it's just two different leagues I'm happy to resume that like take after we see the finale But I'm inclined to agree that this would leapfrog over my enjoyment Personally of the first two seasons of House the Dragon Only because this is better than the last season in Game of Thrones We've been honest I mean yeah I mean like so far yeah but you know
Starting point is 00:06:04 We're comparing something We're comparing something with two seasons to something with a half of a season I'm just trying to be fair Like we're comparing something with two full seasons to something with the half of the season. If we were to say whether or not our enjoyment of this is equal to or greater than our enjoyment of House of the Dragon at this same time, we'll go back and look at the episodes. But I will say that up to this point, this feels like it's doing its thing better than House of the Dragon. It just feels like. But it's more to compare from House of the Dragon, more up some more.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Sure. All right. On today's show, The Midnight Boys react to the penultimate episode of a night of the seven kingdoms. God damn you. Okay, spoiler warning. We're going to be talking about a lot of different things, and so there might be some spoilers. Jomey's here, and he's into the lore. You guys got to see Jomey around the office.
Starting point is 00:06:53 There's dragons everywhere. Dragons, dragons. The only thing I see in the office when I come in here is Jomew with dragons, and I see Alaya. Alea's everywhere. Alay's all over the place. Alia, what you've been doing? Everything. Everything.
Starting point is 00:07:04 You got everything going on? Yeah. You happy? Okay, there you. Oh, boy. You don't be asking that. Tough. I got to check on my people.
Starting point is 00:07:13 I check on my people. Okay. So, spoiler warning right here. We're getting ready to talk about Nice to something. You're listening to a reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. All righty.
Starting point is 00:07:35 We got to put you guys in the note. The only way to do that is Midnight Manifest. Chuck, take away. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for a 97 Kingdoms in the name of the mother, directed by Owen Harris written by Haram Martinez, Taya Mikkel, and Ira Parker. Nerves get the best of Dunk, and he's overwhelmed by the start of the battle. Knocked off his horse and impaled, Dunk goes unconscious, which leads to a flashback of his time
Starting point is 00:07:56 as an orphan in Flea Bottom. Dunk alive alongside his friend Rafe are on a quest to earn enough silver to buy passage to the free cities by raiding dead corpses. Unfortunately, the Dwar are constantly harassed by Alster, a flea bottom thug and thief. Rafe steals Alistair's booze and mocks a thief against Dunk's warnings. On the verge of escaping plea bottom, Dunk and Rafe are told the cost to the free cities has gone up, leaving the orphans despondent. To add insult to injury, the duo are ambushed by Alster and his men. Alster Slits Ray's throat, killing her and traumatizing Dunk.
Starting point is 00:08:26 The drunkser Arlen stumbles out of a tavern and uses his haphazard sword play to kill Rafe and his men saving Dunk. In a daze and with nowhere to return, Dunk follows Arland until the night takes pity and makes him a squire. Hearing the words of his master to get up, adult Dunk awakes and joins the fray, Duncan Aryan, engage in a long-groom duel that results in Aryan gilding, but the night is ultimately too late because after the battle, Prince Baylor arrives backstage with a mace wound to the head from his brother-maker, and it spawned to dunk cradles Baylor in his arms as the honorable prince dies. That has been your midnight manifest. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Fast, reliable internet means everything for your business. And even this podcast, that's why I trust Spectrum Business.
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Starting point is 00:10:21 All over smooth, all-day comfort, vanity fair lingerie. Find yours at Target today. Let's get straight into the episode. Van Penultimate. You know what this means in Game of Thrones. We know what this means in TV landscape. What did you think? That was fantastic.
Starting point is 00:10:39 I thought it was great. Okay? for me, enjoyed the entire thing. I was wondering how people might respond to an episode like this. I think the show continues to cook, continues to do its thing in a really, really amazing way. Chuck, I'm interested to see what you thought about this one. So, like the episode, did not love the episode.
Starting point is 00:11:07 I thought it was a bold, bold choice to basically, because they start the episode and when it's like the POV shot and like like Augustine him I was like all right we there and then boomed to the flashback to take us out of the story
Starting point is 00:11:21 it was tough and that's not saying that the flashback was bad I actually enjoyed the flashback quite a bit I just thought I was like I don't know if this was placed well because then once we get back to the present timeline I'm like all right
Starting point is 00:11:37 this is what I've been waiting for this was actually my biggest fear coming into this episode because it's kind of easy to call where we've been here before, where there's about to be a big rising action in our story, a massive either action scene or like a culmination of everything that's going to physically happen, and then it's cut short by a massive flashback.
Starting point is 00:11:55 And it's usually in the beginning of an episode, and it takes place throughout the majority of that episode. And it happened, and I immediately was bristling against it and did not like it, or at least didn't like the choice. And within five minutes, I actually understood why this needed to be here and it completely washes all of the problems that I had with it away. I think that this was actually perfectly placed and perfectly executed
Starting point is 00:12:21 for where in the story it needed to be because of a couple of narrative framings around what the rising action for Dunk and his origin that actually isn't an origin in this episode and why it's important because it's only half of this episode. And then the other half is that action and is exactly informing the direct consequences of what happens in the battle. Not even just because of the entire season ahead of it,
Starting point is 00:12:47 but a little tiny sliver of his life right before. And it's beautiful. Yeah, it's definitely a bold choice to put a flashback, like an extended flashback right before like the climax of your story, like the big action. But I think it worked. It definitely worked for me because this is something we talked about after we watched the episode,
Starting point is 00:13:05 which was it was important to know why Dunk went and found Sir Arlington. or why they're together in the first place. Like, we needed to see that before that fight. And so literally, they're about to start. There's really no other time to do it than right now. Let's have it out. Let's see it. And shout out to Mike Arslerland, man,
Starting point is 00:13:23 because he put them boys down with some real justice, man. He was locked in. We've been talking about lightsabbers for a while, and I was just like, is Sir Arlen's form, like, drunken style? Like, he just like, fucking swinging that shit.
Starting point is 00:13:37 And that's the day. I'm thinking, like, he's not even in his right mind. Imagine him in his prime. What he reminded me of? You know that movie, Nobody? Yeah. You know how he fights in nobody? Like Bob Odenkirk?
Starting point is 00:13:48 He doesn't fight with like a ton of precision, but he has this focus, well-trained rage that allows him to like overwhelm other people. He takes a shot. He gives a couple of shots. He's trained, but it's not like John Wick with the whole nine. But when he was getting busy, it was very heroic. It was a very heroic scene.
Starting point is 00:14:08 It was a scene that. that you could argue could have come earlier in the season, but I tend to agree with C. I think that we could not get out of this season of television without understanding what set dunk on his path, and you couldn't do it in the finale. And so you had to do it in the penultimate. You had to do it right here, and I think it worked.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Yeah. Is there any part of this, because I was wondering, the show living within the constraints of its budget and how small it was because I was like, oh, this is also a choice. So it's like instead of having a 30-minute battle, like we would normally in Game of Thrones, it's like, A, we're going to keep a very character-focused
Starting point is 00:14:53 and then on the back half we're going to have like 10, 15. It's funny. I think this was them stretching the show. This was them stepping on it a little bit. Really? The battle itself was, so, Normally in Game of Thrones, we talk about these things, the show is long enough to where those battles can, like,
Starting point is 00:15:09 almost be 30 minutes on their own. They're almost smooth. And we kind of, at least I walked into this episode, assuming that they're like, oh, wow, we're going to get like a 30 minute. Right. But you can't do that because that then would be one episode of television. So a way to stretch the action over two episodes is to bottleneck the action in one episode and give you some at the top and then some at the back
Starting point is 00:15:31 and give you the flashbacks in the middle. and then the last one, you can see the way the resolution and all that stuff like that. So this was, to me, stretching it a little bit because they couldn't have
Starting point is 00:15:44 just one complete or they couldn't have it, they couldn't have as much of that as we've gotten in past shows. Right. Well, they did stretch it because this story is not in the book. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like,
Starting point is 00:15:56 Doug has a friend named Rhaef that lives in Fleet, that they live in Fleet Bottom, but like this specific set of actions really this not happened in the book okay so yeah and it's sir arlin's characterization in the book the same like is he a drunk and kind of just like uh just kind of just yeah just like he he it's kind of the same thing with him like not being knighted in this in the same way where they don't tell you they don't explicitly tell you that's what it was but you can kind of like
Starting point is 00:16:24 get from uh contest clues that sir arlin like was a good guy was a good guy to dunk but in terms of being like a great night. I think that that's probably the brilliance of that episode. You say that they might have been stretching it this episode. And to me, I disagree with that because if we are forced to have an episode where we flashback to the important thing that's going to inform Dunk to eventually win the day,
Starting point is 00:16:50 I think the use of the story that they tell here and not say training montage with Dunk as to how to fight or why fighting is important. or him instilling all of the virtues of knighthood to him in his life that isn't shown, but instead the things that we see in his life are the moments right before we meet Sir Arland in Dunk's life and the type of kid that he was right before he tells him to get up.
