The Ringer-Verse - Across the Spider-Verse, DC News, and Armchair CEO | The Midnight Boys

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

The Midnight Boys return to talk about the newest trailer for 'Across the Spider-Verse' and what they hope to see in the long-awaited sequel (06:43). Then, they discuss the multiple stories of big changes to the DCEU slate (13:49) and later play another game of armchair CEO with James Gunn's new DC (39:49). Hosts: Charles Holmes, Van Lathan, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman Social: Jomi Adeniran Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Additional Productional Support: Arjuna Ramgopal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Megan the Stallion trial. All right. This is not higher learning. Stop. I don't do that anymore. It's not true. We're in depth. Steve is in the courtroom right now.

He's drawing pictures. Really quickly while we're on this before we get off, I think we all need to check in on Steve because I've been going on his socials and he's been listening to a little bit too much Cizza. I mean too much Cizza. I've never met a man. He was listening to a lot of Cizza who like, he's going through it. Talk about it. I'm doing great.

right now. I'm doing correct. I bet you are. Steve about to get a BBL. Steve, Steve, oh, wait, Steve, is this why you ain't going to be recording? Like, it says you're going on vacation. Where are you going, Steve? To the D.R. Yes, to the D.R. He going to the D.R. I thought Steve was good enough for Miami, you know what I'm saying?

No, no, listen, we're not paying like that just yet. Yeah, Steve going to the D.R. Steve going to come back. Bubble. All right. Follow us on social, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, save Jomi's job pro. Grammy reminders.

Okay. This Friday, Ben Lindberg and friends will be giving their thoughts on the 10 best video games of the year. Monday, the House and Midnight returns

with Mal and Van and Charles to give their thoughts on Avatar, the way of water. Let's fucking go. I cannot wait. Give it to him, Chuck. I cannot wait.

Give it to him. Chuck is not. Is cinema back? I've been excited since Andor I've been riding a wave I'm really afraid of the crash I am so afraid

Like one of those waves Like an interstellar Those waves that are so beautiful But yet can destroy everything You know Like one of those waves But I'll watch interstellar That's a that's a

That's a tough movie man Interstellar is very very high drama I don't like interstellar I'll be real What was the last time Y'all saw the interstellar? The last time I was in theaters that shit was depressing as hell.

Like that was like... Interstellar was... Come on. That interstellar was... God damn, they got a lot of problems. You know what I'm saying? We're down here. We've been down here at 30 minutes.

What did we lose? We've been... We've lost 50 earth years. Fuck! Jesus Christ! Your kids have grown up. Your grandfather died. It's like, fuck, man.

It's a talk movie. Were you crying when he's behind the fucking bookshelf? Like, that was when I was like, nah, bro. I can't do you. Marf! No, no, no, no, no. I'm on the plane like, yo, what the fuck am I doing?

This is so hard. Merv! Merv! Don't leave. No, Merv! No! No! No! All right. Next Wednesday, the long-awaited at Midnight Mulligan's episode of the Midnight Boys is coming out.

And we can't wait. We're changing everything. Everything that was. was good, got worse. Everything that was worse, got better. Okay? Predictions, who do you think is going to have to change their scores the most?

Jomey? I re-looked at some of these scores. Slow down. Slow your role. There was one in particular that's egregious. Right. We need to have to have another talk here. And we have to sit down.

We have to come together as a family and discuss my behavior. I have weighing on my soul. I have apologies to make. Oh, this is going to be an annual thing. We need to have a Mulligan's award for whoever has to change their scores the most. It is probably going to be joking. Got it. So the Mulligan Master?

The Mulligan Master. Who's going to be the Mulligan Master? We'll see. We'll see who the Mulligan Master is. By the way, not a title that one would want. No. No. No.

Today's show, we're running through the nerd news. It's an all nerd news show. And we're playing another game of Armchair CEO. Armchair CEO of D.C., not a job that anybody would ever want to have. I got to be honest with you guys. D.C. is in shambles. That shit's stuff.

DC right now stands for direct-to-cable. Because that's where all of these movies seem like they're headed. It seems like we're going to be, you know, those movies that you cruise around when you're on, You're trying to find a new movie that you like on Amazon Prime. You're like, God damn. I don't know that Anthony Hopkins and Lawrence Fishburn did a movie together. Like, you just look for these movies.

I'm sure they did at some point. You talking about D.C. I woke up and they're just like, hey, y'all want Westworld too bad. We take that shit off. They get rid of everything. Is Westworld canceled? Yes. Well, it's canceled, but they're also taking it off HBO Max.

Yeah. Wait, hold on. So, because I was very confused. Westworld is done as a show, and then you just can't watch it at all. It's going to possibly be on another something or other. Why? Just moving to another thing. This is not to watch.

We can't pay the news on that money. You brought it up. How is it not to watch? You're asking me about the internal documents of HBO. All right. All right. Nerd News. Let's do it.

Okay, big animation news. Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. Spider-Man across the Spider-verse trailer dropped moments ago. Moments ago, it came out. Interesting. Obviously, we all loved Into the Spider-Verse. Some people say it's the finest Spider-Man movie ever made. This is a highly-awaited, highly-anticipated sequel.

We've all seen the trailer. What did we think? I'll let y'all go first. stand on, stand on your pre-pod comments. All right. Well, first and foremost, you know, it's pre-pods. It's pre-pod for a reason, Charles, okay? It was, here's the thing. I'm going to be honest.

I'll be honest. It didn't show me, you know, anything crazy. You know, I, we would talk, people been talking about the trailer for, you know, a couple days, like, ah, in Spada versus Sered, and Spada versus Trader. And, you know, it's a conversation with Miles's mom, which is nice and heartfelt. And then it goes into, I guess, like a world of Spiter people. and they're out there, you know, doing a thing and swinging

in a direction and Spider-Man 29 looks angry and that's it. Wow, sell it more, Jomey. I really... I mean, like, let's be, let's be honest. It didn't show us too much. You know, it's more of a teaser trailer than a full length

Yeah, absolutely. It is, it's, the trailer's what, 229 and or something like that in the first 30 seconds of the trailer. trailer are actually scenes from or intercut with scenes from into the Spider-Verse. I don't think they were keen on really damaging us with this particular trailer. But it seems like the overall mood of the Midnight Boys is a little lukewarm on this. So I was going to ask you guys this.

Did you, did any of us read the original Spider-Verse story by Dan Slot? Yes. When it was introduced. I read it after the movie. Yeah, after the movie. Yeah. So I think this movie, what does it? excite me is the fact that like if we you look at the first spiderverse movie it's only what it's it's a

couple spider-man this is actually more in line with the comics where it's like oh no we're actually going to like a dimension where there are thousands upon thousands of spider-men we get spider-man 2099 we got eastor 8 playing spider woman we have spider-punk they have the ps4 uh spider-man there's a lot in here so i think the idea of this trailer is a little bit more exciting and we just didn't get the meat. Like, they're teasing us with all of the, like, little spider,

I'm like, no, show them. Like, let's, let's do it, commit. And I think that might be why it seems a little undwelling. I mean,

we're all excited for this movie, though. Like, it's not like the fact that we're not, like, excited for the movie. I don't want to, you know,

say that. But, like, also me, like a Marvel trailer, like a Marvel movie trailer will show us everything, but we don't know what's going on in the,

like, in terms of like the plot usually. Like, okay, this, but when the trailer shows everything, everything people normally complain. Well, not to give way the whole movie out of this. People complain.

