The Ringer-Verse - ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ Season 1 Finale Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

The Boys are back, and they’re ready to dive into the highly anticipated Season 1 finale of ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’! (0:00) Intro (8:09) Spoilers ahead (9:50) ‘A Knight of the Se...ven Kingdoms’ Season 1 finale reactions (41:14) Midnight Meter (1:00:39) Outro Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Producers: Aleya Zenieris and Devon Baroldi Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopowell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:55 Kind of, yeah. Welcome to the Ringiverse. This is the Ringers' Nexus podcast feed for all things fandom. Steve, the architect, Alman. Join me the Explaner at dinner on. Old Man, Van, here, the receding resurgent, hairline, coat, baby Chuck. Together, we are known as. Out of midnight, boys.
Starting point is 00:02:10 Okay, found some socials. Insta, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. We're on YouTube. Like, comment, subscribe. Okay. We're not going to get into this. Oh. Although we should just touch on it real quick.
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Starting point is 00:03:01 On Friday, Buttmatch returns. With Resident Evil Requiem reactions, what the fuck is that? That's a new one. It's a new game? Yeah. They're killing zombies still. Is it zombies where Resonies? It's infected.
Starting point is 00:03:13 It's an umbrella corporation. It's working on a new movie. Oh, very special. You all watch them a call with the Crack. from weapons going to be the main star. Oh, I'm excited. Exactly. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Okay, cool. Also, keep locking into House of Ours, Night of the Seven Kingdom Deep Dives. Yeah. Talking about the show. Some kinds of things are going on in the show. It's like, it's reanimated the Game of Thrones community. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Jomi was on there, Steve was on there complaining about the play. You don't like the play? You don't want him to do the play? You don't want George R. Martin to do the play. You hate the play. It's more of, it's more of the distraction emporium that is. generated from one George R. Martin outside of books.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Stop hating on that old man. Let him do his shit. You know what's funny? It shows you like this is what I like. I like this because a month ago, Steve berated me for saying
Starting point is 00:04:06 that when I go to a musician's concert that I deserve to actually hear the songs that I paid to hear. They don't owe you that. However, You are a complete contradiction with J. J.R.R. Martin.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Aramara. Arrara. He was in his twilight years and doing stuff that he likes. All right. Let's not do it. Except finishing the books. Twilight years is crazy.
Starting point is 00:04:31 You know, he got some years. I'm more so a fan of the bit at this point. How could you? Based upon what you said on the other podcast, admonish me. But like, how could you with what you said? It was really wrong what happened on the other pod. And now you're admonishing me.
Starting point is 00:04:45 I'm just saying, like, shout on Martin, but you be like, like, This old-ass nigger is, why like years? Excuse me. Excuse me. I apologize to Georgia R. Martin. Many more. I really mean that.
Starting point is 00:04:55 I apologize. What I'm saying is he's giving a lot. Yes. You're saying he can't go do a play. Hold on. Because you want him to do wins of winter. It is a direct contradiction. There's almost no intelligent rebuttal that you can give.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Okay. You're a hypocrite. I'm giving a personal rebuttal. It's more so the fact that I don't necessarily have a dog in this fight for the winds of winter. I'm just more fun, a fan of the bit that, Instead of making winds of winter, this man is doing literally anything else. So you talk shit and you don't care. That's the difference between you and I.
Starting point is 00:05:25 No, I just think it's funny. Everything that I say I care about very deeply. Okay. George R. Martin apologized to him. He wants to do a play. And he's entitled to do so. He got to finish the books, man. No, he doesn't.
Starting point is 00:05:36 He doesn't actually have to. And that's the thing. I'm with you, Van. Actually, I think he does. But I'm just saying that you guys aren't. No, I would be mad if I was like a Game of Thrones head. He never finishing them books. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:05:47 And that's fine. And it really is fine. And the people are going to be stupid for like the rest of time. It's just funny to me that like he's putting so much work into so many other things. If I was George R. Martin, you know what I would do? I wouldn't finish the books. But then I would like, I would like tap somebody really off kilter to finish him. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:05 And like, and do whatever you want. And it's also. And it's also. And it's also. And I would be like, hey. Colleen Hoover. No, excuse. If you had to draft the worst people.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Colleen Hoover is an amazing pick. Wait, wait. Who's the like the, like, the, like. Who's the worst people? Oh my God, like Dan Brown? Like James Finchie Cohnass? I'm not way different to that. James Patterson?
Starting point is 00:06:24 If I was him, I would come out and be like, hey guys, great news. Winds of Winter is going to be finished. But bad news is I'm not going to be writing it. I have an artist that I really trust that it's going to finish Winds of Winter that's going to write the book. And I hope that you guys are into the saga
Starting point is 00:06:44 of a song in the Ice and Fire of Ice and Fire finishing. here's Steve Bannon. That's what I would do to you. Is he a writer like that? Oh, yeah, no, he is a writer like that. Here's Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon is going to finish the song of Project 2025. Who's the one dude who like was upset?
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Starting point is 00:07:18 of a night of the Seven Kingdom and if you thought they didn't land the plane you don't know anything about fucking aviation That's a bar unfortunately Because they landed the plane and we're in the fucking hangar We're sleep we're having some yo play We're in the hangar YoPlayed yeah it's good taste good
Starting point is 00:07:33 We're in like weird It doesn't matter I'm not eating yo-playing I mean I like strawberry You guys don't like yo play He doesn't like yo play yoga You kids bother me Who's you guys? So yo play yogurt is not good
Starting point is 00:07:45 It's not good pigeon food Pigeon food Yo-play yogurt is pigeon food. What kind of you like? I'm not a big yogurt family. Well, they shut the hell up there. What do you know about yogurt? You don't like any yogurt.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Yol play yogurt is delicious. I've been eating this sausage child. You want this? You want this? You want to eat d'an-eat animals? No, I want to eat none. I don't know what the fuck that is. Yon-dimal?
Starting point is 00:08:07 What's that? Danyam's yogurt. No, I never eat it. Gogar? Gorg. No, I never had it. You were that yogurt? I never had gogur.
Starting point is 00:08:15 I also eat the Greek yogurt. What was it? a Greek yogurt. What's it called? I eat that shit. What? The Greek yogurt is fucking crazy. I'm not a fan of Greek yogurt.
Starting point is 00:08:26 I used it to maranays. I don't eat green yogurt. Were you like in the like dunkerous and stuff like that? Nah. Really? Didn't have it around. Not for me. They didn't have dunkaroos around.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Maybe they did. I didn't eat them. The first thing that I remember that was like pre-packaged for kids was like the luncheables. They thought we thought that they had been a fire. Oh my. The lunchebles is fire. You went to school for a field trip.
Starting point is 00:08:45 A little pizza. And you had to luncheables. on you, you was un-touching. The crazy thing is I'm like, we was eating the fucking dried cracker. Like, you're supposed to pop that in, warm it up. Is that true? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:55 What? You were supposed to microwave it. Oh, the pizza. Yeah, the pizza. You're supposed to microwave the shit. I never heard that before my life. I ate it cold every time. You eat it cold, but like, you could, like, you're supposed to like warm it up.