Starting point is 00:17:20 And that like parallel low point in his life where he is knocked unconscious in this battle as a grown man and as a knight and it ends that flashback with him telling him to just get up because that's how their interaction starts. That's all that he needs to be taught is just how to get up. And to me, that is the brilliance of this show's construction to where we never go back to that flashback in this episode. We never go back to him learning how to like Perry
Starting point is 00:17:49 or how to stilt rings or have like a overall big lesson. It's really just this wounded puppy-of-es, of a child had followed somebody that loved him and followed someone that saved him. And then the second that he gets up, you are at the best point of his life. I think it is a training montage though. It certainly is.
Starting point is 00:18:09 But like it, the caution is not about whether or not stories do things. An exposition dump isn't the problem. The problem, I'm not talking about this as being an exposition dump. The problem is whether or not it's done well. How do you do it, right? So like the clean slate exposition dump, terrible. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Right. Like, terrible, terrible. But that being sort of this intellectual mcuffin in the movie, you have to explain it. So the question is, how do you explain it? Do you explain it was by someone just saying it like that? Like, oh, my God, I'm Batman. Like, you know, like, just like, or do you, and this is me being critical of Christopher Nolan, so shout out to the Reddit of the big picture.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Oh my God Don't feed that. Why are you doing that? It's fun to me. Fun to me. I like people who care about Also, no one has a good fucking
Starting point is 00:19:03 exposition dumping tenant. Yeah. Just feel it. I tend to enjoy people who are passionate about the things that they love. Even though they call you a race baiter? I don't fucking care.
Starting point is 00:19:14 I really don't care. I think it's a cool community. But look, so this is what I would say. So the question about whether or not they're stretching it there's no intellectual argument to be made. They're stretching it. They're stretching it because they added something
Starting point is 00:19:29 into this story that's not in the book. Right. Right. So the question is to me whether or not they're doing it well. And they did do it well. They did it well. They gave you something that was meaningful
Starting point is 00:19:39 into why the character overcomes. And also when I say stretching it, I mean, not necessarily in a cynical way. Meaning you, a lot of times when we adapt things or people adapt things from books to movies, we assume,
Starting point is 00:20:01 and I don't know, to trigger people, that the story in the novel is perfect. And it is perfect often for its medium. For a medium that is drawing on dramatic beats and that is using
Starting point is 00:20:15 the visual element of storytelling, sometimes you need more. A lot of times you need more. In the case of Running Man, which we just watched with Edgar Wright, he was too faithful to the book. And the book, that telling of the story doesn't lend itself to a one-to-one adaption. So they had to stretch it. It needed something more to get you to an arc structure that works for a television show,
Starting point is 00:20:43 even a television show with shorter episodes, and they nailed it. I mean, I do think my favorite part of the flashback, that informed the fight so much was how stubborn dunk was about not dying. Like he stabbed his fucking food. And he will just not quit. And it was
Starting point is 00:21:04 like, at first when I watched the fight between Dunk and Aaron, I was like, this is ugly. Like, it's kind of getting his ass kick. Yeah, like, Dunk is getting his ass kick, but the thing is he's like, he just gets back up. He just won't say
Starting point is 00:21:20 stabbed in the chest. Yeah. the leg. And that to me, I was like, without the flashback, I would have been like, so Dunk sucks? And I was like, no, no, no, no. The thing that makes him worthy is that like you can't get, like you can't kill. But just think about this. You're right.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Think about this. This entire time he was going to be risking his life to do this. Yeah. This whole time. Dunk has been sort of flippant with his own existence. He has put everything about him on the line in order to achieve and get what he wants. like he's done that like he even in this situation this flight is going to be for some people obviously we see it to the death yeah there are going to be some people who die in this he is
Starting point is 00:22:02 courageous as a knight and so we assume that that's the reason why he never stops to really make that calculus in his mind but also he's already risked his life just to be here yeah like his entire place in this world started with him nearly dying to get the opportunity to become a knight, to get the opportunity to become a squire. So he is certainly willing, based upon what we've seen in him in this episode, to put it all on the line to be a knight. Was there anything in the one thing in the flashback that reminded me of Game of Thrones and kind of the worst way, the Rafe getting the throat cut and lingering on it?
Starting point is 00:22:46 I was like, this is a little much. That was a little bit. It is gruesome, and it is kind of. of like, I wouldn't call it gratuitous, but it's certainly reminiscent of the tone that Game of Thrones has. And it's probably, I wouldn't say to the show's benefit to remind us of those things, because it could make a lot of mistakes that a lot of Game of Thrones shows and episodes have made in the past. But that particularly was awful.
Starting point is 00:23:11 I think the better part to me that informed, at least who Dunk was in this flashback, is probably his kind of philosophy of, like, albeit childlike, with love and family, where he's like kind of arguing with Rave in the cellar about not wanting to leave Flea Bottom because he understands that his mother is dead, but he's waiting for her to come back. And he's hinting at this idea of like,
Starting point is 00:23:36 well, what if my mom's just trying to get out of the place that she is like I am? And if I'm not here, she won't be there. And like, it's kind of dumb, but it's also a little profound about how we just stay in the places that are the worst parts of ourselves. and how every time that he is taken out of them
Starting point is 00:23:55 it's by people that save him or push him along. And now he has to do this himself. I think that's a good point. I think in terms of like the Game of Thrones, the nihilism or the cynicism of the story, I don't think it's necessarily rife getting her throat cut. I think it's dunk in that same scene, looks at her and goes,
Starting point is 00:24:14 what if this is the best that there is? And it's like, dang, bro, you live in a cellar, you eat, like, you eat rats, He's got two coppers to rub together. But he's afraid of that. He's afraid of that possibility of it being worse. Maybe this is what it looked like.
Starting point is 00:24:27 And it's like, you, this and maybe it's just like this story. But of all the Game of Thrones stories that we've seen thus far, this one, like as brutal as it is, sing dunk and egg happy together doing their thing has brought like smiles to our faces, right? If you're watching, we go, we love these two characters. We want to see the best for them. We know it's still the Game of Thrones work. world, but it's still happy. It's uplifting. You watch Game of Thrones. You watch House of the Dragon. There's none of that. I mean, Dunk did almost kill that man. Like, I was like, God damn,
Starting point is 00:25:01 Dunk. I mean, it was a mercy killing, but I was still like, yeah, yeah, Dunk. So a couple of things. Number one, at least this season of the show to me is about our initiation into this world through the character of Dunk. Dunk learns everything in a hard way. Everything. Like, Everything in the hard way. Every single thought he's had in his mind, he's unlearned it. And he's unlearned it at trial by fire. Like every single thing. Trial by fire, trial by seven.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Trial by five, trial by seven. Every single thing that he's done, he's going to earn his knighthood like the hard way. And earning his knighthood, the hard way is fighting in the trial by seven against the most powerful family in all of Westeros. And if he survives, he's a knight. nobody gets their knighthood that way normally not by fighting the actual crown like it doesn't happen that way
Starting point is 00:25:55 so in this situation he thought that he never wanted to leave and this could be the best but he was wrong like or this could he was wrong he was wrong he wasn't as safe as he thought he was at any time he could be taking advantage of the only thing that was going to make him strong
Starting point is 00:26:13 was to actually be strong so he had to put something on the line to go get that and that's why he fought so hard to be a squire. Also, I want you guys to notice something about the show. We are squarely in Game of Thronesland now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Like, they made a hard pivot. So, like, there are moments of levity in these last couple episodes, you know, the guy farting in the thing and all this. But right now, they did something. We are squarely, we're back. We're like, we're back. There's brutality in this
Starting point is 00:26:43 that we had, didn't see before. In this, there are stakes. there's wars, there's the same struggle versus the Targaryen. There's legitimately, this is kind of a combination of the shows that we've seen before. There's struggle against the Targaryans. There's a Targaryian civil war that's actually happening.
Starting point is 00:27:04 There's a little house of the dragon in there between like Baylor and his brothers and everything that's going on. There's mysticism, talk of drag, all of that stuff. We're back. The first couple of episodes that we were watching, we were in a new place
Starting point is 00:27:16 and when we formed that world around it, even when you heard the theme come in, that was to announce that Baylor was coming in, like in the last episode, that Baylor was coming in to save the day, but it was also the theme song introducing you back into the world that you know. So we're here now.