I'm trying to figure out, I guess I kind of feel the same way you guys felt. Obviously, I just watched it and I said what I said. What did we want to see that we didn't see? Charles is on record saying he wanted to see more Spider-Man, like Jummy Steve. What did you guys want to see out of the trailer that you didn't see? I think it's more of a, like, mood tone setter this trailer. And rather than like, okay, we don't really get a sense of setting. we don't get a sense of plot, stakes, anything like that,

which ultimately I'm fine with, like, look, there's no way this isn't going to be good. I'm pretty sure we're all certain of that. It's going to be a great movie. It'll be fantastic. We're all fine with that. We're all fine with kind of knowing almost nothing about this and still having a great time once we go see it.

Maybe we wanted a bit more meat on the bonus to, you know, what's actually going on rather than, okay, Gwen Stacy's back and they're kind of seemingly traveling through multiverses again and there's one Spider-Man that's mad at him and then there's a couple that like we don't really know is spots going to be there or not? We don't really know. I think we're going to be getting something a lot more robust

once it's a lot closer to release. Because again, this is coming out in June of next year. So we got like six, seven months before this comes out. Before we get off Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse, we have a lot more to talk about. I just want to. know, I'm getting big. One of these parents are dying energy.

I was just like, this is a speech you give before, you know, your time is done. I think we can't have, listen, Miles can't have another family member die. Well, listen, it's a Spider-Man film, you know. Everybody, you got to, there is no Spider-Man story where Spider-Man doesn't go outside some way. Speaking of Miles, with all these different spider people in the movie, they did a masterful job of it in the first movie. But with all these different spider people in the movie, is there a point to where there's so much on screen, Daniel Kului is in this movie, Oscar Isaac's in this movie,

Issa Raine's in this movie? Is there a point to where there's so much spider action on the screen that it affects in some way, Miles' character development? I think the thing that stood out for me, the best about Into the Spiderverse, was I can't think of a superhero movie where the protagonist was developed better. Like, by the end of the film,

I can't think of a film where the hero's journey was that perfectly done. It's very difficult for me to think of one in all of the superhero movies that I've seen. In this one, are we going to continue to get that same development when they're up in the Annie on how many different Spider versions

are in the movie? I trust them. Yeah. I trust them to make the right decision. The thing with me about the- Martin Miller are too talented to- Yeah. The thing that got me about this trailer was,

you said, you know, Issa Ray is playing Spider-woman. Daniel Kulula is paying Kobe Brown. Like, I would have loved to like hear their voices and see them interact with with miles for a second you know like we know he's got the relationship with his mom and i think they're trying to signal it's important to this this film and we know about him and gwen i would like to see more like more of those more of that

you know before going into the film but i guess they're holding on to that so it's it's got to mean something so we'll see i'll be there june june 5th i'll be there too i'll be there shirtless i'll be there shirtless i'm not going to wear a shirt to him me. That's good for you, man. That's a choice. I'm going to be in such good shape. By the time this movie comes out, I'm not going to wear a shirt.

I'm going to wear body paint. Spider-van? Wow. Like it's a sporting event. Spider-van. Spider-van. Spider-van. I can't think of any words.

Okay. All right. We have to talk about D.C. guys. All right. Okay. And we don't know. Guys, as the Midnight Boys,

we're normally, we're used to debating whether or not things are excellent. It gets to be a challenge when you have to debate on just how fucked up everything is in one particular ecosystem. We got to get to it. Let's show some grace. Like, let's not, we don't want to, we don't want to punch. Take it away.

Start with the grace. Start with the grace. No, I can't. No, no. Charles, starting with grace here. Okay. I'm just saying it's going to be rough. We have like so much to get.

It's going to be rough if we're too mean. All right. Well, let's do the news first. Patty Jenkins reportedly out as the director and writer of Wonder Woman, according to the Hollywood reporter. Allegedly Michael Deluca and Pamela Abdi did not like the treatment that Patty Jenkins turned in for the movie alongside co-creator, co-writer, Jeff Johns.

unclear whether or not Galgado will reprise her role. According to the rap, Jenkins told her Luca and Abdi. They didn't understand her. They didn't understand the character. Didn't understand the character arcs. And then sit them

a link to Wikipedia definitions for character arc. This is outrageous. My God. I really hope that's real. I really hope that's real. That's nuts.

That's so funny. funny. All right, Van, I have to ask you, as someone in the industry, if you sent somebody a Wikipedia definition to character arc, that's essentially setting the whole bridge on fire. No, you're dissolving that relationship.

Like, you're dissolving that relationship. Now, I'm not a lot. For us, we might be a little bit different because we've made one movie. It was a successful movie, but we've made one movie. We might try to figure it out just because we're baby producers.

Fucking to Patty Jenkins? Yeah. Wild. You know what I'm saying? Like fucking to Patty Jenkins? No, Patty Jenkins sent them the Wikipedia definition. Oh, my bad. Okay, I read that wrong.

Well, that's even worse. And I'll tell you why it's even worse. It's even worse because Patty Jenkins is saying, allegedly, allegedly, that they don't know what they're talking about. So, no, I mean, once it gets to this point, the real thing about this, though, is not even the pittiness is going back and forth between them. It's that this was leaked on purpose.

This type of strife and this type of animus in a back and forth conversation between a filmmaker and their studio home. Things like this happen, but you don't hear about them because nobody's talking,

right? You don't hear about that shit until these movies are made and stories come out months and months after. this is out because somebody wanted it to be out and they wanted to know just how bad things are. So if you ask me, Wonder Woman's dead in the water. I will say this, Wonder Woman 3 at least with God Goddadeau and Patty Jenkins.

After Wonder Woman 1984, they did not have a big meat cleaver to swing here. No. The studio had every right, if you're asking me, not to disrespect a filmmaker of that talent, but to ask some questions, because that movie was so bad, and to bring that same creative team back,

you kind of got to do your due diligence, that they're going to do something different here or that things are going to be handled in a better way. Yeah, I'm curious, like, because there's a lot more of, you know, seemingly bad things coming up and, like, basically translating to projects, not happening,

and people being either disgruntled or rather upset that things are like basically hitting the brakes in a real hard way. Tired sports metaphor here, like, are they kind of just blowing this up like the magic right now? Like, are they just kind of like starting from scratch? Or is that what we got to do? We can maybe, I don't think they can blow it up. The man, wait, exactly. When did the magic blow it all up?

What the fuck he's talking about? Remember in, was it 2020, 28 or 2021? Yeah, 2021. They cleaned house. We're sending vood. to Chicago. We're sending Aaron Gordon to... I don't respect it.

Do you know how many other teams you can use as an example of teams that have blown it all up? You know how many other teams that you can use teams that won a championship? I didn't say this is going to be a 10 out of 10 metaphor here. We can write the mismatch. It's fun.

What does the magic ever win to where... The magic's up... They have the magics. The magics. The magics. I know as dad. The magic's. Dad, get out. All right.

Anyway, but did they blow it up? I think, Charles, what are you going to say? They are kind of blowing it up, right? I don't, I think it's a, the problem is they're half blowing it up. So this is like, we have nine of these. This is number six. So reportedly, there are movies that James Gunn and Saffrin aren't touching. They're Matt Reeves, the Batman sequel.