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Starting point is 00:11:07 Run a spoiler, please. Spoiler. We're getting ready to talk about... Nice to something. You're listening to a... reaction podcast. The spoilers are coming. Before we can talk about
Starting point is 00:11:32 this episode, Midnight Manifest, only guy who can do that here, Chuck Lack. All right, this is your Midnight Manifest for the Night of the Seven Kingdom season finale, the Moro, directed by Sarah Edina Smith. Sir Lionel offers to take Dunk with him to Storm's end and treat him like a brother, but the wounded night refuses. At Baylor's funeral, Dunk apologizes
Starting point is 00:11:50 to his son, Valar, but the bitter prince questions, why the gods will leave the lowly Hedge Knight alive while taking his father. Prince Maker calls Dunk to his quarters and the two men have a tense conversation about the aftermath of the battle and the death of Baylor. Makor asked Dunk to be ex-squired, but the Hedge Knight refuses. Dunk catches egg spying and tells a young word he can't give the boy what he wants. Dunk has a flashback of Sir Arlen, where he finally confronts his mentor about why he would
Starting point is 00:12:13 never knight him. Our guy ponder is that maybe Sir Arland thought that the boy would abandon the old man. Prince Darren asked Dunk to let egg squire for him, afraid that the boy will turn out like Arian. This prophecy comes true real quick when Egg almost knifes the wounded Aryan, but is caught by his father. Dunk returns to Makar and says he'll take Egg with him, but he has to follow the simple life he did when he was training under Sir Arlen, but Maker refuses. But an unbeknownst to dunk, Egg decides to sneak away from his father and Squire under his hero nonetheless, and the duo ride off into the Dorn Sunset. And that has been your midnight manifest for a night of seven kingdoms. I will start with
Starting point is 00:12:47 you, Van. What did you think of this season finale? So, In perfect Game of Thrones form, the penultimate was the high of the season in terms of the drama, and then the finale tied it up in a bow, and it did it with breathtaking, breathtaking efficiency. Yep. Great. Every story tied up, every new journey, should I say, out there left with a lot of wonder. And this finale was also able to do something else. remember how I had said in the last episode
Starting point is 00:13:24 that the show became Game of Thrones Classic Game of Thrones in the middle there with some of the battles, some of the viciousness and all of that. The finale reoriented the show back to its operating point from the beginning.
Starting point is 00:13:41 It got you right back to this intimate retelling with comedy, with heart, with hijinks, even with the literal bruises and wounds. Yeah. From the three or four episodes prior still on the characters. Really, more like two.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Episode like on the characters. You can see what they've been through, but you're in the same world. I thought it was great. No, I think they did an amazing job. I love this episode. And to your point, I think especially in later season... I love niggas.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Especially in later seasons of Game of Thrones. I think it was a very... very hard for them to reorient themselves away from the viciousness, where it was just like it constantly was just increasing, increasing. And it almost got very difficult to watch. And what I think I loved about this so much is like this show proved that they could do brutality, but that it could come back to something a little bit more heartwarming. But also feel like, yo, dunk has changed.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Egg has changed. The journey has changed them. It has hardened them. But I didn't feel like the show had become like stone. and had become vicious, and that's what I really enjoyed. Now, interesting that they weren't hardened. When they're talking at the end of the show, I love the way it ended.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Actually, the Nine Kingdoms. No, fucked my head up, too. Yeah, I had to, like, I literally caused. And I pulled up a map. I was like, no, no, no, no. So these motherfuckers in Westrose can't count with this whole fucking time. Fucked my head up too. And not of the Nine Kingdoms doesn't have as much of a ring to it.
Starting point is 00:15:19 I get it, but anytime we're talking about the kingdoms, as we talk about seven. So dunk feels dumb, but actually we're kind of all dumb. Interesting little thematic point there. We don't know as much about this world as we think we didn't. So the show ends with us,
Starting point is 00:15:38 like reconsidering the most fundamental thing about the show, which is that there are seven kingdoms. Yeah. So it's kind of interesting dramatically right there for you to have come from an adventure that you didn't know was possible in Game of Thrones and for the show to kind of leave you on the question
Starting point is 00:15:57 about whether or not you know as much about this stuff as you think that you do. You don't know. Something so fundamental you don't know. So there's also more for you to learn. It's a deeper, wider Game of Thrones world out there that you might not be considering. Say this also, though.
Starting point is 00:16:15 It's like, you know, I came to care about a lot of these characters, even the villainous ones, more than I thought that I would. Yeah. Presbycard, I was... Macarre is amazing. Like, just the tragedy
Starting point is 00:16:30 that he has to live with now, which is the death of his brother at his hands, the... People will say I did it on purpose. People will say I did it on purpose. The relationship between his sons, when he comes over,
Starting point is 00:16:44 when he sees Egg, about to either... He's gonna either kill him or cut his nuts on. Or you didn't come out, right? When he sees... When he sees... When he sees his... him about to do that to Aaron, he comes over and he just places his hands on his son's shoulders, he almost submits to the scene. He doesn't, like, cast dominance over it. What are
Starting point is 00:17:03 you doing? You're crazy. That's your brother. He almost submits to the fact that this is really fucked up. And the only thing he can do in that scene is be a dad. I mean, even before that scene, just the shot of Egg looking at himself in the mirror and you see. He's terrified. He's terrified. He's scared, and then it's the perfect cut of the knife. And I think it's like shout out to that young actor. He's like just a masterclass and just like child actors. It's so difficult to find a good one. And like just being able to transition from like not being plucky,
Starting point is 00:17:36 but definitely being the innocent, very joking character to someone where you're like, oh, there's a darkness in him and I believe it. I just thought was, yeah, it was amazing. He also, you know what? He got a big fucking head. yeah you got that cayou head yeah he got a big fucking head
Starting point is 00:17:55 he a ang hitted ass nigga right he got a big fucking he'll grow into it but yeah maybe he won't you think he's just gonna say that size could be breaking balls maybe he's a breaking bald kids a
Starting point is 00:18:09 a country mile too and then oh no you guys are missing somebody who we're missing the motherfucking golden child I put the golden child Eddie Murphy's golden child? I put the golden child
Starting point is 00:18:22 ahead of Ang. As a matter of fact, I put the golden child, I put the golden child as the number one blonde heir to the future power kid ever. Best chosen one child?
Starting point is 00:18:36 Best chosen one child. I put him ahead of Ang and all of these other. The golden child. I want the nice. The golden child, I put him ahead. More than Anakin?
Starting point is 00:18:45 He's a blonde-headed. Was he bald? He was never bald? He was never bald. He was never bald. No. Oh, he had the rat tail. The rat tail was terrible.
Starting point is 00:18:51 By the way, also, don't compare my heroes to the genocidal maniac that is Anakin Skywalker. Okay, but to you guys' point, watching him go through that and then, interesting, he sees the hair coming back. We're jumping around here.
Starting point is 00:19:10 We're not giving you guys chronologically. I know something about Ben Lindberg. I'm doing these recast with Ben Lindberg. Ben goes in order. Ben is great. Watch flutting. listen to Budmash. I guess you can't watch it.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Listen to it. Okay, cool. Listen. He sees the hair growing back. The hair going back is the manifestation of the Targaryian mutation, which is the fact that you are this fucking terrible, evil, violent person. And you would have thought that seeing the hair growing back would have given him pause. No.