Starting point is 00:27:37 It's interesting to see how far they're taking. So when she gets her throat cut, that actually made sense to me, like the brutality and the familiarity of it made sense to me because we're back in the same world we always, we kind of grew up in the same world we always knew. Why do you think not to compare this show to like House of the Dragon or Game of Thrones, but my hot take would be, to me, this is the most interesting that Targaryens have been on screen, at least in through all these three shows. I don't know what
Starting point is 00:28:06 it is about this family, but their struggle is just more like I can sink my teeth into. Whereas with like House of Dragon, I'm like, what are they really? really fighting for it. Was there a moment in this episode that you're just like, wow, like this is, like, is it because we're seeing them in the wake, like in the eyes of the small folk? Yeah, it's, I, well, I think first, I think because there are no dragons, you have a lot more philosophical, you can get into a lot of philosophical things about what does it mean to be a Targaryen, like, are these motherfuckers really crazy?
Starting point is 00:28:36 Like, can, I think even just egg being like, can egg rise above this? That is something that you can have so many seasons where you're like, now, I'm interested in Dump, but I'm like, okay, how does Egg outrun his destiny? You know, because in the previous, I think it was two episodes ago, the fortune teller is basically like, you're going to be a monster. And I'm like, that to me is just like, I don't know why I'm connecting with this version of the Targaryens. And it's probably because this is when they have no power. I think the thing that makes it the most interesting is the Fossaway line in episode three, when he's, like these guys are in sexual,
Starting point is 00:29:17 infectious aliens, Duncan. Yeah. Like, and then what? I think it's the last episode where it's like, they don't, the dragons, where are the dragons?
Starting point is 00:29:25 Right? To your point, they have no, they have all the power, but they don't have any like real power, right, in terms of back in the day, if you mess with our Targaryen,
Starting point is 00:29:34 boom, I'm gonna just send my dragon on you. I'm gonna burn your house down. It's really over. That's the end of the story. And nobody can do anything about it. Nobody can do anything about it. I think it's interesting when all these people,
Starting point is 00:29:43 they're in a place where like revolt can happen. at any time. They are still, it's fresh in their mind. I think also they're demystified. Yeah. And when we first meet them,
Starting point is 00:29:54 there's all of this talk about who they were, who they are. You know, we see Danny getting the high water. She don't get burned. Are these people like something special, something different? Then we watch Danny grow up.
Starting point is 00:30:09 And she goes through a lot. She finds this sort of nobility, this righteous sinner and we go, oh, maybe they are fit to rule. Maybe they should rule. She's like Neo. She's the chosen one. The dragons come back.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Everything surrounding her is like mystical and mysterious. And then when we get the version of the Targaryans, we get in the House of their dragon, well, this is them at their peak. They're riding on the backs of their nuclear weapons, right? They're like, they're, this, this fight is for power of a,
Starting point is 00:30:44 a dynasty, this is a dynastic war, all it is. This is them just trying to fucking figure it out, really. In the mud, literally. This is them, and almost everything that gets said kind of doesn't make any sense. When he says the dragon ought not lose, you don't kind of feel it. Like, you feel like he's saying something that he heard somebody else say. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 00:31:05 And so, like, you don't really, you kind of don't believe it. He looks kind of petulant. Baylor looks like the only person, well, He looks like he's dealing with the realities around him, which is that he is going to be king. There are a set of responsibilities that come around there. With that, should I say, there's a set of perceptions that come with that,
Starting point is 00:31:26 and he's got to navigate those. And there are differing ideas within the family on that. And it's just like family shit on, like, how he should rule. That's family shit. Like, there's a little brother who doesn't like his big brother. Like, for reasons that his big brother is abusive and all of this. They're kind of, yeah, sure, they're very powerful, right? because they are, they're the crown.
Starting point is 00:31:45 They have the Iron Throne. But they're kind of boring. And they've never been boring. They're, they're, the decisions that are being made here are, every Targaryen is being second guessed by another Targary. They're being talked about. Just like they're being gossiped about the whole nine. And when the gossip is coming, it's not coming like, oh my God, these people are
Starting point is 00:32:08 an existential threat to the entire kingdom. It's like, you know, we don't like these people. We've never fucked with them. it's time for their rule to end. And then we kind of watch them the way that it is. They don't seem they're high-born, but they don't seem any different than anybody else. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Like they're just a part of this world. And the dragons used to like cover that. But now you don't have your nukes. Who are you? And even the fact that they are not all blonde. Like even that, it's like you got to brunette Targary and trying to figure out the world. And his son with one fleck in his hair,
Starting point is 00:32:41 it makes them more interesting. It's kind of like the same conversation we're having over and over and over and over again about why Batman is better than Superman. Because it's hard to write a God. It's easy to write a man. So in this situation, they seem to have more dimensions to them because you're wondering whether or not they're going to win or lose. I mean, to me, it's interesting that the Civil War of the Trial 7 to me is more interesting than the actual Civil War that we've seen. because to your point, it's just so small and it's almost so petty. You are like, the crown should be above this.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Why is this even happening? But also, it's kind of the most important thing that they could argue about because it's at the apex of what is right and what is wrong. And it's on a smaller scale because it's only seven on seven, but like that crowd that's watching them
Starting point is 00:33:33 may as well be all of Westeros because they're just fighting for those things. Did you wish that you could have seen the other seven getting busy? Or do you think it was a good choice to like keep it? It's a great choice to only focus on dunk.
Starting point is 00:33:46 A, saves you a lot of money in the fight scene. Two, it's really all that matters. And we never leave Dunk's side in that fight. We're inside of his helmet
Starting point is 00:33:55 for the most of that fight. Do we ever? Because there's a point where he's like turning when he like beats Arian and he's like, oh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:04 It's almost like, we got to stop there. And I was wondering, I didn't get a chance to like freeze frame it. Do we ever see Baylor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Yes. Yeah. There's like half of a second where like he hits somebody else and then like it bumps across Dunk and then that's all that you see of him. And then there's also once he's when he's giving Aryan the business and make our goes to like stop it and this Kingsguard holds him back to protect him. I think it's a very small choice to just see Dunk and Aaron because that's really what it's all about at the end of the day.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Did Dunk take Aaron's nuts? I thought he nicked his fellow artery. No, he nicked him into into a little. Oh, because I was. thoughts be like, he can't take his nah, man. That's,
Starting point is 00:34:43 come on, man. He would not be getting up. He would not be doing it. Aaron, that's just over. The reveal at the end, uh, with poor Baylor,
Starting point is 00:34:52 how did it hit for you? Oh, God. Crazy. Here's a thing. I had a feeling. Mm-hmm. In last episode,
Starting point is 00:34:58 I'm like, yeah, I know what. I'm going to go to the whole episode. I was, and I got through the whole episode. And when he walks in super confidently, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:35:08 that's all right. Yeah. And he's talking a little, slower and a little slower. And I was like, I was like, turn around, motherfucker. It's just,
Starting point is 00:35:16 it's just such a galling depiction of the world. It sucks. It's just such a galling depiction of the world. And the crazy part is, too, I know it's coming. I've read the, I've read the book. I know what's supposed to happen. In that moment I go, oh, look it.
Starting point is 00:35:30 That's okay. Hey, good for him. Because there's no heroes again. That's when I'm just like what a motherfucker isn't feeling like Superman. And he takes the helm off. And again, no one will happens, it still hurts. Now, when Dunk was holding him,
Starting point is 00:35:44 I was like, my man, get Don. My man can't fucking win. That's the theme. That's the theme of the episode. Get up. Honestly, only losing three people, it ain't bad. Beesbury.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Shout out, Beesbury. You had the best armor, man. He did what he had to do, man. Shout out. He completed the team. Who knows, he didn't say no words. Honestly, but he was out of there. Dunk's armor was not doing much.
Starting point is 00:36:07 I was like, He was getting. I will say just from a technical standpoint, the action scenes in the show, you always wonder how they were going to... Pull it off. Yeah, how they were going to come to them, what they were going to be like.
Starting point is 00:36:21 It's Game of Thrones combat is very, very important when you're getting into some of the resolutions of these prop points. It did fantastic job. It was very intense. Wait, I wanted to ask y'all, how did you feel about... Because in Game of Thrones,
Starting point is 00:36:34 I feel like we're watching motherfuckers who were just so good with the sword. Yeah. You know, like, we got Rob and Ned and Jamie. Barrett Dondarian. And John and all these motherfuckers. Like, they swinging the sword so well. There was, like, Aryan to me was, like, he was better than dunk with a sword.