JJ and Tanya Hecy Coates, Black Led Superman, Joker 2. And it seems like they still want Wonder Woman 3 with Godot, even if it's not with Patty Jenkins. So it's like they're almost trying to have their cake and eat it too because it costs a lot of money for Discovery to buy Warner. And I think you can't really blow up something like Wonder Woman because it still is like it makes money. You know what I mean?

Like they're going to release Aquaman. It's done. That last one made a billion dollars. Same thing with Joker. I think there are movies on the thing where they're just like, hey, you could blow up all the new shows. shit. But the movies that were successful,

no, we got to keep that because the debts are come and due. You know what I'm saying? And that's why I think a lot of fans are confused almost. Well, I think a lot of fans are confused because we're not sure what the edict that DC is right now. We're not sure if the edict is we're universe building or if the edict is we're making profitable films because

those two things are different. When I say, everyone wants to make a profitable film. So obviously that's always, number But when I say that, I mean, is D.C. willing to, is James Gunn going to take the Kevin Feigey approach to make some movies that might not reach a billion dollars in grosses or be cultural sort of revelations in order to lay out a cohesive universe story? Or are they wiping the slate clean just take their roster of characters and make one-offs? like I don't know what they're doing. And so I think that's kind of a lot of people's kind of confusion at the direction of D.C.

I mean, for me, it doesn't make any sense, right? You got to pick, you got to pick do one or the other. You know what I'm saying? You can't be like, oh, we're going to shelf half of this stuff. And then here's the other half you like. You know, I think, I mean, there is a world where you build upon it, but that would just confuse the audience to a point where, like, how do you then, like, how do you then, like, tell your audience. hey, the stuff, like half of this is cool and we're going to try and build upon that,

but all the other stuff that's also adjacent, that also makes sense. Ah, we're getting that out of there. But here's the thing. We haven't felt a sense of cohesion or, like, unity with what D.C. has been doing for years now. I mean, that's part of it. This isn't, like, new.

Like, we haven't known really the North Star of what D.C.'s been doing for a very long time. I look at all of these stories and I'm thinking, okay, maybe we're finally killing the Snyderverse. Maybe this is finally it. Because it has taken a very long time for the Snyderverse

to, you know, see its sunset. It seems to me that like if there's actually a direction to go in, it's not going in a certain direction. So let's run through some of these things real quick. Let's do a rapid fire. Two, there rumors that Jason Momoa reportedly done as Aquaman might come back as

Lobo. Wow. Michael Keaton was potentially starring a Batman Beyond movie. Oh, that's a tough one. Okay. No more Henry Cavill from Man O'Neill 2. Walter Hamada, the former head of D.C. films was working towards a crisis on infinite earth type story

that he bring multiple incarnations of heroes together. James Gunn aren't touching a couple of movies. The Batman sequel. J.J. Abrams and Tonehese coached Black-led Superman, Joker 2, Wonder Woman 3, which they're going to make Wonder Woman 3, but not with Patty Jenkins. That's insane.

Maybe with Galgado. It's not a party that she's out. Okay. James Gunn says Superman is one of their biggest priorities. Yeah, I would hope so. Superman's one of the bigger priorities. I would certainly hope so. The biggest character in comic books history

he gave one of the biggest priorities. Then you had this whole weird salvo, this opera, going back and forth, between what was the earnings of Black Adam. Oh, we got to talk about that, bro. Oh, amazing. Love it. Love it.

Warner Discovery was leaking out that Black Adam lost money. The Rock was like, nah, man, we changed the hierarchy, dog. I'm not going to hold you. That was one of the saddest things I've ever seen in my life, bro. Cucking the books, baby. Rock, rock going on Twitter, like, well, I go, actually, you know, we're set to make a 50 million. I was like, rock, bro. You got to do this, bro.

No, you're set to make $50 million to my guy. You don't got to be out here fine for your life on bomb black Adam, dog. You know what I'm saying? Just make up with Vin Diesel, go make fast 11. You're going to be back in the billions, baby. You ain't got to live like this. Now, you know what you just said is definitely what the Rock doesn't want to do? That's the last thing the Rock will do.

That's the last thing the Rock will do. But listen, we're seeing it, my brother. Look, I've seen the movie. I've seen the takes. I've seen the money made back, man. Listen, sometimes you got to suck it up and come home. How do we feel about the fact that

Aquaman might become Lobo? I mean, Van, I know you're happy about it. You love Lobo. And come on, if you get anybody to play Lobo. Easy film. If you get anybody to play Lobo, it should be Jason Momoa, to be fair. But she's already He's already awkward man.

This is what I'm talking about. He's already Aquaman, bro. What would he be better as? What do you think he'd be better at? I think he's great as Aquaman. But would you want to see him as Lobo? I would want to see him as Lobo. I think he's great as Lobo.

I think the real issue is that you're living in the world where your Aquaman could also be your Lobo when those guys should really kind of be. And I, Aquaman went savage for a little while, lost his appendages and all that stuff. Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah, the hook, but I don't know. The guy's already Aquaman.

It's true. Borka don't know. I mean, everybody's using and I think this kind of bullshit, well, like, well, Chris Evans was human torch and now he's Captain America. I'm like, that is so much different. Also, that's like doorline 10 years after that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on, man.

Like, we had a good reset on who Chris Evans was by the time he became Captain America. How many times did he see Aquaman? Not really. It was four years. It was like four years. And by the way, it's funny that when that came out, I had a problem with that. I was like, when they came out,

I was like, he's already a human torch. Did you have a problem with Ben Affleck as Batman? You have a problem with Ryan Reynolds for Deadpool and Greenlander? Okay. I didn't care about those as much. But you know what? Because they suck just as bad. I'll be honest with you, though,

a lot of those are kind of, they're out of universe. You know, this is in universe. I guess it's the same thing with Captain America and Human Torch also being in the universe. Not really because it was Fox, but this is in universe. This is, and this is happening right before our eyes.

I'm gonna leave Aquamanical to be Lobo. It's, it's a thing. Again, all these movies are like, I don't want to, I'm trying to stop using the word mid. Like, I don't want to,

you know what I'm saying? Like, we got to get off that word. But that's the word we got to leave behind in 2022, mid. People have forgotten how to use it. We've disgraced the meaning. Let's like after 20, the clock hits January 1st,

2023, we're done with mid. All right. But all the movies have been so, so, so that really is just picking and choosing what, you know, they like versus what the fans might like and vice versa. I'm not seeing a lot of a Snyder versus representation in here. Well, first of all, first of all,

you know, awful. Fantastic. I love that. I love to hear that. You know awful. Rest and pissed to the smile. Verse. Thank Christ. I'll fuck with it. I love.

Van just don't want his mention his ruin. I understand. Right. I understand. No, no, no. You don't want the boss on him. I understand, Van. I get you.

I like the Snyderverse. Hmm. Got you, buddy. I got to ask y'all. Is there part of us that's like, I wasn't excited to see a lot of these movies now, but like I'm extra like, dog, do I really like Shazam or Aquaman? I'm like, if you're basically telling me this shit does not matter.

Like, I'm like, I don't, like, how am I supposed to get excited, you know? Why, though? I mean, that doesn't matter. He's so, no, bro. He's so right. Why go through all of this now? There are movies out there. Flash starring one of the finest criminals of our time.

It's still out there. I don't know about finest. God. Like, it's like, there's still, there's still movies out there. Aquaman is still out there. Shazam is still out there. What is everybody panicking for? Like, see, they just introduced Henry Cavill as we just saw it.