Starting point is 00:19:44 He submits to it. Yep. Right now. Like in this, in this, in this show. Egg keeps doing stuff. He keeps going places. And then somebody pulls him back. Like he submits to it.
Starting point is 00:19:58 After he sees it's growing back, he kind of goes, this is what I am. So let me go get the knife and kill my brother because I'm never going to be anything more than that. That's why when his brother is talking to dunk, that conversation has so much weight because he's saying, listen, you think that we're born this way, we're not.
Starting point is 00:20:17 We're made this way. And he has a chance to not be that. Yeah. And it's on serious, I will say, I did laugh at the mirror scene when, like, dung's egg, like hair was, I mean, egg's hair was growing back because he did look like Cisco a little bit. Dragon. Oh, wow. The dragon.
Starting point is 00:20:33 I was like, yo. I was trying to tell y'all, Cisco is a Targary. Cisco is not a Targary. He got the fuck. He unleashed the dragon. I love him. No, no. No, I'll be honest with you.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Cisco, I can make an argument that Cisco was on this. this dragon shit because them books came out, he might have been influenced by this. Because Cisco is a Targaryen. Like, Cisco could finish wins of winter. Cisco must finish wins of winter. Cisco has a Targaryen. He got the hair.
Starting point is 00:21:01 Yeah. The silver hair. He got the hair. And he is the dragon. He hangs out with a dragon. He could do flips. He could fight. He killed Godzilla.
Starting point is 00:21:11 He killed Godzilla. He's like thongs. They probably. I would hope so. Wait, were thongs created back in Westeros at that time? I don't think they was wearing drawers like that. They definitely weren't wearing drawers. They have different.
Starting point is 00:21:19 I mean, they didn't have no underwear? Remember when she lifts up her skirt and she shows him, which is one of the, you know, I like that scene. So remember when she did that? That shit is, oh, fuck y'all. You like, y'all act like the shit. That shit was, that was wrong. You can only be you, man. You can only be you.
Starting point is 00:21:34 But, but, like, Cisco is a Targary. Why can't we contend with that? No, I like that. I like that. I'm with that. Cisco is a Targary. Come on, man. Okay, he's a Targary.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Cisco. What these bitches want from a nigger? This is going to be, because, you know, we're going to talk about some other you tours, but I don't mind when the Targaryians are like white. I don't mind. Oh, you don't want them to be black. That's why you don't want to be black. You don't want to be black. You don't want to be black. You don't want to see us right
Starting point is 00:22:00 dragons. They want to see us ride dragons. I think that's like, I'll look at like the fucking... We used to ride drag guys. Let's fucking move on. I think the scene that was the most affecting for me was... I like this. So there's like back to back. And this is like just goes to the magic of the show.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Lionel Barathean and Dunker. having a little argument about like him coming to storms and whatever. It ends and then Lion Barathans goes, I'll see you at the roast. And then cut to funeral pyre. Cut to the funeral pyre. Very funny. Really funny. But the conversation, and this happens to the book between Valar, who is Baylor's son and Dunk.
Starting point is 00:22:40 And Dunk, it's like, I'm going to go to the funeral. I'm going to show my respects. Bad idea. Because when it's over, Valar is like. like, you know how many sons? Sons are supposed to die in their father's armor. How many fathers die in their son's armor? And Dunk is like,
Starting point is 00:22:59 Dunk wants to be a good person. He wants to be there for Valar. And Valar's like, get the fuck out of here. Be gone. And he's so alien to this world still, because the moment that he's still thrust back into this family drama and these squabbles about family, he's just like, he doesn't, he's at a loss for everything. He doesn't want to be involved with any of It just, but it just goes to show his,
Starting point is 00:23:21 how naive he is. Yeah, right? Dunk. Dunk. Yeah. Like, I understand. His fucking dad. Like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:23:29 There's a cost. I like that scene because a lot of times in these shows, y'all know how I feel about this. In these shows where everything that the hero has done, we don't actually care about it because as long as the hero gets to the end. Hero kills 75 people because they brainwashed. Hero gets unbrainwashed. And then we go, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Don't like it At least got to go serve 16 months In Danbury Minimum Security prison You gotta go do sometime I'm sorry You hear that bucket I can't believe y'all I'm saying I was like fuck you
Starting point is 00:24:01 Like all these blah Man he's dad died His dad died His dad is still up for you Whoa whoa whoa How did save smoke for your fucking uncle I didn't swing the mace God damn
Starting point is 00:24:14 He probably does happen for him But he's talking to dunk Yeah He's like if you wouldn't have come along with all of your I'm just gonna be the brother I wanted to be a night
Starting point is 00:24:21 Is your fucked up family who started this shit? Eric, even when Makeart like, he was talking a little spicy I'm like, hey, bro,
Starting point is 00:24:30 you swung the mace. It was Joe ain't shit kid but he also has But he literally was like and I'm gonna have to live with that the rest of my life there will not be a second don't better than me
Starting point is 00:24:41 I'd be like man fuck this man No, but he's also got the horsey That would have been dope because if you would say back to me I'd have took my sword out and be like
Starting point is 00:24:47 Oh bitch you won't do this Like, you know what? Talk shit after my fucking dad died in the middle of your bullshit. Like, you know what, talk shit? I'd have shot him in his head with an arrow. Speaking of the funeral, my dog, Eager had that thing on, bro.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Yeah, he was driven out. He was, he's going to put this hat on, bro. He can't see you with no ball fame. The Great Barrette. Put the beret on. They said all to her, they said, their boy looked like a black panther. I was crying.
Starting point is 00:25:12 All right. My father was only 9 and 30. He had it in him to be a great king. The greatest king is Egan on the drive. Why would the gods take him and leave you? Be gone with you, Sir Duncan. Be gone. Not only did you cost me my father.
Starting point is 00:25:27 You cost the realm a transcendent king. And for what? So you could become a knight and walk around and do all this crazy. Fuck that attitude. We're now a part of your story. You better make it work. Become a knight, guys. All right.
Starting point is 00:25:44 All right. But to Donk's point, I am a little bit like, hey, why do I? Why do I gotta lose a fucking hand in a foot. Like, God damn. Like, can I live? My fault. My fault. Look, take my dad so you can keep your hand in your foot.
Starting point is 00:25:59 That's the deal we're going to make. But that's the difference. Hey, yo, control your kids. If I'm done, I'd be like, control your kids. Okay? Whose kids? They didn't do nothing. He didn't do nothing.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Like, literally, I don't, what are you all right now? Like, literally, the kid, the purest victim in the whole shit is, hey, law. The purest victim. He did nothing wrong. He did nothing wrong. He came out there for a tournament. Beilow was probably like, hey, man, we go out there,
Starting point is 00:26:24 a tournament, you know, might be a couple of peasant girls out there you could talk to if you can. You know, don't use your power on them. But if they like you, you like them, whatever, whatever. So he goes out there. Well, I mean, you know, I don't know what happens.