Starting point is 00:36:51 He had a couple moves that were pretty good. He had a couple moves, but he wasn't, like, getting busy, like they was getting busy on Game of Thrones. I think, and I think that's part of the choreography. I think the most, honestly, the lights was too bright for the boy. And so he got a little shook because Dunk is, you know, what six, it's supposed to be 6-11 in the thing. It was supposed to get dirty real quick because everybody's like, yo, what are we, like, what are we really doing here? The moment got too big for everybody. And so in, like, you can see it in the swings.
Starting point is 00:37:21 He wasn't confident. He was scared. He was, like, it was just supposed to be grinding. He's supposed to be dirty. And literally at the end, he's like dragging him through the mud because that's the vibe of the fight. It's not supposed to be clean. And it's supposed to be a dog fight. Well, nobody really, like, Aaron.
Starting point is 00:37:39 is not he's a shit he's not a fine knight he's not a swordsman he's been trained he's I mean he's been trained but there's nothing special about him he interesting thing about him being trained so he's been trained a lot right
Starting point is 00:37:54 but when you look at the way that he fights he doesn't push himself yeah so like you guys have heard of the theory of evil marksmanship right yeah yeah so like why the bad guys always miss why the bad guys always miss that's supposed to be a commentary on the amount of what they're made of.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Yeah. They didn't spend time learning how to shoot like the good guys did. The good guys have this purity that makes them go to extra mile. They put their all into their craft. They really want it bad. Like you watch Django learn to shoot and all that and shit like that. So for him, when he is in a jouse against someone else, he takes the easy way out. So he takes an easy way out.
Starting point is 00:38:38 and you will make you ask how many times throughout his life, even with all the training that he had, how many times do he cut corners? He tells him to yield just because he wants to stop. Right. Is he the best fighter he possibly could be? You have that,
Starting point is 00:38:49 and then the fact that Dunk is not trained like that. Dunk is trained, but not the way... The crown is. Yeah, like he's trained. So... He's trained to just not... Don't stop swinging. Just swing that.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Yeah, he's trained in the emotion and brutality and that. Do you think part of that is him growing up Flea Bottom where it's like he's known desperation mud, blood, fighting because he does get trained by Sir Arlen, but like he's seen warfare, he's seen people get fucked up. In a way, I'm like, how much
Starting point is 00:39:22 bloodshed and carnage has... Well, Dunk is just accessing who he really is. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, that's who he actually is. He's fighting for what he believes to be a real truth. There's a cause. Like, Arian's whole fight, his whole thing is bullshit. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:39:38 So like Dunks, he's fighting for something, really his existence, obviously his life in a real way, but also the way that he views himself. His ideals. His ideal. So he's going to fight a little bit harder. And so this really, for both of these guys, is their last true training. This is kind of how they find out who they are. And then we learn who they are. One guy is a knight and the other guy is a sniveling prince.
Starting point is 00:40:03 It is crazy, though, whereas like if I'm Aryan, I'll be looking like egg like, yeah, yo, shut up. He was right, fuck. And with that other lady, he's like, go. Kill him. He was, ah, man. Shout out of Egg, man. He was out there like, yo, let's lock in. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Kill him. Yeah. Arian really did some. Aaron was going crazy on Egg, man. Egg hate his brother, bro. Yeah. He was like, kill. This is like some Oasis shit.
Starting point is 00:40:29 They are not coming back to the tour. They actually, they figured it out, didn't they? Oasis? No. Oasis? Oasis? They definitely were in the Roseball last year. They're not like, they're not pieced up.
Starting point is 00:40:44 They're just there for the check. They went back. If they tour together again. I'll tell you one thing, Aryan and egg not coming back for no check. No, they're not coming back to the check. They'll come back to the check. Oasis of a couple of brothers that never got it back together.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Who are the biggest beefing brothers in entertainment history? Beefing brothers. Beef and brothers. So you got the Gallagher's from Oasis. Right. Right. Think of other family members. I can't think of like.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Germain and Michael B for a second. Remember Jermaine Jackson made that disc track against Michael Jackson? I mean, yeah. Like, Jeannie and Jim. Genie and Jim. Yeah. Jeannie and Jim, that's a good beefing siblings. This isn't brothers, but Migos broke my heart.
Starting point is 00:41:23 That's tough. They broke up. Yeah, that's family. That's family. That counts. The beef and families and entertainment. Mirdox. Murtags.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Murtons. Anybody like that, but Daddy got a lot of money. They're going to start beefing. They're going to start beefing, yeah. Oh, what's we're calling, Paramount, the Ellicence? It's me. I don't know, but I don't think Anna Perna of the... Oh, that lady don't like of the brother.
Starting point is 00:41:46 I don't know. There might seem to be like, damn, right? That's crazy. She worked so hard to get to where she's at. How many Oscars did she have? She was born. Saftees broke up. All right, what's going on over there.
Starting point is 00:41:57 That's a big one. That's a big one. There's a lot going on there. Yeah. If you've read. I don't know what happened. You didn't read it? No.
Starting point is 00:42:04 All right. Something along good time. No, no, fuck up. No, no. Allow it. Okay. Well, has this been reported on? Yes.
Starting point is 00:42:11 Yes. Yes. Yes. Allegedly, on the set of good time, have you seen it? There was that scene where it's the, it's like the teenage girl having sex or whatever. Allegedly, they did not know that she was actually. Josh knew that she was under. Benny did not.
Starting point is 00:42:33 age at the time, Benny did not, and supposedly it was reported that that is kind of like their riff, and people were saying like it was one of those
Starting point is 00:42:43 Oscar moves where it's like, hey, yo, we're going to plant the story. I don't know if that's actually true, but the reporting is like one of the brothers knew that she was underage
Starting point is 00:42:52 and was kind of like, we got to keep filming and the other one was like operating. But then they made another movie. They made... But he found this out like seemingly years after the fact. And then there was a falling out
Starting point is 00:43:02 with their managers. Hold on. Yeah. They found, he found out what years after the fact? About that actor, from what I read. So then if that's the case, then neither one of them knew at the time that it had. Oh, no, he found out, he found out later that his brother knew. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:14 Okay, so he didn't, he didn't know, and he found out later that his brother actually knew. That is the reporting. Yeah, that's what they say. Mm-hmm. That's tough. That's a tough one right there. Shout out of Aleas. She also said Cain and Abel. That was a pretty big.
Starting point is 00:43:27 Caneyn abel is the original. How do we forget? Does Megatron and Octon's Prime account? I don't think they're fans. Wait, have the teenage movie Ninja Turtles ever be used? I mean, that's... Oh, Raphael. But that doesn't count.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Raphael always thrashing out. Raphael and Leo, Raphael is always like, Leo, why are you trying to... Do they Raphael never step up to the plate? Yeah, that's true. He backs down. Yeah, all he do is, like, criticize Leo because Leo want to be a leader.
Starting point is 00:43:53 Step up to the plate and be a leader then. Yeah. Take over the turtles and then lead them on something. Leo got some Cyclops versus Wolverine. Once again, Wolverine. I fuck with you Wolverine. You're my guy. You don't like the way
Starting point is 00:44:07 Cyclops is. Cool. We're in the Dangero training. Don't talk about it. Be about it. Whoa. Where in comics? You want to know?
Starting point is 00:44:15 I don't know if y'all ever read this comic. In the bad family, Damian Wayne fucked Tim Drake up. I mean, that shit out of him. Damien's a savage. Yeah, he's like, I mean, come on.
Starting point is 00:44:26 I'm fucking robbing now. Yeah, but I mean, even with that, though, you know, you was cool. I'm looking at that if I'm looking at that. I'm Damian Wayne. If I'm Damien Wayne, the first thing I would have done was Clean House. Wait, everybody's getting rid of everyone. Dick Grayson?
Starting point is 00:44:43 I'm saying, yeah. Well, Dick, you can't get rid of Red Hood. He's the only one who stays. Damian Wayne's fucking Red Hood off. Dick is different because. No, but he used to guns, though. Dick stays. Dick is, well, no, he would.
Starting point is 00:44:55 He would. He absolutely. But Dick is different just because. Oh, sorry. I was mistaken. Like, he really took a liking to Dame. and tried to help Damien Big bro.
Starting point is 00:45:05 Right. Right. Right. But look, if I come in and I'm his actual kid. Yeah. When y'all come back to Wayne Manor, it's going to be some bad.