We just got it back. That was my favorite part of the whole thing. It was like, so funny. Yeah, man, he's coming back. Can't have him. They were like, well, hold on. We're not exactly, sir. I wonder if he's running back to the Witcher right now, too.

He left the Witcher. He left Superman. They're like, hold on, buddy. he peeks his head back into the Netflix office they'll have him right back right now's worth like take take your feelings about the Snyderverse out of the shit

like I don't know if I got another round of like all right here's the new Superman you should like I'm like just let Henry Cavill do it like I'm at a point I don't just let him do it bro just let him do it bro just at this point the one thing that they should do

is make sure that Henry Cavill stays on the Superman just let him do it man to do it, he's in a perfect spot for it, he's played the character enough. And more than anything, bro, he's just, he's been through so much.

We're saying it like he's just been through hell. I feel for Henry, bro. I feel for Henry, bro. Like, just let him do it, dog. And to me, he's figured the character out. He was, especially in the Sonata cut.

Which I love. I felt like he played a charming, strong version of Superman. Like he was a little too mopey before, a little too sad. But he kind of figured out the character. You got, they got him out of his way a little bit. So I don't know. I like that. I think for me, the most egregious sit on here and all these nine things that we talked about,

you're not going to make a Batman Beyond movie? Come on now. Layup. A layup. That's easy money. That's a billion easy. Michael Key is Michelle Pfeiffer? Like, come on, bro.

Like, what are we doing? Like, really? That can't, that can, that couldn't have actually been real. There's no way that you, you, you, use, don't do that. So I was talks to the homies about this and we thought like, hopefully cross our fingers that maybe it's not, maybe they're moving on from a Batman Beyond movie to make a Batman Beyond series. Right. No, it doesn't work. And I mean, like, but you, but, but, but, but, but, but, and then this is like, again, the brain mail for DC, but this is the brain mail for DC, D.C.

which I don't understand is how do you not take this easy W? Like this is simple. Everybody, like a Batman Yon movie would crush. Even if it's like, so, so,

even if it's like, all right, we, we'd show up the theaters and droves to see it, be like, hell yeah, man,

Batman sells. What's guaranteed money. Like, it's guaranteed cash in a, in a, with the company who needs to be flush with money.

Brough, come on now. I'm in. Batman Beyond, I'm in. I love Batman Beyond. Okay. I think it's a movie

that you can easily ruin. easily. And I also think that putting a version of Batman on the screen that's not Bruce Wayne, that it has to be tough sell. It's not a tough sell. It's just a tougher cell. You know what I mean? It's not a tough sell. It's just a tougher cell. You know, and I think that the movie would work. But

I feel like that's one of those ones that you've got to do if things are cooking. Yeah. Yeah, you do that. Like, that's an end game level. like a Civil War level type of like, okay, if we're really hot right now, now we can bring this out. I don't know, man. Look about it. I don't know what else you do, really.

Like, I guess we, I guess, yeah, man, it's still two. People want to see that. World Woman 3. Like, Batman Beyond is exciting, man. That's new. That's definitely. You don't even need Manor still too.

I keep saying this. Just do All-Star Superman. Do kingdom come. Do something, right? If you want to fuck over everything, like take Kingdom come, melded it with Flashpoint, think out of the side of the box, do something with a heroes, destroy a universe, and then you start a new one. Like, just think, do, like, do think, you know, I'm not saying that those movies would work better than a Batman, than a Batman Beyond movie, because all of these things now are, are outside of what we do.

But, like, Manor still two, just another, that's not going to work. Like that, I'm just going to be telling you right now. We got to move on. We got to bring Lois Lane back. Like, Manorne back, just like the way, just a straight sequel to, it's not going to work. That's not going to work. That's not going to work. Think about it.

We already had Doomsday in this universe and nobody gave a fuck. Well, again, you got to, again, you're just talking. Remember how he looked? Remember the movie he was in? Right? That's not, that's not doing DoomJ justice as all. I'm like, dog, what the fuck is he going? you're going to punch Doomsday

He had a lot of choices He could have run three other directions He ran toward him My big question before we get to our armchair CEO thing as we wrap up the news James Gunn has tweeted out He was essentially like hey Some of the stuff that's been reported is fake

Some of it is true Trying to do a little bit of damage control He is saying that they're working on an Interconnected Universe Do we feel like a connected DC universe can work in this climate. And what I mean by this climate is like, dog, we still got at least two years. Like, Blue Beetle still got to come out.

There's a bunch of shit that still has to come out. Do you think that we're still going to have the same appetite to be like, all right, we're starting over again or we're just going to be burnt out? Like, bro, by the time this shit starts, we're going to have like secret wars. You know what I mean? And you're going to tell me, hey, we got a new Superman film. I'm like, dog, what am I supposed to do with this? So I think that's an interesting point that you bring up.

And let me tell you why I think it's interesting because I think there's two things that needs to happen here. One by the fans and one by DC. The fans need to stop comparing DC to Marvel. And the studio needs to stop comparing DC to Marvel. James Gunn, go make a bunch of good movies. Do whatever you like. When the MCU is getting straight, sometimes the movies would be in there,

only by the tag scenes. You know what I mean? It's like some of these, like, Thor had, the original Thor had nothing to do with it. They didn't have the universe yet. They only tagged these movies together by one scene at the end. They're over thinking it. They're over thinking it.

Go out, make a bunch of big movies, leave some questions, but make good films. But these movies are trying so hard. hard that they're bad. They're like Tristan Thompson. Like they're trying so hard to look like a good guy. We know what you are. Dang.

You know what I'm saying? Like we know. We see it. So how about this? Go do the therapy. Go do the work. And then come back and just incrementally make good product or be a good individual. I'm not trying to dis that man.

You know what I'm saying? I'm my own shit. Get your basics right. Get Superman right. But also I think it's a thing of like, we forget. Like, a lot of those early MCU movies weren't like great.

Like, they were fine. Like, they were like, the first Captain America and Thor are like, all right, cool. I'll fight anybody. The first Captain America is great movie. I like that. It stinks.

I'll fight anybody. It stinks. It's fine. It's fine. It's a great. But here's a thing. Like, even the bad ones, like, even the early bad ones,

like Iron Man too. Like, they stood by that shit. They like, hey, y'all still coming. Like, you got to, like, it's fine if you make a bad movie just fucking move on we don't care just try to make as many good movies as possible stop trying to be like all of them got to be billion dollar grossers i'm like no some of them are going to be stinkers it's fucking fine there's a level of overcorrection oh absolutely john me talk your shit there's a level of overcorrection for dc and charles you you mean

basically said it but like every time there's a bad movie we got to have this whole conversation again how many times we have to archer d armchair see you about uh about about these It's been at least twice, maybe three times. Right? Every time they're like something like, ah, we got to redo the whole thing. And it's birds of prey do it work. Da-da-da-da-da.

Like, I'm just like, it's time. Birds of Prey. It's good. I like Birds of Prey. Well, I'm talking about commercially speaking. Yeah. But other prey was great. I enjoyed it.

First, pray was awesome. Can I tell you something else? You guys, I'm, I got to say this because we haven't talked about it at all. You know what's cooking right now on TV? Titans, bro. Oh, no. Stop. Titans is so good, man.