Starting point is 00:26:34 I don't know how it goes. I don't know how. You've never been to a tour anymore. I don't know how, as the prince, you observe, because people got to do what you say, you probably need to be like, you don't have to do this,
Starting point is 00:26:43 but like maybe still feel, whatever. Okay, it's a very controversial. So look, they're going out there, they're having a good time. Okay. And they're just supposed to go out there and watch. Maybe get involved, right? His dad takes up arms for Dunk because Dunk is out there doing some shit ain't supposed to be doing. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:59 He's lying. First of all, Dunk lies. Lies. He's lying to everyone talking about here at night. He's not a night. Which was confirmed. In the books, it's not like actually. In the book, never confirmed.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Confirmed. Lie. He lied. He lied. He lied. He lied. So he was supposed to. His lies caused lies.
Starting point is 00:27:13 He was supposed to. Homegirl, right? No, he wasn't, but what I'm saying is... Dunk got lied on by what's his name? All of it. I get it. But Dunk's whole deal, being there, messing around, being a part of the adventure and all of that stuff, it costs him his dad's life. So to me, I understand him being like, hey, you know what?
Starting point is 00:27:30 I'm sure you're a great guy. Fuck out of here. I appreciate you. We wouldn't have been that nice. It was like, hey, man, get out of my face with him. Yeah, my dad made his own decision, but guess what? Yeah. You got to go.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Okay? You got to go. Take your tall ass and get out of my face. Go, right. Go ride the fucking horse. So he would not be down with Makar's decision to have him train at arms and Squire egg.
Starting point is 00:27:51 I mean, maybe he would. But if I was him, I'd be looking for something. Get back. Right. Okay, I'd be looking. I would. I would put hands on dunk. If you're done,
Starting point is 00:28:00 what he? If I was Valar, I would want to put hands on dunk. No doubt about it. What? I would want to put hands on Dunk. That's insane. If I was Valar,
Starting point is 00:28:07 I would have an ax to grind against dunk. It's not Doug's fault. It's not Doug's fault. It's not Doug's fault, bro. to grind against Dunk. My family came up here, was fucking wilding, didn't know how to fucking act. Everybody's fucking lying on, everybody else.
Starting point is 00:28:23 And now my daddy's dead behind y'all dumb shit. No wonder he said fuck all this and just went off on the road. Like, no. Like, come on, bro. I think the big idea of this episode, I think the thing that's going to stick with me the most is the confirmation that Dunk is not a night, right? Do you like that choice?
Starting point is 00:28:41 I do because... Oh, he's a knight now. Yeah. No, but revealing before because when he was denied it. Yeah, he hadn't been knighted. I like it because we have there, there's a scene that's been going around in the original Game of Thrones series where it's like Sir Duncan the tall has four pages in the Kingsguard.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Must have been extraordinary. Must have been some knight, right? And we found out that this person who, I mean, before this show, the Game of Thrones knew him as virtuous, as somebody who stands up for the innocent, who does all the things a knight, could do and the whole foundation is based on a lie. So what does it mean to be the perfect night when the,
Starting point is 00:29:21 the foundations of your story are based in, in lies? Well, that's the thing, though. Like, I don't think that Dunk is the type of person that perpetuates a lie on himself. He wishes to be a night and he presents himself as such because that's what he went. Hold on. In episode, he went, there was like, are you, yeah, I got knotted. There was a robin that witnessed it.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Right. Like, it's cap. It's flat out cap. Straight line. Yes. But when, when, when you say, when he goes to Penitry in the flashback scene
Starting point is 00:29:47 and he's asking why he doesn't night him why do you think that Arlenna of Penetree didn't night him? Because he didn't give a fuck about nighting him. Why and why is that? I don't think that that was I don't, I, what I read into their relationship is that
Starting point is 00:30:02 Dunk consistently Dunk thinks that this is something that it's a little, that there's a little bit more formality to it than Penitree does. Right. So Dunk looks at this first of all I'm not sure that penny tree was ever nighted right he he named himself like after the tree sure right so so I'm not so I think if I'm being serious what their relationship and really the entire show is litigating is the idea of honor the idea of knighthood
Starting point is 00:30:38 dunk is lied about being knighted but he's not lying about being a knight yes because what earned him his knighthood was actually doing what knights do right whereas the rest of the show had people who had been knighted but would not meet that moment. It had people
Starting point is 00:30:57 who had actually had the thing done to them the whole nine, all the formality of it but they actually didn't stand up for the week. They were arrogant, they were self-centered they didn't have any chivalry even the Kingsguard dude that was the
Starting point is 00:31:13 crabbing guy. Nepo night. Nepo night, right? Dunk came away from that thinking, oh my God, this is around where anything is possible. I can become, no, he got it because his family is rich. Dunk actually knighted himself, and he knighted himself by taking the values of a knight and putting him inside of his body.
Starting point is 00:31:34 However, there was a decision for him to lie, for him to say that he was something that he wasn't. And he ends up through his actions making himself that thing. So if I knew that, I would be like, yo, like, you got to, the least you could do is go make me a sandwich. He should have come to it with him with one of them egg sandwiches and said, and broke it off and been like here. I know your dad is dead because of me. But, but I know that your father passed away. That's almost more insulting. I know your father passed away, but look, I made a delicious egg sandwich for you.
Starting point is 00:32:11 And I want you to feel nourished because, you know, who can't. nourish you and give you life lessons in your dad. Because he's fucking dead. And it's my fault. Tough. You guys go going to Storm Zen? With Lionel? Hell yeah. You guys going to Storms in? I mean, it'll be a great party but. Don't trip in. Well, like, Sir Lionel was like, y'all
Starting point is 00:32:27 I mean, it's the best choice out of the two. Yeah, like, come on. He didn't even have a plan. Like, that was when Dunk was depressed, I was like, all right, don't make any big sweeping decisions. Like, take, because like Sir Lionel would have paid him, blah, blah. He's going to Dorn. He only, he don't know nobody in Dorn. He knows nobody in Dorn. He knows one person.
Starting point is 00:32:42 He's looking. Come back a little girl, girl. No, I mean, his thing about Storms End, though. It's literally like, it's raining all the time. It's a jury place. That's why, like, Lionel is such, like, a breath of fresh air because that place sucks. It's everybody's running around. He's cool.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Sir Lionel's going to take care of his people. You know what I'm saying? You want to be, he's like the 50 cent. You know, he's going to take care of Tony A.O. And fucking Lloyd Banks and everybody. Right. Petty is fuck, too. What did Jay Z say?
Starting point is 00:33:08 Hello Ring of Verse fans. I regret to inform you that due to the initiation, of Deep Shadow Protocol. This bit had to be edited out of the pod. I know. I'm just as disappointed as you are. Thanks as always for listening. And the Midnight Boys, PooPew,
Starting point is 00:33:24 we'll get back to you shortly. You back from Deep Shadow Protocol. Wow. I'm not trying again. We don't get nobody's true. If I have to beat a nigga motherfucking ass, then y'all is, you ain't gonna do shit. Bro, you need seven.