Starting point is 00:45:13 The hierarchy just changed. Yeah. The hierarchy in the DC universe changed. He'll be real with y'all in life. So he was looking for sons and daughters and shit like that because he didn't have none. But guess what? Turned out he was wrong.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Might be time to get the fuck out. So you say Damien is just changing all the locks in Wayne Manor. He's like... Especially on Tim Drake. I like Tim Drake. He's a great. He's a great. He's a great.
Starting point is 00:45:33 Rob. Well, he's like, hey, yo, you 18. Time to get out the fucking. Tim Drake for Shoggin cut. Nightwing for Shoggin cut. Barber can stay. I think he would keep Red Hood all because Red Hood be using them guns.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Red Hood, you do want to kill folks. And Damien Wayne kind of like, you know, in the, what's called, um, the shadow, whatever, the Ross Hargoo school. Oh, right. Be killing villains. And he, they can see out of eye, I feel like. He cock blocking his dad with Catwoman?
Starting point is 00:45:56 Easily. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Nah, man. Yeah. He absolutely. He's like, no. he's like, no, he's like my mom or nobody else.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Remember what? I forget what movie it was? Oh, oh, oh, you trying to like, yeah. Smash anybody that's not mom? Nope. Hello? Hi, it's Scott. Yeah, can you bring it to the, can you, can you just leave it?
Starting point is 00:46:19 He's not for real. At the, uh, at the Spotify lobby? Instacart, are you serious? You got the bananas from the courts? You know what is that? Okay. Just leave it on one of the benches. Ain't nobody going to take it.
Starting point is 00:46:34 Scott. You're not real. I'm serious. Like, leave it on one of those benches right there in the middle. Nobody's going to take it. I'll go get it. All right. I appreciate you.
Starting point is 00:46:42 Stay up. Tell him the Instagram driver to stay up. You want to go get your Instagram? You want to go get your Instagram? No, we're straight. No, get your Instagram. No, somebody's going to take them. Because they stole the burritos.
Starting point is 00:46:54 Yeah, they absolutely will take it. You should. You should get that right now. We'll be right back. Yeah. To get back to Game of Thrones, actually, speaking of, like, Saturday. Before we get into Game of Game of Thrones,
Starting point is 00:47:11 Van, do you want to update everybody on your Instagram card? Got it. Got it? What did you get? I need to get another hard drive and I needed some AA batteries. Some AA batteries?
Starting point is 00:47:22 I thought we could have found out some AA batteries for you in the office. Yeah, I don't want to... You want to own double A batteries. You want to own it. It's my double A battery. That's fair. I don't want...
Starting point is 00:47:30 I need that. By the way, I need that. I don't want the double A barriers that they have here. That's fair. I need that energizer, baby. That alkaline. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:47:37 But that's my shit. You come in here like the green and white double A barers that they got around this bitch I'm not fucking with. So wait, are you like really particular about your
Starting point is 00:47:44 double-A's? I'm telling you what I'm, what I'm fucking with right now is that Energizer Bunny shit. Because I'm not like, I used to be a
Starting point is 00:47:51 Dural Cell merchant but at this point, man, you go to Home Depot, man. Nah, I go Costco, get you to a hundred pack.
Starting point is 00:47:56 A hundred pack of that. Go for it. That's cool. Nah, we beating that motherfucking drum around this bitch. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:01 And I'm serious about it. Yeah. And honestly, I don't really like being questioned about it. Did Duracellette? Hold on. The reality is the energizer bunny, that's what I fuck with.
Starting point is 00:48:11 By the way, when I put gas in my shit, it's Chevron with Techron. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. That's what? I got to like that. Hold for a second. It sounds broken in here. Hold on for a second.
Starting point is 00:48:23 You was putting this in a Honda? It might, yeah. But see, this is this show. When you got the Honda, that's when you need the Techron. Right. So I'm definitely putting Techron in my shit. now, but when you got the Honda, that's when you need the tech run. Right. See, a lot of people,
Starting point is 00:48:41 they double down. They go, well, shit, my car ain't shit. Let me get the regular. So let me get the regular shit. That's not how you look at it. You know what I'm saying? Back when I was struggling with money, I would use the pure cocoa butter, the expensive stuff. Because my
Starting point is 00:48:57 wallet and my skin not going to be fucked up at the same time. Wow. Okay. You see what I'm saying? Somebody, something's got to get taken care of. On me, it's going to be premium. Hello, Ringer. Verse fans, I regret to inform you that due to the initiation
Starting point is 00:49:11 of Deep Shadow Protocol, this bit had to be edited out of the pod. I know. I'm just as disappointed as you are. Thanks as always for listening, and the Midnight Boys, PooPew, we'll get back to you shortly. It's coming back from Deep Shadow right now.
Starting point is 00:49:27 We're coming back from Deep Shadow right now. That's Deep Shadow. All right. That's Deep Shadow. Fuck that. That's absolutely Deep Shadow. No way. Let's get back to Gave a Throats real quick. You mentioned something earlier, and I've had this in my head. You were talking about Dunk being worthy, right?
Starting point is 00:49:44 Do you guys think that Dunk could wield Mulener? Hell no. What a great question. So, okay, let's not just give takes. Let's give informed takes. Okay. Yeah. What do we feel like it takes to be worthy?
Starting point is 00:50:02 Pure of heart. Pure of heart, yes. Standing up for the righteous. basically are you Captain America worthy? Are you a leader of men? Are you really going to sacrifice everything? Right. I don't think a leader.
Starting point is 00:50:17 I wouldn't say a leader. I mean, Captain America is. So is a prince. You got to like. So here's my thing. I would say yes. Because if Captain America can wield it and he lied to Tony about Tony's parents getting killed by his homeboy. That's after.
Starting point is 00:50:30 He couldn't wield it until after he can't clean it. No. No. In Avengers Age Ultron. Oh, yeah. He did. But he didn't. He couldn't.
Starting point is 00:50:37 No, he could have, but he didn't because he did. Like, canonically, he didn't put it up because he didn't want to embarrass it. No. He could not have picked up the hammer. I'm telling me, I'm telling you what happened. All right. I'm telling you what happened. He didn't want to embarrass me.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Okay. So. Yeah. Is this camera? Somebody look it up. So, wait. Hold on. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Hold on. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Is that true? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Who said that?
Starting point is 00:51:01 I believe it was Josh. I pretty much is Josh. I said that. Josh Whedon said, okay. I don't believe it's shit that he says. But also, but... Also, who do... I know he directed the movie,
Starting point is 00:51:09 but come on. Like, you can't be like, Captain America can actually... Like, I'm like... It is a bit of like a weaseling, like... I mean, you saw him... He buzzed it. I honestly don't think he could have picked it up.
Starting point is 00:51:20 But that's fine. Let's say that... Let's say that Captain America's been worthy in a club for a long time. Yeah. Let's say that he is. Like, it's not get caught up in midnight semantics here. So then, if that's the case,
Starting point is 00:51:32 then so bravery sacrifice. Because remember, bravery, bravery. Bravery sacrifice. Remember what happened for Thor, for Odin to make Thor worthy again. Yeah. Thor had to put somebody else in front of him.
Starting point is 00:51:44 Sure. Which Dunk has already done. Then there's courage. Mm-hmm. All right. Then there's, to me, a lack of cynicism. There's belief. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:51:55 And like, like we talked about it, service. So maybe, maybe he could. I think he could, but follow a question. Do you think Baylor, Baylor would be a more worthy candidate or no, he's too cynical.
Starting point is 00:52:08 I think the whole King, because even this whole thing this whole thing is happening because love Baylor. But Baylor could have went, he could have went, no. What he did was like, he could have. He could have went, no.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Like, what, like, I don't think, blah, blah, blah, it's fine. You'll live, everything going peace. He could have done that, but because he is the king, can't break with tradition in that way. So he still had to color within the lines. I think it's a, I'm leaning, yes,
Starting point is 00:52:42 but I think that there is a slight lack of self-actualization from Dunk. That, like, he has not achieved his final form yet to make him worthy of Milnear. Like, he absolutely has the qualities, but I think he needs a little bit more time in the oven. How old is Dunk? In the book, he's like
Starting point is 00:52:58 16, 17, but I think they aged him up here. I think something else to say, by the way. I think that I think that the hammer cheats for Thor What do you mean? What? What?
Starting point is 00:53:11 I think that I think that Thor is less worthy It's overall than other people. What do you mean about that? Thor is arrogant. Thor is foolhardy. He stays that way.