No, we're not doing this, bro. Can we get to armchair CEO? Can we get to armchair CEO? No, no, no. We can't. Because this is awesome. Have any of you guys watch Titans this year? Yes, bro.

I'm locked in every Thursday. You watch it, so you don't like Titans this year. You don't think the mother mayhem, the, like, Titans is fucking on fire, What if they do to Superboy, man? I like that shit. What's going on with him? Bro, bro.

What's going on with him, bro? His other side came out. That's scary, dog. Oh, they got the left-sloop their side coming out of him now? Charles. It's dope, bro. It's just the Lexington side, bro. It's only been one episode or two episodes where he's been this way.

Okay, chill. He got, I tell you right now, Charles, I challenge you, I challenge you, Charles, to watch this season of Titans. Ain't no way. Ain't no way, man. I promise you, Titans is dog. I don't know why Jomey tripping. Jome, I don't believe you, but.

I think Jomey likes it. He's just further than agenda. I'm not an agenda, right? I'm locked in every Thursday, right? It's not an agenda. Here's the thing, and here's a thing. Like, here's one thing. I'm going to mention that, you know,

puts the perspective of how I feel about this season. So over the, you know, three, four seasons of three to half seasons of Titans, we don't really see our guy, or Beast Boy, turning any animals. Remember this is a CGI thing or his powers. He's turned into animals before? Not on the regular, though.

Like, you're not seeing him. I like to inform the listener that Charles has left the Zoom right now. He's worried about spoilers. I get it. Sure. We rarely see Beast Boy turn him to an animal, like on screen, you know, like it doesn't really happen.

We're like, interesting. Does he have control of his powers? Okay, cool, whatever. This season of Titans. They need him to try. turned into a virus to save someone's life. And guess what? He did a lickety split. He turned into other animals this season, too.

Where, when? He turned, you haven't seen it? He turned into the, I don't want to spoil nothing, but he turned into it. Was that on accident? Remember? Because he turned into animals on accident, right? And he lost his memory. He was like, oh, man, they were like, bro, you destroyed the lab.

That-da-da-da-da. Bro, I just took a piss and came back. You still talking about Titans. Can we go to Armch Jersey. All I'm saying is. No, you're... I'm locked in, I'm with you. I'm with you.

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Just give us Teen Movies at this point. We need a Teen Titans movie. We need a Green Lantern movie. And I honestly think we need a Flash movie. Like it's just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait. Absolutely, three movies you need to see. You're going Green Lantern, Teen Titans, Flash. So you're going to do a phase one of DC.

I'm not, I'm just making sure with no Batman, no Superman, no Wonder One. No, you said the top three we need. I was, I was under the assumption that like the Superman's, the Wonder Woman's, the Batman's are going to be like, those will be made. Those will be made. And it's like, we have another. question about what their event needs to be. But I do think that like,

if we've learned anything from the MCU, I don't know if solo superhero movies are working anymore. All of these movies are team up movies at this point. You need three or four. Like, think about Wakanda forever. They had the new fucking Black Panther up there. They have fucking Namor up there. They have the fucking new Iron Man up there.

I do think there's a level of, dog, just give me a, like, just give me a Guardians of the Galaxy level. Like, hey, we're getting a, rag-tab group of people here, whether that's Green Lanterns, whether that's a couple flashes, whether that's the Teen Titans, and just be like, hey, all of these

things are going to spin off, but I do think that it's like James Gunn is very good at team-ups. And I do think that there's a level of what he did with the Suicide Squad that I think is easily something you can replicate. All right, let's move on to Jomi, Jomi. I don't know, man. I think you can, if you're going to start from scratch,

start all the way from scratch, right? just introduce, you know, everybody new to me. Again, this is the problem. If you're going to hold over Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman, then you have to, like, you know, and then reintroduce new characters who need their own solo films. Do you want origin movies for all these people again? I can't do another origin movie. I can't do another Superman, Batman origin.

I'm sorry. I don't think, well, I mean, again, if they're keeping the same Superman and Batman, Wonder Woman, you can just run those back, Wonder Woman 3, Superman 2, you know, whatever Batman movie they want. But then, you know, whatever for me, I mean, y'all know where I'm at. We're going to get this Young Justice movie. We don't, I got a tend to push. You guys are ruining, D.C. I don't think I will.

You guys are ruining D.C. Ruining? Yeah. Teen Tides is the only thing they got working over there. That shit prints money. Come on now. You guys are ruining D.C. Come on, man.

Young Justice and Teen Titans are printing money. What do you? Turn on. two network right now and I guarantee you team Titans I'm not going to speak for young justice. I'm talking about a motion picture audience. I'm not going to speak for your audience. They canceled it twice. Right.

For me and then speaking of Timot movies, like a Dark Justice League would be would be great. That's one of the best listen. One of the best animated films they've done in like the series the Duchessly Dark movies are consistently the best things that they've done. Bring back Matt Ryan, you know, get us a tonne, get us a new Boston, you know what I'm saying?

We reset, right? We can introduce that side of D.C. and keep that cooking. And then last but not least, I think I got to agree with Charles. We need Greenlander back in the fold, man. It's been too long. Ryan Reynolds is, you know, that movie's been long dead. but we need Greenlander. It doesn't work without Greenland

for me. So I'm going to, you know, it's going to be me and Charles agreement. We got to have Greenlander back. Okay. That makes sense. Steve? All right. Well, I'm taking a page out of your book, Ben. Like, starting with A number one, it's Superman.

And it literally just needs to be called all-star Superman. The, like, we all know, we don't need an origin. We don't need any of that. like we can meet Superman at a time in his life where he is preparing for something, where he is, you know, well aware of who Luthor is, with all of the problems that come with that and kind of give a sort of like onboarding to Lois.

Like it, let's let's just start like make that a three part series for All Star Superman. That's a number one for me. Second one, while I'm not going to repeat the Green Lantern agenda while I still do agree with that I think my wild card pick that I need to have. And like the one thing that I didn't see from the cancellation list of that, Constantine. I love Constantine. I love Constantine.

If we keep Keanu Reeves, if we keep Keanu Reeves coming back, that would be amazing. But we got to get, we got to get the trench coat. We got to get all that dark magic coming back. Whoa, whoa. Keanu Reeves over Matt Ryan?

Matt Ryan is Constantine. Here's the thing, though. He doesn't need to always be that. James Bond has been multiple people. Superman has been multiple people. Giacokey. Gionner Reeves is fucking box office, my guy. Okay, cool.

If you want to make that shit happen, ring, ring, ring, ring. Hey, Matt Ryan, Steve told me to tell you that you out of a job. Hey, uh, sorry. That you've been playing for 15 years. It's going to be a conference call. Your residuals from all of the other shit you've been in are still clearing. So don't worry.

you're going to be taken care of. Click. That's nuts. That's nuts. That's so disrespectful. Keanu Reeves will get asses and seats, making sure that it's like a sort of like, it's a totally different take on the character.

Totally different take on Constantine. You really weren't. I don't want to be. Concentine. Give them a bigger character, bro. Bigger. Yeah. Like, I think people could be on board with that shit.

Like that's, that, that's so, so. Box office. Such a lay. The original. The original. But not now. Not now. Have some respect.

Vennert. What's your three movies? My three movies, okay, so I would do a couple of different movies, obviously, but I would start with Batman. But I would do a different take on Batman here. Because if this is really about universe building, then you build a universe from the ground up. The problem with Superman is like, that's a top-down way of looking at it.