Starting point is 00:33:39 What can I do? If you need seven, we beat it, bro. Come on. man. We be there. I'm gonna end up like Beesbury. Yeah. By the way, sick coughing. Sit coffin for Beesbury. Dude, we got to talk about this, man.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Shout out our guy, Raymond Fawes away, man. Right. He came up, man. He's the man. Actually, well, hold on, hold on. Pause, pause. We hate on sex workers? No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Who's that? Lady Rowan, I think her name is. Yes. Lady of the Night. I will say, huh? I'm just waiting for the problem. mad shit to come out of time.
Starting point is 00:34:14 No, I was just like, if I was Sir Fosterway, I would have wanted to be like, hey, yo, timeline of the pregnancy's not really, really added up. Tough. Ah, you know, what, kitty. Tough. What kiddy? Tough. You know, hey. You know, just raise it.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Yeah, yeah. It deserves love. Just raising it. Wrong about it. Brown's fine as hell. The baby. If he finds out in, like, 20 years, you wouldn't be upset. You would be like, I mean, it's Westrose. I don't know how they're going to find out. They can't seem to keep a track of whose kids are not who's kids.
Starting point is 00:34:44 And my little kids come out with some blonde hair. No, fuck that. That's not true. Three kids look exactly like Jamie. Barathean doesn't have even the inkling to be like, that might not be kids. It's worse at House of the Dragon because Laino is. That's so dumb, bro.
Starting point is 00:35:00 It's like, it's obvious this guy's kids. Nobody cares about this in Westro. It's so not his kids. It's so stupid, bro. It's obviously not his kids. What are the worst things that happen in Westrose? There are worse things. They got brown hair, white as sheets.
Starting point is 00:35:16 And Versa's like, yeah, those are my daughter's kids. Yep, that's it. And you're looking around like, all right, man. Look. They had to kill Vaman because Vibah, he spoke the truth. He's like, yeah, and they cut his head off. And they cut his head off. You know, they cut his head off.
Starting point is 00:35:28 That is funny because I'd be doing some shit like that if I was royalty. I'm like, hey, not too much on that. My grandkids. You know we don't talk about that now. Yeah. Just leave it alone. Just leave that alone. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:35:42 But Raymond, Raymond came up. You know what I mean? He's gonna go start a little, he got a little, you got a, he found his wife, you know what I'm saying? He's got,
Starting point is 00:35:48 he's got the cider business. He got the cider. He got the horse. He got the horse. He's the man. He got his old lady. I wasn't hating on. His shield is awesome.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Shout out dunk too, because Dunk was like, I know you. He was like, no, wait. He was like, uh, Dunk a real,
Starting point is 00:36:01 because he was like, you know what? And guess what? And she's pregnant. He's like, oh, yeah. I told you out of spring break story.
Starting point is 00:36:09 I told you out of the story before. What's this one? Loggerson. Okay, so we went to spring break back in the day. I'll give you a bridge version. And I got to say it like it happened because this is how it happened. Okay. I think I told this story on tailgate.
Starting point is 00:36:25 We went to spring break. Right. And, you know, there's the wet t-shirt contest is spring break. Okay. And there's a girl dancing at the wet t-shirt contest. And I don't mean to say this, but you know who you are. I love you. I love your family.
Starting point is 00:36:40 but I'm just describing her as she was when we met her and we all know we're all still locked in okay it's my people she had the just the greatest breast that we'd ever see there was just and by the way yep I'm not because I don't know right but like Pam Gere cities like like she's white this is a white lady oh okay it was a white lady one of the homies was with us he's also
Starting point is 00:37:10 what? Okay. And we looked and we was like, God damn. The whole fucking everybody was going crazy. Because we, you know, it's like, you know, gifts. People are gifted. Gifts.
Starting point is 00:37:20 So we, oh, hey, it's over. We leave. We go wrong around. Everybody drunk and it's moist and all in it. And so he waits. Waits the whole time. He waits for her. Wow.
Starting point is 00:37:32 Waits for her. Waits to meet her. Waits to the whole thing is over. Like it started friction. waits to meet her. They start kicking it for the rest of the time that we're in Mexico. Okay. Okay. After the time we're in Mexico. Months later, we're back at school and I see them walking down the hall. I'm like, hey! Wow. What's going on? Six years later, married.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Hell yeah. Oh, no. Got married. Oh, no. They are married and they are very happily married. Okay. Super happily married. And I remember amongst my group, we were always talking about, you know, he married the lady that he's at the thing. He won. But amongst us, what niggas will be talking about is whether or not they would have done that, whether or not they could marry somebody at the whole crew had seen the breasts. Now, to me...
Starting point is 00:38:21 All right. That's so tough. Can I be real with you? Can I be real with you? This was an important thing. This was an important thing for me because as I'm... I didn't really care. It doesn't matter to me.
Starting point is 00:38:32 I see you on... Right, yeah. You know, Jenna Jameson's the masseuse. I'll marry you. I don't care. But, like, for me... stable relationship between two people
Starting point is 00:38:42 who love each other all that hyper toxic bullshit didn't matter they have a great family and the whole nine so what that we all saw our breasts it doesn't matter so what I'm saying
Starting point is 00:38:51 when people are talking about false away and the fact that he found somebody to marry that might be have a non-traditional job like yourself like what you're intimating
Starting point is 00:39:01 I'm just telling you I'm seeing this work out that's not what I'm intimately I'm saying you know I love your family so don't I'm not saying it's There is a difference.
Starting point is 00:39:10 They're going to laugh because I brought this up at their wedding, by the way. Why did you do that? In front of everybody? In front of everybody? You had the speech? Yeah, I brought this up. No, I didn't have the speech, but I brought this up at their wedding.
Starting point is 00:39:20 Her dad laughed like crazy. Like, that's my girl type shit. But, but... Wait, so, all right, there is a big difference between your man's waiting around because he saw the most beautiful tities ever and he wanted to get to know this woman. And now they have a happy marriage versus Sir Fosterway not knowing that he's raising, not his kid.
Starting point is 00:39:38 Like, that is totally different. It has nothing to do with their jobs. I agree. It's a little bit. The difference is very small. There's nothing wrong with dating, marrying a sex worker, sex work. So you wouldn't be the father who stepped up? I would like to know about it.
Starting point is 00:39:56 I would like to let to know you step it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to know what I'm stepping to. The thing is that the baby come out with red hair, it's going to be like, oh, yeah, you know, it's a mom team. Now the baby come out and he got some blonde hair. If he come out looking like Kai. You're going to have some questions. You're going to have some questions.
Starting point is 00:40:11 Yeah, it's tough. You're going to ask. Shout out, guys. All right. So we've, so, Egg does it again at the end of the episode. He does.
Starting point is 00:40:22 Hey, man, this show funny, man. Egg does it again. And once again runs away from his family. By the way, love that dunked in NASC. Wait, is that? I've read somewhere that that's not in the show. That's not in the book.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Not in the book. Yeah. In the book, make our girl, like, they have a conversation to make our girls. He looks at Aaron and he's actually like, maybe he would do some good to have an egg. It's actually a fundamental part of his character that he does that. It's better for Egg to be out there so things like this don't happen.
Starting point is 00:40:50 Interesting. And they send them out there together and it's nice and beautiful and it's heartwarming. To see that change, because I'm like, because when he comes out, I'm like, hey, Dunk, why don't you just, why don't you just circle back and just ask? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like, just, like, you know. I totally disagree. Where's your permission slip, Egg? He doesn't ask, and I'm like, there's no way that Maycard talk, like, you know, even with that moment they have with the knife and the thing.