Starting point is 00:53:25 Thor is brave and all of that stuff like that. But like, there are other characters. Like, why can't Spider-Man pick up the hammer? Has there been moments for Spider-Man has? I'm talking about in this world.
Starting point is 00:53:36 In this, okay, sure. I'm like, why can't, like, Spider-Man is, you know, it's like, if you look at it. I don't think you can be plucky and pick up the hammer. I agree. Sure. But at the same time, what I'm essentially saying about Thor is there some home cooking with the fucking hamper. I think it's a one-time. The hammer's made for him.
Starting point is 00:53:53 It's his fucking hammer. It's a nepo. It's a nepo hammer. I mean, yes, but I also think, like, once you're worthy, then you're worthy. It's like, you know, it's like, hey, man, it's like, you can always, you can always cash it in. No, no, no, because there's so many times where he can't let the hammer in. Right, right. This is, right, but he was, there wasn't an enchantment, right?
Starting point is 00:54:12 Remember, their, like, his dad put the enchantment on, so he couldn't pick it up unless she was worthy. Right. Remember, in the end game, he goes back. He doesn't think he's worthy. Who? Thor, he doesn't think he's worthy. He goes out, he go back in time to the dark world. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:24 He doesn't feel worthy until he sticks his hands out and the hammer still comes. Even if you feel unworthy, the hammer still comes to you. That's not what I'm talking about. Like, he, he doesn't. It's more worthy. That's, that's, you're, you're talking about whether or not Thor feels worthy or not. You talk about the hammer, like, regardless. I'm talking about the fact that if we're talking about the fucking hammer and a hammer just reacting to how good you are,
Starting point is 00:54:49 Thor is very good, but Thor also is arrogant. Uh-huh. Or is also hard-headed. Thor is, like, like a bunch of stuff. So, like, kind of dings against his character. No, it's his fucking hammer. To the strength of, like. It's his hammer.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Right. The daddy gave him the hammer, enchanted the hammer. Honestly, what the dad really did was gave him the hammer, then tell Thor he was worthy. It's fucking basically, I'm going to be honest with you, it's like Skydance. They gave him that hammer and told him he was worthy. And then when dad get mad at Thor, he tell Thor, at least in the MCU, that you're not worthy no more. And then to your point, he takes the spell off the fucking hammer. He never takes a spell off the hammer.
Starting point is 00:55:29 He fucking whispered to the fucking hammer. Are you nuts? What are you talking about? In the Thor movie, he whispered to that fucking hammer and was like, fuck you. And then he threw a hammer to earth. Yeah. He didn't take the enchantment off. He put the enchantment on.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Well, what I'm saying, either way. What I mean is he put a spell on the hammer so Thor couldn't lift it. Right. Until he's worthy. Because otherwise, otherwise, the fucking hammer is for Thor. Okay? It's Thor's hammered. Right.
Starting point is 00:55:57 So Dad got involved. And even when he cried, to me, that tear means... Hammer, you're good again. Because if that's the case, why do we even show Oden? He was knocked out fucking cold. The king of taking naps, by the way. Why are we even show Oden? He's knocked out cold. Oden cries, to me,
Starting point is 00:56:16 the spell off the hammer, Thor is worthy again. Thor is a fake hammer. Whoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor. If you're not Thor. If you're Thor, you have to barely be worthy. If you're not Thor. Everybody else got to be grueled. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:33 But if you're Thor, you can fuck around a little. Well, Thor got the genetics. So it's like... It's his hammer. The hammer's only getting him so far. But if you're like Spider-Man, you got electricity powers now. I understand what you're saying in the sense of like, you got a thing of like, we don't let nobody touch this hammer.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Pause. Like, we got to like think about like real people, fictional people. It's like cap, optimus prime. That's it. Right. Like we don't let nobody. But did a vision wheeled hammer? Right.
Starting point is 00:57:02 Vision picked it up. That was bullshit. But he got the, you got the Cosmic Collar. Yeah, he got the Mindstone. And technically, Thanos picked it up and threw it around too. When?
Starting point is 00:57:11 In end game. He lifted it up and. Now, he didn't. Yeah. The hammer? Yeah. Me and they didn't. No, no, sorry.
Starting point is 00:57:18 It was the Stormbreaker. He did that. I don't got no in chat. There's no. There's no. My question being, caps in a room, Thor's in a room,
Starting point is 00:57:25 hammers on the ground. They both call for it. Who's a goal? It's going to Thor. It's going to Thor. It's going to Thor. You know what I mean? don't know that dude.
Starting point is 00:57:33 If you're Thor, I'd feel the type of way. I'm like, damn, I turn my term I had like once. I'm happy for Captain. Sure. He had to ask him. But that was the running gag and love and thunder, though. Give me.
Starting point is 00:57:43 Yeah. Right. That was a good gagging. The one guy was like, all for real. Stornbringer's like jealous and it like. Yeah. Like, that was when the movie became too much. I get it.
Starting point is 00:57:53 It's stupid, but it was funny. Nah, it's fucking ruined the shit. Okay. I do the, yeah, the level that Thor has to be at versus like his level of worthiness versus everybody else with level worthiness, I do understand that. I'm just saying,
Starting point is 00:58:06 I look at Thor do stuff and I'm like, like, for example, Thor joking, like, you're all not worthy. And like, the whole nine is like, that's Thor being a little arrogant and all that stuff. Cap actually was the humble. But our Asgardian worthiness, to me,
Starting point is 00:58:20 is different than human. Their scales are fucking different. Because, like, Thor, to us, he's an asshole. And Asgard, these motherfagerness and warriors and shit, these Game of Thrones motherfuckers and, like, there isn't a single person
Starting point is 00:58:31 to get a throids like. No. Outside of don't. Bro, even Oden himself, I could make an argument that Oden is not worthy. No, he's not. He can definitely pick up the hammer, Oden.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Oden is not worthy. Oden is taking over people. Oden is a fucking colonized. Don't get me started. You know what? In Ragnarov, you did the ceiling. All the painting on the condomsy. Who's the worst colonizer?
Starting point is 00:58:54 Hold on. Hold on. Hold on for a second. Just let you know. Do you know more proof in what I'm saying? Hello. She caught the hammer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:03 Oh, yeah. You know she's not worthy. But the reason why she could catch that bitch and do what she did do it. Because it's they fucking hammer. Well, she had magic. It's bad. They had to destroy Asgard together, man. Hammer is like the reason why they can do it, everybody, they probably got cousins that could pick the hammer.
Starting point is 00:59:21 Loki couldn't pick up the hammer. What? I guess Loki's not actually done. He's not their fucking family. Wait, after end of Loki season two, I feel like he might be worthy now. He might be able to pick the hell. Maybe. I mean, he controls all the time now.
Starting point is 00:59:33 Once again, last thing, that just shows you what a dick Oden really is. Yeah, Owen's ass. Right? But then you're not going to give him a hammer powers. No. You don't keep him on the outside. He don't get him of a bitch.
Starting point is 00:59:46 You like Catlin's start? Wow. Y'all brothers, we not really brothers. I know we're not brothers. That's why I'm taking this shit over with my frosty motherfuckers. I know we're not brothers. I look at it.
Starting point is 00:59:58 I look at it different now. Fuck it. At the whole thing. I look at the whole thing different. You can't watch Thor to say no more. I'm anti-thor. Everything. Team Heller.
Starting point is 01:00:09 I look at the whole thing different. They look at, man, she can wilt the hammer because they need to destroy Asgard to even like think about the hammer. It was her hammer first. That's like, that's why. It was her hammer first. She had the fucking hammer in her hand. But she wasn't worthy anymore by that time. She was fucking evil as fuck.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Who knows? They was doing unworthy shit that whole time. What are we talking about? Okay. So, okay. A penultimate is over. Stage is set. Everything's really happened, guys.
Starting point is 01:00:38 Everything's really happened. Okay. So what would be, in you guys' opinion, appropriate wrap-up of this story? We now have to set ourselves, we have to let the steam kind of come off of our story, but we also have to set ourselves forward. where we at?
Starting point is 01:01:02 I mean, we got to deal with Baylor, right? If Baylor is dead, then what does that mean for everybody else? What does that mean for Arian? What does that mean for Arian? What does it mean for Dary? Prince. Right. But, like, think about it.