Superman comes from the sky. Batman comes from the earth. So if I'm building the universe, I build the actual reality of that universe grounded in the character that has to live in it. But I do a Batman that is in the middle of this crime fighting career. And I do a Batman that's a little bit more comic bookie than some of the Batman's that we've seen. Because if you're doing a shared universe to me, the Matt Reeves Batman won't work. Right, that's a guy who is the sole crime fighter in his universe, and he doesn't have to share the spotlight with anyone.

You do a movie that's centered on Bruce Wayne, but not sit on Bruce Wayne as a brooding sort of, it's closer to Bethleh, but to me it's about a guy who sees an edict to protect the world as much as Gotham, right? Kind of like Bafflin. Into the Keaton in there. Okay, so then my question is if you're doing this movie,

we're doing this in our universe. So, do you have any fear that going with a Batman solo movie first is going to undercut the Matt Reeves Batman that's already working? Like, how do you make sure

he doesn't get pissed off? Yeah. How do you make sure Matt Reeves doesn't get pissed off? Yeah, because the Batman, whatever you want to say about that movie, it made money.

You know what I'm saying? No, I mean, well, I mean, I don't really care if he's going to be pissed off, right? If his movie is not going to be involved in our universe building, then his movie has to be something separate. Or maybe you don't give Matt Reed's a trilogy

and you don't make your Batman movie until that's finished. You know what I mean? Maybe your Batman movie doesn't come for another six years. But then we have the Nolan problem all over again, where it's just like we have to basically wait, you know, almost a for a balancing act for like people

to like get used to a new Batman for the next good start. Well, I mean, well, well, well, here's the deal though. This is one of me.

If Matt Reeves' Batman doesn't want to be, because for my universe, I need the Joker. Okay. I need, I need the Joker. I need the entire

infrastructure of Gotham, of Gotham, right? If he wants to be a part of that, it doesn't seem like they want to be a part of it. Yeah. It doesn't seem like he wants, it seems like he wants

his own universe. But the, DC is not going to work without Batman, period. I think Batman is the Tony Stark of the universe. I think in Batman's experience in his purview, and he's kind of always been, I think in Batman's experience, in Batman's sort of purview, you have to do that.

So I go with Batman. What I don't give you is a Superman movie in my first three movies. Interesting. I give you Batman. Mm-hmm. I give you, you guys aren't going to like this. I give you Mr. Terrific.

Ooh. Okay. Directed by Van Lathan. Written and directed by Van Lathan. I'm going to give you Batman. I'm going to give you Mr. Terrific. Okay. Uh-huh.

And then for the third movie, I might go with something wild and crazy. Batman, Mr. Terrific. I start an alliance between them because I'm gonna bring these motherfucking I'm gonna have cringe y'all going crazy DC ain't had their black anthem moment yet.

Stop. You know what you green light of Nixon movie next? Fuck that. Like DC ain't had a crissaw moment yet. And if you still have Galgado, though, maybe you do, maybe you bring Wonder Woman back. But if you do a Wonder Woman movie, it's a

heavy team up movie. It's a heavy, heavy team of movie. But I would definitely put a Mr. Terrific movie in my first three because there are almost no expectations for it

and if done correctly you can turn out a lot of box office. And there's another character that I feel like it's central to tying all these universes

together. And they kind of do it but then they really don't. And that's Amanda Waller. Hmm. Like she got to retire. No. I don't.

I know actually. No. That's a good through line that we can keep. Yeah. She does it. Like, that's Amanda Waller. That's great. They try to do it, but then they don't do it.

I think you need a little bit more of that character because the contradiction of the world trying to come to terms with superheroes is kind of caught up in Amanda Waller. Yeah. I just think you either need to be doing more than just showing up on FaceTime. You just either need to recast everyone or recast no one. Because, like, I can't have, like, Gout Godobie and my Wonder Woman. but then we got to do like,

nah, we either get, in my universe, I never liked it. We're recasting to everybody. I'm just like, there's a new Superman, new Batman.

Oh, I'm bringing here, a cabal back. I'm bringing a cabal back. No, I'm recasting everybody. Wait, so then, like, let's go to the next question.

End of, like, let's say we're end of phase three, end of phase four. What's our Infinity War? What's our end game type event? You could do crisis on infinite earth. You could do Kingdom Come. You could do Black's Night.

What we're going with? This is what we do. Right. This is next level, y'all. Black's Night would be hard. So let's say... Very hard. That you gotta have everybody on board for that.

You gotta, that's like Secret Wars type stuff. You got to... So let's say we recast everybody. Let's say we cast everyone for this part of the D.C., right? We do injustice. Jesus Christ. Whoa, no, that's impossible. Starting off with injustice?

No, if this is our end game type thing, right? Okay. Right? You do injustice. You bring, like all our heroes are the, this is from the first game, right? So all our heroes are from the universe where it hasn't happened. Right. And all our, yeah, Earth One or whatever.

And all the old heroes, Henry Cavils, the Galcados, Ben Afflix are the ones where Superman took control and went crazy. Right. Oh, that works. And that's, and that's the movie. That's the two-part. So, so you mean. So you're telling me that that's kind of what Zach was doing. Right?

No? It didn't really work. It didn't really work. It didn't really work. But no, that, that works. Because, like, in that, in that universe, I mean, that would be a way to get rid of a lot of them. You know what I mean? That would be a way to get.

Yeah, if you would just want a clean slate. That's what I thought Walter Hamada was trying to do with Crisis on Infinite Earth was the, like, essentially, and what it seems like they almost are trying to do with the flash, which is just like, okay. blow it up we are like this is it we're sending everybody off they get one more movie

so damn I think you gotta work that is that is that is what Zach was doing right because he had the Superman core he had the like

he was it seemed like he was getting at that that Lois Lane was I think they should I think that's a good idea if they kept doing that and went there you know what

to be honest with you you could start your new universe with injustice well yeah you could You could start. I think it would be like a civil war.

It would be like a civil war comp to me. I feel like you have to build up to it. I don't know. Not really because we know the, we all, I think as fans, we know the relationship between these characters. All you got to do is spend like 20 minutes going through like, oh, this is just league, we're all cool. Da-da-da-da.

Oh no, Joker has a bomb or something, da-da, and then boom. You know, we need to do that. Let me tell you don't need to do that. The reason why you don't need to do that, I want you to think about that. this. I posit something to the Midnight Boys. I posit starting it with injustice. And let me tell you why. Scarecrow you have a basis

for because of Nolan's movies. The average DC fan, they know Scarecrow. Batman, the failed Justice League movie, all of that stuff, these are characters that they would be familiar with. Right? Yeah. Watching Superman go crazy has already been hinted at.

grab, then you could grab Superman out of another universe, right? Still as Henry Cavill and turn the reins over from Henry Cavill to Henry Cavill. It's a nice Henry Cavill to like, bro, we do with some... You film this right now. There's some storywriting calculation. No, I said, no. Joe, that's on to something. I think, I think you could, I think you could start the universe with injustice.

And by the way, these are all characters that. people have kind of seen in these movies. So you don't have to do any real I mean, once you get to fucking Sinestro and all of that stuff, but you can write around that, you know what I mean? In terms of, they haven't seen Sinestro.