Starting point is 00:41:15 Yeah, yeah. I just feel like, I was like a little bit weirded out. I was like, huh. And so when Night of the Nine Kingdoms comes up, hilarious. Yeah. And then they're all, they're in the little train thing. And it's just the worst vibes. It's like when you, you leave a road game when you lost by 100 and the coach don't even talk to you after the game.
Starting point is 00:41:35 You just on the bus sad as hell. That's what it looked like. And my car looks around and goes, I was crying. I was like, oh, this show is locked in. I love it. I love that choice.
Starting point is 00:41:48 I'm going to be honest. No, if I'm dunk, I'm not asking. I'm like, you can call, sure, whatever,
Starting point is 00:41:54 whatever, come on, little, homie, let's go. Like, let's go. I'm not circling back because I've also been in that situation
Starting point is 00:42:00 where I'm like, bro, like, we're going on. The situation of a kidnapping the child? No. It's like, we ready to go on a journey.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Like, damn, we got our bags back, people just like, oh, I got to run in the house one more time. Like, no, we leave it. It's over. We fucking leave it. It's, again, it's a difference in the book, but I think for this show, it works. It's just, it's just so perfectly done.
Starting point is 00:42:20 I was laughing so hard when Maycar just looks around as like, where's my son at again? There's no way he did this again. So, Dunk is a night now. Yeah. Egg is a Squire. It's official. A lot of things have changed
Starting point is 00:42:35 from the beginning of the show. Six episodes, 30 minutes, full arcs can be done. I don't know, man. TV these days. I was having a debate. Shout out, shout out my homegirl, Ellery and Drew. They were basically saying they were wondering. Ellery?
Starting point is 00:42:56 Ellery. That's her name? Ellery. What a name. Do we know any other Ellery's? I don't know. She's the first other guy I've ever. I've never met an Ellery before.
Starting point is 00:43:03 What? Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Ellery was saying, like, yo, it was six. episodes enough, would you have wanted she was like, nah, it's not enough. They should have done the full 24. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:43:14 I don't know if that. No, no. I'm not fucking with you, Ella. Episode six, we still be, like, we'd be still making our egg cheese. I thought six episodes was perfect. You know, it's perfect. Like, it was no wasted fucking space. Tell you what, though. You're not
Starting point is 00:43:30 going to get another six. No, I think that you might get. That bitch going to be eight to ten next year bank on it. Remember when we were talking about show? You said, not hour long. That bitch going to be eight to ten next year. We're not leaving no meat
Starting point is 00:43:46 on the bone. I mean, I'll take eight, 30 minute episodes. I take eight. Eight, if we get to 10, I'm like, they got to keep them 30 minutes. They got to keep them tired. Like, you don't try to get... If they go 35, we'll think of 40. 40 is an hour at that point. No. Yeah, that's a gentleman's hours. Forties. Forty's a little.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Come on. The duration of them is one thing. I think they're definitely going to be more episodes next season. Yeah. I think there will be. We're ready for the, for the midnight meter.
Starting point is 00:44:12 The midnight meter. All right, guys, y'all know what the midnight meter is. One to ten. Traditional one being the worst. Ten being the best. But we reserve 11 and 12 for true, true game changers.
Starting point is 00:44:24 And mostly 12 for really true game changers. So I'm going to start with you, Van. Where are we going? 11. Okay. Yeah. 1-11.
Starting point is 00:44:34 I can't call it a true, true game changer, because it's very small. Yeah. Very small. I'm going 11. I think I got to go to 11 too. I think the real thing, game changer-wise,
Starting point is 00:44:43 for this show that could do. Like, if, like, I think looking back, and we'll have Mulligan's the end of the year, if, like, shows, they start making TV shows like this. Like, small, contained stories where you see the full arts of characters over, you know, how many other episodes.
Starting point is 00:44:59 But it's an obvious 11. It's the most clear 11. It's a fantastic show. Let every second of it. Magical. 11 as well, I anticipate this being a 12 come Mulligans Because I needed this game of Thrones needed this It makes me psyched for what this world can offer again
Starting point is 00:45:15 And I felt like I'm I'm not comparing this to Andor But I think I'm gonna compare this to like the first season of the bear Where I'm like if I never saw this show again If they never made more which they obviously will This will remain perfect for me Yeah, I'll quit this 11 I've ever had to like It's just is everything I want from
Starting point is 00:45:34 fandom content is everything that I want from the Game of Thrones show and honestly what you said van the only thing that's kind of keeping it from a 12th A will probably be the flashback but B I don't know if it's a game changer yet but like this is some of the most fun I've had honestly with any TV show
Starting point is 00:45:51 very long time Yeah stuff you know what It's I'm delighted that this was as good Yeah as what it what it could have been We needed this to start the year We need something refreshing.
Starting point is 00:46:05 We also had Wonder Man. Wonder Man too? Wonder Man was all right. Doorman. What's his name? Darrell Dorman Davis. Yeah, Darrell Dorman Davis. Shout out to him.
Starting point is 00:46:13 Free Josh Gad. Free Josh Gad. Do he die at the end of that episode? No, he just disappeared. Yeah. Shout out to Daryl Dorman. He needed his own book. I want to see a movie about him.
Starting point is 00:46:22 He should be in Avengers end game. Avengers Doomsday. Daryl Doreland Davis will return. Daryl Doreman Davis. He should be in Avengers Secret Wars. I want to see what happened. Dormant? What if Josh Gadd
Starting point is 00:46:35 He deploys Josh Gadd on Dr. Doom? Josh Gad just pops out on Doom. Wow. That'd be great. Josh Gaggat. And then he immediately gets killed by Dr. Doom. Slime-dow? That'd be hilarious.
Starting point is 00:46:45 We got to talk about racism in the YouTube truth. Do we have to? I can't believe you made me watch these videos, bro. I can't believe. It's a really tough hang. It's a... For people who aren't initiated, explain the premise. What happened?
Starting point is 00:47:00 You guys have heard me talk about a YouTube creator named Connix Explain before. I just want to preface this with this. You guys know that my family says for a tragedy some years ago. My father passed away. During that time, I want all the YouTube creators out there to hear this and understand it. It's always weird and like almost like fake earnest to be like something saved my life, right?
Starting point is 00:47:27 But I will say this. I was not emotionally regulated and there is a nine hour. I've talked about this before. Secret Wars, explainer video, that legitimately during that time was the only thing I could listen to. Like, I would listen to it over and over and over again. This was a fantastical story
Starting point is 00:47:43 about something happening in another world, Jonathan Hickman, and it took my mind off things. I was listening to it the entire time I was in Louisiana, when I came back to California, I would still be, I've listened to it so many times when I was walking around and stuff like that. So I want YouTube fucking content creators to realize that, like, your work actually
Starting point is 00:48:02 matters and matters differently to a lot of different people. So I fuck with Comics Explained. I love Comics Explained. Comics Explained was called a coon by a guy named Blurt without fear. All right. I reached out to Rob from Comics Explained via Twitter DMs. Wait, was Blurred? Was Blurred the first one?