Starting point is 01:01:16 You talked about, like, the Targaryian Civil War within this thing. Like, do they take, does Arian take accountability to take responsibility? Probably not. But I would like to see, like, what that means for the Targaryans going forward. It would be done like their literal crown prince, the guy who was supposed to, the prince of dragonstone who's going to take the crown died trying to save this hedge knight's life. This is where I think the show has the chance to like really level up. And by that I mean, I don't think that it's Dunk's turn to save the day with like being the good guy
Starting point is 01:01:49 and showing them their values of like, hey, don't still prosecute me. This was supposed to happen on all those things. but I think it's like the people that have been affected by Dunk, the like waves of support that he has from the people to be like, yes, he is free to be in his own charge or should he be knighted by the Targaryens and be put in their charge, like what he would possibly hope, what we might all hope, to just be a knight
Starting point is 01:02:18 and ride off into the sunset. But I think the main test is going to be, do Dunk's values and support, are they reflected in the world outside of him? Yeah, Dunk is a knight now And he is At least in my opinion
Starting point is 01:02:33 The only night That we've ever seen Created in the history Of Game of Thrones Besides Braun Because Braun No, wait Braun is knighted
Starting point is 01:02:43 By Tyrion Am I right about this? Oh sorry I thought you were saying Brian No Braun No brawn No, no Are we used he already a knight?
Starting point is 01:02:52 You're talking about Brian of Tarth? Talking about Braun The bronze Ron. Was Bron knighted? Was Braun knighted for the purposes of being the champion of Taryn? Or he was in a night before then?
Starting point is 01:03:06 I have no idea. It's fun to... Because he becomes Sir Braun. Sir Bronon. The Battle of the Blackwater. He was knighted after the Battle of the Blackwater. Night after Battle of Blackwater. So we saw him become a knight.
Starting point is 01:03:20 But really, for our purposes, the guy who we see really achieve his knighthood and like almost define it in this world it's dunk Hens nights to men Hens nights to men Dunk, Dunk is the guy who defines The boy band in Westeros
Starting point is 01:03:36 Hage Knights to Man Which is The fantastic The question now will be Because we haven't talked about Malad in this episode Will Egg Has Egg
Starting point is 01:03:48 Earned his squireship What happens with egg what happens with the family how do they the Targaryans how do they reconcile the death of Baylor if they do it at all like how many pieces are left to be picked up
Starting point is 01:04:06 and how do we pick up the pieces and then start ourselves on a one thing I'm interested in is I'm like dog Aryan he took like how do you take a L like that because like when they sing songs of him they like yo we got pieced up by a hedge night like you can't
Starting point is 01:04:22 can't go back to, like, the fucking... Real sad. Go back to Kings Landing? I don't know if we're going to hear from Aryan again. No, no, I'm not saying we are, but I was just, like, wondering. I was just like, he can't go to Kings Landing. Motherfogues, be like, dog, you can't beat a hedge night. No.
Starting point is 01:04:36 It ain't shit. Get the fuck out of you. Yeah. It's tough. He always knew he was sort of bitch. I mean, his dad is probably going to cuss him out for all this. I mean, his dad is probably... I wonder, like, Maker is one of the more interesting characters now because
Starting point is 01:04:52 He will mourn his brother. Yes. They did not, like, they didn't really, where Maker's plays and all it is now will be really interesting. It would be interesting to see how the whole family reacts to this. Yeah. But, I mean, Aaron, to me, is essentially like, be like Thor in a lot of ways.
Starting point is 01:05:10 Oh, my God. All right. Eric, let's wrap it up. Eric is not. I love Thor. That's nasty word. You do that. I do.
Starting point is 01:05:16 I love Thor. Don't put the names like that, bro. There's a lot of Thor disrespect on this podcast for no good reason. Can I fall, Thor, my bad, though. My best. I've been through a lot. Seriously, I'll just say, Thor, you've been through a lot. But sometimes I look at him, I'm like, you know,
Starting point is 01:05:29 he is kind of being not worthy-esque. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He is a single father, and we know how hard it is for single fathers in this world. If that don't make you worthy, I don't know what does. That's very true. That's very true. Wait, could he, what was her name, Love? Love.
Starting point is 01:05:43 Could Love pick up the fucking hammer? She'd definitely pick him up. Oh, yeah, she got the power house. Just let her fucking have Stormbreaker. Okay. It's like, let her half Stormbreaker. Like, because the worthy thing is kind of getting diluted. Oh, we're right now?
Starting point is 01:05:56 Huh? Women can't be wording now? Who are the worthy women in the MCU? Jane Foster? Jane Foster. Jane Foster's worthy. Yeah, there's so much blood on Black Widows' ledger. She could never be worthy.
Starting point is 01:06:06 She can never do it. Gamora King. Gamora, no way. Definitely not. Valkyrieary. I mean, she has Garland could be, Valcarii could be worthy. Captain Marvel came after she killed Autumn Cree.
Starting point is 01:06:16 No. Captain Marvel could be worthy. She's a war criminal. I feel like Scarlet Witch definitely could. Which definitely could, but not. What? What? Not for the wordy reason.
Starting point is 01:06:25 Let me finish. It's like, no, what you said was ridiculous. She could because she's fucking powerful, not because she's working on reasons that vision did. Cut this. That's a, that's a clip. That's the worst. Take ever.
Starting point is 01:06:43 Scrawler was kidnapped the 15. They let vision do it. We're working on that bullshit. Scrawler was trying to kill a child. All right. She took a whole town. Hold on. She took a whole town hostage.
Starting point is 01:06:53 Not even hurt a kid at me. Like, hold on. Hold on. She took a whole town hostage. Try to kill a child. Murdered the Illuminator. You don't think she could magic her way? I can to pick up the hammer.
Starting point is 01:07:02 The husband was literally the villain of a whole movie. Could she? That's a take. Could she magic her way to picking up the hammer? No. No. No. She can't pick the hammer up.
Starting point is 01:07:12 I guess Vision couldn't. I guess Vision couldn't. He actually had a mindstone. Vision a nice guy. Vision a nice guy. Vision a nice guy. Vision a nice guy. Vision and nice, that's different.
Starting point is 01:07:19 Is he worthy? Is he worthy? Is he worthy, though? Is he worthy? See how you crash it out? Like, you crash it out because you know you wrong. So, see how you crash it out? You're crashing out because you know wrong.
Starting point is 01:07:30 Hey, guys, you did. You guys think you guys think Red Skull could all the ham? Yeah, you think, Red Skull? Like, who else? Fucking Bucky Barreman. Right after he kills Tony Sparry. He's like, you know, you know, I think a whole, I think Killmonger. All right.
Starting point is 01:07:47 Wrap this shit up. That's a tough one right now. That's crazy. Oh, my God. Her black eyes dripping blood on the hammer. She was going to kill American Chavez. They were going to kill her. They went too far with that.
Starting point is 01:08:00 What? Yeah. They went too far with her. They went too far with Scarlet Witch, bro. Yeah, it's tough. I feel for Elizabeth Olson because, like, there's definitely a world where you have, like, a Scarlet Witch, like, he'll turn, but at the end of the day, she could still, like, come around and be, like, an Avenger or hero.
Starting point is 01:08:15 But there was like, no, it's going to leave you all the way to villain. And she's like, I don't want to do that. You think they're going to bring Elizabeth Olson back in the X-Mel movies? Not for a check, she's not. They got to do some real work to bring her back. She was mad at that movie. They definitely don't do no more immune and shit. I guarantee you.
Starting point is 01:08:30 No more mutants. All right. All right. You guys, a lot. Aalaya, shout out to Alleyer, man. Alea back there. Who else? Is anyone back there with you?
Starting point is 01:08:37 It's just Olaia. Alea doing it. Alea on the Laya, Alia is in there is by herself on the ones and two. Ask her how she's doing? DJ Alleya. How you doing? I'm living, bro. That's what the fuck I'm talking about.
Starting point is 01:08:49 I tell you who can pick the fucking hammer up. I'll tell you who's worthy. Motherfucking, Atlanta. Hell yeah. Crazy in this bitch. That's the fuck I'm talking about. All right. This is a wrap.
Starting point is 01:09:00 This week on the ring of verse feet on Sundays. Talk to throw those. That's one of the best crash outs. Sonny Jolla and Chris return to Westrose for a night of the seven kingdoms. Along with the House of R during their deep dives. More bloodmash coming soon. You guys, if you're not caught up on it, go play, go watch Fallout. I'm playing Fallout now.
Starting point is 01:09:18 You're playing fallout? How are you feeling out? Fallout 3. Three. Oh my. He told me to start with Fallout 3. By the way, I didn't realize the shit look janky because it's not on the right shit. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:09:29 I'm playing it, but it's old. The bitch is old. Yeah, it came out on the PS3. I don't like that. I don't like that type of thing. We'll just play Fallout 4 then. Well, that bitch is old too. Okay.