I guess they did kind of see Senestro. They did see Senestro in Greenlander. Yeah, in Greenlanders. I actually, I think Jomey's on to something. I think if he, I'm serious. If they started, I know he was saying that's in, I think they could start their new universe

with injustice. Think about it. We're like, man. Even bring back Jared Letto, Jared Lito, Jared Lennel. We're not, who be your Joker. Fucking stop,

I don't know. Love it. He fucking dies the fucking 20 minutes into the movie. Right. Then great. You can be like,

I don't know, man. Minute five he dies. We're done with Shazam. Boom. I just got to jam off the board for you right there. Boo-ya. Right.

It's right there. I think, you know, that's totally clean house. You could do two injustices. You could do a first injustice and you can come back and do a second injustice. Could the second one be Kingdom Come when they're all aged up? You just like, oh, they've been fighting this war for so long.

I love Kingdom Come, but it's going to take, you need a, Kingdom Come, you need a whole. Kingdom Come would be, that would have to be the first end game situation because you need a whole. They got to be old. You need 20, you need 15 years. Like, they need to be like, when Downy was in the end game, you're like, oh, he's like. That nigga, old. Yeah, you could tell. You're like, yeah, you've been Iron Man for a minute, bro.

You've been around a block. Yeah, I love you 3,000. But take your eye. You know what I'm saying? You're like, you. I love how we settled on something or we, or they would never do this, by the. No. This is a trillion-dollar movie.

This is like that. They're never going to do, they're never going to do a movie where Superman plunges his hand through the Joker. That will never happen. No. So, like. You don't think so? We all saw suicides.

No. They, that's with them characters. They're never going to do a movie where Superman thrust his hand through the joke. They got too many T-shirts and toys to sell. They're like, not right. No,

we can't have that. You can sell evil Superman to us. As long as, I mean, if there's a good Superman at the end and he's like, you know, God, freedom, the American way or whatever,

go eat your corn. Remember to, you know, buy a gas. You know, was, you know, American Kansas. You know, Like real farm boy. So we've been talking, before we wrap up on the seat armchair CEO, we've been talking about like if this was an interconnected universe.

Is there a world where it's like, we don't do that? Is there a world where you're just like, aesthetic connecting that shit? You're like, dog, yada, yada, yada, yada. If y'all want a kingdom come movie, we're not building up to that shit. We're just doing kingdom come one, two, three. We're doing injustice one, two, three. Like, sometimes I think like the interconnected universe of it all fucks everything up where I'm like, I agree with all this.

I agree with you. But I also think you don't have to do, it's not interconnected universe or solo standalone movies. It's interconnected universe and solo standalone movies because the solo standalone movies, you don't have to telegraph it's so hardcore. When we first went into Iron Man, we didn't know what was coming. Yeah. They gave you a little thing that, hey, here's Shield. This is a big organization. You give you a little, you don't have to go in there, you know,

and do that stupid shit with the picture and the email attachment and all of that stuff that they did. That's the wrong way to do. Or even think about No Way Home. I'm like, No Way Home is a perfect example of just like, nobody was making like the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man's be like, hey, yo, one day, this shit going to be a multiversal thing. It's like, no, you have a good idea. And you're like, all right, we could do this.

part of the planning, I'm just like, just cook, make some movies, the good ones stay, the bad ones we forget about, it'll be fine. We don't have to, I just don't want to spend 20 years working up to one of these films. It seems like too much time. Like, we don't got that patience. I also think that there's room for some other characters here. And let me tell you what I mean. Okay. I think there's room for cool, quirky characters like Plastic Man.

Yeah. I think there's room for Dr. Fait. I think there's room for Adam Strange. I think there's room for characters, okay? That D.C. was trying to go and do the new gods and all that. All that stuff is cool. But I think there's some really, there's some untapped, unmind characters that are really fun, that are really cool to read and look at, that I've always liked,

that D.C. has explored in other material that they could bring. here. Let's go around. If you, if James Gunn calls you tomorrow and he's like, all right, y'all get one character. And this can't be like a big seven like Justice League character. This is like lesser known character who was everybody picking. Jomey. Man, off the, off the dome, I'm going to go with.

Ha ha! I'm going to go impulse. I don't know, man. I don't know. I like impulse, bro. I like impulse, man. I think, like, you know, it's, it wouldn't be a guy that wouldn't be a flash thing. But, you know, with him and, you know, coming from the future, I think there's a lot of fun to be had there.

And I love the character. He's just like a little rambunctious little guy. So I think that can be fun for me. I mean, at least for me, I'd have a lot of fun with that character. What about you, Steve? Zatana. Mm. I like him.

Zee's good. He's good. She's great. I think that's some fucking fun that you could have with that. Yeah. Wow. And the crowd goes mild.

Okay. Okay. No, no. I'm into that. I mean, nobody's going to fuck with mine because I would do booster gold. Wait,

what's how to do? I like booster gold. Who's saying? I like it to a nice back-to-the-future type story with booster gold. I like booster gold. I would do booster gold. I've always fucked with booster gold.

That's a dope-ass name to me. Booster gold is a good match. It's not bad. Shut up, you know what I mean? The old school fit is hilarious. The old school fit is hilarious. Doing that and doing that live action,

like seeing that fit in live action would be great. Right. All right. Charles, what about you? Damn. He's not a small character, but I don't know why they've never done one before.

You know, just give me like, give me a Tom Holland S. Robin movie. It's easy, bro. Like, make it bright,

make it cheerful. I don't get, like, let Robin get into some hijinks, bro. Like, we don't always got to be brooding and shit. I think there are enough quirky character.

Like one of the stranger things, kids run around Gotham. Like, around 40 years old now. Like, they're too old. Oh, they really? Well, the stranger things, kids. They're going to de-age those kids. They'd be Batman Beyond.

They play like old Bruce. This thing is old as fuck. Kids was interesting. You know, Steve, you mentioned Zatana and Charles. You mentioned Robin. And my first impulse was impulse, right? Bart Allen, hey, listen, all through those characters, and Young Justice, baby, we're making a Young Justice movie.

Oh, right. Let's go. Okay, so which one of these movies, seriously, two more questions. Which one of these movies should James Gunn write and direct? That's a great question that Steve has down here. James Gunn has to do one of these. Which character would you like to see? And James Gunn, he's going to have to probably,

because he likes working with the suicide squad. We haven't even talked about. Ensemble team up things. We know that peacemaker's going to be a big part of the first big movie they might do. It might be the big peacemaker solo movie. They might start. They might use peacemaker to ground the whole thing. They really might.

I'm serious. I mean, I think honestly James Gunn has done it. I don't want him to repeat himself, but I do think there's a level of they have to get the tone of the DCU right. And the thing that they actually never did that I think James Gunn helped them with a lot is like, James Gunn making us believe in a talking raccoon and group like paid dividends because once they all came together, you're like, oh, anything is possible.

I'm used to like the out-of-the-world things. I think it needs to be a space movie. I think we need to see the wild, cookie characters. I think we need to see like fucking chip from like the Green Lanterns. I think Green Lantern would actually be a good movie in terms of him being able to show us that the DC universe can be fun. can be weird. It's just not fucking Batman brooding in a corner

for two hours. That was my first thought too was taking the space. It's not a, I mean Greenlander movie. Probably be like an O-Wan movie, right? Like, give me, how Jordan, give me Jessica Cruz. You know what I'm saying? Give me Jonathan Stewart.