Starting point is 00:48:23 I thought like... I don't think that Blur was the first one. I thought the Blurt on the phone. Someone else, my recollection you did someone else in the community had called him a Yes. Yes. Someone else called him that. And then Blurr Without Fear, I guess as I understood it,
Starting point is 00:48:39 when I was talking to him, kind of tried to defend Rob at first. And then it was through this defense, he was made aware of the fact that Rob was following two different content creators. One guy's name is NerdRotic. And the other one's name is Critical Drinker. I don't know if people have ever heard of these guys. I have not. Before this, I had not.
Starting point is 00:49:03 But they were, as I learned in that circle, many of them, many people have accused them of being, saying some abhorrent things, racist, homophobic, transphobic. They are, I don't think that there's, they're part of the woke wars that are going on. And part of their platforms are built around the fact that diversity is inherently bad for all of these spaces. and that these corporations should not be putting black people into these different roles and whatever. You guys know the types that I'm talking about. And people got mad when it was revealed that Comic Explain was following. We're following both of these guys.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Critical Drinker I've actually seen on Pierce Morgan before. I actually thought before seeing him on Pierce Morgan that he was like a political contributor. I didn't know that it had that much to do with comics. I know he does movies and stuff like that. but like these are guys that call companies off putting black people and women and trans and gay people into their stuff. So they saw that Rob was following them. Then the other stuff and they started calling Rob Akoon.
Starting point is 00:50:10 I thought that this was an interesting discussion and debate because at the core of it, what it got back to was some people were saying that Rob doesn't do enough to specifically highlight black comment Rob doesn't like the milestone universe and that he could be doing more some people are saying to highlight black comic characters
Starting point is 00:50:37 particularly during black history month Comics Explained is the biggest comic YouTube channel out there over 2 million subscribers so this question is the same question that we're having all the time if you are black which Rob is and you are a creator or a commentary, a commentator or whatever, how, how much do you owe the black community, blurts, black comic fans by what it is that you cover? Like, is it okay to just say,
Starting point is 00:51:12 hey, I'm the biggest person doing this on YouTube. My success alone is indicative of like, you know, change or it's by itself significant that I am black and I am the biggest. Or do you need to put your arms around a community of people that are legitimately, legitimately arguing that black people can be heroes? And I don't want to make, I'm not trying to deliver the I have a dream speech or anything like that, as if I would be capable or something like that. But when you're talking about this mythology, just understand how fundamental this is. Understand like how you learn what a hero is.
Starting point is 00:51:56 when you're flipping through a book of made-up stories and in these stories, you see all the same types of people doing the most amazing things that you've ever seen or ever read. Like, do we have a place in that? And that's like a real deal. And so, like, while this, to a lot of people look like some sort of, like, internet bullshit, I thought it was a really interesting conversation, albeit it went to some places that might have not been that productive.
Starting point is 00:52:23 I thought it was an interesting conversation about what we owe, these communities as we talk about this stuff. I mean, I am so far removed from this world. I don't know anybody personally. In this, you know, I try to, you know, I watch some stuff. I guess my question is,
Starting point is 00:52:40 is like, comics explaining Rob don't strike me as someone who's necessarily doing it for the culture. And that's not me. I thought what I saw of his explanation of why he was following these two people to be bullshit, to be quite clear. I was just like
Starting point is 00:52:56 This doesn't make any sense. But like, A, sometimes you've got to stand on, I did something fucked up, and my YouTube channel is pitched to an algorithm. And like I said, I'm not doing it for the culture. I'm doing it for the views and I'm doing it for the money. And that's okay. I just think you need to be upfront about that. What if you're doing it for the love and it has nothing to do?
Starting point is 00:53:17 What if you... Do you... The culture is one... The YouTube is one thing. The money is another thing. I'm sure the money is a huge... huge driving factor here. What if you just love this stuff
Starting point is 00:53:30 and you love it in a way that is not necessarily about a crusade for inclusivity? Is there any room for that? I'm asking. I do not. Like, for me, that's not what we do. Like, we try to do something for black history every single time, but that's because there's a different thing.
Starting point is 00:53:47 Here's the thing. I think our project is a little bit different. You know what I mean? Where it's like, me personally and politically, I support almost every black person do I like all black art just because it's black art? No. No. But do I, do I...
Starting point is 00:54:03 You don't have to, by the way. I don't have to, but am I very, very careful about how I approach talking about certain black art or going out of my way to promote certain things because I'm just like, hey, yo, if there's a thousand channels supporting white superheroes
Starting point is 00:54:19 and all this white nonsense, then that's all we can do, there is a reason why I give Wonder Man more of a chance because I'm just like, I know how much harder it is to get that into the world. And we just don't get that many opportunities. I don't know Rob. I don't like really consume much of his content.
Starting point is 00:54:38 I did not like the explanation. I get why people are mad. But there is a level of this where I'm just like, hey, yo, people are in it for the check and the algorithm. And do people actually want comics explained to be the person highlighting these heroes, these black heroes, and highlighting these universes, if it's not actually coming from a considered place,
Starting point is 00:55:02 does that make any sense? Yeah, because if he would do some like that, it's inauthentic, it's not real. You, like, there are, I'm sure there are places online where we can, you can find that. Right, you just, we just got to, you gotta find, you gotta dig for, you gotta find it. Or, if you don't have it, make it, make it yourself.
Starting point is 00:55:19 You know what I mean? But it might be disingenuous because you don't strike me as a person. And who's like, hey, yo, if you... Not from him, no, not from him. Which is, but I do think like, hey, yo, you do got to wear it. When people from your community are like, hey, why are you following these people? Like, why are you doing...
Starting point is 00:55:38 Like, when you get called out, I do think you should have a better explanation or cop to the fact that you're like, you know what I... I'm in the wrong. I see why you guys are upset. I should do better because I am in a position of leadership in this space. and we already know what it is to be black creatives. So I think whoever somebody is following is like less of an issue. It's all kinds of reasons like while you follow people and stuff like that, I understand that when you follow someone,
Starting point is 00:56:10 it could be seen that you are endorsing the whatever ideas. And I don't totally agree with that. I don't totally agree with that either. So I think that's actually less to me of an issue personally of let me put you this way I think people are tying the two issues together I think people are saying
Starting point is 00:56:31 you said that you don't like the milestone universe he called Angel Reese an asshole right okay so it's like even to even saying that Angel Reese is an asshole that's like an interesting way to talk about a black lady right so I'm not so listen I will say if he did I have not heard that
Starting point is 00:56:49 if he said something like that I would be a little bit like like, hey, yo, not too much. Like, if I caught him doing some shit. I'll be like, hey, man, why should you got to be an asshole, right? You know what I'm saying? So I think I'm not making any determinations about Rob's character. I don't know Rob like that, right?