Starting point is 01:09:39 Yeah. So I'm just letting you guys know. When did Fallout 76 come out? Like five years ago? Whatever it is. So there's no, there's no fallout that's made specifically for. these systems. No, but they've like updated Fallout 4 to be
Starting point is 01:09:51 for present day consoles. So it works. It looks better. Because I'm playing Fallout 3 and it's up that bitch. Are you playing on the PS5? Yeah. Oh my God. That bitch is what the fuck you mean? I mean, I'm not playing anymore. I'm not playing anymore. Ben, it's over. Nope. See how fickle he is? You see how... You know, right.
Starting point is 01:10:07 You know, yeah, you told me a lot. Yeah, you know what? I'm going to YouTube deep dive about it. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Now, we clipping this out. Because there's not enough pain that a white woman can do. Right.
Starting point is 01:10:23 Not to be able to pick up the hammer. It's the same thing we go through every time. More button match coming soon. It doesn't work on the system. It doesn't look the same. I'm sorry. It's an older game. You can play Minecraft.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Minecraft. Yeah. Don't get them on Minecraft. He would love Minecraft. I want to play Fallout. I want it to look good. Our producers today are Aleas and there is Devin and join me at dinner on. hashtag should Jomey be worthy?
Starting point is 01:10:49 I definitely not. I think so. Should he though? I think he, I think he's worthy. I think he's worthy. I don't think he's worthy. I don't think he's worthy, but I can't see him in the Miles Morales. By Otis fade?
Starting point is 01:11:02 By Otis. Why they do us like that? Y'all laughing. That's not funny. That's great. That's so. Why do we get, why do we, why do we, why do we, what does that happen to us? Why can't we just be, why can it be regular?
Starting point is 01:11:17 So, you know, okay, but then there's that, but there's also, I saw a tweet the other day, and it's Miles and Cap Falcon. Oh, dapping up, dabbing up. And he's like, oh, what's up, my boy? Hey, good to see you, my boy. And the quote to me was, I can't let him say the N-word, man. I'm like, yeah, like, instead of my boy, what's something like, you know? Who would say it to who?
Starting point is 01:11:34 Cap would say it to Miles. Cap would call Miles the inward? Sam Wilson. Oh, no, that's cool. Yeah. I fuck with that. You see. But I'm like, I actually, no, because that's all it's going to be.
Starting point is 01:11:45 Because my thing is, like, who's right in it? That's where I'm at. Like, who's late? It's not like, I don't want no Tarantino in my black superheroes. But here's the thing. What happens if, like, Sam Wilson tries to call, like, Tachala, my nigga? He's like, no, no, no, no. Oh, Tachala.
Starting point is 01:12:00 Tachala. Tachala. Tachala. Tachala. I don't say the N-word? I don't think Tachala says it. Not only just Tchala, not say the N-word. I don't think Tachala says it.
Starting point is 01:12:09 He definitely get offended when you call him the N-Ward. I think Tachala, if you, I think that if you refer to Tachala as an N-word, he would give you a whole fucking soliloquy bottle. Is he doing the Wapitoy? For 400 years. Yeah, he's going to, the whole. Is he Spike Lee? Does he hate, like, does Chala hate hip-hop?
Starting point is 01:12:25 He's like, nah, I can't fuck with that. I don't think it's that deep. I don't think it's that far. I don't think he fuck with him. I think Tchala only listen to T-D. God! He don't, no, Dreamville? You know, I don't listen to that.
Starting point is 01:12:39 Tchala. Tachala only listen to T-D-E. Wow. Tchala listen to Tidee. Okay. Tachala fucking with Kendrick. But I know that's P.G. Lange. Shout out to everybody.
Starting point is 01:12:47 But he's fucking with that whole family. But if you try to throw on some QC, some old no limit. Some y'all not fucking with that. He's not talking to that. He's not fucking with it. Sure he is. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:59 Sure he listened to the whole fucking thing. Well, he's not listening to from the bed. You're not listening to some E-40. He definitely listened. Some too short. Yeah, too short. Tachala? Chachala's a favorite word.
Starting point is 01:13:10 I'm listening. Listening to motherfucking two short. Too short is for the real ones. I don't think Tachala fucking with that. I think that Tachala's going to feel weird when the two short pops on. I think that he will. Y'all see, y'all, a lot of the two short y'all know.
Starting point is 01:13:23 I know the two short from the 90s. And, I mean, he short never changed, what I'm saying? I don't think Chachala listen to that. I think Chala judges us, man. Shuri for sure let the N-word fly. Shuri, oh, I think Tachala is different. I think Tachala is kind of like an Obama.
Starting point is 01:13:40 Yeah. Yeah. They'd be like that. Where is it? Jennifer Anderson. And Camille. Oh, why? We were so close.
Starting point is 01:13:50 We were right about to get out of here, man. Man, show was about to end. Why? Why? Who would the MCU could be Black Panther, Jennifer Anniston? Ooh. Probably actual Jennifer Anderson. No, because I'll tell you what,
Starting point is 01:14:08 I think, bro. If you blackpenter and you show up with your Are you got to have the barbell on there. Crazy. You can't go back. We're going to kill you. You're going to be? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:14:20 What? Forrestfield? I mean, post-storm? I wouldn't condone the behavior, but I'd understand. Well, that would be crazy. That would be crazy, though. Additional production for Osama Gapal. Oh, what happened to this?
Starting point is 01:14:35 Man, Steve said that's gonna wish community. No, we just lost the plot. It was before that. It was before that. It was before that. It went to go get your Instagram. That's probably it Yeah,
Starting point is 01:14:42 but it was like the whole hammer thing I crashed out on Thor Steve came with the take of 2026 Yeah The Scarlet Witch
Starting point is 01:14:52 You could pick up the hammer Y'all think By Odin's fate Y'all think Tom Cruise A collateral could wield a hammer Freddy Kruger You think
Starting point is 01:15:03 Haas from the Predators You think the Predator Can do it? Chuck Take us out so you get in Brack
Starting point is 01:15:10 Fuck, bro Allay is worthy Alley Van is rich And if Steve Nees his hammer picked up He's calling He's calling
Starting point is 01:15:20 He's coming What you're doing You want chat GBT Right now? Why do you like chat GBT Why do you do this to me? What do you mean? Yes
Starting point is 01:15:42 This is a step You know what I'm saying You can't be like Hey yo chat GBT You know What was the last time The Lakers won the championship And now people can't
Starting point is 01:15:51 People are dying Those dumb ass videos are kind of funny, but if I didn't know that they cost like 20 gallons of water each, then I'd feel bad. I can't, I can't do it, man. Yeah, I can't,
Starting point is 01:16:01 I can't use it. I can't use it. Even Geminii piss me off. When you Google some and the first thing is that like, oh, here's a little. I'm like, bro, give me to the, but you kind of use it sometimes when you're in a rush. Give me to the sources, man.
Starting point is 01:16:14 Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you're in a rush, but you're like, you just, you just got to hope and pray that that's accurate. Yeah, true. You just got to like shoot from the hip, man.
Starting point is 01:16:20 Hopefully that, you know, the AI and mess me up because now you're crazy on that shit and I'm like this wrongest I know that's wrong I'm gonna ask chat GPT Jomi says Joe's like it's gonna know who Jomey is There's a family
Starting point is 01:16:34 There's a family of Memphis right now The Midnight boys are? Yeah Bami says you use too much water Are you kidding me? I bet Vans chat GVT knows exactly who all of us are So there's a family in Memphis
Starting point is 01:16:47 who can't drink water Because you just did that right now Um Just pour this out Chat GBT, GBT Zee said, tell Jomi this. I do use water to wash my hands of bad takes.
Starting point is 01:16:58 What? Efficiency isn't about volume is about results. Also, if I weren't worth it, he wouldn't be talking about me. If you want a cleaner version, a message version. If you want a cleaner version.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Or a podcast ready clapback, say the word. Okay. Hey, Chad, BBT, how about this? I hope you die. This is like when you raise a child and they talk just like their parents. This is when ChachyBT is raised by Van Lathen. It says,
Starting point is 01:17:27 tell Jomi I use water the way champions use Gatorade excessively and with purpose. What? What is that even mean? I'm not worth it, cool. Then stop checking the bill. Stop saying my name and stop enjoying the heat and the shower you didn't pay for.
Starting point is 01:17:40 If water uses just the line, that's crazy because the only thing I'm actually wasting is his time thinking about me. And if conservation is his cost, he should start by saving his. breath. What the fuck up, preservation is this cause.
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