Give me Guy Gardner. Oh, you want a core movie. I want a Greenlander core movie. I think you just got a core of it would be good. But they were doing it. or as a movie or a show and no it was a TV show they you can't do it as a TV show

that shit got to be a movie like think about it you could do blackest night like James Gunn's blackest night would be dope yeah give us the whole Ken Caboodle with the Greenland and core and I think that's where James Gunn would shine and we're talking about like really bringing his essence to

the new DC EU all right last question what what are the canceled projects that you guys would love to have back a Batman Beyond easily stop. Batman Beyond. Michael Keaton as old Batman,

like, just bring it back. It's a layout. Wait, really quickly, I know what I want? What do you want? I want my Batflex solo movie, man.

Oh! One of us! Wait, first Destro? One of us. I want my Bathelech solo. I want my Bathelech solo movie. I want my Batflex. I'm too old for this shit

versus 6'5 Deathstroke, who's black now. I don't know if you guys saw, but Joe is black. He found it when he was on Hillary Lewis Skates his show. Oh, really? Yeah, he's black. He's got black.

He's got out of here. Go look that shit up. On finding your roots? That's great. He went on finding your roots. And he found out that he's black. Is he black like I'm Native American? Like how much, like how much is the percentage?

Is it over, is it over 10%? I'm not sure if it's over 10%. But I know it's enough. for him to come to the Martin Luther King Jr. Parade. And the reality is now he can get Gotham. And that can bring a whole new dimension to it. Because we've never really seen black Gotham like we should. You know, we don't know the rappers.

That's from Gotham. We don't know. Think about it. Think about Gotham is so crime-ridden. They got drill music. We never thought about- Dill legends coming out of Gotham. They got drill legends out of Gotham.

Think about that. Wouldn't it be funny if it was a rap group or a rap video with all of these kids with sticks and they point in the sticks at the camera and all of a sudden

I don't know where shooting that Robin and Nightwing like what the fuck like Chief Keefe and Batman just swinging

to that bitch the fuck y'all doing kicking guns out of people's hands snapping their motherfucking shit kicking them in the collarbone

what the fuck are y'all doing it's not not that's interesting right I think black people that would be the first scene of my bafflet movie by the way

is a drill music video That was a true music video. They're all drooling. And then Batman just flies down. Nah, no, no. And just kicks the shit. Black, black, black kids, especially.

They love Batman. So they wouldn't be out here. They'd be like, hey, yo, it's, hey, man, it's getting dark outside. Batman's going to be out here, bro. We got to go, dog. I ain't trying to get caught up with no Batman nonsense, dog. That's our guy. That's probably true.

Or maybe Batman, maybe Batman doesn't beat them up. Maybe because that's kind of problematic, not a, about it. Maybe Batman knows that it's problematic, so he doesn't do it. And he doesn't do it. He talks to them. And then all of a sudden, Batman is just in their video. But they put the guns away, right?

He's like, oh, this is the first scene. Oh, my God. They're shooting a drill music video, right? They got guns everywhere. Batman flies in and he goes, put these guns away. And they go, well, we have to make somebody do something to watch our video. We have to stand out. We're doing this to make money.

and Batman goes, I'll help him watch your video. And then he gets in the video, but they have to take the guns out. You know, let's write this. So he's like flashing the batarangs and shit. This is cool, too, because they all got shyces on. And he's like, you're protecting your face. Smart.

Smart. And the first scene is Batman, but they're rapping about like sort of positive stuff. You know what I mean? Taking care of their community. And there's Batman. Supporting the orphanage. And then at the end of the movie, since the video's going to viral, since Batman's in it,

Bruce Wayne's like, hey, man, I got a company, they're going to sign you to a record deal, baby. We're going to get y'all out. You got Bruce Wayne got Rock Nation? Oh, you got Wayne Nation? Bat Nation. Wayne Money Records. They got the same thing, imprint on Wayne Money Records. Nah, bro.

Come on. That's the first thing. That's perfect. Bro, that scene will go so hard. That's so terrible. That scene will go so hard, negotiation. Swear to me.

You know, and then he's like, hey, Batman, I need help. But that's how the movie starts. That's how my Blackburn movie starts. Because Batman never goes to the hood, bro. Batman's just a record executive. No, Batman's going to be like, you didn't recoup your advance.

Get out of here. Own your masters. Batman, like, Batman got, he brings them all in the loose, Fox Foxx, it's like, you know, what the fuck? I'm making a studio, Lucius.

Lususis. Fire. Give me the... Sarmie! I don't know what to say. Lucius, hey, man, we need to get a Metro booming. He's available.

You know? Think about the cameos. Think about the cameos, bro. Got Metro and that bitch. Take Keith. Cannon. So that's our Batman movies. Batman is involved with

Gotham drill rap. You know it's drill rap in Gotham. It's Chicago! Like, it's like, they haven't done nothing. Come on, man. Batman and Harold's chicken. Come on, man. I guess this was sort of a podcast.

It's good. Right podcast. That's a wrap. Follow us on socials, instant, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, save, Joe's Shop. This Friday been Lindbergh and friends. We'll be giving you their thoughts on the best 10 video games of the year. I've only played Madden all year and Gardens of the Gallery.

so I wouldn't know. It's good. I haven't played midnight suns yet. Is it good? Nah, you can skip it. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

You can watch the cut seas online probably. It's probably interesting and fun. Monday house midnight returns with Mal and Van and Charles. I would say Charles and Mal and Van to give their thoughts on Avatar, way of water. It's going to be a whole family affair right there. I have to see it this weekend. Haven't seen it yet.

The boys have seen it. There's been something that you. Next Wednesday, the long-awaited M-squared podcast is coming to you, the Midnight Mulligans. This is where Jomey is going to change every opinion that he has. That's not true. It's one in particular. Yeah. Credits.

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They need to fix it faster. Sign to Bad Nation. We let you own your masters. I make a guarantee right now. By the time this movie comes out, I will be thin. There we go. We will go see. this movie and I will be spelt.

My tities will be down the size. Maybe there we go. Okay. Oh. You know, love that for you. This is June. What's the plan? What's the plan?

What are you doing? More cardio? My God. Oh, Charles. Oh, Charles. This is what they do. I, like, let me tell you something. I go to the gym and I push it.

I push it. I push it. I'm so sorry. I push it. I bet you, and then after I'm regret it asking this. I get, well, you guys don't want to know

about what I'm doing for my. health. I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening to tell. We're here. We're here. Push. I push. I push. I got. You know, anyway, push it to the, yeah, I remember that joint. No, but I'm, I'll lift heavy weights. Heavy weights. I've been scoing nuts, right? But then after that, I do a 45-minute cardio circuit. There you go. So we're pushing it. And so as long as I can stay away from cake and ice cream, I'll be good. Yeah, that's the, that's the thing. Abs are made in the kitchen. They're not made in the gym. Cake it. Cake and ice cream. And, Ice cream is the, I would have thought it would have been like the lobster pizza.

You know what I'm saying? That's one of your weaknesses. My weakness is everything. I'm not like the rest of these guys who are like, oh, I'm only fat for clam chowder. I'm fat for it. Clam chowder. Clam chowder is. Being fat for clam chowder's nuts.

Like, I'm fat for all of it. Svary. It's disgusting. I've never even eaten it before. I can't bring myself to eat clam chowder. It doesn't look appealing to me. It doesn't look appealing to me. It does.

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