Starting point is 00:57:05 But what I'm saying is that I think people are putting a bunch of things together. They're saying you don't cover these types of black heroes other than really like Blue Marvel, which he has done a lot to put Blue Marvel out there. Like, talks about Blue Marvel all the time. You don't cover black heroes during Black History Month. you follow these guys, you're saying this stuff. I think people are actually kind of investigating, which is something that black people do,
Starting point is 00:57:30 the cultural safety that they would have, like, a round round. Right, but I mean, is that because of the war, just the world we live in today right now? That's kind of the internet. They'll do that. But, like, people, like, people of color, trans, like, are under tech. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:48 Like, just full stop. Right? And so you need, like, we need people to, like, step up. We need people to stand up, right? And be like, hey, don't, like, during Black History Month, during Pride Month, be like, hey, let's highlight these voices. Let's show off these characters, these people. Because day to day, every single, I mean, forget even Blackerser's in a month, right?
Starting point is 00:58:08 Like, just day to day because every single day you turn on the news is something about, something about Black people. That's something about Hispanic, some about Latino, something about transgender. Like, it's just consistent. And so I think that's where That's where the he's coming from right now It's like yo man we're under attack all the time At least during this month you can show some love
Starting point is 00:58:29 You have a you have a huge channel You could like big up our people right now And to To your point complain to things To see like to have that And also oh those that's your man's over there You look at him like hey yo Brother this not the time to be with them
Starting point is 00:58:46 You this is not the time to be I'll just say this. It is a perfect example of, you know what? The internet could be bullshit. This is not a world that I'm usually in. I just think it's a moment of like, do you stand for something or do you stand on nothing? And it's just like, it is fair when you are at that height.
Starting point is 00:59:03 I think we've all had to go through it in certain areas. And I just think this is a moment is like, what do you stand for? Right. And if it's just the money, if it's just the algorithm, if you don't want to fuck up your check, if you don't want to ever, like, hey, that's fine. I can't. You can't hate on it.
Starting point is 00:59:18 You can talk about it. but you can't hate on it. No, no, no, that's your life. It's just, there is a level where it's like, that's not my politics. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's not my politics.
Starting point is 00:59:27 Is it also the honesty of it, though? Like, would you respect the honesty of being like, yeah, I don't get involved with those sorts of things because that would fuck me out. No, no, I think it would be cowardly. No, of course. But like, but I can. And I don't respect this, by the way. Yeah, absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:59:41 Well, look, how many times have we seen people on the internet be put in these exact same positions and they don't stand on these things? Well, look, here's the thing. I wouldn't respect it, but at least it would level set. And I say this beyond whatever we're talking about with this specific, when someone goes, I just don't care about that.
Starting point is 00:59:59 Like, I don't care about it. This is what I care about. I don't get mad necessarily when people set their priorities based around selfish things or things that are more about their lives. There are some people that have like fraught stories. They never thought they would get
Starting point is 01:00:17 to the place. that they got. And so when they get there, they hold on really, really tight. I would give my opinion of them doing that and explain to people why I think in a society that we're all trying to share why that's not the way
Starting point is 01:00:32 that I look at things. And I personally believe that we are all as strong as the most vulnerable ones amongst us. And if we do not protect the most vulnerable ones amongst us, we will become the most vulnerable ones amongst us. Right.
Starting point is 01:00:47 And so I believe that as a humanist and as a societal edict. Not everybody believes that. So I would say, hey, someone is saying this, let me tell you what the problems with that are, right? But I'm not going to continuously butt my head against the wall of someone that goes, I don't care about whatever it is that you niggas is marching about. Go do whatever the fuck that you're doing, right?
Starting point is 01:01:07 I think the more important thing for us to do right now is to let people know that there's a vibrant community of black-centered people and space is out there doing this. I'm going to name some of them. Black girl nerds, for all nerds, black nerd community,
Starting point is 01:01:23 nerds at the cool table, those are my guys, Blurred Without Fear, three black geeks podcast, geek set podcasts, okay? All of these people do great work, and if you know of more,
Starting point is 01:01:35 we are not like any type of, you know, all these people have, some of these people have, like, much bigger audiences that we do. But there is to me
Starting point is 01:01:44 an opportunity for everyone to go, out and support people, not just this month, but all the time who are showing you that black people exist in these spaces. We're here to be heard in these spaces, and we care about this stuff through our lens and our purview. There are a bunch of kids out there that woke up one day and went, hmm, it just dawned on me that Landau-Karizian is the only motherfucker that looks like me that was in this story. What does that mean? For a lot of people, that was there. entry into talking about race.
Starting point is 01:02:19 As crazy as that sounds. For a lot of people, they just looked around and went, none of me. Do I get to say the galaxy? And what does it mean if I don't? So those conversations are important. I thought this conversation was pretty interesting. You guys can go and do all your own research
Starting point is 01:02:34 and then kind of make up your mind on how you feel about it and all that stuff. I mean, to your point, all end on is just like, yeah, I think most of this story is a little bit like, all right, like getting into some bullshit. I do think I like that you ended on the, fact of like, hey, yo, the whole conversation doesn't have to be bullshit. Like, you can put your money where your mouth is, your click.
Starting point is 01:02:53 It doesn't cost anything to subscribe, to click, and to follow black creators and support them that are doing this day in and day out. I wasn't following Blurr without fear. I went to look at his videos. He's hilarious. His stuff is great and stuff like that. So, you know.
Starting point is 01:03:08 I was saying, John, he was going. It all right. I was like, bro. Not all of it was right. I was like, yeah. Shout out to Blur. We talked on the phone. We talked on the phone.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Like, we talked on the phone. Like, he was, he said, fuck it. He let the chopper saying, bro. He let the chopper fucking sing. I was like, oh, shit. Every single time, he did the Rakul VX. He was like, fuck, bro. I got to get him on the phone, man.
Starting point is 01:03:35 I got to see what the fuck is going on. All right, that's it. We up out of here. Um, that is a wrap. Tuesday, House of Art will have their deep dive for the season finale of night of the Seven kingdoms, Nine Kingdoms. On Wednesday, we, the Midnight Boys, will be back for our Black History Month episode,
Starting point is 01:03:52 don't come for us, nigga. What? What? What? We do one all the time. We do this shit all the time. We do this shit all the time. We did, we did, women's history month, shout out to Atlanta.
Starting point is 01:04:06 A woman. We did, like, we did, like, we did female characters, okay? Don't come for us. The only thing we haven't done yet is something that I want to do. I want to live Lovita Loke. baby. Oh my God. I want to do the best Latino characters
Starting point is 01:04:22 in honor of Bad Bunny and the Super Bowl. What's Latino month? Oh, boy. Can we get out of it? Is there Latino month? What's Latino month? Brother, let's speak past this. What is it? September
Starting point is 01:04:36 through October, 15 to the 15th. Oh, okay. So when September through October... What happened? Our Asian brothers and sisters. Pacific Islanders. We can't. We can't. Everybody can't be involved.
Starting point is 01:04:50 Wait, wait. I'm just joking. What you want to want for? I don't care about that. I'm just playing. Okay? I'm just playing. Not everybody can be a joke.
Starting point is 01:05:04 New segment. Don't get involved. Jesus Christ. It's a joke, guys. It's a joke. Yeah, it's very important. I want to live with me the loka. AAPI.
Starting point is 01:05:15 All of this stuff. We, look at Charles is so, we did Monkey Man. We did what the, our. But shout out, bro. We covered all this shit. We, we, we, we keeping it real. No? South to bow or Rashobricans.
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